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January 4, 2016

Into the valley of death rode the 6 million

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , , , , — furtherglory @ 6:17 am
Famous slogan of the Holocaust on the gate into Auschwitz

Famous slogan of the Holocaust on the gate into the Auschwitz main camp

The title of my blog post today is a play on words.  When I was a child, many years ago, every school child in America could recite these words, from a poem written by Alfred, Lord Tennyson :

Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

I thought about this poem when I read about the rabbi who recently said that only one million Jews died in the Holocaust, not 6 million.  He has now apologized. Thankfully, he was not thrown into prison for 5 years or more, for Holocaust denial, when he made this grave insult to the Jews. Everyone in the world knows the sacred number of 6 million.

Prisoners at Dachau after they were liberated

Prisoners at Dachau after they were liberated by American soldiers

This quote is from the news article:

New York-based haredi Orthodox rabbi apologized for saying that only about 1 million halachic Jews died in the Holocaust.

[…]

“The Kedoshim of the Holocaust need to be remembered and sanctified in the most honorable way possible. My goal was to wake up our nation to the silent holocaust that is happening now which is the increasing intermarriage cases in the U.S.A. and the rest of the world.”

Mizrachi said his words were taken out of context since only part of the video, made several years ago, was broadcast.

In the video posted Tuesday on his YouTube channel, Mizrachi cited high assimilation rates in Europe before World War II to make his claim that 80 percent of those identified as Jews killed by the Nazis during the Holocaust were not Jewish according to halachah, or Jewish law.

The news article begins with this quote:

A New York-based haredi Orthodox rabbi apologized for saying that only about 1 million halachic Jews died in the Holocaust.

“I wish to apologize for my incorrect statement regarding the six million Kedoshim (holy ones) that were tragically murdered in the Holocaust,” Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi said in an apology emailed to the Yeshiva World News, the news website reported Sunday.

Mizrachi, who has posted thousands of popular outreach lectures online, said in the apology, “I have been shown the accurate statistics and I realize that those that were not halachically Jewish were a very small minimal number. I do not wish to offend any of the Holocaust survivors or their family members it has never ever been my intention.

“The Kedoshim of the Holocaust need to be remembered and sanctified in the most honorable way possible. My goal was to wake up our nation to the silent holocaust that is happening now which is the increasing intermarriage cases in the U.S.A. and the rest of the world.”

Mizrachi said his words were taken out of context since only part of the video, made several years ago, was broadcast.

End quote

 

So that’s what Mizrachi is concerned about: the increasing mixed marriage of Jews and non-Jews.
I blame it on the most popular TV show in America: The Big Bang Theory. On this show, two of the main characters, a Jewish man and a Catholic girl get married.  Even worse, the Jewish mother approves of this union.
All of you goyim out there, just remember that 6 million is a sacred number which everyone in the world knows. Don’t deny the sacred 6 million!
But where is the proof of the sacred 6 million, you ask?
This quote from an article, which you can read in full here explains it:
Begin quote

One of the most well-known, if not iconic, facts known about the Holocaust is the number of Jewish victims killed by Nazi Germany up through the end of World War II. Perhaps not surprisingly, it is also this number – six million – that Holocaust deniers aim at when trying to discredit the essential nature of the Holocaust.

Where did the number six million come from? And considering the amount of original research that has been done in recent decades, is it still considered accurate by scholars of the subject?

The number seems to have first been mentioned by Dr. Wilhelm Hoettl, an Austrian-born official in the Third Reich and a trained historian who served in a number of senior positions in the SS.

In November 1945, Hoettl testified for the prosecution in the Nuremberg trials of accused Nazi war criminals. Later, in the 1961 trial in Israel of Adolf Eichmann, he also submitted to a lengthy series of questions from the prosecution, speaking under oath from a courtroom in Austria.

End quote

 

70 Comments »

  1. Robert Kempner helped himself to Alfred Rosenberg’s diary at Nuremburg and brought it home with him. This article about how it was found is probably disinformation put into place to make U.S. Customs and Immigration officers appear extra vigiiant when the reality of it is most of them probably don’t have a clue who Rosenberg was. The breathless Jew quoted as announcing they now have “the silver bullet, ” and the “smoking gun” to prove Nazis gassed Jews by the millions is essentially just acting as a carnival barker for the USHMM which will enshrine this stolen diary that turned out not to contain any genocidal entries. Kempner was a prevaricator and thief and, as Talbot theorizes, he was probably tasked by someone in the U.S. Army Department of Psychological Warfare SHAEF to create evidence to prop the extermination legend up which the Allies first floated at the Nuremburg IMTusing creativily edited motion picture film. Nuremburg was the first time in the history of American jurisprudence that a movie was entered as evidence in a court of law. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/long-lost-diary-of-nazi-alfred-rosenberg-turned-over-to-holocaust-museum/2013/12/17/b422b260-6738-11e3-8b5b-a77187b716a3_story.html

    Comment by who dares wings — January 6, 2016 @ 10:54 am

    • Here is my latest interview with Ben Bradberry the author of The Myth of German Villainy

      Comment by jrizoli — January 6, 2016 @ 3:03 pm

      • Unfortunately, the You tube video cut out just as Ben was starting to talk about what happened after WW2 broke out. But he is obviously well read, and knowledgeable about European History from 1870 onwards.

