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February 29, 2016

What really happened to the Hungarian Jews?

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , , , , , — furtherglory @ 11:43 am

One of the regular readers of my blog wrote this in a comment:

But, they [the Hungarian Jews] had to be registered in the camps that received them because the camp commanders had to account for that labor force.

So, someone, give me a list of camps where these Jews were sent [after they arrived at Auschwitz-Birkean].

My photo of the gate into the Dachau camp

My photo of the gate into the Dachau camp

Dachau was one of the camps to which Jews were sent from Auschwitz-Birkenau.

I have explained many times that Auschwitz-Birkenau was a TRANSIT camp, as well as a concentration camp, where Jews were imprisoned.

The story of Iby Knill, a Jewish woman who was sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau, explains it. According to Iby Knill, “The shower unit and the gas chamber looked the same. They had been built that way, so we never knew if we were to be gassed or just showered.”

In her lectures to students, about the Holocaust, Iby Knill frequently talks about the infamous Dr. Josef Mengele, whose experiments in the name of medical science have earned him the nick name, Angel of Death.  Iby tells students that “We lined up and he [Dr. Mengele] would walk in front of us, picking out the weakest. Their fate was the gas chambers.”

Iby Knill also tells students about the cramped, inhuman conditions at Auschwitz-Birkenau, the incredible hunger and thirst, and worst of all, the scraps of gray, latherless soap made from human ashes, and the constant fear of extermination in the gas chamber.

According to her story, Iby was able to leave the Auscwitz-Birkenau death camp by volunteering to go to the Lippstadt labour camp, a sub-camp of the Buchenwald concentration camp, where she worked in the hospital unit. On Easter Sunday, 1945, while on a death march to the main Buchenwald camp, she was freed by Allied Forces.

Lily Ebert is another Holocaust survivor whose story is frequently told.

The following information about Lily Ebert is from an article by Ross Lydall in the London Evening Standard on January 26, 2010:

At the age of 14, Lily Ebert was taken from the Hungarian town of Bonybad to Birkenau in a packed cattle car, along with her mother, brother and three sisters. Lily was registered upon arrival in July 1944 and tattooed with the number A-10572, even though she was below the age of 15 and could have been sent directly to the gas chamber.  After about four months at Birkenau, Lily and her three sisters were transferred to an ammunition factory near Leipzig, Germany, which was a sub-camp of the Buchenwald concentration camp.

According to records kept by the Germans at the Dachau concentration camp, between June 18, 1944 and March 9, 1945, a total of 28,838 Hungarian Jews were sent from Auschwitz-Birkenau to Dachau and then transferred to Landsberg am Lech to work on construction of underground factories in the eleven Kaufering sub-camps of Dachau.

Nerin E. Gun was a Turkish journalist, who was imprisoned at Dachau in 1944. His job was to take down the names and vital information from Hungarian Jewish women who were supposedly on their way to be gassed in the Dachau gas chamber.

In his book entitled The Day of the Americans, published in 1966, Gun wrote the following regarding his work at Dachau:

I belonged to the team of prisoners in charge of sorting the pitiful herds of Hungarian Jewesses who were being directed to the gas chambers. My role was an insignificant one: I asked questions in Hungarian and entered the answers in German in a huge ledger. The administration of the camp was meticulous. It wanted a record of the name, address, weight, age, profession, school certificates, and so on, of all these women who in a few minutes were to be turned into corpses. I was not allowed in the crematorium, but I knew from the others what went on in there.

Some of the Jews at Dachau, who had been selected for slave labor, were sent to the Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria and its sub-camps where they worked in German aircraft factories.

Other Jews at Dachau were sent to the Stutthof camp near Danzig, according to Martin Gilbert, who wrote the following about this in his book entitled Holocaust:

Begin quote:

Some of the Jews who were selected, at Dachau, for slave labor, were sent to the Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria and its sub-camps where they worked in German aircraft factories.

End quote

Others were sent, from Dachau, to the Stutthof camp near Danzig, according to Martin Gilbert, who wrote the following in his book entitled Holocaust:

Begin quote

On June 17 Veesenmayer telegraphed to Berlin that 340,142 Hungarian Jews had now been deported. A few were relatively fortunate to be selected for the barracks, or even moved out altogether to factories and camps in Germany. On June 19 some 500 Jews, and on June 22 a thousand, were sent to work in factories in the Munich area.

[…] Ten days later, the first Jews, 2500 women, were deported from Birkenau to Stutthof concentration camp. From Stutthof, they were sent to several hundred factories in the Baltic region. But most Jews sent to Birkenau continued to be gassed.

End quote

I also wrote about the new born babies at Dachau, whose mothers were Hungarian Jews, on this blog post:  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/new-born-babies-at-dachau/

78 Comments »

  1. The holocaust proponents allege that the “gas chambers” in Krema 2 and Krema 3 at Birkenau could each hold a maximum of 2.500 people. Well, let’s consider an example of – say – 1,500 souls in a single session. ( and you really would have to gas around this number of people per session in order to achieve that estimated total figure of 1.1 million deaths ). I would argue that even before any Zyklon B had been introduced into the chambers then the whole process would have broken down irretrievably. The main reason is that both the “undressing chambers”, and the “gas chambers” are just not physically large enough to accommodate this number of people.

    The SS would start the process rolling by assembling 1,500 Jews who had arrived off the trains on the ramp among the birch trees at the back of Krema 2. Yes, OK, that would be easy enough to organise ( although it must be considered a strangely designed “extermination facility” to allow the doomed victims to pass right round to the back of it in order to enter the building). But then the problems start to mount, because the undressing chamber could not possibly handle this number of people in one fair swoop. In fact, the SS would have to send the Jews or Gypsies in 10 batches of 150 each, not only to ensure the process runs smoothly, but to enable the victims to have enough space to enable them to dis-robe and deposit their shoes and clothes. These items would then have to be collected by the sondercommando teams and taken away to the “Canada” section, before the next batch of 150 could arrive.

    But would not the victims waiting among the birch trees become restless and fearful after 5 or 6 batches had vanished into the facility and had not re-emerged from the shower that they were told that they were all going to take – although their clothing was being removed. The purpose of the tall, ominous looking chimney would then become evident to eveyrone. Thus, how could the SS maintain the pretence of a shower any more. People would be panicking and starting to flee the scene, while others would be wailing and hugging one another – petrified with mortal fear. How could the SS guards then divide the victims into orderly batches in such an environment. The use of ferocious dogs, whips and firearms would probably have to be deployed – but my goodness, what a shambles this would be as they tried to force the reluctant victims down the steps into the undressing chamber. And once there – would they refuse to get undressed, causing more skirmishes and violence to break out.

