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February 20, 2016

Treblinka as it looked in 1998 when I first saw it

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The entrance into Treblinka in 1998

The entrance into Treblinka camp in 1998

When I went to see what was left of the former Treblinka extermination camp in October 1998, the entrance road into the camp looked like an old logging road. When my tour guide and I finally arrived at the site of the Treblinka extermination camp, it looked as if we were on another old logging road, which went  through another dense forest. If someone had wandered into this area by mistake, that person might have thought that he had just entered a campground in a national forest.

Everything at the site of the former Treblinka camp was very quiet and serene with only the sound of a few birds.

The photo below shows the Bistro, which was not open when I was there in 1998.

Bistro inside the Treblinka camp

Bistro inside the Treblinka camp

Just beyond the Bistro, shown in the photo above, is a narrow parking lot and a small building where you can buy postcards or a three-page pamphlet printed in several languages. The car that is shown in the photo was the car that was driven by my tour guide.  We were the only visitors there.

Tourist center at Treblinka in 1998

Tourist center at Treblinka in 1998

The photo above shows a small building where tourists can buy postcards or a three-page pamphlet printed in several languages.

There is a covered arcade area open to the elements in front of the building, where huge blowups of several famous Holocaust photographs are hung, along with a poster with some information about Janusz Korczak, a Jewish director of an orphanage, who accompanied a group of orphans to the Treblinka camp, and died along with them.

Entrance into the Treblinka camp as it looked in 1998

Entrance into the Treblinka camp as it looked in 1998

The small pamphlet, which I purchased from the Visitor’s Center at Treblinka in 1998, says that “After the riot the camp was being slowly liquidated and in November of 1943 it was not existing already.”

By this time, the Germans were losing the war on the Eastern front and were in retreat. The Treblinka camp was completely dismantled and all the buildings were destroyed when it was liquidated, according to the Soviet Union whose soldiers discovered the site of the abandoned camp in 1944.

Among the few survivors of the camp were those who had escaped during the uprising and had joined the partisans hiding in the forests.

The photo below shows the forest, looking toward the east, on the left side of the cobblestone path as you enter. The line of stone markers delineate the original northern border of the camp. The area to the right of the stones is the former location of the barracks for the Treblinka SS staff members and the Ukrainian guards.

A line of stones marks the boundary of the former Treblinka camp

A line of stones marks the boundary of the former Treblinka camp which was in a forest

It was so quiet at the former Treblinka camp that the only sound that I could hear was my own footsteps on the cobblestone path. The peaceful setting, shown in the photos above, is near the site of the ashes of 870,000 Jews who were allegedly murdered here.

The map of the Treblinka camp has been turned so that the top of the map is East

The map of the Treblinka camp has been turned so that the top of the map is East

The map, that is shown above, shows the layout of the Treblinka camp as it is seen by visitors today who enter the area of the former camp along the route of the train tracks, shown at the bottom of the map.

Shown in gray on the left side near the bottom of the map is where the SS staff members and the Ukrainian guards lived. Around 1,000 Jewish workers lived in the barracks that are shown in black.

The fake train station where the clothing was stored is shown in blue; the undressing rooms for the Jews are also shown in blue. On the right side of the map, the burial sites are shown in brown.

The gas chambers are shown in red; the large red rectangle is where 10 new gas chambers were constructed near the original gas chamber. Today, a large monument is located in the spot where the original gas chamber once stood.

The pyres where the bodies were burned are indicated by the lines just above the red rectangle that denotes the gas chamber. The area where the barracks once stood is now covered with trees; the area at the top of the map on the right is where the symbolic cemetery is now located.

 

 

 

41 Comments »

  1. On a typical work day in Treblinka, the personnel who operated the camp consisted of between 20 to 25 SS men; 80 Ukrainian militia guards: and between 600 and 1,000 Jewish workers.

    To me, this is a very strange ratio of security guards to enforced workers inside an alleged extermination centre. In a highly secure death camp, would not the numbers of SS staff on duty be ten times that number – closer to 200-250. And why would the Nazis choose these Hiwis in the first place to act as guards inside a horrendous facility where over 15,000 human beings are being put to death on a weekly basis. Their commitment to such a murderous operation would be in doubt right from the get-go – there is no way that the SS could rely on the co-operation or loyalty of these renegade soldiers at all, let alone if and when a crisis or revolt took place inside the camp. Plus the fact that these Hiwis would be future witnesses to what went on there – so were the Nazis planning to kill all these men as well after the exterminations ceased. But there is no evidence that this occurred, in fact, quite the contrary, some of these guys resurfaced years later, long after the was over.

