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March 5, 2016

Rudolf Höss is back in the news

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — furtherglory @ 11:09 am

Rudolf Höss was the commandant of the Auschwitz-Birkenau extermination camp, in case you didn’t know.

The following quote is from a recent news article about him which you can read in full at http://aleteia.org/2016/03/04/how-the-commandant-of-auschwitz-found-gods-mercy/

Begin quote from news article:

Those who survived Auschwitz called the man in charge an “animal.” Rudolf Höss presided over the extermination of some 2.5 million prisoners in the three years he was commandant of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. Another half a million died there from disease and starvation. A year after his tenure came to an end, he returned to oversee the execution of 400,000 Hungarian Jews.

And yet even an “animal” such as he was not beyond the reach of God’s mercy.

End quote

So according to this news article, the current director of the Auschwitz-Birkenau memorial site is lying when he claims that only 1.1 million Jews were killed at Auschwitz-Birkenau. It was actually more than twice that many.
Rudolf Hoess is the man on the right

Rudolf Hoess is the man on the right

In the photo above, Heinrich Himmler is the man on the left.  These two men were responsible for killing 2.5 million Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau  — or was it only 1.1 million?  The story of the Holocaust is ever changing; I can’t keep up with it any more.

Rudolf Hoess after he was captured and tortured by the British

Rudolf Hoess after he was captured and tortured by the British

Rudolf Höss, aka Rudolf Hoess, the Commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau, was arrested by the British near Flensburg, Schleswig- Holstein, Germany on March 11, 1946.

After the British beat a confession out of him, Hoess was turned over to the Supreme National Tribunal in Poland on May 25, 1946.

Hoess was put on trial in 1947; he was convicted and sentenced to be hanged. His execution took place at the main Auschwitz camp on April 16, 1947. Three months later, the former camps at Auschwitz and Birkenau officially became the Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum.

Flensburg was the place where Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler had established himself in the last days of World War II; he had told his SS men “Save yourself, if you can.”

While he awaited trial in Poland, Rudolf Hoess wrote his memoirs, which were later published in a book with the title Death Dealer.

Hoess wrote the following in his memoirs:

Begin quote

I took the name Seamen Franz Lang and traveled with marching orders to the Navel Intelligence School on the Isle of Sylt. […] The Naval Intelligence School was dismantled and transported to the internment area between the Kiel Canal and the Schlei River. […] I was released very early and passed all the British checkpoints and through the employment office without any problems. I got a job on a farm near Flensburg as a laborer.

End quote

The British were able to find Rudolf Hoess, after he had been on the farm for eight months. They had contacted his family and threatened to turn his son over to the Soviet Union to be sent to Siberia unless they revealed his hiding place.

On page 179 of Death Dealer, Hoess described his arrest and interrogation by the British.

The following quote is from the book entitled “Death Dealer,” edited by Steven Paskuly and first published in 1992:

Begin quote

On March 11, 1946, at 11 p.m., I was arrested. My vial of poison had broken just two days before. The arrest was successful because I was frightened at being awakened out of a sound sleep. I assumed that it was a robbery because there were a lot of them occurring in the area.

I was treated terribly by the [British] Field Security Police. I was dragged to Heide and, of all places, to the same military barracks from which I had been released eight months before by the British. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear. The whip was my own. By chance it had found its way into my wife’s luggage. My horse had hardly ever been touched by it, much less the prisoners. Somehow one of the interrogators probably thought that I had constantly used it to whip the prisoners.

After a few days I was taken to Minden on the Weser River, which was the main interrogation center in the British zone. There they treated me even more roughly, especially the first British prosecutor, who was a major. The conditions in the jail reflected the attitude of the first prosecutor.

Surprisingly, after three weeks I was shaved, my hair was cut, and I was allowed to wash myself. My handcuffs had not been opened since my arrest. The next day, I was taken by car to Nuremberg together with a prisoner of war who had been brought over from London as a witness in Fritsche’s defense. Compared to where I had been before, imprisonment with the IMT [International Military Tribunal] was like staying in a health spa.

End quote

Here is some background information on Rudolf Hoess:

In 1923, Rudolf Höss was involved in the political murder of Walter Kadow, who was alleged to have betrayed Nazi party member Leo Schlageter to the French occupation authorities. He was sentenced to ten years in prison. One of his accomplices was Martin Bormann, Hitler’s future deputy, who subsequently protected him at a later stage in his career.

