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March 2, 2016

Will your children ever have the chance to meet a Holocaust survivor?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 9:47 am

My blog post today is a comment on a news article which you can read at http://highschool.latimes.com/champs-charter-high-school-of-the-arts/opinion-millennials-will-soon-be-responsible-for-kindling-the-holocausts-flame/

The headline of the article is this:

Opinion: Millennials will soon be responsible for kindling the Holocaust’s flame

The following quote is from the news article:

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[the word “millennial” refers to young people today]

Many adults seem exasperated by the “typical” millennial attitude, and our tendency to disregard problems that do not directly impact our own lives. We have been dubbed “Generation ADD” and “The Selfie Generation” by those who do not believe we are capable of being the future movers and shapers of society.

However, in the next decade or so, one incredibly important responsibility will fall upon our shoulders: keeping the memory of the atrocities of the Holocaust alive.

It’s not an easy period of history to recall, whether you are Jewish, German, or of any other cultural background. But the reality is, there will come a time when those who actually lived through these events are no longer with us. It is not unlikely that my own children will never meet a Holocaust survivor.

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The article continues with this quote:

Anne Frank’s diary must remain a staple in schools, as it plays such an important role on educating young people about the monstrosity of the Holocaust, and making us feel connected to the events that transpired. Just this year, a new German film based Frank’s diary premiered at the Berlin Film Festival, and Variety says that it is a “compassionate and intelligently made contribution to the ever-growing body of work on the subject.” Art about the Holocaust must be continually produced, as it makes knowledge about the topic accessible to almost everyone. Young people are fully capable of creatively sharing more stories about the Holocaust in the forms of literature and writing, plays, songs, poems, and films. We can continue exposing the subject, and we must. We should not leave the teaching to a chapter in a history textbook.

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“Anne Frank’s diary must remain a staple in schools…”

Sorry, but I think that Anne Frank’ diary promotes Holocaust denial.  Anne Frank was sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau after her hiding place was found and her family was arrested.  She stayed there only 5 months before she was transferred to Bergen-Belsen on a “sick transport.”  She died of typhus at Bergen-Belsen.  How does her story prove the Holocaust?

My personal opinion is that the Holocaust should be laid to rest. People today are suffering from Holocaust fatigue.  Enough already!

47 Comments »

  1. 1,2 million POW’s were starved to death by Eisenhower

    This is with little doubt an absurd exaggeration — however, abuse of German POWs by the western Allies was extensive, long-lasting, and intentional: “I feel that the Germans should suffer from hunger and from cold as I believe such suffering is necessary to make them realize the consequences of a war which they caused.” (Lucius D. Clay, June, 1945 — news of what was found at some KZs, eg B-B, also spread hatred of Germans — no doubt tens of thousands died of hunger, exposure, and disease — the Rheinwiesenlager are perhaps the most notorious camps where Germans, mostly former soldiers, were held under terrible conditions — the ill-treatment was also partly due to the logistical problem of having to care for large numbers of people in a country where so many buildings were uninhabitable, and food production had collapsed (German fertilizer factories were bombing targets) — the Allies cynically designated German POWs as DEF (Disarmed Enemy Forces) deliberately in order to void their responsibility to care for the prisoners properly, as required by the Geneva Convention — German prisoners were also used as slave labor (‘labor reparations’), especially in France.

    U.S. (and French) abuse of German PoWs, 1945-1948

    HOW ALLIES TREATED GERMAN POWs

    Comment by eah — March 3, 2016 @ 2:12 pm

  2. FURTHERGLORY. It is a religious duty for Jews to remember the martyrs of the Shoah in prayer service. Clearly the whole SHOAH BUSINESS should have an end at last and serious historical studies and teaching should start in order to prevent events occure again. The same applies for all other genocides occured. .

