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February 14, 2016

Let me tell you abour Nisko where the Jews were sent during World War II

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 8:46 am
Railroad station in Nisko Poland

Railroad station in Nisko Poland [2010 photo]

The subject of Nisko is frequently mentioned, by Dr. Wolf Murmelstein, one of the regular readers of my blog.  Before I looked up the subject of Nisko on the Internet, I  had imagined that Nisko was some God-forsaken place out in the wilderness of Poland.  Not true — Nisko was, and still is, a beautiful little town in southern Poland.

Nisko Poland

The beautiful town of Nisko in Poland

So why is the subject of Nisko so important?  I am going to attempt to explain it.

The following quote is from Wikipedia:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisko

When Poland was occupied by German forces during World War II, Nisko became part of the Nazi government’s plan to annihilate the Jews. Beginning in 1939, many Jews were shipped to a reservation at Nisko, where they were left to fend for themselves. At this point in Nazi Germany, the policy of mass Jewish killings had not yet taken shape and Germany’s plan still seemed to be the indirect death of European Jews through exile and deportation to inhabitable locations without sufficient supplies, rather than outright murder in extermination camps. This was known as the “Nisko Plan”. While many Jews were shipped to Nisko and left to die without sufficient food or shelter, the plan of creating a reservation was abandoned, supplanted by the Nazi policy of confinement of Jews in ghettos and then deportation to the extermination camps, including nearby Belzec, Sobibor and Majdanek.[2]

During World War Two, Nisko was an important center of the Home Army and Bataliony Chlopskie. In 1944 – 1945, the Red Army and the Soviet NKVD arrested here a number of Poles, executing members of anti-Communist resistance.

[…]

The reservation idea was devised by Adolf Hitler with Nazi chief ideologist Alfred Rosenberg and Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, including active participation of SS-Obersturmbannführer and “architect of the Holocaust”, Adolf Eichmann; as well as Hans Frank and Arthur Seyss-Inquart of the Generalgouvernement administration; and Heinrich Müller of the Gestapo. Odilo Globocnik, the former Gauleiter of Vienna, then SS and Police Leader of the Lublin district, implemented the plan and was in direct charge of both the reservation and the adjacent camps.

In total, about 95,000 Jews were deported to the Lublin reservation.[12] The main camp of the entire complex was set up in Belzec initially for the Jewish forced labor. In March 1942 it became the first Nazi extermination camp of Operation Reinhard, with permanent gas chambers arranged by Christian Wirth in fake shower rooms.[13] Though the Burggraben camps were temporarily closed in late 1940, many of them were reactivated in 1941. Two other extermination camps, Sobibor and Majdanek, were later set up in the Lublin district also. The Lipowa camp became a subcamp of the latter in 1943. The Nisko Plan was abandoned for pragmatic reasons.

End quote from Wikipedia

Dr. Murmelstein wrote an essay about Nisko, which I have published on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Contributions/Murmelstein/JewishSettlements.html

The following quote is from Dr. Wolf Murmelstein’s essay, as published on my website:

The very moment to show the Arab friends how Nazi Germany could address Jewish emigration to a destination far away from Palestine came in October 1939 after Poland had been overrun. On October 6th, Hitler, in his speech before the Reichstag, offering in this manner peace talks to the Western Allies, spoke about the new assessment of Poland and mentioned vaguely the idea of a Jewish Settlement Area there.

In the same days of October, a transport of Jewish men of working age from Vienna and Bohemia-Moravia had to be set up, and some leading Community Officials – Murmelstein from Vienna and Edelstein from Prague – with other staff members – had to join. On October 19, 1939, this first transport reached the station of Nisko, a little town in the Lublin area, near the border between the German and the Soviet zones of Poland. After a long march, the group reached a meadow, their destination. The following day, Eichmann gave a speech about building shanties, setting up a health service, an organization to start, etc. as “otherwise it should mean to die.”

In a personal talk, Murmelstein asked about the means available, realizing that there was nothing, as Eichmann advised only: “kick the Polish peasant out and settle in his house.” This seemed to be madness, but a Jewish official, within this mess and ignoring, of course, the political background, could not appreciate the method there was in it.

In those days, other transports arrived; people had been led by armed SS men for some miles and then ordered to disperse: colonization by dispersion of people. A group had been directed right into the marsh; wounded persons lying around had been picked up by the peasants; some brave man had been able to cross the border line towards the Soviet zone.

Murmelstein, after some days, obtained an authorization to leave the camp to look for accommodation opportunities; clearly the very intent was to reach Lublin, asking the Community there for help. In order to have official evidence of efforts performed to find out accommodation opportunities, Murmelstein asked the area prefect for a hearing in order to ask for assent to use some abandoned building as accommodation. As the prefect stated he had no information about things going on, it appeared possible to let local authorities stop the Eichmann action. Murmelstein therefore referred to the October 6th Hitler speech and then to the advice to “kick the Polish peasant out and settle.” The Eichmann march order did not allow putting Murmelstein and his group under arrest, so the prefect ordered them to go to Lublin without any further delay and wait there for instructions.

The Lublin Community leaders were surprised, learning about things going on nearby. Important is that Area Commander SS Colonel Strauch, did not know anything about the Eichmann action. After ten days, Strauch ordered Murmelstein and his colleagues: Return to Nisko for instructions.

Eichmann, at Nisko, sent the leading Jewish officials home in order to catch every possible further emigration opportunity. From Vienna, Prague and Berlin, some thousand persons, until March 1941, could still emigrate during increasing difficulties. No further transports were scheduled to arrive in Nisko any more. The 450 workers returned home after six months. The camp had been set up for the transit of Germans returning from Eastern European countries to the Reich.