    Meanwhile, what would be happening inside the small compact “gas chamber” as the naked Jews became increasingly unnerved by batch after batch of their fellow victims entering the chamber and making the available space far too cramped for “taking an innocent shower”. So, they too, would start to rebel by yelling out and pushing towards the door, causing the weaker ones to stumble and fall. We are told that the SS guard then drew his pistol and fired point-blank into the crowd to force them to withdraw to the back of the chamber. But this is not plausible. Yes, it would have an immediate effect of driving people back, but those now being cramped up towards the rear would struggle with all their might to prevent themselves being crushed. This would result in everyone inside the chamber being forced forward, causing those in front to slip and fall down, and others to topple over them – blocking the entrance to the chamber. What mayhem this would be, in a process that is supposed to be orderly, timely and effective. And in addition, what would the sondercommandos do. Would they help the SS guards restore order, or join in the bun-fight themselves.

    I would suggest, therefore, that long before even 1,000 victims had entered these “gas chambers”, then the entire madness would have descended into total chaos and confusion.

    Comment by Talbot — March 2, 2016 @ 10:28 am

  2. furtherglory wrote: ” The story of Iby Knill, a Jewish woman who was sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau, explains it. According to Iby Knill, “The shower unit and the gas chamber looked the same. They had been built that way, so we never knew if we were to be gassed or just showered.” ”

    Recent update of the old oft-repeated & physically-impossible narrative “we never knew if gas or water was going to come out of the shower heads.”

    furtherglory wrote: “According to her story, Iby was able to leave the Auscwitz-Birkenau death camp by volunteering to go to the Lippstadt labour camp, a sub-camp of the Buchenwald concentration camp”

    The Lippstadt labour camp… ;-o😮😮

    Should be reopened today and used for the imprisonment of all ‘Holocaust deniers’. First inmate: David Irving. A camp where ‘Holocaust deniers’ would be forced to have sex with Deborah Lipstadt on a regular basis, how deterrent!! Probably the ultimate weapon against ‘Holocaust denial’…😉

    Comment by hermie — February 29, 2016 @ 7:48 pm

    • hermie. I would like to see Debora Lipstadt and David Irving married with you and schlageter as the best men, jim rizoli caring the public relation – news report – of ceremony and Furtherglory to deliver a speech at a the banquet. Then the couple should then pay visits at the graves of Hanna Arendt, Martin Heidegger, Stefen Wise and Nahum Goldmann.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 1, 2016 @ 12:38 am

      • Awww thanks for thinking of me! I have a dream too…it involves the use of 5 neutron bombs, 1 each for tel aviv, Miami, NYC, L.A., and DC…the result should end anti Semitism for all future generations and bring peace to mankind

        Comment by Schlageter — March 1, 2016 @ 3:03 am

        • “I have a dream too…it involves the use of 5 neutron bombs, 1 each for tel aviv, Miami, NYC, L.A., and DC…the result should end anti Semitism for all future generations and bring peace to mankind”

          Such a quaint apocalyptic fantasy!!!!

          I doubt it would bring YOU peace, Schlageter.

          After all, even with all the Jews on earth reduced to ashes there would still be dykes, queers, blacks and Muslims to torment you.

          Remind me again, why are you a Holocaust denier?

          It seems to me you should be praising old Adolph for for what he tried to do, kill all the Jews.
          If anything, I think you would be upset that the Nazis failed to kill them all.

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 1, 2016 @ 7:06 am

        • Schlageter wrote: “I have a dream too…it involves the use of 5 neutron bombs, 1 each for tel aviv, Miami, NYC, L.A., and DC”

          I’m on board.

          May I suggest we go to six, for London?😉

          Schlageter wrote: “the result should end anti Semitism for all future generations”

          Reminds me what a South African anti-Zionist Holocaust believer said some time ago…


          Rene Smit, ANC, South Africa, 2014

          Schlageter wrote: “and bring peace to mankind”

          And a hard on to me.😮

          Comment by hermie — March 1, 2016 @ 1:20 pm

          • “Schlageter wrote: “and bring peace to mankind”

            “And a hard on to me. :-o”

            Wow, that’s an odd thing to float someone’s boat……but, if you need to you can probably find films of nuclear/hydrogen bombs exploding on the Internet.

            Jeff

            Comment by Jeff K. — March 1, 2016 @ 1:47 pm

            • I meant ‘great joy’.when I said ‘hard on’.

              Comment by hermie — March 2, 2016 @ 2:50 pm

              • Hermie, I’m not JUDGING you.

                Look, it’s like John Lennon said, “Whatever gets you through the night.”

                I thought big-breasted, empty-headed, blonde chicks wearing swastikas were more your thing. But, hey, it’s like my black wife says, “Them white boys do like some of the freakiest shit.”

                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — March 2, 2016 @ 4:36 pm

              • Jeff wrote: “Hermie, I’m not JUDGING you.”

                You have to take my own cultural background into account. In French (my first language), a ‘hard on’ can refer to any kind of great joy, not necessarily a sex-related one. Sometimes literal translations work to be properly understood. Sometimes they don’t.

                Jeff wrote: “I thought big-breasted, empty-headed, blonde chicks wearing swastikas were more your thing. But, hey, it’s like my black wife says”

                I won’t argue with you on that matter. You have a black wife. So you’re the expert on empty-headed women after all…😉

                Just to add a glimpse of my own tastes: I’m very much into women with a very pale skin. For me, pallor is the apex of female beauty. And I don’t care at all about a woman’s political affinities. I talk about politics with women only when I want to have a good laugh. Always such a flood of nonsense. So funny…

                Comment by hermie — March 3, 2016 @ 3:58 am

                • “You have to take my own cultural background into account. In French (my first language), a ‘hard on’ can refer to any kind of great joy, not necessarily a sex-related one. Sometimes literal translations work to be properly understood. Sometimes they don’t.”

                  Uh-huh. Sure.
                  Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink.

                  😜

                  “Jeff wrote: “I thought big-breasted, empty-headed, blonde chicks wearing swastikas were more your thing. But, hey, it’s like my black wife says”

                  I won’t argue with you on that matter. You have a black wife. So you’re the expert on empty-headed women after all… ;-)”

                  What can I say.
                  She loves hip-hop, I love rock music.
                  Needless to say we don’t listen to the radio together.
                  She’s actually one of the smartest women I’ve ever met.

                  “Just to add a glimpse of my own tastes: I’m very much into women with a very pale skin. For me, pallor is the apex of female beauty.”

                  Corpses are really pale.
                  Wow, you are such a freak.

                  I’m kidding, of course.
                  Pale skin is very prized among Asians.

                  “And I don’t care at all about a woman’s political affinities. I talk about politics with women only when I want to have a good laugh. Always such a flood of nonsense. So funny…”

                  Do you laugh in front of them? I’m sure they really appreciate that.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 3, 2016 @ 4:13 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Uh-huh. Sure. Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. 😜”

                  What does this mean? That you’re not convinced by my explanation?

