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November 27, 2015

Do HET tours do more harm than good?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 9:08 am
My photo of a door into the Auschwitz gas chamber that is now closed

My 2005 photo of a door, into the alleged Auschwitz gas chamber, that is now closed

The door into the Auschwitz gas chamber, shown in the photo above, was the door that I entered on my first visit to Auschwitz in 1998.  That door is no longer used as the tourist entrance.

In today’s news, I read about another student tour of Auschwitz here.

This quote is from the news article:

Since 1999, more than 27,000 students and teachers have taken part in the Holocaust Educational Trust’s Lessons from Auschwitz Project.

Organisers say it is based on the premise that hearing is not like seeing.

The project aims to clearly highlight what can happen if prejudice and racism become acceptable.

The photo below was included in the news article.  It shows the students as they are ready to enter the gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp, through today’s tourist entrance.

Students entering the "gas chamber" in the main Auschwitz camp

Students entering the “gas chamber” in main  Auschwitz camp

What were the students told about the room that they were about to enter?  Were they told that the Jews were forced to take off their clothes outside, and then enter through a door where they could see the ovens in which their bodies would be burned after they were gassed?

My photo of the gas chamber building which the students entered

My photo of the gas chamber building which the students are about to enter

My photo of the view of the ovens at Auschwitz

My 2005 photo of the view of the ovens at Auschwitz

The students are led to believe that the Jews walked through the door shown in the photo above, as they entered the gas chamber. After going through the door, shown in the photo, the Jews allegedly walked into the crematorium on their right, where they were gassed with Zyklon-B pellets thrown through large holes in the roof.

Entrance to the Auschwitz gas chamber is through the oven room on the left

Entrance to the Auschwitz gas chamber is through the oven room on the left

Anyone with half a brain in his or her head can see that the so-called gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp was not a gas chamber. In my humble opinion, British students should not be taken on tours of Auschwitz and told lies.  Let them study both sides of the Holocaust on their own, and make up their own minds.


  1. Comments here miss the question of the post. Visits of school groops at site like Auschwitz or other Death Camps are usefull or harmfull for a better education and tuition of history? Certainly useless and harmfull when after the visit of the site of horror the groop goes to Krakaw having there a lot of entertainment or so. Auschwitz and the other sites of horror ought to be kept in a respectfull silent condition and right out of the Shoah Business fuss.
    As from the debate among commentators here no one can answer the question how such horrors could occure. Studying all sides of hiistory we ought to learn how in the nation of thinkers and poets a terror regime could rise on power. In Germany – but also in other European countries . along more than a century thinkers and poets developped theories of racism, hatred, German rule over Europe with enslavering and destruction of other peoples. Western “Democraties” followed a foolish policy without any knowledge and consideration of real conditions in Central and East Europe. Churches opposed equal rights for all citiziens and often preached following racial prejudices and sprayed hatred rising accusations around. So it came to WWI and due to the foolish Versailles Treaty to WWII whith related tragedies to remember visiting sites like Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, etc. In the Concentration Camps and Ghettoes murder action took place by starvation, deseases and forced labor In the Death Camps by Gassings.
    Last day events show that such horrors can occure again when so called statesmen go on with foolish policies..
    Sincerelly Yours WOLF MURMELSTEIN – a “special child survivor” of Show Ghetto Theresienstadt and researcher about Shoah History.

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 28, 2015 @ 2:53 am

  2. news article: “The project aims to clearly highlight what can happen if prejudice and racism become acceptable.”

    Isn’t this what is called a political bias? Mass media and academia always contend that ‘Holocaust denial’ is just politically-biased BS. But Holohoax propaganda is always linked to a great lesson of democracy, human rights, tolerance, race-mixing, multiculturalism, Zionism, etc. Holohoaxsters do have political biases and a political agenda. Their narrative and conclusions are not the result of an impartial quest for truth as claimed. They should at least admit that.

    By the way, quite rich claim from a country also known for its racism in those days. And Churchill’s post-war “Keep England White” campaign didn’t deny that. At that time, no doubt a Negro or an Indian of the British Empire would have been very happy if he could have had the same rights as a Jew in Nazi Germany. Even if it’s true that such a guy indeed had a lot more enviable than the lot of a US Negro. During WW2, Uncle Sam even had to reprimand Perfidious Albion (Britain) for treating his own home Negroes as human beings, so giving them very bad habits. That’s how hypocritical the sanctimonious Allies were.

