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September 19, 2015

An oldie but goody: the Auschwitz II death camp

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 8:10 am
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The “gate of death” at Auschwitz-Birkenau

I am putting up a quote from an old blog post that I wrote over two years ago:

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/prize-winning-essay-written-by-an-israeli-visitor-to-auschwitz-auschwitzland-fun-for-the-whole-family/

The following quote is from the blog post, cited above.

Begin quote:

To get back to the essay, I was surprised to read this:

“We had driven by the tall guard towers, and seen the train tracks leading into the camp. These tracks exemplified the Nazis’ manipulation and duplicity. They were designed to look like they continued into the distance, to make sure the passengers on the train weren’t aware that this was their final destination; just one of the ways the prisoners were kept in control.”

End quote

The Nazis just can’t catch a break. Everything they did affronted the Jews — even the fact, that they extended the train tracks from the Auschwitz station into the Birkenau camp in 1944, offends the Jewish tourists now.

Before the tracks were extended inside the Birkenau camp, the Jews got off the trains at the Judenrampe, near the Auschwitz train station. The Judenrampe was about a mile and a half from the camp and the prisoners had to walk to the gas chambers before the tracks were extended into the camp.

The train tracks where the Jews got off the trains before the tracks were extended inside the camp

The train tracks where the Jews got off the trains before the tracks were extended inside the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp

Train tracks were extended inside the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp

Train tracks that were extended inside the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp

The photo above illustrates what the Israeli essayist said about the train tracks, which I am quoting again:

“These tracks exemplified the Nazis’ manipulation and duplicity. They were designed to look like they continued into the distance, to make sure the passengers on the train weren’t aware that this was their final destination; just one of the ways the prisoners were kept in control.”

In other words, anything and everything that ever happened in their world affronted the Jews.

98 Comments »

  1. How could the Jews even see the train tracks. I’ve seen pics of the rail cars they were bought in on. I don’t see how they could’ve seen anything from inside the cars.

    Comment by Tim — September 19, 2015 @ 9:04 pm

    • They saw the tracks when they got out of the train cars. Also, there were cracks between the wooden boards of the train cars. The train cars were not air tight, which would have suffocated the prisoners. These were cattle cars, and the cattle needed air.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 20, 2015 @ 3:10 am

  2. Well, Jewish angst is understandable. After all, the NAZIs did murder six million of them during the war. This included the elderly, women and children. Such brave ideological warriors, the SS, how courageous to murder vicious Jewish women, children and elderly.

    Comment by HCW — September 19, 2015 @ 1:10 pm

    • Yep 6 million here we go with the old 6 million. There was only four million Jews in Nazi control and of course at the end of the war we have close to 4 million jews collecting reparations so who died?

      Comment by jrizoli — September 19, 2015 @ 1:21 pm

      • Wrong again.
        In fact there were approximately 8 million Jews under Nazi control at any given time from the start to the end of the war. This number fluctuated as Germany gained and lost territory during the war. This included Jews under their allies control, like Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Italy, etc. This also included countries under direct German control like Poland, France, Yugoslavia, etc. German numbers given at the Wannsee Conference stated there were approximately 11-12 million Jews in Europe.

        Comment by HCW — September 19, 2015 @ 1:38 pm

        • You can continue to believe your fairy tales…..Kurt. Gerstein said there were 40 million killed LOL I guess if he said it it must of been true. Hoess said 3 miliion in Auschwitz alone…..ya right! Gee wiz where could they all be buried? I’m sure 3 million bodies must of left some sort of a trace. So how do you account for the 4 million collecting reparations? I guess that would cause a problem for you. There goes your 6 million ghosts. Don’t here anyone saying only 4 million died except those that know the truth.
          Bottom line…..350,000 deaths for all the the camps…..half might of been Jews.

          Comment by Jim Rizoli — September 19, 2015 @ 5:21 pm

          • The Germans did try and bury the bodies however they ran into environmental problems (not only at Birkenau but at the Operation Reinhardt Camps), as the bodies decomposed they swelled, bursting out of the ground. Water supplies also became rancid as fluids from the corpses leaked into the ground water. As a result they turned to burning corpses. Ash is non-toxic and is easy to get rid of.
            The original reparations agreement between Germany and Israel covered the settlement of 500,000 European Jews in Isreal, not 4,000,000. This was based on the number of survivors, not those murdered. There were additional reparations paid in 1988 and 1999 with all reparations paid out before 2006.
            I have two sources for this:
            http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/reparations.html
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany
            Nowhere on either source does it mention 4,000,000.
            The U.S. government paid reparations to both native Americans and the Japanese interned during World War Two, would you like to whine about these reparations as well?
            So, to summarize, you are wrong. Again.

            Comment by HCW — September 19, 2015 @ 5:58 pm

            • Still looking for the homicidal gas chamber that uses bug spray to kill people.

              Comment by jrizoli — September 19, 2015 @ 7:41 pm

              • I’m still looking for you to figure out that Zyclon B is not bug spray.

                Comment by HCW — September 19, 2015 @ 9:42 pm

        • “In fact there were approximately 8 million Jews under Nazi control at any given time from the start to the end of the war. ”

          According to Zionist mogul Stephen Wise, there were 4 million Jews (2 million dead and 2 million doomed to death unless sent to Palestine in the minute) in November 1942, when he told the world about Hitler’s “race extinction order” for the first time. I didn’t know that Germany had gained so many additional territories (and Jewish populations) between that time and her severe defeat at Stalingrad (the beginning of the end…) 2 months later. Or perhaps Wise was wrong in his numbers. But in that case, who can we trust concerning Jewish statistics if not the President of the World Jewish Congress?😉

          “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.”

          Comment by hermie — September 19, 2015 @ 8:23 pm

          • http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/killedtable.html
            The above is a list of both populations and the dead.
            The following will happen between November 1942 and December 1944:
            November 1942-In response to “Torch” the Germans would occupy the rest of France
            1943-The Germans occupy Italy in response to Mussolini’s downfall and his successor’s attempt to pull out of the war
            1944-The Germans occupy Hungary after they discover Horthy’s attempts to negotiate a withdrawal of Hungary from the war
            So, while the Germans were losing territory in the east they correspondingly occupied former allies territory.
            So, yes, the Germans did gain additional territories both during and after the Battle of Stalingrad (or, as I like to call it, Hitler’s Finest Hour).

