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September 11, 2015

What is the slogan of the Jews? Revenge, Revenge, Revenge

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, movies — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 11:06 am

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You can read about the Jewish slogan of Revenge for the Holocaust at http://www.reformjudaism.org/how-should-we-jews-treat-issue-revenge

I thought about this today when I read about yet another film about Jewish revenge: http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywood/article/plummer_plays_auschwitz_survivor_in_venice_film_remember

This quote is from the news story:

Christopher Plummer plays an Auschwitz survivor searching for a former camp guard in a film that explores the themes of memory and undying anger.

In Canadian director Atom Egoyan’s “Remember”, competing for the top prize at the Venice Film Festival, Plummer, 85, plays Zev, a dementia-stricken resident of a Jewish home for the aged in New York.

At the behest of wheelchair-bound resident Max (Martin Landau), and as a promise to his dead wife Ruth, Zev sneaks out one night on a quest to find the concentration camp guard — and to kill him with a Glock pistol.

“It’s the last time we can tell this story in the present tense. In 10 years it would have to be a period piece,” Egoyan told Reuters in an interview, referring to the advanced age of the remaining Holocaust survivors.

“It’s very important to understand that even though we all would love to live with the cliche that time heals wounds, and that there is the possibility of rapprochement, there are a lot of people who live with rage.

“There are a lot of people who are still as angry as though it was yesterday.”

Plummer, whose most famous role was as Captain von Trapp in “The Sound of Music” (1965), was not in Venice for the premiere but told a news conference by video link that he’d been intrigued by the character of Zev, whose memory fades in and out.

In order to carry out his mission, Zev reads instructions in a letter given him by Max, who by telephone arranges everything from limousines to hotel rooms in the quest across America and in Canada to identify one of four people, all living under the same name, as the actual camp guard.

“It was not easy, let me tell you, because I’d never done anything like this in my life before. Although I’ve played a lot of different people, they’ve all had great confidence and great authority and some (were) even royal,” Plummer said.

“So…I was dying to play an ordinary man, a simple, intelligent and educated man but who was very introverted, to say the least, and it was something very foreign to me but I was dying to accept the challenge.”

German actor Heinz Lieven, who plays one of the four men Zev has been tasked by Max to track down, said it was important that the film was made, to help keep the memory of the Holocaust alive and to educate younger generations.

“When Hitler came to power I was four years old and when he was at his end (I was) 17…which means I know these times, the incredible murdering,” Lieven said.

“Younger people have to learn, have to know it,” he said.

The film won mixed reviews in the trade press, with Variety praising Plummer’s performance but describing it as a “state-hopping Nazi-hunt mystery that puts a creditably sincere spin on material that is silly at best.”

The Holocaust is a never ending story, as Jewish revenge for the Holocaust is never ending.  You don’t hear the Germans endlessly complaining about the way that German cities were bombed during World War II.

You can read about the bombing of German cities at http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Germany_during_World_War_II

12 Comments »

  1. You blame Jews for desire of revenge. But for centuries we had been, and still are, victims of “revenge” for sinns of others. Jesus Christ had been sentenced and murdered by Roman Prefect Pilate and we are blamed and hated, defamed and persecuted. Churches stay on the site of tyranns who oppress people and we are blamed for all the evil happening. Congress blocks proposals to fasten controlls on banks, stock markets or investment funds and at the end we are blamed and defamed. And I could go on.
    You hardly can blame us for desire of revenge as we suffered because of the many very pious revenges. Best.

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 12, 2015 @ 11:17 pm

  2. A good fiction, Actually there had been much more survivors in the “normal” Concentration Camps for aryan inmates as in the Death Camps for Jews. An aryan survivor had much more skill and force to take revenge on his torturers as a jewish one. And what is revenge? To bring a former torturer in Court of Justice? Remember that John Demjanuk had been acquitted in Israel High Court but sentenced in Germany. The deicide accusation had been for centuries and centuries a very good pretext for revenge on Jews leading to many atrocities and murders. So You are hardly entitled to blame us for revenge. Clear? Best.

