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November 23, 2015

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Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , , , — furtherglory @ 8:49 am

I am fresh out of ideas on what to blog about, so today I decided to check out the blogs written by other people.  I found an interesting blog at http://mygrandparentsholocaust.blogspot.com/

The title of this blog is My Grandparent’s Holocaust.

My blog has no title because I write about anything and everything, although mostly about the Holocaust.

The writing on the “My Grandparent’s Holocaust” blog is excellent.

The following quote from the blog, cited above, will illustrate what I mean by “excellent” writing:

Begin quote:

My Grandparents’ Holocaust

For years, my grandparents had kept the stories of their Holocaust a secret. However, I was determined to uncover the memories of their past. Since 2006 I began documenting their lives and writing a book of narrative nonfiction: My Grandparents’ Holocaust. This blog will feature excerpts from the book and related stories.

By nightfall, the train crawled out of the station.

“Chana. Esther. Mama,” Leon shouted in vain.

The sappy smell of pine combs curling off the winds from the river and the intoxicating aromas of acacia were masked in the cattle car by diarrhea. The locomotive was a dark and crowded tomb. Now and again the train stopped and the doors slid open. Gunfire exploded. The doors closed and the train crept forward again. Sometimes the doors would not open; the bullets entered through the openings above.

Leon slinked through the mass of bodies to the bars on the window. He reached down to his waist and carefully removed a long sliver of wire that he had worn like a belt. Leon coiled the wire around his left hand and slipped the wire through the barred window overhead. Wrapping it tightly around his other hand, he dragged the thin cord back and forth against one bar for hours.

The heat, even at night, was unbearable. Thirst poured through the wagon. Bodies slumped against one another. There was no room to fall. Even the dead stood.

Leon noticed that the wire cutting through his palms was also cutting through the cage; but the train was nearing Treblinka. The sobs and prayers intensified. Others buried faith right there in that cattle car.

Then the bar gave out.

He looked around the cattle car once more for his family, but the darkness consumed everything.

As quickly as his tired arms allowed, Leon tied the cord back around his waist, hoisted his frail frame up through the hole, and slithered halfway through the opening. Every vein in his arm pumped violently. His entire body shook. Draped from the window of the cattle car, ten feet from the moving ground, Leon felt unequipped to handle the fall. If the drop did not end his life, the machine gunner atop the roof could. But entering Treblinka was certain death. This moment, hanging from the cattle car like a blanket drying, he at least controlled. Leon inched the rest of his body through and in one motion launched himself from the cattle car, tumbling into the night over shards of ground.

In a Polish field somewhere between Otwock and Treblinka, Leon Lederman watched as the train crept toward the gas chambers with his mother, father, and four sisters inside.

Life had taken a new purpose—some way, there would be vengeance. There was no choice now but to return to Karczew. He was seventeen years of age.

End quote from another person’s blog

Train that took prisoners to Dachau appears to have narrow openings

Train that took prisoners to Dachau appears to have narrow openings on the side of a boxcar

 

Famous photo of a Gypsy girl named Settela Steinbachj on a train to Auschwitz

Famous photo of a Gypsy girl named Settela Steinbach on a train to Auschwitz

The photo above proves that there were small openings in the cattle cars that took the Jews to the death camps. But was Treblinka really a “death camp”?

I believe that Treblinka was a “transit camp.”  I blogged about Treblinka being a transit camp on this blog post:

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/was-treblinka-really-a-transit-camp/

 

43 Comments »

  1. FURTHERGLORY, COMMENTATORS! Reading comments on this and many other post I note a puritan fault searching attitude so as a serious lack of respect for basic human feelings of pain and sorrow. But no one is able to explain where the great East Europa Jewish comunity disappeared and no one wonders how just Germany – once land of poet, thinkers and scientists – could become the center of a highly organized genocide action aimed to exxtirpate Jews and Gypsies and enslave Poles and Russians; other peoples should have been vassals of Great Geramny. Unlike other populations Jews for centuries had been able to record the history of persecutions suffered and so the few survivors too often faced the question “how did you survive”; for many of them very painfull to recall that when jumping from the train they had to leave relatives behind. In USA and elsewhere there is a great lack of knowledge of history, demograohy, geography and economic problems of Europe. Only so I can explain the problem shown above.

    Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — November 24, 2015 @ 9:08 am

    • You wrote: “Unlike other populations Jews for centuries had been able to record the history of persecutions suffered”.

      Why have “other populations” not been persecuted, but Jews have been persecuted? Is it something that the Jews have been doing for centuries that has caused them to be persecuted? Why is the word Jew used as a verb? Is the word German used as a verb?

      Comment by furtherglory — November 24, 2015 @ 9:23 am

      • Other populations did suffer persecution. The Hugeunots in France, the Moriscos (Muslims) in Spain, the Catholics in England, the descendants of the African slaves in the United States, the Native American populations in North and South America, etc. all suffered persecution, deportation, forced conversion and death.
        BTW this is a very short, incomplete list. It is not only Jews that faced persecution for their belief system.

        Comment by HCW — November 24, 2015 @ 9:43 am

        • What is the “belief system” that caused the Jews to “face[d] persecution”? Is it because the Jews believed that Jews were the only humans and all others were the “goyim” who were not human, so it was O.K. to lie to them, cheat them and steal from them?

          Comment by furtherglory — November 24, 2015 @ 9:51 am

          • Sorry, I was not clear.
            Jews practice Judiasm, a religion based upon a series of beliefs.
            As for the rest, those are simply stereotypes, like all Irishmen are drunks, all black people are lazy, all Poles are stupid, etc. etc.

            Comment by HCW — November 24, 2015 @ 10:01 am

      • For centuries – from Emperor Constantine on – Jews had been discriminated and banned for many trades and arts and compelled to pursue money lending and other works dismayed by so called noble men.Besides, Jews had been the prefered scapegoats for any tirrany to divert popular fury. Expulsions had been the opportunity to confiscate or buy at bargain price Jewish assets. Under uppression no one can behave in gentleman like way! I wonder where You learnt about Jews and Judaism; certainly not srudying Jewish history. You perform a great work about details of the Holocaust but without studying Jewish history and the European General History; a serious lack. In German the word Jude is only a name and not a verb.

        Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — November 24, 2015 @ 10:25 am

    • wolf wrote: “FURTHERGLORY, COMMENTATORS! Reading comments on this and many other post I note a puritan fault searching attitude so as a serious lack of respect for basic human feelings of pain and sorrow.”

      Emotional bullying is so much easier than reasoned debates, isn’t it?😉

      wolf wrote: “But no one is able to explain where the great East Europa Jewish comunity disappeared”

      It’s not because you dislike and dismiss any alternative explanation that nobody is able to explain where the great Jewish reservoir of Eastern Europe WENT. The dissolution of that secular reservoir and its transfer to Palestine was the avowed goal of Zionists. No need to play astonishment when that goal was reached. Zionists won WW2 after all…

      Can anybody explain where the Jewish community of Burma ‘disappeared’? 80% of Burmese Jews had ‘disappeared’ in 1945 (2,500 Jews before WW2, 500 Jews after WW2). But nobody even postulates that the Japanese troops mass murdered Jews during their occupation of Burma. For instance, according to the Jewish paper ‘Fax de Jérusalem et du monde juif’ (http://phdnm.org/uploads/3/0/0/1/3001973/birmanie_juifs.jpg), “Most of them left the country and went to neighboring India during the Japanese occupation [of Burma] between 1940 and 1945” and “Only 500 of them came back to Burma after the war.” The paper is only able to claim that “Since 1948, over 700 Burmese Jews migrated to Israel.”

      Want an example in Eastern Europe? In 1920, there were 43,209 Jews in Bulgaria. In 1946, there were 44,209 Jews there. But only 6,027 Jews still lived in Bulgaria in 1956. In 2010, their number had dropped to 2,000. So the Jewish community of Bulgaria was divided by a factor of 21.6 in less than a century, without the use of fictional gas chambers was even needed to explain that fall.

      Rather than coming with the fallacious question usually asked by Holohoaxsters, people should rather ask: Why the hell would a Jew of Poland or Czechoslovakia have come back to, or remained in, a land where he was hated, at a time when he was given the opportunity to go to a place like the sunny beaches of Florida or Tel Aviv? One has to concede that such a choice would have made very little sense.

