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November 7, 2015

The story of Treblinka…transit camp or extermination center

My 19989 photo of the tiny village of Treblinka near the Treblinka camp

My 1998 photo of the tiny village of Treblinka near the Treblinka camp, taken during a light rain

Today, I  received an e-mail from Bradley Smith, telling me about the History Channel running  “Hitler’s Killing Machine” which is the story of Treblinka.

You can read all about Treblinka on my website, starting at

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Treblinka/introduction.html

I  visited Treblinka with a private tour guide in 1998 and I  have since written several blog posts about Treblinka, which you can read at

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/archaeologists-discover-tiles-from-the-walls-of-the-gas-chamber-at-treblinka-the-end-of-holocaust-denial/

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/was-treblinka-really-a-transit-camp/

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/treblinka-death-camp/

I have a whole section about Treblinka on my website:  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Treblinka/

You can read below what I wrote about Treblinka after my visit to the camp in 1998:

The road to Treblinka which is way out in the boondocks

The road to Treblinka which is way out in the boondocks

As you get near the village of Treblinka, there is a line of beautiful chestnut trees alongside the road on the right. You see old men walking along the road, carrying bundles of sticks on their backs. There are farm families digging potatoes and burning the dried potato vines in the fields.

Occasionally, you see a stork’s nest on a roof near the chimney, or a large ant hill at the edge of a forest, surrounded by a tiny log fence for protection.

There are old wooden Catholic churches and white cottages with thatched roofs along the road. Telephone poles are topped with glass insulators, the kind you see for sale in antique stores in America.

The farther you travel down this road, the farther you seem to go back in time.

Near Malkinia Junction, the road has ancient concrete barriers to prevent cars from leaving the road, and quaint old railroad crossing signs. From this junction, a branch railroad line runs south from the Ostbahn (Eastern Railroad line) to the village of Treblinka where there was a small train station in the 1940ies.

Finally, you get to a narrow archway over the road, the purpose of which is to keep vehicles larger than 2.5 tons from proceeding beyond this point. [The arch is shown in the photograph at the top of this page] .

One lane railroad bridge on the road to Treblinka

One lane railroad bridge on the road to Treblinka

Just before you get to the Treblinka camp, you must cross a one-lane railroad bridge that was formerly used by both trains and cars, but is now used [in 1998] only by cars and pedestrians.

According to Martin Gilbert in his book “Holocaust Journey,” this bridge was rebuilt some time after 1959; the bridge had been destroyed during World War II. The reconstructed bridge is shown in my 1998 photograph below.

One lane bridge over the Bug river, on the way to Treblinka

My 1998 photo of the one lane bridge over the Bug river, on the way to Treblinka

The surface of the bridge is made of wood and the train tracks are not level, which would cause any train using the bridge to list to one side. The tracks of the railroad lines in Germany and Poland were then, and still are today, a different width, or gauge, than the tracks across the eastern border of the Bialystok District in what used to be the Soviet Union, and is now the country of Byelorussia or Belarus, formerly called White Russia.

According to my tour guide, today [in 1998] trains from Germany or Poland must stop at the Bialystok eastern border and change to wider wheels which can run on the different gauge tracks in Russia.

In 1941, it was necessary for the German invading army to extend the standard European gauge tracks into Russia, as they advanced. The poor condition of the roads in Poland and Russia hampered the advancing Germany troops when their vehicles would become mired in three feet of mud. Three kilometers from Treblinka was located the main railroad line into Russia, through the Bialystok province.

After the joint conquest of Poland by the Germans and the Russians in September 1939, the river Bug (pronounced Boog) became the border between the German-occupied General Government of Poland and the Russian zone of occupation; then Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941 and conquered the strip of eastern Poland that was being occupied by the Russians. Treblinka is located in the former General Government.

On January 20, 1942, a conference was held in Wannsee, a suburb of Berlin, where plans were made for the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question.” Three extermination camps, called the Operation Reinhard Camps were planned at this conference. Treblinka was the last of the Operation Reinhard camps to be set up; the other two were Sobibor and Belzec.

All three of the Operation Reinhard camps were located on the western side of the Bug river. There is a bend in the river near Treblinka, which required a bridge over the river in order to get to the village of Treblinka, although the village is located on the western side of the border between the former General Government and the Russian zone of occupation.

Hardly more than a creek, the Bug is shallow enough in some places so that one can wade across it, and according to historian Martin Gilbert, some refugees, from both sides, did wade across.