    Comment by hermie — November 27, 2015 @ 7:25 pm

    • Jesse Owens would certainly agree…

      Comment by Schlageter — November 27, 2015 @ 8:12 pm

      • The story of Jesse Owens is usually reported incorrectly. I wrote about this on a previous blog post which I am quoting here:
        Begin quote
        The Germans won the most medals for first place, second place and third place in the 1936 Olympics, defeating the second-place Americans by a wide margin of 57 points. The story about Hitler refusing to acknowledge a victory by Jesse Owens was incorrect, according to noted historian John Toland, who wrote:

        That the Führer publicly turned his back on the great black athlete was denied by Owens himself, who further claimed that Hitler did pay him a tribute. “When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticizing the man of the hour in Germany.”
        End quote

        Comment by furtherglory — November 28, 2015 @ 6:04 am

        • People should understand that WW2 was not a war of anti-racists fighting against racists for a world of racial equality and friendship as often claimed or at least implied. WW2 was a war of racists fighting against other racists. But the Zio-Masonic Globalist elites ruling over all of us can’t allow that to be known, or otherwise their WW2 Holohoax-based great lesson of diversity, race-mixing, mass immigration and Jewish hegemony, as well as the progression of their NWO agenda, would be lost. They can’t afford to let historical truth and accuracy spoil their plans. The NWO can’t fail because of mere details such the truth about WW2.

          Beside not wanting to bite the hand feeding them, racist leaders such as Churchill, Lloyd George and FDR denounced Nazi anti-Semitism because they regarded the Jewish race as a Superior race and so failed to understand the reason why anybody could discriminate against those Super-Humans destined, chosen to dominate and administer the Inferior Goyim. But those very same leaders were as unable to understand how anybody could even suggest that Negroes were equal to Whites and should have the same rights. Nazi anti-Semitism was based on the will not to live any longer under the boot of dominant Jewry or in other words the will to live as free men. On the other side, Allied leaders such as Churchill regarded Jewish domination as something normal and even natural and good. So WW2 was in fact a struggle between Nazi donwannabee slaves and Allied happy slaves. Whether people like it or not, realize it or not, the side of freedom – real freedom, not the freedom to shoe shine Jewish masters – was the Axis and the side of enslavement was the Soviet-Allied block of chained Judeocracies.

          Comment by hermie — November 28, 2015 @ 8:49 am

          • Comment by hermie — November 28, 2015 @ 9:22 am

            • Thanks for that contribution hermie – I wonder how many glasses ( bottles?) of brandy and whiskey he had consumed when he issued that quote. But then, he was financially saved – probably by Jewish money – in the early 1930’s after he’d lost a fortune in the Wall Street Crash. Even Roosevelt called him a “drunken bum”, which is what he was, and would have declined into a bankrupt, obscure, alcoholic has-been if he had not been financially rescued.

              Comment by Talbot — November 28, 2015 @ 11:28 am

              • Talbot! Clearly You need urgent psichiatric help at Mount Sinai in New York.

                Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 29, 2015 @ 3:14 am

                • Never mind recommending psychiatric clinics for people, Mr Murnelstein – you ought to look into the real history of this selfish, drunken charlatan called Winston Churchill.

                  He was a political turncoat on several occasions during his career. Very few of his colleagues trusted him at all. They were reluctant to allow him to become the war-time leader in 1940, because they regarded him as a maverick, and a war-monger. He wanted to recreate the British Empire – an imperial institution which was already practically defunct by the year 1939.

                  During WW2 he was supposed to be the “hands-on” war leader, who had to take difficult life and death decisions affecting millions of people. But in reality, he was already half-drunk by mid-afternoon, and often totally inebriated by evening. In fact most of his wartime speeches on the radio were broadcast by an actor who could mimic his voice and mannerisms, because Churchill was too paralytic to give the speech.

                  Then, when he had sobered up towards midnight, he wanted to sit around drinking and chatting – or giving monologues – to his senior ministers through the small hours. These men had important tasks to perform during the day, and had to be at their desks at a reasonably early hour to take difficult, complex decisions affecting the nation. But he didn’t care, these men just had to sit there and listen to all his ridiculous pipe-dreams, while he could lie in bed until mid-morning.

                  Even worse than this – Britain’s most capable and intelligent military leader – Lord Allanbrooke had to relinquish any serious military command, in order to stay in London during the war to become Chuchill’s military advisor. Very few British generals in WW2 were really A-list men – they tended to vary between capable and hopeless – but Allanbrooke could be regard as a “top-flight” general, but he realised that Churchill was such a liability to the war effort, that he was prepared to sacrifice a command in the field to nurse this so-called “Great Statesmen”. Churchill always wanted to carry out military adventures here-there-and-everywhere instead of concentrating on the matter in hand, and it took all of Allanbrooke’s time and persuasive talents to bring him back to some kind of reality.