        I think the name of the railway that the Germans were planning to build through Turkey before WW1 was known as the Berlin to Baghdad railway line. Britain, France and Russia were basically hostile to this. Not only did it mean German expansion in to south east Europe which could clash with Russia’s imperial interests there, but also into the Levant where France had a stake. But Britain was the most alarmed, because it would open up a viable land route to the Persian Gulf, and thus potentially threaten Britain’s strategic interests in Persia and Arabia, but also their Empire’s crown jewel – India.

        Comment by Talbot — January 6, 2016 @ 6:19 pm

        • The video with Ben Bradberry seems to be working all the way through. Not sure if it was just your computer or just a slow internet connection

          Comment by jrizoli — January 6, 2016 @ 7:20 pm

  2. Talbot:
    I’m going to answer your inquiry about the number of victims who were gassed here.
    Approximately 2.5 million Jews were gassed. In addition, about 1 million Jews were shot. The rest of the dead can be accounted for through death by starvation, maltreatment and disease.
    Your next question will be:
    How does this add up to 6 million?
    My answer is:
    It doesn’t. Only deniers squeak on and on about “6 million” like it is some sort of magical incantation.
    Estimates for the Holocaust range from 4.8 million to 5.5 million. Some estimates range as high as 5.9 million. There is a tendency to round up.
    Your question:
    Why, after 70 years, can’t someone give a straight answer about the numbers regarding the Holocaust?
    My answer:
    A valid question. One of the main problems is the Nazis made a concerted effort to destroy evidence. This makes the numbers somewhat hard to calculate.
    However, this isn’t just an issue with the Holocaust.
    Historians disagree on the amount of dead for WW II.
    An example of this is the estimated German dead. I’ve seen numbers ranging from 6.6 to 8.8 million dead (all deaths, including military and civilian dead).
    To break this down further, Historian Max Hastings puts the number of German civilian dead from allied bombing at 600,000 while Historian Ian Kershaw puts the amount of dead at 400,000. So, who is right? I can’t say. Both probably used different research methods to arrive at their numbers.
    What I can say is they are both probably somewhat right and around 500,000 German civilians died due to allied bombing.
    I’ll go even farther. As a US citizen one of the defining periods of our history was the American Civil War, fought between 1861-1865.
    Estimated military death toll:
    620,000
    750,000
    850,000
    I got those numbers by running a Google search.
    Now, you’d think that in around 150 years we could figure out how many military deaths we had in one of the most important and defining periods in our history. The truth is, history is a fluid process. The more time that goes by the more information emerges.
    As far as the other victims of Nazi aggression, the disabled, the Roma/Sinti and some of the Soviet POWs were gassed. Some of the above also died from disease, malnutrition and mistreatment. The Germans also shot Poles but some of them died through maltreatment and malnutrition. The Ukrainians, Belorussians and Russians died from maltreatment and malnutrition. These are deaths by other than direct military involvement.
    Jeff

    Comment by HAD — January 6, 2016 @ 8:22 am

    • Thanks, Jeff – you made a valiant attempt to explain the numbers of deaths. There is no doubt that far too many people perished on all sides in that terrible conflict, and it has left a terrible pall over mankind in general, and Europe in particular.

      But I still don’t believe any “gassings” took place anywhere in Nazi-occupied Europe. The explanations for how such a process worked, and how the enormous number of bodies disappeared is simply not viable. Only at Bergen-Belsen does there seem to be verifiable mass pits of bodies, whereas everywhere else there are either small cemeteries – or its just assumed that there are large burial sites of human remains. Consequently, I’m quite certain in my own mind that no Holocaust ever took place either in Poland or Germany.

      What took place within the German-occupied Soviet Union is still very much a closed book however. Even today, we don’t really know the scale, or the nature of Nazi policy towards the native Russian/Ukrainian/Baltic and Jewish populations. There were certainly some ugly massacres that took place in Lithuania and Latvia in 1941. In addition, I’ve heard that the Jewish populations of sizeable cities in Byelorussia – such as Brest and Minsk – were first rounded up into ghettos, before being sent on to labour camps. What happened to them there, and afterwards, is unclear.

      You are quite right that far too many Jews died of malnutrition, illnesses and mistreatment, and I personally think that a solid case of criminal irresponsibilty can be made against the Nazis there.

      Comment by Talbot — January 6, 2016 @ 3:54 pm

  3. So you’re using a rabbi’s intolerance toward less-observant members of the Jewish faith – all of whom were equally exterminated by the Nazis – as a claim that because he says that only one million of those murdered for being Jewish were “observantly” Jewish, therefore the rest murdered somehow don’t matter, and only the one million of those who were religiously observant to this rabbi’s standards? This doesn’t even make sense. Do you not understand that all people of Jewish ancestry were murdered for this ancestry, whether or not they were “observant,” much less observant to the standards of some extremist rabbi? You don’t seem to, or you wouldn’t be twisting around his intolerance in such an inapplicable way.

    Comment by Halli — January 4, 2016 @ 7:53 pm

    • You keep getting into this baloney about Jews being killed by the Nazis. Bottom line 350000 people died in the camps half of them might of been Jews they died of natural causes sickness death and disease. If they were hostile to the German government they would be executed for crimes against the government.
      For some reason the Jews think that only Jews deaths matter many other people died during the war the Jews just took up a small part of it.