General Governor Hans Frank claimed, in a speech, to be the only authority and representative of the Reich in Poland. Hans Frank was not willing to have there an area controlled directly by the SS which would mean also control over him and he preferred to set up overcrowded Ghettoes in town districts. This was another way to show the Arab friends that Jewish emigration had been addressed far away from Palestine; from Poland, no emigration was allowed any more.

End quote from essay by Dr. Wolf Murmelstein

So why is all this important?  To me, this indicates that Hitler did not want to kill the Jews, but he did want them out of Germany.  He wanted to send them to Poland, but this didn’t work out.

70 Comments »

  1. The debate focuses on the german-poland axis. Lets not forget it was the US and UK who blocked jewish emigration from europe in the 1930s and then pretended to be unaware of concentration camps with gas chambers until 1945!

    Comment by peter — August 31, 2016 @ 3:59 am

  2. Considering all the facts and the historical frame I believe that the Nisko Plan had been a mockery in order to show the Arab nationalist that Germany had a way to send the Jews far away from Palestine. That is in no way negationism or so. At that time Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews by forced labor, srarvation, abuses, mass executions and deseases in overcrowded Ghettoes and General Governor Hans Frank started suddenly the first steps for such an action. In December 1941 the Wehrmacht had been stopped on the Russian battlefront and USA entered WWII and so the Nazis wanted to fasten the estermination and chose the mass killing in Gas Chambers employing Zyklon B, available being a German product. Hope my English is clear enough.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 14, 2016 @ 10:51 am

    • Wolf….your English is clear but your reasoning is pardon my French….NUTS! According to the record more Jews survived to collect ripoff reparations than were even in the camps. Actually even in the Reich outside the camps.
      Please explain that. . There were approx 350,000-500,000 Jews that went through the camp system and maybe half of them were Jews. The point is…. there were not that many Jews there and most who were survived. Which is horrible for us. We definitely got the booby prize on this one.
      Of course I’m saying less Jews died and that makes me the bad guy. Death, death, death, that is what the religion of the Jews is. They have to have bodies to show for their suffering/working in a labor camp. . The Cult of Death, the Synagogue of Satan…..Rev. 2:9, and 3:9

      Comment by jrizoli — February 14, 2016 @ 11:13 am

      • There it is right there. I always hear people say Uncle Adolph wanted to bump off the Jews by way of the gas house. Nobody ever mentions he come up with all these other ideas for bumping them off . Makes me wonder if he was totally on board with the gas house idea

        Comment by Tim — February 14, 2016 @ 2:04 pm

        • I don’t think that “Uncle Adolph” knew anything about gassing. If he had known about gassing, he would have rejected the idea as being too dangerous — some of the Germans could have been killed by accident. If he had been persuaded to gas the Jews, he would have called in the one and only gas chamber expert (Fred Leuchter) to supervise the program. Fred would have advised him that gassing was too dangerous and that it would be better to just shoot the Jews.

          Comment by furtherglory — February 15, 2016 @ 4:34 am

          • That’s why I say,what history says is the full custom gospel,is gettin holes punched in it. Why would he waste his time with all these other methods of bumping people off,if he’s the one that came up with the gas house idea. The way I got it figured,if he did come up with the idea ( which it looks like he didn’t),why hire all these other fools to take the gas house idea from the drawing board,to real life. Another thing. If he did come up with the gas house idea (like history is trying to tell us),wouldn’t it make sense he’d go visit at least one of his gas houses at least one time. I mean a system that complex and that grand of a scale,wouldn’t you want to see first hand how it works. How well your idea is working. History is leaving out to crap. I can see why the Jews would hate your website here. People are allowed to decide for themselves. When I first found this site,I thought,”another group of Jew haters”. I’ve found out it’s not that at all. This is a site where both sides present evidence and the ready can come to a conclusion based on the material presented here. I think the internet scares the Jews

            Comment by Tim — February 15, 2016 @ 6:39 am

          • FURTHERGLORY. 1. A tyrann can exterminate a despised and hate people/group so by forced labor, starvation, deseases in overcrowded Ghettoes or Concentration Camps and mass executions. 2. In WWI Hitler had been in an unit at the West Front attacked with Gas. So, in his writings, he wished the same for the Jews. 3. Mass killing in Gas Chambers had had already been used in the Euthanasia programm. So the Nazis had simply to develop it and found that employing Zyklon B – produced in Germany and so easily available – they could manage mass murder in order to fasten the Extermination of the Jews, a basic item of deep rooted Nazi ideology. 4. From late Middle Age on the German Nationalism wanted Germany to rule all Europe, subdue all other European people, Exterminate the Jews, establish a German Church against the Pope and then reconquer Jerusalem. 5. The German Romanticism beside the External Enemy – Napoleon – wanted also to have an Internal Enemy; the Jews appeared to be suitable for this role.
            And then other writers made more and more trouble leading to Nazism and the desaster of WWII. Germany does not want to risk other trouble and so the many trouble makers like the Negationists are considered deserving prison in order to let them shout mouth.
            Now Germany had become – peacefully – the leading state of Europe.

            Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 15, 2016 @ 10:53 pm

            • You wrote: “Mass killing in Gas Chambers had had already been used in the Euthanasia programm.”

              This is one of the lies that has been told over and over. I wrote about the people, who were killed at Hartheim castle, on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/gaschamber01a.html

              The people that were killed were filmed before they were killed. This film used to be shown, long ago, but not any more. The film showed that the victims had “lives unworthy of life,” meaning that they were barely human, and had no brain.

