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February 6, 2016

Holocaust survivor who was on Schindler’s List

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, movies — Tags: , , , , — furtherglory @ 7:38 am

I have a section on my scrapbookpages.com website about Schindler’s List, which you can read at  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Kazimierz/Kazimierz01C.html

Oskar Schindler

Oskar Schindler

This morning, I read a news story about Rena Finder, a woman who survived the Holocaust because she was saved by Oskar Schindler; she had the good fortune to have been put on the famous Schindler’s List.

Rena Finder greets Steven Spielberg Photo credit: Reuters

Rena Finder greets Steven Spielberg [Photo credit: Lucas Jackson – Reuters]

The following quote is from the news story cited above:

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[Rena] Finder was among 300 women at Auschwitz in imminent danger of being sent to gas chambers. Schindler received word of them, and he convinced Nazi commanders that he needed workers for his factory in Brünnlitz, in Czechoslovakia. But his usual bribes (mainly alcohol) did not work.

So, Finder said, he sent his secretary, Hilde Albrecht, with everything from food and diamonds to black-market goods to allow Finder and the 299 other women to leave Auschwitz [Birkenau] in 1944.

[You can read about Hilde Albrecht and Oskar Schindler on Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler ]

Finder said she was there for 3½ weeks, but “3½ weeks in Auschwitz was a very long time.” Her father was killed there, but she and her mother escaped, with Schindler’s help.

Schindler — whom she described as an outgoing, friendly and handsome man with a great smile — a few weeks earlier had help save 700 men from the Gross-Rosen concentration camp, where they had spent a week.

“He had papers that these workers were to come to Czechoslovakia,” Finder said of Schindler.

“We left the way we came, on a train. This time they didn’t pack us as much. This time I remember we were able to sit on the floor.”

Movie director Steven Spielberg made Schindler’s compassion known internationally in the 1993 film “Schindler’s List,” based on the 1982 book “Schindler’s Ark” by Thomas Keneally.

“Schinder’s List” received 12 Academy Award nominations and won seven, including Best Picture and Best Director for Spielberg.

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I have written several blog posts which are under the tag Schindler’s List: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/schindlers-list/

98 Comments »

  1. HERMIE. I made perhaps a spelling error. But I quoted what my Father personally heard Eichmann say. And in the Nisko area there had not been any resources to set up anyClthing and that meant only “to die” .Clearly Eichmann certainly would not have called Benjamin Murmelstein as defence witness.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 13, 2016 @ 12:37 pm

    • wolf wrote: “HERMIE. I made perhaps a spelling error. But I quoted what my Father personally heard Eichmann say.”

      I know that. I had googled this ‘quote’ with the correct spelling before posting my previous comment and all I had found was a comment of yours on this blog. It seems that even the Holocaust Industry doesn’t care at all about what daddy said.

      By the way, no normal court or historian would accept this kind of hearsay testimonial ‘evidence’ as a probative thing. And you know it.

      Comment by hermie — February 14, 2016 @ 6:40 am

  2. With three trials soon to start of Guards or Nursing staff who worked at Auschwitz soon to start we are seeing how desperate the Jewish lobby is. They will within 5 years have no more ” death camp guards” for their show trials and will have to go after Hitler youth members on the charge of ” co conspirators “. .

    Comment by peter — February 8, 2016 @ 3:49 am

  3. I have watched the film and then read the book about the case. Indeed the film shows only what can ben shown in a movie as the real story had been harder. Commenters jrizoli and hermie simply cannot even think that a Nazi Party member could at a certain moment feel and act as a normal man and offer help in that world of darkness.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 6, 2016 @ 10:05 am

    • From the publication Did Six Million Really Die.
      Quote…
      By 1939, the great majority of German Jews had emigrated, all of them with a sizeable proportion of their assets. Never at any time had the Nazi leadership even contemplated a policy of genocide towards them.

      This is why so many Jews survived there weren’t that many of them there in the first place and the majority of them did survive.
      So with so many of them surviving to collect their reparation money then who died.
      In fact some of these Huxsters have collected in different places several times. Double dipping in the unlimited money trough.
      The Holocaust is the biggest insurance scam that ever came down the pike and the government’s paying out the money did not speak out against those responsible for this robbery and they let him get away with it.
      The Holocaust hoax is all about vindictiveness money, and hate, directed against an innocent group of people.
      The Jews walk away as the victims when they really should all be doing jail time for the scam they pulled here. They are all guilty of insurance fraud.
      Plain and simple!

      Comment by jrizoli — February 6, 2016 @ 11:29 am

      • Um, Jim, many of the Jews that emigrated from Germany in the 1930’s would up in countries Germany later conquered. They didn’t get away, assets or no.
        “This is why so many Jews survived there weren’t that many of them there in the first place and the majority of them did survive.”
        What Jews are you referring to? The largest group of Jews under direct German control lived in Poland, approximately 3.3 million after the Germans conquered the areas the Soviets seized in 1939. So, the old tired argument that there were not many Jews that lived under Nazi control fails.
        Jeff

        Comment by Jeff K. — February 6, 2016 @ 10:42 pm

    • wolf wrote: “I have watched the film and then read the book about the case.”

      A film based on a book (Schindler’s Ark by Thomas Keneally) that won the Booker Prize for fiction in 1982. Very telling about your evidential standards…

      wolf wrote: “the real story had been harder”

      You can’t possibly know the real story of Schindler if you have only read the novel Schindler’s Ark and watched the movie Schindler’s List.

      The fact that you seem to sincerely believe you know the real story of Schindler after reading a novel and watching a Hollywood movie, and repeat that on and on, is cute but makes you look like a fool.

      “To begin with, there was no Schindler’s List. […] there were nine lists. The first four were drawn up primarily by Marcel Goldberg, a corrupt Jewish security police officer and assistant to an SS officer in charge of transporting Jews. (Goldberg was later accused of accepting bribes and of favoritism.) […] the legend of “the list” arose partly from Schindler himself, to embellish his heroism. He was trying to win reparations for his wartime losses” – The New York Times, November 24, 2004.

      Comment by hermie — February 6, 2016 @ 7:27 pm

      • HERMIE. The fact is that Schindler helped – in a way or an other – a group of Jews to survive. All the fault looking of commentators is due to great ignorance about the real conditions of that times of darkness, worse than told by so called historians, novelists and the Shoah Business.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 7, 2016 @ 2:09 am

        • wolf wrote: “HERMIE. The fact is that Schindler helped – in a way or an other – a group of Jews to survive. ”

          And the fact that you patently won’t even try to prove it, exposes you as what you are in reality: i.e. a bigot worshipper and obscurantist believer of the Holohoax cult, a reality denier who cannot bear any argumented refutation of his faith.

          Comment by hermie — February 7, 2016 @ 7:16 am

          • When someone says that Swindler Schindler saved these people what does that mean? They weren’t all headed for the fake “gas” chamber, so what were they saved from? They were valuable workers that the Germans needed so if anything they were wanted there.
            Wolf has this thing that the Jews were headed for the death star but in reality they survived and they most likely would of survived without Swindlers help.

            Jim Rizoli
            CCFIILE.COM
            RIZOLITV.COM

            Comment by jrizoli — February 7, 2016 @ 8:47 am

      • hermie
        There was no such thing as a ‘Schindlers List’, this expression probably stems from the Hollywood version. However accurate Pay-Roll Lists had to be maintained with the number and names of the inmates that an individual Enterprise employed, for the simple reason that the SS hired out those prisoners and had to be paid for in Reichsmark by the factory where they worked. (This is were SS-corruption set in, it was too temping). They in turn issued scrip money of a far lower value to prisoners, after all you had to pay for visiting the brothel in Auschwitz as well as in other camps, the service was by no means free. They could at the beginning of the war purchase personal item from a store which was discontinued as the war progressed and tougher condition were the norm.
        I was able to roam around at Camp Dachau from 1946/47 until the end of 1956 and met a number of previous inmates as well as discharged SS-men, that could tell you factual events, not what I read and hear now.

        Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — February 9, 2016 @ 4:01 am

    • Oskar Schindler.
      Germany invaded Poland September 1st 1939, they took Krakow on the sixth, then home to 60 000 Jews, 26 percent of the city’s population. By years end, Jews lost the right to attend school, keep bank accounts, own business, or walk on the sidewalks. They were tagged by the yellow Star of David. By the following April, evacuation orders would reduce Krakow’s Jewish population to 35 000.
      All this transformed Poland into a land of economic opportunity for German entrepreneurs. They swarmed the cities, snapping up forfeited Jewish firms as their Treuhändlers, or trustees. [The American Occupation Forces did the same in Germany 1945 for any Nazi-owned business.sic] One of them was a young salesman named Oskar Schindler, born 1908 in the Sudetenland. He applied for NSDAP Party membership on February 10, 1939. By then he was an agent of the German Abwehr, the Intelligence Services. [He remained one of theirs to very end and probably played a double game when it suited his interests, sic] In fact, he had been jailed in 1938 as a spy by the Czechs and was released when Germany annexed the Sudetenland. Oskar Schindler provided Polish Army Uniforms to the German Provocateurs who attacked the German border radio station at Gleiwitz the night before the invasion.
      Schindler took over an idled enamelware plant at 4 Lipowa Street in Krakow, capital of the Occupation Government. A Jew named Abraham Bankier had owned the plant. Schindler named it Deutsche Emailwaren Fabrik, and began turning out pots, pans, and mess kits for the German military. He had to come to seek his fortune, and with Jewish slave labour, he made one. By the end of 1942, Schindler employed 370 Jewish workers, all from the Krakow Ghetto. He paid their wages directly to the German General Government. Word quickly spread that his factory, outside the Ghetto, in the Zablocie District, was a save haven. With copious bribes, Schindler kept the SS at bay, so nobody was beaten on the job. He winked at the flurry of illegal “business” between the factory’s Jewish and Polish workers. [It is most likely that he partook in these activities,sic] He lied for people so they could bring in friends and relatives. Most of his “skilled” workers had no skills at all. Eventually one thousand Jews would gain sanctuary at the DEF (called Emalia by its workers).

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — February 7, 2016 @ 12:19 am

      • STOLPMANN. In these times of darkness that of Schindler had been a realistic way to help survival. Indeed, under Hitler rule a Jew could not afford to behave in a gentlemanlike way or according theories today commentators like so much.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 7, 2016 @ 1:58 am

      • You wrote: “Oskar Schindler provided Polish Army Uniforms to the German Provocateurs who attacked the German border radio station at Gleiwitz the night before the invasion.”

        Where did you get that false information?

        I wrote about the attack at Gleiwitz on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/alfred-naujocks-and-the-start-of-world-war-ii/

        I also wrote about this on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch3.html

        The star witness for the defense in the Buchenwald case was SS officer Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen, the special court judge who had convicted Ilse’s husband, Commandant Karl Otto Koch, and sentenced him to the death penalty in 1943. In his previous testimony as a defense witness for the SS at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal on 7 August 1946, Morgen said that he had investigated around 800 documents that pertained to concentration camp criminal cases, and from this, he had tried 200 SS men on charges of corruption and/or murder in various concentration camps. Morgen testified that he had personally arrested 5 concentration camp commandants and two were shot after being convicted. Morgen added that “Apart from the commandants, there were numerous other death sentences against Fuehrers and Unterfuehrers.”

        Comment by furtherglory — February 7, 2016 @ 5:26 am

        • FG
          My source: The book-‘Oskar Schindler, The untold Account of the his Life, Wartime Activities […]
          Heydrich’s plan, given the code name “Tannenberg” called for dressing SD operatives in Polish Uniforms, they would attack other SD men dressed in German Grenzpolizei (Border Police). The phony Polish troops would then seize the German radio station at Gleiwitz, about forty miles north of Mährisch-Ostrau. The phony Polish soldiers would also attack a nearby German forestry station and a boarder post. When the Germans in Polish uniforms had finished their attacks, they would bring in dead bodies from concentration camps to ensure that everything looked authentic. The SS gave the dead inmates the code name Konserven (canned goods).

          What did all this have to do with Oskar Schindler? According to Emiliie Schindler, it was Oskar who had obtained and stored the Polish uniforms in their Mährisch Ostrau apartment before they were sent to Heydrich’s operatives for the attack on the radio station at Gleiwitz. Emilie adds that their first Polish uniform was obtained from a Polish soldier and then sent it to Berlin, were it was reproduced in large quantities. It is possible that a random Polish uniform was obtained this way, but most were obtained from Polish ethnic Germans who had deserted the Polish army and fled to Germany. They gladly turned over their uniforms to the Wehrmacht. This was Oskars only involvement in this aspect of the attack on Poland. According to historian Dr, Jaroslav Valente, even if Schindler had stored large quantities of Polish uniforms, weapons, and cigarettes in his department, it is doubtful he had much to do with the Gleiwitz attack because his operational area was around the Polish city Tesin near the Slovak border[…].

          Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — February 7, 2016 @ 4:37 pm

          • THE CASE OF JULIUS MADRITSCH
            In my opinion Schindler was a small-time crook, a con-man and became an alcoholic which ended his life rather early, destitute, living on hand-outs, and died at the age of 66, had two illegitimate children, which he ignored, Madritsch was very rarely mentioned and did perhaps more for his Jewish workers;
            The textile merchant Julius Madritsch from Vienna in December 1940, became a trustee of two formerly Jewish clothing manufacturers in Krakow, where both, Jews and Poles were working that lived in the Krakow ghetto. Madritrsch sought to employ as many Jews as possible to prevent them from being deported to an extermination camp. His main achievement as far as contracts were concerned was the acquisition of large, for the war effort classified textile jobs, the procurement of raw material and not least in providing its workers with additional food. Madritsch was extremely successful: Prior to the evacuation of the ghetto, about 1800 Jews were working in his factories in Krakow and Tarnow. He himself wrote in his memoirs, that among these more than 40 percent were professionals, “60 per cent of my employees had no idea of ​​the tailoring what-ever, they were by professions, like doctors, lawyers, engineers and merchants, on top of that among other things, it including their entire families”. [Julius Madritsch, Menschen in Not Wien 1962, page 14, sic]

            Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — February 8, 2016 @ 3:18 pm

            • There were no extermination camps they were mostly work camps that’s all there was.
              Most of the Jews survived the war, around four million survived. If so many survived than who died? More innocent Germans died during and after the war then Jews this is where the problem is but the Allies don’t want people to know about that because they would be tried for war crimes against humanity. But as it is only the Germans can be tried for war crimes while the Allies can get away with killing innocent people. As they say the victors get to write the history and they should have done it in this case.

              Jim Rizoli
              CCFIILE.COM
              Rizolitv. COM

              Comment by jrizoli — February 8, 2016 @ 3:27 pm

              • “Most of the Jews survived the war, around four million survived. If so many survived than who died?”
                That depends on the researcher, Jim. I’ve seen estimates as low as 4.8 million to 5.9 million.
                Because most of the Jews on the planet lived in Europe at the time, around 11 million, it makes sense that around 4 million survived.
                Hope that helps, Jim.
                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — February 8, 2016 @ 4:36 pm

            • STOLPMANN Thanks for this contribution to a better knowledge of real conditions of that times and real ways to help persecuted people. Best.

