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December 11, 2015

Throwing ashes of Jews into rivers — fact or fiction?

TheresienstadtGate

The gate into the Theresienstadst ghetto is shown in my photo above, taken several years ago. This place is now known as Terezín [rhymes with kerosine and gasoline].

The subject of throwing ashes into rivers came up in this recent news article:  http://m.taggmanager.cz/en/1075

Newbies, who want to know more about throwing ashes into rivers, can read about Theresienstadt on this kosher website:  http://www.outsideprague.com/terezin/terezin.html

This quote is from the kosher website cited in the link above:

The other statistics for Terezín [Theresienstadt] are equally as difficult to comprehend. Within three years 87,000 people were sent from Terezín to the concentration camps in Poland. Less than 4000 survived. The ashes of 22,000 people were thrown into the Ohře River at the end of the war, in an attempt by the SS to disguise their activities. At the beginning of the war, Terezín was a town of 7,000 inhabitants, including soldiers stationed there. By the end its population had swelled to almost 58,000. 9,000 people are buried in graves around the fortress and around 35,000 people in total perished in Terezín during the war.

My photo of one of the buildings at Theresienstadt

My photo of a building at Theresienstadt

One of the regular readers of my blog is Wolf Murmelstein, who is a survivor of Terezín,  the place formerly known as Theresienstadt.

My photo of the wall around the Theresienstadt ghetto

My photo of the wall around the Theresienstadt ghetto

As a child, Wolf was confined in the Theresienstadt ghetto where his father, Benjamin Murmelstein, was the last Jewish elder of the ghetto.

The building where Benjamin Murmelstein worked at Theresienstadt

The building where Benjamin Murmelstein worked at Theresienstadt

Wolf recently wrote this in a comment, which I have edited because English is not his first language:

On October 31, 1944, the Nazis took all the boxes containing the ashes of persons dead at Theresienstadt out of the COLOMBARIUM.

All the boxes were brought to the nearby Eger river, where a group of twenty prisoners had to empty the boxes, and throw the ashes into the river. Needless to say, those prisoners had been shot just after having done that work.

Throwing the ashes of murdered victims in the water of a river is a very old pagan rite and perfectly consistent with the Nazi doctrine of the extirpation of Jews.

Clearly the tragic story of the SONDERKOMANDO members is no way suitable for a Hollywood film [such as Son of Saul].

I have visited Theresienstadt twice, after which I wrote about it on my this section of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/CzechRepublic/Theresienstadt/TheresienstadtGhetto/History/index.html

I wrote about the ashes of the Jews on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/CzechRepublic/Theresienstadt/TheresienstadtGhetto/History/RedCrossVisit.html
The following quote is from my website:

On the outskirts of the town [Theresienstadt], the Sokol building, formerly used to house Jews who were suffering from encephalitis, was changed into a social club for cultural events with a library for the use of the Jews and a Synagogue.

A Columbarium to hold the ashes of the Jews who died in the camp was built near the crematorium and tombstones were placed on the graves in the cemetery.

The beautiful 18th century barracks buildings were refurbished and improved inside and out.

With Theresienstadt now beautified, the next step was to relieve the overcrowding in the ghetto so that the IRC [International Red Cross] would not realize the actual inhuman living conditions there.

In September 1943, December 1943 and May 1944, just before the scheduled visit, there was a total of seven transports on which 17,517 Jews were sent to the death camp at Auschwitz.

The Czech Jews from these transports were placed in a “family camp” at the Auschwitz II camp known as Birkenau. The men, women and children were allowed to stay together in contrast to the other prisoners at Auschwitz-Birkenau who had to live in separate fenced-off sections where the men and women were segregated from each other.

The Czech Jews were allowed to wear civilian clothes instead of the blue and gray striped prison uniforms that the other inmates had to wear. Most importantly, they were allowed to send letters back to Theresienstadt to tell the others about how well they were being treated in the camp.

Six months after it was opened, the “family camp” was closed and only 1,168 of the Theresienstadt prisoners survived. The rest are presumed to have perished in the gas chamber.