      Comment by jrizoli — January 4, 2016 @ 9:32 pm

      • So even if your number was accurate and supported, accepting it for the sake of this comment, 350,000 people literally killed because of their religion when forced into inhumane, crowded, unsanitary conditions without necessary food, medical care, clean water, and sanitation, as prisoners, without trial, simply because of their religion – innocent men, women, and children, elderly or babies, “observant” to this fanatical rabbi’s standards or not – this is ok with you, because it was “sickness and disease?” Which they never would have been exposed to, subject to, or in such inhumane conditions if they were not forced into them, punishable by death if they did not abide, due to their religion, as prisoners, with no charges, no trial, and no basic rights? I am baffled how you think that any of these deaths were “natural” just because many occurred from “sickness and disease” when the causes of this “sickness and disease” were the abominable conditions innocent people were forced into.

        Regarding your claim of what you believe “Jews think,” you clearly speak from an equally baseless position. Of the 11 million innocent people killed in the Holocaust – yes, many from “sickness and disease” caused by lack of nutrition and basic sanitation, making these forced conditions leading to death anything but “natural” – 5 million were non-Jews: gypsies, the disabled, political prisoners, and many more. Any Jews who have any basic knowledge of the Holocaust know that nearly as many non-Jews as Jews were killed in the Holocaust. Obviously many more also died “during the war” – that tends to happen “during a war.” Your false beliefs of what OTHERS believe does not make that true as to what you accuse “Jews” in general of “thinking.” Yes, millions of non-Jews were brutally murdered as well – and your presumption of Jews not knowing this could not be more wrong.

        Comment by Halli — January 5, 2016 @ 2:07 pm

        • The Dachau concentration camp prisoners were classified by nationality and by the type of crime allegedly committed. When the Dachau camp was liberated on April 29, 1945, the largest number of prisoners in the whole Dachau system, including the 123 sub-camps, were classified as political prisoners, who numbered 43,401; the majority of them were Catholic. The political prisoners included Communists, Social Democrats, anarchists, spies, and anti-Fascist resistance fighters from the Nazi occupied countries such as France, Belgium, Norway, the Netherlands, and Poland.

          Before World War II started in 1939, the number of foreigners in the Dachau main camp was insignificant, as most of the prisoners were German or Austrian, including a few Jews. During the war, the Germans and Austrians were a minority among the Dachau prisoners; the average number of Germans at Dachau during the war was about 3,000, according to The Official Report by the U.S. Seventh Army, which was based on two days of interviews with the survivors of the camp.

          The Official Report states on page 16: “Some two thousand Germans were evacuated and killed in the last big transport a few days before our occupation of Dachau.” Other sources say that the German prisoners were released and forced to serve in the German Army.

          The largest national group in the main Dachau camp was the Polish prisoners, followed by Russians, French, Yugoslavs, Germans, Jews and Czechs, according to the Official Report.

          The Official Report by the U.S. Seventh Army listed the following statistics for the Dachau main camp after the camp was liberated:

          Poles: 9,200; Russians: 3,900; French: 3,700; Yugoslavs: 3,200; Jews: 2,100; Czechoslovaks: 1,500; Germans: 1,000. There was also a combined total of 1,000 Belgians, Hungarians, Italians, Austrians, Greeks, etc.

          The concentration camps were not just for Jews.

          Comment by furtherglory — January 5, 2016 @ 4:18 pm

          • According to the Jews World War 2 was all about them.

            Comment by jrizoli — January 5, 2016 @ 5:35 pm

            • No, according to you, WW II was about the Jews. For the sane people WW II was about German aggression towards its neighbors and Japanese militarism in the Far East.
              Jeff

              Comment by HAD — January 5, 2016 @ 6:33 pm

              • HAD wrote: ” For the sane people WW II was about German aggression towards its neighbors”

                Mistyping? Didn’t you rather mean “sane sheeple”? Sane sheeple not infected with the virus of thinking abilities, a very serious disease in Orwellian societies like ours. The others, the infected ones, regard the official narrative as a good joke and the Polish excuse for WW2 as a ridiculous fairy tale for kids, as ridiculous as the Belgian excuse for the Anglo-American involvement in WW1. Different times, same tricks and liars, same desperate defenders of convenient & flattering fables…

                Comment by hermie — January 9, 2016 @ 7:50 am

                • The Jews couldn’t survive as a people if they didn’t have someone to blame for their sins and bad manners.
                  Everyone is a bad guy that speaks against the Jews. The Jews are smart on how they handle it though because even after 75 years they HoloHoax propaganda continues to rise above the truth and gullible goyim continue to believe it.
                  It’s hard to respect a group of people that live their life on lies.

                  Comment by jrizoli — January 9, 2016 @ 8:45 am

                • I really do like the word, “sheeple.”
                  Well, let us examine the facts:
                  In 1939 the British and French signed an agreement with Poland to protect them from German aggression. This in effect said, “Seriously, we mean it this time. Invade Poland and we will declare war on you.”
                  This in effect put the ball in Hitler’s court. He knew that if he invaded Poland that France and Britain would declare war on him.
                  He did it anyway and the British and French declared war on him. What a shocker.
                  Next, with a defiant Britain still holding out Hitler turns around and invades the Soviet Union.
                  And the Soviets resist.
                  What a shocker. I guess Hitler thought they wouldn’t resist.
                  What a boner on his part, don’t you think?
                  Next, with his armies fully engaged in the Soviet Union Hitler decides that it would be great idea to declare war on the US. The unreachable US whose industrial capabilities far outstripped Germany.
                  Oopsie.
                  Hitler:
                  History’s biggest dumbass.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — January 9, 2016 @ 10:42 am

                • I don’t know, Rizoli. The Jews seemed perfectly capable of surviving on their own until Hitler decided the planet would be a better place without them.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — January 9, 2016 @ 10:46 am

                • Jeff wrote: “In 1939 the British and French signed an agreement with Poland to protect them from German aggression.”