The movie “Europa, Europa” has a scene in which Jewish refugees are shown walking toward the Russian sector, trying to escape the Nazis in September 1939 by crossing the Bug river on rafts.

End of quote from my website, written in 1998.

As a result of my 1998 trip to Treblinka, on which I was the only tourist there, I believe that Treblinka was a transit camp and that there were no gas chambers there.

77 Comments »

  1. I visited Treblinka last year. I must say the site, as with other such sites, raises more questions than answers. The entire “death camp ” is of course paved over by the Jews in concrete which prevents or at lest greatly hampers further digging and the use of ground penetrating radar (why is that?).

    I was also struck by the barracks (or at least the skeletons of the barracks) marked with names such as “family barracks” etc. if this was an “extermination camp”, why would the Germans bother to ensure families were assigned to family barracks and sorted by ethnicity, etc?
    Infirmiries, etc were also present. Why not detrain and murder, especially the sick, lame, lazy, blind, crippled, and crazy?
    Again, as with Majdanek, Sobibor, Belzec, and other such camps, visiting them in person only leads to skepticism at the official story

    Comment by Schlageter — November 8, 2015 @ 6:39 am

    • Schlageter: You highligt the dammage done by Shoah Business involved Polish government which consider those sites of tragedy only as a tourist attraction.

      Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 8, 2015 @ 6:50 am

      • Wolf, HCW.
        This is my e-mail address:
        brycesdaddy1105@aol.com
        I’d like to continue our correspondence about history, the Holocaust, etc.
        Let me know if you are on Facebook, you’ve mentioned in the past that you are.
        My actual name is Jeff.
        I think it would be easier to correspond this way without dealing with all of the interference.
        Let me know when you get a chance, you can reply here or send an email.
        Thank you,
        Jeff

        Comment by HCW — November 9, 2015 @ 9:59 am

    • I have a whole section on my website about Treblinka, which I put up after my visit there in 1998: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Treblinka/

      I don’t recall any barracks there, nor that the death camp was “paved over”. Has this been done since 1998?

      Comment by furtherglory — November 8, 2015 @ 9:20 am

      • Yes, FG, the Treblinka 2 area is an enormous concrete block with all sorts of stone memorials on top, making it impossible to dig.

        Comment by Schlageter — November 8, 2015 @ 12:31 pm

        • And you are correct, no barracks buildings there, only the slabs marking the spots (allegedly) where the barracks were, with markers next to each

          Comment by Schlageter — November 8, 2015 @ 12:33 pm

      • “paved over”

        The still from ‘The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax’ below shows a good deal of what looks like concrete, as well as lots of stones.

        Comment by eah — November 9, 2015 @ 12:40 am

    • Hey Schlageter, is there any neo-Nazi dick you won’t suck?

      Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 10:35 am

    • “family barracks”

      At the Eichmann trial, trial witnesses testified concerning Treblinka:… — among them Ya’akov Wiernik — he’s also mentioned in the video ‘One Third of the Holocaust’ — he was there, and made a model of Treblinka — in the English version (xlated from Yiddish) of the Eichmann trial testimony about Treblinka, the word “barracks” appears several times, eg:

      A. These are the barracks where we used to live, three hundred and fifty to four hundred men.

      It’s not conclusive, but one gets the impression from the testimony that the “barracks” served purposes other than to house families — eg living quarters for workers/men — the women were killed immediately — in several places this is stated explicitly.

      Infirmiries

      About the Lazarette it says:

      Q. What is this hut numbered 10?

      A. This is what they called the “Lazarette.” What was the Lazarette? They used to bring elderly people there, and underneath they put timber. They would seat the people on a bench, the back of their necks facing this way, and shoot them so that they would fall inside.

      Comment by eah — November 9, 2015 @ 12:14 am

  2. Two revisionist videos about Treblinka can be either viewed online or downloaded:

    One Third of the Holocaust

    The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax

    Comment by eah — November 7, 2015 @ 11:56 pm

    • the foundations for the original gas chamber

      Smithsonian Red-Faced after “Treblinka Star of David Tiles” Shown to be Not Jewish At All

      (Perhaps the phrase ‘ought to be’ is missing here — ‘Smithsonian Ought to be Red-Faced…’ — since it’s not clear if they were ‘red-faced’ or not.)