      Comment by hermie — November 24, 2015 @ 8:01 pm

      • hermie! you are training bevome a successor of Eichmann who too started with tricked statistical material,

        Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — November 25, 2015 @ 6:36 am

        • wolf: “hermie! you are training bevome a successor of Eichmann who too started with tricked statistical material,”

          Tell that to Zio-wikipedia. I’ve brought official statistics from a Jew-owned website especially for you. I thought you would be happy with such sources. My own viewpoint about population statistics is rather: “There are lies, damned lies and statistics.”

          Comment by hermie — November 25, 2015 @ 6:50 am

  2. I’d like to know how it is that Jews have accumulated such a huge storehouse of stories about their experiences. Every other day some new story comes up. This is contrary to the experience of those who have suffered similar disasters, where the stories taper off after a few years. The point is if the Germans were such efficient killers, how did so many survive and recall all that happened to them,

    Comment by Ivan — November 24, 2015 @ 6:35 am

    • Read my above comment.

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — November 24, 2015 @ 10:26 am

      • Sir, I do not doubt that Jews have suffered, but so have every race under the sun. For example, it is should be well known that the Cambodians endured a genocide of Biblical proportions during the time of the Khmer Rouge, yet how many books or articles have been written on it. This is quite apart from the endless stream of books on secondary matters, that Jews regularly churn out, ranging from Nazi finance, to industry, to the psychology of individual Nazis or the German nations. Where in turn are the books written by Jews acknowledging the horrendous role played by Jews in the rise of murderous communism?

        Comment by Ivan — November 24, 2015 @ 9:13 pm

    • Ivan wrote: “This is contrary to the experience of those who have suffered similar disasters”

      But it’s perfectly consistent with horror tales invented by people whose reputation as storytellers needs no further demonstration. The storytelling abilities of Eastern Jews is well established and didn’t wait for WW2 or the 1990’s (as most of those stories came up after Spielberg’s film adaptation of Thomas Keneally’s novel ‘Schindler’s Ark’) to gain a well deserved global reputation.

      Comment by hermie — November 24, 2015 @ 8:27 pm

      • It is not just the stories which have taken on an increasingly bizarre turn, but the milking of it for all it is worth for shekels and seats at the high table to determine the fates of nations.

        Comment by Ivan — November 24, 2015 @ 9:16 pm

        • Indeed, Ivan. But one has to keep in mind that Israel’s behavior and policies have been getting more and more incompatible with modern moral standards through decades. The more horrific Israel’s behavior is getting, the more horrific the Holohoax horror tales must be. A kind of compensatory fictional horrors supposed to counteract very real horrors. And Jews have always been very proud to fool Gentiles. The more extravagant the stories are, the bigger the pride Jews feel about those stories when believed.

          Comment by hermie — November 25, 2015 @ 2:45 am

  3. I’d still like to know where all of these Jews wound up if the Operation Reinhard camps were transit camps.
    This is the reality of the Eastern Front:
    The Germans confiscated any food they could find and shipped it westward, causing famine.
    There was a vicious partisan war going on, with the Germans destroying villages in Belorus and the Ukraine and the Partisans destroying rail lines and ambushing German convoys.
    To top it off, Soviet and German armies seesawed their way back and forth, causing untold damage and loss of life.
    Nazi ideology claimed that Jews spread disease. The Nazis also claimed that Jews formed the partisan bands wreaking havoc behind the lines.
    Why would the Germans ship them into this chaos? Where is the infrastructure to receive them? Per Nazi ideology, sending the Jews into the Soviet Union put German troops at risk.
    If the Nazis did somehow manage to build these “camps,” where is the proof of these camps? They had to be large in order to house millions.
    We all agree the Soviets were skilled at propaganda. Imagine the propaganda value of these imaginary camps, filled with starving men, women and children. We are talking about a dozen Majdaneks, a dozen Bergen-Belsens. Instead, nothing until the Soviets reach and liberate Majdanek (I use the term “liberate” very loosely when I talk about the Soviets).
    Sorry.
    I agree that prisoners were probably transferred to and from camps. This does not invalidate Birkenau, Chelmno or the Operation Reinhard Camps as death camps. The problem with deniers is that they view this as a zero sum game, that the camps did not or could not have multiple functions. Why waste valuable labor? If Treblinka had the available workers to send and Majdanek did not, why not transfer a few workers to the camp that needed them? This does not invalidate Treblinka as a death camp, it just had available workers to send. At any given time Treblinka had 600-800 workers available, utilized to sort clothes and other items, camp maintenance, body disposal etc.
    Auschwitz is famous for its multiple functions. It was a death camp, a labor camp and a concentration camp. I will also buy it’s utility as a transit camp.