    If you were going to deploy Hiwis, then they would be placed at the outer perimeter – well out of sight and ear-shot of anything that was taking place inside the camp itself. Their primary job would be to prevent outsiders from encroaching on the site. But according to accounts they manned the watchtowers with firearms, and carried whips to assault the Jewish inmates as they worked. ( In Gita Sereny’s book, entitled “Into That Darkness”, these Hiwis were regularly carrying out transactions with the Jews, involving the exchange of food and items brought in from outside, with money that the inmates had purloined from the incoming transports – now there’s high security inside a death camp for you! ).

    It is alleged that the numbers of Jewish workers varied according to the workload as the numbers of trains arriving month by month changed. But if there were up to one thousand inmates inside the camp who knew that they were all going to be killed themselves afterwards, then is it really likely that the SS would deploy such a pathetically low number of their own personnel to run the place, and rely for security on these dubious Hiwi characters. Surely the revolt that finally did take place when the camp was running down, and there were no longer any transports arriving, would have occurred much earlier, because a thousand fit and healthy guys with nothing to lose, and fired-up with hatred and revenge, could easily overwhelm two dozen SS men plus any Hiwis who were willing to put their necks on the line on behalf of their Nazi superiors. ( I would suggest that at the first sign of any insurrection by up to a thousand hostile inmates, then these Ukrainians would either flee or throw down their weapons – but there we go!).

    No – the personnel ratio is all wrong for a “death camp”, but is absolutely perfect for a transit halt where you only need low-level security, minimal numbers of valuable SS men, and up to a thousand Jewish inmates who can help funnel the deportees through the totally harmless system that was employed at Treblinka.

    Comment by Talbot — February 21, 2016 @ 5:14 am

    • “On a typical work day in Treblinka, the personnel who operated the camp consisted of between 20 to 25 SS men; 80 Ukrainian militia guards: and between 600 and 1,000 Jewish workers.”

      Seems about right. I’ve actually seen higher numbers for the Hiwi guards,100-125, but that’s nothing to quibble about.

      “To me, this is a very strange ratio of security guards to enforced workers inside an alleged extermination centre. In a highly secure death camp, would not the numbers of SS staff on duty be ten times that number – closer to 200-250.”

      The idea was maximum bang for the buck. These smaller camps were ideal for this, plus during the war the SS suffered from manpower shortages just like everyone else.

      “And why would the Nazis choose these Hiwis in the first place to act as guards inside a horrendous facility where over 15,000 human beings are being put to death on a weekly basis. Their commitment to such a murderous operation would be in doubt right from the get-go – there is no way that the SS could rely on the co-operation or loyalty of these renegade soldiers at all, let alone if and when a crisis or revolt took place inside the camp.”

      The Hiwis included ethnic Germans that were likely to go along. These Hiwis also went through a training program at Trawniki, the Germans could see who was inclined to go with the program. Most important, however, these men came from German POW camps where most of the prisoners were starving.
      Given a choice between guard duty at a death camp or starving to death on principle I know what most people would choose. I would probably choose it.

      “Plus the fact that these Hiwis would be future witnesses to what went on there – so were the Nazis planning to kill all these men as well after the exterminations ceased.”

      Possibly. A more likely explanation is that these men would be complicit in crimes and would keep their mouths shut.

      “But there is no evidence that this occurred, in fact, quite the contrary, some of these guys resurfaced years later, long after the was over.”

      Not willingly.

      “If you were going to deploy Hiwis, then they would be placed at the outer perimeter – well out of sight and ear-shot of anything that was taking place inside the camp itself. Their primary job would be to prevent outsiders from encroaching on the site. But according to accounts they manned the watchtowers with firearms, and carried whips to assault the Jewish inmates as they worked. ( In Gita Sereny’s book, entitled “Into That Darkness”, these Hiwis were regularly carrying out transactions with the Jews, involving the exchange of food and items brought in from outside, with money that the inmates had purloined from the incoming transports – now there’s high security inside a death camp for you! ).”

      See above about being complicit in crimes. Plus many of these men were anti-Semitic themselves and were actively benefiting by taking money and other items.
      The Jews did take things to barter or bribe, that’s human nature. What the guards did was also human nature. The truth is so did the SS. Corruption was rife, not only in the death camps but regular concentration camps.

      “It is alleged that the numbers of Jewish workers varied according to the workload as the numbers of trains arriving month by month changed.”

      This is true, these men (and women) did face selections and the numbers raised and lowered accordingly.

      “But if there were up to one thousand inmates inside the camp who knew that they were all going to be killed themselves afterwards, then is it really likely that the SS would deploy such a pathetically low number of their own personnel to run the place, and rely for security on these dubious Hiwi characters.”

      Well, Talbot, the guards had guns. That sorta trumps a knife, a stone, a rake.
      Also, it’s difficult to suppress the desire to live longer, to think of the possibility of death coming in the future to almost certain death against heavily armed guards. Plus, and I find this very interesting, survivors spoke of an inferiority complex towards their SS overseers. They had to overcome that before they could revolt.