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — March 3, 2016 @ 8:11 am

  3. 1) Recently in the Dutch press there was a small (!) 5th page article that the Anne Frank Foundation Foundation insisted on copyright extended further as part of the book had been written by mr Otto Frank. I suppose this might be interesting to follow up
    2) why should I not be qualified as a holocaust survivor/ i am just as the Wiesel l lived but I was never there.
    3) I may have all these academical qualifications achieved later in life and,yes, I do remember the bombing of Rotterdam and moving to a small town, much nicer in the country. But what else? Nothing . I was actually much happier in the country, being a country boy, than before.
    4) We suffered much from the attacks on Rotterdam. While in the country we only met friendly young soldier boys, often helpful I remember
    5) We were educated with the thought Germans were evil – fortunately my parents were totally neutral and concluded: It is war – and of course. We had no hate against the Germans and no hate against the Jews.
    6) At old age I find that I have been misleaded. Easy facts like Eisenhower killing over a million of young men, Churchill bombarding cities. These men were in my mind ‘war heroes’ and now after 65 years I can concluded they shoud be the ones put on a trial

    If I had know Ja, wir haben es nicht gewusst, is even more applicable here

    Comment by dr kim — March 2, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

    • “At old age I find that I have been misleaded. Easy facts like Eisenhower killing over a million of young men”

      What “million young men” are you talking about?

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 2, 2016 @ 1:12 pm

      • Rheinwiesenlager, homeboy

        Comment by Schlag — March 2, 2016 @ 1:34 pm

        • “Rheinwiesenlager”

          Doesn’t translate.

          German POW prison camps?

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 2, 2016 @ 2:02 pm

        • Also, why “homeboy?”

          I’m not black.

          My wife is, not me.

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 2, 2016 @ 2:05 pm

          • As far as I know Eisenhower decided in a written order (copy available) to deny Germaan soldiers their POW status. Then he forbade thhe Intl Red Cross access. Also forbade anyone to offer water or food on condition to be shot on the spot.
            In three days he achieved more tha the Germans in years. If the Nazis had only known….
            But amazingly until recently having lived through the war I discovered that the Americans were very good in exterminating people and by mny testimonies you will find also in torturing.
            Well this seems as new to you as it was to me a few days ago. For me it is worse as I have lived scores of years believing stories of the so-called allied forces. For you it is only a short time to adjust and read upon this things.

            Comment by dr kim — March 2, 2016 @ 2:18 pm

            • “decided in a written order (copy available) to deny Germaan soldiers their POW status. Then he forbade thhe Intl Red Cross access.”

              I know this but this didn’t result in a million deaths, certainly not in a few days.

              What proof exists that a million men died in Western POW camps?

              Not even the Soviets allowed a million German POWs to die.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 2, 2016 @ 2:28 pm

              • So you do know that about 1,2 million POW’s were starved to death by Eisenhower?
                Let’s have a look at the pictures taken and the proocols. But maybe you woud want to know where they were burnt to death? Simply in the ovens the Nazis had still burning.
                Or maybe after having perished as was Eisenhowers plan thy simply disappeared into thin air just as allthe Jews and just as you twin towers (assuming that you are from the USA).

                It may take you some time as it did me. If you have only English at your disposal and no Ivriet or French or Polish it may take you a little longer at the end but you will get there.
                On the subject you might alsoo like to learn a little more about Churchill in Europe known as a war hero but actually a war monger.
                You much also appreciate it that some many documents are now available.
                That Montgomery needlessly waisted thousands of lives we all knew.

                In another European language I just read the transcriptions of the American torturings in 1948 or so. Very well accounted for. Great work

                Comment by dr kim — March 2, 2016 @ 2:48 pm

                • “So you do know that about 1,2 million POW’s were starved to death by Eisenhower?”

                  No, I’m saying that it never happened. If you want to convince me that this happened you need to provide proof.

                  “Let’s have a look at the pictures taken and the proocols. But maybe you woud want to know where they were burnt to death? Simply in the ovens the Nazis had still burning.
                  Or maybe after having perished as was Eisenhowers plan thy simply disappeared into thin air just as allthe Jews and just as you twin towers (assuming that you are from the USA).”

                  Yes, I’m a United States citizen.
                  Provide any proof that you have, in English.

                  “It may take you some time as it did me. If you have only English at your disposal and no Ivriet or French or Polish it may take you a little longer at the end but you will get there.”

                  Please provide proof in English.

                  “On the subject you might alsoo like to learn a little more about Churchill in Europe known as a war hero but actually a war monger.”

                  Churchill’s passion for war is well known to me.

                  It might interest you to know that Churchill later regretted the bombing campaigns.

