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October 28, 2015

A Holocaust ballet performed in Palm Beach, Florida

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 10:32 am
My photo of the reconstructed gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp

My photo of the reconstructed gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp, which is mentioned in today’s news

You can read a news article about the ballet, which was recently  performed in Palm Beach, Florida here: http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/news/local/full-evening-ballet-sheds-light-on-the-holocaust/nn8tq/#sthash.ZKZLhGkP.dpuf

Where else would one put on a Holocaust ballet?  Palm Beach, Florida is where many of the Holocaust survivors now live the good life, which they earned by surviving the Holocaust.

Ballet Austin dancers perform an intense section of Light / The Holocaust & Humanity Project, known as Boxcar, portraying the cramped quarters and lack of privacy to which concentration camp residents were subjected. Photo credit: Tony Spielberg

Ballet Austin dancers perform an intense section of Light / The Holocaust & Humanity Project, known as Boxcar, portraying the cramped quarters and lack of privacy to which concentration camp residents were subjected. Photo credit: Tony Spielberg (click to enlarge)

The following quote is from the news article:

During the two years [Stephan] Mills researched the ballet, he visited eight concentration camps, traveled to Israel, pored through archives and interviewed 15 survivors. Houston survivor Naomi Warren’s experience serves as the underlying narrative.

The moments that made the biggest impact on Mills were personal.

He recalls sitting in a gas chamber at Auschwitz in Poland, marveling at the beauty of the light reflected off the walls while considering the horrors that took place there. “They shoved in as many adults as would go, and when there was no more room they shoved the children and babies on top,” he said.

My photo of the gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp

My photo of the gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp

That sensation of entrapment found its way into the ballet in a 12-minute section set to a soundscape of wailing sirens.

End quote

My photo of the Gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp

My photo of the Gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp (click to enlarge)

The Auschwitz gas chamber is now roped off and dark

The Auschwitz gas chamber is now roped off and dark

Auschwitz Gas chamber roped off and even darker

Auschwitz Gas chamber roped off and even darker

Note that Stephen recalls SITTING in the gas chamber at Auschwitz.  Was he sitting on the concrete floor?  There were no chairs in the gas chamber on the two occasions when I was there, but chairs may have been added now for famous people.

87 Comments »

  1. I no longer reply as much but I do poke my head in on occasion to see what is going on.

    As I write this particular comment, there are 36 comments on this thread. And 17 of them — one short of 50% — are by the person who wrote the text above.

    Comment by eah — October 29, 2015 @ 9:05 am

    • I hadn’t replied on the last few stories, eah. This interested me so I replied.
      Thanks for keeping track, though. You can give me a daily count.

      Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 11:08 am

  2. Among the many retired persons living in Florida there are some Holocaust survivors, But much more real survivors live elsewhere worldwide are often needy and suffering for the painfull record of events they have passed through. Those real survivors coping with increasing health problems are not involved in the Shoah business and certainly will not watch that stupid ballet. Many comments on this and other posts lack of any respect for human feelings and painfull experiences of silent real survivors.
    USA foolish foreign policy contributed to the rise on power of Mussolini, Hitler and the outbreak of WWII with the Holocaust and other tragedies. The present time USA foreign policy can easily have similar effects.

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — October 28, 2015 @ 11:58 pm

    • When I lived in Ft. Lauderdale we had a lot of “snowbirds”(retired folks that live up north and come to Florida for the winter months. Never saw a tattooed Jew until one day I was in the dentists office. An elderly man sat beside me. We were just talking,shooting the breeze. I noticed his arm had a tat on it. I didn’t ask about it. I didn’t wanna put him on the spot. Guess he’s living history. Up to that point,I’d only heard about the Jews and their CC tats

      Comment by Tim — October 29, 2015 @ 12:19 am

    • I think many countries foolish foreign policies led to WWII, Wolf. The US was isolationist in the 30’s so this falls on Germany, Italy, Britain, France, Poland and the USSR.

      Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 12:01 pm

      • HCW; i blame President Wilson for his attitude against Germany as state (not only against the Kaiser as person and against the Prussian Military establishment as class) and against Austria-Hungary Monarchie whose destruction produced several minor state – coping with minority problems as well – separated by bondaries. So established economic relationships and social contacts had been broken with very bad effects. Compelling Democratic Germany to huge unbearable financial reparations required the new Democratic Government to press more and more the already exhausted population, In this way right wing groups and parties got growing support until HItler could get the appointment as Chacellor. Only few western statesmen like Churchill realized the danger. I have submittted to Furtherglory an essay on all the political conflcit in Europe from 1870 to 1939 leading beside WWII to the Holocaust as well; I do hope my ideas will be available on the proper page of this site. For today Best.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — October 29, 2015 @ 1:27 pm

        • I do agree that the breakup of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire was something of a disaster. It put up trade barriers where they didn’t exist previously. The separation of multiple minorities in the countries formed after WWI (Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, etc.) also caused problems because those minorities wanted to be a part of their mother countries. I also think that allowing Austria to cede with Germany after the war may have prevented some problems.
          I do think Wilson was an idealist who did the best he could, however, French hostility doomed any realistic peace settlement.

          Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 2:28 pm

          • You can read about what Wilson did wrong here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles

            Comment by furtherglory — October 29, 2015 @ 3:36 pm

            • Wilson was arrogant about having the treaty ratified, he also made a mistake in alienating the Republicans, notably Lodge, by calling for a Democratic sweep in the next elections.

              Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 4:04 pm

          • French always seem to be the ones that don’t want to let shit die. Not to mention that asshole de Gaulle. Runs off and hides,then takes credit for everything the allies did.

            Comment by Tim — October 29, 2015 @ 10:36 pm

            • The French did have legitimate reasons for their hard headedness after WWI, Tim. The Germans caused a great deal of damage during their invasion of 1914 and their retreat in 1918. Wanting that damage paid for is completely legitimate, however, the French went way overboard in their desire for revenge.

              Comment by HCW — October 30, 2015 @ 10:16 am

              • Exactly. Can’t get blood out of a turnip. From my own experience,war causes destruction all around. There’s enough of it for everyone. Wilson was so worried about his worthless League of Nations,that he was willing to kiss everyone’s ass. He should’ve been the voice of reason. Someone quoted that the end of WW1 was just a 20 year cease fire. I think Stefan Zweig hit a home run when he said,”everything in our almost 1000 year old Austrian monarchy seemed based on permanency “. Yeah. War brings out the hard truth

                Comment by Tim — October 30, 2015 @ 10:44 pm

              • HCW: “The French did have legitimate reasons for their hard headedness after WWI, Tim. The Germans caused a great deal of damage during their invasion of 1914 and their retreat in 1918.”

                And that was much easier than requesting that money from the real culprits of WW1, i.e. the pro-Zionist Pan-Slavist ministers of Czarist Russia who deceitfully lured France into WW1 with lies and distortions (such as the real date of their own mobilization).

                Comment by hermie — October 31, 2015 @ 7:16 am

                • Um, Hermie, at the end of WW I there was no Czarist government, therefore no Czarist ministers.
                  Kinda hard to get money from a government that does not exist, especially one whose head of state was executed before any treaty was signed.
                  I don’t blame them for being Pan-Slavist, they were, after all, Slavic.
                  As for the rest, the pro-Zionist stuff………I could go into the fact that the Czarist government was Anti-Semitic and any pro-Zionist feelings they had stemmed from a desire to kick their Jews out of Russia but I don’t feel like it today.
                  Happy Halloween.

                  Comment by HCW — October 31, 2015 @ 12:12 pm

                • HCW: “Um, Hermie, at the end of WW I there was no Czarist government, therefore no Czarist ministers.”

                  Do you think I don’t know that? WW1 brought great opportunities for the 2 great Jewish conspiracies of the 19th and 20th centuries – i.e. Communism and Zionism. Using both Russia’ armies to crush Turkey (and so capture Palestine) and Russia’s war-linked weakening to crush the hated Czarist regime (and so abrogate the Pale of Settlement and the anti-Jewish laws/restrictions of Czarist Russia) was indeed a very good idea.

                  HCW: “Kinda hard to get money from a government that does not exist, especially one whose head of state was executed before any treaty was signed.”

                  Except when your name is Nahum Goldmann and your interlocutor is your old Zionist colleague of the Berlin “Pro-Palestine Committee” Konrad Adenauer.😉

                  HCW: “I don’t blame them for being Pan-Slavist, they were, after all, Slavic.”

                  No need to mention that. You’ve been trained to hate Pan-Germanism and Pan-Germanism only. So you can be nothing but a sympathizer of Pan-Slavism, built on the ruins of the German and Austro-Hungarian empires.

                  HCW: “As for the rest, the pro-Zionist stuff………I could go into the fact that the Czarist government was Anti-Semitic and any pro-Zionist feelings they had stemmed from a desire to kick their Jews out of Russia but I don’t feel like it today.”

                  You’re right. Life is too short to not brush inconvenient realities aside…😉

                  Comment by hermie — October 31, 2015 @ 8:36 pm

                • So, wait, if the Czar’s ministers were pro-Zionist (thereby making the Czar himself pro-Zionist) why replace them? Weren’t the Zionists getting what they wanted? A hostile government that forced the issue of Jews leaving for Palestine?
                  Why replace that with a “puppet” that would improve the lot of Jews in the Soviet Union, thereby removing the impetus to leave?
                  The Russians never occupied Palestine, the British controlled Palestine at the end of the war.
                  The Russians never occupied Turkish lands, the British, French and Italians did.
                  Why would I sympathize with Pan-Slavism? I pointed out that I UNDERSTOOD why they would be, not that I sympathize with it.
                  For that matter I understand why Germans, and Austrians, would be Pan-Germanic. I UNDERSTAND it, I don’t sympathize with it or condemn it, I’m simply neutral towards it.
                  As for the breakup of the Austrian and German empires…..
                  I’ve said that this was a mistake. It created trade barriers where none existed previously. It created countries (Czechoslovakia and Poland) filled with minorities longing to get back to their mother countries. It caused resentment in Germany and Austria, making them want revenge.
                  The allies made mistakes at the end of the war, Hermie. Better to have allowed Austria and the Sudetenland to cede with Germany and nip that problem in the bud before it became an issue.