      The Smithsonian documentary showed Colls and her colleague Ivar Schute digging in a ditch and finding four pieces of ceramic tile…The narrator of the documentary then announces that “Dutch archaeologist Ivar has just uncovered an orange tile with a Star of David on the base.”…

      Unfortunately for the Smithsonian, Colls and Schute, the “Star of David” to which they refer is nothing of the sort.

      Firstly, the symbol—a six pointed solid star, with a dot in its center, surrounded by a circle, and with a clear “D” letter to its right, is imprinted on the back of the tile—which means that wherever it would have been placed, the symbol would have been cemented onto the floor, and would not have been visible…

      But, even worse for Colls, Schute, and the Smithsonian, the symbol which they all claim to be a “Star of David” is nothing of the sort…It is in fact a brand mark of the 125-year old Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory in Poland. That factory still exists,…

      Comment by eah — November 8, 2015 @ 12:36 am

  3. One of the memes reinforced through Hollywood and the decades is that Jews from Warsaw spent hours on the train without food or water to travel to the death camp at Treblinka in the notorious cattle wagon. The distance is actually 65 miles ie about 90 minutes in a goods train. If they were being murdered there it certainly wouldn’t have remained secret for more than an hour in Warsaw.

    Comment by peter — November 7, 2015 @ 1:50 pm

  4. A very clear analysis of the whole situation, well written and informative. Good job. The truth about Treblinka is exactly as you said or anyone with any questions about the place simply view Caroline Sturdy Colls tv documentary on the place. She is a paid holocaust promoter yet in her now infamous tv show she absolutely proved there was never any mass murder going on there. One can see this programme on youtube.

    Comment by Mr B — November 7, 2015 @ 12:47 pm

    • How odd, I’ve seen the program. She found the foundations for the original gas chamber, this actually proves the existence of the gas chamber. She also found human remains and items left from the executed….the items that the Germans didn’t feel worth looting from the dead.
      Are you sure you weren’t watching a video made by Jim Rizoli?
      My suggestion is that you watch it on the Smithsonian Channel.

      Comment by HCW — November 7, 2015 @ 1:04 pm

      • HCW: ” She found the foundations for the original gas chamber, this actually proves the existence of the gas chamber.”

        She found foundations, what only proves there was at least one building with foundations there, nothing else.

        HCW: “She also found human remains”

        Unfortunately not at Treblinka 2…

        Comment by hermie — November 7, 2015 @ 8:51 pm

        • Unfortunately Hermie I can’t view the video, it’s been blocked in my country.

          Comment by HCW — November 7, 2015 @ 9:31 pm

          • HCW: “I can’t view the video, it’s been blocked in my country.”

            Isn’t that what people with the truth on their side and mountains of evidence to prove it, always do?😉

            The video is entitled “The Treblinka Archeology Hoax”. You should be able to find on the internet a version of it not yet blocked by the worried liars of the Establishment and theirs censors.

            Comment by hermie — November 8, 2015 @ 5:55 am

            • edit: archaeology instead of archeology.

              Comment by hermie — November 8, 2015 @ 5:58 am

              • Actually it was blocked for copyright reasons

                Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 10:23 am

                • HCW: “Actually it was blocked for copyright reasons”

                  This is a classic. Youtube is full of copyrighted material used by everybody and anybody, but it is a problem only for the ‘inconvenient’ videos. As long as the administrators of Youtube won’t come with an infringement called “Deleted because disliked by Zio-Oligarchy” (i.e. never), they will hind behind copyright infringements and similar excuses.

                  Comment by hermie — November 9, 2015 @ 6:06 pm

  5. Yes, absolutely – Treblinka was a transit halt for Jews before they were sent on to work camps either in Poland itself, or within the occupied Soviet Union.

    I was there myself in 2012, and the bridge across the River Bug has been rebuilt into a two-lane highway crossing. A stork nesting on the top of a chimney in Treblinka village brings back memories. Back then, I still basically believed the official story of a “death camp” – but not any more!. My suspicions were even aroused during the visit itself. There were no signs for the Treblinka camp from the main Warsaw-Bialystok highway – which I thought was very strange. After all, Treblinka is advertised by the holocaust industry as the largest mass-murder cemetery in the world. Surely there would be signs to help pilgrims and visitors reach the place.

    The second thing that caught my notice was that the site itself is not in a particularly remote location – which we were always told it was, because the Nazis were carrying out a top-secret extermination program there. It certainly lies in peaceful, rural countryside, but certainly not “remote”.