                  “You much also appreciate it that some many documents are now available.
                  That Montgomery needlessly waisted thousands of lives we all knew.”

                  Ok.

                  “In another European language I just read the transcriptions of the American torturings in 1948 or so. Very well accounted for. Great work”

                  That the allies tortured German Nationals after the war is also not news to me, but I’ll read anything you have on the subject.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 2, 2016 @ 3:02 pm

                • You wrote: “I’m saying that it never happened.” It seems that you have had a good education in history, as provided by the True Believers, but apparently you have read nothing from the Holocaust denier side of the story. Many years ago, I wrote about Eisenhower’s famous death camp on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/EasternGermany/Gotha/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 2, 2016 @ 5:16 pm

              • To paraphrase yourself, if the Rheinwiesenlager were simply holding camps, where did the POWs, sorry, DEFs disappear to?

                And to your other statement re the Russians, they most simply did murder or let die through willful neglect more than a million Germans, military and civilian, (did you know they deported hundreds of thousands of German civilians to work in mines and factories in the USSR in 1945?)

                Comment by Schlageter — March 3, 2016 @ 2:10 am

                • I’ve come across the whole “1 million dead German POWs” before but up until now I didn’t understand the source.

                  It appears to be this:

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses

                  I read over the article but I’ve never read the book.

                  Learned historians shredded this book just as they shredded Daniel Goldhagen’s book “Hitler’s Willing Executioners.”

                  The Wikipedia article states that the estimated dead is around 56,000. This is not 1 million, not even close.

                  Apparently deniers continue to take this book seriously, even though no one else does.

                  One note:
                  The author of “Other Losses” makes use of eyewitness testimony.
                  I thought all eyewitness testimony was useless……or is it only useful when it fits your point of view?

                  Yes, Schlageter, I’m well aware of the German POWs and laborers who lost their lives in the Soviet Union.
                  German soldiers feared the Soviets a great deal and tried to surrender to the West as much as possible. I can’t blame them for that.
                  It’s estimated that over 30% of the German POWs and laborers lost their lives before the Soviets repatriated the last of them in 1955.

                  However, in sheer numbers and percentage the Germans won the POW death contest with 57.8% and 3.3 million Red Army POWs dying in captivity.

                  You should be proud.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 3, 2016 @ 6:00 am

                • Here is some more information about German POWs:

                  http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/for/us-germany-pow.html

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 3, 2016 @ 6:04 am

                • More information, written by Stephen Ambrose dealing specifically with “Other Losses.”

                  https://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/ambrose-atrocities.html

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 3, 2016 @ 6:16 am

                • As I have said before, I met a soldier who was a survivor of Eisenhower’s camp. He was helped to escape by one of the Americans who was guarding the camp. I believe the stories told about Eisenhower. This soldier wrote a book about his time in the German Army. He did not tell any details about his time in the prison camp for fear of being killed. This was before the books were written about the camp.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 3, 2016 @ 6:45 am

                • Then, you believe eyewitnesses?

                  I thought Holocaust deniers didn’t like eyewitness statements.

                  The numbers do not add up to mass German POWs dying on the Western Front.

                  What the evidence points to is an initial period of difficulty followed by releases and an easing of the conditions.

                  Are the Allied hands clean on this matter?

                  No.

                  But I dispute any genocidal intent.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 3, 2016 @ 6:50 am

                • What about the photos of German soldiers digging holes for shelter? What about the film showing Eisenhower’s camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhl0Jw5JW0c
                  What about this film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azWknXQzStc

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 3, 2016 @ 6:53 am

                • Comment by furtherglory — March 3, 2016 @ 7:03 am

                • I wrote about “eye-witness statements” on one of my first blog posts: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/eye-witness-description-of-the-procedure-used-in-the-auschwitz-birkenau-gas-chambers/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 3, 2016 @ 10:16 am

                • But you accept the eyewitness statement of one person you talked to.