            Comment by HCW — September 19, 2015 @ 9:39 pm

            • As Stephen Wise talked about “Nazi-ruled Europe”, “Nazi-occupied Europe” and “Hitler-ruled Europe” in his ground-breaking address of November 1942, I doubt that he didn’t include the Jewries of the other Axis countries (Hungary and Italy) and of the collaborationist countries (Vichy France) in his count. Every area not under the heel of a Jew-ruled democracy or another or of a Communist regime was labeled “Nazi” at that time.

              And thanks for providing me with Zionist Davidowicz’s unimpressive table (probably based on a table made by the Zionist “Institute of Jewish Affairs” during WW2), but that proves nothing. Lies, damned lies, statistics, and Zionist intoxication ‘data’…

              Comment by hermie — September 20, 2015 @ 8:11 am

              • But, Hitler did not rule these countries. Vichy France, Italy and Hungary were all independent countries. They were not “Hitler ruled, occupied.” Your interpretation is incorrect. In other words, you’re wrong.

                Comment by HCW — September 20, 2015 @ 8:49 am

                • HCW: “But, Hitler did not rule these countries.”

                  According to that time’s propaganda and world view in America, he did and all the non-German states of the Axis (less true for Japan) were depicted as mere puppet states in fact ruled by Hitler. The world was divided in 2 sides: the good democracies and Uncle Joe’s “People’s heaven” on one side, and the evil fascist “Hitler states” on the other side. “Us” and “Them”. Civilization vs. Hitlerite barbarians…

                  Comment by hermie — September 20, 2015 @ 8:11 pm

                • It doesn’t matter what the world thought, the reality is that those countries were not under German control. You are assuming that’s what the rabbi meant, how do you know what he meant?
                  Again, you are wrong.

                  Comment by HCW — September 20, 2015 @ 9:45 pm

                • HCW: ” You are assuming that’s what the rabbi meant, how do you know what he meant?”

                  I’m not assuming anything. I’ve read enough Allied WW2 propaganda to know what the people of that time meant by “Nazi-ruled Europe”…

                  Comment by hermie — September 22, 2015 @ 2:25 am

                • Propaganda or not, it doesn’t matter what Wise said. So, still wrong.

                  Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 5:30 am

                • HCW: “it doesn’t matter what Wise said”

                  Yeah, what the guy who started the whole thing said at that time just doesn’t matter. What matters is what Israel could and can make with it.

                  Around two weeks after Wise’s statement, 11 ‘United nations’ publicly condemned Hitler’s alleged extermination policy, so turning mere Zionist atrocity propaganda (for the postwar grabbing of Palestine) into official Soviet-Allied propaganda. But that was probably unimportant…if you say so.

                  Comment by hermie — September 22, 2015 @ 7:48 am

                • We’re talking about the Jewish populations in Europe, not proclamations or propaganda. So, you are still wrong.

                  Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 10:25 am

                • HCW: “We’re talking about the Jewish populations in Europe, not proclamations or propaganda.”

                  Both were strongly imbricated. This is the core of this topic. When you know that during the war there was a gang of fanatical activists publicizing the death of growing numbers of people (as the war lasted) and the vital need to send the 2 million remainders to Palestine without delay, at a time when the political goal of those activists was about to be crushed forever (the final deadline for the Zionist dream was March 31, 1949. Tick-tock tick-tock), you are, IMO, entitled to question the veracity of their claims, as well as their true intentions and inner motives. And you’re also entitled to suspect a large campaign of propaganda and intoxication and to regard it as more plausible and evidenced than the orthodox storyline.

                  Comment by hermie — September 22, 2015 @ 5:55 pm

                • Nope, in fact, regardless of what they said they can’t change the numbers of Jews in Europe at that time. So, you are wrong. There were 8-9 million Jews either in Nazi conquered territories or in countries ruled by their allies. The Nazis murdered around 5-6 million of them.

                  Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 4:50 am

                • HCW: “regardless of what they said they can’t change the numbers of Jews in Europe at that time”

                  Of course they could change the number of Jews in Europe at that time. There exist no data that can’t be distorted or forged by anyone with the right credentials. Especially true when such distortions are very convenient for the Establishment. Lil’ games with Jewish statistics were good for the Allies, the Soviets and their war propaganda. So there was little chance anyway that anyone would have even tried to oppose such lil’ games even if noticed. And the Zionist infiltration into the circles of power and academia in America and Europe was already very advanced at that time. Not to mention the pseudo-scientific institutes (such as the “Institute of Jewish Affairs” of the World Jewish Congress) established by the Zionists to feed the Allies with the pseudo-scientific data they both needed for their own propaganda at that time. The genius of the Zionist propagandists of WW2 was to make their own propaganda interests coincide with the Allies’ ones

                  For instance, much more than 500,000 Iraqi children died of the consequences of the U.S. embargo on Iraq because the children over 5 years old were never recorded and the U.N. stopped recording the children dying in Iraq after a few years in order to embarrass America. Lies, damned lies, and statistics…

                  Comment by hermie — September 23, 2015 @ 8:12 am

                • Edit: “in order NOT to embarrass America”

                  Comment by hermie — September 23, 2015 @ 8:30 am

                • Hermie, Europe had the largest population of Jews in the world. That fact is indisputable. It cannot be changed or denied, it simply was. End of story, thank you for playing. I don’t care if 100 zionists in the Madison Square Garden in 1941 screamed in unison that 2,000,000 were in imminent danger of being massacred by a horde of elves, Bigfoot and witches with ten foot long penises dressed in green SS uniforms. It simply does matter, then or now. I don’t care if Wise thought the world was ruled by a secret cabal of Nazis based in China.
                  The reality is that Europe had about 11-12 million Jews at the beginning of the war. By the summer of 1941 the Germans controlled most of Europe, from the English Channel to the tip of Soviet Union. The controls they did not control were allied to them or neutral. As a consequence a large Jewish population either came under their, or their allies control. This is fact, get over it and move on.

