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February 12, 2016

Holocaust survivor was forced to stand in line 17 times for gas chamber selection

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 9:27 am
Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler inspects Monowitz, July 1942

Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler inspects Monowitz factories, accompanied by German engineers, July 1942

SiemansFactoryBrobrek

According to the news reports, some of the Jewish prisoners at Monowitz worked in the Siemens factory at Brobeck, which is shown in the photo directly above.  Reinhold Henning has been accused of mistreating these prisoners.

The following quote is from a news article which you can read in full at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3444258/We-stand-naked-four-hours-decided-killed-Holocaust-survivor-reveals-horrors-Auschwitz-trial-SS-guard.html

A Holocaust survivor today told a court how he was forced to stand naked in line 17 times during his time at Auschwitz [Monowitz camp] while the Nazis decided who should be sent to the gas chambers.

Justin Sonder was one of three former prisoners who testified about the horrors they experienced at the trial of Reinhold Hanning [Henning], who is accused of helping to murder 170,000 Jews.

Justin was put through 17 selections at Monowitz

Justin Sonder was put through 17 selections at Monowitz

Hanning [Henning], 94, sat only a few metres from the witnesses, but showed no emotion as they spoke of crematoria chimneys belching flames and seeing people being shot.

Prosecutors say Hanning [Henning] told them that he was a guard at Auschwitz but denied taking part in any executions.

[…]

Mr Sonder, the youngest of the witnesses at 90, arrived at Auschwitz at age 17 and was selected to be a slave labourer for the IG Farben company [in the Monowitz camp], rather than sent directly to the gas chambers.

He told the court that after three or four months, he was considered one of the ‘older’ prisoners and feared most selection days, when SS men would look at rows of inmates, who were forced to stand in a line naked for up to four hours, and decide who was still fit to work and who should be killed.

‘I don’t have the words to describe how it was, when you know that you could be dead in one or two hours, it made you sick, made you crazy,’ he said, his voice trembling with emotion.

‘I survived 17 selections,’ added Sonder, a retired police officer from Chemnitz, who lost 22 family members in the Holocaust.

End quote

So why is Justin Sonder testifying against 94-year-old Reinhold Hanning? Did Henning make the selections at Monowitz, and decide who would live and who would die?

No, Henning did not make the selections, but he was there, so he is a war criminal, who deserves to spend his final years in prison because HE WAS THERE.

When will this madness stop?

Prisoners at work at Monowitz

Prisoners at work at Monowitz

You can read about the Monowitz camp on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Monowitz.html

 

42 Comments »

  1. Der Gehilfe muss nicht mit einem konkreten Beitrag eine konkrete Mordtat, Haupttat, nachweisbar gefördert haben, sondern die Beteiligung an dem Gesamtsystem, das auf Vernichtung ausgerichtet ist, reicht aus.” which translates in English as the accused now doesn’t need to be provably guilty of planning murder solely they need to have worked in the
    “system “.
    This can and will be used to extend the trials to all former Reichbahn train drivers,
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/23/secondworldwar.germany
    as well as all former Nazi party members, and German soldiers or armed forces members. The Hitler Youth kid working on the anti aircraft searchlight can also be charged.
    The Shoa must go on.
    PS Furtherglory can you remove all profanities from comments. This is an excellent website and these comments do not need to be shown

    Comment by peter — February 13, 2016 @ 5:14 am

  2. Fuck your holyhoax.

    Comment by Bob Bacon — February 12, 2016 @ 4:10 pm

    • Well, Mr. Bacon, it seems you completely understand the situation. Glad to make your acquaintance.

      Comment by Diane King — February 12, 2016 @ 4:58 pm

  3. I smell bullshit.

    Comment by Shaka Zulu — February 12, 2016 @ 3:55 pm

    • And you too, sir, you understand the situation perfectly. It is good to make YOUR acquaintance too.

      Comment by Diane King — February 12, 2016 @ 4:59 pm

      • Similar cartoons had been pubblished against the Jews, the USA/UK Plutocracies, etc. Perhaps drawn by the same cartoonists.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 13, 2016 @ 1:16 am

        • The thing is, Wolf, the cartoons OF the Jews is true, the “German Villainy” isn’t.