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 11, 2015 @ 11:43 am

    • Dachau was a “normal Concentration Camp for aryan inmates”

      I wrote a blog post about a Jew who took revenge on the SS soldiers who had been sent to Dachau to keep order during the surrender of the Dachau camp. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/holocaust-survivor-admits-to-killing-nazis-at-dachau/

      In other words, the Jews took revenge everywhere. They killed Germans everywhere as soon as they were released from the camps. Dachau was not a camp for the extermination of the Jews.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 11, 2015 @ 11:58 am

      • Only Jewish inmates took revenge? There had been much more Aryan inmates who too had many reasons to take revenge and were better in force as their jewish fellows. Then the SS men had been sent really to keep order or, more likely, to liquidate many political inmates before surrender? In USA You do not really know things of those times of darkness in Europe; especially how deep had been the effect on SS men, normal soldiers and many civilians of the Nazi hatred ideology. In the book DER SS STAAT by Kogon there is very interesting chapter about the psichology of Concentration Camp inmates; deserves to be studied.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 12, 2015 @ 1:02 am

    • This blog post has set a record for the most hits on my blog: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/91-year-old-wwii-veteran-breaks-his-silence-about-the-dachau-massacre/

      It is about the killing of the SS soldiers at Dachau.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 11, 2015 @ 12:02 pm

      • In the post quoted You say that the shooting of SS men had been done by USA Army and not by the inmates. So wath a Jewish revenge are You talking about?.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 12, 2015 @ 5:53 am

        • The American soldiers gave guns to the Jewish inmates of Dachau and allowed them to shoot the SS men who had been brought to the Dachau camp to keep order while the camp was surrendered to the Americans. I wrote about this on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/SoldiersKilled2.html

          Comment by furtherglory — September 12, 2015 @ 8:17 am

          • This antisemite unworthy tale does not consider how weak inmates – specially jewish ones – had been at moment of Liberation after years long prisony in Camps.

            Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 12, 2015 @ 9:04 am

            • Dachau was not a camp for Jews. The Jews were in the SUB-CAMPS of Dachau, not at the main camp. In the last weeks before the liberation of Dachau, the Jews were brought from the sub-camps to the main camp of Dachau.

              Prior to being brought to the sub-camps of Dachau, these Jews had been prisoners at Auschwitz-Birkenau. They proceeded to tell the American liberators stories of Auschwitz, which they claimed had happened at Dachau. They were given guns and allowed to kill the SS soldiers who had been brought to the camp to keep order.

              Comment by furtherglory — September 12, 2015 @ 9:17 am

              • The tale of soldiers handing out guns to camp inmates clearly too weak to bear them is in no way reliable. Could USA Army interviewers tell apart Auschwitz from Dachau and how did they understand the inmates caming from many countries and speaking many languages? Questioning of persons in the conditions camp inmates had been at the moment of Liberation leads to heavy misunderstandings a historian had to evaluate. Clear?.

                Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 12, 2015 @ 10:32 am

              • clearly too weak to bear them

                This is one of your more ridiculous contributions here Wolf — IMO you are, at times, extremely dishonest.

                If you do a simple internet search for images of the ‘Dachau liberation’, there are many, many inmates who appear more than capable of holding and using a gun.

                Here is a link to one particular foto — the caption says: Newly liberated prisoners jeer a prostrate German prison guard. Moments after this US Army photo was taken, the guard was beaten to death. In the background are the bodies of other German prisoners (sic) who have just been machine-gunned by American GIs.

                Of course German guards and camp personnel, who were now “prisoners” of the Americans. And the guard was beaten to death by former inmates, whom the Americans allowed to have weapons, and to use them.

                Serious crimes were committed by both former prisoners — many, many of whom were able-bodied (despite your absurd claims) — and Americans at the time Dachau was liberated — for that the American officers who were present are mostly to blame.

                Comment by eah — September 12, 2015 @ 11:19 am

                • To FURTHERGLORY and EAH! I looked for the article of that grandson but page could not be found. At any rate the credibility of this version of events is no way higher than that of the various lessons or speeches delivered by aged Holocaust survivors or descendants of survivors critically reviewed on this site. Who for years or even only for months stood in a Concentration or Death Camp feels need of revenge to take on his torturers. I wonder who and why sent aditional SS men to Dachau and what were they supposed to do as a Nazi SS High Commander surely had not been interested to keep order at the moment of surrender. Maybe these SS men had been ordered to prevent the surrender decided by the acting Camp Commander. In those days there had been many SS Officiers who refused to obey Himmler – already removed by Hitker ! – and his order of surrender the camps. A critical study of facts is necessary.

                  Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 12, 2015 @ 11:03 pm


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