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 9, 2016 @ 12:05 am

          • That is interesting. I read that Canarsis obtained the uniforms but did not know where he got them.
            Jeff

            Comment by Jeff K. — February 8, 2016 @ 4:47 pm

    • I have watched the film and then read the book

      Wolf, I missed this comment (sorry) — if it is the case that you have both seen the film and read the book, could you please try to answer the questions in this comment below?

      Comment by eah — February 9, 2016 @ 3:09 am

  4. This Jewess shouldn’t boast of having been wealthy enough to bribe the Jewish corrupt dispatcher Marcel Goldberg and so go to a ‘cooler’ camp where labor was easier. Another Jew, less wealthy than her, of course had to take her place and perform harder labor because of her.

    Comment by hermie — February 6, 2016 @ 8:14 am

  5. Renal finder lives in my town she’s very well known amongst the Jewish community but the main thing about her is she’s one big liar.
    Her body Oscar was a philanderer and when he died his wife did not even attend his funeral. He was just in it for himself he didn’t care about anyone but again they make a big deal about him and this is what you get more liars

    Comment by jrizoli — February 6, 2016 @ 7:42 am

    • I wrote a previous blog post about Schindler’s List at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/schindlers-list-the-movie-is-fiction-fiction-fiction/

      The story of Oskar Schindler is FICTION, FICTION, FICTION.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 6, 2016 @ 8:01 am

      • Some facts…

        Comment by jrizoli — February 6, 2016 @ 8:06 am

      • Here is a quote from an interview with the author Thomas Keneally in the New York Times in 1982 after he won the Booker McConnell Prize for Fiction about the book:

        ”I am delighted with the Booker McConnell Prize, but it is also preposterous to me,” he said during a visit to New York. ”The book is fiction in the sense that Tom Wolfe’s ‘The Right Stuff’ is fiction. The facts are there, but I make use of fictional techniques in character development, the manner in which an incident is relayed.

        ”I deliberately set out to write a book as fact in a literary way. There is some fictionalization when there is not a record of the dialogue. I do a reasonable reconstruction. There is something in it as a novel, but not as a fiction. My publisher, Simon and Schuster, describes it as a nonfiction novel. It is startling that it would win a prize for fiction.

        ”In all salient facts, the story is exact down to the smallest detail of calorie allowances, SS registrations and what happened in Nazi actions in the Ghetto. I had a responsibility to those who cherish the memory of Oskar, many of whom read and corrected the manuscript.”

        Comment by srebrenica — February 6, 2016 @ 12:04 pm

        • I take it you did not watch the video with Ernst Zundel. I think Ernest Zundel did an excellent job on that movie explaining what really happened. For you not to accept that would just show that you as part of the Holohuxsters that are just trying to push their lies these people who write about it are pushing. If a book is fiction then it’s not true even if there’s a little bit in it that is true you can’t make up a whole story with 90% lies and 10% truth thinking that the public is going to accept it as 100% truth it doesn’t work that way. It’s like having a glass of water with a couple of drops of poison in it even though most of it is water would you want to drink it.

          Comment by jrizoli — February 6, 2016 @ 12:13 pm

          • These people turn the novelist Thomas Keneally into a historian as fast they turned the execution expert Fred Leuchter into a fraud. Total hypocrisy…

            Comment by hermie — February 6, 2016 @ 7:33 pm

            • Total hypocrisy

              That’s a good point/observation.

              Comment by eah — February 6, 2016 @ 9:57 pm

        • SREBRENICA. it is really very difficult to tell such stories taking account of historical events and interviews with survivors suffering because of the traumatic experience they went through. It is necessary to conjecture some details in a way consistent with that time conditions. It is easy nowadays to speak about fiction or so and look in another manner for faults.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 7, 2016 @ 2:17 am

          • wolf wrote: “it is really very difficult to tell such stories taking account of historical events and interviews with survivors suffering because of the traumatic experience they went through.”

            So according to your own words, ‘Holocaust survivors’, as very traumatized people, are unreliable as witnesses and their testimonies are quite useless as sources for history writing (even for the people naively giving credit to testimonial ‘evidence’). Nice demolition of the only ‘evidence’ supporting the Holocaust myth – i.e. witness testimonies…

            Comment by hermie — February 7, 2016 @ 7:26 am

            • HERMIE. i mean that person who passed traumatic events through ought to be interviewed in a carefull and sensitive manner. More listening than questioning. This applies so to Vietnam or Iraq veterans as to Holocaust survivors and even to Wehrmacht veterans, especially from the East – Russian – battlefront. Stop all Your puritan fault looking.

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 7, 2016 @ 9:22 am

              • Wolf……HoloHoax survivors should be interviewed but more important CROSS EXAMINED to see if their stories are in harmony with the facts.
                Why are we not allowed to cross examine these people? It’s obvious isn’t it….Most of them are LIARS.
                Shouldn’t we be able to see the line between fantasy and truth?

                Jim Rizoli
                CCFIILE.COM
                RIZOLITC.COM

                Comment by jrizoli — February 7, 2016 @ 9:33 am

                • They have been interviewed and cross examined, Jim.
                  The only thing they would honestly know is what they experienced, not Nazi policy, not how the camps were run, not the orders received.
                  It doesn’t matter what they say, Jim. You would simply call it all lies.
                  For example, what is your reply when I tell you that that while the SS did indeed have transit camps but that according to eyewitness testimony, both victim and perpetrator, that Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor and Chelmno were all death camps?
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 7, 2016 @ 12:44 pm

                • All the camps were “death camps” according to the True Believers. For example, Dachau was a death camp; if you deny that Dachau was a death camp, you will go to prison for at least 5 years. I blogged about the Dachau death camp at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/how-many-jews-were-slaughtered-in-the-dachau-death-camp/

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 7, 2016 @ 12:55 pm

                • Dachau was not a death camp.
                  It was the longest active concentration camp. A lot of people died there but it was by no means a death camp.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 7, 2016 @ 12:58 pm

                • Dachau became a death camp AFTER the war.

                  In early July 1945, the U.S. Counter Intelligence Corp (CIC) set up War Crimes Enclosure No. 1 in the former Dachau concentration camp for suspected German war criminals who had been rounded up by the U.S. Third Army War Crimes Detachment.

                  When the American liberators arrived at Dachau on April 29, 1945, they found 30,000 inmates crowded into a camp that had been built for 5,000. Half of those 30,000 prisoners had been in the Dachau camp for two weeks or less. Some had arrived only the day before. Thousands of prisoners had been brought to the Dachau main camp from other camps in the war zone that were evacuated in the last days of the war.

                  Based on the number of inmates at Dachau when it was liberated, the capacity of War Crimes Enclosure No. 1 was set at 30,000 men and women, and the prisoners were held for three years.

                  The former Dachau concentration camp had been a Class I camp where the political opponents of the Nazis and the captured Resistance fighters from German-occupied countries were treated relatively well; survivors of the American camp at Dachau claimed that the German prisoners were treated harshly and denied their rights under the Geneva Convention. There were numerous accusations of torture by the accused German war criminals.

                  The prisoners in War Crimes Enclosure No. 1 did not work and had nothing to occupy their time; there were no orchestras and no soccer games as in the Nazi concentration camps, and of course, no brothel. The library of 15,000 books that had been availabl to the prisoners in the Nazi concentration camp at Dachau were taken by Albert Zeitner, a former prisoner, to the town of Dachau and a lending library was set up in the Wittmann building.