          Comment by Diane King — February 13, 2016 @ 4:07 pm

  4. So the main camp opened in 1940 and apparently the first ‘gassings’ took place in 1941. He went into the camp at 17 and said he was worried about being selected because he was one of the oldest internees there. Even by the war’s end this ancient internees would have been no more than 23yrs old yet all of the photographic evidence from the camps show clearly that lhe would not have been one of the older members but more likely in the youngest 30%. He also is coming up with the old tale of smoke and flames belching forth from the chimney stacks at the camp yet it is well known that. In Germany at that time the problem of smoke from crematoria was solved and their methods were considered state of the art. After all, they wouldn’t want that awful smell fouling the air of the local German people. However, I would imagine that as the old Jew is fragile and we’ll advanced in years (not unlike the accused) his account will not be challenged and his questioning will be gentle (very unlike the accused) and these facts and many, many more. Facts that , at worse, would merely cast doubt on Mr Henning’s guilt and that at best would prove beyond doubt Mr Henning’s (and Germany’s) innocence. These trials are simply a continuation of the unjust and manufactured debacle that was held at Nuremburg, an attempt to reinforce the now crumbling Web of lies. As I have aged my sense of right, justice, fairness, my truth and integrity have, I am grateful to say, become ‘honed, sharper, stronger, of more importance to me. I hold their value high and hope I always shall. However, these ‘survivors’, these old Jews.appear to have become more rooted in their dishonesty and lies. They are bitter and grasping, needing their 5-minutes of fame irrespective of who and what the cost is regards the other, true evil. I hope (I do not doubt he does) Mr Henning remembers the motto he wore on the buckle of his belt all those years ago while he stands in this court today – Got Mitt Uns and I hope he remembers all of those freinds he lost back then, heroes every one amd says to himself every day in court. Those words emblazoned upon his SS dagger. I am sure many will know what words I refer to. Bless you Herr Henning, my thoughts will be with you daily.

    Comment by Simon Himmler — February 12, 2016 @ 2:41 pm

  5. Jews are truly demonic. How else can we explain all of the crimes they have committed throughout history? The phony holocaust, 9/11, funding all of the wars, and so on (do your own research).

    When will Americans wise up to the fact that Judaism is primarily a criminal organization and not a religion? That’s been true since the get-go. Study Judaism like I have (over 10 years) and realize that it’s amazing that these gangsters haven’t already been exterminated. Committing 9/11 is enough to crucify the whole lot. Add the phony holocaust, their control of our banking system, their theft of our national treasury, massive Wall Street corruption, control of our politicians, the Italian mob, slaughter of the Palestinians, their rape of Germany after WWl and WWll, and on and on and on. You need a computer to keep track of their crimes.

    Comment by Alan Folsom — February 12, 2016 @ 1:17 pm

    • Good point, Alan. And most of the crimes you mentioned occurred in this country. Go back a few centuries and add the crimes in the 109 countries out of which they were expelled. Suffice it to say, we have our ‘hands full’ dealing with what they are doing now.

      Comment by Diane King — February 12, 2016 @ 2:00 pm

      • Diane King ,Alan Nazi Fuck You and Bob Muslim nazi bacon eater, and the rest of you cunts here: Holocaust denial on Facebook is a criminal offense. Get that through your fucked up deluded and clouded brains. Nice to know all you cunts still keep such horrendous ideology alive. Congratulations for showing your levels!! With all the mountains of evidence that this horrible fact of history happened..all the films, documentaries, mountains of hair, shoes, glasses and bodies? As I said congratulations for being stupid, ignoramous cunts. You really think millions of people could just fabricate this terrible event? What are you going to say next? Some stupid, lame shit like they all went to South America and nobody died? Please give me a fucking break asswipes!!! You all need to hang your heads in shame. Did any if you ever go to college or get educated. With your comments I highly doubt it. Your parents wasted time and money on you wastes of space alright. Hanning deserves punishment. He was a guard. He was there. He was instrumental in the deaths of 170,000 people. It really doesn’t matter what he really says. If you even remotely have a glimmer of intelligence and pay attention to what these war criminals, ex Nazis say..they ALWAYS deny what they were really doing there. They say excuses like: ‘ oh I was just following orders’, or, ‘I was the cook’, or, ‘I was the electrician’, or, ‘ I did not know what was going on’. I call total and complete bullshit on every one if these excuses. I know all of them and heard them all. They say much the same thing every time in case they are caught. Hanning is saying the same thing, its like a pattern like the others who were caught before him. No matter what you think Alan Folsom and Simon Himmler, if in fact that’s your real names…your probably just Muslim scumb in disguise, cowards to use your real names, they are ALL guilty. If they were there and participated in the commission of genocide regardless to extent, they were instruments in it, then they are guilty as charged. Funny how you call the Nuremberg trials a phony and a lie. I’d sure love to beat the hell out of your mother for raising you like this and having a pos like you. The Nuremberg Trials were the worst of them and you call it a lie??? Well, you are the lie and the wrong. Go eat a big if dicks and get the facts. You obviously were denied an acceptable education. So fuck off and go kill yourself on bacon!

