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November 4, 2015

Jews to receive reparations for the agony of riding in box cars

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 8:49 am
French Jews were forced to ride in box cars like this to Auschwitz

French Jews were forced to ride in box cars like this to Auschwitz

Before the railroad tracks were extended into the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, the Jews got off the trains at the Judenrampe near the Auschwitz main camp.

The Judenrampe at Auschwitz where Jews got off the trains

The Judenrampe at Auschwitz where Jews got off the trains

Holocaust survivors deported from France can now apply for reparations

This quote is from news in the link given above:

Begin quote:

The [US] State Department began accepting applications Tuesday from Holocaust survivors, their spouses and heirs seeking compensation from the French government for the deportations of Jews and other prisoners to Nazi death camps aboard French trains.

Under an agreement reached between U.S. and French officials in December, the State Department will dole out $60 million paid by the French government. Holocaust survivors could receive more than $100,000 each, while spouses of deceased survivors could receive in the “tens of thousands,” depending on the number of claims filed, said Stuart Eizenstat, the State Department’s special assistant on Holocaust issues.

Eizenstat credited the advocacy of the late Leo Bretholz, a Holocaust survivor who lived in Baltimore County and protested Keolis rail bids in Maryland until he died last year at 93. Bretholz’s book, “Leap Into Darkness,” described his harrowing escape from a packed SNCF cattle car bound for Auschwitz in 1942, when he was 21.
In interviews with The Washington Post, Bretholz said the railroad needed to take financial responsibility for transporting prisoners under inhumane conditions.

“It’s important for one reason: Justice should be done,” Bretholz said. “When they [pay reparations], they admit they did something wrong — terribly wrong — sending people to be murdered.”

End quote

I have previously blogged, at least twice, about the inhumanity of the Nazis, who forced the French Jews to ride to the gas chambers at Auschwitz in box cars:

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/the-role-of-the-french-railway-in-the-holocaust/

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/the-boxcar-has-become-an-icon-of-the-holocaust/

The Holocaust survivors and their heirs will now receive reparations.

My 2005 photo of the door into a boxcar on display at Auschwitz

My 2005 photo of the door into a boxcar on display at Auschwitz

Train cars going to Auschwitz were coupled together like this

Train cars going to Auschwitz were coupled together

Young readers of my blog, who were not alive during the years of the Holocaust, may not be aware that many people in Europe, and even in America, were riding in boxcars — passengers trains were filled with soldiers on their way to the war front.

During the history of mankind, the Jews have been expelled hundreds of times from many different countries.  In my humble opinion, the Jews should be asking themselves why no one wants them, not asking for more and more money.

Tourists stand at the Judenrampe where the Jews got off the trains at Auschwitz

Tourists stand at the Judenrampe where the Jews got off the trains at Auschwitz

24 Comments »

  1. What a fine selection of vile comments. Anyone who can make comments such have been made on this page – triggered by the “why no one wants them” comment in the article are most likely beyond grasping any response I might make. No decent person with a shred of humanity wishes to listen to the Holocaust Deniers. Comments about the rights or wrongs of seeking compensation are not really just about this. As is clear from some of the above, such comments are often based on an already solidly formed set of ‘opinions’ – they are the tip of the iceberg that still lurks beneath Europe. Many people were traveling in box-cars? Perhaps but not with Auschwitz waiting the end of the line!

    Comment by Dominic Ó Ceallaigh — November 6, 2015 @ 10:53 pm

    • Oh please, Dominic – spare us all your righteousness and pomposity. We are weary of these so-called “survivors” who are always clamouring for attention and, of course, compensation. For goodness sake, get a grip on yourself, and wake up to realise that the second world war has been over for 70 years, and the “survivors” have had more than enough money and sympathy spent on them.