Höss was released under the Amnesty Law of 14 July 1928, after having served less than half of his sentence, and for the next six years, he worked as a farmer in Brandenburg and Pomerania in various service groups.

In 1934, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler invited Höss to join the SS and, in June of the same year, he was posted to the concentration camp at Dachau, as a block overseer.

Höss was transferred to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp in 1938, where he was promoted to SS Captain and given the job of Adjutant to the Commandant. Two years later, Höss was appointed the first Commandant of the Auschwitz concentration camp on 1 May 1940. Höss held this position until 1 December 1943 when he was replaced by Arthur Liebehenschel, who became the new Commandant of Auschwitz I.

Höss visited Chelmno in September 1942 and he also visited the Treblinka death camp; in Lublin, he met Odilo Globocnik, who was in charge of the “Aktion Reinhard” program.

In November 1943, Höss was made the head of the number one branch of Amstgruppe D of the WVHA, later becoming the deputy of Richard Glücks, the Inspector ­ General of Concentration Camps. Höss returned to Auschwitz on 8 May 1944 to oversee the alleged extermination of the Hungarian Jews.

Affidavit signed by Commandant Rudolf Hoess, May 14, 1946 Photo Credit: USHMM, courtesy of Josef Maier

Affidavit signed by Commandant Rudolf Hoess, May 14, 1946
Photo Credit: USHMM, courtesy of Josef Maier

On May 14, 1946, the former Commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau, Rudolf Höss, also known as Rudolf Hoess, signed a sworn affidavit in which he stated that two million Jews had been gassed at Auschwitz-Birkenau between 1941 and 1943 while he was the Commandant. This did not include the period, during which Hoess was not the Commandant, when over 300,000 Hungarian Jews were gassed during a period of 10 weeks in the Summer of 1944, according to the Auschwitz Museum.

The English translation of the German text in the affidavit reads: “I declare herewith under oath that in the years 1941 to 1943 during my tenure in office as commandant of Auschwitz Concentration Camp 2 million Jews were put to death by gassing and a 1/2 million by other means. Rudolf Hoess. May 14, 1946.”

The confession was signed by Hoess and by Josef Maier of the US Chief of Counsel’s office.

The original affidavit, signed by Rudolf Hoess, is displayed in a glass case in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC. The photo that is displayed, along with the affidavit, shows Hungarian Jewish women and children walking to one of the four gas chambers in the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp on May 26, 1944, carrying their hand baggage in sacks.

Photo in the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC

Photo in the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC shows Jews walking to the gas chamber

All you Holocaust deniers, take note.  The photo above proves that the Jews were gassed; the photo shows the Jews as they walk to the gas chamber, carrying their bundles.

The caption underneath the photo, at the Museum, reads:

“On May 14, 1946, Rudolf Hoess, the former commandant of Auschwitz, signed a declaration stating that during his tenure in office, 2 million Jews had been gassed at Auschwitz and another 500,000 killed in other ways. Hoess overestimated the number of Jews gassed by about 1 million.”

It has been several years since I visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC. The photo and the text beneath it might have changed since my visit.  There have been allegations that this confession was obtained from Rudolf Hoess by means of torture. The Museum should mention that.

Rupert Butler wrote in his book entitled Legions of Death, published by Arrow Books in London in 1983, that Rudolf Hoess had been beaten for three days by a British team of torturers under the command of Jewish interrogator Bernard Clarke. I don’t know if visitors to the Holocaust Museum are told this important information.

75 Comments »

  1. “I have not doubt that some of the Jews funneled through the DP camps were illegally sent to Isreal.”

    Of course you don’t doubt this because you want to keep the pretext up that Palestine was where Holocaust survivors ended up at the end of the war.

    Jews went everywhere before, during and after the war. They were off loaded in Nova Scotia, Cuba, Mexico, South America and the Dominican Republic, not to mention China. Junior senator from Texas Lyndon Johnson was selling U.S. passports out of his office. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Texas. If there was a buck in it, you can bet other legislators were probably in the same business. Vivian Fry and other “Rghteous Among the Nations” with trees named for them in Tel Aviv and plaques all over Europe facillitated the “2nd Exodus.”