              Today, the story is told that the Nazis killed perfectly normal people who were mildly retarded but able to hold jobs and live normal lives.

              Comment by furtherglory — February 16, 2016 @ 5:22 am

            • So essentially, the myth is summarized as 6 million jews being shipped to Poland to be killed with bug spray.

              No more lies about the Auschwitz Krema I being a “Homicidal Gas Chamber” when the facts show that it would be impossible to kill people in those buildings – couldn’t sustain ‘gassings’ there with Zyklon B: Good for killing little bugs but not for killing people. And those funny-looking holes in the roof? Ya, someone just chiseled them in to make it all look good. Problem is, they did a real bad job. Germans would have made better cuts in the concrete.

              And how about cremating 10,000. 20,000, 40,000 people a day, pick a number as many “eyewitnesses” have done …… Sorry to say the 60 or so crematoriums in all the camps on a good day going full steam ahead might cremate approx 1200 bodies in 20 hrs. The real figure that lines up with all the facts is about 170 bodies a day x 2-1/2 years the time the camps were running might get you to 155,000 bodies, which by the way is what they say is the figure of all deaths in the camps, and half of them might have been Jews. Of course these figures can fluctuate a little but still no 6 million — not even close. Of course no one tells you the crematoriums had to be rebuilt after approx 3000 bodies, and the fact that none were rebuilt, shows you that they never reached the 3000 body limit. How do they explain that one? Oh ya it was the miracle crematorium that just kept going, and going and going… where the ash, bones, teeth EVAPORATED into think air.

              How about those fake showers? I guess the Germans had some system where they could have water come out of them and then flick a switch and that nasty bug spray comes out. Next joke!

              Don’t forget to show all the fumigation chambers which for some reason don’t show up on the real tour, I guess we wouldn’t want the people to know that the real “gas chambers” were fumigation chambers, especially made for those pesky little bugs that seem to get into everything (typhus-producing lice). Those Jews sure knew how to attract those little creatures. I guess their hygiene wasn’t the best as they didn’t bathe that often. Of course the long beards on the men didn’t help any.

              Of course Zyklon B (fumigant) was abundantly available. All of Europe was dealing with a typhus epidemic.

              So essentially, the myth is summarized as 6 million jews being shipped to Poland to be killed with bug spray. (Jim Rizoli)

              Comment by Diane King — February 16, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

              • Even though the Jews knocked it down to 4 million,the rest of us still have to acknowledge it as being 6 million. Only the Jews can say 4 million. 6 is the magical number for us common slobs.

                Comment by Tim — February 16, 2016 @ 12:38 pm

            • wolf wrote: “2. In WWI Hitler had been in an unit at the West Front attacked with Gas. So, in his writings, he wished the same for the Jews.”

              You’re such a liar, wolfie. In Mein Kampf, Hitler didn’t say he wanted the Jews to be gassed. He wrote that WW1 would have been worth the sacrifice if some Marxist leaders, – who happened to be mostly a gang of Jews – breaking the German war effort and morale from within, had been sent to the front (where poison gas was a dreaded weapon) at the beginning of the war, so preventing those Marxist leaders from later corrupting the mind of numerous German soldiers in the trenches of WW1 (as they had already done with the mind of too many German workers during the previous decades). In short, the “Hebrew corrupters” mentioned by Hitler were not “the Jews” (as you claim) but the Marxist leaders, and his “had been held under poison gas” only meant “had been sent to the front”.

              Mein Kampf: “Any idea of real resistance to France was utter nonsense if we did not declare war against those forces which five years before had broken German resistance on the battlefields from within. Only bourgeois minds can arrive at the incredible opinion that Marxism might now have changed, and that the scoundrelly leaders of 1918, who then coldly trampled two million dead underfoot, the better to climb into the various seats of government, now in 1923 were suddenly ready to render their tribute to the national conscience. An incredible and really insane idea, the hope that the traitors of former days would suddenly turn into fighters for a German freedom. It never entered their heads. No more than a hyena abandons carrion does a Marxist abandon treason. And don’t annoy me, if you please, with the stupidest of all arguments, that, after all, so many workers bled for Germany. German workers, yes, but then they were no longer international Marxists. If in 1914 the German working class in their innermost convictions had still consisted of Marxists, the War would have been over in three weeks. Germany would have collapsed even before the first soldier set foot across the border. No, the fact that the German people was then still fighting proved that the Marxist delusion had not yet been able to gnaw its way into the bottommost depths. But in exact proportion as, in the course of the War, the German worker and the German soldier fell back into the hands of the Marxist leaders, in exactly that proportion he was lost to the fatherland. If at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas, as happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers in the field, the sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain. On the contrary: twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated in time might have saved the lives of a million real Germans, valuable for the future. But it just happened to be in the line of bourgeois ‘statesmanship’ to subject millions to a bloody end on the battlefield without batting an eyelash, but to regard ten or twelve thousand traitors, profiteers, usurers, and swindlers as a sacred national treasure and openly proclaim their inviolability. We never know which is greater in this bourgeois world, the imbecility, weakness, and cowardice, or their deep-dyed corruption.”

              Comment by hermie — February 19, 2016 @ 8:18 am

        • Tim wrote: “Nobody ever mentions he come up with all these other ideas for bumping them off . Makes me wonder if he was totally on board with the gas house idea”

          According to his first anti-Semitic writing, Hitler regarded the slaughter of Jews as ’emotional anti-Semitism’, something he despised. He preferred ‘rational anti-Semitism’, i.e. getting rid of Jewry and its harmful influence through legislation.