                  The U.S. Third Army and the U.S. Seventh Army remained in Germany after World War II ended on May 8, 1945, and their War Crimes Detachments immediately began arresting suspected German war criminals; 400 to 700 persons were arrested each day until well over 100,000 Germans were incarcerated by December 1945, according to Harold Marcuse who wrote “Legacies of Dachau.” The former Dachau concentration camp already held 1,000 German accused war criminals by the end of June 1945, and they were put to work cleaning up the barracks.

                  Also in July 1945, General Dwight D. Eisenhower became the first military governor of the American Zone of Occupation in Germany. The accused Germans could expect no mercy from Eisenhower who had written to his wife, Mamie: “God, I hate the Germans.”

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 7, 2016 @ 1:06 pm

                • It’s understandable that a misunderstanding occurred over what Dachau was after the war.
                  The SS did itself no favors, of course, by sending concentration camp inmates on death marches into overcrowded camps where they died of starvation and disease.
                  Whatever Eisenhower said in a private diary, there was no deliberate attempt to commit genocide on the German people after the war. They were treated cruelly but no one sent them to gas chambers. Even those convicted of crimes were hung.
                  Today Germany is a prosperous country with over 80 million people.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 7, 2016 @ 1:29 pm

                • The Allies wanted Germany destroyed……I guess some people must of missed that point. It was their policy and they weren’t ashamed of saying it.
                  http://justice4germans.com/2013/07/03/the-kaufman-and-morgenthau-plans-to-exterminate-the-germans-prior-to-during-and-after-ww-ii/

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 7, 2016 @ 1:39 pm

                • Sure Jim, Morgenthau wanted to destroy Germany. Roosevelt and Churchill both signed off on it.
                  Fortunately common sense prevailed. The allies did not destroy Germany. I do agree that the allies treated Germany harshly.
                  The idea was punishment, not genocide.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 7, 2016 @ 2:16 pm

                • I’m not sure why you brought up Kaufman. He was just some crank, racist Jew with a typewriter.
                  None of what he wanted came to pass.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 7, 2016 @ 2:18 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “The allies did not destroy Germany.”

                  Certainly your funniest comment ever!! The fulfillment of their plans has just been spread over several decades. The German people is demographically doomed. Small consolation: Jewry has patently decided to apply its genocidal policies to all the Whites of this world. I think nobody will regret the disappearrance of the last Anglo-Saxon. At least, I won’t.

                  Comment by hermie — February 7, 2016 @ 7:47 pm

                • Actually, Adolph Hitler destroyed Germany. His foolish decision to take on the three most industrialized nations in the world at the same time doomed Germany.
                  The resiliency of the German people, with help from her former enemy the United States, helped resurrect her. Minus some territory, of course, you can’t have everything.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 7, 2016 @ 9:12 pm

                • Jeff… thanks for the classic answer to who destroyed Germany. You claim Hitler destroyed Germany by his bad battle field decisions.
                  That’s actually pretty funny because most of the destruction of Germany came after Hitler was dead. How does the bombing of innocent German people in many of the cities in Germany have to do with Hitler.
                  From 10 to 20 million Germans lost their lives at the end of the war primarily because of the Allies vindictive and hateful vengeful Ways.
                  You do what all the other people do… you blame Hitler for all the troubles and problems when you don’t look a who really cause the problems.
                  The United States and Britain should have been the ones tried for war crimes for the evil that they did but they walked away scot-free.
                  And then on top of it all they blame the Germans for it. Talk about a miscarriage of justice.

                  Jim Rizoli
                  CCFIILE.COM
                  Rizolitv.COM

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 7, 2016 @ 9:28 pm

                • “That’s actually pretty funny because most of the destruction of Germany came after Hitler was dead. How does the bombing of innocent German people in many of the cities in Germany have to do with Hitler.
                  From 10 to 20 million Germans lost their lives at the end of the war primarily because of the Allies vindictive and hateful vengeful Ways.”
                  You are exaggerating again.
                  I blame the one responsible, Jim. It’s as simple as that.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 7, 2016 @ 9:41 pm

                • cross examined

                  It’s ridiculous to claim that so-called eyewitnesses to the ‘Holocaust’ have been cross-examined to any significant degree in proper adversarial court proceedings — complete acceptance and unquestioning dissemination of their claims, no matter how absurd, is the norm — Wolf often says they should not be questioned closely (because what they experienced was too traumatic) — in fact, in one case where they were subject to such questioning, namely the first Zündel trial, it did not go so well for them, to say the least — Zündel’s lawyer, Doug Christie, made eg Rudolf Vrba and Raul Hilberg look pretty foolish (and Faurisson makes a good case that Hilberg actually committed perjury) — Hilberg refused to testify in the second Zündel trial, apparently still smarting from his humiliation in the first — instead, Christopher Browning testified, with similar results.

                  A transcript of the first Zündel trial can be downloaded here: Her Majesty the Queen vs Ernst Zündel — Transcript of the First Zündel Trial, 1985

                  Comment by eah — February 8, 2016 @ 5:12 am

                • I wrote at least two blog posts that are tagged “Rudolf Vrba”. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/rudolf-vrba/

                  When I first read about Rudolf Vrba, I knew very little about the Holocaust and I was a True Believer. It was the story of Rudolf Vrba that started me on the road to denial.

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 8, 2016 @ 6:35 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Actually, Adolph Hitler destroyed Germany.”

                  As realistic, truthful and upside down as the claim that vaccinations cause the diseases they are designed to prevent…

                  Comment by hermie — February 8, 2016 @ 6:48 am

                • http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/how-vaccines-work.aspx
                  Technically you’re right, Hermie.
                  Hitler tricked the German people into accepting him, sort of like how vaccines work.
                  The reality is he was the illness that crippled the body.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 8, 2016 @ 3:14 pm

                • Adolph Hitler destroyed Germany

                  Such discussions are generally useless; however…

                  I think a good case can be made that, at the least, Hitler’s military blunders cost Germany the war against Russia: 1) at a crucial point in the summer of 1941, when the Germans were rolling over the Russians on all fronts, Hitler, who assumed personal command, diverted powerful forces from the central to the southern front (where commanders said they were not needed) — he later returned these forces to the central front, but too late — winter had come, and any chance of capturing Moscow that year, which would have ended the war, was lost (and he would never have another chance); 2) his reckless push to capture Stalingrad, Stalin’s namesake city, left the flanks of the southern front, which were largely held by weaker satellite troops (Italy, Romania), dangerously vulnerable — the Russians exploited this, smashing through to surround the German 6th Army in Stalingrad — while the Germans still had some success the following summer, they would never really recover from this huge blow, the worst defeat for German arms in history.

                  Hitler’s contempt for Stalin and Bolshevism also led him to foolishly underestimate the ability of the Red Army to recover from the enormous losses it suffered.

                  An anecdote: During the early stages of the Russian counteroffensive at Stalingrad, when the disaster was unfolding, an Italian liaison officer reportedly asked a German officer about casualties among the Italian troops; the German reportedly replied caustically: ‘No casualties at all — they are running.’

                  Comment by eah — February 8, 2016 @ 7:14 am

                • Let’s not forget Hitler didn’t push any buttons to bomb his own country the Allies did they took full advantage of trying to destroy Germany. They’re always trying to blame Germany for everything this is just another red herrinh over the trail where the are trying to do it.

