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November 17, 2015

Was Krema IV at Auschwitz-Birkenau a homicidal gas chamber?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 11:31 am
Krema IV at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Krema IV at Auschwitz-Birkenau

One of the regular readers of my blog wrote the following in a comment:

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I’ve always been intrigued by the structures inside Birkenau called Krema 4 and Krema 5. Does anyone know what these facilities were really used for? The idea that they were homicidal gas chambers and crematorium ovens doesn’t make a lot of sense. After studying the blueprints for their design and viewing the available photographs – and then trying to match these to the holocausters accounts, it is clear that they are all at sea in trying to give a plausible story-line.

Could they have been small factories or workshops making component parts for munitions, such as detonators etc.?

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After visiting Auschwitz-Birkenau twice, and seeing the former locations of Krema IV and Krema V, I came to the conclusion that these buildings had gas chambers for the disinfection of the prisoner’s clothing. It was the location of these gas chambers which caused me to believe that they were used to disinfect the clothing of the prisoners, not as homicidal gas chambers.

Krema IV was located near the building called Canada where prisoner's clothing was stored

Krema IV was located near the building called Canada where prisoner’s clothing was stored

My photo above shows the location of the building called Canada and the location of Krema IV right next to it.

Krema IV was located just north of the clothing warehouses, which were in a section that the prisoners called Canada. Across the road from Canada was the Central Sauna which had a shower room and disinfection chambers where the prisoners’ clothing was deloused. Krema IV had a shower room which was alleged, by the Holocaustians, to have been a gas chamber.

What a strange location for a homicidal gas chamber — right next to the clothing warehouse called Canada.

The ruins of Krema IV right next to the location of the clothing warehouse

The ruins of Krema IV, right next to the location of the clothing warehouse

According to Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, in their book entitled The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It? the Krema IV and Krema V buildings were each 220 feet long by 42 feet wide.

The Krema IV building was completely demolished, blown up with dynamite which several women prisoners stole from the factory where they were working. All the bricks were removed by Polish civilians after the war, and the ruins that visitors see today are a reconstruction, according to the Auschwitz Museum.

The prisoners who worked in the crematory buildings, removing the bodies of the victims who had allegedly been gassed, were members of a special group called the Sonderkommando. According to Dr. Miklos Nyiszli,  who was allegedly a prisoner who did autopsies at Birkenau, each Sonderkommando group was killed after a few months and replaced by a new crew.

Knowing that they were soon going to be killed, the members of the next-to-last Sonderkommando revolted and blew up the Krema IV building. A sign at Krema IV says that there were 450 prisoners who were killed by the SS during the revolt or afterwards in retaliation.

Strangely, the men in the last Sonderkommando group were not exterminated. Around 100 of them were marched out of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp when it was abandoned by the Nazis on January 18, 1945.

Several members of this Sonderkommando group survived and three of them gave eye-witness testimony at the 1947 trial of Auschwitz Commandant Rudolf Hoess, about how the prisoners were gassed at Birkenau.

Ruins of Krema IV with the ruins of Krema V in the background behind the trees

Ruins of Krema IV with the ruins of Krema V in the background behind the trees

 

The building called Canada was allegely burned by the Germans as they left Birkenau

The building called Canada was allegedly burned by the Germans as they left Auschwitz-Birkenau before the Soviet soldiers arrived

Why would the SS men at Birkenau have burned up the clothing warehouses?  I don’t think that they did.

The photo above is a still photo from a movie made by Henryk Makarewicz, a soldier in the Polish Berlin Army, shortly after the Birkenau camp was liberated. The clothing warehouses were still burning, and in the background can be seen two chimneys. The chimneys of Crematorium IV or Crematorium V might have been still standing after the buildings were blown up.

Samuel Pisar, a survivor of Majdanek, Auschwitz and Dachau, was a prisoner in the Birkenau camp at the time that Crematorium IV was destroyed.

In an article in the Washington Post, published on January 23, 2005, Pisar wrote that Crematorium IV was set on fire. The following quote is from his article:

I also witnessed an extraordinary act of heroism. The Sonderkommando — inmates coerced to dispose of bodies — attacked their SS guards, threw them into the furnaces, set fire to buildings and escaped. They were rapidly captured and executed, but their courage boosted our morale.