          “The danger posed by Jewry for our people today finds expression in the undeniable aversion of wide sections of our people. The cause of this aversion is not to be found in a clear recognition of the consciously or unconsciously systematic and pernicious effect of the Jews as a totality upon our nation. Rather, it arises mostly from personal contact and from the personal impression which the individual Jew leaves­­almost always an unfavorable one. For this reason, antisemitism is too easily characterized as a mere emotional phenomenon. And yet this is incorrect. Antisemitism as a political movement may not and cannot be defined by emotional impulses, but by recognition of the facts. […] The deduction from all this is the following: an antisemitism based on purely emotional grounds will find its ultimate expression in the form of the pogrom. An antisemitism based on reason, however, must lead to systematic legal combating and elimination of the privileges of the Jews, that which distinguishes the Jews from the other aliens who live among us (an Aliens Law). The ultimate objective [of such legislation] must, however, be the irrevocable removal of the Jews in general. ” – Adolf Hitler, letter to Herr Gemlich, September 16, 1919.

          This doesn’t prove he didn’t change his mind later and he didn’t opt for despised ’emotional anti-Semitism’ in the form of a giant pogrom during WW2. But it’s true that academia and mainstream media almost never mention Hitler’s numerous ideas and policies to bump ‘his’ Jews off by Government non-genocidal means.

          Comment by hermie — February 15, 2016 @ 5:51 am

          • Thank you. Like I said the history books leave out so much. I don’t care if it’s something that makes hitler look good or bad. All the facts need to be presented. Now I think about it, the history books are nothing but obfuscation and lies. I’d like to see what the history teachers would do if one of their students were to present material on the holo from a site like this and say,” the history books got that wrong “. I don’t care if a student were to present something for or against the holicaust. I’m not trying to be presumptuous here,bet I bet you a dollar to a donut the teacher would probably tell the student,”if it’s not in the history book,then it ain’t true”. I swear. The human race is doomed to failure on a grand scale. The material you presented to me,will probably never show up in any classroom history books . History is written by the people who write it. Those same people want to turn everyone into mindless sheep,by way of them accepting everything they say. The human is doomed to failure on a grand scale

            Comment by Tim — February 15, 2016 @ 7:18 am

    • You wrote: “In December 1941 the Wehrmacht had been stopped on the Russian battlefront and USA entered WWII and so the Nazis wanted to fasten the estermination and chose the mass killing in Gas Chambers employing Zyklon B”.

      Your statement is completely wrong. The only killing with Zyklon B was the killing of lice, in order to save lives.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 14, 2016 @ 11:16 am

      • FURTHERFLORY. Zyklon B is lethal for human beeings even in not overcrowded close rooms when entering to early after a delousing procedure. DIfferently from fuel Zyklon B – produced in Germany – had been highly available and therefore suitable for mass murder in Gas Chambers. The mass muder of Jews and Gypsies had had a well managed logistic. Clearly persons involved in costruction and actioning of Gas Chamebers kept details secret. about technical details. “Your” Leuchter is an expert for the indvidual Gas Chambers, places of “lawfull executions” of what in USA is called giustice.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 15, 2016 @ 6:36 am

        • Clayton Lockett. Was on death row in McAlester,Oklahoma. 2014 executed. People wept,because his execution (lethal injection) was botched. Claytons black ass didn’t suffer enough in my opinion. He abducted,raped,tortured,shot and buried alive a 19 year old girl. People cried and said that was an inhumane way for him to die. I say he got off easy. What he did to that girl,was inhumane. There’s only been 11 executions by gas in the U S. 5 states only use it as a backup. No one uses it anymore. They’re talking now about using nitrogen as a method of execution. No. There’s some people out there that deserve the death penalty. The son of a bitch that gets executed is the lucky one. The family of the Vic has a lifetime sentence they serve. They have to live with the fact their loved one will not return. Execution “is”,justice in America

          Comment by Tim — February 15, 2016 @ 8:35 am

    • in order to save lives

      I would add to preserve the labor force — due to what Wolf has correctly described as the generally poor conditions (health, hygiene) in the camps.

      Comment by eah — February 14, 2016 @ 11:29 am

      • I get a kick out of people that finally acknowledge that the camps were labor camps, there is only so long you can block the obvious. . But the caveat is…. they say the workers were treated badly and eventually worked to death in a week or two.
        Hmmmm….let me understand this correctly….you have all these workers coming from all over the country, trained in to work for you, the arrive alive in the camp, you treat them like shit, and don’t feed them an adequate diet and hope they all die. So that is the plan is it?

        Now that sure sounds like a great way of getting some serious work done in that camp…LOL
        Do you really think it works that way in life. No, it doesn’t, but that is the story that has to be told by the HoloHuxsters to make it work for the gullible goyim that have NO clue how things were supposed to work.
        The labor force was very critical to the war industry it was bad enough that the Jews weren’t the best workers in the first place but to make it even that unappealing would be disastrous and there would of probably been a full scale mutiny. In the Dora camp it was bad enough dealing the sabotage when the workers were caught doing shodddy construction on the rockets that were made there. . Of course when they were caught they were executed immediately. That will teach them….LOL
        Same thing would of happened in the USA….but that topic is another whole topic to deal with.

        Comment by jrizoli — February 14, 2016 @ 1:49 pm

        • So that is the plan is it?

          Not sure what the “plan” was.

          But the crematoria at Birkenau were built because earlier there was a big typhus epidemic that killed thousands of inmates, overwhelming whatever facilities they had at the time for corpse disposal. Typhus spreads where hygiene is poor, and is more likely to kill debilitated people, and those who do not get adequate medical care.