End quote

“That’s all she wrote, and she rubbed that out.”  [old saying]

33 Comments »

  1. Tossing the ashes to cover their tracks. Okay. I guess they told everyone the ovens were used for baking bread. Comon. That’s the best they can come up with. Why hit the river? Fly over a area with no population and dump the ashes. Hell. Take em outside on a windy day. It’s not as if they’d be able to scrape enough ashes together after that,to prove anything

    Comment by Tim — December 16, 2015 @ 10:47 am

    • Glad to hear from you again, Tim.

      Everything is fine on your side?

      Comment by hermie — December 17, 2015 @ 5:53 pm

  2. I don’t believe the Nazis disposed of 22,000 sets of human ashes into the Ohre River at all. German people wouldn’t do that sort of thing – the concept of dumping huge amounts of human remains into a fresh water river would be so despicable that it would be totally alien to their personal and national character.

    But certain Jews would do this; they would quite happily dump human remains in bulk into a flowing watercourse. They would also do it secretly when no ones watching, and then promptly shoot the prisoners who they forced to carry out the deed.

    And that – I suspect – is where this idea came from. It originated in the fevered, fetid mind of some Jew who wanted to stitch the Germans up for war crimes. He simply told his Jewish mates the story that he wanted them to spread around, and they repeated it to the newly arrived Soviet and Czech authorities. From there, it became official truth – and that’s why we’re stuck with this outlandish story to this very day.

    Comment by Talbot — December 12, 2015 @ 3:36 am

    • You wrote: “I don’t believe the Nazis disposed of 22,000 sets of human ashes into the Ohre River at all. German people wouldn’t do that sort of thing”

      You took the words right out of my mouth. German people would not do that!

      Comment by furtherglory — December 12, 2015 @ 6:10 am

      • FURTHERGLORY, TALBOT But that the fact I reported actually occured as made certain. About Germany in times of Nazism an SS said: WIR SIND NICHT IM LAND DER DICHTER UND DER DENKER SONDERN IM LAND DER RICHTER UND DER HENKER. – we are not in the country of poets and thinkers but in the country of judges and hangmen. So You have at least to understand why in Germany and other countries which passed through Nazi terror regime deny neo-nazis and other denier the so called free speech. Hitler and other like him enjoyed free speech what the denied as soon as on power and caused the great disaster of WWII; So they do not want to repeat the same errors. Hatred sprayers should not enjoy free speech in order to avoid other tragedies; keep that in mind before denying fact unfortunately occured. Clear at last?

        Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 12, 2015 @ 8:32 am

        • Doctor Murmelstein – you quoted that sentence above in German, and then translated it into English; but now you’ve got to inform us which SS leader, or senior officer, spoke these words publicly. Where did he make this speech. To which audience did he address these words – and on what date did he make them?

          Comment by Talbot — December 12, 2015 @ 9:58 am

          • TALBOT. That sentence is quoted in the book of Eugen Kogom as said by an SS Officer at that Concentration Camp and reflects wery well the way of Nazi thinking, About III Reich and Holocaust I am certainly better infromed than You ever can be even when seating down and studying history,

            Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 12, 2015 @ 12:33 pm

            • But do you not see your problem Doctor Murmelstein; that for all your great learning and studying of the Third Reich and the “holocaust”, you are unable to provide us with credible, verifiable, sources for much of your information and quotes.

              I asked for the name of the SS officer who said those words that you quoted, and you are unable to do that. You just picked it out of a book written by Eugen Kogom. Well, how we do know that Mr Kogom didn’t just make this quotation up from out of his own imagination? But if Mr Kogom was to write in his book the SS officer’s name, rank, the date he spoke these words, and the audience to whom he made this statement, then we could give some credence to the truthfulness of the quotation.

              Comment by Talbot — December 12, 2015 @ 2:21 pm

              • TALBOT. i have read it in the book of Kogon – DER SS STAAT – 2° edoition – where it is difficult to find the references. Maybe I can find it easily or You oughy to trust me.

                Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 13, 2015 @ 2:15 am

                • I have blogged about Eugen Kogon several times: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/eugen-kogon/

                  Comment by furtherglory — December 13, 2015 @ 5:54 am

                • FG wrote the following summary about Eugen Kogon;-

                  “One of the most famous inmates of Buchenwald was 43 year old Dr. Eugen Kogon, the Austrian Social Democrat and political activist, who was a prisoner in the Buchenwald camp from September 1939 until April 1945.”

                  It thus becomes clear that Dr Kogon was far from being an impartial and reliable source of information regarding any quotations from SS personnel. He was a political enemy of the National Socialists, and was held as a prisoner in a Nazi camp for five and a half years. He therefore not only had a strong political motive to denigrate and condemn his former opponents, but also probably wanted to pursue a personal vendetta against his former jailors.

                  It is interesting to note that the American liberators of Buchenwald chose Dr Kogon to hastily compose some testimony against the SS camp administration. They obviously knew that he could be relied upon to produce the necessary information about alleged brutality and mistreatment that would help them carry out their war crimes trials. And it would appear that Doctor Kogon happily obliged!

                  Comment by Talbot — December 15, 2015 @ 2:33 am

                • TALBOT. Eugen Kogon had been a Christian Socialist and had been even interestred to learn about the “ideas” of the Nazis. Having been at Buchenwald in a position where he could see and hear many things – secretary of an SS Doctor – he ougth to be considered an important source of information.
                  Noteworthy that he discussed the content of his book before printing with some fellow inmates who too had hold qualified positions.
                  Who does know little or nothing about a Concentration Camp is hardly entitled to express heavy critics.

                  Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 15, 2015 @ 7:56 am

                • @Wolf Murmelstein

                  I appreciate that you are unhappy with my constant questioning and heavy criticism of events surrounding the holocaust, but you must forgive me for this. You – and very few other people still alive – are the last generation of WW2 survivors who can provide us with a clear, factual and truthful account of this period in history. So much of what has been written and broadcast over the decades has been coloured by the propaganda requirements of wartime and post-war Europe. Therefore, it is so important that you contribute to the historical record by recounting faithfully your own observations and understandings of what actually during that period – rather than what you have read, or what you have been led to believe by others ( such as Dr. Eugen Kogon, for example ) .

                  Your father was the last Jewish elder of the Therensienstadt Ghetto, and what he said to you personally – and what he wrote in his journal – is absolutely crucial for later generations to study, analyse, and assess, so as to find out what really happened during that terrible period of modern history.

                  In fact, your own father’s dealings with the SS administration – plus the enormous conflicting pressures he faced from the other inmates of Theresienstadt is very important for future historical research. But just because he found himself personally in an unfortunate and desperately unenviable situation, does not mean that – 70 years on – the rest of us should just accept, without questioning, the orthodox view of WW2 and the holocaust.

                  Comment by Talbot — December 15, 2015 @ 9:07 am

  3. Holohoaxsters and their useful idiots often claim that in order to prop their crazy figures, hoping people don’t know that corpse cremation leaves all kinds of remains (ashes, bone fragments, teeth) which can be found and studied if looked for. Such claim merely displace the problem. Cremation doesn’t make corpses just disappear from the earth’s surface as told or implied by Holohoaxsters. Ashes sediment on riverbeds. Bone fragments and teeth sink and settle where they were dumped and remain at those locations. Such remains can be recovered and quantified. The fact that the obscurantist Zionist Holo-lobby didn’t even try to recover and investigate such remains is telling in itself.

    https://holocausthistorychannel.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/screenshot-26.png?w=1280&h=998
    https://holocausthistorychannel.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/recovery-of-cremation-remains-from-bodies-of-water/

    I’m not saying that no cremation remains were dumped into water during WW2, but a significant part of the alleged dead Holo-Jews were very probably ‘dumped’ onto ships sailing to Palestine, America and other sunny places…

    Comment by hermie — December 11, 2015 @ 10:13 pm

    • I’m not saying that no cremation remains were dumped into water during WW2

      As I recall, after hanging those condemned at the IMT (ebenso Göring, der Selbstmord begangen hat), the corpses were cremated and the ashes dumped in the river Isar — does that count?