                  Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 8:52 am

                • HCW: “End of story, thank you for playing. I don’t care if 100 zionists in the Madison Square Garden in 1941 screamed in unison that 2,000,000 were in imminent danger of being massacred by a horde of elves, Bigfoot and witches with ten foot long penises dressed in green SS uniforms. […] This is fact, get over it and move on.”

                  I like when you get upset…😉

                  Comment by hermie — September 23, 2015 @ 2:36 pm

                • Oh, I wasn’t upset. I was trying to be funny. I thought you might appreciate me working in elves, Bigfoot and witches with long penises. I threw in the green SS uniforms because I thought that might be funny as well.

                  Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 6:25 pm

              • Here’s some more population data regarding Jews, this is from 1933.
                http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005161
                This is a table of total deaths by country, it also lists Jews.
                http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/world-war-2-statistics.asp

                The numbers differ but that’s to be expected, different research methods, different numbers. Naturally, the numbers don’t change that much, one doesn’t say 8 million Jews died, all are around 6 million.
                You’re right, statistics can lie……but not if they all tell the same story.

                Comment by HCW — September 20, 2015 @ 9:10 am

                • “You’re right, statistics can lie……but not if they all tell the same story.”

                  Except when they all smell like Kugel.😉

                  Comment by hermie — September 20, 2015 @ 8:20 pm

                • Funny. But again, you are wrong.

                  Comment by HCW — September 20, 2015 @ 9:46 pm

              • I think I misspoke, for some reason I called Stephen Wise a rabbi, I was looking over something else. I don’t know if Stephen Wise was a rabbi so I wanted to correct this.
                Point still stands. And, it doesn’t matter what he said.
                Besides, the Wansee Conference itself gave numbers for the amount of Jews in Europe:
                http://prorev.com/wannsee.htm
                These are German numbers. I haven’t compared them to the numbers I’ve already provided but they appear pretty close.

                Comment by HCW — September 20, 2015 @ 10:02 pm

              • Rabbi Wise was not the only Zionist leader using such numbers. According to FBI documents now declassified, James G. Heller, Chairman of the Zionist Organization of America, claimed in November 1943 that there were only 2 million Jews in occupied Europe.

                « Dr. Heller estimated the number of Jews in occupied Europe to be 2,000,000. He feared, however, that this number would be reduced to “a mere handful” if the Nazis remained in control for another year. »

                https://vault.fbi.gov/Zionist%20Organization%20of%20America/Zionist%20Organization%20of%20America%20Part%201%20of%2010/view

                Comment by hermie — September 22, 2015 @ 2:20 am

                • Hermie.
                  You seem to have an elvish fetish, perhaps you think these men were magical elves that made whole countries in Europe disappear.
                  It doesn’t matter what these men said. At that time, Europe had the largest population of Jews on the planet. Most of Europe was either occupied by Germany or allied to Germany.
                  German numbers place the number of Jews in Europe at 11 million. I’ve already posted the Wansee minutes, they said 11 million. Out of that there were around 8-9 million Jews in either occupied or allied countries.
                  So, you are wrong. Get over it and move along.

                  Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 6:26 am

                • HCW: “You seem to have an elvish fetish”

                  I haven’t. But you should have one, because elves are real and proved beyond any doubt according to your own evidential standards. Or are you an evil elf denier or something? What about the numerous eyewitness testimonies about that? Not a proof??

                  HCW: “perhaps you think these men were magical elves that made whole countries in Europe disappear.”

                  I don’t think that. But I think that was a very bad idea to deport some people en masse to a country at that time claiming you’re butchering those very same people. Predictably your enemy won’t admit he found those people alive (what would destroy his own war propaganda) after recovering his lost territories (or only inadvertently like Soviet Chief prosecutor Rudenko did at Nuremberg).

                  Comment by hermie — September 22, 2015 @ 8:06 am

                • Again with the elves. I only bring it up because you keep talking about it and even post videos about people who believe in elves.
                  You are right. Eyewitness testimony is unreliable.
                  So, how do we know that Rudolph Hoess was tortured by the British?

                  Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 10:28 am

                • The British admitted that they tortured Rudolph; they bragged about it. I wrote about this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/09/15/why-did-rudolf-hoess-confess-the-british-took-it-out-of-him-with-torture-says-his-80-year-old-daughter/

                  Comment by furtherglory — September 22, 2015 @ 10:43 am

                • Also, that was a bit obscure, what was that about deporting en masse?

                  Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 10:30 am

                • HCW: “You are right. Eyewitness testimony is unreliable.”

                  I feel that I’ll have to quote this one quite often in the future.😉

                  HCW: “So, how do we know that Rudolph Hoess was tortured by the British?”

                  I don’t know that Hoess was tortured. I feel that he was. (Or threatened, bullied, or coerced in any way.) I don’t give a lot in the British admission about that. But that looks consistent with my feeling and understanding of that topic. Consistent with his robotic confession at Nuremberg. Consistent with senseless statements such as “Himmler told me that the Führer had ordered the Final Solution and that Auschwitz had been chosen for its implementation” (“the final solution of the Jewish question” was mere commonplace vocabulary among the Zionists and Nazis of that time and it didn’t imply mass murder). Consistent with Hoess’ terrified look on some pics. Consistent with the British interrogation methods of that time. Etc.

                  Comment by hermie — September 22, 2015 @ 5:22 pm

                • So, you “feel” that he was tortured. Are all of your belief systems based on feelings? Seems a bit new-agey if you ask me, kinda faggy. Is that what you got from watching elf videos?
                  But, I digress. You are wrong that only 4 million Jews were under German control, regardless of what anyone was saying in the United States during the war.
                  As far as eyewitness testimony, yes, it can be unreliable. This is why historians rely on many different sources for history. In the case of the Jewish survivors, they are both witnesses and victims. In the case of the SS, they are both perpetrators and witnesses. We have Nazi documents, intercepts, site investigations, etc.
                  I’m not sure what took you down the path you’re on now. I am curious but I doubt you’ll tell me.