      Comment by Talbot — November 7, 2015 @ 7:17 am

    • Furtherglory, O Ceallaigh! In USA, and not only, commentators and historians ignore the deep roots in Middle Age ideas of Perfect Society and in hope for return of Emperor Federic II who would lead the war against the Turks conquerring Jerusalem of Nazism. And Jews could not be part of the Perfect Society. The doctrine of a German ruled Europe aimed to enslave other European peoples and the destrucion – extirpation of the Jews. As puritanism aimes a similar Perfect Society and USA founding fathers had been puritans so we have the negationism or revisionism widespread in USA, and also in UK.

      Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 7, 2015 @ 7:53 am

  2. Can you imagine that you are living in the year 1950, and you meet up with a group of people who say that they are receiving generous amounts of compensation money, on an ongoing yearly basis, for a traumatic period they endured for just a few years back between 1874 and 1880 . Most normal people would think this is ridiculous and an absolute outrage. But here we are, in 2015, with precisely that scenario – A 70 year, never-ending gravy train right before our eyes!

    Comment by Talbot — November 5, 2015 @ 10:59 am

    • Talbot! Delaying iussing laws providing payment of compensations aims to reduce the number of enend titled applicats. Indeed compensations if provided at war end would have been rieally helpfull for the survivors or relatives of victims. Now that is more a farce helpfull for negationist and ahti Semite propaganda rather than for needy survivors. A well known trick.

      Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 7, 2015 @ 9:40 am

  3. This story is the ‘Holocaust’ in miniature, a 2-step political and financial extortion. First, a group with specific interests promotes a useful story (real or imaginary, it doesn’t matter) and gains a widespread recognition of it. And after that, the promoters of that story or their associates come with political and financial demands based on that story. With the ‘Holocaust’, the whole idea was to demonstrate how tragic and unbearable Jewish national homelessness (i.e. the disease of Jewry in Zionists’ views) was and to get the logical cure for it from the victors of WW2 (i.e. the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine). Zionism had always claimed to be the only cure for the disease of galuth (dispersion), but the British and Arab resistance to the Zionists’ demands (especially the extravagant and rigid demands of the most fanatical elements within the Zionist movement) made a dramatical demonstration of the ‘tragedy of galuth’ necessary. The mortal countdown of the British “MacDonald White Paper” of May 1939, providing that the whole Palestine would be turned into an Arab-dominated state before March 31, 1949 (planned date for the termination of the British Mandate of Palestine), even made such a demonstration crucial and imperious.

    Comment by hermie — November 4, 2015 @ 8:46 pm

  4. Yup, what a scam! Heinz, our parents lost their homeland (Transylvania) now Romania, simply because they were of German ethnicity (Saxons)….victims of WWII! Long story on their hardships that will never be told as it hold no political substance here in the U.S. They came to America after living 10 years in displaced peoples camp in Austria (Post WWII) to start a new life with opportunity. They worked hard and never collected a penny from our government! They endured years of “agony” as well but moved on! Reading about Jews receiving reparations 70 years after their agony just makes me want to vomit! I guess it pays to the chosen ones! I digress!!

    From: heinzhb@gmail.com [mailto:heinzhb@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 11:01 AM To: Scrapbookpages Blog ; J&E Subject: Re: [New post] Jews to receive reparations for the agony of riding in box cars

    ah yes, the ‘gravy train’ just keeps on rolling! will it ever end? $60MIL at $100K each is 600 applicants, I bet they already know who’s getting fat off this scam.

    Comment by Martin Bartesch — November 4, 2015 @ 10:50 am

  5. One of things not mentioned is that Nazis stuffed these cars full of Jews and then often took days to reach their destinations. The Jews inside received very little water and practically no food. There were no provisions made for hygiene so the cars soon filled with excrement and urine. In other words the conditions inside were hellish and there were often large numbers of Jewish dead by the time they reached their destination.
    I doubt anyone who “rode the rails” faced this type of punishment.
    While I agree to some extent that it is ridiculous to keep paying reparations, especially to heirs, I feel that anyone who is alive who went through that is entitled to some compensation. Especially in cases where the person survived but lost everything due to being deported.