      “Surely the revolt that finally did take place when the camp was running down, and there were no longer any transports arriving, would have occurred much earlier, because a thousand fit and healthy guys with nothing to lose,”

      There were actually women among them. I don’t blame you for not knowing that.
      The SS selected some women among the transports to do domestic work, washing, sewing, etc. They thought women would be better at this than the men. This started after typhus epidemics hit the camps and the SS realized they needed to do a better job of keeping the camp and the clothes clean.
      I know some of the women survived the revolt at Sobibor but I don’t know if any survived at Treblinka.

      But back to your original point, this was a problem faced at the ghettos as well, whether or not to revolt. For example, the Warsaw Uprising took place after most of the older men were gone with the women and children. The younger men and women, unattached and wanting to revolt, only succeeded after the restraining element of their elders was gone.
      This was true in the death camps. There were priveleged elders and informers, hoping to survive by cooperation and collaboration. It was only after the camps began to wind down were the ones who wanted to fight were able to point out that the Germans would no longer have any use for them and would kill everyone involved.

      “and fired-up with hatred and revenge, could easily overwhelm two dozen SS men plus any Hiwis who were willing to put their necks on the line on behalf of their Nazi superiors. ( I would suggest that at the first sign of any insurrection by up to a thousand hostile inmates, then these Ukrainians would either flee or throw down their weapons – but there we go!).”

      The Hiwis were targeted by the Jews so of course they fought back.
      Also, remember that these inmates were not all housed together. They were separated by those who worked in the gas chamber/burial pits section of the camp (these prisoners were inevitably in much worse shape) and those who worked in the receiving area. The Treblinka revolt actually took place without the Jews in the burial area because there was no way to contact them.
      The SS did, in fact, distrust the Hiwis and with good reason. Some of them deserted and took their weapons with them. While off duty their weapons were locked up and while on duty they were issued limited ammunition. This actually helped the inmates during their revolt.

      “No – the personnel ratio is all wrong for a “death camp”, but is absolutely perfect for a transit halt where you only need low-level security, minimal numbers of valuable SS men, and up to a thousand Jewish inmates who can help funnel the deportees through the totally harmless system that was employed at Treblinka.”

      It’s too bad you weren’t there to better instruct them, Talbot.
      Ah, I love the whole “Transit Camp” theory. The SS lovingly passed the Jews through the transit camp, giving them a hot shower and a meal before sending them off……somewhere. Hey!!!!! They even had Jews waving at them at the camps!!!!!!!!
      It’s such a lovely picture, the compassionate SS, wanting to spare the Jews the heartache and hardship of the war by sending them to……..well, no one is quite sure.
      Or, perhaps the SS sent them on an extended road trip through the lovely Belorussian and Ukrainian countryside. Or, maybe they sent them to beautiful Leningrad.
      Either way I’m sure the Jews were initially grateful.
      It’s so WEIRD that the Jews turned against them after the war. After all, who in their right mind wouldn’t want to spend a lovely winter on the Volga?
      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — February 21, 2016 @ 8:46 am

      • Thanks Jeff – for quoting my contributions and then adding your own little thoughts afterwards. It means that my opinions and observations are published twice over. Brilliant – please keep up the good work.

        Comment by Talbot — February 21, 2016 @ 9:21 am

        • I like to go line by line to show where you went wrong.
          It helps when people read my comment.
          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — February 21, 2016 @ 9:58 am

      • Jeff mentions the Volga. I wonder if this is the same River Volga from where Stalin and his ruthless henchmen summarily deported the ‘Volga Germans’ en-masse to Siberia during the war. They too, like our precious Jews – who we have heard far too much about – were despatched in cattle trains and dumped in camps where conditions were poor and many died of sickness and diseases. Very few, if any, of these Germans ever returned to their former homes. The survivors were scattered far and wide across the Soviet Union – as, I suspect, were the bulk of the Polish Jews who transited through Treblinka.

        Comment by Talbot — February 22, 2016 @ 5:29 am

        • “Jeff mentions the Volga.”

          Why yes, I did.

          “I wonder if this is the same River Volga from where Stalin and his ruthless henchmen summarily deported the ‘Volga Germans’ en-masse to Siberia during the war.”

          Why yes, it was.
          There is some thought that Stalin’s action against the Volga Germans persuaded Hitler to start deporting German Jews to Polish ghettos (Hitler resisted doing so up to this point).

          “They too, like our precious Jews – who we have heard far too much about”

          Well, they were treated rather badly, Talbot.

          ” – were despatched in cattle trains and dumped in camps where conditions were poor and many died of sickness and diseases. Very few, if any, of these Germans ever returned to their former homes. The survivors were scattered far and wide across the Soviet Union”

          What happened to the Volga Germans was a tragedy and shows what a psychotic dick Stalin really was. However, I noticed that you didn’t say anything about the other ethnic groups Stalin deported, the Chechins, the Tatars, etc.
          Why is that? Don’t you think they need some attention as well?