        Comment by Michelle Welchman — February 14, 2016 @ 8:19 am

        • such horrendous ideology

          Actually, belief in the conventional ‘Holocaust’ story, for which there is no forensic evidence, and which both science-based reasoning and common sense say could not have happened as claimed, better fits the definition of “ideology” than revisionism.

          Comment by eah — February 14, 2016 @ 8:53 am

          • This Michelle Welchman can make a sailor blush. Honestly, all I can say is to quote this and thank you, Michelle for making my point that the holocost is a hoax: “Reverting to name calling (derision) suggests that you are defensive and therefore, find my opinion valid.” (Spock,Star Trek – Into the Darkness)

            Comment by Diane King — February 14, 2016 @ 11:33 am

          • So here is the narrative…No motive, plan or money appropriated to carry out the murders. No murder weapon, no autopsies showing ZB poisoning.
            Logistically impossible to support the fantastical claims of witnesses. Buildings incapable as shown to carry out the murders.
            Why they would lie….MONEY would be a big part of it ten years later and years later… and to cover up the lies and murders of innocent Germans committed by the allies.
            The True crimes against humanity.
            So what we have here is the biggest scam of the century and beyond and not many are paying attention because they are too stupid to do their homework.

            Jim Rizoli
            CCFIILE.COM
            RIZOLITV.COM

            Comment by jrizoli — February 15, 2016 @ 9:37 am

            • Exactly and as Fred Leuchter, et al have been saying and again say: “… The fact remains that Mass Gas Executions are impossible from a hardware standpoint…. I have great respect for circumstantial evidence. It indicates a need for further investigation. This evidence will convince some and not others, and I can respect everyone’s opinion. However, the fact that is impossible from an engineering standpoint to effect Mass Executions with gas is not circumstantial. It is Scientific/Engineering Fact. This should override any doubts created in anyone’s mind about the matter. If anyone is willing to believe “Leuchter” and “Rudolf” some of the time, they should believe all the time. There is not middle ground in Science (Rudolf) and Leuchter (Engineering). Black is Black and White is White. We have no Grays. I have left no room for doubt nor has Germar.” Fred Leuchter

              Comment by Diane King — February 15, 2016 @ 10:14 am

        • Michelle or whatever your name is because I honestly don’t think you are a woman most women I know decent woman I know don’t talk that way so I’m so I’m surprised that you would even use that type of language here. First of all you made a statement what about all the hair what about all the glasses what about all this and that. Good what does all that prove? it doesn’t prove anything except those things were accumulated in that camp. When people came in there they got haircuts they shaved their heads that’s wy you have a lot of hair there. the accumulation of glasses these camps actually were sent a lot things from other towns and cities they were a repository more or less like a Salvation Army camp. Plus a lot of these people moved from camp to camp and they couldn’t take everything with them so a lot of the things have to be left there. So the fact that you think that all these things they show you like shoes and glasses and hair mean that there was something bad going on there is ridiculous you have no proof shows nothing and it deginiyely doesnt show anything bad happen their except those who had lied through their teeth about the homicidal gas chambers and all the other things that had happened in the camps. If you read closely and listen to these people speak you will see that the majority of them have no clue what happened no one ever saw a homocidal gas chamber. There is not one iota of proof that someone saw a homicidal gas chamber so you can say anyything you want and keep bitching and swearing that’s fine but people like you have no clue because you’re ignorant and you don’t want to do the research and I think I gave you enough time already your a waste of time if you don’t do the research you’re an idiot check out a lHR. Org lots of articles there you can learn from.