    Comment by HCW — November 23, 2015 @ 5:15 pm

    • HCW wrote: ” The Nazis also claimed that Jews formed the partisan bands wreaking havoc behind the lines. Why would the Germans ship them into this chaos?”

      Because they wanted to get rid of them, as openly proclaimed on numerous occasions.


      https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=EU8wAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XE0DAAAAIBAJ&dq=jews+leave-europe&pg=5552,1207792&hl=fr

      Why wait for the end of the war to expel the Jews who were not needed in war factories?

      HCW: “Per Nazi ideology, sending the Jews into the Soviet Union put German troops at risk.”

      Not if that land eviction was for the Jews unfit for work, with the other ones held as forced laborers and awaiting the same fate until the end of the war. I think you’ll concede that Jews unfit for work were also unfit for warfare activities.

      HCW: “If the Nazis did somehow manage to build these “camps,” where is the proof of these camps? They had to be large in order to house millions.”

      The orthodox narrative now claims there were 42,500 Nazi camps and ghettos during WW2. With a conservative estimate of 150 or 200 people in each of those camps and ghettos, you can easily calculate how many Jews could be held in such places during WW2.

      At Nuremberg, on February 8th 1946, Soviet IMT-Chief prosecutor general Rudenko, mentioned special concentration camps for people unfit for work in his opening speech. He stated:

      “Upon investigations by the Extraordinary State Commission of the Soviet Union, it was found that at the front, behind their main line of defense, the Hitlerites had systematically constructed special concentration camps where they kept tens of thousands of children, women who were unfit for work, and old men. […] Many thousands of typhus patients were found in these camps.”

      Rudenko said that for propaganda purposes, claiming that the Nazis had deliberately infected the inmates kept there with typhus (an assertion dropped today as far as I know), but he mentioned such camps anyway.

      Soviet IMT document USSR-4 added: “On March 19, 1944, Soviet forces find in Polesia (White Russia), inside the German defense line three concentration camps in Ozaritschi, between Minsk and Kiev; in those camps there were more than 33.000 children, women, elderly people and people unfit for work”.

      HCW: “We all agree the Soviets were skilled at propaganda. Imagine the propaganda value of these imaginary camps, filled with starving men, women and children. ”

      And imagine the propaganda value of claims that those millions of people were dead, mass slaughtered in hellish ‘death factories’. Oops. You don’t need to imagine that. You can see and feel it as late as today.😉

      Comment by hermie — November 23, 2015 @ 6:47 pm

    • I wrote this blog post about the Jews who were sent, from the transit camp of Treblinka, into Russia.

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/the-trains-that-traveled-west-to-treblinka/

      After the war, they came back to Germany but they were denied reparations because they were officially dead.

      For those people who don’t want to read to the end of the blog post, cited above, here is a quote from the end of the post:

      Begin quote:

      When Germany began offering reparations to the Jews for the Holocaust, there were many Jews who claimed reparations but were rejected because they had come from Russia to Germany after the war. According to the official history of the Holocaust, these people were dead, so they could not claim reparations from Germany.

      Now there are ads on TV asking for donations for the Holocaust survivors in Russia. There is no mention of how these survivors got there, but the scene in the ad, that shows the tattoo on the arm of one of the Holocaust survivors in Russia, has recently been deleted from the ad.
      End quote

      Comment by furtherglory — November 24, 2015 @ 6:56 am

  4. When your state religion is the alleged ” Holocaust” then you dont mind admitting 2 million young men from Africa to live in your homes. This poor 88 year old German woman probably has doubts after she was violently raped by a 20 year old Somali man.
    http://www.nw.de/lokal/kreis_herford/herford/herford/20621377_Somalier-soll-88-Jaehrige-vergewaltigt-haben.html

    Comment by peter — November 23, 2015 @ 1:07 pm

    • Über seine Zukunft verhandelt seit Montag das Herforder Amtsgericht.