                  Comment by HCW — October 31, 2015 @ 11:44 pm

                • HCW and Hermie! 1. The Czarist regime used the Jews as scapegoats to divert popular fury for hard economic social conditions. 2. Herzl asked Czarist government to support the idea of a Jewish Homeland in Palestine but earnt a refusal. 3. I am not well informed but it seems to me that the Comunist government proposed at Versailles a solution for the Csarist bonds problem wiithout any result so the nullifying of the debt occured. Bonholders lost all their money due to the idiocy of the statemen gathered at Versailles but, as usual, followed the anti semite propaganda. 4. Western armies sent to support the WHITES against the REDS had to return without any result being defeated by the Red Army set up and commanded by Trotzky. 5. Poor Hermie; believing in the phantoms of Jewish cospiracies – Comunism, Zionism, etc. – damaged his mental health in order to need urgent help.

                  Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 1, 2015 @ 12:34 am

                • HCW: “So, wait, if the Czar’s ministers were pro-Zionist (thereby making the Czar himself pro-Zionist) why replace them? Weren’t the Zionists getting what they wanted? A hostile government that forced the issue of Jews leaving for Palestine?
                  Why replace that with a “puppet” that would improve the lot of Jews in the Soviet Union, thereby removing the impetus to leave?”

                  The Bolsheviks didn’t really improve the lot of the Russian Jews. They improved it by abrogating the Pale and the anti-Jewish laws, but they worsened it by attacking religious practices.

                  Just after the successful Communist February Revolution in Russia, the Jewish banking mogul Jacob Schiff, who vastly funded the Communist revolutions of 1905 and 1917 in Russia, suddenly regarded Communism as a threat to the survival of Russian Jewry and of its traditions, and he added that it was so “of paramount importance to establish in Palestine a spiritual and cultural centre for all Jewry”.

                  But the Communist threat to Russian Jewry didn’t nevertheless prevent the Boss of the Schiff Era from rewarding Russia for having just fallen into Judeo-Bolshevik hands.

                  HCW: “The Russians never occupied Palestine, the British controlled Palestine at the end of the war.”

                  A Golem or another, what’s the difference?

                  I already knew that. How could I forget Zio-puppet Churchill’s finest hour at Galipoli?😉

                  HCW: “The Russians never occupied Turkish lands, the British, French and Italians did.”

                  But Russia provided the main human and material resources for the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

                  The idea of using Russia and other European nations to crush the Ottoman Empire and capture Palestine was a pre-Herzlian Zionist idea.

                  HCW: “Better to have allowed Austria and the Sudetenland to cede with Germany and nip that problem in the bud before it became an issue.”

                  How could the Zionists have dragged England into a second world war if needed in that case?

                  Comment by hermie — November 1, 2015 @ 7:23 am

          • HCW: “I do agree that the breakup of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire was something of a disaster.”

            As Wilson was a puppet of Zionists, he couldn’t do less than that. Had he dismantled the Ottoman Empire alone, the real purpose of his WW1 and post-WW1 policies, i.e. the Zionist grabbing of Palestine, would have become too apparent…

            Comment by hermie — October 31, 2015 @ 7:21 am

            • Hermie! Learn history. The Ottoman Empire had been dismantlend by Great Britain – loocking for the oil fields – and France. Besides, Wilson did not care in any way about Jews. I an afraid that the phantom of “THE ZIONISTS” is already a problem of your mental health.

              Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — October 31, 2015 @ 9:27 am

              • wolf: “Hermie! Learn history.”

                Do you have a link to a free online version of the Book of Esther, so that i can learn ‘real history’?😉

                wolf: “The Ottoman Empire had been dismantlend by Great Britain – loocking for the oil fields – and France.”

                The Ottoman empire was shared by Britain and France. But it was dismantled by all the victors of WW1, including Wilson.

                wolf: “Besides, Wilson did not care in any way about Jews.”

                Not what his close friends Samuel Untermyer, Stephen Wise and Louis Brandeis believed…

                wolf: ” I an afraid that the phantom of “THE ZIONISTS” is already a problem of your mental health.”

                That’s probably because I’m writing a book about Zionism and the Holohoax. And that’s why I’ve been able to spank you with verifiable information about that on so many occasions.

                Comment by hermie — October 31, 2015 @ 8:46 pm

                • Hermie! Stephen Wise and Louis Brandeis simply did not realize that Wilson had been driven by the interest of the WASP finance and the loans granted to France and UK which would be problematic in the event of a German victory or a Reasonable Peace proposed by Pope Bendedikt.

                  Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 1, 2015 @ 12:40 am

                • Hermie! I hope to receive a free copy of the book You are writing. So we can go on with our nicities for each other.But I advise You in friendship to care more on mental health. Best.

                  Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 1, 2015 @ 1:34 am

                • wolf: “Stephen Wise and Louis Brandeis simply did not realize that Wilson had been driven by the interest of the WASP finance”

                  The poor humanitarian innocent Jewish finance blamed from the deeds of the evil WASP finance is a terrible tragedy. Another one, I know.😉

                  Wilson was the tool and puppet of Zionist leaders Stephen Wise, Louis Brandeis and Samuel Untermyer, not the other way round, history distorter…

                  wolf: “Hermie! I hope to receive a free copy of the book You are writing.”