          Typhus

          Typhus was a real problem in the concentration camps, in the typhus epidemic in the summer of 1942 in the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp from 1 to 19 August, 4,113 deaths were registered, on average 216 per day…From November 1941 to September 1942 some 45,000 inmates died in Birkenau, mostly of typhus.

          I think that kind of death toll speaks for itself — hygiene conditions were poor, the inmates were at least somewhat debilitated, and they did not get adequate medical care.

          would of happened

          would’ve — short for would have, which is what you want here

          Comment by eah — February 14, 2016 @ 3:20 pm

        • From November 1941 to September 1942 some 45,000 inmates died in Birkenau, mostly of typhus.

          Just to do the math for you: Nov 1941 to Sep 1942 is approx 10 months — that’s an avg of 4500 deaths/month — using 30 days/month, that’s an avg of 150 deaths/day.

          Comment by eah — February 14, 2016 @ 3:39 pm

  3. To Wolf…its all about the Jews…..WW2 was about the Jews, Hitlers main plan was about the Jews. Farting in front of the Jews was “gassing” them. Cremating them was roasting them without BBQ sauce. Simply put…Hitler wanted the Jews out of his hair, but not by killing them. Lets put them to work and then give them their pink slips when they are done, and a one way plane ticket to wherever….
    Like I sad to Mark Weber when I interviewed him…. summing it up here….it was a liquidation sale of Jews but not the killing way just get them the hell out of Germany for all the problems they were causing.
    Has there ever been a group of people that has caused such a turmoil on the earth as the Jews? NOPE! And there will never be, of course the Muslims are another story.

    Jim Rizoli
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    Comment by jrizoli — February 14, 2016 @ 10:36 am

    • You wrote: “Hitler wanted the Jews out of his hair, but not by killing them.”

      I believe that you are correct. Thanks for writing this.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 14, 2016 @ 10:42 am

    • jrizoli. You and Mark Weber do not deserve any reply and may only kiss my ass.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 14, 2016 @ 10:53 am

      • I have heard Mark Weber speak in person, and he admitted to being Jewish. So even a Jewish person denies the Holocaust. What do you make of that?

        Comment by furtherglory — February 14, 2016 @ 11:13 am

        • Very, very interesting furtherglory. Mark Weber, on other occasions, denies being Jewish even though his sister married an Israeli Jew and lives in Israel. When was it that you heard him say this? You should write up what you remember about it and when, where. It’s very important to revisionism to get to the truth about Weber.

          But I have a correction to make — Mark Weber does NOT deny the holocaust. He says he believes approx. 2 million jews were gassed in the so-called Reinhardt camps. Ask Jim Rizoli.

          Comment by Carolyn Yeager — February 14, 2016 @ 9:46 pm

          • But this came out and was discussed on radio programs and comments long before Rizoli interviewed Weber. It’s not new information.

            Comment by Carolyn Yeager — February 14, 2016 @ 9:48 pm

          • Quote— Mark Weber does NOT deny the holocaust. He says he believes approx. 2 million jews were gassed in the so-called Reinhardt camps. Ask Jim Rizoli.

            Yes, he said that to me with NO proof….
            It’s like magic they disappeared with no trace…
            Go figure!

            Jim Rizoli

            Comment by jrizoli — February 14, 2016 @ 9:59 pm

            • I heard Mark Weber speak at a conference around 15 years ago. It was my impression that he was a “Holocaust denier.”

              Comment by furtherglory — February 15, 2016 @ 4:20 am

              • I heard Mark Weber speak at a conference around 15 years ago. It was my impression that he was a “Holocaust denier.” — furtherglory

                Yes, 15 years ago he may still have been talking that way. But Weber has increasingly been slavishly following David Irving in his shift to placate the Jews and rehabilitate himself in the eyes of the public. It’s all about money for both Irving and Weber — there’s no money in pure, scholarly revisionism.

                So FG, you need to update your knowledge of Weber and quit going by your memory of 15 years ago. But it’s interesting that you thought he said he was Jewish, but his sister was not. You may be mis-remembering what he said. Do you think that’s possible?

                I’ve heard him say in the past couple of years that his sister converted when she married an Israeli Jew. However, I do suspect they COULD BE part Jewish. Weber was raised in the very liberal Seattle, Wash area … or was it Portland, Oregon? He was recruited and paid to work in Africa as a “teacher” by some CIA-related organization. An idealistic type.

                Comment by Carolyn Yeager — February 15, 2016 @ 8:59 am

                • Don’t see how you can keep your facts straight about anything. Your talking about Idiot Amin,Noriega and some socialist that’s running for president over at your site. Face facts. FG has the upper hand on you when it comes to the holo subject.

                  Comment by Tim — February 15, 2016 @ 9:32 am

                • Carolyn Yeager wrote: “He was recruited and paid to work in Africa as a “teacher” by some CIA-related organization.”

                  Waw! I didn’t know that. Is it possible or even likely that Weber was recruited and paid by the CIA (or the ADL, or another Jewish organization) to liquidate the IHR or at least to keep it under control?

                  Comment by hermie — February 15, 2016 @ 8:41 pm

                • Watch out H man. She’ll start questioning your memory like she did with FG. Truth be known,CIA can’t even keep their own house in order. CIA is the last group to find out about anything. Let’s not forget April of ’75. CIA didn’t even know Uncle Ho had his boys in south Vietnam until they were banging on the embassy’s front door.