Crematorium IV was across the road from the beautiful red brick building, called “die zentrale Sauna” which was used for disinfecting the clothing and for processing the incoming prisoners. Crematorium IV was also near “the little white house,” where gassing operations took place, starting in June 1942, before Crematorium IV and the Sauna were completed.

In the movie Schindler’s List, women prisoners are shown exiting from the shower room in the Sauna building; they see the high brick chimney of Crematorium IV, which is across the road from the Sauna. The gas chambers in Crematorium IV and Crematorium V were above ground, although in the movie, the prisoners are shown going down steps into an underground undressing room.

 

12 Comments »

  1. The plans for ” krema4 ” from the impeccable source Nizkor show a ” einascherungsanlage ” which is an incinerator.
    Plans for Krema 2 and 3 were labelled as krema.
    Maybe this was designed as an incinerator for dirty material as found in all modern hospitals, This would fit.

    Comment by peter — November 17, 2015 @ 11:19 pm

    • Einäscherungsanlage

      Did this facility have cremation ovens designed for human corpses, eg like the ones from Topf & Söhne found in other A-B buildings?

      The firm Topf & Söhne does not exist anymore — instead the former administration building is an Erinnerungsort — the web site under that name also: Topf & Sons — the Oven Builders of Auschwitz.

      Topf & Söhne — die Ofenbauer von Auschwitz

      In einer Muffel ließ die SS drei bis fünf Leichen verbrennen. Waren die Ermordeten ausgemergelt oder handelte es sich um Kinder, konnten es bis zu acht sein. So war es möglich, an einem Tag in den Krematorien II und III jeweils etwa 2 500, in den Krematorien IV und V jeweils etwa 1 500 Leichen zu verbrennen.

      Here it says the SS stuffed 3 – 5 bodies in one oven (muffel) at a time — for the emaciated and children, up to 8 bodies could be cremated at once — this way they could cremate thousands of corpses per day — on this page they make no specific claim re how long such a cremation took — for the Hungarian Jews, or any group ‘selected’ for immediate gassing, it’s assumed we’re talking about mostly normal sized adults, of normal weight — a thoughtful person may wonder if this claim is reasonable — if it was technically possible to do this.

      Im Sommer 1944, als täglich bis zu 9 000 Menschen ermordet wurden, war die Verbrennungskapazität der Öfen jedoch nicht mehr ausreichend. Die SS ließ die Leichen zusätzlich in Gruben verbrennen.

      In the summer of 1944, they killed so many people per day that they had to burn them in pits. Where were these pits? Has any forensic work been done on them? If you view eg David Cole’s video about Auschwitz, you see there were only wire fences at A-B — so if this was done in the camp, it would have been visible to many inmates (all they had to do was venture outside a barracks) — many of whom were either evacuated later, or liberated by the Russians — ie they were all witnesses.

      Comment by eah — November 18, 2015 @ 2:40 am

      • I saw the ruins of Krema V in 2007 when I visited what is left of Auschwitz-Birkenau.

        I wrote the following on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsV.htm

        “Gassing in Krema V began in the summer of 1943. The crematory ovens in Krema IV and Krema V broke down almost immediately and the bodies had to be burned in pits, located north of the Krema V building.”

        I assume that these were not Topf ovens; the Topf company would have replaced the ovens if they had broken down.

        Comment by furtherglory — November 18, 2015 @ 8:01 am

        • I assume in ” krema ” 4 and 5 there were a couple of large mechanical incinerators each ; which were larger than the Topf and Soehne cremation ovens found in Krema 2 and 3 .
          These were obviously not up to the job as described and frequently had technical problems. I doubt that anybody was ever cremated in krema 4 and 5.

          Comment by peter — November 19, 2015 @ 10:11 am

  2. On reflection, I think you could be right FG – Krema’s 4 and 5 have got something to do with the cleaning, disinfecting and delousing of clothing brought in from the adjacent “Canada” section where they were sorting out the clothes of new arrivals. These facilities were probably also used for the routine laundry of blankets, bedding, underclothes, and uniforms for both staff and inmates.

    After studying the Birkenau plan, as well as Google Earth, one can readily see that this section of Birkenau was the hygiene, laundry and bathing area of the camp. Not only does “Canada” stand nearby, but also the “state-of-the-art Sauna – and even the hospital block.