                  Not the way British PM Neville Chamberlain understood it.

                  “Chamberlain (speaking off the record to Joseph Kennedy while playing golf) stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war. ”

                  But it’s true that he had been at the right place to feel the pressure from the White House requiring Britain to be less cool with Germany, and to hear Ian Colvin of the Zionist-led Focus Group tell him in March 1939 that a German invasion of Poland was imminent (what, of course, prevented Britain from checking his claims before falling into the bed of the Polish military junta).

                  Comment by hermie — January 11, 2016 @ 7:31 pm

          • FURTHERGLORY. In war times certain prisoniers could choice to enlist in a STRAFFBATALION of the SS. The DIRLEWANGER unit is famous. Kogon states that even the Wehrmach claimed to obtain prisoniers to enlist. Many political prisoniers stood at blacklist of persons who should not survive. A matter not investigated properly.

            Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 6, 2016 @ 12:38 am

  4. Bravo Talbot! What a great post. Of course, Alan Dulles in Bern used and protected Hoettl. The intelligence angle hasn’t been explored enough by revisionists whose nitpicking over and recycling, since the1989 Zundel trial, of concentration camp forensics has served only to stall the momentum the “movement” had when I stumbled onto it. Hermie gets a 2nd Place silver medal today for helping clear away some of the fog surrounding the reasons why America’s influential leading Zionists – Steven Wise, Samuel Untermeyer, Chaim Weitzman and Hillel Kook (aka Peter Bergson) – pressured the Roosevelt administration (riddled with treasonous Judeo-Bolsheviks and “fellow travelers”) into dragging America, kicking and screaming, back into another World War with Germany. re Hoettl’s confession reported at David Irving’s website reminds me of this Victor Cavendish-Bentinck’s PWE memo about the gas chamber legend which Irving brought up at his trial, but which he now seems not to put as much stock in as the matching Hungarian transport totals found in the Höfle telegram and the Korherr Report. http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/Cavendish_Bentinck.pdf

    Comment by who dares wings — January 4, 2016 @ 1:38 pm

  5. According to Wikipedia, this Dr. Wilhelm Hoettl seemed to spend most of his career in Intelligence work – both for Nazi Germany and the USA. He was employed during the war itself in the RHSA, or Germany’s central intelligence and security agency – the Reich main security office.

    In March 1944 he was transferred to Budapest as an intelligence officer working for Himmler’s office, and also liaising with the German ambassador to Hungary. While there, he was in contact with American agents in Bern, Switzerland. He later claimed, that while in Budapest, he had a conversation in his office with Eichmann. There is no precise date for this meeting in August 1944, and there is no witness to what was said – let alone any record of it. But Hoettl later claimed, as a prosecution witness at the Nuremburg Trials, that Eichmann had told him that 4 million Jews had already perished in Germany and Poland, and 2 million others in the occupied Soviet Union.

    Immediately after the end of the war, he handed himself into US custody, who held him Germany and then Austria until he was released in 1948. Interestingly and suspiciously – considering his rank in the SS – the Americans refused to hand him over for trial in a ‘Peoples Court’ in Austria, and soon afterwards Hoettl was working for the American CIC (Counter Intelligence Corps). While employed there, he became senior enough to take command of no less than two major espionage operations.

    In 1961, Hoettl gave sworn evidence at the Eichmann trial, where he basically repeated the “6 million” story to the Jerusalem Court. But note; he himself did not attend the court, but gave his sworn evidence by telephone or radio link from a court in Austria ( that’s if you want to believe that – he could have been sitting in a CIC office anywhere in Europe – and wasn’t under any kind of oath to tell the truth at all! )

    So to sum up; Wilhem Hoettl worked in the field of intelligence gathering, subterfuge, infiltration, espionage and spying. By mid-1944 he was senior enough in the RHSA to know for certain that Germany was going to lose the war, and thus he contacted US intelligence agents in Switzerland to let them know if they ever wanted a helpful guy with plenty of intelligence info. in the future – then he was their man!

    And that’s why he performed his useful role of spouting out the 6 million lie at both the Nuremburg and the Eichmann trials – he was dutifully carrying out his US employer’s policy i.e;- willingly being used as part of a “psy-op” designed to convince the world that the “Jewish genocide” myth had actually occurred during WW2.

    On David Irving’s website, we find that on the 18th April 1996, Wilhelm Hoetll admitted to an Austrian correspondent “that he no longer believed the six million figure to be true. In fact he disowned authorship of the figure.” In other words, we find an old man stricken by conscience, who wants to put the record straight, and try and atone for performing such an enormous deceit upon the world.