    The Romania government under Marshall Antonescu was collecting money per head from Mossad travel agents in Bucharest who were booking steerage for Jews from everywhere in Europe on boats sailing from Constanta under false flags to false destinations. The Struma which joined the sinking of SS Patria laden with Jewish refugees 15 months earlier was torpedoed by Soviet submarines. Yes, the St. Louis was turned back in Havana harbor, but how many other ships onloaded their human cargo there?

    Here’s Eric Koch plugging his book about being interned in Britain and then in Canada with other stateless European Jewish refugees. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FenkImYFjc

    FDR’s son-in-law Curtis B. Dahl writes about Jews from the DP camps arriving in New York carrying suitcases stuffed with American occupation German deutchmarks printed from the plates U.S. Treasury Secretary Harry Dexter White (aka Harry? Magilewski) was caught passing to the Soviets.

    More Irrelevant information that doesn’t explain what happened to Hungarians transited through the OR camps, but it adds a little something to clearing away the sanctimonious smoke being blown up everyone’s ass by the Holocaust industry.

    Comment by who dares wings — March 7, 2016 @ 12:53 pm

    • Talk about blowing smoke up someone’s ass…..

      In other words you don’t know and don’t have an explanation on where the the Jews were transported if they didn’t die.

      Here’s the thing:
      I don’t care what happened to the Jews AFTER the war. I want to know what happened to them DURING the war.
      If they didn’t die then the Germans transported them somewhere. WHERE?
      The mass transports of Polish Jews began in 1942.
      Nobody sane disputes that.
      They were transported to the OR camps.
      Nobody sane disputes that. There are of course exceptions, some went to labor camps or concentration camps.
      In addition to Polish Jews the Germans deported Jews from France, Macedonia, the Netherlands, etc.
      In the Summer of 1944 the Germans deported Jews from Hungaria.
      If we are saying these camps are transit camps then there is a location (or locations) they were sent TOO.

      I need to know where. That’s all.
      There has to be a paper trail. Or witnesses.

      Let me know.
      Or, admit there is no evidence.

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 7, 2016 @ 1:21 pm

  2. “Hoess had been certainly better in prison as he and his men treated the Auschwitz inmates. USA and British investigators certainly were profesisonally far behind the level of GESTAPO or NKWD men. In his memories – first part – he explained who he joined the Nazis; very interesting.”

    Here’s a video reminiscence of an American interrogator from Camp Ritchie, Maryland where 9,000 (mostly Jewish) European refugees were trained by the U.S. Army Dept. Psychological Warfare and sent back to Germany as interrogators. In the Q. and A afterwards he gets pre-emptively defensive about torture despite the fact no one in the audience asks him about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cN-xEcHFt8 The British Brigade was an all Jewish unit containing some British Mandate Palestinians who hunted down Nazi POWS and murdered them. http://www.amazon.com/The-Brigade-Story-Vengeance-Salvation/dp/006093283X Joseph Halow, a U.S. Army court reporter at the Dachau trials wrote in his book Innocent at Dachau that U.S. Army interrogators (trained either at Camp Ritchie, Maryland or the Camp Sharpe Annex in Gettysburg) murdered POWS with impunity. The U.S. Army used films to train soldiers, many of whom either couldn’t read at all, or who had low level (middle school or below) reading skills. Hollywood filmmkers attached to the Dept. of Psychological Warfare SHAEF seeded training films and newsreels with German and Japanese atrocity propaganda filmed on movie sets in New York and at the Lookout Mountain Air Force base in Laurel Canyon, CA. Here’s an newspaper item about the director of the March of Time newsreels Jack Glenn who used a sound stage on Staten Island to made some of those History Channel favorites – You know, Lodz ghetto Jews down on their knees mowing Nazi lawns with their teeth. http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/fake/GlennObit.html

    Comment by who dares wings — March 6, 2016 @ 10:23 am

  3. Where did the Jews go if they weren’t murdered somehow (revisionists David Irving, David Cole-Stein and Mark Weber believe up to 2 million were dispatched in the Reinhardt Camps, but have never announced how they think this was done)…

    “The prevailing denier answer when asked where the Jews went is pure speculation. Allegedly there was some sort of camp system in the USSR that the Jews were sent to but no one knows where the camps were, when they were set up or who commanded them.
    Naturally this makes no sense for the Hungarian Jews as the Nazis no longer had access to the USSR.
    So, I look forward to your reply.”