                  Comment by Talbot — November 29, 2015 @ 12:33 pm

                • Talbot wrote: “In fact most of his wartime speeches on the radio were broadcast by an actor who could mimic his voice and mannerisms, because Churchill was too paralytic to give the speech.”

                  Are you referring to Norman Shelley or to somebody else?

                  My opinion is that the recording of Himmler’s Posen Speech was produced by a similar process – i.e. a voice impersonator saying the incriminating part of that speech. Voice impersonators do that every day after all. If celebrities can make advertisings for cars, chocolate or perfume decades after their death, why not Himmler? If Forrest Gump could talk to Kennedy, why not Himmler? In any event, such a thing was far from being impossible or even hard to do for Zionist-owned Hollywood.

                  For info, some of Churchill’s most famous ‘wartime’ speeches were in fact recorded by himself for posterity years after WW2.

                  Comment by hermie — November 29, 2015 @ 8:03 pm

              • Comment by hermie — November 29, 2015 @ 6:16 am

          • Well said!!!

            Comment by furtherglory — November 28, 2015 @ 2:25 pm

          • Hermie! Clearly You need urgent psichiatric help at Mount Sinai in New York.

            Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 29, 2015 @ 3:03 am

            • Nice refutation, wolfie. I didn’t expect anything less from you…

              Thanks for your kind words, fg.

              Could we share the costs of the trip to New York City, Talbot? 😉

              Comment by hermie — November 29, 2015 @ 5:45 am

              • Hermie! Your above statement shows that You suffer from the phantom of a Jewish wordl rule. The same applies to the statement of our friend Talbot. Unfortunately due to the events passeed through I fear more and more that things would occure again and should need clinical help at Mount Sinai but I certainly cannot afford it. I am not wolfie but Wolf and try still to bite. Best Wolf.

                Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 29, 2015 @ 6:12 am

                • wolf: “Hermie! Your above statement shows that You suffer from the phantom of a Jewish wordl rule.”

                  Seeing all the leaders of Western world so often grazing their knees before Jewry, I’d say that I’m far from being alone to suffer from this very same ‘hallucinatory disease’.

                  Comment by hermie — November 29, 2015 @ 6:25 am

                • HERMIE! I do not see western politicians gazing their knees before jewry. Besides, let us say among friends or comrades, I deeply mistrust nice words at many ceremonies, especially when the same politicians then are bowing in front of Arab rulers asking them to buy European banks and industrial companies. Think about the investments done by Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Abu Dabi, Bahrein, Kuwait. Best. Wolf (still wanting to bite):

                  Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 29, 2015 @ 8:59 am

                • wolf: “HERMIE! I do not see western politicians gazing their knees before jewry.”

                  So it’s time to consult an ophtalmist. There is probably a good one at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City. 😉

                  Comment by hermie — November 29, 2015 @ 7:29 pm

              • Absolutely, Hermie – I always travel first class on airlines. But I’m intrigued why Mr Murnelstein suggests that we both attend the Mount Sinai institution in New York. There are clinics closer to my own home which I can attend if I feel the need for any help. I wonder if this Mount Sinai place is a Hebrew-run concern, where Israeli, dual-citizen Americans, and Mossad agents run rampant.

                Comment by Talbot — November 29, 2015 @ 11:45 am


                  Nuff said

                  Comment by Schlageter — November 29, 2015 @ 12:33 pm

                • Talbot wrote: “I wonder if this Mount Sinai place is a Hebrew-run concern, where Israeli, dual-citizen Americans, and Mossad agents run rampant.”

                  Maybe. In any event, it has been a Jewish hospital from its very beginning. I can remember that Zionist leader Jacob de Haas died there.

                  I don’t want to die a mysterious – but very convenient – death in New York just after ‘confessing’ my unspeakable crimes against G-d’s Chosen People for the rogue nation of Israel’s sake… 😉

                  Comment by hermie — November 29, 2015 @ 7:40 pm

                • Yes you’re right, Norman Shelley is the guy I was referring to. I was just watching David Irving’s You Tube presentation from 1989 about Churchill, and he is very scathing about Britain’s wartime leader – constantly providing diary evidence of his drunkenness.

                  Interesting suggestion about Himmler’s Posen speech – but I suppose no one will ever be able to prove it though.