          Jim Rizoli
          CCFIILE.COM
          Rizolitv.Com

          Comment by jrizoli — February 14, 2016 @ 12:23 pm

    • “Committing 9/11 is enough to crucify the whole lot.” Funny you should mention 9-11. I agree with you. I have written several blog posts about the 9-11 attack: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/911-attack/

      Comment by furtherglory — February 12, 2016 @ 3:43 pm

      • The Wikipedia page on Barbara Olson says nothing about the alleged phone calls from an airplane on 9/11 that you mention. Oddly enough.

        Comment by eah — February 13, 2016 @ 2:48 am

        • I did not make up the phone call story. At that time, I was traveling frequently, by air, so I knew all about the phones on airplanes. I didn’t own a cell phone at that time, so I always used the airplane phone. I knew that you had to first swipe your credit card before using the phone.

          Read this part of my blog post again:
          Three days later, Ted Olson was on the Hannity and Colmes TV show and he said that Barbara had actually called the Department of Justice collect from the plane. He explained that she must have used the “airplane phone,” and she called collect because “she somehow didn’t have access to her credit cards.” It seems that Ted had learned that the technology for cell phones that could be used at high altitude was not yet available in 2001, so he had to change his story. But wait a minute! To use the phones on the back of the seats in airplanes, you had to first swipe a credit card in order to activate the phone.

          It was later learned that American Airlines Flight 77 didn’t even have phones on the back of the seats. So Ted Olson’s story of the phone calls was a total lie. But why did he tell these lies and why did he show no emotion about the death of his wife?

          Comment by furtherglory — February 13, 2016 @ 5:39 am

        • I did not make up the phone call story

          I know you didn’t — I’m familiar with it (although I generally prefer to cite WTC-7 as an example of something fishy about 9/11) — my comment was more a jab at Wikipedia.

          Comment by eah — February 13, 2016 @ 6:00 am

          • Wikipedia is a kosher website. Nothing bad about the Jews is ever mentioned on Wikipedia. I believe that Jews were behind the 9-11 attack, not Muslims, as it is now claimed.

            Regarding the 9-11 attack, I previously wrote the following on my blog at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/911-memorial-ceremonies/

            On that day in 2001, I watched the Fox News coverage the whole day; Rick Leventhal was reporting from the site of the attack. Footage from his original coverage was replayed on Sunday 09.11.11.

            As I recall, it was very early in the morning, some time before the second tower collapsed at 10:28 a.m. when I heard that the attack had been perpetrated by Osama bin Laden, the leader of Al-Qaeda. At the next commercial, I rushed to my computer to google these names, which I had never heard before.

            Country singer Alan Jackson has a song called “Where were you on that September day?” On that September day, I was as ignorant as Alan Jackson who sings “I didn’t know the difference between Iraq and Iran.” I could not have pointed to Afghanistan or Iraq on a map. I had no clue as to why America was being attacked.

            At 9:37 a.m. Eastern time, the Pentagon was hit by Flight 77 and 184 people lost their lives, including the passengers on the plane. Fortunately, the section of the Pentagon that was hit was only partially occupied because it had been recently renovated. In the replay of the 9/11 coverage, the wreckage of the Flight 77 plane was not shown, although there were new photos, never before shown, of the remains of the planes that had hit the twin towers. Search and rescue dogs were brought to the Pentagon to find the bodies in the wreckage, but there was no mention of whether or not the bodies of the people on the plane were ever found.

            Comment by furtherglory — February 13, 2016 @ 6:19 am

    • alan folsom. Wall Street and Big Banks are strongly White Anglosaxon and Protestant owned and managed; as for the results see the 1929 collaps. Then see the collaps of the Lehman Bank since 1969 Aryan owned and managed. Furthermore look at the gangster style behaviour worldwide of USA based Multinational Corportations.
      And the KISS MY ASS.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 13, 2016 @ 1:30 am

      • Wolf, ich denke, du solltest die Leute ein wenig Deutsch beibringen — also, lieber LECK MICH AM ARSCH (gross geschrieben) als KISS MY ASS verwenden — OK?