                  I don’t need to look very far for an example of I what I said. I had to google ‘to float someone’s boat’ in order to be sure of what you meant exactly. I could guess the meaning of that expression but I had to google it to be sure of its exact meaning. I wouldn’t have needed to check it out if you had said ‘to be someone’s cup of tea’ instead, because this expression exists as such in French (‘être la tasse de thé de quelqu’un’).

                  Jeff wrote: “She’s actually one of the smartest women I’ve ever met.”

                  No need to go into a debate on racial differences on here. We wouldn’t agree with each other anyway.

                  Jeff wrote: “Corpses are really pale. Wow, you are such a freak. I’m kidding, of course.”

                  Very funny. I wasn’t expecting a joke about necrophilia.

                  Jeff wrote: “Pale skin is very prized among Asians.”

                  Indeed. And it used to be very prized among Europeans too.

                  I really dislike the current tanning fashion in Western countries. So many White girls turned by that fashion into ugly unfuckable Brown-skinned monsters…😮

                  Jeff wrote: “Do you laugh in front of them? I’m sure they really appreciate that.”

                  Only on the inside. A discreet smile on the outside at most.

                  Comment by hermie — March 3, 2016 @ 4:47 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Uh-huh. Sure. Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. 😜”

                  “What does this mean? That you’re not convinced by my explanation?”

                  I’m teasing you.

                  “I don’t need to look very far for an example of I what I said. I had to google ‘to float someone’s boat’ in order to be sure of what you meant exactly. I could guess the meaning of that expression but I had to google it to be sure of its exact meaning. I wouldn’t have needed to check it out if you had said ‘to be someone’s cup of tea’ instead, because this expression exists as such in French (‘être la tasse de thé de quelqu’un’).”

                  Again, I was teasing.
                  Actually, I find this fascinating. Your English is very good (I really mean that, no teasing. I had no idea you were not a native speaker).
                  It goes to show the subtle differences when trying to speak or write a foreign language.

                  Jeff wrote: “She’s actually one of the smartest women I’ve ever met.”

                  “No need to go into a debate on racial differences on here. We wouldn’t agree with each other anyway.”

                  I actually wanted to see what your, or anyone’s reaction, to me saying that I have a black wife. She’s not actually black, she’s as white as me (she does have some Native American heritage but it is very minute).
                  I’m not joking about not listening to the radio together.
                  She actually listens to country music, which I loath.
                  Of course, she can’t stand rock music so I guess we are even.

                  Jeff wrote: “Corpses are really pale. Wow, you are such a freak. I’m kidding, of course.”

                  “Very funny. I wasn’t expecting a joke about necrophilia.”

                  I’m in a rather whimsical mood this morning.

                  Jeff wrote: “Pale skin is very prized among Asians.”

                  “Indeed. And it used to be very prized among Europeans too.

                  I really dislike the current tanning fashion in Western countries. So many White girls turned by that fashion into ugly unfuckable Brown-skinned monsters… :-o”

                  I completely agree with you.
                  There is something about pretty girls with soft white skin.
                  I don’t mind a bit of a natural tan but it seems to me that tanning booths turn girls into leathery skinned monsters. These girls accentuate the problem by dyeing their hair into an unnatural white-blonde that makes them look like burnt Barbie dolls.

                  Jeff wrote: “Do you laugh in front of them? I’m sure they really appreciate that.”

                  “Only on the inside. A discreet smile on the outside at most.”

                  That is probably wise if you want a second date.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 3, 2016 @ 5:46 am

                • Jeff wrote: “I’m teasing you.”

                  OK. I wanted to make sure there was no misunderstanding.

                  Jeff wrote: “Actually, I find this fascinating. Your English is very good (I really mean that, no teasing. I had no idea you were not a native speaker). It goes to show the subtle differences when trying to speak or write a foreign language.”

                  Thank you. Interesting matter indeed. Sometimes that leads to some oddities such as the French use of the English expression ‘to be someone’s cup of tea’, something quite unexpected from a people not that fond of tea. One could expect that French people would rather say ‘to be somebody’s glass of wine’ but they don’t say that.

                  Jeff wrote: “I actually wanted to see what your, or anyone’s reaction, to me saying that I have a black wife.”

                  I hope my reaction was not too disappointing.

                  Jeff wrote: ” She’s not actually black, she’s as white as me”

                  False testimony…😉

                  Jeff wrote: “I completely agree with you. There is something about pretty girls with soft white skin.”

                  True. They’re hot.

                  Jeff wrote: ” it seems to me that tanning booths turn girls into leathery skinned monsters. These girls accentuate the problem by dyeing their hair into an unnatural white-blonde that makes them look like burnt Barbie dolls.”

                  Pumpkins (orange-skinned) with yellow hair are a scary & weird sight. Halloween throughout the year.

                  Jeff wrote: “That is probably wise if you want a second date.”

                  My opinion too. And that would be needlessly cruel. Politics is not their field. Feelings are not men’s one. Mother Nature designed us, men and women, to be good at specific tasks, and it’s fine this way.

                  Comment by hermie — March 3, 2016 @ 6:16 am

      • “Hanna Arendt, Martin Heidegger, Stefen Wise and Nahum Goldmann”

        I’m intrigued, Dr. Murmelstein – why have you chosen the graves of these individuals to be included in this “Wedding of the Macabre” ?

        Comment by Talbot — March 1, 2016 @ 5:24 am

        • TALBOT. So among friends. Martin Heidegger stated after WWII that the Jews distructed themselves. His true disciple and lover Hanna Arendt, following such a teaching, rose against European Jewish leaders who stood with their comunities and faced the Nazi Fascist powerholder trying to save what possible to had been guilty of cooperation. According to that shit philosopher those leaders, almost all martyrs, had instead to follow the “non participation policy”; clear non sense. Mssrs Wise and Goldmann stood safe in USA being uneffective to take any action to help those who stood in the Nazi hell. Then, after WWII end they started a persecution against the few surviving European Jewish leaders. My Father, according to stupid tales in certain press, got the rank of SS General. At a stupid question in hearing before the inverstigating magistrate of People Court Commander Rahm answered ironically. “No, things had not been so. We certainly did not receive orders from Murmelstein”. Now You certainly underrstand my feelings.
          After Nazi persecution my family had been defamed and still now I have to rebuke stupid accusations against my Father who until passing away tortured himself with doubts about his deeds.
          Best.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 1, 2016 @ 9:07 am

          • Thanks for responding, Dr. Murmelstein. I can understand your contempt for those indivduals now. They obviously viewed the events of WW2 and its affects upon Europe’s Jewish population from a very different perspective than those people – like your father – who stood at the “coal face” – having to deal directly with the SS and the Theresienstadt Ghetto administration.