    The third aspect which struck me, was how short a distance the actual site was from the entrance to the public highway. There was not much forest to walk through in order to reach the site. Obviously the SS didn’t worry too much about security.

    But the final thing that raised my doubts, was the signs pointing to Treblinka 1 and Treblinka 2. It was like when you see something and you know immediately at the back of your mind that something is wrong. The “death camp” is merely Treblinka 2, while Treblinka 1 was a forced labour camp that served a large sand and gravel quarry further along the former railway track. I thought – that can’t be right, the Nazis would build their “death camp” far away from any other industrial activity or habitation. They wouldn’t establish such a secret, murderous, facility right alongside a railway line in which trains pulling waggons and supplies regularly passed by, and with workers and camp personnel constantly coming and going.

    So, that was beginning of the fall of Treblinka for me.

    Comment by Talbot — November 7, 2015 @ 12:27 pm

    • I guess you didn’t take into account how much things change in 70 years. Do you think the site is the same as it was during the war?
      During one of FG’s posts it is mentioned how remote the site is, this convinced FG that the camp was a transit camp.

      Comment by HCW — November 7, 2015 @ 1:07 pm

      • Yes, I did take into consideration how things can change in 70 years. I studied the aerial photos of Treblinka taken after the camp had closed in 1944 and just after the war. It is clear that there are more trees and woods around the site today, than there were back then, and of course the surrounding area was much busier than it is today.

        The nearby town of Malkinia was a “change of gauge” railway junction, so you can just imagine how bustling it was with troops heading to and from the Eastern Front. And quite literally, every item of supplies, arms, ammunition, guns and tanks had to change trains there. This would mean that the adjacent countryside would be given over to tented billets, barracks, temporary military staff offices, horse stables, even possibly hospitals for the wounded.

        In addition, the railway line from there to Treblinka and points south (which is closed today) was busy as a secondary supply route into Malkinia. But not only that, Treblinka itself was a local railway junction itself, because Google Earth shows not only the former heavily-used spur line running up to Treblinka camp’s 1 and 2, but also the alignment of a disused track which leaves Treblinka northwards, then curves westwards – crosses over the River Bug – before joining the main line to Warsaw. This enabled trains bound to and from the Polish capital to by-pass congested Malkinia, and pull in at Treblinka directly.

        So to my mind, Treblinka was not a remote place at all back during the war years.

        Comment by Talbot — November 7, 2015 @ 3:49 pm

    • You wrote: “There were no signs for the Treblinka camp from the main Warsaw-Bialystok highway – which I thought was very strange. After all, Treblinka is advertised by the holocaust industry as the largest mass-murder cemetery in the world. Surely there would be signs to help pilgrims and visitors reach the place.”

      When I went to Treblinka in 1998, there no signs for Treblinka on the road from Warsaw to the camp. I thought that this was very curious. However, there were numerous signs directing drivers to Bialystock.

      I though that Bialystock must be very important, so I looked it up and then wrote this blog past:

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/the-fate-of-the-bialystok-ghetto-children-who-were-sent-to-theresienstadt/

      Comment by furtherglory — November 7, 2015 @ 1:52 pm

    • Mr.Talbot
      I give you here a brief translation from the book “Der Ort des Terrors”. which is not available in English, page 407, Author Wolfgang Benz:
      Treblinka, the largest and most perfectly organized of the three extermination camps as part of “Operation Reinhardt” was from July 1942 to August 1943 an operational murder site. During this time, some 900,000 Jews and thousands of Gypsies were killed there, so that Treblinka was measured by its short existence, with its personnel of about 25-35 men, German and Austrians from the “Euthanasia”-T4 and 100 to 120 “Trawnikis” of Ukrainian nationality, usually as their assistants, the most efficient killing machine the world has ever seen. At the end of April and early May 1942 the site was established and in mid-June the facilities were ready for use. On July 23, 1942 Treblinka began the cynically rationalized mass murder. On August 19, 1943, the last convoy drove onto the ramp. On 17 October, all the traces had been be erased
      Selected as a place that was built up for the sole purpose, where hundreds of thousands of lives perished , there is no other expression as a “Death factory” or “killing center”, as they signal the helplessness in the face of organized technocratic, bureaucratic system the Holocaust machinery could have managed. All functions in a confined area of the extermination camp were so co-ordinated that the highest efficiency seemed assured in the murder on a massive scale.