                  Comment by Talbot — November 29, 2015 @ 9:03 pm

                • Hermie Talbot: At Mount Sinai they research about psicological and psichiatrical effect of events like WWII and the Shoah. I think that Your phantom of JEWISH POWER is an delayed effect of WWII, especially in the event Your grandparents had been involved in any manner. In the event You know about other hospitals or universities researching about that matter kindly inform me accordingly and thanks in advance.

                  Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 1, 2015 @ 8:11 am

                • I feel that you’re on somehing with your ‘Phantom of Jevish Pover’, Wolfie. Hang on. 😉

                  Comment by hermie — December 2, 2015 @ 2:11 pm

  3. Oh no! – surely the Auschwitz authorities are not still trying to sell this ridiculous structure as an “extermination facility”. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. It should be closed off to the public immediately, and all references to a gas chamber expunged from the record.

    Even prominent “survivors” like Susan Spatz have publicly declared that there was no extermination going on in the Auschwitz Main Camp.

    Comment by Talbot — November 27, 2015 @ 1:59 pm

    • She’s right…….somewhat.
      Mrs. Spatz entered Auschwitz-Birkenau in January of 1942. By that time there were no gassings in the Auschwitz main camp, these were moved to Birkenau in the Spring/Summer of 1942.
      Always glad to clear up these misconceptions, Talbot.

      Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 2:11 pm

      • Sorry HCW, but you’re wrong – Susan Spatz claims that she arrived by train in Birkenau in January 1943. Before that, she was in Theresienstadt. And she was adamant on her Youtube presentation that there were no gas chambers in the Auschwitz main camp. But obviously you know better than her.

        Comment by Talbot — November 27, 2015 @ 3:30 pm

        • Sorry, the story said 1942, not 1943 in the blurb I saw. The story I read may have the date wrong.
          But my point still stands. By the time she arrived at the camp, either 1942 or 1943, there were no gassings at the Auschwitz main camp.
          The gassings occurred at Birkenau, not the main camp or Auschwitz I.

          Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 3:50 pm

  4. Based upon the comments I see I think it’s more vital than ever for people see what constituted a “Nazi Paradise.”

    Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 11:53 am

    • There were many criminals and “asocials” imprisoned at Dachau. Nazi Germany was a paradise for Hitler’s followers because these men were off the streets.

      The following quote is from a book written by Dachau inmate Dr. Neuhäusler:

      Among the comrades [in the Dachau camp] were plenty of good-for-nothings with green and black chevrons [badges], lazy fellows, drunkards, even criminals. One man would ridicule the priests, another would tell dirty jokes, another steal bread, soap and other articles from his companions. Among us there were barbarians, unmannerly louts, braggers, gossips, know-alls, brawlers of all sorts.

      Comment by furtherglory — November 27, 2015 @ 1:05 pm

      • Maybe so for Dachau but you wrote about Auschwitz.
        I doubt very much the Poles considered themselves to be living in a paradise, never mind what the Nazis did to the Jews.

        Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 1:12 pm

        • No one was living in a paradise in those days. I was living in conditions that were much worse then the main Auschwitz camp.

          Comment by furtherglory — November 27, 2015 @ 1:56 pm

          • At least the papers and radios were free to report the news. At least the various churches in your town were free to spread their word without fear of being shut down and their pastors arrested.
            You weren’t in a concentration camp.
            I bet the Poles and Jews there would have happily traded their lives for your poverty.

            Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 2:05 pm

    • You ought to hang around a bit HCW, for the “Jewish paradise” – which will be arriving shortly. You’ll get a good idea of what it will be like if you study what happened in Russia during the 1920’s and 1930’s.

      Comment by Talbot — November 27, 2015 @ 2:05 pm

      • You mean when the non-Jewish anti-Semite Joseph Stalin caused the deaths of millions in artificial famines and had hundreds of thousands more shot in the Great Purge?

        How is that a Jewish paradise?

        Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 2:15 pm

        • You should take a look at some of Stalin’s lieutenants and henchmen – it was they who were controlling him!. He only managed to break free from their iron grip just after WW2, when he became unassailable as the great war leader. Only then was he strong enough to purge the hideous jewish octopus that was terrorising the Soviet Union.

          Comment by Talbot — November 27, 2015 @ 3:19 pm

          • That’s hysterical, Talbot, where in the world did you learn that??????
            Stalin completed his consolidation of power long before the war, 1930-1931 at the latest. STALIN drove the industrialization and collectivization of Soviet society, he wanted to drag Soviet Society into the 20th century regardless of the cost in lives. Stalin purged his government of anyone he thought would oppose him during the Great Purge and executed most of his alleged or supposed opponents. He also persecuted minorities, including Poles, Ukrainians, ethnic Germans and Jews.
            I suggest you read Stalin, the Court of the Red Czar and Bloodlands: Europe between
            Hitler and Stalin.

            Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 4:20 pm

            • I’m very reluctant to read books that display such dramatic titles such as “Court of the Red Czar and Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin”. I somehow don’t think I’m going to get an even-balanced view of the historical record – let alone anything approaching accuracy and truth.

              I agree that Stalin himself was ruthless in his policies, and could indeed be a cruel, vindictive man; but to suggest that he was a tyrant completely free of the political forces that propped him and his regime up, is not a realistic proposition either. Mr Schlageter below gives a good account of the heavy Jewish input into the Soviet power hierarchy – especially key government personnel, communist party officials and, more crucially, the secret police.

              Comment by Talbot — November 27, 2015 @ 5:00 pm

              • Fair enough. If it helps both the British and US governments believed that there was a shadow cabal behind Stalin when he was being difficult. The reality is that Stalin completely dominated his government, he faced no opposition.
                A question though:
                Why only believe Schlageter’s source and not mine?
                After all, I actually read the books I’ve listed, I’m not sure Schlageter read the book he quoted, it said review.
                Could it be that Schlageter’s book is review matches your world view and mine doesn’t?

                Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 5:18 pm

                • Its not a question that I “believe” Shlageter more than I do you. But he has presented evidence that Jews were over-represented in the Communist party, the Soviet Government and the secret police. These are very powerful institutions in a totalitarian society like the Soviet Union. But you have made no attempt to described Stalin’s power base at all. I suspect that your view of the world is what we call “mainstream thinking” – that is, you read books and watch documentaries from established publishers and broadcasters that provide a seamless narrative, which tends to emphasise, and even glamorise, the role of individuals, or “great leaders”, such as Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin. And you think that they are able to act completely independently of the internal political and ideological framework in which they initially rose to power and in which they rule. This is exactly how I used to think myself.

                  But as my research and understanding has developed, I can see that this is just a one-dimensional view of events that occur in the world. You use the phrase “shadow cabal”, and that is a good one to describe groups, organisations and secret societies, in which powerful men are able to influence or “pull strings” behind the public curtain. It is they who really prop up these leaders, and are able to steer a nation in the way that they themselves choose. I believe Stalin only became truly supreme after WW2, when his leadership could not be challenged by anyone – either internally or externally.

                  Comment by Talbot — November 27, 2015 @ 6:26 pm

              • Schlageter made his point based upon a book review of something he didn’t read himself. So instead of reading the book himself he allowed someone to make the argument for him……talk about mainstream.
                You are certainly welcome to believe what you like. However, if I make an argument to you and then give you my source material (books I actually read instead of allowing someone to review it for me) or if I give you a link to a site I would expect that you would do me the courtesy of not dismissing it out of hand.
                I am well aware of the shortcomings of Churchill, Roosevelt and especially Stalin. To me Stalin and Hitler were opposite sides of the same coin, dictators willing to destroy lives if it brought them the results they wanted.
                It’s easy to blame shadow conspiracies and Jews, Talbot. My advice is don’t let it consume you.

                Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 7:40 pm

                • I didn’t want to offend you by dismissing the book that you recommended out of hand. But when I read the title my heart sank. It appears like a standard, popular history, targeted at a mass readership who already firmly believe in the narrative of Hitler and Stalin as the wicked tyrants etc. etc.

                  But can you imagine a mainstream publisher issuing a book entitled;- ‘Court of the Drunken Aristocrat and the Fire-stormed Cities: Europe between Churchill and Roosevelt.

                  Comment by Talbot — November 27, 2015 @ 8:51 pm

              • I’ve seen Holocaust denial books with the following titles:
                The Holocaust High Priest
                A Giant with a Feet of Clay
                The All Lies Invasion (Allies)
                Mein Side of the Story
                Catchy, eh?
                Eye catching titles are a device for selling books, Talbot.
                How do you think I know about the Holdomor, The Great Purge, the Doctor’s Trials, Churchill’s betrayal of the Poles, FDR’s deviousness, Churchill’s mistakes during the German invasion of Norway, the Bengal Famine, FDR’s continual kow towing to Stalin, Churchill’s anguish at the end of the war regarding the bombing of Germany?
                I’ve said before that I am well aware of the allies shortcomings.
                If I only read the politically version of history, would I know these things?

                Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 9:34 pm

                • You have read a lot of books, but have you seen any of the former camps? If you tour the camps, you will see small details that don’t make sense. For example, Majdanek. When the camp was in existence, it was on a main highway where travelers could see the Jews lined up in front of the gas chamber.

                  The gas chamber building at Majdanek has another building that is identical, but tourists are not allowed to see it. Then there are the large pieces of sculpture, done by the prisoners, which are prominently displayed in the Majdanek camp. It all makes sense when you learn that the number of Jewish deaths, of all causes, at Majdanek, is 59,000.

                  If you tour Auschwitz-Birkenau, you start by climbing up in the tower, and looking out at the 425 acre camp. You can’t see that far, but you can see the acres of chimneys that are all that is left of the barracks. Why so many barracks in a killing center where Jews were taken immediately from the incoming trains and gassed?

                  If you ever go to Dachau and take a guided tour, keep saying silently to yourself: “Don’t laugh, don’t laugh.”

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 28, 2015 @ 5:43 am

        • What a riot! So now Stalin and the Bolsheviks were brownshirts?

          Such diverse Russians as Putin, Solzhenitsyn , and Yuri Sleszkine, himself part Jewish, would likely disagree…

          From a review of Sleszkine’s book, “the Jewish Century”, is some more detail on Stalins willing executioners, and who the revolution’s benficiaries were:

          “Although in the decades immediately before the Russian Revolution Jews had already made enormous advances in social and economic status, a major contribution of Slezkine`s book is to document that Communism was, indeed, “good for the Jews.” After the Revolution, there was active elimination of any remnants of the older order and their descendants. Anti-Semitism was outlawed. Jews benefited from “antibourgeois” quotas in educational institutions and other forms of discrimination against the middle class and aristocratic elements of the old regime, which could have competed with the Jews. While all other nationalities, including Jews, were allowed and encouraged to keep their ethnic identities, the revolution maintained an anti-majoritarian attitude. (Some might argue that the parallel with post `65 Civil Rights Act America ironic!)

          Beyond the issue of demonstrating that the Jews benefited from the Revolution lies the more important question of their role in implementing it. Having achieved power and elite status, did their traditional hostility to the leaders of the old regime, and to the peasantry, contribute to the peculiarly ghastly character of the early Soviet era?

          On this question, Slezkine`s contribution is decisive.

          Despite the important role of Jews among the Bolsheviks, most Jews were not Bolsheviks before the Revolution. However, Jews were prominent among the Bolsheviks, and once the Revolution was underway, the vast majority of Russian Jews became sympathizers and active participants.

          Jews were particularly visible in the cities and as leaders in the army and in the revolutionary councils and committees. For example, there were 23 Jews among 62 Bolsheviks in the All-Russian Central Executive Committee elected at the Second Congress of Soviets in October, 1917. Jews were leaders of the movement and to a great extent they were its public face.

          Their presence was particularly notable at the top levels of the Cheka and OGPU (two successive acronyms for the secret police). Here Slezkine provides statistics on Jewish overrepresentation in these organizations, especially in supervisory roles, and quotes historian Leonard Shapiro`s comment that “anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with and possibly shot by a Jewish investigator.”

          During the 1930s, Slezkine reports, the secret police, now known as the NKVD, “was one of the most Jewish of all Soviet institutions”, with 42 of the 111 top officials being Jewish. At this time 12 of the 20 NKVD directorates were headed by ethnic Jews, including those in charge of State Security, Police, Labor Camps, and Resettlement (deportation).

          The Gulag was headed by ethnic Jews from its beginning in 1930 until the end of 1938, a period that encompasses the worst excesses of the Great Terror.

          They were, in Slezkine`s remarkable phrase, “Stalin`s willing executioners”.

          Slezkine appears to take a certain pride in the drama of the role of the Jews in Russia during these years. Thus he says they were

          “among the most exuberant crusaders against `bourgeois` habits during the Great Transformation; the most disciplined advocates of socialist realism during the `Great Retreat` (from revolutionary internationalism); and the most passionate prophets of faith, hope, and combat during the Great Patriotic War against the Nazis”.

          Sometimes his juxtapositions between his descriptions of Jewish involvement in the horror of the early Soviet period and the life styles of the Jewish elite seem deliberately jarring. Lev Kopelev, a Jewish writer who witnessed and rationalized the Ukrainian famine in which millions died horrible deaths of starvation and disease as an “historical necessity” is quoted saying “You mustn`t give in to debilitating pity. We are the agents of historical necessity. We are fulfilling our revolutionary duty.”