                  That’s a little odd.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 3, 2016 @ 11:44 am

                • This was an eye-witness statement from a German man who was in the camp. He now lives in the United States. I had no reason to believe that he was lying. He talked about many other events that happened in World War II and did not lie.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 3, 2016 @ 12:15 pm

                • Yet again, you claim that Jewish eyewitnesses lie about their experiences in the camps but you believe a boy who was 17.
                  Did the GI’s escort him to each camp and show him piles of bodies?
                  Tell him that the plan was allow a million German soldiers to die?
                  I have no doubt he saw terrible things and that what happened in these camps is and was a tragedy, but I need a lot more to convince me that a million German POWs died in 6-8 months in POW camps.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 3, 2016 @ 12:38 pm

                • I wonder if the German death, being on German soil, with their identification tags on were not brought back to their towns and villages? There should be Germans still alive who know. Even just after war this would be the most usual thing to do

                  Comment by dr kim — March 3, 2016 @ 2:58 pm

                • There is no doubt in my mind that the USA caused much harm to the German people and in this case the soldiers, I only question the high numbers reported killed.
                  But it’s like that with all the high numbers of any group that is reported.
                  I wasn’t there for any of this so I have to take it as it comes from the various sources.
                  So I am fair when it comes to the Jews ( 6 million lie) and others who throw out huge numbers.

                  Got this from a friend, again showing the 6 million number of Jews is pure fabrication…..

                  quote…
                  I thought you might find these statistics useful for your records, if you don’t already have them. The World Almanac was considered the most authoritative reference book in the U.S. since the end of the Civil War. Notice that Jewish sources are fairly consistent with the Almanac’s statistics. To my knowledge, the Jews have never come out accusing the Almanac of antisemitism or inaccuracy. But I suspect that in recent years they might have bought it off as some of their recent statistics seem very suspect.

                  WORD JEWISH POPULATION STATISTICS

                  Meyers Handlexicon, Germany 1921 — 11,600,000

                  World Almanac, 1925, pg. 752 — 15,630,000, “In 1925 a census of Palestine gave a total of 115,151 Jews”

                  World Almanac, 1929, pg. 727 — 15,630,000

                  National Council of Churches 1930 — 15,600 ,000

                  March 24, 1933, jewish newspaper Daily Express — 14,000,000 jews worldwide

                  World Almanac, 1933, pg. 419 — 15,316,359, [“The estimate for Jews in the above table is for 1933, and is by the American Jewish Committee”

                  World Almanac, 1936, pg. 748 — world jewish population = 15,753,633

                  World Almanac, 1938, pg. 510 — world jewish population = 15,748,091, with 240,000 in Germany

                  American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council, 1939 — 15,600,000

                  World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population — 15,319,359

                  World Almanac, 1941, pg. 510: World Jewish Population — 15,748,091

                  World Almanac, 1942, pg. 849 — 15,192,089, “Jews include Jews by race not necessarily by religion”

                  World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population — 15,690,000

                  World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population — 15,713,638

                  Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 — 15,300,000

                  World Almanac, US News & World Report, 1983 population of jews — 16,820,850

                  World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989: World Jewish Population –18,080,000

                  World Almanac, 1996, pg. 646: World Jewish Population — 14,117,000*

                  World Almanac & Book of Facts, 2001: World Jewish Population — 13,200,000

                  *Notice that the World Jewish population cited in the World Almanac in 1996 shows a 4 million drop in 1996, the first time a major drop was ever recorded in the Almanac. Another million was dropped in 2001, for a total of 5 million. Was there a Jewish “Holocaust” in recent times that no one knows about? Or was the World Almanac bought out by a “special interests” group adjusting the figures in accord with the Holohoax myth?

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 3, 2016 @ 8:24 am

                • so where did the million plus DEFs disappear to Jeff? Just using your own logic here. I’m waiting for an answer….

                  as far as the Soviets “in sheer numbers and percentage the Germans won the POW death contest with 57.8% and 3.3 million Red Army POWs dying in captivity.

                  You should be proud”…so are you reversing yourself on your previous statement on the lack of German deaths in Soviet captivity?

                  And referencing Stephen Ambrose, a known plagiarist? LMAO.

                  And why should I be proud? because the Germans disposed of 3.3 million additional threats to western Europe? I am.

                  try staying consistent in your application of evidence, facts, and logic, there…must be dem collard greens and fried chicken dat mammy done made got to yo head…

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 3, 2016 @ 7:36 am

                • “so where did the million plus DEFs disappear to Jeff? Just using your own logic here. I’m waiting for an answer….”