                  Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 6:02 pm

                • HCW: “Again with the elves. I only bring it up because you keep talking about it and even post videos about people who believe in elves.”

                  You prefer alien abductions, bigfoots, ghosts, or Marian apparitions? Or confessions from ‘witches’ maybe? I could post tons of testimonies about that if you wish.

                  I could begin with the confessions of ‘witches’ about the devll’s one-yard-long scaly penis and icy cold semen. Sounds like something Fillip Müller or Elie Wiesel could have said, doesn’t it?😉

                  Comment by hermie — September 22, 2015 @ 6:12 pm

                • HCW: “So, you “feel” that he was tortured. Are all of your belief systems based on feelings?”

                  Understanding based on the information at my disposal. Happy now?

                  HCW: “As far as eyewitness testimony, yes, it can be unreliable. This is why historians rely on many different sources for history.”

                  Staying in the devil’s genitalia of my previous post … “most witches agreed the devil was well endowed.” (https://books.google.be/books?id=pxfuRCuzf24C&pg=PT595&lpg=PT595&dq=devil+penis+yard&source=bl&ots=sm7t6Gvrpb&sig=xcuP7qeYIlMpfe6SF2RWY52BvLA&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAGoVChMI19Ol5P6LyAIVlQ-SCh09twzJ#v=onepage&q=devil%20penis%20yard&f=false) … Just another multi sourced fact. Corroborating BS are not always useful.

                  HCW: “We have Nazi documents, intercepts, site investigations, etc.”

                  None of them withstanding examination and confrontation for a minute. And you know it.

                  HCW: “I’m not sure what took you down the path you’re on now. I am curious but I doubt you’ll tell me.”

                  What path exactly?

                  Comment by hermie — September 22, 2015 @ 6:29 pm

                • I notice your favorite dodge is to throw Bigfoot, witches, etc. at me. I don’t particularly understand that but whatever. If the intent is to prove that eyewitness testimony is unreliable you’ve already done that so you don’t have to do it anymore. I get it. Like I said, real historians rely on many different ways to get their conclusions. But, as to the topic at hand, regardless of what the zionists said, you are still wrong.

                  Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 7:34 am

                • How did you become a “revisionist?”
                  I no longer say “denier” because I understand that term is rude. I’m just curious. I’ve never actually had any type of conversation with a revisionist until I found this site but apparently I’ve had conversations with revisionist royalty like Rizoli and Berg. Frankly they don’t particularly impress me.

                  Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 7:40 am

                • Oh, that whole scaly penis thing with ice cold semen sounds like something Julius Streicher would say about Jews.

                  Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 8:01 am

                • HCW: ” If the intent is to prove that eyewitness testimony is unreliable you’ve already done that so you don’t have to do it anymore. I get it.”

                  OK. Dully noted once again. Do you realize that the file of the ‘Holocaust’ is empty without such testimonial ‘evidence’? And it’s not saved by the very graphic evidence of the typhic health distaster in the last operational concentration camps, nor by the inocuous documents full of alleged “Nazi code words” so dear to Holocaustians.

                  HCW: ” Like I said, real historians rely on many different ways to get their conclusions.”

                  The reading of the academic books on the ‘Holocaust’ shows this is simply not true…

                  HCW: “How did you become a “revisionist?””

                  By examining the ‘evidence’ proving the “Holocaust” and by realizing they are a mere collection of laughable unsubstantiated claims.

                  Comment by hermie — September 23, 2015 @ 8:27 am

                • I’m sure your well known and documented hatred of Jews had nothing to do with your becoming a revisionist.
                  So, what came first, the anti-semetism or the supposed examination of the evidence?

                  Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 9:00 am

                • HCW: “I’m sure your well known and documented hatred of Jews had nothing to do with your becoming a revisionist.”

                  Documented indeed. I’m sure you didn’t expect such an avalanche of hard facts from an ‘evil antisemite’, did you?

                  HCW: “So, what came first, the anti-semetism or the supposed examination of the evidence”

                  The examination of evidence, definitely. Anti-Semitism is quite new to me. And “anti-semetism” even newer.😉

                  Comment by hermie — September 23, 2015 @ 2:46 pm

                • Hard facts?!?!?!?!?!?!?
                  You mean all of that Zionist gobbledygook?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?
                  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

                  Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 6:29 pm

                • HCW: “You mean all of that Zionist gobbledygook?!”

                  Among other things, yes.

                  ‘Gobbledygook’ only if you’re too lazy, brainwashed or stupid to investigate the topic further and connect the dots of the Greater Picture.

                  Comment by hermie — September 24, 2015 @ 2:46 am

                • I’m none of the above. History is a passion for me.
                  I have examined the evidence that revisionists bring to the table. I dismiss it because as I fact check it all falls apart, like a house of cards in a windstorm.
                  The problem is that revisionists believe that history is a crappy sweater that you can destroy by tugging on a string. History is not, it is layers of events that are piled on top of each other like bricks in a wall. Depending on the landscape the wall can zig zag.
                  An example of this is the alleged “Stab in the Back” myth at the end of World War I. People that believe this believe that Jews and Communists behind the lines doomed the German war effort.
                  This is not the case, there were several factors that contributed to the loss of WWI by Germany. Bad harvests, lack of raw materials, the British blockade, the entry of fresh US troops, weak allies, etc. all combined to doom the German war effort. Were there riots and mutinies behind German lines? Were there Comminists involved? Absolutely. Were some of them Jews? Absolutely. But, the same thing happened to the French. All the populations involved in the war were tired of it by 1918. Riots actually started as early as 1916…..and they started in Austria, not Germany. The Germany military knew they were doomed when Ludendorff’s attack failed in the summer of 1918 but they forced the civilians to take responsibility for the capitulation.
                  So, when I look at revisionists web sites, books, etc. all I see are distortions and anti-Semitism.

                  Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 8:05 am

                • Very well written.

                  Comment by furtherglory — September 24, 2015 @ 9:20 am

                • Thank you.