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 8, 2016 @ 7:57 am

                • You are correct that the Allies deliberately destroyed Germany. I wrote about this on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Nurnberg/Nurnberg01.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 8, 2016 @ 8:08 am

                • “Let’s not forget Hitler didn’t push any buttons to bomb his own country the Allies did they took full advantage of trying to destroy Germany. They’re always trying to blame Germany for everything this is just another red herrinh over the trail where the are trying to do it.”
                  I’m really trying to understand your point of view on things, Jim, but you make it hard when you say silly things.
                  The allies and Germany both bombed civilians. Re-read your history on the Blitz. German bombers hit London and several other British cities, Coventry for example. The Germans also bombed Polish cities, Soviet cities, etc. Both sides did this. The allies were more successful at it because the Luftwaffe lacked really heavy bombers and the US and British started tag-teaming Germany in 1942 after the US entered the war.
                  So please, stop with the endless passion play, bemoaning the poor Germans. You make it sound like Germany spent the war handing out puppies and candy to poor orphans and that you don’t understand why things happened the way it did. Hitler started the war, he reaped what he sowed.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 8, 2016 @ 2:58 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Dachau was not a death camp.”

                  Do you mean there was no homicidal gas chamber there?

                  Comment by hermie — February 8, 2016 @ 7:39 am

                • At one time, there was a sign in the Dachau “gas chamber” which said that the room was never used as a gas chamber. Now that sign has been replaced. Visitors enter the Baracke X building at Dachau through a door on the south side and proceed through the waiting room, and then through the undressing room before entering the gas chamber. On the wall of the undressing room is a sign which tells visitors:

                  “Gas Chamber

                  This is the center of potential mass murder. The room was disguised as “showers” and equipped with fake shower spouts to mislead the victims and prevent them from refusing to enter the room. During a period of 15 to 20 minutes up to 150 at a time could be suffocated to death through prussic acid poison gas (Zyklon B).”

                  If you go to Germany, don’t let anyone hear you say that there was no gas chamber here; you will wind up in prison for 5 years or more.

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 8, 2016 @ 7:57 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Dachau was not a death camp.” Do you mean there was no homicidal gas chamber there?

                  I don’t know.
                  The research I did on it indicates that even if it was built it was never used on a large scale basis. Doctors did select Dachau prisoners to die under the 14f13 program but as far as I know none of those prisoners on site, they were transported off site.
                  It may never have been used or if so used on an experimental basis.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 8, 2016 @ 3:08 pm

                • You wrote “It [the Dachau gas chamber] may never have been used or if so used on an experimental basis.”

                  Sorry, but the Dachau gas chamber was real and it was used, according to the American liberators of Dachau.

                  If you deny the Dachau gas chamber, you could be renditioned to Germany and put on trial for Holocaust denial. If lucky, you could get by with only 5 years in prison.

                  After Dachau was liberated on April 29, 1945, the official report of the US Seventh Army was printed as a book entitled “Dachau Liberated: The Official Report by The U.S. Seventh Army, Released Within Days of the Camp’s Liberation by Elements of the 42nd and 45th Divisions.” The Report was based on two days of interviewing 20 political prisoners at Dachau; the prisoners told the Americans that both the shower room and the four disinfection chambers were used as homicidal gas chambers.

                  The following quote is from The Official Report:

                  “When the American troops arrived on 29 April 1945, there were approximately 32,500 estimated internees of all nationalities, the Poles predominating. During this period, the camp was notorious for its cruelty, but within the last six or eight months, some ‘token’ improvement was noted in the treatment of the internees. However, the new crematorium was completed in May 1944, and the gas chambers, a total of five, were used for the executions and the disposals of the bodies.”

                  The Baracke X building and the five gas chambers were actually completed in May 1943.

                  The Report of the Atrocities Committed at Dachau Concentration Camp, signed by Col. David Chavez, Jr., JAGD, 7 May 1945 is quoted below:

                  “The new building had a gas chamber for executions… the gas chamber was labeled “shower room” over the entrance and was a large room with airtight doors and double glassed lights, sealed and gas proof. The ceiling was studded with dummy shower heads. A small observation peephole, double glassed and hermetically sealed was used to observe the conditions of the victims. There were grates in the floor. Hydrogen cyanide was mixed in the room below, and rose into the gas chamber and out the top vents.”

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 8, 2016 @ 4:34 pm

                • Well then, this will please Jim immensely. He finally gets that real gas chamber he’s been pining for.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 8, 2016 @ 4:44 pm

                • “If you go to Germany, don’t let anyone hear you say that there was no gas chamber here; you will wind up in prison for 5 years or more.”
                  I have an enormous amount of respect for you but I’d expect that statement from Jim, not you.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 8, 2016 @ 3:10 pm

              • wolf wrote: “HERMIE. i mean that person who passed traumatic events through ought to be interviewed in a carefull and sensitive manner. ”

                I knew you would respond something like that. I knew you wouldn’t let me use your own argument, an argument you use every time a ‘Holocaust survivor’ says things so extravagant & ridiculous they are obviously fraudulent. Your dear damage control technique. You know, when you say something like “DEAR MODERATOR, COMMENTATORS AND FRIENDS OF ZE VORLD, you must remember those martyrs went through an unparalelled trauma. So their memories can’t be trusted. And you can’t expect people so traumatized to remember if their relatives were turned into lampshades or book covers. CLEAR?” OK. I see. The false memories thing can be used to save the Holo-myth from its biggest buffooneries, not to attack it. Dully noted.

                Comment by hermie — February 7, 2016 @ 10:30 am

                • HERMIE, JRIZOLI. When I met with persons having had a great traumatic experience I never asked questions but only listened and so I learned much. Memories have to be carefully evaluated whether consistent with historical facts made certain. However listening to such a person one can learn about events still not explained: We know the fate of three Jewish comuinities in Poland only because and old SS man who belongend to an mass execution unit – Eisatzgruppe – could not help tellling about the massexecution of these comunities he took part.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 7, 2016 @ 11:11 am

                • EAH, HERMIE. indeed I learned very much about facts listening only what persons who had traumatic experiences had been ready to say. A hard cross examination may suggest the answers which the person thinks examiner wants to hear or induce to follow a sefl-defence attitude; in any way harm the fact cecking on a tragical event or period.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 8, 2016 @ 6:51 am

              • HERMIE. Just yesterday a real survivor told me that thanks to a young reporter who avoided asking too many questions he, at last. had the opportunity to tell his real conditions and feelings of fear in 1944/45 at Budapest. Indeed, the report pubblished is satisfactory according my standards and shows the historical conditions consistently with the facts avoiding silly tear pressing.

                Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 9, 2016 @ 12:13 am

                • FURTHERGLORY, jrizoli, All the Concentration Camps actually had been death Camps. In the “ordinary camps” like Dachau, Buchenwald, etc. the forecasted death would occure through exhaustion and deseases due to forced labor not to mention starvation and various abuses. The Holocaust history call Death Camps those – Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, Chelmo, Majdanek – where Jews had been killed in the Gas Chambers. Nazism had been a deep rooted hatred and death doctrine a fact You in USA do not want to see. As in USA until 1970 in many States there had been racial discrimination rules and in politcal debate racist prejudices soften come out, You do not want to see Nazi racism. Many comments here rather than discussing facts show anti-Semite prejudice.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 10, 2016 @ 2:13 am

                • Wolfe ….most of the statements by us the statements made that are reasonable based on facts. In regards to racism the Jews are the most racist group of people in the world if anyone is anti-semitic it’s them. Anti-semitism is not people hating the Jews its the Jews hating everyone else. The Nazis wanted to contain the Jews because of the way they acted they knew they were bad people and left out of control they would bring the government down they had to be contained and the best way to do it was to put them in camps to work something that you dont like to do. You people are not the victims you are the prosecutors and persecutors and you continue to be so today by making all your rules and regulations to protect just you with all your hate laws your Holocaust denial laws anything that protects your big lie. You don’t care about anyone else except yourself and that’s why I feel in God’s due time you going to feel the wrath of him coming down upon you for what you’ve done for all these millennium.
                  Some of us here have stood against you because we’re not going out while the bullies that you are get away with your nonsense.