          “– as, I suspect, were the bulk of the Polish Jews who transited through Treblinka.”

          I’ve asked you to prove it, Talbot.
          Transport schedules, dates, numbers of Jews, where the camps were, how they were supplied, that type of thing.
          I’d actually take any evidence you have, I’m willing to look at it.
          Take your time.
          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 7:29 am

          • “I’ve asked you to prove it, Talbot.”

            Well I’m asking you to prove that upwards of three quarters of a million people were exterminated at Treblinka. You could start off by telling us exactly how these people were killed. We require a detailed, technical report as to how many gas chambers existed there, their layout, size, and what type and size of engines or motors were used; exactly where they stood, the location of the fuel supply and how the fuel was fed into the motors – then how the gas was generated and distributed evenly into each chamber. We also need full details of the pumping and regulation system deployed in order to ensure that the gas circulated correctly.

            Did the gas pipes run through the chambers themselves, or along the walls outside or upon the roof above. How many apertures, openings or nozzles existed into each chamber in order to feed the gas in – were they embedded in the ceilings or in the walls. And what method was used to prevent the victims from using their hands and bodies to block the outflow.

            Was there a ventilation system deployed – we need a full description of this, and how long after the gassings were over was it switched on for before the sondercommandos could enter the chambers to begin pulling out the bodies. What state were the bodies in, and what colour was their flesh. How long did it take to remove the bodies from these chambers, and after they were cleared, were the chambers thoroughly cleaned with water or a chemical agent. How many sondercommandos were employed for this work.

            Did each chamber contain the same number of victims each time, or did they enter in an arbitrary manner. Was the timing of the gassing kept constant regardless of the numbers inside the chambers. What was the maximum number of victims that each chamber could hold. How many gassing sessions were there per day, and were the operations carried out on an ongoing 7 day a week basis. What was the duty and maintenance cycles of the generating engines, and how often was the system closed down for inspecting and cleaning the pipes, pumps, valves, manifolds etc.

            What were the names of the technical and engineering staff who ran and maintained these gas chambers, and what were their qualifications in motor engineering, and gas and air-flow technology. Lastly, how many SS personnel were on duty at the gas chambers, and how many Ukrainian guards were present.

            Now, we don’t want any glib replies, thank you very much, Jeff – we require an official report prepared by the Nuremburg investigators or the Polish government, providing comprehensive answers to all the above questions.

            Comment by Talbot — February 22, 2016 @ 9:57 am

            • More to come, Talbot.

              I hope you don’t mind I’m not typing this myself.

              http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_5120.html?m=1

              Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 10:38 am

            • I hope you don’t mind Wikipedia.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 10:41 am

              • OK, Jeff, I’ll read both sources. I don’t dismiss the “Holocaust Controversies” – but it is rather a combative and confrontational website for my tastes. Methinks, it rejoices too much in pouring scorn and rebutting Revisionists like Mattogno and Kues, instead of trying to establish the truth and opening up an honest debate.

                Comment by Talbot — February 22, 2016 @ 11:22 am

                • I actually agree with you regarding Holocaust Controversies, Talbot.
                  I don’t mind doing a little jabbing now and again and when it’s my turn I take it in the spirit it is offered.
                  I dislike insulting or vulgar words directed in a mean spirit. A little joking now and again doesn’t bother me otherwise.
                  However, I do give the bloggers at HC for the level of research they put in. They are also well known for the time and effort they put into studying and combating Holocaust denial.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 4:11 pm

            • http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/maps.html

              Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 10:50 am

              • In case you missed this from anothe post……

                I am reading now the book Treblinka Transit Camp or Extermination Camp…..
                You can down load it here… holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf
                I won’t debate the facts here Too much a waste of my time, but if you have any sense of reasoning left in you brains please read this and you will see that those who have painted the extermination picture of the Treblinka camps as being as such have lost it. Truly sick deranged and mentally unstable people. Honestly after reading this if you believe in the extermination version of what happened you need some good psychiatric help.
                Some names that come up that needed such help are…..Of course they are most likely dead and gone now….Good riddens.
                Vassili Grossman, Rachel Auerbach, Claude Lanzmann, Yitzhak Arad, just to name a few truly sick people with vivid imaginations, and there are many more just within the first forty pages….

                Some pretty wacko snipits…..

                1.Grossmans bullshit…
                In his edifying report Grossmann writes that there were three methods of mass killing: gassing, scalding with hot steam, and suffocation by evacuation of the death chamber by means of vacuum pumps. The number of Treblinka victims, postulated several times by Grossmann as three million, was also dropped at that time as being obviously all too incredible, and in the publications that followed writers contented themselves with significantly lower numbers of victims.