      They are judicially deciding what to do with him/about this case; that’s a tough one alright — not sure what I would do…

      Comment by eah — November 23, 2015 @ 1:19 pm

  5. FURTHERGLORY! The grandfather of the writer – a real survivor – had not been involved in the Shoah business. It is up to his grandson to tell us that
    story, Another example of how real survivors found it painfull to speack about events they passed through,

    Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — November 23, 2015 @ 11:02 am

  6. “I hate the work, but i love my boss.” – Charles Krafft i

    1. Art gallery pulls exhibition by ‘Holocaust denier’
    and ‘white supremacist’
    http://www.jewishnews.co.uk/art-gallery-pulls-exhibition-by-holocaust-denier-and-white-supremacist/

    2. White Nationalist Artist Charles Krafft Designs Award for
    Right-Wing Publisher
    http://hyperallergic.com/254089/white-nationalist-artist-charles-krafft-designs-award-for-right-wing-publisher/

    3. London Forum – Charles Krafft – My life and work as a
    politically-incorrect artist

    4. Banned in Britain (photos)
    http://www.charleskrafft.com/banned-in-the-uk-2/

    Comment by who dares wings — November 23, 2015 @ 10:00 am

    • Art gallery pulls exhibition by ‘Holocaust denier’ and ‘white supremacist’

      From the first link (my emphasis):

      A fashionable Whitechapel art gallery has pulled the plug on an exhibition by an artist who has been described as a “Holocaust denier” and a “white supremacist,” after complaints and threats were made.

      Typical.

      Comment by eah — November 23, 2015 @ 10:09 am

  7. FURTHERGLORY! The three Death Camps in the Lublin area had been Sobibor, Teblinka and Majdanek from where victims’ only final destination had been the Gas Chamber. For Sobibor and Treblinka see the interviews of Stangl with Gitta Sereny. . When calling them transit camps other consistent destination should be shown.

    Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — November 23, 2015 @ 9:28 am

    • Teblinka and Majdanek from where victims’ only final destination had been the Gas Chamber

      Wolf, if you watch the video ‘The Jewish Gas Chamber Hoax’ you will see a number of ‘survivors’ tell how they were taken to Treblinka, stayed for a short time, and then went on to another destination. So at least for some it was definitely a transit camp.

      Comment by eah — November 23, 2015 @ 10:14 am

      • Several Holocaust survivors have said that they were sent to Treblinka but were not killed. One of these survivors was Norman Finkelstein’s mother, who was transferred from Treblinka to Majdanek. She did not get reparations from Germamy because she was officially dead, killed at Treblinka, which was a “death camp.”

        Finkelstein’s father also survived and he got $100,000 in payments from the Germans before he died.

        Comment by furtherglory — November 23, 2015 @ 11:25 am

    • I read Gitta Sereny’s book entitled “Into That Darkness” twice – once when I still believed in the holocaust story, and the second time when I became convinced that Treblinka was nothing more than a transit camp.

      I was held spellbound by the alleged horror and brutality during the first read, but on the second reading, one could see that were serious flaws in the accounts of the survivors and the former guards.

      One Czech “survivor” claims that he and some other inmates were sent out of the camp to search around the surrounding countryside for disused railway line to use as the base for the huge burning pyres! Now that to me, sounds like an exploration camp – not a death camp.

      And a Polish inmate – who claimed he was there for an entire year – stated that an SS construction expert scavenged the countryside for bricks to build the “gas chamber”. But alas, he couldn’t find any bricks, so he decided to demolish a tall chimney at a disused glass factory at nearby Malkinia, and then used the soot encrusted, broken pile of old bricks and debris as suitable building material for constructing an intricate, complicated and well-engineered extermination facility! Why this SS expert didn’t simply walk across to the commandant’s office at Treblinka, pick up the telephone receiver, and ask SS headquarters in Lublin to arrange for the necessary quantity of brand new bricks to be delivered direct to Treblinka by train – I really don’t know.