                  Jim Rizoli
                  CCFIILE. COM
                  Rizolitv. COM

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 10, 2016 @ 7:48 am

                • “The Nazis wanted to contain the Jews because of the way they acted they knew they were bad people and left out of control they would bring the government down they had to be contained and the best way to do it was to put them in camps to work something that you dont like to do.”
                  All of them, Jim?
                  Men, women and children?
                  Why are you falling back on silly stereotypes, that Jews don’t want to or don’t like to work?
                  Any thoughts on my offer to summarize Revisionism to you, what I’ve learned? You can tell me what I got right, what I got wrong.
                  I promise, no sarcasm, no snarky comments, no BS.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 10, 2016 @ 8:05 am

                • Jeff I definitely would like to hear your summarization of revisionism and then I’ll give my summarization of the HoloHoaxers.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 10, 2016 @ 8:31 am

                • Fair enough.
                  You will get it either tonight or tomorrow.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 10, 2016 @ 3:40 pm

      • author Thomas Keneally

        Far more people have seen the movie than read the book — so the impact of the movie is far more important — in that sense, it is natural to wonder how the movie corresponds to the book — of course everyone who has seen the film remembers the brutal murder of the female prisoner who gives advice on a building site — did that happen? — fg has written here many times that abuse of prisoners was not allowed — indeed more than a few SS (and other) men were prosecuted for this in SS courts — so I see it as unlikely that anything like that happened — this was just one of the scenes in the movie that one could call vicious ‘Holocaust’ propaganda (some would say that’s what the entire movie was).

        Comment by eah — February 6, 2016 @ 12:17 pm

        • One memorable scene in Schindler’s List is definitely untrue. And that is where Amon Goth – the Commandant – is seen on the balcony of his villa taking pot-shots with his rifle at the inmates. Well, that couldn’t possibly have taken place, because the villa did not overlook the Plaszow camp, but lay at the foot of a steep slope, alongside the perimeter, and by a public road. He would not have been able to view anything that was going on inside the camp, but only who and what was entering and leaving the site.

          The film also made a great song-and-dance about headstones from the Krakow Jewish cemetery being demolished, smashed-up, and being brought to Plaszow in order to be used as paving stones for the inmates to have to walk across – but did this really happen?

          Comment by Talbot — February 6, 2016 @ 12:46 pm

        • Amon Goth – the Commandant – is seen on the balcony of his villa taking pot-shots with his rifle

          Yes — that was certainly one of the things/parts of the movie that was on my mind when I wrote (some would say that’s what the entire movie was).

          Comment by eah — February 6, 2016 @ 12:56 pm

        • EAH. Himmler wrote the order against “abuses on prisoniers” only to show it to Red Cross Delegates who at a certain moment started questioning about the conditions of civlian (political) prisoniers in the Concentrations Camps. As shown by German historians the SS men had been trained how to torture prisoniers; hesitations had been considered as weakness and punished accordingly.
          The cases of SS men punished for abuses had been means to get rid of someone because of internal quarrels. See the case of Buchenwald and Lublin Commander Koch who had been in conflict with SS General Prince Waldeck Pyrmont who then avoided the well deserved Death Sentence and got free after four years only because related with British or Netherland Royal Family.
          FURTHERGLORY and all commentators. in USA You simply are unable to realize what kind of hatred and death doctrine Nazism had been – “we are not in the country of poets and thinkers but in that of sentencers and executers” – and how terrible were the conditions in East, Central and South Europe during WWII. For Your satisfaction: As the son of THE LAST OF THE UNJUST I am facing the same problem also with the USA and UK Jewish Establishment.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 7, 2016 @ 2:47 am

          • You wrote: “he cases of SS men punished for abuses had been means to get rid of someone because of internal quarrels. See the case of Buchenwald and Lublin Commander Koch who had been in conflict with SS General Prince Waldeck Pyrmont who then avoided the well deserved Death Sentence and got free after four years only because related with British or Netherland Royal Family.”

            I also wrote about this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/08/07/bones-tv-show-has-an-episode-featuring-zyklon-b-used-at-majdanek/

            I wrote about this on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch3.html

            The star witness for the defense in the Buchenwald case was SS officer Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen, the special court judge who had convicted Ilse’s husband, Commandant Karl Otto Koch, and sentenced him to the death penalty in 1943. In his previous testimony as a defense witness for the SS at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal on 7 August 1946, Morgen said that he had investigated around 800 documents that pertained to concentration camp criminal cases, and from this, he had tried 200 SS men on charges of corruption and/or murder in various concentration camps. Morgen testified that he had personally arrested 5 concentration camp commandants and two were shot after being convicted. Morgen added that “Apart from the commandants, there were numerous other death sentences against Fuehrers and Unterfuehrers.”

            Comment by furtherglory — February 7, 2016 @ 5:08 am

            • FURTHERGLORY. 1. The numerous sentences against SS men certainly had not been for abusing prisoniers but for internal SS quarells. 2. At any rate I consider a great unjustice that while Prince Waldeck Pyrmont, who untill last moment in April 1945 urged the Buchenwald Commander Piester to put more and more prisoniers on the death marches – their certain death – got free already in 1949 due to his relationship with British and Netherland Royal families, SS Sergeant Sommer (more a fool than a criminal) had been sentenced by a German Court to life prison. So, who commanded the cruel abuses, instead being hanged got free after four years and fool who followed those commands got life sentence. Sommer rather than in a prison should have been sent in a psychiatric institute. Prince Waldeck Pyrmont instead keeping silence arranged every year a Bad Pyrmont meeting of ex SS men; after his death his widow coninued until the Mayor prohibitted those events.

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 7, 2016 @ 6:54 am

              • The SS was far more concerned about corruption than abuse. The men executed were executed for corruption and some excesses but it had nothing to do with the murder of the Jews.
                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — February 7, 2016 @ 3:06 pm

                • JEFF. The corruption had been indeed the main origin of internal quarrels in SS. see the Koch case. When called to give evidence at Eichmann trial Benjamin Murmelstei could have given information about the relationship of Eichmann with a Travell Agency specialized in setting up groups for emigrate to … nowhere. Men entlistede paying heavy money for the … travell only in order to have a “document” that they were willing to emigrate and so avoiding to be sent in Concentration Camp. Fact never brought at the attention of the Court. And Benjamin Murmelstein could have spoken also about other facts of corruption in the SS.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 7, 2016 @ 11:16 pm

          • Wolf, have you read the book? Do you know if the specific scenes mentioned here — the killing of the female prisoner on the building site, and Goth randomly shooting prisoners from a balcony — are mentioned in the book? If so, what is the source (in the book)?

            There are some oddities here — I note that the Wikipedia page on Goth says a Jew named Mieczysław Pemper claimed Goth shot at inmates — yet the Wikipedia page about Mieczysław Pemper mentions only that he was a prosecution witness in the process against Goth — his Wikipedia page also says:

            Als Häftling wurde ihm die Position des persönlichen Schreibers eines KZ-Kommandanten zugewiesen, was einen einzigartigen Sonderfall im gesamten KZ-Lagersystem darstellte. Durch seinen Einblick in geheime Unterlagen der SS konnte er Oskar Schindler wichtige Informationen zukommen lassen und war später ein bedeutender Zeitzeuge.

            I realize that Plaszow was not per se a ‘death camp’ — but given what you claim was a German obsession with secrecy, don’t you find it a bit strange that a Jewish prisoner was allegedly given such a job? — a job that gave him easy access to “geheime Unterlagen der SS” (secret SS documents) — here Wikipedia points out this did not happen at any other camp (no kidding).