        Comment by eah — February 13, 2016 @ 3:21 am

        • Bitte uebersetzen Sie “DIE JUDEN SIND UNSER UNGLUECK”… Hahaha

          Comment by Schlageter — February 13, 2016 @ 4:08 am

          • SCHLAGETER. Arschloecher wie du sind ein Unglueck fuer die ganze Welt. Gewisse Dichter, Denker und sonstige Papierverschwender haben so das deutsche Volk wie ganz Europa zweimal ins Unglueck gestuerzt.

            Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 13, 2016 @ 7:48 am

  6. “Mr Sonder arrived at Auschwitz age 17, and was selected to be a slave labourer for the IG Farben company.”

    Back during WW2 in Britain, every young person who left school was either conscripted into the armed forces, or had to carry out some kind of war work. Girls could find themselves dragooned against their will into the Land Army, or be expected to work long hours and in dangerous conditions inside munitions factories. Teenage boys could be sent to work down the coal-mines, or be allocated heavy manual work in the construction industry. Often, these youngsters were sent far away from their homes, and had to live in temporary barracks, or camps. But no one spoke about “slave labourers” – even though there was no choice in the matter! The watchwords back in those years was;- “The Nation is fighting Total War” and; “Everyone Has To Do Their Bit” to help the war effort.

    Even much younger children from the cities were parted from their families and homes in order to be evacuated out to the countryside due to the bombing raids, or were sent overseas to Canada. Some never returned home, or lost their parents during the war. ( Some of the ships carrying these young evacuees across the Atlantic were torpedoed by U-Boats and the children lost at sea.)

    So, those years were indeed tragic ones for everybody. Yes – some people did suffer more than others; but after the conflict was over and the raw emotions of war had gradually subsided through the 1950’s and 60’s, then it was time for normal people to consign the terrible conflict to history and move on. The idea, that in the year 2016, a bunch of elderly folk who probably can’t even remember what they had for dinner yesterday, should assemble inside a courtroom and accuse each other of things that probably never happened, or didn’t occur in anything like the manner that they imagined, is simply preposterous.

    Comment by Talbot — February 12, 2016 @ 1:02 pm

    • move on

      There is no statute of limitation for murder — that includes accessory to murder (‘Beihilfe zum Mord’), which is generally how these people are being charged — so there will be no ‘moving on’ in these cases.

      Comment by eah — February 12, 2016 @ 1:10 pm

      • No moving on because there is apparently NO justice either since the key players have been executed and the key information corrupted, fabricated or tortured into existence. Move on? I think the jewish culprits – Soviet communists, the complicit Allies at the time (who are still alive) and all the others involved in this serious travesty need to be tried. Let’s NOT move on until we bring THEM to justice for the crime against the misjudged and even innocent sentence and executed at such trials like Nuremberg! Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 21:10:38 +0000 To: dianekayking@hotmail.com

        Comment by Diane King — February 12, 2016 @ 2:18 pm

      • The former SS men are not being prosecuted for murder. They are being prosecuted under the “common plan” law that was enacted after the war. I wrote about this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/ss-men-prosecuted-for-gassing-prisoners-at-mauthausen-but-not-at-dachau/

        Comment by furtherglory — February 12, 2016 @ 3:51 pm

      • The former SS men are not being prosecuted for murder.

        Strictly speaking, you are correct — but I did not say they were — I said the specific charge in these cases is Beihilfe zum Mord, accessory to murder, which it is:

        Westfalen-Blatt — Prozess gegen Ex-Auschwitz-Wachmann: großer Andrang vor Gericht

        Reinhold H. wird Beihilfe zum Mord in mindestens 170.000 Fällen vorgeworfen.

        In German, vorgeworfen means charged — he is being charged with 170k counts of accessory to murder — that is the specific charge.

        prosecuted under

        You hint at the difference here — from the same link:

        Zum ersten Mal in der Geschichte der Strafverfolgung von NS-Verbrechen durch die deutsche Justiz wird der arbeitsteilig organisierte Massenmord in Auschwitz in seinem ganzen Umfang angeklagt. Der Prozess wird am Freitag fortgesetzt.

