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September 22, 2015

11 million Jews mentioned in minutes of Wannsee conference

The house where the Wannsee conference was held

The rear of the house where the Wannsee conference was held

A reader of my blog wrote this in a comment:

“German numbers place the number of Jews in Europe at 11 million. I’ve already posted the Wannsee minutes, they said 11 million.”

After visiting the Wannsee house years ago, I wrote about the Wannsee Conference on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/EasternGermany/Wannsee/

The Wannsee house where the conference was held

The Wannsee house where the conference was held

The following information is from my website:
The minutes or protocols of the Wannsee meeting, 15 pages in all, were written by 36-year-old Adolf Eichmann. The copy that was found in 1947 was undated and unsigned; it had no stamp of any Bureau. The copy appeared to be a draft report of the meeting that was held on January 20, 1942 at Wannsee.

[Did you catch that?  The copy that was found in 1947!  I wonder who wrote the copy that was mysteriously found after 5 long years.]

The full title of the Conference was “The Final Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe.” The original phrase was “a final territorial solution of the Jewish question.” The term “Jewish Question” referred to a question that had been discussed for years: Should the Jews have their own state within the country where they lived, or should they assimilate?
After World War II ended on May 8, 1945, the Allied powers began a search for the Nazi documents that they would need as evidence at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal which was set to begin in November 1945. They found tons of paperwork including secret documents hidden in salt mines and behind walls in the Nazi administration buildings. But the one most important document, the order signed by Adolf Hitler which gave the authority for the genocide of the Jews, was never found.

Finally, in 1947, long after the first proceedings of the Nuremberg IMT had ended, the minutes of a conference held on January 20, 1942 at a villa in Wannsee, a district of Berlin, were found. At this conference, the plans for the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question” had been discussed. Today, tourists can stand in the very room where the plans were made for the genocide of the Jews.

The dining room of the Wannsee house where the conference was held

The dining room of the Wannsee house where the conference was held

Fifteen top officials of the Nazi bureaucracy and the SS attended the Wannsee conference, which was led by 38-year-old Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, the chief of the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA). On May 27, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich was wounded when a group of Czech resistance fighters, who had escaped to England, returned and made an attempt on his life in Prague. Heydrich died of his wounds on June 4, 1942.

The minutes or protocols of the Wannsee meeting, 15 pages in all, were written by 36-year-old Adolf Eichmann. The copy that was found in 1947 was undated and unsigned; it had no stamp of any Bureau. The copy appeared to be a draft report of the meeting that was held on January 20, 1942 at Wannsee.

Was this alleged copy actually a document that was written by someone other than Adolf Eichmann?

The full title of the Conference was “The Final Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe.” The original phrase was “a final territorial solution of the Jewish question.”

The term “Jewish Question” referred to a question that had been discussed for years: Should the Jews have their own state within the country where they lived, or should they assimilate?

The front of the Wannsee house where the conference was held

The front of the Wannsee house where the conference was held

On the witness stand at the Nuremberg IMT, Hermann Goering said that the conference was about “the total solution to the Jewish Question” and that it meant the evacuation of the Jews, not extermination.

47 Comments »

  1. As you know modern Germans are psychologically insane and as a people seem to enjoy their final suicide. Here the Linke party ( the largest in Mitteldeutschland ) proposes that German people have their houses taken from them forcibly to house the millions of new Germans.

    Comment by peter — September 23, 2015 @ 3:48 pm

    • Um, ok. Not sure what the point is but I’m sure you know what your talking about.

      Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 6:15 pm

      • The point is that the German government is daily admitting 20,000 people mainly men and largely illiterate from Asia and Africa for settlement to replace its own population. No other country in the world would tolerate this invasion. The spur for this as Merkel has said is Holocaust guilt . Lies from 75 years ago are destroying a nation . I think even you can understand this .

        Comment by peter — September 23, 2015 @ 11:27 pm

        • Peter! WWI and WWII left Germany with a great demographic problem because milions of men in age of granting people reproduction died on the various battlefront. In last 1944/45 war year Hitler sent to death even fifteen years old boys.

          Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 24, 2015 @ 1:27 am

          • WWI and WWII left Germany with a great demographic problem

            Wolf, I debunked this same utter nonsense from you earlier — just a few days ago, in fact. I posted current demographic data — you know, facts, as opposed to your self-serving unsupported statements — showing Germany today has a completely normal female/male ratio for a developed country.