    To begin to answer the question one clue to this puzzle is story of British General Fredrick Morgan who was relieved of his command overseeing the post-war DP camps in occupied Germany by the Mayor of NewYork City, Fiorello LaGuardia at the behest of the WJC (World Jewish Congress). He blew the whistle on Jews returning from Russia where they had been moved behind the Urals by the Soviets and being passed off by an alphabet soup of American Jewish NGOs dealing with DPs as Nazi Holocaust survivors. A decent consolidation of information about this “scandal” can be found here: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=8948.

    In the Shadow of the Holocaust: the Struggle Between Jews and Zionists in the Aftermath of WWII by Yosef Grodinsky is one of many books that cover the story of Jews in the Displaced Persons camps and their forced role in the founding of Israel. http://www.amazon.com/In-Shadow-Holocaust-Struggle-Aftermath/dp/156751278X.

    re. Höess at Nuremburg. After V-E Day in 1945, General Lucius D. Clay asked Lt. Colonel Mickey Marcus to serve on his staff in the occupation of Germany. Marcus was in charge of providing for the millions of displaced persons in Germany. In 1946, he was named chief of the Army’s War Crimes Division in Washington, planning legal and security procedures for the Nuremberg trials and the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal. He attended the Nuremberg trials, making sure that Nazi crimes were thoroughly documented. After the trials, he was offered promotion to Brigadier General, but instead he elected to…return to civilian life, change his name and uniform and sneak off to the Middle East to fight with the Palmach, or the Irgun, or whaterver Zionist terrorist group was slaughtering Brits and Palestinians there and lead the state of Israel’s first army.

    Marcus’ grave is the only one in the West Point Cemetery at the United States Military Academy for an American killed fighting under the flag of another country (Israel); he was still eligible for interment there because of his previous service in the US Army. “Thanks Jews!”

    Comment by who dares wings — March 6, 2016 @ 9:18 am

    • “Where did the Jews go if they weren’t murdered somehow (revisionists David Irving, David Cole-Stein and Mark Weber believe up to 2 million were dispatched in the Reinhardt Camps, but have never announced how they think this was done)…”

      For the curious, I have included a link with Cole’s current views:
      http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/5335

      “The prevailing denier answer when asked where the Jews went is pure speculation. Allegedly there was some sort of camp system in the USSR that the Jews were sent to but no one knows where the camps were, when they were set up or who commanded them.
      Naturally this makes no sense for the Hungarian Jews as the Nazis no longer had access to the USSR.
      So, I look forward to your reply.”

      “To begin to answer the question one clue to this puzzle is story of British General Fredrick Morgan who was relieved of his command overseeing the post-war DP camps in occupied Germany by the Mayor of NewYork City, Fiorello LaGuardia at the behest of the WJC (World Jewish Congress). He blew the whistle on Jews returning from Russia where they had been moved behind the Urals by the Soviets”

      What Jews? Were these Soviet Jews, Polish Jews, Hungarian Jews?
      This is not specific.

      “and being passed off by an alphabet soup of American Jewish NGOs dealing with DPs as Nazi Holocaust survivors. A decent consolidation of information about this “scandal” can be found here: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=8948.”

      I’ve read the posts on CODOH.
      It still doesn’t answer any questions.
      I have not doubt that some of the Jews funneled through the DP camps were illegally sent to Isreal.

      “In the Shadow of the Holocaust: the Struggle Between Jews and Zionists in the Aftermath of WWII by Yosef Grodinsky is one of many books that cover the story of Jews in the Displaced Persons camps and their forced role in the founding of Israel. http://www.amazon.com/In-Shadow-Holocaust-Struggle-Aftermath/dp/156751278X.”

      Again no doubt in my mind that many of the living Jews went to Isreal both legally and illegally.

      “re. Höess at Nuremburg. After V-E Day in 1945, General Lucius D. Clay asked Lt. Colonel Mickey Marcus to serve on his staff in the occupation of Germany. Marcus was in charge of providing for the millions of displaced persons in Germany. In 1946, he was named chief of the Army’s War Crimes Division in Washington, planning legal and security procedures for the Nuremberg trials and the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal. He attended the Nuremberg trials, making sure that Nazi crimes were thoroughly documented. After the trials, he was offered promotion to Brigadier General, but instead he elected to…return to civilian life, change his name and uniform and sneak off to the Middle East to fight with the Palmach, or the Irgun, or whaterver Zionist terrorist group was slaughtering Brits and Palestinians there and lead the state of Israel’s first army.”