            I don’t know much about your father of course, but I personally cannot see why he experienced such vehement criticism after the war was over. While the conflict was raging, everyone in Nazi Germany had to obey orders from their superiors, regardless of whether one was Jewish or not. Even if your father had an inkling of what was alleged to be happening to the Jews in Poland and the occupied Soviet Union – he couldn’t do anything about it, because he hadn’t got the freedom or the resources to do so.

            In my view, your father did what he possibly could in the prevailing circumstances in order to protect the remaining Jewish inhabitants of Theresienstadt. I would imagine that it was a very difficult juggling act that he had to perform – constantly having to satisfy German demands, but at the same time trying to help the inmates as conditions deteriorated as the war turned badly for the Nazis.

            But the fact that your father was finally able to hand over Theresienstadt to the IRC without any fighting or loss of life must be regarded as vindication of his sensible and prudent actions during the last few weeks of the war.

            (I read your father’s brief biography on Wikipedia by the way, and I was truly saddened to see that you weren’t even allowed to recite the Kaddish at his funeral. My heart goes out to you – bless! )

            Comment by Talbot — March 1, 2016 @ 12:01 pm

            • TALBOT. What applies to my Father applies to all Jewish leadersm – almost all martyrs – who stood with their comuniities facing the Nazi Fascists while certain individuals stood safe in USA and after war end barked against us and so promoving the negationism. I could write much more about this subject. I will check in Internet wether my contribution about THE JUDENRAT QUESTION IN SHOAH HISTORY delivered in 2010 to a Meeting at Padoa University is available. There I expressed my view. About my Father on the Web side of the Site You can read my essay. What he hadi said when interviewed by Lanzmann is on the movie THE LAST OF THE UNJUST, text also in book form. I am between the Negationist hammer and the ambiss of the shoah speech delivers and their managers. So You and all commentators here will understand my bitter joke. Best.

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 1, 2016 @ 12:43 pm

            • That was a kind thing to say, Talbot.

              Wolf often takes a lot of abuse on this blog.
              Even though I know you don’t believe that the Holocaust occurred I applaud your humane understanding of what Wolf and his father went through.

              I myself agree with the sentiment that Wolf’s father was unjustly targeted by those who didn’t suffer, those that whiled away the war in the safety of Palestine while their European brethren suffered.

              Again, thank you for your understanding.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 1, 2016 @ 12:54 pm

              • How come you didn’t shed any tears of empathy when I mentioned my great uncle, Erich was murdered in Buchenwald in 1950 by the commies?

                Comment by Schlageter — March 1, 2016 @ 2:01 pm

                • I did.

                  It is a shame and a crime that innocent Germans suffered after the war.

                  I’ve repeated this sentiment over and over again.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 1, 2016 @ 2:06 pm

                • I must admit, this holocaust does seem to overwhelm just about everything else about WW2 and its aftermath. The sufferings and tragedies of others are always regarded as an afterthought – if thought about at all!

                  After German re-unification in 1989, Schlageter, was there any restitution or compensation offered to victims and their families who had suffered under the communist regime – or didn’t that subject even come up for discussion?

                  Comment by Talbot — March 1, 2016 @ 3:15 pm

                • SCHLAGETER. I have read Your long and clear reply. 1. As for the pain of Your uncle for having answered the door I believe that when non answering the NKVD men would have forced it to enter and arrest his father. I believe that the NKVD had been adressed to Your great uncle by another SS man who in 1945 had changed his hat and betrayed comrades.May be that Your great uncled could testify about the deeds of higher ranking SS officers. 2. You tell about the need to defend western civilization: Are You awar that Jesus Christ in His life time had been a pious Jew who nowadays could be the Shoah victim or survivor Rabbi Joshua Josefson?3. So Rabbi Joshua Josefson as other rabbis warned their people not to follow the bad greek-roman culture in its lack of morality.
                  4. As to Predatory Capitalism. consider that so in Germany as in USA the really powerfull big industry and finance is under strong Aryan-WASP controll. The Lehman had been established by Jews immigrated from Germany as a trading of agricoltural product of south states and than to grant banking service for USA exports. In 1969 the bank came under strict WASP controll and involved more and more in risky speculations until its collapse in 2008 which ignited a still lasting world wide financial crisis. 5. The comunist leaders of Jewish birth had firs proved their strong hostility to Jewish religious life but then, sooner or later, had been purged by Stalin and his successors. In 1968-69 many Jews had to flee comunist Poland and found shelter in … Germany. 6. The Zionist movement had been founded because of the anti-Semite violences and the State of Israel after European states had been unable to defend their citizen of Jewish faith or ancestry. 7. Roman law system is based on the discrimination between “honestores” and “humiores” while so Pentateuch as Old German one consider all persons having same rights
                  On this web site there are also my essays and on Internet You can find manyers I have pubblished also in German. If You wish to fol continue this change of bitter experiences I am ready.
                  Best Regards.
                  Wold Murmelstein

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 3, 2016 @ 1:35 am

                • “As to Predatory Capitalism. consider that so in Germany as in USA the really powerfull big industry and finance is under strong Aryan-WASP control”…seriously, Wolf?

                  Of the fifty-one(51) senior executives of the major Wall Street banks, trade exchanges, and regulatory agencies, thirty-seven(37) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 72%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the senior executives of the major Wall Street banks, trade exchanges, and regulatory agencies by a factor of 36 times(3,600 percent).

                  Of the forty(40) senior executives of the major Wall Street mutual funds, private equity funds, hedge funds, and brokerages, twenty-six(26) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 65%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the senior executives of the major Wall Street mutual funds, private equity funds, hedge funds, and brokerages by a factor of 32.5 times(3,250 percent).

                  Of the nine(9) Goldman Sachs executive officers, seven(7) are Jews. This is a numerical representation of 78%. Of the twelve(12) Goldman Sachs directors, six(6) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 50%. Of the thirty-three(33) Goldman Sachs management committee members, twenty(20) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 61%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population.* Therefore Jews are over-represented among the Goldman Sachs executive officers by a factor of 39 times(3,900 percent), over-represented on the Goldman Sachs board of directors by a factor of 25 times(2,500 percent), and over-represented on the Goldman Sachs management committee by a factor of 30.5 times(3,050 percent).

                  “sooner or later, had been purged by Stalin and his successors”…yes, Stalin wised up and purged many of the Old Guard in 1937-38 as he adopted a more nationalistic domestic position as he prepared for war. Doesn’t change the enormous damage caused by the Jewish Bolsheviks in the Revolution, Civil War, Holodomor, and other enormous crimes committed against the Russian, Ukrainian, and Baltic peoples which resulted in tens of millions of deaths of non-Jews. See Kaganovich, Yagoda, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, and thousands of named and unnamed others. The NKVD in the 1920s/30s was estimated to have over 40% Jewish membership.