                2. Rachel Aurebach.. “The floor of the gas chambers was sloping and slippery. The first ones in would slip and fall, never to rise again. Those who followed would topple over them. The chamber was packed to the brim. The people were jammed together so closely that they pushed each other into a standing position. Some witnesses report that the people inside the chambers had to raise their arms and pull in their stomachs so that more could be fitted in. And then, when they stood pressed together, little children were slipped in above their heads like so many bundles.

                3. Yitzhak Arad….“At the entrance to the gas chambers stood two Ukrainians, Ivan Demianuk and Nikolai, one armed with an iron bar and the other with a sword, and they, too, urged the people on with blows to push their way in – 200-250 in a chamber of 16 square meters. […] There were instances when the gas chambers were opened too early and the victims were still alive; the doors would have to be closed again. The engines that produced and fed the gas into the chambers also broke down, causing stoppages in the extermination operation. Breakdowns of this nature also occurred when the victims were already inside the gas chambers, and they would then be held there for long hours until the engines had been repaired.”

                Under the unrealistic assumption that it was possible to pen up 200 to 250 people in a chamber sixteen square meters in size (and 2.6 m high73) without fresh air, the pitiable victims would certainly not have had to wait out “long hours” when there were engine breakdowns, since they would have suffocated a long time before that; one would therefore have been able to do without the engine.

                Just to name a few…..I couldn’t take it any more….LOL

                You will be greatly entertained with the most unbelievable stories that you could ever find.
                So if you care to learn the truth or just be happy to be entertained with the most unbelievable fiction that you would ever find the book is a great read either way.

                Jim Rizoli
                CCFIILE.COM
                RIZOLITV.COM

                Comment by jrizoli — February 22, 2016 @ 10:57 am

                • Neither Grossman or Auerbach were actually PRESENT during any of this process.
                  Neither was Arad. Auerbach was part of the commission studying German crimes in Poland. Both took witness statements from people who did not directly witness the killing operations. Some misunderstandings are of course understandable under those conditions.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 11:07 am

                • I think think dear old Vasily Grossman had been drinking too much Russian vodka when he arrived at Treblinka in 1944.

                  His initial report had all the hallmarks of some inebriated writer who had sat down with his bottles and allowed the effects of alcohol to overwhelm his critical faculties.

                  His flowery language; highly-emotional displays of outrage; over-wrought sentiments; and stern, righteous judgements, literally cascaded from out of his intoxicated mind. But most people, once they’d sobered up and got over their hangover, would gaze down in horror at what they had written and immediately tear up the script. But I’ve no doubt he received a telegram from his propaganda bosses in Moscow, telling him; “We love all this kind of crap, Comrade Grossman, can you send a copy through to us, so that we can broadcast it to the world.”

                  Comment by Talbot — February 22, 2016 @ 11:45 am

                • Here is Rachels Auerbachs bad dream…..page 24 Treblinka by Gurgen Graf, and Carlo Mattogno

                  Rachel Auerbach In 1946, the Polish Jewess Rachel Auerbach, who had not been interned in Treblinka herself but had supposedly received her information from former inmates, wrote a work in the Yiddish language about the camp, which was published in 1979 in English by Alexander Donat under the title In the Fields of Treblinka.29 Auerbach attacked Grossmann on the basis of the number of three million victims claimed by him. She gives the number of victims with precision as 1,074,000 and writes: “Such places as Treblinka, with their huge mass graves, do not need that sort of odd local patriotism which is expressed by exaggerating the number of victims in order to depict the monstrosity of the mass murders committed there. Believe me, over a million people killed in the course of one year in one little place is a million times more than a million human brains could grasp. And even half a million would be much more than enough.” (p. 55) This praiseworthy refusal to indulge in any kind of exaggeration aside, the authoress reports, among other things, the following concerning Treblinka: “The floor of the gas chambers was sloping and slippery. The first ones in would slip and fall, never to rise again. Those who followed would topple over them. The chamber was packed to the brim. The people were jammed together so closely that they pushed each other into a standing position. Some witnesses report that the people inside the chambers had to raise their arms and pull in their stomachs so that more could be fitted in. And then, when they stood pressed together, little children were slipped in above their heads like so many bundles.

                  Gas was costly and therefore had to be used economically. At last, the doors were slammed shut. The shift was ready to die. The motor, installed in a workshop near the bathhouse, could be started now. First, a suction pump was brought into play to draw the pure air from the chamber. After that, the pipes to the reservoir of exhaust gas from the motor could be opened. ‘A few minutes later,’ Jews who had worked in that part of the camp recalled, ‘we would hear terrible screams from that building.’ The screams of human pain, terror and despair. At the last moment, it seems, when the pumps started to suck out breathable air, all self-control broke, and there was an outbreak of collective hysteria inside the gas chamber. Later… in due time… all was quiet again… Perhaps 25 to 45 minutes later, the chutes on the other side could be opened and the corpses tumbled out. The bodies were naked; some of them were white, others were blue and bloated. [p. 35f…] Therefore, in Treblinka as in other places, children were often thrown live into the fire, or into the regular mass grave. The most important consideration was to conserve bullets or gas whenever possible. It was also believed that children did not die as easily and quickly from a bullet or from gas as adults did. Doctors had given some thought to this matter, and they had concluded that children have better circulation because their blood vessels were not yet hardened.” (p. 38f.)