      In her book, Gitta Sereny describes the camp commandant – Franz Stangl – as unforthcoming about his time at Treblinka, and was always slow and hesistant to respond to her questions. But of course, what the man was doing in his mind, was to think back to the real Treblinka, and convert his actual memories to make them fit into the false narrative that the world had been presented with. Stangl had obviously been told by his jailors that if he co’operated with Sereny, then his Life Sentence would be spent in more relaxed custody – where he would receive good treatment, and regular visits from his wife. If he didn’t co’operate – then it was a maximum security jail, with no leniency at all. Stangl therefore had no choice but to go along with the charade.

      Comment by Talbot — November 23, 2015 @ 10:51 am

      • I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Gitta Sereny was working alongside the West German government in getting Franz Stangl to “play ball” with the official story of Treblinka as a “death camp”. The government and its jailors promised him lenient treatment if he co-operated, while she pretended to be his friend and psycho-analyst, who would faithfully record his motivations and deeds during the Third Reich. Stangl fell into the trap – but as a convicted “mass killer” facing a life sentence, he had no other option, and was by that stage desperate to be liked, respected and understood by any outsider who would give him the time of day.

        Of course, once Sereny had finished her interviews, and got all the necessary info. out him, then the authorities were free to “bump him off”, so that he would never be able to correct or change what he had already said (or more to the point – what Sereny claimed he had said!). Thereafter, Sereny’s wretched little book became the definitive account of Treblinka for posterity.

        Comment by Talbot — November 23, 2015 @ 3:36 pm

        • Maybe I’m wrong to completely call Gitta Sereny’s work a “wretched little book”. A lot of it is well researched, and she actually travelled far and wide to meet “survivors”, camp guards and other material witnesses – even going to Rome itself to interview Vatican officials. Sereny is particular good in providing insights and analysis into the characters and personalities of those she meets. And I found her portrayal of Stangl himself as quite convincing and by no means unsympathetic.

          But where her book breaks down, is in the fact that she doesn’t cross-examine the “survivors” and guards very closely. She just asks them basic questions, and then allows them to say more-or-less whatever they like without contradiction. Her book’s premise is that the official story of Treblinka is sacrosanct, and she must not in anyway challenge this orthodoxy.

          This means, of course, that she never asks Stangl, or any other SS guards like Tom Horn – who worked in the upper camp at Treblinka – to describe the so-called “gas chambers”, and how they were operated and maintained. There is just a brief, and vague reference to a couple of Ukrainians named “Ivan the Terrible” and “Nicholai the ‘Orrible”, who “pushed some kind of pedal” which operated the engine that generated the carbon-monoxide gas.

          Comment by Talbot — November 24, 2015 @ 7:42 am

  8. I have spent some years looking into the claims of Treblinka ‘death camp’ and found zero evidence for them, none whatsoever. The recent tv documentary by Caroline Sturdy Colls just proved the case against it being a ‘death camp’ which is ironic because of course she claimed she had concrete proof of gas chambers etc. My view is simple; it was situated where it was because there was a psur line for the trains already there which serviced the Treblinka 1 the quarry. As transports grew in number the main line station just up the line called Malkina Junction was too small and became overwhelmed. Thus the new transit camp en route to Treblinka 1 was established just for the purpose of transiting trainloads through before they went onto to different trains to travel to the east and Russia.

    When that purpose had been served the camp was torn down and that is why there is nothing left.