        The key phrase is “arbeitsteilig organisierte” (Massenmord is mass murder)– this is not easy to xlate — ‘organized via division of labor’ works well enough — it’s what I will call the judicial stipulation (related to what you usually refer to as the ‘common plan’) under which they are being charged and convicted without the prosecution having to produce specific evidence against any of the accused.

        The following earlier story has interesting info about this:

        Aufklärung von NS-Verbrechen — Nazi-Jäger sehen kein Ende der Ermittlungen

        Der Fall Gröning ist für die Zentrale Stelle vor allem deshalb besonders relevant, weil der Bundesgerichtshof (BGH) noch über die Revision zu entscheiden hat – und damit grundsätzlich über die Bewertung des Tatbestands der Beihilfe in diesem Zusammenhang, die “arbeitsteilige Begehensweise in Konzentrationslagern”,…

        Oskar Gröning is appealing his conviction and sentence — the highest German court (BGH) will, via the Gröning case, at the same time presumably decide about this ‘common plan’ judicial stipulation — “arbeitsteilige Begehensweise in Konzentrationslagern”.

        It says further: “Der Gehilfe muss nicht mit einem konkreten Beitrag eine konkrete Mordtat, Haupttat, nachweisbar gefördert haben, sondern die Beteiligung an dem Gesamtsystem, das auf Vernichtung ausgerichtet ist, reicht aus.”

        As of now nothing specific (“konkret”) is necessary — no specific act of murder (“Mordtat”), no specific crime (“Hauptat”) — showing some participation in the entire system is all that’s required.

        It’s all disgraceful of course — as another comment said: German justice is the whore of the elite.

        Comment by eah — February 12, 2016 @ 11:57 pm

    • TALBOT. These trials are the last opportunities to got evidences about those times of darkness. Therefore we should listen with respect what so surviviors as defendants can tell us and evaluating carefully their statements. Even in evidences given by aged persons we can catch interesting information. Fortunately the German Justice is in no way involved in the Shoah Business following better standards in procedures.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 13, 2016 @ 1:43 am

      • You obviously feel there is some merit to these trials, Dr. Mumelstein, but I personally can’t see that anything positive can come out of them. They don’t seem to have any purpose except to keep the old Shoah media band-wagon rolling along nicely. And you yourself have often criticised the media circus, commercialisation, and razz-a-ma-tazz that surrounds the holocaust.

        I try to place myself in the position of people who are now in their teens, twenties and thirties. What would they make of these trials as they see on TV news all these elderly ( and dare I say it – ugly ) old wrinklies arriving at the courthouse. Would they not just say to themselves; –

        “This is all ancient history, and has got nothing to do with me and my life today. It looks like some obscure left-over business from my old grand-daddy’s time. I hope the news doesn’t dwell on this subject for too long, because I want to see the sports results.”

        No, so perhaps its dear old “survivor” – Eva Mozes Kor – who has got the right approach to these show trials. She flies in to Germany from somewhere-or-other under the full media spotlight; bursts into the courtroom; marches up to the old SS monster; gives him a big hug and a kiss; and announces to the world that she forgives him. And that’s probably the best thing to do in the circumstances – they can then all retire to the canteen where they can swop each others wartime anecdotes and hearsay stories over a nice hot cup of tea.

        Comment by Talbot — February 13, 2016 @ 2:49 am

        • TALBOT. We ought to study that history in details in order to prevent it would occure again. Thirty years ago an Italian Neo Fascist told me: “Your fellow Jews should know easily certain things may occure again.” A German Gentleman – in war Wehrmacht officer – told me how 17 old youngsters had been forced to enlist in the Waffen SS and sent to certain death on the Russian battlefield. So, German government in efforts to prevent such tragedies occuring again certainly cannot afford to grant the so called free speech to hatred sprayers like negationists or so. Young men death or heavily injured on battlefield in WWI and WWII did not generate and now Germany needs immigrants in working age. The same applies to other European countries too.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 13, 2016 @ 8:07 am

          • @Wolf Murmelstein. I certainly agree with you that far too many young men have sacrificed their lives on the battlefield in both WW1 and WW2 – a tragedy from which Europe has never truly recovered from even to this day. When the suffering and deaths of the civilian populations are added to these totals, then it is truly heart-rending. But I really don’t think that these show trials that we are witnessing in Germany are really the way forward to prevent similar catastrophes from occurring in the future.