                  Comment by Tim — February 16, 2016 @ 12:21 am

            • The Jews “disappeared” from the Reinhardt camps because these camps were TRANSIT camps. There is no EVIDENCE of gassing at these camps. I visited the Memorial site at Treblinka and it was very clear to me that this was a TRANSIT camp. I have written about this several times: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/was-treblinka-really-a-transit-camp/

              Comment by furtherglory — February 15, 2016 @ 4:47 am

              • FURTHERGLORY. The AKTION REINHARDT Camps had been DEATH CAMPS, never transit ones. A then, transit to where?

                Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 15, 2016 @ 6:42 am

              • never transit ones

                Wolf, you can find a good many video clips of different survivors relating how they spent a brief time — a few hours to a few days — in eg Treblinka before moving on.

                Comment by eah — February 15, 2016 @ 7:53 pm

          • When I heard Mark Weber speak, someone in the audience asked him if he were Jewish and he said that he was. He said that his sister was not a practicing Jew, although she had married a Jew and was living in Israel.

            It was so long ago, when I heard Mark Weber speak, that I don’t remember it clearly enough to write about it. I do recall that he was a cold, unfriendly person.

            Comment by furtherglory — February 15, 2016 @ 4:27 am

            • FG – Many thanks for answering. See my comment above.

              Comment by Carolyn Yeager — February 15, 2016 @ 9:00 am

            • FURTHERGLORY and others commentators. Mark Weber is a Jew as religion or as racial belonging? The usual question: WHO IS A JEW?

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 15, 2016 @ 9:11 am

      • Wolf, I’m sensing a pattern of response about kissing your posterior. (Not exactly the brightest response). Listen to the interview.

        Comment by Diane King — February 15, 2016 @ 3:24 pm

        • Wolfe must of inhaled too much cyclone be it has affected his brain cells they have been greatly diminished over time and continue to do so.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — February 15, 2016 @ 3:33 pm

        • diane king. Video not available here in Italy,

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 16, 2016 @ 9:23 am

          • Not available in Italy? That’s my point. WHY NOT. What have the holocost proponents GOT TO HIDE? So, we will continue to print the narrative here.

            Comment by Diane King — February 16, 2016 @ 12:36 pm

            • Hey D. It might be like something that happened with me. I got something with my American Express bill. It was an introduction to a wine club. Buy $160.00 worth of wine,I get a $100.00 dollars off the case. I input the promotion code in on the wine website and a message pops up. “Sorry. The state of Texas will not allow you to use the coupon “. WTF? Why does the state of Texas worry about how much money I’m spending . They didn’t give no reason either. That might be what’s going on with Wolfman. For whatever reason,the man can’t get it in his country.

              Comment by Tim — February 16, 2016 @ 12:46 pm

              • I happen to know that Jim Rizoli’s videos are banned in 19 countries and Italy is one of them. THAT’s what it seems i going on, not that there is a misunderstanding about access. No misunderstanding, Tim.

                Comment by Diane King — February 16, 2016 @ 12:48 pm

                • But they can probably still watch Marylin Chambers in ” Insatiable” ,in those countries. At least I can still communicate with an AB buddy of mine. He’s locked down at Ft. Worth FCI right now. He had a buddy of his send me a tape dealing with the ABs. However if Barry ( our black,Muslim,Socialist,president) finds out I’ve got it,he’ll probably ship my ass to Siberia . No offense,but I don’t have the first clue who Jimbo is. I’m pretty sure Rizolli is a Dago name. So I know that much about that man.

                  Comment by Tim — February 16, 2016 @ 2:34 pm

  4. Murmelstein is obviously a Holocaust denier. Vee hef ways of dealing vis such people.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — February 14, 2016 @ 9:25 am

    • Yes, Wolf Murmelstein is INADVERTENTLY a Holocaust denier. The story of Nisko proves that Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany, but he didn’t want to kill them.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 14, 2016 @ 9:28 am

      • FURTHERGLORY and commentators here: I have studied the Shoah history in the context of general political, economic and social history. So I look for the historical background of the specific events. Refering to the Nisko event I considered the fact that Eichmann in 1937 had had talks with Arab Nationalists interested to avoid Jewish immigration in Palestine. Furthermore, at least from 1937 on Hitler considered a possible conflict with Great Britain and so he looked at the Middle East Oil fields. Clearly an alliance with Arab Nationalist against British rule there had to looked for. To reach the Middle East area the way throug Italy and Libya had been the best possible and in the same year 1937 Rommel had made a “touristic journey” from the Tunisia to the Egypt border. So i consider the Nisko event in that context and, therefore, a simple mockery as explained. For such an analysis I certainly cannot be offended as “Holocaust denier”.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 15, 2016 @ 7:02 am

        • I thought hitler was eyeballing the oil fields in Russia . I know he would’ve had to have beaten the Commies into total submission (which there was too many of those bastards to do that),in order for that to happen.

          Comment by Tim — February 15, 2016 @ 7:40 am

          • TIM. Hitler had in view so the Middle East as the Caspian Oil fields to conquer.

            Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 16, 2016 @ 9:27 am

            • Well I kinda figured since Russia was kicking his ass,he’d want to look for easier pickings. Same time though,I figured he’d want to stay on the European continent,rather than go to the African continent

              Comment by Tim — February 16, 2016 @ 9:32 am

              • The Germans were actually winning and the war should have been over at the Battle of Moscow. Stalin was packing his bags to make his break and then he received aid from the U.S. So we contributed to the demise of TENS OF MILLIONS, the fall of numerous countries to communism. I’m thinking a more significant WAR CRIMES TRIAL – and even if the culprits are dead, try them in absentia and anyone else who is still alive.