                  They were released, Schlageter.
                  Didn’t you read the articles? Can you read?
                  Most of those camps were closed by the Fall of 1945.

                  I say they were released.
                  You say a million died.
                  Fine. Where are the bodies?
                  Care to dig up reports of mass graves in the Rhineland? This isn’t rural Poland, this is one of the most developed places in Europe.
                  Did the US send them rolling down the Rhine River?
                  Fine. Pictures or reports will do.
                  Deniers whine about body disposal.
                  Are you saying the US built crematorium to burn these bodies? Proof, please.
                  Are you saying the US roasted them?
                  Proof, please.
                  Isn’t it odd that the US could somehow murder 1 million German POWs between April to November of 1945 yet deniers say the Germans couldn’t murder some 5-6 million Jews in 4 years?
                  Hhhhmmmm, I sense double standard.

                  “as far as the Soviets “in sheer numbers and percentage the Germans won the POW death contest with 57.8% and 3.3 million Red Army POWs dying in captivity.

                  You should be proud”…so are you reversing yourself on your previous statement on the lack of German deaths in Soviet captivity?”

                  A lot of Germans died in Soviet captivity. I never denied that they did. I said 30% of Germans died in captivity.
                  Again, can you read?

                  “And referencing Stephen Ambrose, a known plagiarist? LMAO.”

                  What does that have to do with him debunking junk history?
                  The author of Other Losses wrote fiction before he wrote Other Losses. I’m supposed to take his word.

                  “And why should I be proud? because the Germans disposed of 3.3 million additional threats to western Europe? I am.”

                  Oh, I got history wrong, then. So, the USSR invaded Europe in June of 1941? And the Germans captured these POWs on Polish soil? Hungarian soil?
                  Please.

                  The men that died in those camps were threats to no one. German troops captured these ill-equipped, poorly led troops and then allowed them to die.

                  Actually, ultimately the responsibility of these men being “threats” lies with Germany. In fact, the whole Bolshevick threat is Germany’s doing.

                  Oh, no!!! Is it true?!?!

                  Why, yes, sparky, it is.
                  Lenin lived in exile until the Germans thought it would be great idea to send him back into Russia to forment rebellion. The German reasoning was that Lenin would pull Russia out of the war and then Germany could turn to the West.

                  Talk about one of history’s epic fuck ups.
                  So, we ultimately have Gemany to thank for the rise of the red threat.
                  Kudos, Schlageter, another reason to be proud.

                  Speaking of historical fuck ups…..
                  Germany was also responsible for the SPREAD of Communism into Eastern Europe and the advent of the Cold War.

                  Oh no!!!! Say it isn’t so?!?!?

                  Why yes, sparky, it is.
                  You see, Eastern European was historically ANTI-COMMUNIST in the years before the war.
                  Because of Hitler’s really piss poor judgement in attacking the USSR before knocking the British out and then aggravating the problem by declaring war on the US, this allowed the Red Army and then Communism into areas that historically rejected them.

                  Again, another reason to be proud, Schlageter. Kudos.

                  “try staying consistent in your application of evidence, facts, and logic, there…”

                  I do.

                  “must be dem collard greens and fried chicken dat mammy done made got to yo head…”

                  Typical. It’s that sort of thinking that made you lose the war and then play bitch to the USSR and US for 40 some odd years.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 3, 2016 @ 11:40 am

                • “But I dispute any genocidal intent”….so is it “intent” or “results” you are concerned with?

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 3, 2016 @ 7:39 am

              • “It might interest you to know that Churchill later regretted the bombing campaigns.” really? where did he say it? source please. Of course, it doesn’t surprise me. Churchill changed his mind and his allegiances with the weather, or rather, by who’s pay he was in. Witness his 1920 essays on “Jewish Bolshevism” and his flattering comments on one A. Hitler in 1933 and contrast them to his later path post 1935 when he became the recipient of oodles of Jewish money. See also his Tory, Liberal, Tory political career, and the fact that most Conservatives despised him, especially in the late 30s and early war years. His only real support came from Labour and the Liberals.

                Churchill was the consummate loser–everything he touched turned to shite…Gallipoli in the 1st war, The Naval treaties in the interwar years, Poland, Narvik, Crete, Mers-el-Kebir, Dakar, and ultimately the entire British Empire itself, bankrupted and lost because of his insane warmongering antics against the one nation who wanted to maintain it, Germany, and allying himself with the 2 powers who wished to destroy it, the USA and the USSR.