                  Here’s a good piece on Jewish spies and traitors in Britain, many of them welcomed in after Stalin’s purges. Guess that’s how they repaid the nations that took them in.

                  http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/02/britains-jewish-communist-traitors/

                  “.,,, the State of Israel after European states had been unable to defend their citizen of Jewish faith or ancestry…” so that gives Jews the right to steal others land, employ terrorism and ethnic cleansing as means to secure their goals, and underwrite an enormous 5th column lobby in the west to bankroll and fight wars on its behalf (Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, etc etc) and turn the other cheek to genocidal violence in Gaza and the West Bank?

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 3, 2016 @ 8:19 am

              • You’re welcome, Jeff.

                Comment by Talbot — March 1, 2016 @ 2:22 pm

                • “Innocent Germans…”

                  Innocent of what Jeff?

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 1, 2016 @ 4:00 pm

                • Those swept up in events they could not control.

                  Not every German committed crimes.

                  Not every German followed Hitler from the beginning, the highest percentage of the vote the Nazis managed was 37%.

                  The invasion of Poland was not particularly popular.

                  Germans suffered under allied bombing, Soviet tanks and German women suffered sexual assault.

                  Is there something I missed?
                  Anything else you want me to air?

                  How about this:

                  Under forced collectivization, 3 million Ukrainians died in the early 30’s.
                  Up to 7 million Soviet citizens (including the Ukrainians) died at the same time, victims of artificially induced famines.

                  The US government committed genocide against the Native Americans.
                  The British committed genocide against the Australian Aborigines.

                  Anything else?
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 1, 2016 @ 5:29 pm

                • You wrote “the invasion of Poland…” One of my very first blog posts, written in the first month of my blogging, was about the first invasion of World War II: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/alfred-naujocks-and-the-start-of-world-war-ii/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 2, 2016 @ 7:21 am

                • Technically the Germans invaded a few days before, on August 26th. Hitler pulled his troops back after deciding to attempt further negotiations.

                  See Andrew Roberts, the Storm of War for specific details.

                  Naturally I believe the official story but even if it didn’t happen that way the German violation of Polish territory on the 26th was cause for war.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 2, 2016 @ 7:32 am

                • Thanks for the tip about this book. I see that this is a brand new book which probably tells about details of World War II that I have never heard before. I was a child during World War II and I have studied it extensively, but it seems that the Jews now have a new version of what happened. This means that more old German soldiers can be brought into court on a stretcher and prosecuted as war criminals.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 2, 2016 @ 8:24 am

                • Actually “The Storm of War” came out some time ago.

                  The newest history that I’ve read is Anthony Beevor’s history of the 2nd World War, that came out a couple of years ago.

                  I don’t believe that either man is Jewish, however, if it makes you feel better to believe that they are I’m not going to argue.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 2, 2016 @ 12:12 pm

                • As a follow up, Roberts book came out in 2009.

                  I thought both books were weakest when it came to talking about the Holocaust, but then, both books concerned themselves mainly with military affairs.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 2, 2016 @ 12:18 pm

                • It’s a fascinating story, Talbot. He foolishly remained in Berlin at war’s end and went back to his flat in Charlottenburg. His then 4 year old son answered a knock on the door from the NKVD the summer of 45 and led them straight to his dad. That was the last they saw of him. It haunted my uncle all his life.

                  Rumors about his whereabouts persisted throughout the 50s. Even his sister in law, my great aunt, Hertha, who settled in the east and was even elected mayor of her village and was an SED member got no response from a direct inquiry to Honnecker himself.

                  So imagine my surprise when in 2011 I (re-)visited the kitschy museum “haus am checkpoint Charlie” during an exhibit on missing DDR prisoners and lo and behold the page in the book was opened to his name. And there it was…died July 1, 1950, Buchenwald.

                  I managed to tell his son, then on his premature death bed his fate. He died soon after.

                  Onkel Erich was an Allgemeine SS man…worked in the RSHA I’m told…

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 1, 2016 @ 4:08 pm

                • Thanks Schlageter, for sharing that sad story of your Great Uncle Erich. He didn’t deserve that fate. The war had been over long enough by 1950 for tempers to cool, so that a more balanced view of events could prevail. But it seems that the communists still thirsted for revenge against former SS men. But neither did the rest of your family deserve to go through the heartache of not knowing where he was and what had happened to him. His son must have been devastated as he grew up realising that he had inadvertently led them to his own father. So, alas, yet another tragic story that comes out of that terrible conflict.

                  Comment by Talbot — March 1, 2016 @ 9:01 pm

                • SCHLAGETER. Onviously I have great understanding for Your uncle’s feelings. May I remember that maby former Nazi police officers in 1945 simply changed their hat and continued in their “work” under the new power holder? It seems that the Gestapo Chief Mueller had been taken by the Russians and “worked” for them. Left wing intellectual do not care about the former SS oficers who had been employed by Arab dictators who aimed the destruction of Israel and all Jewish comunities world wide. The Shoah had been part of the great tragedy of WWI and WII, the suicide of Europe. So Your family as mine had been persecuted by the comunists: my relatives still in Lemberg in 1939, short after the Russians took over, had been displaced to Alma Ata where my grandmother passed away in 1940, here grave is near that of a Polish nationalist. Look: the Jewess and the Polish nationalist are thogether at cemetary. It would have better for all of us if the same had been thogether in the years of their life working for solution of comon problems. Do You realize that nowadays the same applies to both of us? I look forward to Your answer.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 2, 2016 @ 2:37 am

                • Jeff, “innocent of what” was an ironic statement laced with sarcasm.

                  Also, “Technically the Germans invaded a few days before, on August 26th. Hitler pulled his troops back after deciding to attempt further negotiations.

                  See Andrew Roberts, the Storm of War for specific details.

                  Naturally I believe the official story but even if it didn’t happen that way the German violation of Polish territory on the 26th was cause for war.”

                  Strongly suggest you read “1939 the war with many fathers” by Gerd Schulze-Reinhof. He details numerous Polish “acts of war” prior to 1 September 1939, not limited only to the frequent attacks on ethnic Germans in post-1919 Poland, the frequent incursions into Oberschlesien (Upper Silesia), and also the Polish seizure of Czech Teschen during the Sudeten crisis of 1938.

                  .Hell, think about this: We all hear how the “1st shots of the war” fell on Polish troops garrisoning the Westerplatte fort in Danzig harbor. Recall that Danzig was not Polish territory, but a Free City under League of Nations mandate. The garrison itself was an illegal act, and a violation of LofN and International Law…

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 2, 2016 @ 12:14 pm

                • “. It would have better for all of us if the same had been together in the years of their life working for solution of common problems. Do You realize that nowadays the same applies to both of us? I look forward to Your answer.”