    Comment by Talbot — January 4, 2016 @ 11:36 am

    • TALBOT. Kindly quote that Austrian correspondent who heard Hoetll say he not believed any more the six milion figure,

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 4, 2016 @ 12:42 pm

      • Unfortunately, I don’t know the name of the Austrian correspondent. Irving states that the name has been withheld – for understandable reasons. So we either have to accept what he writes or reject it.

        I must admit, its not conclusive, but seeing that there is an actual date that the alleged interview took place, then there might be some truth to the story.

        Comment by Talbot — January 4, 2016 @ 1:01 pm

        • TALBOT. Here too we have the question of WHO IS A JEW? I believe that the figure of six milion of victims “exterminated as Jews” is even underestimated. No one could consider the victims having had only Jewish ancestors as the Nazis did not left statistics of all their victims. How should we consider a Jewish comunist or socialist or nationalist of an occupied country? How should we consider Edith Stein – a jewess converted and then nun – but killed at Auschwitz?

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 5, 2016 @ 1:04 am

          • wolf wrote: “Here too we have the question of WHO IS A JEW? I believe that the figure of six milion of victims “exterminated as Jews” is even underestimated.”

            As the 6-million figure came from Zionists and the Zionists (except the most rigoristic Mizrachi Zionists) used to define who was a Jew and who wasn’t a Jew according to the very same criteria as those used by the Nazis, it seems very unlikely.

            Comment by hermie — January 5, 2016 @ 5:58 am

          • @Wolf Murmelstein. “WHO IS A JEW” is a question that I personally am not qualified to answer. The Nazis – who were clearly racist in their ideology as well as their actual policies, decided to categorise Jews as a distinct “Race”, regardless of religious or political conversions. But from what I understand, even they themselves got into an almighty muddle as to who could be classed as Jewish or not, because so many mixed marriages dating back into the 19th century complicated that kind of “blank cheque” categorisation.

            You write “I believe that the figure of six million “exterminated as Jews” is even underestimated”. But that is the key word – “estimated”. All these figures and totals that have been banded about over the last 70 years are precisely that – estimated. They are just based on people’s own guesswork. I note that even poor old Yad Vashem is struggling to get the numbers of so-called “exterminated” Jewish victims above four and a half million – and some of those names are people who left Europe before WW2 broke out, or who died many years after the war was over.

            Comment by Talbot — January 5, 2016 @ 6:22 am

            • TALBOT. Estimated had been based on comparision between pre-war and post-war figures of Jews affiliated with a comunity. I repeat that such an estimate hardly can consider the victims who had not been affiliated with a comunity.

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 5, 2016 @ 8:50 am

        • Sorry, Talbot. I can’t believe anything David Irving says. I don’t “understand” why Irving is withholding the reporters name. This prevents any fact checking which is not surprising considering how often Irving falsified the historical record.
          I posted a copy of “Lying about Hitler,” Richard Evan’s book about the Lipstadt/Irving libel trial. I suggest you read it. If you need a copy I’ll post it again.
          Jeff

          Comment by HAD — January 6, 2016 @ 10:05 am

          • Fair enough, Jeff – by withholding the correspondent’s name, then we can’t accept what Irving wrote as conclusive evidence. But his explanation for not publishing the name is quite valid. If the holocaust industry and the Austrian government found about such an interview, then she would certainly lose her job and never work in the mainstream media again. In addition – there might be a prison sentence as well! One could argue, therefore, that Irving was being cautious and sensible in protecting his source from such an outcome.

            Richard Evans was a defence witness at the Lipstadt trial, and Irving was scathing towards him as an academic, establishment historian. Whereas he took pride in going back to what he called “primary sources” to gain material for his books. I salute him for that, but of course, one can make mistakes and terrible misjudgements in the interpretation of such material. So I don’t think its a case of him deliberately lying – but he could be accused of being far too eager to jump to his own conclusions!

            Comment by Talbot — January 6, 2016 @ 4:19 pm

            • Fair enough about the reporter. Did he post the article or just a summary?
              As for Richard Evans, he is a well known respected historian (though he has a reputation as a curmudgeon). His “Third Reich Trilogy” is one of the best histories on the Third Reich I have read…..and I’ve read a great many of them.
              Evans struck me as a very fair witness. His explanation of British Libel Laws was excellent. Penguin books hired him with the understanding that Evans may not find what they were looking for. Trust me, he found a lot.
              Again, I’ll post a copy of the book if you want it.
              Jeff

              Comment by HAD — January 6, 2016 @ 5:29 pm

              • Yes, you’re right – Irving just printed a summary of the interview, not the entire article. So its really just a case of whether anyone accepts what he says, or rejects it. I myself just note what he says, but withhold judgement on its veracity.

                Very kind of you to offer me a copy of Richard Evans book. But I’m reluctant to exchange e-mail address details with people that I don’t really know, so I think I will decline. But thanks anyway Jeff.

                Comment by Talbot — January 7, 2016 @ 5:56 am

    • Wilhelm Höttl is exactly the kind of witness whose credibility would not have survived effective cross-examination in a fair, adversarial court proceeding in front a properly instructed jury — he was a member of the SS, which was declared a ‘criminal organization’, and therefore someone who had a clear motive to say whatever he thought the prosecution wanted him to say.