                  You will.

                  wolf: “But I advise You in friendship to care more on mental health.”

                  Any guy opposing today’s Jewish hegemony and disbelieving the absurdities of orthodox history must have serious mental disorders, isn’t he? How could it be otherwise? Submission is sanity and rebellion is madness. All rulers have always depicted things that way. Burn the heretic right now !!

                  Comment by hermie — November 1, 2015 @ 7:37 am

                • I’ll read a copy of your book, Hermie. Post a copy on-line when you are done.

                  Comment by HCW — November 1, 2015 @ 11:47 am

                • OK. I will.

                  Comment by hermie — November 1, 2015 @ 6:14 pm

      • FDR was a warmonger. His policies led to US involvement in World War 2 – https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7486

        Comment by Les — October 29, 2015 @ 6:49 pm

        • Blah, blah, blech.
          FDR didn’t declare war on Germany, Hitler declared war on the US.
          Read a real history book.

          Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 8:27 pm

          • Note: I did not read the link above, have no opinion about whether FDR was a “warmonger”, and in general think it was unwise for Hitler to formally declare war on the US — but the relationship between Nazi Germany and Japan probably played a role there (treaties etc).

            FDR didn’t declare war on Germany

            But via various means under the umbrella Lend-Lease law, the US had been providing direct and significant material assistance to nations at war with Germany, including Russia after Hitler invaded and before Hitler’s formal declaration of war on the US. So one could say that in some ways, and practically speaking, one thing missing on the US side was a formal declaration — elements of war-making had been in place for some time.

            You fucking moron.

            Comment by eah — October 30, 2015 @ 10:32 pm

            • Japan and Germany did have a treaty but it was for defensive purposes only. If the U.S. had attacked Japan this would have triggered the declaration of war.
              Throughout the summer and fall of 1941 the Japanese repeatedly sought firm assurances that Germany would declare war on the US, however, Hitler and Ribbentrop avoided giving a firm commitment. At one point Hitler did appear to say that he would declare war, however, there was no written treaty regarding this.
              During the summer of 1941 there was an undeclared naval war between the U.S. and Germany, both sides did shoot at each other. Hitler actually showed remarkable restraint in not escalating this conflict in spite of the pressure to do so by his navy.
              When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor they also launched one of the best coordinated naval attacks in history. In addition to Pearl Harbor, within a day or so they launched successive attacks against British and U.S. possessions throughout the Pacific. Because of this attack the U.S. needed to withdraw elements of its navy from the Atlantic to the Pacific to counter this threat. As a consequence this eased the pressure on the German navy.
              FDR did not have the necessary votes to declare war on Germany. At that point U.S. attention was focused on Japan as the obvious threat. Hitler’s declaration of war was therefore an unnecessary act of madness, especially due to the fact that the Red Army was driving his army back from Moscow.
              So, why don’t you go FUCK yourself, you arrogant, pretentious, Nazi-loving, piece of shit.
              And go read a history book.
              Asshole.

              Comment by HCW — October 31, 2015 @ 7:15 am

              • HCW! In WWI Germany had been defeated for the professional and moral bancruptcy of Prussian Military Class. In WWII Hilter had been driven also by his ideology hostile to the USA-ANGLO SAXON Plutocraty-High Finance. Besides, so in WWI as in WWII reactionary intellectuals fuelled the propaganda for war. Those intellectuals for decades prepared and incited pubblic opinion to “struggle for the German Living Space” against heavy enemies..

                Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 1, 2015 @ 1:30 am

  3. They first sold their Holohoax to America with the Zionist Irgunist “We Will never Die” pageant. That was in early 1943. So I guess this Holohoax ballet is no surprise. The American public needs entertaining indoctrination. ‘Indotainment’ is a language average Americans can hear and enjoy and media Jews can speak fluently.

    Comment by hermie — October 28, 2015 @ 4:49 pm

    • Hermie, I actually took your advice and did some research on what you posted.
      http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/split.html
      Does the Jewish Virtual Library count?

      Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 5:46 pm

      • Sure that counts, as long as you don’t forget to consider the other major Irgunist pageant in America, ” A Flag Is Born”, in order to be able to see the big picture and understand the real purpose of those early Holohoax allegations.

        Comment by hermie — October 29, 2015 @ 3:32 am

  4. I can’t think of any good reason to go see something like this but I’m not a fan of the ballet.

    Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 2:55 pm

  5. they shoved the children and babies on top

    That’s a new one–did they wear white gloves to do that? — like the people in Japan who shove passengers into the trains.

    Comment by eah — October 28, 2015 @ 1:58 pm

  6. Why are so many of your comments so very nasty or at best snarky and inappropriate?

    “..Holocaust survivors now live the good life, which they earned by surviving the Holocaust?” Excuse me? Do you think in any stretch of the imagination that any Holocaust survivors who are in fact “living the good life” (while many remain and remained lower and middle class – do you seriously think that all or nearly all Holocaust survivors are living “the good life”??) did so by any other way than hard work? Any restitution agreements that have occurred have been VERY recent, and did not benefit any survivors for decades. Your wording and suggestions that these survivors “simply” survived an atrocious period of history with unimaginable suffering and death and since then are “living the good life” are absurd. I get that you’re not going over every sentence with a fine toothed comb, but you are writing a public blog, and statements like these are absurd, harmful, and even shameful.