                  Wolf, as an individual human being, you have my sympathy and empathy. I’m certain you lived through difficult and dangerous times. Unfortunately, as I am a passionate defender of Western (ie European) Civilization, and your tribe is anathema to said Civilization, your position and mine is irreconcilable. The Jews are and always have been the greatest threat to European man. If we look at the 20th Century and modern times, Bolshevism, predatory capitalism, and such diverse ideas/movements as pornography, organized atheism, abortion, multiculturalism, mass 3rd World immigration to Western Europe & the US, espionage and high treason against Western nations, open borders, Hollywood filth, organized race-baiting, the perversion of the Justice system, homosexual and other degenerate movements, and of course, the hugely destructive Zionist entity all have an overwhelmingly Jewish presence and flavor to them, and each has together enormously undermined western civilization and culture. These are my “common problems”. Do you see a solution that allows for co-existence? I don’t.

                  And I appreciate your feelings of sympathy for my long dead great uncle, Of course, you should understand he was an SS man. He worked in the RSHA, the Reichsicherheitshauptamt, led by Reinhard Heydrich. Who knows? He may have been a simple secretary, or perhaps he worked for Eichmann himself. I haven’t uncovered that part yet. His son, my uncle, was born in the SS hospital in Dahlem. Did he deserve death in a Soviet/DDR Gulag any more or less than some Jewish saboteur or communist agitator? Guess it depends on how you feel about my previous paragraph.

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 2, 2016 @ 12:32 pm

                • Thanks for the kind words, Talbot

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 2, 2016 @ 1:45 pm

                • SCHLAGETER The German racism does not distinguish persons belonging to Jewish comunity and sharing Jewish views and persons having simply Jewish ancestry without sharing or even hostile to Jewish Faith and comunity. In Theresienstadt there had been the problem of inmates only of Jewish ancestry who behaved in a hostile way against Jews.
                  Furthermore there were many Jews holding high decorations for bravery shown in WWI serving on batrlefield in German and Austro-Hungarian armies deported first to Theresienstadt and then to Auschwitz; gratitude shown by the Reich.
                  I could go on.
                  Think over this and then comment.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 3, 2016 @ 8:54 am

                • “Furthermore there were many Jews holding high decorations for bravery shown in WWI serving on batrlefield in German and Austro-Hungarian armies deported first to Theresienstadt and then to Auschwitz; gratitude shown by the Reich.
                  I could go on.”

                  I’m aware of that Wolf; it is indeed tragic that such men died. One wonders the conflicting emotions of an SS man ordered to despatch a Jew holding an Iron Cross from the 1st war. There were no doubt Jews patriotic to and assimilated in to German culture and state, though certainly a small minority.

                  Hitler himself was known to intervene on behalf of some, not least of which the famous Riga-bound train of German Jews he ordered unmolested that unfortunately for them ended up dead in the woods in Rumbula. (I walked that spot, and the route they took from the nearby train station to the woods.).

                  Compare to the utter lack of comprehension and knowledge of a RAF or USAAC bomber crew waking up in their warm English barracks and flying over Germany never seeing the scenes of carnage and destruction they caused.

                  Most of it could have been avoided had the Allies not declared war on Germany, and had the Germans been able to implement their main idea of a German homeland, and a Jewish one, somewhere else of course.

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 3, 2016 @ 11:55 am

            • I have a section on my website where you can read the essays written by Wolf Murmelstein: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Contributions/Murmelstein/index.html

              I encourage everyone to read these essays, which are very informative.

              Comment by furtherglory — March 1, 2016 @ 2:57 pm

              • SCHLAGETER. Do You belong to the family of Albert Leo Schlageter murdered by the French in 1923?

                Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 3, 2016 @ 9:09 am

                • curses! I’ve been exposed!

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 3, 2016 @ 9:33 am

                • SCHLAGETER. Now I understand better Your statements. Furthermore, it could be interesting for You to know that at Theresienstadt we had also the FREIKORP member Karl Loewenstein who fought against the Poles in Silesia.. We had also the widdow of SA Obergruppenfuehrer August Schneidhuner shot on personal order of Hitler.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 3, 2016 @ 10:18 am

                • Mistakes and oversteps were certainly made, and those were most unfortunate. My Great Uncle Gerhard, winner of the EK I and II for bravery, and wounded 11 times, told me how upset members of his company were when one of their members, a soldier named Silberstein, was removed from their ranks while in action in Russia and sent elsewhere, fate unknown.

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 3, 2016 @ 11:58 am

                • SCHLAGETER, In 1915 when entering Poland Hindenburg and Luddendorff adressed the Jews with “An die liebe Jidden” in Yiddish. WWI broke out because there had been more rethoric than wisdom around. And WWII had been the logical effect of the foolish Versailles Peace Treaty dictated on Germany, Austria and Hungary which lead to heavy economical and social problems. I believe that WWII would have occured even without Hitler perhaps some years later. In England Coventry and other non strategic towns had been targeted by the Luftwaffe bombers in 1940-1941 so You cannot be surprised for the bombing of Dresden which in January 1945 had been an important transport crossway.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 3, 2016 @ 12:27 pm

                • “In England Coventry and other non strategic towns had been targeted by the Luftwaffe bombers in 1940-1941 “. the Fuhrer repeatedly prohibited his Luftwaffe from attacking civilian targets until he was pushed and pushed and pushed by Churchill, who urged Chamberlain as early as Oct 39 to begin terror bombing civilian targets and repeatedly did so when he became PM. He was trying desperately to goad Hitler into bombing London. He and virtually he alone knew the Luftwaffe ENIGMA codes and knew when and where attacks were occurring. It was only an errant bomb on the East End of London that ignited the full fury of Churchill’s bloodlust. The crew was even court-martialed by the Germans. But Churchill got his wish and began the propaganda lie of “retaliation” for the “war crime” of that error. Nothing that ever struck London compares to what the British deliberately did to Hamburg, Pforzheim, Wurzburg, Hildesheim, Berlin, and countless other cities, culminating in Dresden. “important transport center” my ass…it was Feb 45. The Reich was done for. This was pure spite.

