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January 31, 2016

Jewish girl escaped the gas chamber at Theresienstadt by lying about her age

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 2:36 pm
The location of the alleged gas chamber at Theresienstadt

The location of the alleged gas chamber at Theresienstadt

According to 84-year-old Holocaust survivor Ruth Kluger, there was a gas chamber at Theresienstadt, but she survived by lying about her age, claiming that she was 15 years old when she was only 12.  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01/27/germanys-jews-mark-holocaust-as-new-threat-rises.html

Of course, as we all know, the Germans were so stupid that they could not tell the difference between a child of 12 and a girl of 15.  Thank God for this, as otherwise there would be no Holocaust survivors alive today.

I have previously written about the alleged gas chamber at Theresienstadt on this blog post:  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/gas-chamber-at-theresienstadt/

and on this previous blog post:  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/the-plan-to-gas-all-the-jews-at-theresienstadt-or-if-that-wasnt-enough-to-drown-them/

and this previous blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/theresienstadt-survivor-says-invasion-by-russian-army-prevented-the-completion-of-the-gas-chambers-there/

So was there a gas chamber at Theresienstadt or not?  According to Wolf Murmelstein, who was a prisoner there when he was a child, there was a indeed a gas chamber at Theresienstadt.

I have written about the alleged gas chamber at Theresienstadt on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/CzechRepublic/Theresienstadt/TheresienstadtGhetto/History/GhettoHistory.html

In my humble opinion, the alleged gas chamber at Theresienstadt was a place where the clothing of the prisoners was disinfected to prevent disease.

The alleged homicidal gas chamber at Theresienstadt was directly across from the Jäger (Hunter) barracks, an identical building on the opposite side of the town, which was used as a disinfection station where the prisoners and their clothing were deloused.

The prisoners were disinfected by being completely submerged in a tub containing a chemical which would kill the lice on their bodies. At the same time, their clothing was disinfected by hot steam, and they would have to put their clothes back on while they were still wet and then return to their barracks.

The oldest inmates of the Theresienstadt ghetto were housed in the Jäger barracks so that they wouldn’t get chilled by walking through the cold in wet clothes. Behind the Jäger barracks was the Südberg or South Hill where a a soccer field had been built for the inmates.

24 Comments »

  1. AT THE FACEBOOK PAGE OF FOX COMUNITY I COMMENTED THE TRANSLATION ERROR DUE TO THE AUTOR’S INSUFFICIENT COMAND OF GERMAN OR TO A MISPRINTING. Indeed, Mrs Kluger said “… i arrived with” meaning SHE ARRIVED FROM THERESIENSTADT AT AUSCHWITZ.
    So all this fuss here is completely baseless.
    It seems usefull to read at least twice critically an article before quoting it.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 3, 2016 @ 1:58 am

  2. I’m old enough to remember the the literature, if you can call it literature, on the big ‘H’ they regularly claimed that anyone under the age of sixteen went straight into the ‘gas chamber! Now that all those of that age, who supposedly went up the chimney, are now the ones writing and force feeding their hate to a captive audience of young children, who would be severely reprimanded if they asked an inconvenient question, they have quietly retired what is a flagrant falsehood.
    Ruth Kluge is not the first such shameless fabricator. Moshe Peer claimed that he was sent to the gas chamber,not once, not twice, but six times and survived each time. The Montreal Gazette Aug. 5 1993, Gena Turgel claimed to have been gassed but miraculously walked out alive. NBCnews.com Jan. 15 2015, Arnold Friedman claimed to have survived a gassing at Flossenburg by breathing through a key hole. Mary Seidenwurm survived by banging on the door when the gas was coming in and told the guard when they opened the door that she was German. Thomas Kues Smith Report # 163, Ron Lowe was placed in a ‘gas chamber’ at Dachau after going through the showers. He woke up in a pile of bodies. Western Advocate Apr. 25 2011, Yanina Cywinska was secretly resuscitated by another prisoner. Scrapbookpages Blog Dec. 12 2012, and Quad-City Times Apr 11 2005, In none of these cases, is it explained why the Germans who tried to kill them didn’t make sure that they died. If you swallow the tall tale that the reason there is no physical evidence of a gassing program is that the Germans destroyed it all, then why oh why would they leave those that survived a gassing alive to tell the world?