    (Also, what is your problem with the idea that Mills may have been sitting on the cement floor to reflect on the horrors past, or that the center may bring chairs in for people who want to stay for some time and reflect? You note these possibilities yourself, so why your scathing attempt to rebuke his statement that he sat there?)

    I also find it interesting that while in another post, you strongly negate a survivor’s emotional response to seeing blue and green stains on the wall that she believed were caused by the poisonous gas – you even vehemently denied that any such stains existed – while these photos of the recreation do, in fact, show blue stains on the walls. While I do not know whether these stains would have been caused by the gas or some other cause, why you would vehemently deny in another post that such stains existed is baffling.

    I’m still unsure of the purpose of this blog, as I only came across it a few days ago, and some of your writing seems to be interested in the historical purpose of spreading true information about the Holocaust, while many other crude and nasty statements instead condemn survivors’ or other speakers’ accounts for the most minor inconsistencies, disregarding the fact that obviously this is an emotional topic for many, and especially for those who suffered unimaginable evils at the hands of fellow men and women – and whether they were at a camp for 5 months instead of 8 months, or say they were sitting in a location where they would have had to be sitting on the floor or to have had a chair brought in, does NOT detract from their memories or from the meaning or overall veracity of their statements. You do at times note possible explanations – such as that a chair would have had to be brought in or he had to be sitting on the floor – so why not just do this if you feel it’s important, instead of apparently suggesting that he was lying?

    Why make nasty, stupid statements like that a Holocaust ballet would only exist in a place where survivors “now live the good life, which they earned by surviving the Holocaust,” as though they just had a “minor inconvenience” of surviving mind-numbing atrocities and were afterward richly compensated, which could not be further from the truth?

    Comment by Halli — October 28, 2015 @ 11:03 am

    • The author of this blog is a Holocaust Denier who gives both sides of the argument.
      Most of the people that reply here are Holocaust Deniers. I myself am not, along with Wolf who is a Holocaust survivor. He is the son of the head of the Judenrat in Terezin so he has a unique perspective.
      I hope this helps. I no longer reply as much but I do poke my head in on occasion to see what is going on.

      Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 11:16 am

    • You have posted your comment twice. You seem to be new to this subject and you might not be aware that there are TWO SIDES to the Holocaust story.

      You might want to read this article, written by Mark Weber who is a JEWISH Holocaust revisionist. I heard him speak at a Revisionist Conference several years ago.

      This quote is from Mark Weber’s article:
      Begin quote
      At the end of the Second World War, the Allies confiscated a tremendous quantity of German documents dealing with Germany’s wartime Jewish policy, which was sometimes officially referred to as the “final solution.”

      But not a single German document has ever been found which even refers to an extermination program. To the contrary, the documents clearly show that the German “final solution” policy was one of emigration and deportation, not extermination.
      End quote

      http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_holocaust04.htm

      Keep in mind that America still has free speech. You are in a minority of two people in commenting on my blog.

      Comment by furtherglory — October 28, 2015 @ 12:03 pm

      • Always hilarious to see Holocaustian Worshippers discover there exists another side of The Story. I like seeing them go crazy.😉

        Comment by hermie — October 29, 2015 @ 6:39 am

        • There really isn’t another side of the story, Hermie. I go along with this in the spirit of free speech.
          I remember being shocked a few years ago when I happened across a link regarding Holocaust Denial. I didn’t know there was such a thing. Out of curiosity I clicked it and came across a whole new world. Bible Believers, David Irving, Arthur Butz, IHR, the whole six million thing after WWI, etc. You directed me to CODOH so that opened up another website. CODOH led me to Inconvenient History. The “Holocaust Handbook” series used to be included on my Amazon Prime account so I read some of those awhile back.
          So, do you want to know what I learned?
          Not a damn thing.

          Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 7:55 am

          • How could you not know about Holocaust Denial until relatively late in the history of the Holocaust? Holocaust denial started on the same day that the Holohoax started. As soon as Dachau was discovered and the gassing of prisoners was reported, there was another report done by an American army officer, named Dr. Charles P. Larson, which revealed that the bodies of prisoners that were exhumed showed no signs of poison gas being used.

            Comment by furtherglory — October 29, 2015 @ 8:09 am

            • Up until the age of the Internet Holocaust Denial was very much a fringe movement. They didn’t teach it in schools and most bookstores didn’t carry the books. I came across it while reading another article on line.
              What you are describing above is not Holocaust Denial.

              Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 11:13 am

            • HCW: “Up until the age of the Internet Holocaust Denial was very much a fringe movement.”

              Heliocentrism and spontaneous generation too, for centuries. The numerical argument is a fallacy. The billions of people believing in god(s) have never proved the existence of god(s) and they will never do. Being numerous doesn’t amount to being right.

              HCW: “What you are describing above is not Holocaust Denial.”