                  Auerbach surprises her readers with trail-blazing scientific findings such as the discovery that blood “was found to be a first-class combustion material” (p. 38), and imparts the information that the gassing of many thousands of Jews per day was conducted by “30 to 40 SS-men, and 200 to 300 Ukrainian guards,”30 by which she provides a record not especially flattering to her coreligionists. Concerning the artistic events and other diversions in Treblinka, she has the following to say: “In order to enliven the monotony of their murderous work, the Germans installed at Treblinka a Jewish orchestra. This was in keeping with the established procedure in other camps. This orchestra had a twofold purpose: first, to drown out, as much as that was possible, the screams and moans of the people being driven to their death in the gas chambers; the second, to provide musical entertainment for the camp staff, who represented two music-loving nations – Germany and the Ukraine! A band was needed also for the frequent entertainments, which were arranged here. In time, a choir was organized, and there were even amateur theater performances, but unfortunately the outbreak of the uprising frustrated the great plans for the advancement of culture and art, which had been concocted for Treblinka. [p. 44…] It is said that when Himmler visited Treblinka late in February, 1943 a special ‘attraction’ should be prepared for him: a party of young women, who had been specially selected for this purpose so that the supreme SS and police chief of the Reich could take aesthetic pleasure in looking at their nude bodies as they demonstrated the workings of the camp, being driven into the ‘bathhouse’ and then dumped out as corpses… As the Italian saying goes: ‘Se non è vero, è ben trovato.’” (p. 48) The last sentence means: “Even if it’s not true, it’s well invented.” This applies in full compass to Rachel Auerbach’s ‘factual report’ about Treblinka.

                  My goodness….The HoloHuxsters on this site must love this……

                  Jim Rizoli
                  CCFIILE.COM
                  RIZOLITV.COM

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 22, 2016 @ 11:54 am

                • You wrote:
                  “It is said that when Himmler visited Treblinka late in February, 1943 a special ‘attraction’ should be prepared for him: a party of young women, who had been specially selected for this purpose so that the supreme SS and police chief of the Reich could take aesthetic pleasure in looking at their nude bodies as they demonstrated the workings of the camp, being driven into the ‘bathhouse’ and then dumped out as corpses…”

                  I don’t think that this happened. Himmler was a prude, as I wrote in this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/letters-written-by-heinrich-himmler-to-his-family-are-being-published-in-a-german-newspaper/

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 22, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

                • The following gives us a flavour of Vasily Grossman’s arrival account at Treblinka – probably as drunk as a skunk!

                  “We enter the camp, we tread the soil of Treblinka. The lupine pods crack as they are touched with a slight tingling and millions of seeds are spread on the ground. The noise they are falling and the pods are opening that are based in a sad, sweet melody, as if we came from the depths of the earth – far, wide and melancholy – the death knell of small bells. The land undulates beneath the feet, soft and greasy as if it had been sprinkled with flaxseed oil – earth bottomless Treblinka, surging like a sea, that wilderness surrounded with barbed wire has engulfed more human lives than all oceans and seas all over the globe since the human race exists.”

                  Now, these lupins that Comrade Grossman mentions are always brought up in stories about Treblinka – they are like a buzz-word that goes swirling around the ether. Apparently the Germans allegedly planted lupins there after they dismantled the camp. But what does it matter what they planted – who cares if it was azaleas, primroses, dandylions or stinging-nettles. But Vasily Grossman manages to wring out every drop of emotion from these very ordinary lupins. Even their pods and seeds seem to cry out in tears for the lost victims of the Nazi terror – Oh please!.

                  All this reminds me of an episode in Monty Python’s Flying Circus on TV, years ago, where an 18th century highwayman way-lays travellers. He is not interested in taking their money and valuables, but tells them to “Stand and Deliver – hand me over all your lupins.”

                  Comment by Talbot — February 22, 2016 @ 12:29 pm

                • Alexander Donat said
                  More Holohuckster fodder. LOL

                  “When corpses of pregnant women were cremated, their bellies would
                  burst open. The fetus would be exposed and could be seen burning inside
                  the mother’s womb.”
                  In a review that appeared in 1981 in the Journal of Historical Review,
                  Horst Kehl had this to say about Donat’s anthology:64
                  “If it is impossible to tear a child in half; […] if it is impossible to cram people into half a square foot each; if it is impossible to use women as kin-
                  dling and scoop up buckets of human fat; if it is impossible to leap over a 9
                  foot high fence; just what other parts of this saga are true?”