            If Germany has a “demographic problem” today, then it is one similar to other European countries, and other developed countries generally — near or below replacement level reproduction in young adults, especially the better educated. But like I said, this is a common problem in developed countries, and has nothing to do with losses in WWII — eg the white population in the US is actually falling now, but the US suffered, relative to its size, modest casualties in WWII, and the ‘baby boomers’ made up for those losses many, many times over.

            And maybe some of these Germans were demoralized and became ashamed of their ‘German-ness’, and therefore decided not to have kids, due to the constant guilt-tripping and ‘Holocaust’ propaganda hurled at them their entire lives.

            And WWI?! — you are demented — I mean really — it is absurd.

            Please, no more of this — it is tiresome, not to mention just plain wrong.

            Comment by eah — September 24, 2015 @ 2:48 am

            • Actually, Wolf is right in this sense:
              Both WWI and WWII did cause demographic problems and not just in Germany. France, for example, after WWI had to increase the years conscripted soldiers served in order to keep their armed forces at a stable level. The loss of millions of men either as husbands or potential husbands did cause an imbalance between men and women.
              This self corrects over time but then twenty years later another world war happened. The same thing occurs and then self corrects over time.
              It’s possible what you are saying is true, that German women decided not to have children after the war but I doubt it’s due to “Holicaust guilt.” It’s possible they decided not to have children because they were raped or otherwise traumatized during or right after the war.
              Europe and the United States do have issues with Caucasian men and women not having children. I’ve read a lot of different reasons for it (people are marrying later, women have their own careers and don’t want to give them up to have children, etc.).
              So, calm down. Wolf has the right to express his opinion, don’t revisionists scream about the right to free speech? Or does that only apply when it suits you?

              Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 6:22 am

            • HCW eah, peter, With WWI the suicide of Europe started and with the Versailles Treaty the poison for continuing the suicide with WWII had been served on the table. Indeed with WWI women found themselves compelled to perform male works as me stood, get wounded or died at the battlefront So in time between wars women already started careers having less children, WWII lasted six years and eight months with so military as civilian heavy casualties. With WWII the social environment had been changed for good due to the economic and social effects of the wars. Here in Italy it had been noted that even imigrated women have only two o three children and not as many normal in their countires of origin. For today good bye. Best,

              Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 24, 2015 @ 9:55 am

        • What lies from 75 years ago?

          Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 6:09 am

        • peter: “As you know modern Germans are psychologically insane and as a people seem to enjoy their final suicide. ”

          Where did you get the idea that Germany differs from all the other formerly-white countries of the world in this regard? Perhaps Germany is going faster to the ravine of biological suicide, but all ‘White countries’ are now going to the very same ravine. You can be sure of that.

          peter: “No other country in the world would tolerate this invasion.”

          Quite hilarious comment.

          No other country would tolerate this invasion? Really? Even at the risk of being called a Nazi racist country? You must be joking…

          All the countries of Europe are doing that. The countries of Eastern Europe are trying to resist, but their resistance won’t last for a very long time. The ‘European’ Union will impose this invasion on them too.

          The rogue nation of Israel is just emptying Iraq and Syria before the next increase of ‘her’ territory.

          Comment by hermie — October 1, 2015 @ 1:20 am

  2. Speaking of Goering he always struck me as the most pragmatic man in the Nazi leadership.
    He counseled caution over the Sudetenland in 1938, he didn’t want war in 1939, he made Himmler stop his goofy ethnic cleansing in Poland and wanted to continue concentrating on Britain instead of attacking the Soviet Union. Granted he was a morphine addict, was lazy and an anti-Semite. He also managed to break the vaunted Luftwaffe. I do wonder what would have happened if Hitler had died in let’s say1939. I believe Goering was his successor. I wonder if things would have turned differently. Just a thought.

    Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 7:53 am

    • HCW: Hitler kept so Austria as Bohemia-Moravia in order to get the large gold reserves of the respective State Banks. So the III Reich could import material wanted for the arm industry. And Goering supevised the FOUR YEAR PLAN of preparation for the war. So I believe that he fully shared the Hitler policy. Best,

      Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 24, 2015 @ 1:35 am

      • Goering also wanted access to Austrian iron ores as well.
        Goering was the driving force behind Austria’s annexation but he wanted the Sudetenland peacefully and wanted to come to an agreement over Poland peacefully. I don’t think Goering wanted war with west. He famously offered to take Ribbontrop up in the first plane so that Ribbentrop could see what war was like (Goering loathed Ribbentrop, as did many of the top Nazis, Goebbels included).
        I do think that Goering shared Hitler’s views towards the Jews but even then he was a bit more pragmatic about it than Himmler or Hitler. Was it Goering that said “I decide who is a Jew?”
        Goering also protected his brother Albert Goering who actively aided Jews and even used Herman to get out of scrapes.

        Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 7:06 am

        • HCW! It had been Vienna Antisemite Mayor Lueger to say WHO IS A JEW IS MY DECISION. Goering in March 1938 promised to have Vienna JUDENREIN – Jewsfree – in two years; a promis with terrible effects.

          Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 24, 2015 @ 7:18 am

          • Thank you, for some reason I though this was a Goering quote.

            Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 7:20 am

            • I found a selection of quotes from Goering, it was in fact Lueger who said it.
              I’ve put the page regarding Goering’s quotes below:

              https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring

              Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 7:27 am

              • Now it’s Lueger’s turn, I see!! Are all the leaders bringing happiness and justice to their people, by breaking the lethal grip of Jewish tyranny, doomed to be defamed and defiled by Jewish parasites and their very numerous allies? And are the Gentile masses doomed to be exploited and crushed by Jewish aliens forever? It seems that both are…

                Comment by hermie — October 1, 2015 @ 1:29 am

                • You said “bringing” Lueger died over a hundred years ago.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Lueger

                  I thought the name Lueger sounded familiar so I posted his Wikipedia page above. The first time I read about him was in William Shirer’s “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.”
                  From what his Wikipedia page says about him and from what Shirer also said Lueger was in fact a decent man. While his rhetoric was anti-semetic this did not match what happened, he treated the Jews fairly.
                  So I guess he didn’t feel it necessary to “save” anyone from the evil Jews clutches.

                  Comment by HCW — October 1, 2015 @ 8:29 am

  3. Furtherglory! Commentators! You in USA are used to documents with stamps and signatures to be exhibited in Courts or Senate Inquiring Committies and defendants who give evidence under oath unless they have appealed to an ammendment of Contitution.
    You simply do not realize that in Europe in those times of darkness things had been completely different:
    1. Heydrich on those minutes certainly did not need stamps or signatures of the burocrats taking part at Wannsee Conference and following refreschment. His oral orders had full force.
    2. The fisical destruction of Jews had been part of the German supremacy doctrine which developped into Nazism. So the many euphemistic expressions in “Nazi Deutsch” – a way to speak German which is difficult to translate and quite different of the language of Goethe, Schiller, etc. – had been fully understood by any SS or civil burocrat.
    3. As an example: At Theresienstadt – and I think in any other Ghetto – the Elder had to take note of the oral orders he received. The SS Command never iussed written orders.
    So all the fault finding questions about the minutes of the Wannsee Conference are baseless.
    As to Goering at Nuerenberg: He had been always a betrayer. Before 1930 he had a business connection withe a Jewish owned Italian firm. Then he stood in first line in actions against Jews and the founder of the Gestapo at Berlin. Later he iussed protection papers for Jews stating their merits for German economy; all the holders of such papers had been deported and did not survive. Remember that after the KRISTALLNACHT he presided the meeting where harder discrimination had been worked out. At the end of WWII he betrayed Hitler and tried to reach a personal deal with the Allies. And You mean that statements of such an individual could have any credibility? Certainly his “evidence” at Nuerenberg can not be accepted.
    Before questioning that Holocaust really occured or express doubts on the Gas Chambers or so remember that the III Reich had been based on a doctrine of hatred which explains its policy and manner to keep secrets.
    In USA You should learn the manners to keep secrets even from those examples. Best.

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 23, 2015 @ 6:16 am

    • Eichman also stated that Heydrich had him edit the minutes to remove language that explicitly mentioned the mass killings of the Jews.

      Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 6:48 am

    • You wrote: “The fisical destruction of Jews had been part of the German supremacy doctrine which developped into Nazism.”

