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November 13, 2015

What happened to “aged persons” at Theresienstadt?

On my blog post today, I am answering a comment made by Wolf Murmelstein; he wrote the following:

“I remember the Saturday of September 1942 when the Nazis came in Vienna Home of Jewish aged persons enlisting all of them for deportation…”

The implication, in this comment, is that the aged persons were taken to Theresienstadt where they were killed in the gas chambers, which Wolf believes were in existence at Theresienstadt.

Several years ago, I wrote, on my website, about the elderly persons who were sent to Theresienstadt.

The following information is from this page on my website:  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/CzechRepublic/Theresienstadt/TheresienstadtGhetto/GhettoTour/Tour09.html

By the time that the Nazis started deporting the Jews from Germany, there were less than 200,000 of them left in the country; all the others had already emigrated to escape the Nazi persecution.

Forty percent of the remaining Jews in Germany were over 60 years old, as the children and young people had been the first to leave. After Austria became part of the Greater German Reich in March 1938, the Jews were forced to emigrate to any country that would take them, and only 15,000 old people were allowed to remain.

All of these elderly Austrian Jews were deported to Theresienstadt where their mortality rate was the highest of all.

Hoenelbe barracks at Theresienstadt

Hohenelbe barracks at Theresienstadt

Between Parkstrasse and Wallstrasse on the east side of the former Theresienstadt ghetto is the Hohenelbe barracks shown in the photograph above.

This was the central hospital for the Jewish inmates in the ghetto. There were public baths, showers and a swimming pool located here. The building included a kitchen which prepared food for the hospital patients.

Behind this building is a large bastion jutting out from the town walls which you can get a glimpse of on the extreme left of the photo above. Located between the walls of the bastion was the Kavalir barracks.

This area served as the processing center for incoming inmates in 1942, and the original reception center was converted into a warehouse where clothing taken from the incoming prisoners was stored.

Later, the Kavalir barracks was used to house the very old prisoners and also prisoners brought to Theresienstadt from the Jewish insane asylums in the Greater German Reich. Some of the insane people were placed in locked cells in the basement where they had to sleep on bare stone floors. In September 1942 Jewish inmates of the Berlin Home for the Blind were put into the Kavalir barracks.

I have a map of Theresienstadt, which shows the location of all the barracks, on this page of my website:  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/CzechRepublic/Theresienstadt/TheresienstadtGhetto/GhettoTour/Map.html

11 Comments »

  1. If they were such assholes towards the Jews ,why would they be concerned with giving them a hospital?

    Comment by Tim — March 14, 2016 @ 5:49 pm

  2. FURTHERGLORY, TALBOT: Commenting the case of the old German woman convicted for neo-nazi propaganda (in the form of Holocaust denial) I simply remembered how the aged Jews of Vienna had been driven to deportation in September 1942 and visitors present that Saturday afternoon had been selected to be deported too. At Theresienstadt the aged persons dweeled so in the Kavalier barack as in many other buildiings. Many passed away so for the bad conditions as for their age. However at Jannyary 1945 Eichmann and staff could note that the death rate had not been high enough and in order to fasten our destruction they ordered to adapt in a strange way without written design – only oral instructions a room inside the wall As at the arrival at December 1944 of a group from Slovakia first allarming news had arrived the destination of that room inside the wall seemed dangerous. At a certain momnent the Elder Benjamin Murmelstein – after havin left instructions for the case of his arrest – faced the Commander who spoke vaguely about a bomb safe warehouse but then left for Prague. He returned after three days with the order to stop works which only SS General Karl Hermann Frank had authrity to give; he tried to reach a personal dealing with the Allied and wanted to use Theresienstadt. From the statement in People Court of SS Captain Heinrich Joecke in People Court that Gas Chamber had been aimed also to exterminate the political prisoniers. Noteworthy that Commander Rahm at trial did not mention his trip to Prague where he obtained the order of SS General Frank to stop works although the key withness Murmelstein mentioned this. I believe that he feared revenge on his family at Vienna when speaking about the responsability of Eichmann and staff members who managed to escape at war end. So he spoke always about the phantomatic bomb safe warehous.
    Noteworthy not even he spoke about delousing and similar non sense. Indeed the Nazis could consider the lice as usefull instrument for povoking mortal deseasesm among inmates.
    That old German neo nazi woman certainly will live better her last years than the aged deported Jews.
    Today events at Paris show that rules against Holocaust denial and other racist hatred spraying ought to be harder. . .

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 14, 2015 @ 2:04 am

    • @Wolf Murnelstein

      In your lengthy reply, you still haven’t told us where you think the “homicidal gas chamber” stood inside Theresienstadt. All you seem to suggest that it was built in “a strange way without written design, with oral instructions to build it inside a room in the wall”. Well – where precisely? This is nowhere near good enough evidence to convince anyone that a gas chamber existed – or was even planned.

      And you say that Eichmann and his staff noted that the death rate was not high enough. But where is your evidence for that. What day in January 1945 did they note this, and where did the meeting between himself and his staff take place?

      You also say that “the Nazis could consider the lice as a useful instrument for provoking mortal disease among the inmates”. But did the Nazis really consider this – or is it just your imagination that you’ve allowed to run wild?

      I knew you old holocausters wouldn’t be able to resist using the latest Paris terrorist outrage as part of your story. But what happened in France yesterday has got nothing to do with the events of WW2 over 70 years ago.

      Comment by Talbot — November 14, 2015 @ 8:06 am

      • nothing to do with the events of WW2 over 70 years ago

        It does in the sense that white nations — obviously Germany especially — have been guilt-tripped into accepting mass unsuitable non-white immigration — and Holocaust-shaming has been a part of that.

        Comment by eah — November 14, 2015 @ 8:28 am

      • You wrote: “you still haven’t told us where you think the “homicidal gas chamber” stood inside Theresienstadt. All you seem to suggest that it was built in “a strange way without written design, with oral instructions to build it inside a room in the wall”.

        I have written a new blog post which will explain the “room in the wall.” There was a double brick wall around Theresienstadt and according to Wolf Murmelstein, the gas chamber was to be built between the two walls. Wolf is not the only person to claim this. I was writing about this on my website before Wolf wrote this.

        Comment by furtherglory — November 14, 2015 @ 8:42 am

  3. So where does Wolf Murmelstein claim that the “gas chambers” stood in Theresienstadt?. Because this is not part of official holocaust dogma. Does he think they were located near the Jewish crematorium and cemetery which lies off to the right of the town ghetto plan?

    Comment by Talbot — November 13, 2015 @ 12:20 pm

    • I don’t know where Wolf claims that the gas chambers were located, but I wrote about the location of the gas chambers on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/gas-chamber-at-theresienstadt/

      Comment by furtherglory — November 13, 2015 @ 12:37 pm

      • FG – the last paragraph in your above blog post does seem to be the mostly likely explanation as to how the “gas chamber” myth grew up around Theresienstadt. The war was nearly at an end, and rumours and hearsay of what was likely to happen to all the inmates was probably rife. In addition, the Germans were in the process of building another de-infestation chamber to deal with a typhus outbreak – and also an increase in population due to an influx of refugees from the east.

        Comment by Talbot — November 13, 2015 @ 1:30 pm

  4. Let your readers know of the Bielski Brothers of the movie Defiance those WWII Macabees who saved 1237 Jews, the old, the young, the infirm with arms and guts and today there are perhaps 25000 Jews counting the third generation including my grandkids. I Yakov Bielski son of Zus

    Comment by bellskee — November 13, 2015 @ 12:14 pm


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