    Comment by Mr B — November 23, 2015 @ 9:08 am

    • What accelerated the closure of Treblinka was the armed revolt of some of it’s inmates which was carried out with military precision. [Yes, Jews were ready to fight to their deaths.sic]
      The resistance was able to procure weapons: Some carbines they had bought from the Ukrainian guards, two boxes of hand grenades came from the ammunition chamber. The prisoner Stanada Lichtblau, car mechanic in the SS vehicle fleet (Motor Pool) had stolen gasoline and had it bottled. While trying to buy from the Trawnikis weapons, the prison doctor, Dr. Julian Chorazycki had been seen and had committed suicide after a scuffle with Commander Franz. The deputy camp elder Rakowski was shot because he was caught with a large amount of money and Gold he carried with him, in order to bribe the Ukrainians. Zelo Bloch who should lead the military uprising was dropped from the committee, because he was transferred to the upper camp to the gas chambers. Rudolf Marsalek, who had been a lieutenant in the Czech army took his place.
      The uprising broke out on 2 August 1943 at 16.00 hours. Part of the Ukrainian guards was setting out to swim in the Bug river. Hand grenades exploded at several places in the camp, Standa Lichtblau set fire to the petrol tank, which was a beacon, “a gigantic torch in memory of his wife and daughter” who were deported from Theresienstadt to Treblinka with him. The Ukrainians fought, contrary to the expectations of the Jewish resistance, on the side of the SS, the only chance the rebel prisoners had were their escape from the camp. SS and Ukrainian guards fired machine guns, took up the pursuit of fugitives and combed in the following days the area around the camp.
      The last two shipments of 8,000 victims came from the Bialystok Ghetto on the 18 and 19 August at Treblinka. At the end of August 1943 the head of the “Aktion Reinhardt” Odilo Globocnik, was appointed as the higher SS Commander and Police of Trieste. With him, went Christian Wirth, the “Inspector of the Extermination Camps,” the commander of Treblinka Stangl, and other German Personnel went there too. The formal closure of the extermination camps, Globocnik announced on 4 November 1943 to the Reichsführer SS: “I have closed as at the 19.10.43 the Operation Reinhardt, which I had been managing in the Generalgouvernment and completely disbanded all camps.”
      A residual command of Jewish prisoners remained in addition to some SS men and Ukrainians to ensure the demolition and clearing work at Treblinka was carried out. They would remove all traces of the murders that had taken place there. Fences, sheds, storage facilities were all (if they had survived the uprising) demolished. The land was ploughed up, trees were planted, lupines were sown and a farmhouse built, where a member of the Ukrainian guards was to guard the territory. The last 25 and 30 Jews, including two women, were killed at Treblinka in November 1943 in smaller groups. The bodies were taken by the surviving Jews to the incineration grates. The Ukrainian took the bodies of the remaining murdered Jews there as well.
      Source: Nürnberg, Document PS 4042

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — November 23, 2015 @ 7:18 pm

      • The same thing happened at Sobibor. The Jews revolted led by a Red Army officer Perchensky (I may be spelling that wrong). This revolt was more successful because of better planning and coordination. These revolts saved more witnesses than Chelmno and Belzec, from what I remember only a handful survived these two camps.

        Comment by HCW — November 24, 2015 @ 9:33 am

      • As there exists no German wartime documentation about the alleged Treblinka revolt (unlike the Sobibor one), it was very probably just a fictional duplication of the Sobibor break-out. Unless the words told by Jankiel Wiernik and Vassily Grossman alone suddenly became probative during last night.😉

        https://littlegreyrabbit.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/the-treblinka-revolt-a-fictional-duplication-of-the-sobibor-break-out/

        Comment by hermie — November 24, 2015 @ 8:14 pm

        • That’s interesting because the revolt at Treblinka occurred in August of 1943, Sobibor in October of 1943.
          If you are going to fake a revolt, wouldn’t you have it occur AFTER the recorded revolt at Sobibor?

          Comment by HCW — November 25, 2015 @ 8:22 am

          • HCW: “If you are going to fake a revolt, wouldn’t you have it occur AFTER the recorded revolt at Sobibor?”

            The Treblinka revolt SUPPOSEDLY occurred in August 1943. But when was it mentioned for the first time? Interesting question, isn’t it? I’ve already investigated this topic in wartime newspapers, and I failed to find any mention of the alleged Treblinka revolt prior to October 1943. In fact, I’ve even found no mention of an alleged revolt at Treblinka prior to the year 1944. But feel free to look for an earlier mention of it by yourself and to bring your discoveries on here if successful…

            Comment by hermie — November 26, 2015 @ 1:21 am

            • Huh?
              Why would there be newspaper articles regarding the revolt at Treblinka in the days/weeks after it happened? Who would report such a thing?
              I suppose the Polish underground could but would they necessarily even know what happened?
              Besides, even if someone did report this and I found it wouldn’t you simply dismiss it as propaganda?
              Isn’t all media, then and now, controlled by Jews?
              The lack of a report does not prove or disprove anything on its own.
              I did find a photograph taken by a Polish railway worker showing smoke coming from the direction of the camp on the day of the revolt.
              Why didn’t I post it?
              What’s the point? You would dismiss it, saying you had no idea when it was taken, by who, what context, etc.
              There was no internet in 1943, Hermie. No deadspin, TMZ, CNN, smart phones or satellites. It could take weeks, months or years to get information out. Do you think the Germans sent newspaper reporters to Treblinka to interview the commandant and the surviving SS men on what happened? There was no free press in Germany or Poland at that time. After the revolt the Germans were busy dealing with a problem, that of escaping prisoners and containing the situation. Did you expect them to get on the radio in between music breaks to describe what happened?
              Seriously my friend. Weak, weak, weak.