      Comment by eah — January 4, 2016 @ 2:20 pm

      • eah. Hottl had been a precious witness to be heard not in a trial but by historians in order to evaluate critically the informations he gave.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 5, 2016 @ 1:09 am

      • not in a trial

        Wolf, the Germans were accused of what amounts to a monstrous crime — the ‘Holocaust’. Such an accusation — like any criminal charge — generally must be proved in a proper adversarial court proceeding, where evidence is presented and can be challenged, including the credibility of witnesses like Höttl, as well as the “evidence” he offers.

        As I told you before: nearly all “evidence” for the ‘Holocaust’ consists of testimony like that of Höttl — and he is simply not credible/believable, for the reason(s) I gave before.

        Comment by eah — January 5, 2016 @ 4:37 am

        • eah. For the reasons You are quoting I believe that Hottl should have been heard by historians enabled to evaluate critically his statements to be compared with any statistical material available.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 5, 2016 @ 7:14 am

  6. Mizrachi Jews are religious orthodox Zionists. The real reason for Zionism was anti-assimilationism from its very beginning as a political movement, not anti-Semitism as claimed (what I call the propaganda reason for Zionism). So this Mizrachi rabbi is 100% consistent with the real purpose of Zionism when attacking Jewish-Goy intermarriages as he has just done it.

    Zionist founders were deeply sickened by the sight of the quick draining of Jewry’s secular reservoir in Eastern Europe and the large-scale dissolution of Jewry through assimilation in British and US lands. Zionism was born when Jewry was fleeing the Russian Empire and settling in more hospitable countries (mainly British countries and the United States of America). Steven Spielberg and Don Bluth depicted that mass migration in their cartoon movie “Fievel” (the first name of Spielberg’s grandfather). The aim of Zionism was the interruption of the massive Jewish migration flows from Eastern Europe to America and Britain and the redirection of those flows to Palestine, where the moving Ostjuden could live without anti-Jewish restrictions (unlike in Russia) but also without losing their blood and traditions through assimilation (unlike in America and Britain).

    Zionist founders and radicals very often equalled assimilation with mass annihilation and collective suicide. Their heroes were the Maccabees (the word “maccabee” literally means “hammer”), who slaughtered and persecuted some Hellenized (i.e. assimilated) Jews in order to bring the others back on the path of real Judaism. The Zionists regarded themselves as their heirs. US Zionist leader Louis Lipsky published a newspaper called “The Maccabee.” Every year, the Jewish festival of Hanukkah celebrates the re-dedication of the Second Temple in Jerusalem following Judah Maccabee’s victory. During that celebration, Jews light on candles symbolizing the reignition of the altar in the Jerusalem Temple by victorious Judah Maccabee.

    One cannot understand the aggressive policies of Zionist leadership against Nazi Germany without regarding the Zionists of those days as Maccabean Jews crushing Hellenized Jews, or in others words as nationalist Jews using the Nazis to push assimilated Jews to a nationalist and racist ‘Judaism’ (i.e. Zionism), to push ‘lost’ Jews back to their own community (a scattered nation in Zionists’ views) and secular traditions. The Zionist leaders of the 1930’s and 1940’s deliberately turned the Nazis and other anti-Semites into “liquidators of [Jewish] property” accordingly to Theodor Herzl’s original plan, that at a time when their entire scheme was about to crash because the successive British governments were unable to give them what they wanted without jeopardizing the survival of their own empire under the threat of large-scale Muslim riots at various locations. Zionist leaders Stephen Wise and Samuel Untermyer didn’t launch and led a worldwide boycott on German goods to help Germany’s Jews. And Zionist boss Chaim Weizmann didn’t declare war against Germany, in the name of all Jews, on August 29, 1939 to help Europe’s Jews during the coming war. On the contrary!! The predictable and understandable reactions from the Nazis were wanted by the Zionist leaders. That was part of their plans. Several years later, they also liquidated the millennial Jewish community of Iraq by similar means.

    Comment by hermie — January 4, 2016 @ 8:55 am

    • Good points about Zionism and The “Nazis”……Since Zionism is a religious fanatical cult, they worked hand in hand with the Germans to do whatever they could to seemingly punish or imposing severe restrictions on the “unbelievers” or Jews who didn’t want to leave for Palestine where the Zionist Cult church was headquartered.
      So whatever the Germans could do to contribute was much appreciated. Of course the Germans didn’t want to exterminate the Jews they just wanted them out of the country. So the term emigrate was synonymous with the term exterminate to the Jews who stayed. Interesting how it all comes down to religion behaving badly.

      Comment by jrizoli — January 4, 2016 @ 9:19 am

  7. The six million lies….Imagine having the numbers even before the war was over. Before ANY full scale investigation was started, they had the number, and the means on which they say people died. This is what the Nuremberg trials had to get their sham Soviet Trial going….of course many Germans paid the price.
    WOW!….that would be a great undertaking even with the internet…..LOL
    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=24369

    Comment by jrizoli — January 4, 2016 @ 8:10 am

    • The best part about that article you posted? Seeing someone refer to Spielberg as a “lying, venomous worm.”
      I personally find that a bit harsh. After all, without Spielberg we wouldn’t have the first Indiana Jones movie or E.T.
      Great movies.