    Comment by HCW — November 4, 2015 @ 9:56 am

  6. FURTHERGLORY: 1 I feel that the very high figures shown in article have been misprinted typing some zeros more. 2. In centuries of European History Jews and been the scapegoats of the various tyrrans and robbed, expelled when not slaughred. Very often some time after those expulsions the Jews had been called to settle again. 3. Consider also the sermons of the many monks blaiming Jews for deicide, etc. 4. Consider also that voyage in owercrowded cattle cars in harsh conditions had been an agony. 5. As shown in my essay submitted but still not offered for discussion on the web side section of this site in about seventy years of European confclicts leading to WWI, WWII and the Holocaust Jews stood between hammer and ambis..

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 4, 2015 @ 9:22 am

  7. Many, if not most, Jews do in fact wonder, like Gilad Atzmon, why no one wants Jews – some even contrive to do something about it (like being nice), and some are quite effective at that.

    The ones demanding more money are the only ones you hear (about). They are a discredit to probably a majority of their co-religionists, most of whom likely keep their own counsel at risk of persecution by the zealots among their number. Either way, the ones making the noise are getting paid, and the rest are getting nothing. They deserve no blame, unless they actively support the ones making the noise. Most don’t.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — November 4, 2015 @ 9:16 am

    • Jett Bucker. 1. I feel that figures shown in article quoted are simply missprinted. 2. The Vichy regime had been a willing cooperator of the Nazis against the Jews. 3. Beside I wonder how many French Jewish survivors or their heirs can still submit application.

      Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 4, 2015 @ 9:32 am

      • their heirs

        The article isn’t 100% clear about the exact reason for the compensation — it says this:

        In interviews with The Washington Post, Bretholz said the railroad needed to take financial responsibility for transporting prisoners under inhumane conditions.

        If the money — seems it’s always about money, an apology is rarely enough — is for ill-treatment and suffering during transport, then “heirs” should not receive anything.

        Comment by eah — November 7, 2015 @ 7:50 am

  8. ah yes, the ‘gravy train’ just keeps on rolling! will it ever end? $60MIL at $100K each is 600 applicants, I bet they already know who’s getting fat off this scam.

    Comment by heinzhb@gmail.com — November 4, 2015 @ 9:00 am

    • Oh yes – you’re quite right, the holohoax gravy train roars on full steam ahead, without stopping – and it never will stop of course! They will keep thinking of lucrative scams to pull, in order to extort money out of nations, groups and individuals.

      Wouldn’t you have thought that after 70 years, more than enough compensation has been paid to these so-called “holocaust survivors”. There should have been a cut-off point, say, 25 years after the end of the war for claims, and after that only those with genuine physical and psychological injuries could continue to receive payments. But no – reparations are never-ending, because of course, these rascals have managed to convince the world that their trauma and upheavals during WW2 amounts to “the most horrific crime in the history of the world – unique in its scope and barbarity” – Bah!

      It’s interesting to note, that it is France who has been the victim of their scam this time. And, because of the strict laws regarding “Holocaust Denial” there, it makes it much easier for these international crooks to pounce on that nation and its legal system to obtain a favourable result for their financial demands. Conversely, these same laws make it impossible for the French Government and its citizens to publicly object, and fight against this blatant extortion racket against their national railway company.

      The moral of the story therefore, is; – Don’t for goodness sake allow “Holocaust Denial” laws to be passed in your country. Otherwise you are setting yourselves up to be fleeced over and over again.

      So there’s my message to you all, ladies and gentlemen – thank you, and good night.