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — November 7, 2015 @ 7:24 pm

      • I enjoy a voice of sanity.

        Comment by HCW — November 7, 2015 @ 8:34 pm

        • So do I – HCW – but I don’t think Mr Stolpmann has provided us with that voice.

          Comment by Talbot — November 8, 2015 @ 6:17 am

          • Herbert Stolpmann has his own blog here: http://dachaukz.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html

            Comment by furtherglory — November 8, 2015 @ 9:58 am

            • Thanks, furtherglory, for the link.

              It would appear that Herbert Stolpmann was an inmate in Dachau, but it is unclear exactly where and when. He claims to have spent no less than 10 years in the SS hospital there!. But all we can say to that is – “I hope you recovered well from your ailments.”

              But with due respect to Mr Stolpmann, the concentration camp at Dachau had nothing whatever to do with any “holocaust”, so therefore he personally cannot help us in our quest to find the truth of this mysterious disappearance of 6 million Jews There were no gas chambers at Dachau, or any mass killing operations – while at Treblinka it is alleged that up to a million souls were gassed by diesel exhaust fumes.

              So alas, Mr Stolpmann can only provide us with second or third hand evidence – and that, I’m afraid, is not good enough.

              Comment by Talbot — November 8, 2015 @ 11:09 am

          • He’s certainly saner than a lot of voices I see here.

            Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 10:25 am

            • You seem to be some kind of psychiatrist HCW – do you get many deluded holocaust believers calling in at your surgery ?

              Comment by Talbot — November 8, 2015 @ 11:19 am

              • Deluded Holocaust deniers? No, they are generally hopeless cases.

                Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 12:40 pm

                • After watching the video of the Treblinka Archaeology Hoax above, I consider that any remaining pretence of the site being a “death camp” has been comprehensively demolished. I think poor old HCW is going to have to abandon Holocaustianity now, and stick to Psychiatry instead.

                  Comment by Talbot — November 8, 2015 @ 4:57 pm

              • I don’t think so, Talbot. To do that I’ll have to admit that Fred Leuchter actually has credibility, which he doesn’t. I’ll also have to admit that people that make crappy videos have credibility, which they don’t.

                Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 5:15 pm

      • @Herbert Stolpmann

        I note that the author – Wolfgang Benz – describes Treblinka as “the most efficient killing machine the world has ever seen”. Does he describe in detail the process of mass killing, because I am at a loss to get my head around the concept of diesel fumes being fed into chambers from captured Soviet tank engines – or even submarines!

        Comment by Talbot — November 8, 2015 @ 6:13 am

        • Mr. Talbot
          The reference to my blog may have given you a wrong impression. I was NOT an inmate at Dachau KZ, rather worked for the American Armed Forces since May 1945, first as a POW, and was after several camps eventually transferred to Dachau and lived as a free civilian which was once an SS-Hospital, where the massacre took place in the coal yard. I did in my time there meet former inmates as well discharged SS-men, which gave me the idea to translate and blog about former Concentration Camps, including Treblinka, which you can read at your convenience, it is available on the internet.
          Your assumption that I can only provide you with second or third hand evidence might be correct, yet this applies to all statements that are made of events that took place during those dark times, as one of the readers of this forum calls this period of history.

          Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — November 8, 2015 @ 7:53 pm

          • I beg your pardon Mr Stolpmann, I didn’t quite understand your situation. Good for you, that you decided to record details of concentration camps, former inmates, and SS men for posterity. It is important that as much information is collected as possible, so that future historians and researchers can arrive at the facts and truth about, what you rightly call, “those dark times”.

            You mention a massacre by the SS in the coal-yard at Dachau. Has this event been verified as factual and true, or is it just hearsay which has been handed on from mouth to mouth. It could be that the SS were carrying out “legitimate” executions of prisoners who had been condemned to death by the wartime courts.

            Comment by Talbot — November 9, 2015 @ 4:24 am

  6. Treblinka. Sobibor, Majdanek had been set up in the Lublin area as Death Camps where inmates from Ghettos and some deportees from other European countries arrived and died in the Gas Chambers; only few had been selected to perform some work or for the Sonderkommando. See what Stangl, commander first of Sobibor then of Treblinka told in interview Gytha Sereny. Furhtemore; when hanolding the opinion that Treblinka and other Death Camps had been Transit Camps You ought to answer the question; Transit from where to which other destination. There had not been any further destination.