            I also recall the scene where the young boy jumped up to his neck in a latrine full of shit to escape a Nazi action against Jews — is that mentioned in the book? — if so, what is the source? — has any survivor ever claimed he did that?

            As I said, there is a lot of rather vicious ‘Holocaust’ propaganda in the film, eg Germans brutally murdering on a whim — and given the obvious falsehoods and lies told by other survivors, it is natural to wonder how much of it is true.

            Comment by eah — February 8, 2016 @ 2:32 am

            • You wrote: “I also recall the scene where the young boy jumped up to his neck in a latrine full of shit to escape a Nazi action against Jews..”

              Whoever made up this story had never been inside an outhouse. The contents of an outhouse are not liquid that a person could sink down into, up to his or her neck. That scene was meant to shock the audience, but it was totally ridiculous.

              Comment by furtherglory — February 8, 2016 @ 6:41 am

            • EAH. It sometimes occured that the SS called a Jewish inmate to the position of clerk in their office. At Auschwitz there had been called some female inmates to work on writing the lists of persons killed. Their story is reported in the book. DIE SCHREIBERINEN DES TODES. At THERESIENSTADT a Jew had a strange job – PRESSE BURO/Press Office – at the KOMANDATUR/HEADQUARTER and it had been wise avoid questions about the task. Needless to say that the Jew had been deported to Auschwitz in the October 1944 transport vawe and did not survive.

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 9, 2016 @ 8:58 am

              • Wolf….you weren’t there is Auschwitz right? So all your info is second hand correct me if I’m wrong. And if you were you should of been zapped by the evil menace.
                Just for the record….
                I’m still waiting for my holocaust challenge, who will be the first person in my 20 years of research to give the names, even ONE name of anyone that through forensic proven science that was gassed at Auschwitz? Just one out of millions….such a simple thing to have the holocaust come under scrutiny as to whether anyone was homicidally gassed at Auschwitz. Why is this so difficult? waiting, waiting, waiting.

                Maybe you all can check 60 volumes of death records now in the hands of the Russians and flck through those thousands of records to find ONE mention of death by homicidal gassing……..My challenge will be ignored…..Certainly in ALL the Nurmberg trial records ONE person must have metioned autopsies proven beyond a shadow of a doubt homicidal gassings…..maybe not…LOL A picture of that elusive homicidal gas chamber would be my next challenge, as there must of been one picture taken of the dastardly deed being done. The camera man must of been off the days it happened….I guess he had a lot of days off. Unless he was the one throwing the Zyclon B through those non existent roof holes, onto hundreds and thousands of people who were packed in so tight they died standing up all black and blue.
                One thing is for sure….if they were packed in with one sq foot of area around themselves they would of died of suffocation and not gas poisoning.
                But hey, the Jews were very complicit and followed the instructions on how to line up for the event. I guess they must of all been hypnotized to be able to accomplish a logistically impossible task. The Germans were good at organization but not that good.

                I mean really now thousands of pictures but not one of murder weapon. Please no pictures of fumigation chambers…..there were plenty of them. Hard to believe a murder case as this could go down with NO solid evidence of the murder weapon. But some very nice horror stories to get the jury all worked up.
                The Jews story about all of this writes as the best fiction around but the problem is it gets translated into non fiction for the movies and bad dreams for some on this list.

                http://www.timesofisrael.com​/ny​-rabbi​-not​-even​-1​-million​-jews​-killed​-in​-holocaust​/​?fb​_comment​_id​=fbc​_987783717929413​_989704521070666​_989704521070666

                Comment by jrizoli — February 9, 2016 @ 9:34 am

                • “Maybe you all can check 60 volumes of death records now in the hands of the Russians and flck through those thousands of records to find ONE mention of death by homicidal gassing……”
                  Words escape me but I’ll try….
                  Jim, the camp never registered the inmates they gassed. Why on earth would those gassed have any sort of death certificate or notification?
                  Also, why would the SS Doctors autopsy any of those killed in such a way? The whole point is to dispose of the bodies, not make up cute, fake causes of death.
                  The gassed bodies were destroyed so the Soviets could not autopsy those that died at Auschwitz. I don’t know of any autopsies done at Majdanek.
                  From my understanding, Western doctors did autopsy some of the dead at Dachau. Those poor souls died of disease and malnutrition, not gassing.
                  Large scale gassing operations ended in the Fall of 1944.
                  So, your silly request will remain unrequited.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 9, 2016 @ 10:10 am

                • I wrote about how the gassing operation was handled on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/a-holocaust-fairy-tale-jews-saved-by-a-malfunction-of-the-gas-chambers/

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 9, 2016 @ 10:30 am

                • Jeff you are so out to lunch it’s incredible…..If they didn’t register these people why did they have all those urns for ashes in the back room of some of the camps?
                  You have NO proof of what you are saying whereas Ithey have the pictures of the urns in the building in FG’s link below
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/urns-for-ashes/

                  I would think they had pretty good paper trail of people that died in the camps wouldn’t you say.

                  Jeff your lack of research into the matter is definitely showing here. You’re just another HoloHuxster parrot that has no clue what was going on there.
                  You haven’t done ANY thorough research to prove your case just more nonsense to fool gullible people who are just like you.

                  Jim Rizoli
                  CCFIILE.COM
                  RIZOLITV.COM

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 9, 2016 @ 10:31 am

                • You wrote: “Jeff your lack of research into the matter is definitely showing here.”

                  Jeff has done lots of research, but not in the right place. He does his research in True Believer books and on True Believer websites.

                  The best place to do Holocaust research is on the Inconvenient History blog at http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/index.php There, you will find a wealth of articles written by the experts.

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 9, 2016 @ 10:47 am

                • I’ve been to Inconvenient History.
                  By no stretch of the imagination are they “experts.”
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 9, 2016 @ 11:34 am

                • Jeff…. your comment about inconvenient history I would think that they more expert than you.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 9, 2016 @ 12:28 pm

                • Denier history, yes, they are experts.
                  Real history, not so much.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 9, 2016 @ 12:37 pm

                • “You have NO proof of what you are saying whereas Ithey have the pictures of the urns in the building in FG’s link below:”
                  The link talked about Dachau, not Majdanek or Birkenau. Dachau was not an extermination camp, it was a regular concentration camp.
                  Jim, let me walk you through this:
                  A train arrives at Birkenau carrying 5,000 Jews.
                  Let’s say after selection you keep 1,000 Jews. Now, the intention at this point is to have these Jews do labor.
                  So, you have to feed, clothe and shelter them. Granted, you aren’t going to feed them that much and the clothes are not great, however, you still have to this. This costs money.
                  For accounting purposes, you have to know how many workers you have in order to allot money for food, shelter and clothing. There is a budget to consider. So, you register these prisoners, tattoo them, disinfect them, clothe them and then send them off to the barracks or off to work.
                  When they die you have to account for that also because that slot either needs to be filled or left open. If you don’t fill it that means that slot is no longer part of the budget. For statistical purposes the Reich Statistics Office wants to know how that person died so they can keep track of it.
                  It’s all bureaucracy and accounting. I know a lot of this because I work for a state agency. In our case we have to account for salary, training, insurance costs, the cost of the work space, coverage for clients, etc. When people quit or get fired we keep track of that for statistical purposes.
                  It’s the same thing for a camp.
                  On the flip side, unless an outside person is a client or otherwise involved in an agency, we are not going to out of way to keep track of them because we don’t have to.
                  The same thing holds true for a concentration camp. If you are not incarcerated there then the camp administration does not care about you.
                  Now, back to our example of the train with 5,000 Jews.
                  The other 4,000 Jews no longer matter once they are dead and burned. The only thing that did matter is the amount of Jews on the train to start with.
                  Why would the camp administration bother to register and record a cause of death for 4,000 people they never have to feed, clothe or shelter? There is no need to account for them. They are unpersons, only fit to go to the gas chambers and then cremation.
                  So, Jim, no, the camp administration would not bother to register and then account for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people sent directly to the gas chambers.
                  Always happy to help.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 9, 2016 @ 11:33 am