                  Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 11:04 am

                • In fact, revisonists don’t have to bring any evidence, HCW. As I don’t have to bring evidence that I’ve never murdered anybody. (How could I?) But if somebody charges me with that, HE has to bring evidence of that. That’s how things should normally happen. But, during and after WW2, the victors didn’t bother and were never able to bring real evidence of their claims. The London Charter of August 8, 1945 had been drafted that way. The Nuremberg ‘tribunal’ was not “bound by technical rules of evidence” and had not even to “require proof of facts of common knowledge”. Even a baby could be convicted of mass murder with such ‘rules’…

                  Comment by hermie — September 24, 2015 @ 8:37 pm

                • The tribunal used not only witnesses but documents written by the Nazis themselves. The tribunal had access to literally tons of documents that the Nazis failed to destroy. This included documentation from both Weimar and Imperial Germany. That’s how trials go, Hermie. Witnesses, documentation, physical evidence, etc. Even the examination and cross examination of of those on trial.
                  Just because you don’t like the end result doesn’t make it true.

                  Comment by HCW — September 25, 2015 @ 4:56 am

                • HCW: “The tribunal used not only witnesses but documents written by the Nazis themselves.”

                  Not really “written by the Nazis themselves”. Only ‘certified true copies’ with the originals nowhere to be found today.

                  https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t898001/

                  http://www.cwporter.com/innocent.htm

                  But anyway, even with those dubious ‘certified true copies’, only the alleged Nazi “campaign to exterminate the Jews” remains “steeped in fog” because “no document remains, and has perhaps never existed”…

                  “The archives torn from the bowels of the Third Reich, the depostions and accounts of its chiefs permit us to reconstruct in their least detail the birth and the development of its plans for aggression, its military campaigns, and the whole range of processes by which the Nazis intended to reshape the world to their pattern. Only the campaign to exterminate the Jews, as concerns its completion, as well as in many other essential aspects, remains steeped in fog. Psychological inferences and considerations, third- or fourth-hand accounts, allow us to reconstruct the developments with a considerable verisimilitude. Certain details, nevertheless, will remain unknown forever. As concerns the concept proper of the plan for total extermination, the three or four principal actors are dead. No document remains, and has perhaps never existed.” – Jewish historian Leon Poliakov, Breviaire de la haine (Breviary of Hate) , Paris, 1979, p. 134.

                  Comment by hermie — September 26, 2015 @ 9:17 am

                • Hermie, just a bit of advice. Never use Storm Front to back up a point. The funniest thing I ever saw one of those geniuses post was why would you dig in the ground to find a foundation. Apparently he didn’t know buildings have foundations.
                  We seem to have strayed off topic. We were discussing how wrong you were regarding the amount of Jews in Europe. Nothing has changed, you are still wrong about the number of Jews in Europe, regardless of what some Zionist said in the states.

                  Comment by HCW — September 26, 2015 @ 11:43 pm

                • There are idiots everywhere, HCW. As you’ve already repeated your “dig in the ground to find foundations” thing on numerous occasions, I guess there aren’t so many idiotic comments on Stormfront. Otherwise you would have had many other examples to bring on here.

                  Comment by hermie — September 27, 2015 @ 9:31 am

                • I admit I don’t go to Storm Front everyday, Hermie. Just a few visits convinced me that the people that post there haven’t exactly advanced too far up the evolutionary ladder.
                  You know, I was going to bag on you for posting something from Radio Islam, but, I have to admit, after I read it I thought the article about the Wansee Papers was well thought out and well written. Naturally I didn’t believe a word of it but I have to give the author credit.
                  I always thought it was a weird pairing, revisionists and Fundamental Muslims but in retrospect it does make sense.
                  It is odd to think of David Duke wandering around Tehran. I mean, you wouldn’t think a KKK member would feel comfortable lecturing to Muslims but, hey, the world can be a weird place.
                  You are still wrong on the whole Jewish population thing.

                  Comment by HCW — September 27, 2015 @ 3:12 pm

                • HCW: “I always thought it was a weird pairing, revisionists and Fundamental Muslims but in retrospect it does make sense.”

                  Makes as much sense as exterminationist scholars and Zionists pairing together and as exterminationist scholars often being Zionists. If the ‘Holocaust’ can be used to maintain the state of Israel, its refutation can be useful for the delegitimization of this very same state, what is of course of interest to Fundamental Muslims or any other anti-Zionist.

                  Comment by hermie — September 27, 2015 @ 7:58 pm

                • You know, when you start talking about zionists and exterminationalist scholars it starts to blur together and I have a hard time paying attention. You need to change your act. The whole Zionist gobbledygook is getting a little boring. I at least mix it up by tossing in some general history now and again.
                  But you are still wrong about the number of Jews in Europe.

                  Comment by HCW — September 27, 2015 @ 9:09 pm

                • HCW: “You need to change your act. The whole Zionist gobbledygook is getting a little boring.”

                  Too bad for you. Beside ‘normal’ war atrocity propaganda (the previous world war had vastly demonstrated the benefits of that weapon of psychological warfare), Zionism is the key to understand the motive behind the Holohoax. One has to know that the Zionists of that time were at war against Britain and her new Palestine policy. The MacDonald White Paper of May 1939 was a real death sentence for Zionism. It stipulated that Jewish immigration into Palestine would be banned after 5 years and that Britain would leave her unworkable mandate of Palestine on March 31, 1939, just after establishing an Arab-dominated state of Palestine there. If the Zionists had let that happen, the previous 5 decades of Zionist works would have been a complete failure and would have gone to waste. There was no way the Arab rulers of the new state of Palestine would have let additional Jewish migrants enter Palestine. The Zionists would have been compelled to just forget their dream of a Jewish state in Palestine. They crucially needed to force the abrogation of that British law prior to its deadline. They had to demonstrate the tragic nature of Jewish homelessness and the vital need for a Jewish state in Palestine. And what better demonstration of that tragedy and need than the ‘Holocaust’? That’s why the Zionists fed the Allies with Holohoax atrocity propaganda for years during WW2. Their task was quite easy as atrocity propaganda was the standard weapon of psychological warfare on the Allied side, just as it had been during the previous world war. When the Zionists of WW2 propagandized the Holohoax, they were not trying to expose the alleged barbarity of the Nazis. They were trying to expose the alleged barbarity and cruelty of Britain’s current Palestine policy. And that was a complete success. Impossible not to establish a Jewish state in Palestine after that. The diehard radical methods of the Wise-Goldman* and Bergson-Jabotinsky** wings of the Zionist clique proved tremendously efficient, much more efficient than the moderate diplomatic methods of the Weizmann wing. In 1931, Chaim Weizmann had been compelled to resign from his job as the president of the World Zionist Organization because of the anti-Zionist Passfield White Paper of October 1930. He came back to power in 1935. But in 1939,, during a crisis much worse than the previous one, with another blatant demonstration of the ineffectiveness of his diplomatic methods of cooperation with Britain and with a timed death sentence hanging over Zionism itself, Weizmann had to leave unofficially the leadership of the Zionist movement in the hands of the most extremist elements of Zionism: the intransigent rabbi Stephen Wise and Palestinian terrorist Peter Bergson.