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 22, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

                • I like Monty Python.
                  Holy Grail is a favorite, but I also liked Life of Brian.
                  Netflix used to stream Monty Python but they don’t anymore.
                  I digress, sorry.
                  Flowery language aside, Auerbach’s and Grossman’s initial view on what they found at the remnants of Treblinka.
                  Also, Auerbach criticized Grossman’s total amount of dead and was not far off on her own total, 1 million.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 4:28 pm

                • Yitzhak Arad….“At the entrance to the gas chambers stood two Ukrainians, Ivan Demianuk and Nikolai, one armed with an iron bar and the other with a sword, and they, too, urged the people on with blows to push their way in – 200-250 in a chamber of 16 square meters…”

                  You couldn’t make this sort of stuff up, could you – “Ivan The Terrible” and “Nikolai the ‘Orrible” standing at the entrance to a gas chamber, one carrying an iron bar and the other a sword. And apparently there was a big Star of David above the entrance, so I don’t know what the poor Jews thought about this crazy scene as they headed naked into the building.

                  Comment by Talbot — February 22, 2016 @ 12:52 pm

                • We know more about the Treblinka camp commandant’s dog than we do about how 850,000 Jews were allegedly “exterminated” there.

                  By typing in ‘KURT FRANZ DOG BARRY’ on Google you will find a couple of websites describing the dog – along with several photos. Barry was a wonderful old St Bernard who wandered freely around the camp. Naturally the holohoaxers tried to claim that the commandant, Kurt Franz, trained Barry to attack and bite the buttocks and testicles of the inmates. But really, how could anyone train a gentle, good-hearted breed of dog such as this to attack anyone.

                  The St Bernard is a dog which is well know for Alpine rescue – you tie a small barrel of brandy around its neck, and off it goes to find poor souls lost in the mountains. Plus the fact, that the shape of its snout and jaw preclude it from taking bites out of human flesh.

                  Good old Barry – he helped keep the Jews in order while they were taking a shower and being fumigated, before being sent on to labour camps elsewhere. I hope Barry took sizeable chunks out of the buttocks of some of these sinister old Talmudic Rabbis for his breakfast each morning as they arrived from the trains. And I wonder if he tore off their testicles as well, and dropped them into his bowl, in order to be devoured later for his dinner that evening.

                  You will all be pleased to know that Barry survived the war and went into well deserved retirement under a new owner. Now, is that not a genuine heart-warming story with a happy ending, which will bring joy and good cheer to animal lovers, as well as holocaust believers and deniers everywhere?

                  Comment by Talbot — February 22, 2016 @ 1:27 pm

                • I bet you we can find the grave of the camp dog yet we can’t find the graves and the bones of the 850000 to a million who are said to have been murdered there. Pretty funny!
                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — February 22, 2016 @ 1:48 pm

                • I wrote about Kurt Franz and his dog named Barry on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/kurt-franz-the-last-commandant-of-the-treblinka-extermination-camp/

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 22, 2016 @ 4:03 pm

                • “just be happy to be entertained with the most unbelievable fiction that you would ever find the book is a great read either way.”

                  Hey!!!! We agree on something!!! The Holocaust Handbooks are fiction!!!!!!!

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 1:54 pm

            • The below is a rather fascinating paper I just found regarding the extermination camps and Nuremberg.
              I’m going to read more of it when I have time.

              http://www.scriptiebank.be/sites/default/files/webform/scriptie/Thesis3.pdf

              Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 11:02 am

              • Jeff I take it you in for the fiction read of Treblinka and not the TRUTH?
                Many papers accepted at Nuremberg were later proven false,forged, or just plain nonsense….. so I wouldn’t put much faith in anything that came out of that trial.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — February 22, 2016 @ 11:31 am

                • Jim, the paper I glanced through actually makes a point that very little information regarding the OR camps made it to the IMT. Only Treblinka was brought up.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 1:56 pm

              • Jeff…..I looked at the maps…..LOL The people supplying their memorable plans don’t even agree with each other….LOL
                Maybe the layout for the moon would of fit nicely in there.
                I’m sure this testimony would stand up in a court of law….especially where the Three Stooges were jurors….
                Just plain silly!
                More fodder for the HoloHuxsters on this site.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — February 22, 2016 @ 11:58 am

                • Sorry, Jim.
                  The SS didn’t give guided tours or fly the inmates over the camp like the Grand Canyon.
                  I understand the discrepancy. It’s only Holocaust deniers that expect the inmates to know every nook and cranny, plus the complete blue prints for each camp.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 1:02 pm

  2. Another horror Disneyland thay does not exist In their mind yed in the fiction of the books yes but not in reality of life.