      Comment by Talbot — November 4, 2015 @ 11:32 am

      • TALBOT! After WWII and for decades compensations – at the moment when this would have beeni really helpfull for victims – had not been even discussed by governments. Now,as possible applicants are at a minimum, governments pretend to be very kind. At any rate, figures quoted seem to be misprinted.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 7, 2015 @ 12:41 am

        • Oh my goodness – Wolf Murnelstein, you say that “possible applicants are at a minimum”. Well, back in the year 2,000 the Israeli government published a figure of 1,092,000 eager “holocaust survivors” who were eligible to receive bountiful amounts of compensation loot. And to be honest, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the numbers have increased since then, and not declined as the poor unfortunate “survivors” pass on from this world.

          Comment by Talbot — November 7, 2015 @ 7:06 am

          • I am amazed at the number of Holocaust survivors who have lived to old age. I attribute this to their meager diet, instead of overeating, and their mostly vegetarian diet including lots of turnips which I believe promote longevity. I am 82, and I am scarfing down turnips every day.

            Comment by furtherglory — November 7, 2015 @ 8:18 am

            • Furtherglory, Talbot! I myself am already 80 and one of the youngest still alive survivors and in past years many fellow survivors passed away. Figures shown seem to be clearly misprinted for negationist propaganda.

              Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 7, 2015 @ 9:50 am

              • Well, I wouldn’t have thought that an Israeli government source could be described as “negationist” – but still…

                Comment by Talbot — November 7, 2015 @ 10:21 am

                • Talbot! I said that figures quoted are at least misprinted.by careless journalists or so.

                  Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 7, 2015 @ 12:32 pm

                • Come off it Wolf – if it was a careless reporter who mis-quoted this figure, then the Israeli Information ministry would have corrected it right away. They wouldn’t let something like this pass into the public domain without official approval.

                  Comment by Talbot — November 7, 2015 @ 5:59 pm

            • I wouldn’t be at all surprised that Eva Mozes Kor, who runs the C.A.N.D.L.E.S Museum in the USA, has been chomping away on a diet of turnips over the decades. She is well in her 80’s now, although when she was incarcerated in the Auschwitz Hospital, she overheard Doctor Mengele gleefully informing his associates that she would be dead within two weeks. Now that is a true miracle of survival.

              Incidentally, the title C.A.N.D.L.E.S is an abbreviation for “Children of Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Lab Experiments Survivors”. But I think you will find that some mischievous holocaust denying “Haters” have renamed it “Crap And Nonsense Dummies – Liars Embellished Stories”.

              Comment by Talbot — November 7, 2015 @ 10:39 am

              • Eva Moses Kor had a twin sister who looked like a healthy normal child when she was photographed by the Soviets as she marched out of Auschwitz-Birkenau. In the same photo, Eva was seriously overweight; it was a mystery to me that she survived but her sister died soon after being liberated. Eva must have been eating a lot of chocolate, which Dr. Mengele loved to give to the twins.

                Comment by furtherglory — November 7, 2015 @ 2:02 pm

                • Are we absolutely certain that the picture of the children being brought out of Auschwitz is being led by Eva and her sister. She herself claims it is her, but does anyone know if that’s been verified.

                  If it is her, then trust dear old Eva to be in the front row – she’s always liked to be at the centre of a publicity stunt. In fact, this has made her a bit of a “bad gal” in the eyes of the holocaust industry. A few years ago she made a highly publicised statement forgiving Doctor Mengele for carrying out experiments on twins in Auschwitz. But, oh dear, this didn’t go down at all well with the brotherhood who run the industry.

                  They don’t care about Doctor Mengele, of course, or whether anyone forgives him or not; they are purely interested in making lots of lovely money out of the holohoax scam. But if “survivors” like Eva go around publicly forgiving the alleged perpetrators, then its going to much, much harder to get nations, institutions and individuals to cough up the compensation cash – because they might claim that the Nazis have all been forgiven for their transgressions and there is no further reason to pay out any more extortion money.

                  Comment by Talbot — November 7, 2015 @ 2:49 pm


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