      The Jews had a “supremacy doctrine” as part of their religion. This was one of the things that caused the goyim to hate the Jews.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 23, 2015 @ 6:55 am

      • Furtherglory: Just today Yom Kippur I have to think over the idea of “chosen people”. For ourselves Jews this means more duties in following the Law given by the Lord; in no way supremacy over other peoples. It had been the Catholic Church for centuries to ask for supremacy in the various states-kingdoms in order to force people to follow Chatholic rules – “the only one truth” – causing bloody wars. Remember the Inquisition which watched for generation over the conversos considered of “impure blood”, a model for the Gestapo and Nazi racial doctrine. Even changing Faith a Jew continued and continues to share Jewish Fate of persecution. One of the subjects discussed at the Wannsee Conference had been the question of “who is a Jew” to take to the Death Camps or who to take to be “only sterilized”. That foolish boy You met a College and did not want Your friendship would avoid to speak with me – as not fully observant – too. Best.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 23, 2015 @ 8:07 am

  4. The fact is, nothing about the Wannsee Conference — Göring’s letter, Heydrich’s invitation letters, the attendees, any result of the conference, eg a protocol or minutes — can be taken as proof that the “Gesamtlösung” or “Endlösung” of the “Judenfrage” meant the killing/extermination of Jews — Göring himself uses the phrase “Auswanderung oder Evakuierung”. Everything about it is ambiguous, meaning can be interpreted in different ways — no one is surprised that some, including Jews, seek to promote the most sinister possible interpretation.

    But none of it is proof of anything — people who believe the conventional ‘Holocaust’ story ought to take note of this.

    Comment by eah — September 23, 2015 @ 2:31 am

    • Ok, noted.
      But, considering that the Eisatzgruppen had been killing Jews since the invasion of the Soviet Union, Chelmno in operation since December and the Nazis were building a second death camp at Belzec I’d say irrelevant.
      Wansee was about coordinating the efforts of the Nazi killing in the mass state, not about starting this process.

      Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 4:43 am

      • Mass killing, not mass state.

        Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 4:43 am

    • eah: Professional criminals – gangsters, nazis, etc. – avoid to leave written documents/evidence of their deeds. So the various fault finders have their business.

      Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 23, 2015 @ 8:11 am

  5. Who could have written the Wanasee Conference Protocol found in l947?

    1. “David Daniel “Mickey” Marcus (22 February 1901 – 10 June 1948) was a United States Army colonel who assisted Israel during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and who became Israel’s first modern general (Hebrew: Aluf). He was killed by friendly fire, when he was mistaken for an enemy infiltrator while returning to Israeli positions at night. Marcus is the best known Israeli Machal soldier. He was portrayed in the 1966 Hollywood movie Cast a Giant Shadow that starred Kirk Douglas as Marcus. In1946, he was named chief of the Army’s War Crimes Division in Washington, planning legal and security procedures for the Nuremberg trials and the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal. He attended the Nuremberg trials, making sure that Nazi crimes were thoroughly documented. After the trials, he was offered promotion to Brigadier General, but instead elected to return to civilian life and his law practice”… so he could sneak off and change his name and uniform and terrorize British soldiers and civilians in Palestine.

    2. “In late 1944 Lt. Colonel Murray C. Bernays, a naturalized American Jew of Lithuanian origin, and a graduate of Harvard Law School, who was heading head up the investigation of Nazi war crimes against U.S. servicemen, produced a document that was critical of the American policy on prosecuting war criminals. Bernays argued that there must be judicial proceedings and that leading Nazi war criminals should be charged with conspiracy to commit crime. Bernays also argued that certain Nazi organizations such as the SS, the Nazi Party, and the Gestapo should be indicted, not just individual leaders. It was not necessary to indict every member of the criminal organizations, but representative individuals in the organizations. Once the organization was tried and convicted, an individual member could be considered a coconspirator and given a summary trial by the Allies. Leading officials in the Roosevelt administration endorsed Bernays’ ideas of conspiracy organizations in November 1944″… Bernays changed his name, too, from Cohen to Bernays when he married Jewish-American “Father of Public Relations” Edward Bernays’ sister.