      That’s nice, but irrelevant.

      “Marcus’ grave is the only one in the West Point Cemetery at the United States Military Academy for an American killed fighting under the flag of another country (Israel); he was still eligible for interment there because of his previous service in the US Army. “Thanks Jews!”

      Again, irrelevant.

      Let me break this down for you:

      The first large scale deportations of Polish Jews occurred in the Spring and Summer of 1942.

      According to denier mythology these Jews transited through Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka then went East.
      Where?
      Cole actually lists some transports sent through to Belorussia to labor camps.
      He makes a very good point in stating that the number was very small and could not account for the total numbers of Jews sent through the OR camps. Also, these Polish Jews were definitely laborers and did not include women, children or the elderly.

      Also, this does not account for the Hungarian Jews sent to Birkenau in the Summer of 1944.

      If the OR camps were transit camps then we should have transit schedules to the areas they went to. Same thing for the Hungarian Jews.
      We have nothing of the sort.

      We should have the names of German commanders of some sort of camp system in the East. No one has provided this (the Germans would have evacuated those commanders before the Soviets captured those camps).
      We should have the testimony of German guards….or others detailing these camps.
      Nothing that I know of details this.

      So, tossing in irrelevant information fails to hide the fact that you still have nothing.

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 7, 2016 @ 10:06 am

      • I wrote about the Operation Reinhard camps being transit camps on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/the-story-of-treblinka-transit-camp-or-extermination-center/

        Comment by furtherglory — March 7, 2016 @ 10:19 am

        • Jeff where did the Jews go if they weren’t exterminated seems to be your big question…..
          My simple answer is most of them survived……where?, all over the world….not our job to locate them.
          But they sure in hell show up to collect the reparations welfare…..LOL Sometimes two or three times.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — March 7, 2016 @ 10:29 am

          • “Jeff where did the Jews go if they weren’t exterminated seems to be your big question…..
            My simple answer is most of them survived……where?, all over the world….not our job to locate them.”

            I’m not asking you to locate survivors.

            What I want to know is this:
            If the OR camps were transit camps, where were the Jews transported?
            That’s not hard, is it?
            Surely you don’t want me to believe that the trains simply dumped the Jews behind the lines?
            That’s a massive security risk to have some 2 million Jews wandering around, a large percentage of them women and children.
            Not mention that this was during a large military operation. Or the fact that there was a partisan war going on at the same time.
            If the Nazis set up camps, what were their locations?
            Who commanded them?

            That’s all I need to know.

            “But they sure in hell show up to collect the reparations welfare…..LOL Sometimes two or three times.”

            Be SPECIFIC, Jim.
            What reparations? What year? How many people were paid?

            Jeff

            Comment by Jeff K. — March 7, 2016 @ 10:50 am

          • jrizoli. The reparation payments permit many survivors just to survive. You, as usual, defame people who passed through very painfull events and show only pure anti-Semitism, deep ignorance and great lack of manners.

            Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 8, 2016 @ 10:19 am

      • So, tossing in irrelevant information fails to hide the fact that you still have nothing.

        It’s just unbelievable — and after what I told you — this is why it is so difficult to treat you with respect — you cannot acknowledge even the simple points that ‘deniers’ do not have to explain what happened to missing Jews in order to find the extermination story impossible to believe — that it is up to ‘true believers’ to provide the convincing evidence, to prove ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’, that the Germans are guilty of this crime — what is so difficult to understand about that?!

        Stop insisting that ‘deniers’ explain what happened to allegedly missing, random, unnamed Jews — it is senseless and idiotic.

        Comment by eah — March 7, 2016 @ 12:45 pm

        • “It’s just unbelievable — and after what I told you — this is why it is so difficult to treat you with respect — you cannot acknowledge even the simple points that ‘deniers’ do not have to explain what happened to missing Jews in order to find the extermination story impossible to believe”

          No, but in order to make your theories believable you have to provide a viable option for the Jews deported by the Germans during the war.
          Then you have to prove that option is viable.
          For instance, by proving that the Jews were transported to a location and held there without being executed.