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 7, 2015 @ 12:22 pm

    • I wrote about Gitta Sereny and her interview with Franz Stangel on this blog post:
      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/07/14/the-death-of-gitta-sereny-author-of-a-book-about-franz-stangl-the-commandant-of-treblinka/

      Comment by furtherglory — November 7, 2015 @ 12:52 pm

      • I read your post about Stangl.
        In it you said that there was a law against Holocaust Denial in Germany so Stangl could not claim that the Jews were not murdered but instead transported to the East.
        If I am on trial for murder and I have the choice of going to prison for life or defending myself and possibly being charged with Holocaust Denial and getting a lesser sentence, what would be the smart move? Especially if I was innocent of wrong doing and could prove my innocence?
        If I am convicted of murder and I am innocent, wouldn’t I say that to the person that interviews me afterward? Why would I care about being charged for violating a law against Holocaust Denial if I already have a life sentence for murder? What are the German authorities going to do, force me to go through another trial?

        Comment by HCW — November 7, 2015 @ 3:15 pm

        • HCW: But at time – about 1970 – there had been any law in Germany against Holocaust Denial or only against Nazi propaganda in general?

          Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 8, 2015 @ 2:53 am

          • I really don’t know, Wolf. FG brought it up. But I think in Stangl’s case it meant absolutely nothing.

            Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 10:38 am

        • about 1970

          Volksverhetzung — the law against ‘inciting racial hatred’ in Deutschland was first enacted in 1985 — ‘Holocaustleugnung’ is usually prosecuted under this law.

          Comment by eah — November 8, 2015 @ 3:40 am

        • HCW: “If I am on trial for murder and I have the choice of going to prison for life or defending myself and possibly being charged with Holocaust Denial and getting a lesser sentence, what would be the smart move?”

          And if you’re on trial and you have the choice of going to prison for life because you’ve denied one of the victors’ most crucial “facts of common knowledge” in court or of going to prison for a few years because you’ve told the victors’ narrative like a good obedient servant, what would be the smart move? Germany is very critized for her soft sentences at the ‘Holocaust’ mock trials of the 1960’s and 1970’s.

          False confessions occur almost daily. Get used to that…

          HCW: “If I am convicted of murder and I am innocent, wouldn’t I say that to the person that interviews me afterward?”

          You wouldn’t if your silence was part of the deal for a soft sentence and if breaking it would send you back to prison in the minute. That, assuming Stangl indeed said what Sereny claimed he said. His suspicious death in prison only 19 hours after the conclusion of his interview with Gitta Sereny looks so convenient. Once again very fishy story.

          Comment by hermie — November 8, 2015 @ 6:23 am

          • Herr Hermeenie, HCW: Stangl had had a hearth struke and had at last rest from his painfull records. His interview shows how easy it had beeno turn t a normal man in part of the murder engeene. And USA daily chronicle shows us how easily a normal police man, exceeding in law enforcing action, can become a murder. The SS had been very fast in shooting and more and more police men are going on the same way. Stop all the fault looking puritan questioning and learn the lesson of history before time will be over.

            Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 8, 2015 @ 7:06 am

            • The recent police blunders in America now prove that the ‘Holocaust’ took place!?! You’re so desperate to prove your point that nothing is too ridiculous for you, aren’t you? Funny…

              Comment by hermie — November 8, 2015 @ 7:46 am

              • Herr Hermie! The way the SS had been easy in shooting and brutalility is quite similar to the behaviour of too many USA police men. In USA people should learn the lesson of history. This shows how easily certain conditions can occure again. That is all. .

                Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 8, 2015 @ 8:32 am

                • HCW: “The way the SS had been easy in shooting and brutalility is quite similar to the behaviour of too many USA police men.”

                  But the WASPs of America are not exterminating their home negroes in top secret giant gas chambers nevertheless. Just as with the SS and the Jews during WW2 in fact. Good example after all…😉

                  HCW: “In USA people should learn the lesson of history.”

                  They do. Don’t worry. Their home Jews feed them with Zionist Holohoax atrocity propaganda day and night. Today’s Americans would rather cut their own hand off than touch a single hair of their hooked-nose undisputed masters…

                  Comment by hermie — November 8, 2015 @ 9:05 am

              • Oh, Hermie, I didn’t say about bit about US policemen and the SS, Wolf did. I just wanted to point that out.

                Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 6:49 pm

                • Sorry for this mistake, HCW. I was aware that I was talking to wolf. But I’m so accustomed to answer your comments that I typed your name almost automatically.

                  Comment by hermie — November 9, 2015 @ 1:05 am

          • Um, his sentence was life in prison, not 48 hours in the drunk tank. West Germany did not have the death penalty.

            Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 10:27 am

          • I don’t think I was clear, Hermie.
            Stangl received a life sentence for murder. West Germany did not have the death penalty so he couldn’t get the death penalty. So, even if there was a law against Holocaust denial in 1970 (which according to eah there was not) there was nothing the West Germans could do to him.
            As far as the soft accusation that Sereny had something to do with Stangl’s death………………I really don’t know what to say about that except that if you believe that perhaps you need to spend some quiet time reflecting how ridiculous that is.

            Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 6:45 pm

            • My previous comment was not about Stangl. I was talking Holo-trials.

              About Stangl, it’s good to know that he was waiting for the appeal of his case when he died. So his sentence doesn’t necessarily contradict my hypothesis about deals for lighter sentences. A deal involving a lighter sentence as the verdict of an appeal has nothing wacky or amazing in itself.

              HCW: “As far as the soft accusation that Sereny had something to do with Stangl’s death”

              I didn’t say that Sereny killed Stangl. I was talking about the Mossad finishing the job or something like that.

              Comment by hermie — November 9, 2015 @ 1:23 am

              • My mistake about Sereny, sorry.
                I don’t think anyone murdered Stangl, why bother?

                Comment by HCW — November 9, 2015 @ 5:24 am

                • HCW: “I don’t think anyone murdered Stangl, why bother?”

                  To prevent any possible future recantation by a ‘big fish’. As a kind of unofficial death penalty.

                  Any public recantation by ‘big fish’ such as Hoess and Stangl would have been devastating for the orthodox narrative, which is mostly based on the trust people put into testimonies. The Zionist lobby couldn’t afford that risk.

                  Comment by hermie — November 10, 2015 @ 2:49 am

                • I wrote about Franz Stangl on my blog at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/franz-stangl/

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 10, 2015 @ 6:12 am

  7. From what I can tell it’s actually showing on the Smithsonian Channel, that is channel 570 on Directv.

    Comment by HCW — November 7, 2015 @ 11:27 am

  8. The site has been developed a great deal since 1998. There is now a gas chamber, but I do not believe it is currently operational.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — November 7, 2015 @ 10:11 am

    • I wrote about the discovery of a gas chamber at Treblinka on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/archaeologists-discover-tiles-from-the-walls-of-the-gas-chamber-at-treblinka-the-end-of-holocaust-denial/

      I think that the Nazis would have gassed the Jews in Warsaw, if they had wanted to gas them. To me, it doesn’t make sense to take people way out into the boondocks to gas them in some primitive gas chamber.

      Comment by furtherglory — November 7, 2015 @ 1:01 pm

      • I’m pretty sure the Nazis didn’t want to advertise what they were doing to the whole world or even to the Germans back home. There were protests over the euthanasia program in Germany.
        There is also the consideration of how the Jews would react to the knowledge that instead of resettlement they were being gassed. Why give the ghetto residents a reason to fight instead of quietly going to their deaths?

        Comment by HCW — November 7, 2015 @ 3:04 pm

      • FURTHERGLORY: Installation and operating of “gassing facilities” in a city area had been simply impossible, nor was necessary secrecy possible. In USA You are not right aware about the Shoah scene. Review better those things.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 8, 2015 @ 7:13 am

        • Why was it impossible to put “gassing facilities” in a city area?

          In America, there was a gas chamber in the middle of Jefferson City, MO which was 25 miles from where I lived as a child. A gas chamber requires a very tall smoke stack, about 40 feet high, which the Jefferson City gas chamber had. The gas chambers at Auschwitz did not have smoke stacks, which Fred Leuchter says are positively necessary, but what does he know?

          When I was a child, I heard about the gassing of prisoners by the Nazis, and I thought that they were being gassed two at a time, just like in Jefferson City.

          Comment by furtherglory — November 8, 2015 @ 9:26 am

          • The death penalty is utilized to put to death people whose crimes are heinous enough to deserve it….and even then people protest its use. The Germans didn’t want the outside world to know they were gassing innocent men, women and children whose only crime was being Jewish.

            Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 10:32 am

          • What smokestacks were used when delousing rooms? Why doesn’t delousing “require a very tall smoke stack”?

            Comment by blake121666 — November 8, 2015 @ 5:56 pm

          • Furtherglory! Consider the difference between a “place of lawfull executions” of death sentences which ofter turn out to have been pronounced wrongly by Juries driven by racial prejudices in trials lead by his dishonour so and so and mass murder sites – Death Camps with Great Gas Chambers and anexed Crematoria. – where hundred thousand of victim passed. A place of lawfull executions has no the secrecy problems which the Nazi sites of mass murder had had. In USA You have problems in realizing the conditions of those times of darkness.

            Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 9, 2015 @ 7:17 am

            • The “secrecy problems” were about things that never happened. For example, the gas chamber at Theresienstadt was a “secret” because there was no gas chamber. It was only a rumor, which was not true.

              Comment by furtherglory — November 9, 2015 @ 8:31 am

              • Furtherglory! As I have already explained, at Theresienstadt the works to build a Gas Chamber had been started. Works had been stopped at order of SS General and Reichsminister Karl Hermann Frank. Indeed the Elder Murmelstein endangered himself facing the Commander telling about allarming rumors among inmates which could provoke an attemplt of mass flight. The Commander went to Prague and returned after three days with the order to stop worls which only SS General Karl Hermann Frank had authority to give. The Little Fortress Commander – Hoess – admitted the design of the Gas Chamber while Ghetto Commander Rahm spoke about a safe warehouse. Benjamin Murmelstein had been considered a reliable withness in Rahm trial.
                In Death Camps the Gas Chamber had been built before the arrival of the victims. At Theresienstadt things had been a bit different.
                I ma frankly fed up with all the fault searching objections and questions about dark times I mysefl and all other survivors passed through.
                Hitler rose on power and started his racist programm while USA and UK considered the growing discrimination and first violences as “Internal affairs of Germany” and then the Holocaust occured..

                Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 9, 2015 @ 10:06 am

                • And I have already explained, in two blog posts, that there was NO HOMICIDAL GAS CHAMBER at Theresienstadt, but there could have been a gas chamber for the purpose of killing lice in the clothing of the prisoners. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/theresienstadt-gas-chamber/

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 9, 2015 @ 1:39 pm

                • FURTHERGLORY. Not even Commander Rahm in Court spoke about a delousing facility to be built but about a bomb safe warehouse. Noteworthy that he did not catch the opportunities offered in the evidence given by Murmelstein for self defense. I believe that doing so he would have to speak about the responsability of some SS officers who managed to escape and would have been able to act against his family at Vienna. So Rahm prefered to tell only non sense and face death sentence.

                  Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 9, 2015 @ 2:48 pm

        • wolf: “Installation and operating of “gassing facilities” in a city area had been simply impossible, nor was necessary secrecy possible.”

          Except at Majdanek/Lublin and Dachau…😉

          Comment by hermie — November 8, 2015 @ 9:58 am

          • Majdanek was located very close to a major highway; the gas chamber building was visible from the highway, and people passing by could see the prisoners lined up for selection. Now it is known that only 59,000 Jewish prisoners died at Majdanek, of all causes.

            The gas chamber at Dachau comes and goes. Now you see it and now you don’t. If you live in Germany, don’t be reading my website or my blog, or you could wind up in prison.

            Comment by furtherglory — November 8, 2015 @ 10:24 am

      • furtherglory: “I think that the Nazis would have gassed the Jews in Warsaw, if they had wanted to gas them.”

        That’s what Zionist propagandists claimed in December 1941.

        Comment by hermie — November 8, 2015 @ 7:55 am

        • Herr Hermie! Many thanks for showing this report; an excellent historical source. Best.

          Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 8, 2015 @ 8:36 am

          • If the gross Zionist atrocity propaganda of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA) is to be regarded as a collection of reliable reports, this is indeed an excellent historical source.

            Comment by hermie — November 8, 2015 @ 9:19 am

            • Herr Hermie! Thanks for providing this information.

              Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 9, 2015 @ 7:22 am

        • I’ve looked, I can’t find any additional information on this. Chelmno became operational on December 8th, 1941 but there is nothing to indicate that Jews from Warsaw were sent there.

          Comment by HCW — November 8, 2015 @ 7:02 pm


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