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 3, 2016 @ 1:30 pm

          • I wrote about Hanna Arendt on several blog posts including this one: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/hannah-arendt-is-the-subject-of-a-new-book/

            Comment by furtherglory — March 1, 2016 @ 3:17 pm

            • SCHLAGETER. The suicide of Europe had it deep roots in a century long rethoric which overruled more and more the politvcal wisdom and so WWI started ending with the bancruptcy of Prussian Military Class. By the way Hitler promoted to the rank of Feld Marschal officers who in WWI had the ranks not over Captain and so the Wehrmacht had been comanded by strong men.
              The Versailles Treaty too had been based on stupid and ignorant rethoric. USA President Willson with all his “ideals” had been eventually driven by the needs of the WASP owned USA banks to collect the loans granted to Greate Britain and France and so Germany, Austria, Hungary had been heavily charged. Not only Keynes warned that flows of huge payment from on side to the other would cause a financial crisis – see the memories of Schacht! – and the 1929 Wall Street desaster show that those fears had been right. Beside Central and East Europe had increasing economical and social problems the democratic governments could not cope with and so Hitler rose on power and noted how he had to face a mass of senile idiots, from Chamberline to the Polish political class; no one heard the song “heute gehoert uns Deutschland,morgen die ganze Welt.” and the discrimination of Jews had been considered as an “internal affair” of Germany. In 1939 Stalin fired Foreign Minister Litvinow while of Jewish birth and Molotov met Rippentropp at reached the August 26 1939 for joint attack and partition of Poland. And so WWII with all related tragedies started. And a “totaler Krieg” is more or less merciless and so bombings of civilian targets, mass executions and treacheries occure, The Nazi had started the extermination of Jewish people first in “traditional” ways and in 1941-42 in a more and more industrial way following the Taylor scientific labor organization and logistics. So the mass deportations, the Gas Chambers and the Crematories performed the mass murder in short time. And then almost all remains had been destructed and now we have the debates while the ISIS – Arab Nazis – want to overrunn Europe. Have a nice week end. .

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 4, 2016 @ 1:48 am

  3. My great Uncle Laszlo was a Hungarian midget, and he was thrown in the gas chamber on top of the adults, along with some of the children. Although he finished up perched on top of a bald, naked Rabbi, he managed to crawl over the crammed peoples heads to the door, and then escaped through the peep-hole.

    This was very fortunate, because he was due to play the part of Dopey in the stage production of ‘Eva Braun and the Seven Dwarfs’ that very night at the Auschwitz theatre.

    This show was a tremendous success, and received great reviews from both the ‘Daily Stormtrooper’ as well as the ‘Yiddish Times’.

    Comment by Talbot — February 29, 2016 @ 2:05 pm

    • That’s cute, Talbot.

      Do you know what else is cute?

      Deniers now have a new take on an old children’s game, “Duck, duck, goose.”

      When asked to provide proof of their craptastic theories, they scream “DUCK, DUCK, DUCK!!!!!”

      Because, you know, they have…..

      Wait for it……

      NOTHING.

      Duck, duck, duck, Talbot.

      Comment by Jeff K. — February 29, 2016 @ 3:40 pm

      • Well, you haven’t got very much-o to go on either, Jeff. Even if one goes along with your “gas chamber” fantasies, then the structures that you offer us as proof of mass murder are totally inadequate to deal with the numbers that you are presenting. In addition, the cremation facilities that we’ve been told about simply haven’t got the capacity to carry out the necessary act of burning all these bodies. Finally, you have not supplied us with any details or witnesses of how the cremated remains were crushed, and then disposed of at Birkenau. One presumes that the Soviets and Poles carried out a thorough examination of the camp and the surrounding area, and then carried out forensic tests on the remains to prove that mass murder took place there. Maybe could point us in the direction of the official report. After all, without any bodies or human remains – how does anyone know that mass murder took place?

        “Duck, duck, goose” – I’m glad you mentioned goose – because the fiendish Nazis employed a flock of geese at Sobibor to drown out the screams of the victims inside your imaginary gas chambers at Sobibor. I’m reliably told that each goose was later awarded the Iron Cross (First Class) for their exemplary duty to the Fatherland.

        And I like ducks – they are a wonderful bird that bring good cheer to nature-lovers everywhere.

        Comment by Talbot — March 1, 2016 @ 5:05 am

        • “Well, you haven’t got very much-o to go on either, Jeff. Even if one goes along with your “gas chamber” fantasies, then the structures that you offer us as proof of mass murder are totally inadequate to deal with the numbers that you are presenting.”

          Why is that?

          “In addition, the cremation facilities that we’ve been told about simply haven’t got the capacity to carry out the necessary act of burning all these bodies.”

          Really?

          I’ve given you articles to read, links to follow, etc.
          What have you given me?
          Nothing.

          “Finally, you have not supplied us with any details or witnesses of how the cremated remains were crushed, and then disposed of at Birkenau.”

          But, deniers don’t like witnesses. When we talk about witness statements these are always mocked. Why would I provide witness statements only to see the endless disrespect poured on these individuals?

          “One presumes that the Soviets and Poles carried out a thorough examination of the camp and the surrounding area, and then carried out forensic tests on the remains to prove that mass murder took place there. Maybe could point us in the direction of the official report. After all, without any bodies or human remains – how does anyone know that mass murder took place?”

          But even if such a report existed, what would be the response?
          It’s all propaganda. Or forgery.

          “Duck, duck, goose” – I’m glad you mentioned goose – because the fiendish Nazis employed a flock of geese at Sobibor to drown out the screams of the victims inside your imaginary gas chambers at Sobibor. I’m reliably told that each goose was later awarded the Iron Cross (First Class) for their exemplary duty to the Fatherland.”

          Proof of this please.
          Or I will chalk this up as more speculation.

          “And I like ducks – they are a wonderful bird that bring good cheer to nature-lovers everywhere.”

          I like birds in general.

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 1, 2016 @ 5:34 am

          • The only way of convincing me that there were extermination facilities at Birkenau, would be;-

            1) For the Auschwitz authorities or the Polish government to produce an official report – dating from between 1945 and 1948 prepared by qualified forensic inspectors who thoroughly examined the Birkenau site and its surroundings, to ascertain if any human remains were found. This report would not only have to specify the precise locations where they found this material, but the approximate quantities of the ash and pulverised bones.

            2) For an independent commission to re-construct a “gas chamber” similar to the one at Krema II ( not the entire building – just the chamber itself ) – to the exact dimensions of the original structure; build into it door that can be sealed shut; and erect vents through the ceiling with wire-mesh cages below. Then, see if it is physically possible to cram inside it (let’s say) 1,500 human beings. After this, get the actors to lie down in a tangled mass and see how long it takes for a team to drag them out one-by-one from the chamber by means of the narrow doorway.

            After all the actors have been removed, then an experiment can take place, whereby a guy wearing a gas-mask carries several cans of Zyklon B over to the roof of the chamber, opens up a vent, opens up one of the cans, and pours the pellets down through the vent. He then repeats this process for each of the vents. Meanwhile, scientific monitoring equipment previously installed inside the chamber monitor the pellets as they vaporise, and these record how long the gas takes to circulate around the chamber without being heated to the required operating temperature.

            Once this has been done, then the door of the chamber can be opened, and a timer switched on to see how long afterwards it would be safe for anyone to venture inside.