                (From Amazon Discussion on THE MYTH OF GERMAN VILLAINY)

                German Boy says: Well, Mr. White, 4.39 million of them wound up collecting life-time pensions from the German government as "Holocaust survivors," even though no more than 4.5 million Jews ever came under German control. Census figures show that they were all still there after the war. “…according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000. If the German government under Adolf Hitler had – as alleged – murdered six million Jews those losses should have been reflected in the Jewish population numbers quoted in the World Almanac. The suspicions raised by above numbers concerning the veracity of the allegations made against the Hitler government are confirmed by the official three-volume report by the International…”

                German Boy says: Mr. White, have you no shame? 9 million Jews in the Reich? There were only 500,000 Jews in Germany and 190,000 in Austria when Hitler became chancellor in 1933. By the time the war started, due to emigration, only 160,000 Jews remained in Germany and 40,000 in Austria.

                Comment by Diane King — February 16, 2016 @ 12:40 pm

                • Yeah. We played buddy buddy with those assholes and their locking our boys up from General Dolittles Raiders. I don’t think Stalim would retreat to fast. He’d pour his people away like water. Russia may have had shit military equipment,but they could afford to keep throwing it at the Krauts and not worry how much equipment they were losing. I had an instructor at my jungle training at fort Polk . He said we were winning against the Dinks. Even when Cronkite got on TV and started running his piehole,I flipped him and said ,” don’t lose anything”. My first week in country I figured out,we’re gonna lose this one. My point here is history is written by those who write it. Even while history is being made. The actual people that participated in this party,are either dead or not far from it. Pop is 91. He ain’t gonna be around much longer. When ever I have questions about something I’ve seen on TV dealing with the war in the Pacific,I might talk to the ol man about. Couple times I’ve talked to him about something I’ve seen about the war in the Pacific and he told me who ever made the show,was full of shit. It ain’t what happened. He should know. He was there. Wolfman told me,hitler was eyeballing the oilfields in the Mid East. Russia had and still has some very lucrative oil fields. If Germany was crawling up Papa Joes ass,why would hitler worry about the oil over there,when it would be on his real estate once the Krauts took Russia. I ain’t gonna lie to ya. I wish Stalin would’ve gotten his ass kicked. He was screwing us the whole time. They should’ve let General Patton take some of the Kraut troops and his people and declare war on Russia. He said we’d fight em sooner or later. I just don’t think Cold War was what he had in mind. I still don’t trust the Reds. They got Putin. He’s old school KGB. Nothing he’d like better than to see the Soviet Union rise from the ashes. Hitler was damn intelligent,but he was pulling the same shit our elected officials were pulling when I went to Nam. Trying to fight a battle,from somewhere other than the battlefield. Normandy is the perfect example. That shit still goes on. Too political people involved in it. Telling us where to fight and where not to.

                  Comment by Tim — February 16, 2016 @ 1:26 pm

                • Tim, I read some truly racist comments from you regarding Jim Rizoli. I happen to know that Jim has been active for nearly 2 decades in exposing the lies of the holocost in ways most of us can understand. Instead of name-calling, why not check out Jim’s postings, his videos. He has some interesting presentations and comments. It is easy to make sweeping generalizations when you don’t know what you’re talking about. There are numerous ones on YOUTUBE, but try this one:

                  Comment by Diane King — February 16, 2016 @ 4:39 pm

                • Lighten up lady,you’re strung up to tight. You gonna say something when I call Jews ,”Hebs”? You don’t know shit about racism. You don’t even know me. If I was being mean,I would’ve called him a filthy guinea. I spent from 12 yrs old till the time I left for Nam,in Orlando,Florida. I grew up there long before it became Disney fantasy land. Klan was big there. I’ve overheard comments like,”let’s go hunt nigras tonight”. They’d go do it too. My moma grew up in depression era Alabama. Guess who ran “The Heart of Dixie” at that time? Amdalusia,Alabama is where moma grew up. Lot of blacks would “vanish” if they lived around there. I was talking to friend one time. I was around 12. I used the magic N word. Moma heard that and told my friend he needed to go home. Soon as I got back in the house,she knocked me half way across the room. Turns out my PaPa was one of the biggest racist to walk the planet. Moma told me,when she had a family,that shit wasn’t gonna fly around her house. Last time I saw my PaPa alive was when I was around 3. I don’t remember much about him. Next time I saw him,the preacher man was standing over his casket. You see we were visitin PaPa and Mee Maw. My older sister was out in the yard playing with a little black girl. PaPa saw that and flew into a rage. He was using every racial slur on the that little girl. He ran her off. Clearly I don’t remember this,but moma told me,that’s why we never went to PaPa’s house if he was there. The only way we’d go see my Mee Maw is if PaPa was not there. I heard that PaPa got some of his friends together and went to that little girls house. They gave her daddy a “talking to” as to why his little black bitch shouldn’t be playing with white girls. A very close friend of mine,I went through jungle training with at Ft. Polk. We did our tour in Nam together. We’re still close to this day. Some times I go visit him and we go fishing. If he comes to see me,we go hog huntin over to Natchez or around Morgan City ( you figure out where those places are at). See when you’re in the middle of a war zone,a mans skin color don’t mean shit. Ya take care of each other. When Dinks are popping up all around you,a mans skin color don’t mean shit. You got his back,he got yours. If you’re gonna start in on me for saying “Dink”,don’t. I was there,you weren’t . They had such an intense hate towards us,that they’re “worthless ass dinks” in my book. We’d go on vacation when daddy wasn’t overseas,to see his side of the family. His family is 100% Irish. “What’s up ya God damn mick “. “Not much ya potato eatin bastard”. That’s what daddy and his brothers be saying to each other. Now days that would be deemed,politically incorrect. Sorry,but you don’t know shit about racism. A side note in closing here. I believe that man can speak for himself. He don’t need you to spot for his ass,because you think someone’s insulting him. The man can come right to me,if he feels there’s a problem. They way you always singing his praises,or in this case thinkin you need to defend him, it’s almost like you trying to rack up brownie points. You need to get your facts straight about a person,before you open your piehole about them. You don’t know shit about me. There’s been “true” racists on here before. The way the talked about the Jews was nothing like the way they’re supposed to be talked about here.