                That’s nice that he (allegedly) expressed regret; I’m sure the 600,000 plus dead Germans as well as the tens of thousands of dead French, Belgians, and others would feel better knowing that had they not been incinerated in the campaign he launched and the multiple peace offers he declined. Maybe if a few of these 90-something Germans on trial would “express regret”, The Jews would leave them in peace? Hmmm…methinks not.

                Comment by Schlageter — March 3, 2016 @ 9:55 am

                • “It might interest you to know that Churchill later regretted the bombing campaigns.”

                  ” really? where did he say it? source please.”

                  See Moral Combat by Michael Burleigh. After the bombing of Dresden Churchill began to question the bombing campaign.

                  “Of course, it doesn’t surprise me. Churchill changed his mind and his allegiances with the weather, or rather, by who’s pay he was in. Witness his 1920 essays on “Jewish Bolshevism” and his flattering comments on one A. Hitler in 1933 and contrast them to his later path post 1935 when he became the recipient of oodles of Jewish money. See also his Tory, Liberal, Tory political career, and the fact that most Conservatives despised him, especially in the late 30s and early war years. His only real support came from Labour and the Liberals.”

                  I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said.

                  “Churchill was the consummate loser–everything he touched turned to shite…Gallipoli in the 1st war, The Naval treaties in the interwar years, Poland, Narvik, Crete, Mers-el-Kebir, Dakar, and ultimately the entire British Empire itself, bankrupted and lost because of his insane warmongering antics against the one nation who wanted to maintain it, Germany, and allying himself with the 2 powers who wished to destroy it, the USA and the USSR.”

                  Yet, at the end it was Hitler blowing his revolver while Berlin burned around him.

                  Also, Churchill wasn’t in power when Britain declared war on Germany, Chamberlain was.
                  Chamberlain was in the position he was in because he realized he couldn’t trust Hitler, that public opinion turned against him once Hitler violated the Munich Agreement.

                  “That’s nice that he (allegedly) expressed regret; I’m sure the 600,000 plus dead Germans as well as the tens of thousands of dead French, Belgians, and others would feel better knowing that had they not been incinerated in the campaign he launched”

                  I’ve always wondered, is it only the Allied bombing campaign that was evil?
                  The Germans also bombed cities in Poland, Britain, Yugoslavia, the Netherlands, the USSR, etc. The Luftwaffe lacked a truly heavy bomber otherwise I’m sure they would have done the same thing the allies did. Isn’t that the same?

                  “and the multiple peace offers he declined.”

                  Again, why on earth would Churchill trust Hitler’s good intentions?

                  “Maybe if a few of these 90-something Germans on trial would “express regret”, The Jews would leave them in peace? Hmmm…methinks not.”

                  Oh, so these trials are happening in Isreal. I thought they were happening in Germany.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 3, 2016 @ 12:55 pm

            • dr kim wrote: “As far as I know Eisenhower decided in a written order (copy available) to deny Germaan soldiers their POW status.”

              Indeed. The DEF for Disarmed Enemy Forces, a trick devised by ‘The Terrible Swedish Jew’ to quench his thrist for German blood.

              ‘God I hate the Germans.’ – Gen. Eisenhower, letter to his wife, September 1944.

              Comment by hermie — March 2, 2016 @ 3:12 pm

              • “Indeed. The DEF for Disarmed Enemy Forces, a trick devised by ‘The Terrible Swedish Jew’ to quench his thrist for German blood.”

                What Swedish Jew?

                Comment by Jeff K. — March 2, 2016 @ 4:00 pm

                • General Dwight D. Eisenhower was known as “the terrible Swedish Jew.”

                  I blogged about him on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/07/03/general-dwight-d-eisenhower-the-things-i-saw-beggar-description/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 2, 2016 @ 4:42 pm

                • Eisenhower was “the terrible Swedish Jew.” He came up with the idea of the DEF so that he would not have to follow the rules with regard to German soldiers who had surrendered. I wrote about the DEF on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/eisenhowers-death-camps-a-stain-on-american-history/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 2, 2016 @ 4:55 pm

                • You know, Mr Jeff, I am totally new here and of course I am not American and can barely make myself understood in English. So I was for instance puzzled by the word ‘homeboy’. Ishould have looked it up. I understand it has something to do with negroes, as you hinted.
                  I do know the word ‘houseboy’. That is the kind of servant that you have in Pakistan or other countries where it is unusual for women to work in another home.

