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September 25, 2015

British pupils enjoy life overseas, after which they hear a Holocaust survivor speak

Filed under: Uncategorized — Tags: , , , , — furtherglory @ 9:04 am

This morning, I read a news article here which started off with this quote:

During activities week in July, 41 pupils from Woldgate School’s Years Eight and Nine, accompanied by five staff, visited Cantabria in the North of Spain.

We arrived on Monday afternoon and visited the village of Santillana where we stayed for four nights.

Eventually the article disintegrated into this quote:

Visiting speaker: Arek Hersh

Once again, the History department was privileged to welcome Arek Hersh to Woldgate [school].

Arek is a holocaust survivor and for several years now he has come into school to talk to our year nine pupils following their study of Hitler’s Germany and the Holocaust.

Arek was born and lived in Poland until he was 11 years old. Before the age of 15, he had lived through two ghettos and four concentration camps.

He narrowly escaped the gas chambers of Auschwitz, before eventually being freed and brought to England at the end of the war.

His story is very moving and inspiring and it has been published in a book entitled, A detail of History. This title has been deliberately chosen to echo the words of those who have sought to deny or dismiss the events of the Holocaust.

A film of his life, Arek, was shown to Year Nine pupils, after which they were encouraged to ask him questions. This year the event went especially well.

Pupils were attentive throughout the film and the questions they put to Arek were exceptional. At the end many of them came to shake his hand and buy his book, the proceeds of which go to continuing Holocaust education.

End quote

Do any of these students ever ask Arek how he managed to escape the gas chambers — when he was under the age of 15? This man’s whole life is Holocaust denial. As everyone knows, children under the age of 15 were sent immediately to the gas chamber when they arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

I don’t know if Arek mentioned the name of the SS man who was doing the selections when he went through the line, but it had to be Dr. Mengele, the SS man who was always whistling tunes from classical music and not paying attention to the children that he was letting through, instead of waving them to the gas chamber line, as he was supposed to do.

52 Comments »

  1. In comments on this and many other posts I note how attention is given only – and in a puritan fault looking attitude – to the few survivors who have had and still have the force to deliver speeches about their terrible stories. So both branches of Shoah Business can operate. First aged persons are taken to a pubblic gathering where entrance fee is to be paid and asked suggestive questions in order to satisfy attendants. Then the well known deniers look for any thinkable fault and, worse, taking adwantage of general great ignorance of history – not only in USA – of those times of darkness deny even the destruction of European Jews by the Nazis.
    No attention is given – on this and many other sites – to the much more survivors who simple cannot speak about events they passed through – stories very interesting for understanding those times of darkness – and are near to passing away. I,myself, had been many times strongly advised by doctors to avoid to deliver speeches or lectures; some one expressed doubts even on delivering written contributions.
    My feeling about persons regreting the my survival or that of other Jews cannot considered an asinine comment but the effect of the many contributions strongly looking for faults in speeches, lectures, writings of aged survivors always suffering from various forms of the survivor syndrome. I note a great, puritan, lack of respect for human feelings and suffering.

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 27, 2015 @ 2:56 am

    • The problem is that there are Holocaust survivors out giving lectures, and telling obvious lies. I wrote about this several times, under the tag “telling lies”
      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/telling-lies-about-the-holocaust/

      Comment by furtherglory — September 27, 2015 @ 3:25 am

      • Furtherglory! How can we tell appart so called “obvious lies” from effects on memory of terrible traumatic events those persons passed through? Furthermore those person are too often targeted with suggestive questions which have another bad effect. Best.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 27, 2015 @ 7:29 am

      • Furtherglory! From my personal experience: A wellknown Italian TV journalist and writer asked in a suggestive form “The nazis gathered – concentrated – at Terezin musicians from all Europe”. At the answer that I cannot confirm this in that form he hang up the phone. There had been many musicians among inmates and, unfortunately for then, got easy works which did harm their hands in order to enable them to perform musical plays so at Theresienstadt as after ….; so in the great transport vawe of October 1944 in one of the transports almost all musicians toghether – as not necessary workers – had been sent to Auschwitz and no one survived. Some times later two other real survivors in letter to a Jewish paper made a slanderous statement against my late Father just because I did not want to confirm that the exhibition of the REQUIEM of Verdi had been an important act of spiritual resistance it certainly had not been.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 27, 2015 @ 8:02 am

        • Furhterglory and commentators: Often Mr Leutner’s “expert opinions” are quoted in order to deny the existence of the Gas Chambers for mass murder. I note that Mr Leutner simply is not updated and in no way qualified to express opinions whether that wall are remainings, or not, of a Gas Chamber operating with Zyklon B, a very strong German product and so the Nazis could perform their mass murders. The diesel exhaust had been used only in the mobil gas vans where they wanted the kill a smaller group of victims.

          Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 27, 2015 @ 8:12 am

          • Wolf, I agree that Leuchter was hardly qualified to determine whether or not the destroyed “Krema” were used to kill large numbers of Jews. He dealt with execution chambers in the United States designed to execute one person, not chambers built to kill large numbers of people. He also examined blown up structures exposed to the elements for 40 years. When he took his samples back for examination he did not explain to the company who examined the samples what they were or what he was looking for. As a consequence the manager of the company pulverized the samples, diluting the cyanide. The manager himself stated this was the wrong way to treat these samples.
            The Poles did their own examination of the chambers that refuted Leuchter.
            I’ve never understood why Zundel didn’t contact Arthur Butz, noted revisionist of Northwestern University. I’m assuming all of these guys know each other. Butz is an engineer, why not ask him to take a trip out to Auschwitz with a chemist to do the examination?
            I can pretty much guarantee this reply will bring people screaming from the sidelines to protect and defend poor Mr. Leuchter.
            Wolf, exhaust fumes were also used to kill Jews at the Action Reinhardt Camps.

            Comment by HCW — September 27, 2015 @ 9:01 am

        • I went to Wikipedia to find out what this source has to say about music at Theresienstadt. The following quote is from Wikipedia:

          Many educated Jews were inmates of Theresienstadt. In a propaganda effort designed to fool the Western allies, the Nazis publicized the camp for its rich cultural life. In reality, according to a Holocaust survivor, “during the early period there were no [musical] instruments whatsoever, and the cultural life came to develop itself only … when the whole management of Theresienstadt was steered into an organized course.”[15] An extremely rich cultural life then ensued, with lectures, recitals, poetry readings, concerts, and so on. At least four concert orchestras were organized in the camp, as well as chamber groups and jazz ensembles. Several stage performances were produced and attended by camp inmates. Many prominent artists from Czechoslovakia, Austria, and Germany were imprisoned at Theresienstadt, along with writers, scientists, jurists, diplomats, musicians, and scholars, and many of these contributed to the camp’s cultural life.

          […] The pianist Alice Herz-Sommer performed 100 concerts while imprisoned at Theresienstadt. She and Edith Steiner-Kraus, her friend and colleague, both survived the camp, emigrated to Israel after the war, and became professors of music, Herz-Sommer at the Jerusalem Academy of Music, and Steiner-Kraus at the Tel Aviv Academy of Music.[21] In March 2012, a biography of Herz-Sommer was published.[22] At the time of her death in London in February 2014, at 110, she was the oldest known Holocaust survivor.[23]

          Comment by furtherglory — September 27, 2015 @ 8:22 am

          • Furtherglory! The above is true; In those transports much more male inmates – according to the Nazis – in age of work and of combat had been deported, The musician deported at their arrival had been given easy works so – in October 1944 – they were not considered to be “necessary workers”. The two ladies mentioned here likely worked at the GLIMMER WERKSTADT – MICA WORKSHOP – hence they had been “necessary workers” and it had been possible keep them at Theresienstadt. Kindly note that I stood there when the author of the WIKIPEDIA page perhaps was not even born and, besides, am the son of the last Elder who in fourthy years could explain me many things. Best.

            Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 27, 2015 @ 9:53 am

            • Wolf, in your experience/time there, did you know of or meet anyone who came from Auschwitz? — that is, someone who was sent from Auschwitz to Theresienstadt? I know you say some people you knew were sent from Theresienstadt to Auschwitz (where you assume they were killed).

              Comment by eah — September 27, 2015 @ 10:27 am

              • Some one who had left Theresienstadt returned with those deathmarches which reached Theresienstadt. I learnt about some one who with the deathmarch arrived to Buchenwald. But for many reasons at Theresienstadt the deathmarchers had to be placed in quaranten. I myself could not meet them. My Father could meet some one. That is all I can answer here. Best,

                Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 27, 2015 @ 12:04 pm

              • eah: I cannot say wether my Father for his office met some of those survivors at Theresienstadt or later at Prague. When in Rome my Father had been contacted by one or two of those survivors. I myself had been contacted some years ago by on those survivors.
                I mean persons – allmost all young men, only two women – sent from Theresienstadt to Auschwitz where they had been selected for forced labor and then left with the death marches. No one of my comrades or our family friends. Best.

                Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 27, 2015 @ 1:31 pm

        • Often Mr Leutner’s “expert opinions” are quoted in order to deny the existence of the Gas Chambers for mass murder

          Germar Rudolf, a PhD chemist, also looked for evidence of cyanide residue and found none. Others, eg Butz in ‘Hoax of the Twentieth Century’, have also assessed the technical feasibility of what is claimed.

          Then there is the issue of cremation capacity, especially re the Hungarian Jews, which you dodge by saying ‘geheime Reichsache’.

          Etc etc — it’s the totality of evidence…or lack of it.

          I note that Mr Leutner simply is not updated and in no way qualified

          You said that before — saying it again does not make it more true now.

          Comment by eah — September 27, 2015 @ 8:58 am

        • Furtherglory! Furthermore. The above quoted journalist and writer in 2002 pubblished a book – about Theresienstadt at the time of the Danish Red Cross visit and then the film making – entitled ANCORA UN PO’ DI CILIEGIE ZIO SS – Another bit cherry uncle SS. Not even at the time of that foreign visit and the film making such words had been possible; when staying in face of an SS a distance of three steps had been strictly mandatory and he had been adressed “Herr Obersturmfuehrer” or “Herr Oberschaarfuerer” or so according the rank. The expression ONKLE RAHM – Uncle Rahm marked only the great difference of Commander Rahm and his predecessor, the terrible Anton Burger. You see on this example how at least careless writers manipulate the tragic truth and misreppresent the events making things easier for the deniers. Best.

          Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 27, 2015 @ 10:12 am

    • the many contributions strongly looking for faults in speeches, lectures, writings of aged survivors

      Earth to Wolf: critically assessing the stories — or in fg’s words, the “obvious lies” — told by survivors is not the same as wishing they had not survived. Not at all. Please remember this.

      Comment by eah — September 27, 2015 @ 4:23 am

      • eah: Critical assessing those stories ought to be done in the most sensitive manner for the reasons I stated commenting Furtherglory above. Best.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 27, 2015 @ 8:14 am

    • Wolf, revisionists thrive on nitpicking details.
      I watched a video by revisionist Rizoli. He was ranting about the recent excavations of the Sobibor that found the foundation of the gas chamber used there. His whole point (which he was ripping off from another revisionist who wrote an article on line that Rizoli was quoting word for word) was that the foundation did not match eyewitness testimony. Because of this, the foundation could not be a gas chamber. The rest of the video degenerated into Rizoli ranting about Jewish lies and how brave men were hung for these lies.
      What the learned Mr. Rizoli did not mention is that the gas chambers in these camps were either rebuilt or modified while these camps were in operation which would explain the difference.
      I read two articles regarding ages of those selected either for labor or for extermination. One article stated that the minimum age was 16, another article stated the minimum age was 14. Revisionists will immediately seize on the discrepancy and say, “See, they can’t even agree on the ages of those saved!!!!!!!!! This means that no Jews were killed, the camps were wonderful places and Hitler loved the Jews like he loved his dog Blondi!!!!!!!!!!!!”
      No, it just means that there was flexibility in the system, that depending on need the age could go up and down depending on need. Also, as I’ve mentioned before, those making selections were not looking at id’s or looking at birth certificates. A tall or husky child under the minimum age could be selected for labor instead of being killed.

      Comment by HCW — September 27, 2015 @ 9:25 am

      • Signor Rizoli would find the prischiatric help he urgently needs or at Mount Sinai Hospitale in New York or in Israel. His syndrom is specular to those of the Holocaust survivors or their children.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 28, 2015 @ 8:08 am

        • I agree that Mr. Rizoli urgently needs help.

          Comment by HCW — September 28, 2015 @ 8:18 am

  2. The German state religion of Holocaustianity has led to a collective insanity. Ms Merkels call to the poor of the world is killing the German nation , as was intended.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249667/Germany-state-SIEGE-Merkel-cheered-opened-floodgates-migrants-gangs-men-roaming-streets-young-German-women-told-cover-mood-s-changing.html

    Comment by peter — September 26, 2015 @ 12:51 am

    • Peter! WWI and WWII had led Germany to a great demographic crisis which effect appear now in form of a lack of sufficent population in working age. Problem to worsen in coming decades. This is not question of the Holocaust but of demography. Clear?

      Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 28, 2015 @ 11:31 am

  3. As in WIKIPEDIA and in LEARNING FROM HOLOCAUST sites: Indeed, Arek Herschel had been 11 in 1940 when he came in Lodz Ghetto where he had been considered at WORKING AGE; survival policy of the Elder Rumchowski, He, as many Polish Jewish boys, had been quite clever and realized that only by work he could survive. When in August 1944 he arrived at Auschwitz he was already 15 and so selected to forced work. Someone regrets that he managed to survive.
    I noted that he disclosed his personal story only in 1995, when he could think to have the duty to give historical evidence of how a youngster at that time of darkness had to fight for surviving. One of the few cases not “managed” by Shoah business.

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 25, 2015 @ 11:13 pm

    • Someone regrets that he managed to survive.

      No one regrets that he survived — stop making asinine remarks like that.

      Do any of these students ever ask Arek how he managed to escape the gas chambers

      If he makes this claim, then re his “personal story” and the “historical evidence” it represents, it would be interesting to hear him explain that — don’t you think?

      Comment by eah — September 26, 2015 @ 1:57 am

      • eah: Arek managed to be selected for forced labor instead for the Gas Chamber. Indeed when he arrived at Auschwitz he had been alreay 15 and so fit to be selected for “forced work” which had more chances of survival. Clear?
        eah: The way many fault searching comments on this site are expressed I wonder whether some one regrets survival of Jews. This is no way asinine remark; I still feel that doubt. Clear?

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 26, 2015 @ 8:58 am

        • Wolf, frankly I agree. I think many that post here regret any survivors.

          Comment by HCW — September 26, 2015 @ 9:04 am

          • I think many that post here regret any survivors.

            Name them. Since there are “many”, you should be able to name several.

            Comment by eah — September 26, 2015 @ 11:12 am

            • Sure.
              We have Hermie, who wants to be paid in Jewish scalps.
              We have Mr. Rizoli, who thinks that a world without Jews would be “nice.”
              We have Mr. Berg, who called Jews “vile and stupid” and said he understood why the Germans locked them in camps.
              We have someone called “Son of Europe” who linked back to a website that I can only describe as a Nazi wet dream.
              Those are the ones I can think of right off the top of my head.

              Comment by HCW — September 26, 2015 @ 11:44 am

            • So now they all have a chance to reply.

              Comment by eah — September 26, 2015 @ 11:46 am

              • I look forward to it.

                Comment by HCW — September 26, 2015 @ 12:08 pm

        • Here’s what it says on the Wikipedia page for Arek Hersh:

          Apparently, even as a young boy at the time, Arek figured that if you were placed in a group with sick, young or old people, you were going to be killed as you were of no use to the Nazis. So, before entering the camp, where Jews were lined up in queues of fitter people and weaker people, Arek bravely crossed to the fitter queue, while a commotion happened near the rear of the line (SS officers tried to take a child from its mother), and in doing so, saved his own life.

          Yes, “apparently”. And just as “apparently”, the Nazis were again not paying attention, and didn’t notice little Arek changing lines. I suppose the SS were trying to take the child so they could bash its brains out. Of course this carelessness doesn’t compare to the epic carelessness the Nazis showed when they allowed members of the ‘Sonderkommando’ to live — all of their previous meticulous efforts at secrecy were then worth nothing — schade.

          Of course all the above is completely without attribution — eg they don’t even bother to reference the book he seems to have written. Far be it from me to question any of it.

          Later it says:

          As the war came to a close and Germany was surrounded by the Allies, Arek and the rest of the Jews (sic) at Auschwitz were transported away across the country.

          Here again Arek was lucky — while other Jews were sent on a ‘death march’, he was “transported” — he must have changed lines again.

          Then:

          He was eventually liberated at Theresienstadt (Terezin, Czechoslovakia) on 8 May 1945 by the Russian Army.

          Wolf says comrades of his were sent to Auschwitz from Theresienstadt — here again Arek was lucky, because he was sent from Auschwitz, which was a “death camp”, to Theresienstadt, where he was liberated.

          I notice he is an MBE — they give that away pretty cheaply these days it seems.

          Comment by eah — September 26, 2015 @ 11:43 am

          • He sounds like a smart kid.
            In the chaos of the evacuation of Auschwitz some of the Sondercommando managed to slip in with the ordinary prisoners. Considering that the Red Army was only a short distance away the SS had better things to worry about than the execution of a few Sondercommando…..but they somehow found the time to blow up the “Krema.” Curious that they would take the time to destroy harmless crematorium….but I digress.
            Death marches included both marching prisoners and transporting them by train. Generally the trains were open to the elements so prisoners did die of exposure.