      Comment by HAD — January 5, 2016 @ 2:34 pm

  8. That so called rabbi is unable to anwer the simple question “WHO IS A JEW?” that every drunk SS men know. The number or about 6 .000.000 cames from the comparison between the pre-war cencus and the after war census of Jews affiliated with a comunity and does not consider those victims having only Jewish ancestors or had been converted to other religion or simply had not been affiliated any more. Thank You for quoting an SS official who clearly knew things better then those so called rabbis unable even to speak and write correct English.
    Commenting that new at FORWARD I wondered wether that guy (or goy) is perhaps on a negationist payroll.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 4, 2016 @ 7:53 am

    • wolf wrote: “those so called rabbis unable even to speak and write correct English”

      Are you kidding us???

      Comment by hermie — January 4, 2016 @ 9:01 am

      • Hermie. I meant the whole group of those orthodox rabbis who often do not speak and write correct English and are ignorant as secular matters concerns. In Poland Rumenia, Hungary,, Lithuania much more than one milion really religious Jews perished. That guy – or goy – is ignorant even in Shoah history. Hope that guy is not on negationist payroll; would be worse for me to argue with.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 4, 2016 @ 12:50 pm

        • wolf wrote: “In Poland Rumenia, Hungary,, Lithuania much more than one milion really religious Jews perished.”

          That rabbi’s words don’t imply that he doesn’t know ‘Shoah history’ (as you said) and that additional Jews were not slaughtered in that area (inside the ‘Holocaust’ paradigm, of course). But his words just mean that the additional Jews allegedly murdered there, were not religious enough for that rabbi and his orthodox standards. I doubt that the mere observance of a day off on Shabbats is enough to be regarded as a religious Jew by that rabbi and other orthodox Jews. A lack of orthodoxy is enough to be considered a non-Jew by such guys. You, Wolf, are probably called ‘a non-Jew’ by that Mizrachi rabbi. Happy?😉

          Comment by hermie — January 4, 2016 @ 9:30 pm

          • HERMIE. I am not happy at all but I could not care less about the opinion of that so called rabbi who dares to speak without any real knoledge of those times of darkness. I would like to kick him, and individuals like him, in the ass and send all of them to perform real work.

            Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 5, 2016 @ 1:17 am

  9. My Jewish wife and I (not-Jewish) have found our marriage a bit trying from time to time, but at ALL times INFINITELY better than any Holocaust we ever even heard of, much less believed in.

    Our children lack some context, but their experience as Mischlinge resembles the Holocaust on one point more-so than their parents’: they did NOT enter into it voluntarily. All the same, they’re pretty cheerful about it all. Both graduated from college debt-free.

    Some Holocaust.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — January 4, 2016 @ 7:42 am

    • RUCKER, You having married a Jewess and Your children having a Jewish mother would be discriminated and subject to persecution according the criteria of the Wannsee Meeting. You and Your children woud share the Jewish fate even without sharing Jewish faith. Best,

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 4, 2016 @ 12:53 pm

      • wolf wrote: “discriminated and subject to persecution according the criteria of the Wannsee Meeting”

        Didn’t you rather mean “according to the Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935”?

        Comment by hermie — January 5, 2016 @ 5:43 am

        • I wrote about the “Wannsee Meeting” several times, including this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/09/22/11-million-jews-mentioned-in-minutes-of-wannsee-conference/

          Comment by furtherglory — January 5, 2016 @ 6:39 am

          • The USHMM states that Robert Kempner is credited with identifying the Wannsee Protocol, which they claim “documents a meeting of high ranking Nazi and German officials to discuss the implementation of the Final Solution.”

            Robert Kempner was a German Jew who lost his German citizenship in 1935, and emigrated to the USA in 1938. After the war he served as the US Assistant Chief Council to the IMT at Nuremburg, and then as a prosecutor at the subsequent proceedings known as the “Ministeries Case”.

            So, Kempner could hardly be described as an unbiased and impartial prosecutor at these tribunals, and the Wannsee Protocols are a very dodgy set of documents indeed. And being able to speak and write in the German language – was he instrumental in concocting them on a German typewriter? Who knows. Anyway, Kempner eventually shared the Wannsee Protocols with other prosecutors, and it became the centrepiece of the evidence submitted at the “Ministeries Case” which took place in 1948 i.e;- after the main tribunal against the Nazi leaders had taken place.

            Could it be that the Allies were a little uneasy after that main trial was over, that there was no conclusive evidence of a genocide having taken place, and so Kempner was instructed “to do what he could” to provide something plausible for this later trial. This tribunal was hardly an important one, and consisted of 21 defendants who could be described as senior bureaucrats who merely executed the directives of the Nazi leadership. What better, therefore, to liven up proceedings by producing from out of no-where a breathless protocol that described in detail the dastardly plans of the wicked, genocidal Nazis!

            Comment by Talbot — January 5, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

        • Hermie. The Nuerenberg Law about German citizenship had been a step, Our friend Rucker and his children would have been discriminated already in 1935. But according to the criteria of the Wannsee Meeting they would have been subject to various persecutions. In Poland and East Territories restricted in a Ghetto and sent to a Dead Camp. In Germany first sent for forced labor and then deported, sooner or later.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 5, 2016 @ 7:25 am

          • The Jews should of been discriminated against because most of them were fighting against Germany’s existence and would do anything to sabotage the goings on at any given moment.
            Many were communists agitators, anarchists, greedy leeches that profited on the misfortunes of the poor Germans.
            To allow these people to functioning fully would of been foolish. Of course NOT ALL, were put in the dog house. Some Jews still had jobs and worked for the German Regime, and it is well known that many Jews were in the German Military.
            http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/00/03/NSJews.html

            And of course the was no plan to exterminate the Jews….
            http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p133_Mattogno.html

            Comment by jrizoli — January 5, 2016 @ 8:46 am

            • RIZOLI. You need urgent psysichiatric help, perhaps at Mount Sinai Hospital at New York.