                • Jeff I can see you lacking in business 101.
                  Why would anyone in their right mind spend all that money time and energy to bring people to a place to kill most of them and keep some of them it would make no business sensel. The smartest thing would have been to just kill them where they were and just bring the new ones. Your business example lacks sense. Now on another note just to let you know those trains were not capable as far as I could see in carrying that many people I could see maybe a thousand or even 3k but not the 5k The train only had one engine as far as I could see also there’s no way they can pull that many cars. Please show me how a train with one engine can pull a load of cars which would in that case if there was five thousand people there 100 people per car that would be at least 50 cars plus the Germans guards equipment clothing accessories it would be is impossible. This is just another one of your a fiction stories that you want to believe but the logistics of it is impossible they could not put that many people on one train into the camp please show me how that was done.
                  So your story right from the get go is impossible never mind them getting to the camp.
                  They say all the woman and children below a certain age children wise anyway were killed. Yet its hown that there were plenty of children and older folks in Berkinau and all the people that survived who would have been killed if you’re going by your story. So again your story makes no sense how would they choose these people there were young and old and keep some of them that would have no experience in working or even able to work why would they keep these people living please answer me that question.
                  Talk about a waste of resources.

                  Jim Rizoli
                  CCFIILE.COM
                  Rizolitv. COM

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 9, 2016 @ 11:52 am

                • My train example was just that, an example. It doesn’t matter about the number so much. It could be 1000, 3000, whatever.
                  Jim, you are mistaken in comparing private business with how governments operate. I know more about this than you.
                  The SS was a government entity, funded by the Reich. The SS dabbled in business ventures and made attempts to get into manufacturing weapons for example but these were not businessmen. The SS was most successful when it worked with private business, not in competition with them.
                  Jim, the reality is that nothing about the Holocaust made sense. It happened, but frankly murdering millions of people for ideological reasons made no sense in the midst of a war.
                  Even looking at this from the denier point of view it makes no sense. If the intention was to incarcerate the Jews and make them work, you could do this in their home countries. You don’t have to transport them, the only thing you have to do is build a shelter and feed them. Instead what you want me to believe is that the Germans transported all of these Jews to camps in the East in the middle of a war. Why transport Polish Jews anywhere? You already have ghettos. Those ghettos had workshops. It is a complete waste to empty those ghettos.
                  On the other hand, if you wanted to committ mass murder and you wanted to keep it secret to prevent public relations issues and even armed resistance, the fiction of deportation makes much more sense.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K — February 9, 2016 @ 2:11 pm

                • “They say all the woman and children below a certain age children wise anyway were killed. Yet its hown that there were plenty of children and older folks in Berkinau and all the people that survived who would have been killed if you’re going by your story. So again your story makes no sense how would they choose these people there were young and old and keep some of them that would have no experience in working or even able to work why would they keep these people living please answer me that question.”
                  There was a “Family Camp” for both the gypsies and the members of the so-called “Priveleged Ghetto” of Terezin. The SS kept them alive for as long as it was expedient to do so.
                  As for the other children, some were kept alive to be experimented on.
                  No system is perfect, Jim. The SS did not have birth certificates so it is plausible that a tall 12-15 year old child was spared or a healthy older person was spared. There also was flexiblility built into the system. I could see where at times of greater need for labor the SS relaxed the rules.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 9, 2016 @ 2:19 pm

                • Jeff I’m losing brain cells every time I read a reply from you. You have the parrot answers that they give you for all the questions I asked but there is no proof of anything that you say is true. Now you say they kept these kids alive to experiment on them please show me how they did this and who they did this too. There are plenty of Holo hucksters out there that said they were experimented on when that’s all that happened to them is they went to the doctor to get some needed help. Again your explanation of things is so far reaching it blows my mind that an intelligent guy like you or maybe I’m giving you too much credit supposedly intelligent guy like you can come up with the stupid answers that you do when there is no proof whatsoever that these things happen at all. Remember the Birkenau camp housed hundreds and hundreds and thousands of people that did not work old people young people. The Germans would not have wasted all that time and energy keeping these people alive who cannot give to the war effort by working they were actually a liability on the Germans but the Germans kept them alive. It makes no sense what you say

                  Jim Rizoli
                  CCFIILE. COM
                  Rizolitv. COM

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 9, 2016 @ 2:53 pm

                • http://www.deathcamps.info/Experiments/experiments.htm

                  http://www.auschwitz.dk/Bullenhuser.htm

                  Yes, Jim, I know.

                  LIES!!!!!! It’s all LIES!!!!!!!!! LIARS LIE!!!!!!!
                  Jews LIE!!!!!!!

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 9, 2016 @ 10:09 pm

                • “Jeff I’m losing brain cells every time I read a reply from you. You have the parrot answers that they give you for all the questions I asked but there is no proof of anything that you say is true.”

                  That is hurtful.
                  I have feelings, Jim.
                  😥

                  I’m kidding. I don’t really have feelings.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 9, 2016 @ 10:12 pm

                • “it blows my mind that an intelligent guy like you or maybe I’m giving you too much credit supposedly intelligent guy like you can come up with the stupid answers that you do when there is no proof whatsoever that these things happen at all. Remember the Birkenau camp housed hundreds and hundreds and thousands of people that did not work old people young people. The Germans would not have wasted all that time and energy keeping these people alive who cannot give to the war effort by working they were actually a liability on the Germans but the Germans kept them alive. It makes no sense what you say”

                  I sense that you are vexed with me.
                  Very well.
                  I’ll tell you what, Jim. If you want, I can summarize the Revisionist point of view to you. I want to prove to you that I have been paying attention, that I have read some of the books and visited the websites. I have actually read some of the articles on Inconvenient Histories.
                  No BS, no sarcasm and no snarky comments.
                  Let me know. I’m willing to do this and you can tell me if I’m right or wrong, what I do or don’t understand.
                  Or, you can tell me no. I’m cool either way.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 9, 2016 @ 10:36 pm

                • jrizoli, Nazi philosopher Heidegger – who, by the way, prefered to make love with jewesses – came with the thesis the Jews had destructed themselves. While in October 1939 Eichmann at Nisko said smiling “… otherwise it will mean to dye”. You can only repeat such statements. For centuries and centuries we Jews had been victims of religious and racial based hatred shitted down by thinkers, preachers, writers, poets etc. And now I have to face the accusation of racism. You deserve a good lesson of racism granted by Masterdevil Eichmann.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 10, 2016 @ 10:44 am

                • wolf wrote: “While in October 1939 Eichmann at Nisko said smiling “… otherwise it will mean to dye”.”

                  To dye their hair blonde, red, blue or green?😉

                  (To dye: add a color to or change the color of (something) by soaking it in a solution impregnated with a dye. Synonyms: to color, tint, pigment, stain, wash)

                  I’ve already advised you before to use correct English when making up fake quotes out of thin air, wolfie. Otherwise anybody can see too easily that you’re a forger.

                  Comment by hermie — February 13, 2016 @ 7:58 am

      • furtherglory wrote: “The story of Oskar Schindler is FICTION, FICTION, FICTION.”

        I found E.T. more credible than Schindler’s List. I found Stevie PlayMountain on the decline with that one.

        Comment by hermie — February 8, 2016 @ 7:50 am


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