      Comment by eah — December 12, 2015 @ 12:25 am

      • No, that doesn’t count. I was talking about human remains and Goyim are not human. Frequent misunderstanding and confusion. There are even Goyim who, quite funnily and naively, believe that ‘human rights’ apply to them too…

        Comment by hermie — December 12, 2015 @ 8:07 am

        • HERMIE! For centuries we Jews had been insulted and persecuted by inhuman goyim. Clear at last?

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 12, 2015 @ 12:35 pm

          • Perhaps you’ve been insulted and persecuted by Goyim for centuries because you regard(ed) them as non-Chosen subhumans, accordingly to your Talmudic teachings. Spend some time thinking about that. Could save your ass next time…😉

            Influential Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson depicted Jews and Gentiles as 2 different species, in body and even more in soul. No need to add that I agree with “the last Lubavitcher Rebbe” on that.

            Zionist leader Na(c)hum Goldmann described the way he and the Jews of his Lithuanian Shtetl “felt ten or a hundred times the Superior” of their Gentile neighbors, illiterate peasants, or “these lowly tillers of the soil” as he put it.

            Similar examples could be multiplied ad infinitum, but that would be a waste of time.

            Comment by hermie — December 12, 2015 @ 9:34 pm

            • HERMIE! 1. The list of Christian authors, church fathers, monks, etc. who for centuries incited the people against us is much longer. And those hatred sprayers had been followed by the Nazi “thinkers” and so on. 2. Furthermore I in no way care about what certain figures said or wrote as I am using my brain. 3. We had been taught to PRAY FOR WELLBEING OF THE COUNTRY WHERE WE HAD BEEN SENT, for the WELLBEING OF KINGS AND PRINCES and that THE LAW OF KINGOM IS LAW. 4. Please avoid in replying my comments to quote Nahum Goldmann I have personal reason to hate.

              Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 13, 2015 @ 2:32 am

              • Pissing contest…

                You say that Jewish anti-Goyism is caused by Gentile anti-Semitism while I say that White Gentile anti-Semistism comes from Jewish anti-Goyism. Seems we’re stuck in a chicken or egg causality dilemma. But we [should] at least reach the same conclusion: both races just hate each other and can’t live together…

                Comment by hermie — December 13, 2015 @ 7:37 am

                • HERMIE! When there are not troublemakers around It is possible to live and work toghether for mutual benefit. As soon trouble malers enjoyimg free speech come preaching hatred or so we all will lose in wellbeing and things will go worse and worse. Trouble makers can be preachers, writers, philosophers, poets, etc. without any difference of race or religion. Clear at last?

                  Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 14, 2015 @ 7:53 am

                • It is clear to me that no one may ever utter anything that might incline one person (or group) to feel disaffection for any other person (or group). Or, if they ARE to be permitted any such utterance, it must first be cleared with the censors and then uttered verbatim as approved, at the time and in the place where such utterance was approved.

                  Now, WHO shall be the censors?

                  Comment by Jett Rucker — December 14, 2015 @ 8:18 am

                • You may not be aware the Wolf does not speak, nor write, fluent English. I edit many of his comments to correct his English. I doubt that Wolf will understand what you are saying. I think that his main language now is Italian, but I am sure that he is also fluent in German.

                  Comment by furtherglory — December 14, 2015 @ 9:15 am

                • Es ist mir ganz deutlich, dass niemand darf in irgendeiner Weise, irgend etwas aussprechen, das irgendjemand anderes irgendetwas schlechtes von irgendeinem anderen zu glauben bemühen könnte, Wenn so etwas bestattet sei, muss es zuvor von einem Zensor bestattet werden, und danach, genau so ausgesprochen, wie bestattet, und zu der bestatteten Zeit und Ort.

                  Und noch bleibt die Frage: WER soll der Zensor sein?

                  Comment by Jett Rucker — December 14, 2015 @ 10:12 am

                • wolf wrote: “HERMIE! When there are not troublemakers around It is possible to live and work toghether for mutual benefit.”

                  I do agree on that.