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 5, 2016 @ 8:54 am

              • On the contrary: I have seen the videos done by Rizoli. He is perfectly sane and very smart.

                Comment by furtherglory — January 5, 2016 @ 9:03 am

                • I agree with Wolf, primarily because of Rizoli’s videos.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by HAD — January 5, 2016 @ 2:29 pm

                • So poor old Mr Rizoli has now joined Hermie and myself as suitable candidates to be treated in the Mount Sinai Hospital in New York. What can one say? – if the course of treatment worked so successfully there for Wolf Murmelstein, then maybe we too can be cured of our tendency to question historical falsehoods.

                  We can then emerge into a world of fantasy and dreams, where 6 million (or is it 11 million) poor souls were gassed to death, either by fumigation pellets or vehicle exhaust fumes, after which the bodies miraculously disappeared for ever.

                  Comment by Talbot — January 5, 2016 @ 8:18 pm

                • Talbot, if you honestly believe that real historians say that the Nazis gassed six million or eleven million people to death than you really need that trip to Mt. Sinai.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by HAD — January 5, 2016 @ 8:28 pm

                • Jeff – you ought to find out from those people, who you call “Real Historians”, how many of the 6 million (or is it 11 million) victims were actually killed by these curious gassing methods; and how, when and where all the others met their final fate.

                  Seventy years have gone by now – plenty enough time to provide us with proper and precise answers to these questions.

                  Comment by Talbot — January 6, 2016 @ 5:43 am

              • Wolf….Really now???
                That is your only discussion point with me. You who have adopted a persecution complex…. as have all of you in your tribe.
                “We are so hated and persecuted” but you refuse to see why?
                Maybe it’s because you have done bad things and people are fed up with your poor little old persecuted me complex.
                I don’t take any Bullshit from people like you because you get what to dole out and people are finally getting wind of it.
                You story is tiresome…..You Jews were the true villains yet you turned it all around to make it the Germans were.
                So now what do you do? You try to make laws that stop us from questioning you?
                Isn’t that nice….you’re losing the game so you play dirty. Typical, it’s what you’ve been doing for years.

                How do you feel about this one…Wolf is this the game you want to be associated with now?
                https://ballotpedia.org/California_Holocaust_Denial_Speech_Restrictions_Initiative_%282016%29

                Comment by jrizoli — January 5, 2016 @ 9:06 am

                • What a revolting development this is! If this passes, I will have to take down my blog, and I might be put on trial for “Holocaust denial.”

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 5, 2016 @ 10:27 am

                • At some point in time the Jews will try to get all the law is on their side to come after people that criticize the Holocaust in whatever way they do. They are losing the war on this battle is r-truth vs. Fiction and this is what they do. They have to make laws to come against innocent people like us who criticize them. This alone shows that they are wrong. Truth stands on its own merit you dont make laws to stop the truth from coming out and yet that’s just what they doing.
                  The first casualty of war is truth.

                  Comment by jrizoli — January 5, 2016 @ 10:37 am

                • Interesting, the vote also includes Armenian and Ukrainian Holocaust Denial.
                  Is your issue only with the Jewish Holocaust? Or do you object to the law also prohibiting the denial of Armenian Holocaust and the Holdomor?
                  Jeff

                  Comment by HAD — January 5, 2016 @ 10:38 am

                • I had to look up the Holdomor and I found this information: http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Wiesenthal-Center-slams-Ukrainian-Holocaust-bill-408575

                  The word Holdomor would not go through the spell check.

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 5, 2016 @ 11:25 am

                • Did Hitler really say “After all, who remembers the Armenians?”
                  https://www.quora.com/Did-Hitler-really-say-After-all-who-remembers-the-Armenians-when-contemplating-killing-the-Jews

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 5, 2016 @ 11:35 am

                • Here is more information:
                  http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html

                  Comment by HAD — January 5, 2016 @ 2:19 pm

                • fg wrote: “Did Hitler really say “After all, who remembers the Armenians?””

                  No, he didn’t. This myth came from document L3, a document even too lousy for the Nuremberg mock trials and thus rejected by the victors of WW2. Too obviously a fraud, even for them…

                  Comment by hermie — January 5, 2016 @ 6:39 pm

            • The Jews started the conflict between the Germans and the Jews. I wrote about this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/the-famous-jewish-boycott-of-german-goods-in-march-1933/

              Comment by furtherglory — January 5, 2016 @ 8:58 am

              • Yes the Jews started it and then they made sure they finished it with all their lies, cover ups and falsifications.
                Hard to fight an enemy that controls everything.

                Comment by jrizoli — January 5, 2016 @ 9:10 am

              • FURTHERGLORY. The boycott of German products had been more a slogan that an actual action. While the USA boycott and embargo against Cuba had been a real – at any rate – foolish action with an ashaming background. At any, Jews had seen that Hitler, just in power, suddenly started the discrimination and the first exclusions of Jews, as in his party programm, and so begann that “war”. Look better on the time table.

                Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — January 5, 2016 @ 1:58 pm


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