    It was always the double chimneys that left me puzzled though, because they do look vaguely sinister, and thus one can easily fall into the holocausters fantasy-narrative of thousands of bodies being burnt. But of course, these furnaces were needed to incinerate the mountain of discarded clothes, bedding, shoes and other materials that could not be re-cycled. We have to remember that not only did these facilities serve the vast Birkenau complex – with its inmates coming and going all the time – but also the extensive network of 37 sub-camps, including Monowitz. (I maybe wrong, but Auschwitz main camp probably had its own laundry and hygiene facilities ).

    It is quite difficult for us today to take on board the sheer size and scale of this cleaning, hygiene and de-infestation work – which had to be carried out on an ongoing, almost industrial basis.

    Comment by Talbot — November 17, 2015 @ 3:55 pm

    • Kremas 4 and 5 have got something to do with the cleaning, disinfecting and delousing

      It’s quite possible there are a few people still alive today (think about eg the Groening trial) who could explain exactly what went on in these buildings. But the problem is that, depending on what they said and where they said it, they could be committing a crime.

      Comment by eah — November 18, 2015 @ 2:11 am

  3. I think people should get the straight dope from those that researched the site.
    My League of Extraordinary Revisionists were there and have the facts.

    To see all the interviews I’ve done so far with them go here..
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAWHJWVFQFJSqkEyDuy35JQ/videos

    Jim Rizoli
    CCFIILE.COM

    Comment by jrizoli — November 17, 2015 @ 1:19 pm

  4. 99% of these eyewitnesses are complete frauds!
    Like I said too many different and varied stories. Some say 10,000, 20,000, 40,000 killed per day…..ok then how did you cremate them all????
    Some say people had clothes on when is gas chamber, hair on heads, etc…..others say they went in nude clean shaven. Some say gas came out of water pipes, some others say zyclon B thrown in from roof. Some say three to five bodies per crematorium some say one. Some say they were thrown in alive some say no.
    Some say dead bodies were black and blue scientific forensics says they would of been bright pink. Oh Vey!
    I could go on and on and on……….There needs to be one solid way things happened, but there isn’t one because it didn’t happen.

    Jim Rizoli
    CCFIILE.COM

    Comment by jrizoli — November 17, 2015 @ 1:14 pm

  5. When they can come up with a real live picture of a homicidal gas chamber let me know.
    I’m reading Wihelm Staglichs book The Auschwitz Myth, excellent book as it shows all the nonsense that is said to happen.
    All the key eyewitnesses have a different story to tell, you wouldn’t know if your coming or going with all the B/S after reading this book.
    But again hes just showing us the problems with the Holocaust Story. If this was a court case presented to a jury the holocaust story would be deep sixed pretty quick and those promoting it would be run out of town on a rail.
    The pro holocaust narrative is just too unbelievable to swallow and the contradictions go on forever. If that is what floats you boat than good luck with that one. I tend to come down to reality and look at facts for what they are NOT what you want to believe they are.
    Bottom line ….the holocaust is the biggest scam that ever come down the pike, and the bigger the lie the more people will believe it.

    Jim Rizoli
    CCFIILE.COM

    Comment by jrizoli — November 17, 2015 @ 11:57 am

    • I saw your interview with Fred Leuchter who is the world’s only gas chamber expert. Anyone who still believes in the Holocaust gas chambers should listen to what Fred said about gas chambers. I also saw your interview with Germar Rudolf. Anyone who thinks that Fred is not an expert on gas chambers should hear what Germar said.

      Comment by furtherglory — November 17, 2015 @ 1:09 pm

  6. ‘ According to Dr. Miklos Nyiszli, who was allegedly a prisoner who did autopsies at Birkenau, each Sonderkommando group was killed after a few months and replaced by a new crew.’ For what purpose would any autopsy serve? If you accept that people were gassed to death what is there to find out? The others died of shooting, disease etc all of which were well known to the authorities. As usual the holocaust narrative is chopped down as it should be, to a bunch of made up hokum to serve only the jews and their purpose of establishing a total jewish and apartheid state called israel.

    Comment by Mr B — November 17, 2015 @ 11:50 am


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