                  * Stephen Wise, Nahum Goldman and their “World Jewish Congress”
                  ** Peter Bergson, Vladimir Jabotinsky and their numerous paper organizations in America

                  Comment by hermie — September 28, 2015 @ 7:51 am

                • Huh, what, did you say something?

                  Comment by HCW — September 28, 2015 @ 8:23 am

                • Only the motive for the crime against the truth known as the ‘Holocaust’….

                  Edit: on March 31, 1949 instead of 1939.

                  Comment by hermie — September 28, 2015 @ 4:53 pm

                • I’m sorry, huh?
                  Tried to read your reply……felt myself starting to slip away…………Hermie, you are still wrong about the Jewish population in Europe…..

                  Comment by HCW — September 28, 2015 @ 6:11 pm

                • HCW: “Tried to read your reply……felt myself starting to slip away”

                  Try to find an adult near you. He’ll perhaps be able to explain the too arduous parts to you.😉

                  Comment by hermie — October 1, 2015 @ 1:42 am

                • Don’t think my reply went to the right place.
                  Anyway, for you to imply I am childish is pretty rich, considering your elvish obsession and your weird tangent about scaly penises.
                  Oh, still wrong about the Jewish populations in Europe.

                  Comment by HCW — October 1, 2015 @ 12:22 pm

                • HCW: “Anyway, for you to imply I am childish is pretty rich,”

                  I was just teasing you…

                  HCW: “considering your elvish obsession and your weird tangent about scaly penises.”

                  Suddenly, testimonies and confessions aren’t probative anymore? (Something you’ve now conceded. But I can understand that you come back to that one on and on: nobody likes eating his own shit. You have patently disliked having to drop your shitty testimonial ‘evidence’.)

                  HCW: “Oh, still wrong about the Jewish populations in Europe.”

                  No additional “lies, damn lies, and statistics” link to post this time?😉

                  Comment by hermie — October 1, 2015 @ 6:46 pm

                • Now now, Hermie. Language.
                  You seem upset. Don’t blame me, I’m not the one who mentioned elves, witches or scaly penises. Seems a little odd, but hey, like John Lennon said, “Whatever gets you through the night…..”
                  I’ve already posted the demographic data that proves you wrong, Hermie. I’m not going to keep beating a dead horse.

                  Comment by HCW — October 2, 2015 @ 6:12 am

                • HCW: “You seem upset.”

                  Perhaps I seem so. But I’m not. Not at all.

                  HCW: “Don’t blame me, I’m not the one who mentioned elves, witches or scaly penises.”

                  I don’t blame you. You’ve brought things as proved as elves, witches and the devil’s penis: the sacred homicidal gas chambers nowhere to be found except in the brain of ‘survivors’.

                  As you’re not a moron, you know very well that I don’t believe in ridiculous things such as witchcraft, elves, the devil and Nazi gas chambers. You’ve understood from the very beginning what I was doing with ‘my’ elves, witches and devil’s penis. Stop playing the fool by pretending you don’t understand my point.

                  HCW: “I’ve already posted the demographic data that proves you wrong, Hermie.”

                  Good for you that you regard your laughable tables as probative enough,

                  I plan to write my own demographic tables ‘proving’ the exact opposite of your claims. Any idea about the name of my institute of demographic ‘research’? I thought about “The International Institute of Undeniable Demographic Database for Enlightenment”, the IUDDE (pronounce “Jude”), but perhaps you have a better idea.

                  Comment by hermie — October 2, 2015 @ 6:43 am

                • My issue is that you insult my intelligence by referring to witches, Marian apparitions and elves. I’m sure there are many articles on line that you could consult that prove your point without referring to such. I’ll stop referring to it if you will.
                  I do actually give you credit for knowing your subject matter.
                  Hermie, the main point of the demographic data I’ve posted confirms the amount of Jews under Nazi control. This directly correlates to the fact that in the years leading up to the war that the largest population of Jews existed in Europe, not in North America, not in South America, etc. This is indisputable. The numbers of Jews under direct or indirect Nazi control fluctuated due to the amount of territory gained or lost during the war. This is also confirmed by the Germans themselves at the Wansee Conference.
                  So, it’s completely irrelevant what anyone anywhere else thought or said at this time.
                  As far as eyewitness testimony, sure, it can be unreliable. But when you have a convergence of testimony it confirms an event. For example, let’s say you and I witness a car accident. The only thing you and may agree on is that there was an accident. We may disagree on what caused the accident, on the conditions of the road, etc. but the car accident still occurred. Just because we may disagree on the details does not make the accident suddenly go away. Revisionism thrives on issues with testimony, nitpicking details while ignoring the fact that the testimony confirms the event.

                  Comment by HCW — October 3, 2015 @ 8:43 pm

                • How reliable is the Jewish Almanac. You mentioned who had the most and least Jewish population. I’ve been going by what they said.

                  Comment by Tim — October 8, 2015 @ 1:47 am

    • More tall tales…..how about showing me pictures of those dead children. I mean really, now there are NO pictures of dead children I mean millions of them were supposedly killed when they got there.
      But like the non existent homicidal gas chambers pictures they mysteriously don’t exist except in your mind.
      I find it quite amusing that you have a lot to say but no facts…..
      Honestly don’t you think it a little odd that the most important info to back you up doesn’t exist?
      But that’s OK we just go along with the story because that’s what it is a nice story there to entertain the masses who can’t think for themselves.