                  I’d be delighted to show you pictures and texts of the atrocities of American officers against well educated German army doctors for instance. We know of what American soldiers did in fairly recent years and it is not unusual in war situations, but from what I read in again another European language the Americans were very good at it.

                  I think that if you put in some effort, just typing in Eisenhower, you would get very far. If you type in the German word,that another contributor suggested, it will get you farther. I forgot it.
                  But it had something to do with meadows along the river Rhein – guessing Rheinwiesen(an)lage.

                  I also started with Eisenhower and it all popped up quickly, also the document, his written field order of which many copies must exist. And indeed, if you follow his orders – and why wouldn’t you? -and keep boys and men in just standing space and deprive them of food and water they will perish quickly, I think in 2or 3 days. The pictures thereof are of good quality. Of course the Americans had better material than we had in Europe at that time. On the other hand I would call the starvation as a method as rather primitive. Yes, under the circumstances in muddy land three days might do it. I appreciate Eisenhowers order not to admit The Red Cross. They would have objected. If I remember well Eisenhower’s order also included civilians. Can that be? They were to be shot on the spot if they helped the prisoners in any way.
                  Sorry for the typos and it’s bedtime now.

                  Come to think of it, this sort of thing would nowadays probaly be called a war crime?
                  But I can tell you this – and it may be interesting for your thesis – if it has been done once you will find other instances easily. One of his co-generals seems actually have set some of Eisenhower’captives free. Was it Bradley? No, Patton. Forgive me but they are not household words for me,

                  Quite another thing my order of Assam Tea came in Monday from Delhi, India, where I had ordered it on Friday. Bahat Achha! Shahbaz!.

                  Comment by dr kim — March 2, 2016 @ 5:22 pm

                • You can read about American soldiers killing prisoners of war on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/91-year-old-wwii-veteran-breaks-his-silence-about-the-dachau-massacre/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 2, 2016 @ 5:30 pm

                • You wrote: “can barely make myself understood in English.” Don’t put yourself down. Most people would have assumed that you are American, if you had not told us that you are not American.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 2, 2016 @ 6:06 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “What Swedish Jew?”

                  As furtherglory explained above, I was referring to Eisenhower/Eisenhaur and his nick name at West Point.

                  Eisenhower’s West Point yearbook

                  Comment by hermie — March 3, 2016 @ 3:32 am

              • I have actually talked with one of the DEF soldiers in Eisenhower’s death camp. He was only 17 years old. One of the American soldiers guarding the camp allowed him to escape, and he made his way home. He said that the prisoners were given dried peas to eat, with no water to wash them down. The dried peas were from the German soldiers’ rations. He said that bystanders were forbidden to bring food to the prisoners. Eisenhower treated the Germany soldiers as badly as he possibly could.

                Eisenhower’s camp was near a river and the prisoners had to look at the river as they ate their dried peas with no water. That is the story of America’s most beloved general who is an American hero.

                Comment by furtherglory — March 2, 2016 @ 5:05 pm

  4. Be careful. Next thing they’ll be wanting a holo rememberance day. They already recognize “Kwanza” on the calander.

    Comment by Tim — March 2, 2016 @ 10:45 am

  5. Wouldn’t it make more sense to say that Anne Franks Diary IS Holocaust Denial?
    Think about it if they are going to say the holocaust was a real event in history….then anything that goes against real history as does the Official Jewish Version does, then I would say it’s true blue “Holocaust Denial” or denial of the real facts.
    They can call it any name they want (Holocaust, Shoah, ) but if the facts don’t line up with reality then they are first rate deniers of this event whatever it’s called.

    Jim Rizoli
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    Comment by jrizoli — March 2, 2016 @ 10:34 am

  6. Elie Wiesel’s “Night” contains some pretty good fodder for Holocaust denial, too.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — March 2, 2016 @ 10:15 am


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