              It is for ‘German’ courts and today’s Holocaust narrative…

              Comment by hermie — October 31, 2015 @ 7:03 am

              • The Dachau gas chamber remains a subject of some dispute but no one claims large scale gassings at Dachau.
                The large scale gassing actions took place in Poland at the death camps. Those bodies were incinerated so no autopsies were possible.
                The deaths that occurred in the concentration camps in Germany at the end of the war were due to disease and starvation, not gassing. Autopsies conducted at that time proved the fact that those inmates died due to starvation and disease, not gassing. Proving cause of death is not the same as disproving the Holocaust, so, no, this is not Holocaust Denial.
                Hope this helps.

                Comment by HCW — October 31, 2015 @ 7:34 am

                • You are relatively new to my blog, so you may not realize that I have written many blog posts with the tag “Dachau gas chamber”.
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/dachau-gas-chamber/

                  The Dachau gas chamber comes and goes. The first time that I visited Dachau was in 1995 and at that time, there was a sign in the room which said that it was NOT a gas chamber. The last time that I was there in 2007, the room was claimed to be a gas chamber. In 19 countries now, you can go to prison for 5 years for denying the Dachau gas chamber.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 31, 2015 @ 1:11 pm

                • HCW: “no one claims large scale gassings at Dachau.”

                  Nobody STILL claims large gassings at Dachau. But large gassings at Dachau were a major part of the victors’ standard narrative when Dr Larson performed his autopsies and wrote his report, and it remained so for at least 15 years after that.


                  The Bonham Daily Favorite, Feb 26, 1960

                  HCW: “The deaths that occurred in the concentration camps in Germany at the end of the war were due to disease and starvation, not gassing. Autopsies conducted at that time proved the fact that those inmates died due to starvation and disease, not gassing.”

                  Tell that to the administrators of the Dachau camp-museum, not to me.

                  HCW: ” Proving cause of death is not the same as disproving the Holocaust, so, no, this is not Holocaust Denial.”

                  That was Holocaust denial, denial of that time’s Holocaust narrative. And that was also denial of today’s Holocaust narrative as Dr. Larson didn’t write “Autopsies revealed that a few inmates were gassed to death while most inmates died of stravation and disease.” Larson concluded that no inmate had been gassed to death, so contradicting today’s narrative about small gassings at Dachau.

                  Comment by hermie — October 31, 2015 @ 9:07 pm

              • FG:
                I’ve read your previous posts on Dachau’s gas chamber. The reason why I say “disputed” is that there are disagreements about whether or not there was an actual functioning gas chamber at Dachau and if it was used. Because of this I will say disputed until someone makes up their mind.
                Hermie:
                No one can agree when/if the gas chamber was used. Just because the autopsies found no evidence of gassing does not disprove that the Nazis didn’t gas anyone, it just means that the people autopsied did not die in a gas chamber.

                Comment by HCW — October 31, 2015 @ 11:58 pm

                • HCW: I am assuming that you have never seen the gas chamber at Dachau, and that you have never seen a real gas chamber, such as the one in Jefferson City, MO.

                  If you ever do go to see the Dachau gas chamber, prepare yourself so that you don’t burst out laughing and get arrested. You could be put on trial in Germany, even though you are an American citizen, and you could wind up serving 5 years in a German prison.

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 1, 2015 @ 7:23 am

                • HCW: “No one can agree when/if the gas chamber was used. Just because the autopsies found no evidence of gassing does not disprove that the Nazis didn’t gas anyone, it just means that the people autopsied did not die in a gas chamber.”

                  Yes, I know. Always the same shit with the Holohoax. Do I fail to see any elephant in my living room because I’m getting blind or only because the room is empty? Sometimes, an absence of evidence should be regarded as an evidence of absence, especially when such a thing is as recurrent and in fact systematic as it is with the ‘Holocaust’. The entire job of Holocaustians is to find ridiculous reasons explaining the lack of evidence for their claims and to turn inocuous stuff into alleged evidence for a mass murder.

                  Comment by hermie — November 1, 2015 @ 8:15 am

          • HCW: “There really isn’t another side of the story, Hermie.”

            If a gang of Zionists successfully crushing Britain’s Policy for the final liquidation of Zionism (i.e. the MacDonald White Paper of May 1939 planning the establishment of an Arab-dominated state of Palestine for March 31, 1949) by theatrically ‘demonstrating’ how tragic and unbearable Jewish national homelessness was (i.e. the Holohoax) on the other side of the Atlantic (i.e. the main designers of the New World Order’s maps after victory) isn’t another side of the ‘Holocaust’ story, I’ll eat my hat.😮

            Comment by hermie — October 29, 2015 @ 4:31 pm

            • Bon appetit.

              Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 6:33 pm

              • HCW: “Bon appetit.”

                Bad faith and self deception detected…

                Comment by hermie — October 30, 2015 @ 9:25 am

                • Would you like fries with your hat?

                  Comment by HCW — October 30, 2015 @ 10:18 am

                • You understand I’m just having a little fun, no offense intended.
                  As I once told eah, no one gets out of this life alive.
                  Humor is vital to get through life.

                  Comment by HCW — October 30, 2015 @ 10:21 am

                • That almost sounds like the title of that Jim Morrison book,”no one here gets out alive”.

                  Comment by Tim — October 30, 2015 @ 11:21 pm

                • HCW: “Would you like fries with your hat?”