      Comment by Jim Rizoli — September 20, 2015 @ 6:47 am

      • You wrote: “how about showing me pictures of those dead children.”

        You can see a photo of dead children on this blog post that I did:
        https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/the-nemmersdorf-massacre/

        The Allies claimed that these were dead Jewish children, but these are German children who were killed by the Soviets in the Nemmersdorf massacre. This was a case where American soldiers found dead children, who were German, but they assumed that these were Jewish children killed by Germans. I think that there was another similar case, but I can’t find it.

        Comment by furtherglory — September 20, 2015 @ 8:47 am

      • Um, when I reply back I give a list of reading materials, links to information, added pictures, etc. I’m not going to keep doing it because it is a waste of time.
        You, on the other hand, make proclamations and expect me to swallow them whole with no facts.
        Take your video on Sondercommando. You talked about Google search and then gave your definition. No facts, as far as I could tell. I don’t remember you giving any source material to go to. If you did please feel free to give them again so I can fact them. I relied on my own knowledge and I gave you information on how to fact check me.
        Mr. Rizoli, I’m not some rube who hasn’t picked up a history book since high school and can be impressed by YouTube videos. I read history for pleasure, I have an extensive library and I am constantly looking for new books on the subject. I even read that crappy book you suggested, The Bad War.
        So please, if you want me to take what you say seriously you need to stop proclaiming and start giving me facts….or I will continue to question your credentials on this subject.

        Comment by HCW — September 20, 2015 @ 9:41 am

  3. Isn’t it all about the Jews……wasn’t the whole war about the Jews. No one else matters.
    The way I look at it is….with the jews you lose!

    Comment by jrizoli — September 19, 2015 @ 9:57 am

    • That’s like saying the U.S. Civil War was all about slavery. You seriously need to broaden your horizons.
      BTW, I found some of your videos on YouTube last night. I didn’t watch the really long ones, I don’t have that kind of patience but I did watch some of the short ones.
      I found the video on the Sondercommando rather funny but factually horribly inaccurate.
      Sondercommando did not run the camps. You are confusing Sondercommandos with Kapos. My suggestion is to read KL, the History of the German Concentration Camps. The hierarchy of the camps ran something like this:
      SS Commandant
      SS
      Kapos
      Regular prisoners
      This is somewhat simplistic, there were different layers between Kapos and prisoners. When I say SS this includes SS doctors, security, etc.
      Jews were always at the bottom, along with Soviet POWs.
      I look forward to seeing your corrections.

      Comment by HCW — September 19, 2015 @ 5:23 pm

      • “Sonderkommandos were work units made up of German Nazi death camp prisoners. They were composed almost entirely of Jews who were forced, on threat of their own deaths, to aid with the disposal of gas chamber victims during the Holocaust”

        Sorry I don’t believe this. There are no homicidal gas chambers so how could these people even exist maybe they had another job they were doing.

        Comment by jrizoli — September 19, 2015 @ 6:01 pm

        • So, you guessed when you said the Sondercommandos basically ran the camps for the Germans? That seems rather sloppy.
          You are confusing Sondercommandos with Kapos. Kapos ran work details, ran the barracks, etc. Kapos were generally ethnic Germans or Austrians because the SS trusted them more, even in cases where they were Communists, Social Democrats or criminals.
          Again, I look forward to your corrections.

          Comment by HCW — September 19, 2015 @ 6:23 pm

      • And what proof do you have of that.
        Another tale l that you’re saying that has no proof.

        Comment by jrizoli — September 19, 2015 @ 8:57 pm

        • I’m seriously starting to doubt your credentials to discuss this topic. The difference between Kapos and Sondercommandos is a basic one, concentration camp 101. I’ve given you a book to read about the subject, in an earlier reply I gave you a link to Dachau for you to look at. You also insist on calling Zyclon B “bug spray.” It is nothing of the sort, Zyclon B is not sprayed and it’s ridiculous to say that.
          Really, I’d expect a denier to be more knowledgeable.
          On the plus side, I do like the little jingle you put at the beginning and ending of your little videos.

          Comment by HCW — September 19, 2015 @ 9:54 pm

          • Zyklon-B was used to kill lice in the clothing of the prisoners. This may be why jrizoli called it “bug spray.” When the American liberators first arrived at Dachau, they thought that the “gas chambers” that were used for disinfecting the clothing of the prisoners were homicidal gas chambers. The prisoners told them that the gas chamber was in the shower room and that either water or gas could come out of the shower heads.

            Comment by furtherglory — September 20, 2015 @ 3:03 am

            • I thought they dumped it through a hole in the ceiling. That’s what you said in one of your articles. That makes more sense than the showerheads. Think about it. If they use showerheads,they’re gonna have to find a way for the gas to evenly flow through the pipes. If it was water it would flow with no problem.

              Comment by Tim — September 20, 2015 @ 3:22 am

              • The Dachau Memorial Site goes back and forth on whether there was a gas chamber there or not. I think that the current story is that there was a gas chamber and it was used to kill people.

                I think that the current story is that the gas pellets were thrown through two little bins on the outside wall. The gas pellets then came through two windows on the inside of the room. I explained this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/the-zyklon-b-gas-chutes-on-the-outside-wall-of-the-dachau-gas-chamber/

                I also wrote about the Dachau gas chamber in this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/why-did-the-nazis-build-a-gas-chamber-at-dachau-if-they-werent-going-to-use-it/

                Comment by furtherglory — September 20, 2015 @ 4:11 am

                • And that’s the reason I tell people why I question some things about this subject. They keep going back and forth as to what happened.

                  Comment by Tim — September 20, 2015 @ 4:38 am

                • it was used to kill people

                  That would be odd (but it’s possible of course), since as I noted in a previous comment, the German language Wikipedia page on KZ Dachau is pretty unambiguous: it has never been proven (ie generally accepted) that there were gassings at Dachau.

                  Baracke X (Zweites Krematorium mit Gaskammerraum)

                  Es kam im Lager, selbst zu Kriegsende, zu keiner Massentötung durch Gas. There was no mass killing via gas, even at the end of the war.