    Comment by John Mortl — February 1, 2016 @ 2:32 pm

  3. How the things went on is clearly exposed in my Father’s Book. THERESIENSTADT, EICHMANN’S MUSTERGHETTO which cannot find any USA pubblished due to the interests of the Shoh Business as proved by thie circulation of this tale:
    At any rate I summarize the real story.
    1. In Jannuary order came tho start works for a adaption of a room in the fort walls and for a wall closing a place in the moat surrounding the town but only following oral instructions without any written design.
    2. Going on with the work the engineer allarmed the Elder who too found it strange as, furthermore, not beeing called to accompany certain visitors who came to controll those works.
    3. A group arrived from Slovakia at end December 1944 had the first allarming informations.
    4. At a certain moment the Elder Murmelstein, after having given instructions for the events of his arrest, faced the Commander who spoke about a bombsafe warehouse and a lake for growing ducks. But next day the Commander suddenly left for Prague and returned after three days with the order to stop those works. The only one having authority to give such an order had been SS General and Governor of the Protectorate Karl Hermann Frank.
    5. Little Fortress Commander Heinrich Joecke admitted that the Gas Chamber had been aimed for the liquidation o the political prisoniers adding wrongly that Zyklon B had been available. The so called lake in the moat had been aimed as place for a mass shooting of all Ghetto inmates.
    6. Ghetto Commander Karl Rahm in trial strangely did not show how he had obtained the order to stop works holding the version of the Bombsafe Warehouse and the lake for growing ducks renouncing so to plea for a prison sentence. One can conjecture that he had been afraid ehrn disclosing the real envolvment of some one able to escape his former “comrades” would take revenge on his family at Vienna.
    At any rate things had been made certain in proper court – Litomerice, Czech Republic – where files can be controlled.
    Would such a tale been put in circulation here in Italy I would adress the State Attorney to investigate whether there had been simple fraud – when asking to buy tickets to follow a speech – or heavy fraud – when sponsored by pubblic pecuniary aid. And in USA?

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 1, 2016 @ 7:35 am

    • FOLLOWING: I have tried to commnet that article on FOX NEWS but there made it too difficult. Indeed I wonder whether the writer had rightly understood the German speech at the Bundestag. Will ask help of German friends. At any rate have You a better way to reach FOX NEW? Or could You transmit my comment? Thanks.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 1, 2016 @ 9:25 am

      • FOLLOWING. I controlled the article quoted. It is not stated that at THERESIENSTADT there had been a Gas Chamber. The Lady spoke about a transport from THERESIENSTADT while in artilcle is written .- making no sense at all – TO THERESIENSTADT. It should be usefull to read the transcript of the speech at the BUNDESTAG. in German. I guess that the exact words had been THERESIENSTAEDTER TRANSPORT meaning transport from Theresienstadt and not to Theresienstadt. I guess also that the Lady had been sent to Auschwitz in the October 1944 Transoirt vawe. This would male sense.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 1, 2016 @ 11:12 am

        • FOLLOWING. At Vienna in 1942 within the deportations a transport TO THERESIENSTADT had been called THERESIENSTAEDTER TRANSPORT. At Auschwitz in 1943 or 1944 a transport arrived FROM THERESIENSTADT could have been called THERESIENSTAEDTER TRANSPORT. Here we see how a speech ought to be put in the historical context. Clear?

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 1, 2016 @ 1:08 pm

  4. There you have the latest oldest man in the world….. a holocaust survivor ! His wife was of course ” murdered” in Auschwitz . With the youngest ” survivors being now 71 ie the babies born in Dachau you can expect another 40 years of stories from ” survivors ” .However if you read the article you will find he is a fraud !
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.698614

    Comment by peter — February 1, 2016 @ 2:24 am

  5. Again, why are you so needlessly nasty?? “Of course, as we all know, the Germans were so stupid that they could not tell the difference between a child of 12 and a girl of 15.” Do all girls of the same age look exactly alike in terms of age, or is there always a huge range?? Of course there is always a huge range! Do you really think that it’s not possible that occasionally a 12 year old could at least somewhat believably say that she is 15? If you have specific reasons for thinking this case did not happen as she claims, discuss these reasons, without being so nasty and rude! “…the Germans were so stupid…” really? Just why??

    Comment by Halli — January 31, 2016 @ 6:05 pm

    • There is no forensically veriable evidence of a homicidal gas chamber at Theresienstadt. So what’s to discuss?

      Comment by shafarnullifidian — January 31, 2016 @ 8:50 pm

      • SHAFAMULLIFIAN. See my comments above and will understand how this entire fuss could occure here.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 3, 2016 @ 7:14 am

    • no forensically verifable evidence of a homicidal gas chamber at Theresienstadt

      @shafarnullifidian — Thanks for your comment.

      have specific reasons for thinking this case did not happen as she claims

      It was necessary because Halli has a forest/trees problem — she tries to cut down a few trees, but apparently does not see the forest — the forest here is that there was no gas chamber at Theresienstadt, and therefore this woman could not be telling the truth — and re any perceived nastiness, while I did not write the post and so cannot say for sure, in fg’s case perhaps it is related to approx 20 years of listening to the falsehoods and lies told by many ‘Holocaust’ survivors.