                  Comment by Tim — February 16, 2016 @ 6:56 pm

                • No need to make such nasty comments, especially about Jim. It seemed grotesquely uncalled for to use the racial slurs against Jim or to even assume you know my motives for defending him or even anything about me.

                  I too was in the military 1972-1978. No, I didn’t see combat. Worked in a C5 squadron. Also our base received the bodies from the Jim Jones debacle.

                  But I didn’t nor do I act in a foul and profane manner to suggest lack of proper upbringing or consideration as you have done here.

                  Too much unrelated information.

                  I’m part German and believe you have a nasty slur for that too. But I believe you owe Jim Rizoli an apology for the unwarranted insult/slur against his people.

                  Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 02:56:06 +0000 To: dianekayking@hotmail.com

                  Comment by Diane King — February 17, 2016 @ 2:44 pm

                • You wanna call me racists,guess what,I’m gonna defend myself. You haven’t been bought up around real racists. It’s no fun. If I was being belligerent towards you,you’d know it. I’ve seen racists on this site . They ain’t the least bit nice. You don’t know what racial slurs are. I’ve used Kraut and Niponese here. You gonna say something about that or do you stand to gain nothing by it? Yeah. I refer to Vietnamese as “dinks”. Like I said you weren’t there. So don’t worry about me calling them that. I think Jimbo can stand on his own two feet. I’m sure he can defend himself. If he feels he’s been wronged,I’m sure he can say so. If this kinda bothers you,why didn’t you say something to wolf,when he told some guy to “kiss his ass”. You stood to gain nothing,that’s why. Remember this. Moma died a long time ago. She’s the only moma I ever had. So don’t go talking down to me like you’re my moma. Remember what the good book says. “If thine eye offends thee,pluck it out and cast it to the side “.

                  Comment by Tim — February 17, 2016 @ 3:24 pm

                • Merely encouraging you to stay on topic concerning the holocost lies.

                  Comment by Diane King — February 18, 2016 @ 7:17 am

                • Typical woman. Always changing the subject. You started the whole racial accusations.Look at stuff I’ve written here. It’s been about the genicide. When I first found this site,Jew haters entered my mind. It’s right opposite. My view on this subject has gone to where I question it now. I no longer eat the shit I’m spoon fed. This is an educational site. FG backs up everything with outside articles. I’ve seen Wolfman come up with some damn good arguments here. Sometimes I side with FG. Sometimes I side with Wolf. How much did we really learn about this topic in school. We didn’t learn dick about it. Now I’m finding out what we did learn,is not all together accurate. Don’t get all swool up here,but damn near every time you want to give someone further reading,you send people to Jimbos site. That’s only one opinion. There’s a lot of other resources out there. So please don’t tell me I’ve gotten off subject. It’s just somebody accuses me of something I’m not,it’s gonna put a weed up my ass. Nietzsche had the perfect quote for our lil dilemma. “You have your way,I have my way. As for the right,correct or only way,it does not exist “. That’s not verbatim,but it’s close.

                  Comment by Tim — February 18, 2016 @ 8:05 am

                • I’ve been at this for nearly 20 years Tim. I have seen and enjoyed a number of resources, such as ihr.org. Today, however, more and more, I find that the most recent information for these discussions seem to appear when Jim Rizoli’s name appears. So I just refer you to his site and his postings and his discussions. He too will refer you to these other revisionist sites, like Zundelsite.org and CODOH.com. Also there is the Adelite Institute in Australia as well. I believe their URL is adelaideInstitute.org.

                  Comment by Diane King — February 19, 2016 @ 7:36 am

                • Miss Dianne. Looking back on what I wrote you,I refered to you as a “typical woman”. That was a very sexist and demeaning thing for me to say to you. For that I apologize.

                  Comment by Tim — February 18, 2016 @ 8:09 am

                • Well thank you Tim. I appreciate that.

                  Comment by Diane King — February 19, 2016 @ 7:28 am

    • “Vee hef ways of dealing vis such people.”

      http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/LOL-GIF_1.gif?gs=a

      Comment by hermie — February 14, 2016 @ 10:06 am

    • Jett Rucker. I certainly do not want to deal with people like you.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 14, 2016 @ 10:55 am

      • You don’t have to “deal with” Jett Rucker, but you should read his articles on Inconvenient History website at http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/columnists/jett-rucker.php You will learn a lot from the Inconvenient History website.

        Comment by furtherglory — February 14, 2016 @ 11:08 am

        • FURTHERGLORY, JEFF RUCKER. I started reading articles. There is no tool for comments which obviously are not wanted on that site.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 16, 2016 @ 9:25 am

          • Comments are typically allowed on a BLOG, but not on a website. You are currently commenting on my BLOG. I also have a website, where I do not allow comments.

            I am not sure, but I don’t think that Inconvenient History is a blog. That is why there is no discussion and no comments.

            The word blog is short for weblog, which means a log on the web where someone writes almost every day. A blog is usually written by only one person. Inconvient History has a long list of writers. Someone has to monitor a blog to delete any really hateful comments.

            Comment by furtherglory — February 16, 2016 @ 9:51 am


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