                  Ob einzelne Personen oder eine kleine Gruppe durch Zyklon B oder anderes Gas – beispielsweise Kampfgas – zu Tode kamen, ist nicht nachzuweisen… If perhaps individuals or small groups were killed by gas, including gas used as a weapon, can also not be proved.

                  Massentötungen durch Gas fanden in Dachau nachweislich nicht statt. This is perhaps the strongest statement: Mass killing via gas in Dachau did not happen — it can in no way be proven.

                  Anyway, the whole tone of the text is clear — there were no gassings in Dachau.

                  Re the building itself, ie the supposed gas chamber room labeled as a shower room („Brausebad“): Der Raum war weiß gekachelt, besaß ein Guckloch und 15 simple Duschkopf-Attrappen. An der Außenwand befanden sich zwei blecherne Klappen, die auch das Einschütten von Zyklon B ermöglicht hätten. A key phrase here is “befanden sich zwei blecherne Klappen, die auch das Einschütten von Zyklon B ermöglicht hätten” — on the outside wall (Außenwand) were two clappers, which could have made it possible (“ermöglicht hätten”) to put in Zyklon B. US-amerikanische Truppen identifizierten diesen Raum am 29. April 1945 als eine Gaskammer. It was American troops who identified this as a gas chamber.

                  But at least in German they have no problem calling the killing of German personell — eg SS guards — a massacre and a war crime (Kriegsverbrechen):

                  Das Kriegsverbrechen, das zur Befreiung des Lagers nicht notwendig war – die Männer der Waffen-SS hatten kaum Widerstand geleistet – wurde später als Dachau-Massaker bekannt.

                  I could not find any info re a gas chamber on the web site of the Gedenkstätte itself.

                  Comment by eah — September 20, 2015 @ 9:20 am

                • HCW: “it was used to kill people….That would be odd ”

                  And what can you conclude about the Zio-Establishment’s evidential standards when you know that Dachau visitors are now told it was?

                  Comment by hermie — September 20, 2015 @ 8:45 pm

                • I didn’t say that, Eah said that.
                  Wow, you are really blowing it, are you feeling all right?

                  Comment by HCW — September 20, 2015 @ 9:48 pm

                • “I didn’t say that, Eah said that.”

                  Indeed.

                  Comment by hermie — September 22, 2015 @ 2:28 am

            • furtherglory: “When the American liberators first arrived at Dachau, they thought that the “gas chambers” that were used for disinfecting the clothing of the prisoners were homicidal gas chambers.”

              Not really. Or not for a long time in that event. Otherwise they woudn’t have used tricks such as claiming that the ‘gas chamber’ shown in their movie was equipped with the door of a delousing gas chamber (what was clearly suggested in the U.S. propaganda movie about Dachau) and that the deloused clothes being aired outdoor were the clothes of inmates recently gassed to death. Such tricks indicate a will to lie and deceive. The U.S. troops were patently looking for food for home propaganda. Before Dachau, they had also ‘found’ alleged homicidal gas chambers at Breendonk (Belgium) and Buchenwald.

              Comment by hermie — September 20, 2015 @ 8:39 pm

    • jrizoli: “wasn’t the whole war about the Jews”

      It was. Indeed. More people should learn things about Ian Colvin, his visit to PM Neville Chamberlain in late March 1939, and his ‘info’ about Hitler’s alleged imminent invasion of Poland at that time. On the instructions of the Zionist ‘Focus’, Colvin so tricked Chamberlain into providing Poland with Britain’s hasty unconditional military support, what instantly stopped any Germano-Polish negotiations for a peaceful settlement of their differences and led to a second world war. WW2 was in fact a mere Zionist chess game for the uprooting of Jewry in Central and Eastern Europe and its subsequent transfer to Palestine. That explains why Chamberlain later stated that “America and the world Jews had forced England into the war”. Perhaps Britain shouldn’t have aroused the Zionist clique with her partition plans, her restrictions on immigration into Palestine, and her St James Palace Conference after all…

      “We reached the [Balfour] Declaration not by miracles, but through persistent propaganda, through unceasing demonstration of the life force of our people. We told the responsible authorities: We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not. You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.” – Chaim Weizmann, Speech in Jerusalem, December 1919.

      Comment by hermie — September 19, 2015 @ 9:08 pm

  4. Everything anyone does is a conspiracy against the Jews.

    Funny thing is, the more they say that, the more true it becomes. The original self-fulfilling prophecy, not unlike welfare, affirmative action, and other “mercies.”

    Comment by Jett Rucker — September 19, 2015 @ 9:23 am

    • The main issue was they were being transported to these camps to work. And I don’t think any of them have been able to reconcile the requirement to work in the German war effort and their lack of desire to work in any capacity.

      Comment by Diane king — September 19, 2015 @ 1:38 pm

      • Love the stereotypes deniers toss out. “Jews don’t want to work.”
        Jews in Europe ran the gamut of professions, from doctors-academics-lawyers to farmers-artisans-laborers.
        I think it would be refreshing to see a denier that wasn’t a Hitler hero worshipper. You know, someone who said, “That Hitler, he was an ass but at least he didn’t kill all of those Jews.” That would be fascinating.

        Comment by HCW — September 19, 2015 @ 5:08 pm

        • stereotypes

          Of course “deniers” is not a stereotype. Anyone who questions, even reasonably questions, or expresses doubt about, what can be called the ‘exterminationist’ view, ie the conventional ‘Holocaust story, or aspects of it, is a “denier”. But that’s not a stereotype.

          Comment by eah — September 20, 2015 @ 10:06 am

          • You’re right. I used a stereotype when I said “deniers” and I apologize. It aggravates me when I see stereotypes about Jews on this blog so I understand your irritation.
            What term would you like me to use in the future?

            Comment by HCW — September 20, 2015 @ 10:39 am

            • I think that the polite term is “revisionist”.

              Comment by furtherglory — September 20, 2015 @ 11:07 am

              • Then I will use that term going forward.

                Comment by HCW — September 20, 2015 @ 11:15 am


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