      Comment by eah — February 1, 2016 @ 2:28 am

      • TO ALL COMMENTATORS. I repeat that the Berlin correspondent of FOX NEWS seems to have not understood the German speech of that Lady as there is a heavy difference between saying TRANSPORT TO THERESIENSTADT and TRANSPORT FROM THERESIENSTADT. At that time of darkness in Nazi German (NAZI DEUTSCH) one spooke about THERESIENSTAEDTER TRANSPORT. .At any rate I will try to get the reports of German press about that speech.
        As to the FORENSIC EVIDENCE. Just a naive puritan can think that the Nazis – expert criminals – would have left written documents – in correct German – about their deeds. As to Theresienstadt, do any one believe that the Nazis should have handed out to a Jew the written design of a prokected GAS CHAMBER? Besieds, I made clear here that works had been stopped following an order that only SS General Karl Hermann Frank Governor of Bohemia Moravia had authority to give. Does someone need personal tuition to improve knowledge of English?

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 2, 2016 @ 12:50 am

      • EAH. See my comments and will understand how this entire fuss here could occure. I am afraid that there is a heavy translation-understanding problem as in USA there is a deep lack of knowledge so of European as of actual Holocaust history. And so in many cases a fully baseleff fuss occures.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 3, 2016 @ 7:18 am

    • it is very difficult even in 2015 with all the technology we have to determine the age of ” child ” migrants flooding into Europe.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422000/Just-old-think-migrant-children-Alarming-pictures-shed-light-growing-scandal-amid-asylum-crisis.html

      Comment by peter — February 1, 2016 @ 2:30 am

      • The comment on the first foto is: Look at the so-called “helpless little children” (below) posing with Sweden’s Prime Minister (second from right) at a residence for refugee children. But seriously, do they look like kids or teens?

        And on the second foto: And unlike the other Nordic countries, Sweden stubbornly refuses to age-test. So anyone hoping to get fast-tracked to a granted visa can claim to be a minor, and due to fear of being called a racist, nobody calls them on it. The results are sometimes downright comical.

        Comment by eah — February 1, 2016 @ 2:48 am

        • Wow, these children look even younger than the children of Palestine.

          Comment by Anonymous — February 1, 2016 @ 12:42 pm

      • UCLA researchers’ new saliva test can tell a person’s age within five years — so far, the most accurate test for age.

        There exists a fairly reliable test for age — certainly reliable enough to tell if someone (eg a “refugee”) is a child or not — the problem is the will to do it, and the expense of doing it.

        Comment by eah — February 1, 2016 @ 3:00 am

    • Apparently, you don’t recognize sarcasm when you read it. I do not think that the German people are stupid, but rather the opposite. Yes, there are specific reasons that cause me to think that this case did not happen as she claims.
      1. There was no homicidal gas chamber at Theresienstadt.
      2. There WERE disinfection chambers for delousing the clothes to kill the lice that spread typhus.
      3. This was at the very end of the war, very late to start killing the surviving Jews.
      4. The plan was to remove the Jews from Germany, not to kill them.

      Since you are new here, you should read some of my old posts — to get an idea about my writing style, instead of criticizing every word that I write.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 1, 2016 @ 6:49 am

      • FURHTERGLORY. Eicmann first tried to build the mentioned Gas Chamber and the Mass Execution Place but had been sopped by SS General and Governor Karl Hermann Frank who wanted to use the Ghetto for a personal deal with Allied Powers. Then, after the Red Cross visit of April 5, 1945 he tried to provoke the farce of revolt having ready a Wehrmacht unit to “repress a revolt of civilians behind battlefront”.
        Consistent with similar attempts at Dachau, Buchenwald, etc.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 1, 2016 @ 9:20 am

      • FURTHERGLORY. The idea of the extermination of Jews though forced labor had been expressed already in the twenthies of XIX century.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 1, 2016 @ 12:55 pm

    • Halli wrote: “Do you really think that it’s not possible that occasionally a 12 year old could at least somewhat believably say that she is 15?”

      Yes, I do. Your question sounds like what a child abuser might say when caught in bed with a kid…😉

      And anyway such stories are far from occasional in today’s Holohoax storytelling. Virtually no month without at least one old Jew or Jewess telling us that the Nazi doctors of WW2 failed to see that he or she was 11, 12 or 13 years old when arriving at Auschwitz.

      Comment by hermie — February 1, 2016 @ 7:04 am

      • HERMIE. That happened that a person in the que for selection had been advised in a whisper what to do.in order to be selected for forced labor and not for the Gas Chamber. But You are unwilling to listen. You simply are not aware that those had been quite extraordinary conditions, difficult to understand.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 1, 2016 @ 1:00 pm

        • I wasn’t doubting some Jews lied about their age. I was doubting some Nazi doctors believed them…

          Comment by hermie — February 2, 2016 @ 7:55 am

        • And what would have been the point of building gas chambers disguised as shower rooms if newcomers knew they were going through a selection for forced labor or gassing upon arrival? Dumb contradictory narrative…

          Comment by hermie — February 2, 2016 @ 7:59 am


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