              Comment by HCW — November 26, 2015 @ 7:00 am

              • I wrote about the newspaper reports on this blog post:

                https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/was-treblinka-really-a-transit-camp/

                This quote is from that blog post:

                Begin quote:

                More news about the killing of the Jews at the Treblinka camp came from Vasily Grossman, a Jewish war correspondent who was traveling with the Soviet Red Army. In November 1944, Grossman published an article entitled “The Hell of Treblinka,” which was later quoted at the Nuremberg IMT. Grossman had interviewed 40 survivors of the Treblinka uprising and he had talked to some of the local farmers. The camp had been completely razed to the ground; there was nothing left for Grossman to see, “only graves and death.” The Jews had all been killed, according to Grossman.
                End quote

                Comment by furtherglory — November 26, 2015 @ 7:08 am

                • The article you mentioned dealing with steam was published ion August 8th, 1943 but was from a report published by the Polish Underground in October, 1942. That proves my point, no updated information was available at the time of the revolt. The report from Poland was practically a year old.

                  Comment by HCW — November 26, 2015 @ 9:28 am

              • HCW: “Why would there be newspaper articles regarding the revolt at Treblinka in the days/weeks after it happened?”

                For propaganda purposes.

                HCW: “Who would report such a thing?”

                The so-called “free press”. As motivational food for Gentile canon fodder.

                HCW: “Isn’t all media, then and now, controlled by Jews?”

                It is. Indeed. As admitted even by sympathizers of Jewry decades before WW2.

                HCW: “I did find a photograph taken by a Polish railway worker showing smoke coming from the direction of the camp on the day of the revolt. Why didn’t I post it? What’s the point? You would dismiss it, saying you had no idea when it was taken, by who, what context, etc.”

                Of course I would say that. Basic precaution. Minimum critical thinking. And you know it.

                HCW: “There was no internet in 1943, Hermie. No deadspin, TMZ, CNN, smart phones or satellites. It could take weeks, months or years to get information out.”

                As the orthodox narrative is a formalization of the victors’ wartime propaganda, such an event could have been ‘reported’ in August or September 1943. Nothing extravagant in that idea.

                Comment by hermie — November 26, 2015 @ 5:59 pm

                • That’s where your argument falls apart, Hermie. Why weren’t there reports? Obviously if this was intended as a propaganda excercise a story would have appeared soon after an alleged revolt.
                  Really, there is no reason to make up a “Treblinka” a camp already existed, Treblinka 1. Instead, you found nothing until a year later, which makes sense as it would take that long for a story to get out.
                  Still, very, very weak.

                  Comment by HCW — November 26, 2015 @ 8:34 pm

                • HCW: “That’s where your argument falls apart, Hermie.”

                  The only things I see fall apart on here are your imagination and understanding.

                  HCW: “Why weren’t there reports? Obviously if this was intended as a propaganda excercise a story would have appeared soon after an alleged revolt.”

                  Not if horror propagandists decided in 1944 to ‘enrich’ the current narrative of those days about Treblinka with a fictional revolt there. They couldn’t put such a revolt after October 1943 as Treblinka had already been dismantled and Operation Reinhardt stopped when they came up with their revolt story for the time, in 1944. They could also have come up with their revolt story for the first time in the 1970’s or 1980’s as well. Sometimes an absence of evidence must be regarded as an evidence of absence.

                  HCW: “Really, there is no reason to make up a “Treblinka” a camp already existed, Treblinka 1.”

                  Who said they made up a ‘Treblinka’? I’ve only said that they very likely made up a revolt there.

                  Comment by hermie — November 27, 2015 @ 6:33 am


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