          On the next page, Slezkine describes the life of the largely Jewish elite in Moscow and Leningrad where they attended the theater, sent their children to the best schools, had peasant women (whose families were often the victims of mass murder) for nannies, spent weekends at pleasant dachas and vacationed at the Black Sea.

          Again, Slezkine discusses the heavily Jewish NKVD and the Jewish leadership of the Great Terror of the 1930s. Then, he writes that in 1937 the prototypical Jewish State official “probably would have been living in elite housing in downtown Moscow . . . with access to special stores, a house in the country (dacha), and a live-in peasant nanny or maid”. He writes long and lovingly detailed sketches of life at the dachas of the elite—the “open verandas overlooking small gardens enclosed by picket fences…”

          The reader is left on his own to recall the horrors of the Ukrainian famine, the liquidation of the Kulaks, and the Gulag.

          Slezkine attempts to dodge the issue of the degree to which the horrors perpetrated by the early Soviet state were rooted in the traditional attitudes of the Jews who in fact played such an extensive role in their orchestration. He argues that the Jewish Communists were Communists, not Jews.

          This does not survive factual analysis.”

          Comment by Schlageter — November 27, 2015 @ 3:23 pm

          • That’s nice, did you actually read the book? It says “review” at the beginning.
            It makes sense for Jews to welcome and join the Communist Party, they suffered a great deal of persecution under the Czars. Initially Lenin encouraged the various ethnic groups from the old Russian Empire to cultivate their customs and languages in hopes that these ethnic groups would join the Soviet Union. The Ukrainians, for example, initially benefited greatly from this because the Soviets encouraged literacy in reading and writing in their native language.
            This badly backfired in the 1930’s because Stalin was suspicious of the ethnic minorities believing that they would betray the Soviet Union during an invasion. This included ALL of the ethnic minorities in the Soviet Union, including Poles, Koreans, Mongolian nomads, Jews, Germans, Chechins, etc. Stalin purged these minorities, especially in the NKVD and replaced them with ethnic Russians and Georgians. See Timothy Snyder, Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin.

            Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 4:35 pm

            • Duh. I said it was from a review. What part of that did you not understand? All that Jewish semen must be reaching your eyeballs. And before that “oh yeah… 43…no Jews were killed at Auschwitz in 43, or 42. And they stopped in 44. Yet somehow 6 million croaked”. Do you ever stop and re-read your own bullshit?

              And yes, I’ve read Snyders book. His work of Jewish apologia sits on my bookshelf.

              Comment by Schlageter — November 27, 2015 @ 5:00 pm

              • So you didn’t read the book, you only read the review.
                So you are pulling information from a book review and not the source material, which means you don’t actually know what the book says, only what someone reviewed.
                You really need to spend less time fondling yourself while watching YouTube videos of Hitler’s speeches. It causes chafing and apparently drains the blood from your brain.
                What I said was the article I read said that Spätz arrived at Birkenau in 1942. Talbot says that she arrived there in 1943. My point was that by the time she arrived at Birkenau the Germans were no longer gassing Jews at Auschwitz I.
                Seriously Schlageter you are a credit to your Nazi brothers. But what can you say about a group of individuals who worship a man who managed to get into a war with the three most industrialized countries in the world… the same time.
                Hhhhhhmmmm, I wonder why Hitler didn’t live to be a ripe old age……oh, I got it. He was too fucking stupid to figure out that the British meant it when they said they would declare war, that attacking the Soviet Union without defeating the British was a really bad idea and declaring war on terrorism the US while his troops were getting thrown back in the snow sheer lunacy.

                Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 5:32 pm

                • I have no idea how “terrorism” popped up while I was typing, please disregard.

                  Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 5:34 pm

              • Oh, I didn’t say that no Jews were killed in 1942, 1943 or 1944.
                You really need to stop trying to type with one hand busy and your attention focused on YouTube.
                1941-Jews shot by Einsatzgruppen, some gassings at Chelmno and other locations
                gassings at AR
                camps, with some
                Jews murdered at Auschwitz
                1943-AR camps closed with the killings shifting to Birkenau
                1944-primary killings at Birkenau
                Hope this helps, I wouldn’t want anymore confusion, you Nazi Goebbel guzzler.

                Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 6:12 pm

                • I find it funny that you need to throw in your silly ad homina each and every time you grasp at straws to make your silly point, which is usually some sort of explanation or backtrack of your previous point. That s the thing about the truth, HCW. It really doesn’t require all the twisted explanations and contortions you have to resort to. It’s like Occam’s Razor: simple, logical, direct, commonsense.