    Jim Rizoli

    Comment by jrizoli — February 20, 2016 @ 1:43 pm

    • Jim here’s a link for you and Diane – since you don’t want to read the links I send you, there are lots of pictures:

      http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/photographic-documentation-of-nazi.html

      Comment by srebrenica — February 20, 2016 @ 2:20 pm

      • I just looked at that link to show all the pictures oy vey! Are you kidding me! You’re showing me pictures that have no significance except that they are people dead, ok how did they die? That is the question please show me one of these bodies that were killed with Zyklon B. Did they do forensics on these bodies to come up with what kill these people ? Show me how they died we know that there are people that died we know that but you can’t just put a picture up saying that they were exterminated by the Germans when these people could have died of natural causes makes no sense at all its disingenuous at best to use pictures like this you just say whatever you want about these pictures but you don’t even tell us how these people died except they dead….. big deal.
        If this was the case that had to go to court based on those pictures do you think you coild get a Conviction? Don’t think so you would need more proof than just showing a picture of someone dead.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — February 20, 2016 @ 6:35 pm

      • What? How could anybody expect to find dead bodies on a continent where a world war (with its contingent of various titanic war-linked epidemics) had just raged for several years, especially in areas where the NKVD had operated for decades? Amazing discoveries!!😮

        Comment by hermie — February 20, 2016 @ 10:13 pm

    • Jim, there’s practically nothing there….why would you call it a Disneyland?

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — February 20, 2016 @ 6:11 pm

      • Jeff… you are right there’s not much to look at because nothing happened there but it sure did happen in their mind a lot of people have developed some weird things in their minds that happened there so in my mind in my research it was a transit camp and their mind it was a place where the whole population of San Francisco went through it and were exterminated and nothing was left to show gor it. You cannot find anything left over from that so called extermination. Hard to believe that almost a million people can be killed if you cannot find one trace of anything linked to an extermination. Sure you might find a couple bodies here and there that died of natural causes but other than that you will not find a real life homicidal gas chamber of any sort because they didn’t exist.
        Oh did I mention 120 foot high mountain of clothing they said was there. Really no amount of clothes 120 feet high existed..do you know what you would need just to get up there to the top to put them there. None of their equipment could reach that high this was just pure imagination.
        Remember Jeff you have to prove to us that something happened here we don’t have to prove anything you have to show us. Please show us the remnants of any of these things that they are speaking about. Then on top of it all in this memorial they put all these stones there why the reason is simple they all want anyone digging in that area because if they started thinking that they would find nothing. There’s been all sorts of excavations there nothing has been found of any consequence they’ve done sound laid out on the ground to see if there was any disturbances on the ground and everything is just like it was from the beginning of time.

        Jim Rizoli

        Comment by jrizoli — February 20, 2016 @ 6:26 pm

        • “Remember Jeff you have to prove to us that something happened here we don’t have to prove anything you have to show us.”

          No, Jim.
          Yours is the contrary opinion.
          We’ve shown you the evidence.
          You say there is no Holocaust.
          Fine.
          Prove it.
          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — February 20, 2016 @ 7:43 pm

          • I think Jim and the rest of us have proven (in various ways) the holocaust and all it’s subtopics are bogus and truly the biggest ‘hoax of the 20th century”. But lest you missed the bazillion things we’ve posted, try this in a nutshell presentation:

            Comment by Diane King — February 22, 2016 @ 3:14 pm

            • No, you really didn’t.
              However, you can keep trying. I don’t mind.
              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — February 22, 2016 @ 4:20 pm

  3. Heren too. The Polish Goverment turned Treblinka place of horror in a tourist center.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — February 20, 2016 @ 1:11 pm

    • SS Killer Recruited By The CIA-Given Jewish Identity
      By Alan Hall
      12-14-00
      The secret life of a former Nazi war criminal, who spied for America’s Central Intelligence Agency after the Second World War in return for a fake Jewish identity, was disclosed [on German TV.sic] The story of how Günter Reinemer, an S.S. lieutenant who commanded death squads at the Treblinka concentration camp, escaped the death penalty because of the CIA is told in a documentary which [was screened sic] in Germany. Reinemer was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Jews at Treblinka, the first concentration camp in Poland. More than a million Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto were killed at Treblinka. Given the identity Hans-Georg Wagner by the CIA, he later married a Jewish woman,[after he was circumcised sic] lived in Israel and was buried in a Jewish cemetery[ in Venezuela sic]. His story might have been buried with him had he not felt the need to confess in 1988, shortly before he apparently committed suicide. His statements form the basis of the documentary Wagner’s Confession.The role of the American intelligence service in the days after the war has still to be fully explained. With the Third Reich vanquished, America sensed that it needed every ally available to fight the coming Cold War and was not too particular about its recruits. The CIA recruited Nazi scientists and much smaller fry, such as Reinemer, by offering the choice: work for the US or almost certainly forfeit your life at a war crimes tribunal.

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — February 20, 2016 @ 2:20 pm


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