    3 “Franz Leopold Neumann (May 23, 1900 – September 2, 1954) was a German-Jewish left-wing political activist, Marxist theorist and labor lawyer, who became a political scientist in exile and is best known for his theoretical analyses of National Socialism. He studied in Germany and the United Kingdom, and spent the last phase of his career in the United States. Together with Ernst Fraenkel and Arnold Bergstraesser, Neumann is considered to be among the founders of modern political science in the Federal Republic of Germany. In the literature arising out of the Verona papers, Franz L. Neumann is named as the figure behind a code word for a singularly distrusted and very short-term “spy.” The political design that may have led Neumann to the actions that earned him this classification are unknown, but until his death he enjoyed and repaid the full trust of American authorities. Neumann, Herbert Marcuse and Otto Kirchheimer worked on numerous projects, including the analysis of political tendencies in Germany. They were “specifically assigned to the identification of Nazi and anti-Nazi groups and individuals; the former were to be held accountable in the war crimes adjudication then being negotiated between the four Great Powers, and the latter were to be called upon for cooperation in post-war reconstruction. For his source materials he drew upon official and military intelligence reports, extensive OSS interviews with refugees, and special OSS agents and contacts in occupied Europe; it was his duty to evaluate the reliability of each of the items of intelligence that reached him, and assemble them all into a coherent analysis of points of strength and weakness in the Reich.”

    4.” Herbert Marcuse (German: [maʀˈkuːzə]; July 19, 1898 – July 29, 1979) was a German-American (Jewish) philosopher, sociologist, and political theorist, associated with the Frankfurt School of critical theory. Born in Berlin, Marcuse studied at the universities of Berlin and then at Freiburg, where he received his Ph.D.[2] He was a prominent figure in the Frankfurt-based Institute for Social Research.Wikipedia does’t thave any information on him organizing of the Nuremburg IMT but it does say viv a vis the Marxist The Frankfurt School that …” These men comprised the ‘theoretical brain trust’ of the American war machine, which, according to its founder, William J. Donovan, would function as a ‘final clearinghouse’ for the secret services—that is, as a structure that, although not engaged in determining war strategy or tactics, would be able to assemble, organize, analyze, and filter the immense flow of military information directed toward Washington, thanks to the unique capacity of the specialists on hand to interpret the relevant sources.”

    And this was just the tip of the OSS Marxist “minyon”-“kahilla” at Nuremburg. Louis Marschalko, Hungarian Catholic correspondent; playwright and poet affirmed: “Out of 3,000 people employed on the staff at the Nuremberg Courts, 2,400 were Jews.” Is it any wonder then that that “miserable, disgusting human being that even a lot of Nazis hated” Julius Streicher’s last words were, “Purimfest l946!”

    Comment by who dares wings — September 23, 2015 @ 1:41 am

    • That’s a lot of names. Impressive. No proof, though.
      And Steicher was a disgusting human being. A lot of the top Nazis disliked him and couldn’t stomach the trash he wrote. Goering refused to let his staff read Streicher’s paper. Streicher lost power in 1940 due to his excesses but he was still allowed to publish his paper.
      In spite of all this, he still didn’t deserve the death sentence at Nuremberg. Streicher never directly committed any crimes.
      And what is Purimfest?

      Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 7:20 am

      • HCW: “And what is Purimfest?”

        Purim is a Jewish remembrance celebration of the execution of Haman ‘the Persian Terminator’ and his ten sons.

        Comment by hermie — September 23, 2015 @ 2:21 pm

        • HCW. Purim exactly remembers the victory of Jewish self defence against the Indo-German/Aryan mob. Furthermore the Bible mentions that Jews had been aided by the Satraps. That means that the other semitic peoples joined forces with the Jews against the Persian Indo-German/Aryan supremacy; the Romans indeed feared such a coalition so in the Jewish text this fact is obscured. But German anti-Semite scholar Paul de Laguard/Paul Boetiker wrote an essay – I could not read – about Jews and Indo-Germans; this may be the reason the Nazis carefully watched the celebration of the Purim Festival.

          Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 24, 2015 @ 1:46 am

          • Thank you, Hermie and Wolf. I’m Roman Catholic and it’s been a long time since my comparative religion classes in school. I understand the basics of Judiasm, along with Islam, Buddhism, etc. but I don’t know much about about specific rituals, rites, etc.

            Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 6:32 am

      • HCW: The writings of Streicher and his associates on DER STURMER led many persons to become strong Nazi criminals.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 24, 2015 @ 1:51 am

        • That’s possibly true, however, Streicher lost his power in 1940. He never commanded a concentration camp, never led an SS detachment, as far as I know not directly involved in the mass deportations after 1940.
          I’m not sure what he did warranted a death sentence. Telford Taylor, an American attorney attached to the US prosecution team at Nuremberg, said in his book on the trial that Streicher’s death sentence bothered him because he doesn’t believe that what Streicher did warranted it. After reading his book and other materials on the trial I agree.

          Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 6:43 am

          • HCW! The Streicher DER STUERMER propaganda had had terrible effects on readers and turned many normal persons in hatefull criminals of any sort, not only SS men. When death sentencing SS men or similar individuals for taking part in mass murder we ought to sentence in the same way those who spread that kind of hatred.

            Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 24, 2015 @ 7:27 am

            • I see your point of view, Wolf. I think we both agree that Streicher was a vile person who spread lies to make the persecutions of Jews more palatable to the German people. Some of the copies of Der Stuermer I’ve seen made me flinch when I read them (they were translations, I don’t speak or read German) repeating the same old lies that have been spread about Jews for centuries.

              Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 7:35 am

            • As always, hope the day finds you in good health.

              Comment by HCW — September 24, 2015 @ 7:37 am

    • who dares wings. None of the above listed persons could have the necessary command of Nazi Deutsch – the special way Nazis expressed their aims – to be able to forge such a document. The OSS had been headed by Allen Dulles and helped many Nazis to avoid trial and get abroad. Then, there had been a SIPPEN AMT – Racial belonging Office – at the Nuerenber Court to check racial and religious belongings of staff members?

      Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 23, 2015 @ 8:23 am

    • Never mind, I found it. Apparently it’s a Jewish holiday celebrating Haram’s (?) execution.

      Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 2:29 pm

      • Sorry, Haman. Misspelled it, thanks for the correction, Hermie.

        Comment by HCW — September 23, 2015 @ 2:30 pm

  6. The Jewish question, how soon and to where do we get them out of the Reich!

    Comment by Diane king — September 22, 2015 @ 3:26 pm

    • What does this have to do with the Wansee Conference?

      Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 5:13 pm

  7. About Goering, he wasn’t there so why bother to take his word on what occurred there? Also, you are assuming that Goering is telling the truth. The man was on trial for his life, why in the world would he tell the truth?

    Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 10:20 am

    • Goering didn’t have to be at the Wannsee conference to know what it was about. He told the truth because he took an oath to tell the truth, so help me God.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 22, 2015 @ 10:51 am

      • So did Ted Bundy. He denied killing the coeds and the 12-year-old girl in Florida.
        Now, don’t think I’m comparing Goering to a serial killer. I’m not. My point is that people on trial for their lives have no interest in telling the truth, especially the truth that is going to hang them. Prisons are filled with people who will scream their innocence to high heaven…..and most of them are guilty.

        Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 11:18 am

        • I wrote about the Nuremberg IMT in this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/the-nuremberg-show-trials-aka-the-nuremberg-international-military-tribunal/

          This quote is from the blog post, cited above:
          Begin quote
          The trial was unprecedented because the prosecutors who conducted the trial and the judges who made up the jury were both from the victorious Allies only. The International Tribunal and the charges against the Germans had been created under the terms of an agreement among the Allies, known as the London Charter, signed on August 8, 1945.

          At the main trial, there were 100,000 documents accepted into evidence and the transcript of the trial filled 42 volumes with more than 5 million words. According to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, Allied prosecutors submitted some 3,000 tons of records at the Nuremberg IMT. The defense was not allowed access to any documents except the ones that were actually used by the prosecution.
          End quote

          Comment by furtherglory — September 22, 2015 @ 11:29 am

          • A show trial is a trial where the verdicts are already known.
            Hans Fritzch, Hjalmar Schacht and Franz Papen were acquitted. Others received prison sentences and others were hanged. I think if this was a show trial the IMT would have hung everyone (the Soviets actually wanted to hang everyone but they were overruled).
            https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/verdicts.html
            I’ve added the list of the acquitted and convicted above.

            Were there problems with Nuremberg? Absolutely. Julius Streicher is a problem for me. Was he a miserable, disgusting human being that even a lot of Nazis hated? Absolutely. Is that sufficient cause for a death sentence? No. Frankly, the allies didn’t need to make up law, international law already existed to cover most of the crimes committed by the Nazis.

            Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 11:51 am

  8. Interesting, I guess the claim is that these documents were forged.
    If so, why the ambiguous language?
    If you are going to forge documents then I would go all the way with it.
    A forged document would state unambiguously that the plan for the Jews was total annhilation, that the Jews were being gassed at Chelmno, that there was another camp was being built at Belzec and more were being planned, that the ultimate death camp would be at Birkenau, etc., etc. Why beat around the bush? Why not also mention the mass shootings of Jews in the Soviet Union?

    Comment by HCW — September 22, 2015 @ 10:08 am


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