            The majority of the general public are not going to be impressed by these trials I’m afraid. Most people will just give a quick glance to the events on TV and then forget about it – because, quite simply, they are fatigued with the holocaust, and have got more important things in their lives to think about and attend to. In fact, there is a danger of a backlash here, because people will not look upon the “survivors” with as much sympathy as you might think, but will feel more compassion and understanding to these old SS guards and camp personnel who were caught up in something much bigger than themselves, and were just doing their duty. I would suggest that most impartial onlookers would regard the prosecution of these old men (and women) as tantamount to vindictiveness and persecution.

            Preventing free speech, and introducing “hate laws” in every country around the globe is not going to work either. This is simply going to antagonise people and make them more contemptuous and angry towards those who set about restricting their freedom of speech and action. No, the way forward to prevent such a catastrophe in future, is for the Jews themselves to look into their own hearts and minds, to see what they themselves can do to win the support and good will of the Gentile populations. But are they capable of doing that?

            Comment by Talbot — February 13, 2016 @ 9:45 am

      • the German Justice is in no way involved in the Shoah Business following better standards in procedures

        Wolf, sollte ich das ernst nehmen? See my comment above — and others — re the nature of these proceedings.

        Comment by eah — February 13, 2016 @ 3:03 am

    • You wrote: “The watchwords back in those years was;- “The Nation is fighting Total War” and; “Everyone Has To Do Their Bit” to help the war effort.”

      It was the same in America, where people were told that everyone must “do his part” to help the war effort. Even young children, like me, were out collecting scrap metal in a little red toy wagon.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 13, 2016 @ 9:50 am

  7. This is along the SAME line of reporting as the one who survived 5 gassings. “Tell me a story ….” Cumulative nonsense shared and redistributed. The key word? ‘gas chamber… ‘ ANYTHING. Then you KNOW it’s bogus as the only ‘gas chambers’ were those used for fumigating clothing for typhus-carrying lice.

    Here’s a quote from Fred Leuchter about the first U.S. gassing, as a kind of comparison: I am sure Mark (Weber) has reasons for why he has the opinion that there were limited gassings at the now nonexistent camps, where he said I would not be able to investigate. I have not seen the evidence that he has but I believe the impracticality of these gassings would override the circumstantial evidence he has based his opinion on! Scott Christianson (a holocaust supporter) describes the first US gassing (where the temperature was greater than in Europe) and the fiasco of the gas condensing in a pool on the floor of the execution shed and the 2 hour plus wait to evacuate the room and the Warden ordering the yard cleared during because of leaking gas. I believe the SS was too smart for this. It shows the impracticality of the mass gassings (Only one the first time) in his book “The Last Gasp” Univ of Cal. Press, 2010.

    Comment by Diane King — February 12, 2016 @ 11:17 am

    • dianeking. Leuchter is the supplier of the “lawfull execution places” runn by too many USA States. The USA prison sole victim Gas Chambers are in no way comparable with Mass Gas Chambers operating with Zyklon B mass delousing product. So Leuchter is not qualified to shitt down his so called expertises and should only kiss my ass.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 13, 2016 @ 8:15 am

    • Fred Leuchter is the one and only gas chamber expert in America, and perhaps in the entire world. He knows what it takes to gas a person to death, and he knows that the gassing of the Jews in the Holocaust could not have happened the way the Jews claim that it happened.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 13, 2016 @ 9:53 am

      • Exactly, FG. Thank you. Couldn’t have said it any better than myself. Frankly, Fred would be amused at Wolf’s ‘chutzpah’.

        Comment by Diane King — February 13, 2016 @ 2:50 pm

  8. Normally I would say: Yeah, OK, whatever — they were in a camp, and no doubt did suffer — but too many ‘survivors’ seem like little Pavlovian dogs: they heard others say similar things, saw them believed and rewarded with sympathy or more, and so they say the same things, only more so — but when the lies are so outrageous…it gets hard(er) not to despise them.

    Comment by eah — February 12, 2016 @ 9:57 am


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