            Comment by HCW — September 26, 2015 @ 3:39 pm

  4. As for Arek Hersh avoiding the gas chamber even though he was under 15, those making selections weren’t checking id’s or perusing birth certificates. If he was taller then he could be picked for labor.

    Comment by HCW — September 25, 2015 @ 11:27 am

    • Yes, it’s true. Sometimes selections were done, according to the height of the victim. I wrote about this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/selections-for-gas-chamber-at-auschwitz/

      This quote is from the blog post, cited above:

      Begin quote
      Dr. Samelson was allowed to live, even though he was only 11 years old and hardly qualified to do any kind of work; the rule at the Auschwitz “death camp” was death for anyone under 15 or over 45. Sometimes, the rule was changed so selections were made by measuring the height of the young boys. In Dr. Samelson’s case, his mother was allowed to choose which of her children would live. His mother made the supreme sacrifice and went to her death with her daughter, allowing her two sons to live.
      End quote

      Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2015 @ 2:28 pm

  5. My original thought on this was, “Why on earth would a trip to Spain and France have anything to do with having a Holocaust survivor as a guest speaker?”
    Then I read the rest of the story. Apparently the students visited Paris and then when they were back at school they had this gentleman come and speak. This happened after their studies on World War II and the Holocaust. That made a lot more sense.
    Actually, I think you should applaud the old gentleman for not mentioning Dr. Mengele. Dr. Mengele did not arrive at Auschwitz until 1943, other doctors made selections both before and after he arrived.
    I make it a point not to read biographies in general unless they deal with someone I’m particularly interested in. This includes Holocaust survivor accounts. I’ve never read Primo Levi or Elie Wesel and I probably never will. The first person narrative is too constricting. I have read some excellent biographies on Hitler and Stalin.

    Comment by HCW — September 25, 2015 @ 11:20 am

    • You are wise not to read the books written by Primo Levi and Elie Wiesel. You would be taking a big chance on becoming a Holocaust denier. I wrote about Primo Levi on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/primo-levi-the-story-of-ten-days-jan-18th-to-jan-27th-1945/
      Don’t even read the old blog post, cited above. You would be surprised by how much it takes to turn someone into a Holocaust denier. In order to preserve your belief in the Holocaust religion, don’t take chances.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2015 @ 2:35 pm

      • I read the post.
        I’m fine.
        It’s not a religion, it’s history.
        Religion is a matter of faith, not fact.
        Though not particularly religious, I have faith in certain things.
        The Holocaust is a part of history, a part of the history of World War II. It isn’t a pleasant part but then much of history is not. The Holdomor, the Cultural Revolution in China during the 1960’s, the massacre of the Armenian Christians by the Turks, all of these things prove the depth to which humans can sink.
        I don’t really understand what drives revisionism, after all, mankind long ago proved itself capable of mass murder.

        Comment by HCW — September 25, 2015 @ 2:57 pm

        • The Holocaust IS a religion; it’s called Holocaustianity. As in other religions, many things happened that could not have happened in real life.

          Comment by furtherglory — September 26, 2015 @ 6:03 am

          • No, the Holocaust is not a religion. It is a fact of history.
            It’s fascinating the words that revisionists use to dishonor the dead. Not just the Jews but all of the other victims that the Nazis murdered because of their perverted need to dominate and remake Europe in their own image. Holocaustianity, Holohoax, Rizoli’s E-lie Wesel, all very fascinating. And catchy.

            Comment by HCW — September 26, 2015 @ 8:49 am

        • The Holocaust IS a religion

          But it’s in the early stage — that’s why, re ‘Holocaustianity’, there are still heresy laws.

          Comment by eah — September 26, 2015 @ 7:43 am

          • Furtherglory, eah: Holocaust is one of the results of the century long antisemite religious preaching blaiming Jews first for deicide and then for any other evil. Religious preaching and slanderous literature. We Jews have the religious duty to remember our martyrs. Only this is the religious side of the Shoah – Holocaust. Clear?

            Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 26, 2015 @ 9:15 am

  6. (Practically all) humans have a natural immunity to this sort of dross. It’s the SCHOOL SUBJECT of history! How much of it did YOU commit to memory?

    And that was BEFORE you came to realize, per Henry Ford, that was all pretty much bunk anyway.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — September 25, 2015 @ 9:52 am

  7. So you can add him to the list of those who either escaped from a gas chamber or somehow narrowly avoided going into one.

    Comment by eah — September 25, 2015 @ 9:14 am


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