                  I’ve read all the mainstream works, it may even surprise you that I’ve been teachers assistant in college courses on the subject, back when I was a “true believer”.
                  Like others here I’ve been to all the “extermination camps”, and it certainly left me with more questions than answers.

                  You should try it sometime–asking questions from many here that know much more that you (and me). Unless you’re simply a Hasbara troll…which, given your reflexive and almost delusional defensiveness, is a distinct possibility

                  Comment by Schlageter — November 27, 2015 @ 8:30 pm

              • It’s been awhile since I’ve been accused of being a hasbara, Schlageter. As a matter of fact my initials HCW stand for this:
                Clever, huh?
                I actually don’t backtrack on anything. I will correct something I’ve said but I’ve always been consistent in the following:
                The Holocaust is a fact of history.
                Now, I didn’t skim through book reviews, I actually read books on it, read articles, took classes in it, etc.
                I’ve also examined Holocaust denial material, read some of the books, went to the websites.
                This is my conclusion:
                It’s all horseshit.
                It doesn’t make any sense.
                Did the Soviets make it up?
                Was it something dreamed up by British Propagandists that the allies agreed to after the war?
                Was it something the Jewish Zionists cooked up in order to create Isreal?
                All of the above?
                None of the above?
                I’m supposed to believe that some shadow cabal managed to forge documents, cook up witnesses, intimidate alleged perpetrators and get the heads of all the governments involved to agree to all of this?
                Not only that, keep this secret for the past 70 years?
                Through hundreds of trials?
                For what, the formation of the state of Isreal?
                Sorry, I live in the real world, not some phantasm.
                A phantasm that is taking its sweet time in taking over the world.
                So you, Hermie and Talbot can continue to live in a world where scary Jews rule the world and continue the “holohoax” in order to keep the masses in line. I guess that’s easier than dealing with the real world.

                Comment by HCW — November 27, 2015 @ 9:17 pm

                • Poor old Mr HCW – he boldly proclaims that “The Holocaust is a fact of history”. But when I was growing up in the 1950’s and 1960’s, there was no such historical event called “The Holocaust” – so it can hardly be described as a “fact of history”. There was certainly no mention of any “holocaust” at the Nuremburg Tribunals or the Eichmann Trial in Jerusalem, or even the series of war crimes trials held in West Germany during the 1960’s. I think some bright spark must have invented this name around about 1970, and the world thought it was good idea, and started to use this term for a set of events that occurred in WW2 – some of which is based on fact, but most of it is fantasy and outright lies.

                  Comment by Talbot — November 28, 2015 @ 9:38 am

      • Talbot! You do not know that Stalin purged the most comrades of Jewish ancestry in early thirties. While establishing in 1927 the Biro-BIdjan “Jewish automome repubblic” he put the base of discrimination of Jews living in the other regions. You usually are writing and talking about things without any knowledge of facts. Seat down on ass and study!

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — November 29, 2015 @ 3:10 am

        • Wolf, I’ve attempted to give Talbot books to read on this subject of Stalin’s true power and his anti-Semetism. Unfortunately as a relatively new convert to Holocaust denial he is reluctant to read anything that upsets his rosy new world. Like all new converts he is fanatical in his beliefs….or perhaps acting like he has just fell in love.
          In any case I would not waste your time.

          Comment by HCW — November 30, 2015 @ 7:34 am

  5. The transparency of the lies at Auschwitz and other such places probably puts the idea of revisionism into the brighter minds among the students.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — November 27, 2015 @ 10:27 am

    • probably puts

      I don’t know — the indoctrination starts early, and is pretty intensive — the stigma of Holocaust denial is also rather heavy — and kids/teens aren’t generally known for their ability to resist peer pressure — it wasn’t until after my 2nd visit to Auschwitz that I began to seriously look into revisionism — what was proven, what is prove-able.

      The project

      That’s the project alright — to guilt-/shame-trip Whites into accepting the demographic demolition of their countries — at the moment it’s full steam ahead with that “project”.

      Comment by eah — November 27, 2015 @ 11:46 am

      • It was on my FIRST trip to Dachau that I started on the road to revisionism. At that time, in 1997, there was a sign in the gas chamber which said that it was never used as a gas chamber. Now that sign is gone, and tour guides tell visitors that the Dachau gas chamber was used to gas Jews, priests, ect.

        Comment by furtherglory — November 27, 2015 @ 1:12 pm

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