            3) For a single cremation oven – built to the same specifications as those that existed in Birkenau – to be constructed, and fuelled by coke. Dead animals, similar in size to human bodies would be fed into this oven, and the time it took to consume fully into ashes and bones duly recorded. These dead carcases would be fed into the oven one-by-one on a continuous basis until it is deemed that the furnace simply has to be shut down for it to be cooled, cleaned, and checked for maintenance.

            If, as the result of these investigations, it can be established beyond doubt that the process of extermination – as specified by the holocaust proponents – is feasible, then obviously I’m prepared to change my view on the matter.

            Comment by Talbot — March 1, 2016 @ 7:41 am

            • When I first went to see the ruins of the gas chamber in Krema II, I had immediate doubt. The gas chamber was in the wrong location for something like this. It was also too small. You don’t have to be an expert like Germar Rudolf or Fred Leuchter to immediately have doubts about the gas chamber story.

              This was on my second trip to Auschwitz-Birkeanau. On my first trip, my tour guide would not let me get off the road through the camp because she said that there were snakes in the grass. She meant real snakes.

              Comment by furtherglory — March 1, 2016 @ 8:04 am

              • “there were snakes in the grass. She meant real snakes” – Well put, FG.

                Comment by Talbot — March 1, 2016 @ 8:38 am

            • The only way of convincing me that there were extermination facilities at Birkenau, would be;-

              “1) For the Auschwitz authorities or the Polish government to produce an official report – dating from between 1945 and 1948 prepared by qualified forensic inspectors who thoroughly examined the Birkenau site and its surroundings, to ascertain if any human remains were found. This report would not only have to specify the precise locations where they found this material, but the approximate quantities of the ash and pulverised bones.”

              My, that’s very detailed.

              Well, I’ll look around, see what I can.

              “2) For an independent commission to re-construct a “gas chamber” similar to the one at Krema II ( not the entire building – just the chamber itself ) – to the exact dimensions of the original structure; build into it door that can be sealed shut; and erect vents through the ceiling with wire-mesh cages below. Then, see if it is physically possible to cram inside it (let’s say) 1,500 human beings. After this, get the actors to lie down in a tangled mass and see how long it takes for a team to drag them out one-by-one from the chamber by means of the narrow doorway.

              After all the actors have been removed, then an experiment can take place, whereby a guy wearing a gas-mask carries several cans of Zyklon B over to the roof of the chamber, opens up a vent, opens up one of the cans, and pours the pellets down through the vent. He then repeats this process for each of the vents. Meanwhile, scientific monitoring equipment previously installed inside the chamber monitor the pellets as they vaporise, and these record how long the gas takes to circulate around the chamber without being heated to the required operating temperature.

              Once this has been done, then the door of the chamber can be opened, and a timer switched on to see how long afterwards it would be safe for anyone to venture inside.”

              Again, very detailed.

              I don’t have the power to make that happen, but, I do wonder if anyone has done anything similar.

              “3) For a single cremation oven – built to the same specifications as those that existed in Birkenau – to be constructed, and fuelled by coke. Dead animals, similar in size to human bodies would be fed into this oven, and the time it took to consume fully into ashes and bones duly recorded. These dead carcases would be fed into the oven one-by-one on a continuous basis until it is deemed that the furnace simply has to be shut down for it to be cooled, cleaned, and checked for maintenance.

              If, as the result of these investigations, it can be established beyond doubt that the process of extermination – as specified by the holocaust proponents – is feasible, then obviously I’m prepared to change my view on the matter.”

              All of these are very detailed and frankly completely doable.

              The problem is getting something like this done. I certainly don’t have the pull.

              Perhaps something similar has been done.

              I’ll try and look around, see if anyone has tried anything similar to what you are asking.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 1, 2016 @ 10:04 am

    • TALBOT, And in Yiddish Times – not so yiddish in content – my Father had been blamed for the deportation of …. Your great Uncle Laszlo.
      The first division of Shoah Business blames and defames my Father while the second division is insulting me.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 2, 2016 @ 8:09 am

      • Ah – it was just a bit of humour that I contributed, Dr Murmelstein, in order to help lighten up proceedings!. A thousand pardons if I offended you.

        Comment by Talbot — March 2, 2016 @ 8:57 am

        • TALBOT. So Your as mine joke highlight the absudity of many stories going around just in order to avoid any serious studying how it had come to the suicide of Europe in WWI and WWII.
          Just some minutes ago I learned about a reader comment in DAILY STURTROOPER where an retired SS officer clamed that he had never got orders from a Jew,

          Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 2, 2016 @ 9:20 am

  4. Even if it is estimated that 300,000 Hungarian Jews perished in Auschwitz, then its very difficult to see how the official total number of deaths in the camp can reach anything like the figure of 1.1 to 1,5 million. The “Hungarian Holocaust” is often billed as the main event during the camp’s existence, because during the first two years the numbers killed there is alleged to be quite low – some accounts say just 200,000-or-so. Therefore, the holocaust proponents desperately require the numbers of Hungarian victims not to shrink too far!

    Comment by Talbot — February 29, 2016 @ 1:30 pm

    • How it breaks down:

      Hungary: 426,000; Poland: 300,000; France: 69,000; Netherlands: 60,000; Greece: 55,000; Bohemia and Moravia: 46,000; Slovakia: 27,000; Belgium: 25,000; Yugoslavia: 10,000; Italy: 7,500; Norway: 690; other (including concentration camps): 34,000.

      Comment by Jeff K. — February 29, 2016 @ 1:41 pm

      • Oh, the official count is 426,000 Hungarian Jews in total, and 300,000 Polish Jews as well. Well, I hope these numbers have been verified by some independent body, because they do seem very high to me! Or have we got to rely yet again on Soviet, Polish Communist, and Jewish primary sources. I certainly question the figure for France, because I’ve been led to understand that only about 75,000 Jews living in France were actually deported, and 30,000 of them returned home after the war.

        Comment by Talbot — February 29, 2016 @ 1:58 pm

  5. We have accounted for about 69,000 of the Hungarian Jews.
    I’ll be charitable and say 70,000.
    I’ll even go the low end and say 300,000 and subtract 70,000 from that.

    That leaves 230,000 unaccounted for.

    Tell me what camps absorbed these Jews.

    The camp commander had to register these Jews to account for who could do labor, who couldn’t, what rations they would receive, clothes they would receive (no one disputes that the SS seized Jewish possessions at Auschwitz).

    So, I’m still waiting.

    People questioned the Holocaust damn near after the war ended.
    That’s about 70 years for some “revisionist” to turn up camps, transport schedules, numbers and so on.

    I also add the fact that for the last 70 years “revisionists” stated that the OR camps were transit camps. I’m still waiting for someone, anyone, to show me evidence regarding this.

    I look forward to any and all evidence regarding this matter.

    Jeff

    Comment by Jeff K. — February 29, 2016 @ 12:04 pm


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