                  And my favorite uncle do too…😉

                  “The Jews must pack up, disappear from Europe. Let them go to Russia. Where the Jews are concerned, I’m devoid of all sense of pity. They’ll always be the ferment that moves peoples one against the other. They sow discord everywhere, as much between individuals as between peoples. They’ll also have to clear out of Switzerland and Sweden.” – Adolf Hitler, January 27, 1942.

                  Let’s give peace a chance. Let’s believe in a real peace for Europe, a peace in freedom (not the ugly subjugation and domestication of the vassal states of EU by the Americano-Zionist imperial forces), or in other words a “peace without Jews”.


                  August 8, 1940

                  Comment by hermie — December 14, 2015 @ 7:48 pm

                • JET RUCKER! Plain English does permit to express clearly ones view. For instance as long in Spain rulers had been tollerant there had been economic growt for general benefit. As soon as bigotry prevailed econonic conditions worsened. In the XVI century Spain made it by exploiting Shouth American colonies and throwing gold on European market causing an inflation and so social unrest leading to revolts and wars. If You wish I can quote other cases. Best.

                  Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 15, 2015 @ 8:09 am

      • I’m going to take your silence on my idea of a business called “Hug a Denier Today” as a no.
        I want you to know that I am deeply disappointed by this. I am still touched (not in a gross way) by your description of the persecution these victims of the “Thought Police” have suffered.
        I spilled some iced tea on the floor to honor these “homies” but my wife yelled at me and made me clean it up so I don’t think I can do that anymore.
        So, I decided to change my name from “HCW” to “HADT.”
        It stands for “Hug A Denier Today.”
        I did this for you, buddy.
        You stay strong.
        Fight the power.
        Rage Against the Machine.

        Comment by HADT — December 12, 2015 @ 8:20 am

    • HERMIE AND OTHER DENIERS: Unless You state actual figure and times of Jewish emigration from Europe to Palestine-Israel, USA, and other stateds I can say You are talking non sense, worse the lies.

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 12, 2015 @ 8:36 am

      • How coul I, wolfie? Assuming population statistics aren’t mere politically-biased lies and distortions most of time (what they in fact are), the Zionists and the victorious Soviet-Allies would, of course, not have crushed their own wartime atrocity propaganda with inconvenient statistics about Jewish migrations. They were quite stupid, but not that stupid. UNRRA Lieutenant-General Frederick Morgan was fired for spilling the beans about that, about the Zionist-led “Second Exodus”.

        Comment by hermie — December 12, 2015 @ 9:51 pm

        • HERMIE: In most of replies You show to have many documents and data. So I can only say that You perfectly know that actual figures would prove that many statements about Jewish mass emigration in war time is only non sense and negationist propaganda. So You as other negationist cannot deny that at least six milion Jews had been vcitims of the Holocaust.

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — December 13, 2015 @ 2:39 am

          • Indeed. I have enough documents and data to know that the 6-million figure was mere Zionist atrocity propaganda, already used decades prior to WW2 and as worn as possible when the ‘Holocaust’ allegedly occured. And I also have enough documents and data to know who was one the first guys coming up with that figure during WW2, as early as in June 1940: your good friend Nahum Goldmann.😉

            “6,000,000 Jews are doomed to destruction if the victory of the Nazis should be final.” – Nahum Goldmann, June 1940.

            Comment by hermie — December 13, 2015 @ 7:49 am

            • The 6 million figure is set in stone and can never change. Even when the number of deaths at Auschwitz changed from 4 million down to 1.1 million and the number of deaths at Majdanek changed from 1.5 million down to 59,000, the 6 million number remained the same.

              Into the valley of death rode the 6 million. Similar to the charge of the Light Brigade: http://www.nationalcenter.org/ChargeoftheLightBrigade.html

              Comment by furtherglory — December 13, 2015 @ 10:48 am

  4. I discovered a plot to dispose of the ashes of Jews down a creek in NORTH CAROLINA. See http://codohfounder.com/the-death-mill-of-blowing-rock/

    Comment by Jett Rucker — December 11, 2015 @ 9:30 am


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