                  I’d prefer a solid argumentation on how some Zionists making their case irresistible (as the British Labour Party put it in late 1944) through propaganda intoxication isn’t another side of the ‘Holocaust’ story.

                  HCW: “You understand I’m just having a little fun, no offense intended.”

                  That’s OK. No offense. Even less because I’m not the last one teasing others, including you.😉

                  Comment by hermie — October 31, 2015 @ 6:45 am

        • BTW, let me know if/when you ever get a chance to see Dark City. It’s a really good movie, better than the Matrix. I think as a European you will appreciate the dark symbolism. Watch the Director’s Cut if you can find it.

          Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 7:59 am

          • No way. The Matrix is badass. The only annoying thing about it though Keanu Reeves.

            Comment by Tim — October 29, 2015 @ 10:40 pm

            • I highly recommend Dark City, Tim. It came out the year before the Matrix.

              Comment by HCW — October 30, 2015 @ 6:36 am

          • Thanks for this reminder, HCW. I’ll have a look at Dark City very soon.

            Comment by hermie — October 30, 2015 @ 9:26 am

      • Furtherglory. In the essay I submitted I show the third side of the Holocaust history: The foolish policy of Western Powers. Pressing Democratic German government for huge financial reparation compelled to press heavily the already exhausted population, So Democrats lost crediblity and right wing groups got growing support until Hitler had been appointed as Chancellor. The destruction of Austria-Hungary Monarchie led to the economic and social desaster of Central and East Europe. I do hope You will offer my thesis for discussion among our friends on this site. Best.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — October 29, 2015 @ 1:35 pm

        • Can you e-mail the essay again? I am not sure which one you e-mailed to me. I will be happy to put it into one of my blog posts very soon.

          Comment by furtherglory — October 29, 2015 @ 3:24 pm

          • Furtherglory! Yesterday morning I e-mailed again the text of my essay which is a reply to many comments on various posts on this blog. So I hope the discussion can go on better. Best.

            Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — October 31, 2015 @ 2:20 am

    • I am pretty sure that visitors at Auschwitz are not allowed to sit on the floor in the gas chamber, and chairs are not brought in for visitors to sit. There are now 1.5 million people per year visiting Auschwitz. The visitors are shuffled through the gas chamber, as fast as they can walk, before their eyes have adjusted to the light.

      Comment by furtherglory — October 28, 2015 @ 12:16 pm

    • After you read the Jewish Denier read this:

      http://debunkingdenialism.com/2013/09/14/the-intellectually-barren-wasteland-of-holocaust-denial/

      Nizkor is an older site but it still has good information.
      Holocaust Controversies is also a good website, as is ARC and HEART. HC and ARC have issues with each other. ARC has good links to other sites.

      Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 12:25 pm

      • I read the article in the link which you gave.

        This quote is from the article:
        Begin quote:
        The claims in the Leuchter report have been debunked

        The Leuchter report is a pseudoscientific report on the gas chambers and crematoria of Auschwitz that Holocaust deniers frequently appeal to. However, this has been debunked several times before due to the many methodological flaws. Here are just a facts about the report (McVay, 1998):

        (1) Insects are more resistant to hydrogen cyanide than humans, so it is expected to find more Prussian blue in the delousing chambers than in the homicidal gas chambers. In other words, the results of the Leuchter report corroborates the mainstream historical account and not the beliefs of the Holocaust deniers. Furthermore, the homicidal gas chambers has been exposed to the elements in a way that most delousing chambers did not.
        End quote

        I wrote about Fred Leuchter on several blog posts, including this one: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/05/26/listen-to-what-a-gas-chamber-expert-had-to-say-about-the-holocaust-gas-chambers/

        Fred Leuchter had to be demonized and made into a fool by the Holocaustians because he was right.

        Comment by furtherglory — October 28, 2015 @ 12:53 pm

        • I have nothing against Leuchter personally, my issue has always been with his qualifications.
          I don’t believe he was qualified to determine if the Krema were gas chambers. Zundel should have found an architect and a chemist to do the study. Berg and Butz are engineers, why not contact them?

          Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 1:04 pm

          • ” Zundel should have found an architect and a chemist to do the study ! ” I bet they would have queued up to offer an expert opinion . Any expert giving evidence which cast doubt on the official narrative would have said goodbye to his/her career and would have probably ended up behind bars.

            Comment by peter — October 28, 2015 @ 5:02 pm

            • Both Butz and Berg are US citizens so no, no jail time. Butz continues to teach at a distinguished university and enjoys the protection of his tenure.
              Everyone knows Berg is batshit crazy and it hasn’t been a problem.

              Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 5:15 pm

            • I used Metapedia because I figured it was more up your alley.

              Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 5:30 pm

            • This is why Berg is crazy:
              http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/search/label/Berg

              Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 5:35 pm

            • I realize that HC is only one side on Berg’s craziness so:
              http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2015/volume_7/number_3/angry_sledge_hammer_revisionism.php

              Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 6:00 pm

            • I actually feel rather sad that I know about the stuff I posted regarding Butz and Berg. I didn’t realize that my curiosity would open those kind of doors when I clicked a link about Holocaust Denial. I now know far more about it than I ever wanted to.

              Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 8:56 pm

              • I am truly amazed that a person with your knowledge of history is a Holocaust True Believer. Have you personally visited any of the former concentration camps and seen the gas chambers? If not, you should start with Dachau, move on to Mauthausen, and then go to Auschwitz where you can see the gas chamber that was reconstructed by the Soviets.

                Dachau is close to Munich which is a great place to visit; Mauthausen is near a very beautiful town and Auschwitz is a historic town. You can see photos of the town on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Oswiecim/index.html

                When the history of an event requires laws to maintain belief in it, there is something wrong.

                Comment by furtherglory — October 29, 2015 @ 7:54 am

                • I’ve only been to Europe once and that was long ago, in 1989. I truly want to go back but as I have children and a career it may have to wait until retirement. The things you mentioned above are on my bucket list.

                  Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 8:07 am

                • I don’t want you to take this the wrong way but it is my knowledge of history that prevents me from being a Holocaust Denier. The Holocaust does not stand outside of history, there are too many instances throughout history of man’s barbarity towards man.

                  Comment by HCW — October 29, 2015 @ 8:28 am

                • HCW: “there are too many instances throughout history of man’s barbarity towards man.”

                  There are even more examples of peoples uprooted and displaced by others. Isn’t the alleged uniqueness of the ‘Holocaust’ supposed to teach us a moral lesson? That’s what Holocaustians and mass media always claim.

                  Comment by hermie — October 31, 2015 @ 6:51 am

    • inappropriate

      It’s good that you are here now, and can instruct us in what is appropriate and what is not. Please feel free to inform me if I make an inappropriate comment.

      Comment by eah — October 28, 2015 @ 2:01 pm

    • I would not take eah’s word on the whole inappropriate thing. He can be sensitive at times and there is hell to pay if you catch him at the wrong moment.

      Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 2:34 pm

    • Sorry, the comment above should be gender neutral as I don’t know if eah is a man or a woman.

      Comment by HCW — October 28, 2015 @ 2:36 pm

  7. Why are so many of your comments so very nasty or at best snarky and inappropriate?

    “..Holocaust survivors now live the good life, which they earned by surviving the Holocaust?” Excuse me? Do you think in any stretch of the imagination that any Holocaust survivors who are in fact “living the good life” (while many remain and remained lower and middle class – do you seriously think that all or nearly all Holocaust survivors are living “the good life”??) did so by any other way than hard work? Any restitution agreements that have occurred have been VERY recent, and did not benefit any survivors for decades. Your wording and suggestions that these survivors “simply” survived an atrocious period of history with unimaginable suffering and death and since then are “living the good life” are absurd. I get that you’re not going over every sentence with a fine toothed comb, but you are writing a public blog, and statements like these are absurd, harmful, and even shameful.

    (Also, what is your problem with the idea that Mills may have been sitting on the cement floor to reflect on the horrors past, or that the center may bring chairs in for people who want to stay for some time and reflect? You note these possibilities yourself, so why your scathing attempt to rebuke his statement that he sat there?)

    I also find it interesting that while in another post, you strongly negate a survivor’s emotional response to seeing blue and green stains on the wall that she believed were caused by the poisonous gas – you even vehemently denied that any such stains existed – while these photos of the recreation do, in fact, show blue stains on the walls. While I do not know whether these stains would have been caused by the gas or some other cause, why you would vehemently deny in another post that such stains existed is baffling.

    I’m still unsure of the purpose of this blog, as I only came across it a few days ago, and some of your writing seems to be interested in the historical purpose of spreading true information about the Holocaust, while many other crude and nasty statements instead condemn survivors’ or other speakers’ accounts for the most minor inconsistencies, disregarding the fact that obviously this is an emotional topic for many, and especially for those who suffered unimaginable evils at the hands of fellow men and women – and whether they were at a camp for 5 months instead of 8 months, or say they were sitting in a location where they would have had to be sitting on the floor or to have had a chair brought in, does NOT detract from their memories or from the meaning or overall veracity of their statements. You do at times note possible explanations – such as that a chair would have had to be brought in or he had to be sitting on the floor – so why not just do this if you feel it’s important, instead of apparently suggesting that he was lying?

    Why make nasty, stupid statements like that a Holocaust ballet would only exist in a place where survivors “now live the good life, which they earned by surviving the Holocaust,” as though they just had a “minor inconvenience” of surviving mind-numbing atrocities and were afterward richly compensated, which could not be further from the truth?

    On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Scrapbookpages Blog wrote:

    > furtherglory posted: ” You can read a news article about the ballet, which > was recently performed in Palm Beach, Florida here: > http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/news/local/full-evening-ballet-sheds-light-on-the-holocaust/nn8tq/#sthash.ZKZLhGkP.dpuf > Where else would”

    Comment by Lauryn Halli Slotnick — October 28, 2015 @ 11:02 am

  8. That ballet is a blasphemy as a Jew has to remember the victims and express thankfullnes for its own personal survival reciting the proper prayers. This applies in special manner to those who could make it to live in Florida or other sunnshined region.

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — October 28, 2015 @ 10:48 am

  9. The HORROR! And the lice didn’t like it, either.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — October 28, 2015 @ 10:40 am


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