          “— that it is up to ‘true believers’ to provide the convincing evidence, to prove ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’, that the Germans are guilty of this crime — what is so difficult to understand about that?!”

          Not all Germans were guilty of these crimes. Stop saying that because it is not true.
          Would you honestly believe any proof that I or anyone else provides?
          I always link or quote any evidence that I give you or anyone else. When I have done so the replies I get are:
          It’s all lies.
          It’s wrong.
          It’s propaganda.
          It’s forged.

          “Stop insisting that ‘deniers’ explain what happened to allegedly missing, random, unnamed Jews — it is senseless and idiotic.”

          No, it’s not. I’m only insisting on the same standards YOU require.
          If the prevailing “revisionist” theory is that the Germans deported Jews to camps or locations inside the USSR then I expect evidence. Not guesses or “well, logically that’s the only thing that could have happened to them.”

          Why is this unreasonable?

          SOMETHING happened to Europe’s Jews.
          Prevailing history is that the Nazis used various means to murder 5-6 million Jews.
          “Revisionists” say that is not the case.

          But the Nazis did deport large numbers of Jews during the war. That is indisputable. So, what happened to them?

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 7, 2016 @ 1:53 pm

          • You wrote: “If the prevailing “revisionist” theory is that the Germans deported Jews to camps or locations inside the USSR then I expect evidence.”

            I wrote about this on one of my blog posts: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/the-trains-that-traveled-west-to-treblinka/

            This quote is from my blog post:

            As the map on the USHMM web site shows, the territory east of Bialystok is Belarus, which Americas used to call White Russia. Also to the east of Bialystok is the section of Poland that was given to the Soviet Union after the joint conquest of Poland by the Germans and the Soviet Union in September 1939. This part of Poland, which had formerly been occupied by the Russians between 1772 and 1917, was now under the control of Germany. The Nazis claimed that their plan was to send the Jews into this territory.

            When railroad lines were built in the 19th century, the width of the tracks was standardized in America and western Europe, but the tracks in Russia and eastern Poland were a different gauge. Bialystok is the end of the line for Western railroad tracks in Poland; this is as far east as trains can go without changing the wheels on the rail cars to fit the tracks in Russia.

            In June 1941, the German Army had invaded the Soviet Union. By the time that the Operation Reinhard camps were set up in 1942, German troops had advanced a thousand kilometers into Russia. The plan was to transport the Jews as far as the Bug river and kill them in gas chambers, then claim that they had been “transported to the East.” There was no gas chamber in Bialystok so the Jews in the Bialystok ghetto were transported west to Treblinka in order to kill them.

            What else could the Nazis have done at Treblinka? Maybe put a pontoon bridge across the Bug river and send the Jews into the former Soviet territory? But if the plan was to send all the Jews into Russia, why not just send them to the east from Bialystok? Maybe the Nazis didn’t want to send the Bialystok Jews as a separate group, but wanted to keep the Jews together when they were “transported to the East.”

            When Germany began offering reparations to the Jews for the Holocaust, there were many Jews who claimed reparations but were rejected because they had come from Russia to Germany after the war. According to the official history of the Holocaust, these people were dead, so they could not claim reparations from Germany.

            Now there are ads on TV asking for donations for the Holocaust survivors in Russia. There is no mention of how these survivors got there, but the scene in the ad, that shows the tattoo on the arm of one of the Holocaust survivors in Russia, has recently been deleted from the ad.

            Comment by furtherglory — March 7, 2016 @ 2:43 pm

            • “What else could the Nazis have done at Treblinka? Maybe put a pontoon bridge across the Bug river and send the Jews into the former Soviet territory?”

              Before the Germans invaded the Soviet Union Jews from the German half of Poland did cross.
              Oddly, they then tried to cross back when the Soviets persecuted them as Polish citizens.

              “But if the plan was to send all the Jews into Russia, why not just send them to the east from Bialystok? Maybe the Nazis didn’t want to send the Bialystok Jews as a separate group, but wanted to keep the Jews together when they were “transported to the East.”

              Isn’t that counterproductive? Why would you send Jews WEST if the plan was for them to go EAST?

              I’ve read all of your posts about the Reinhard Camps….well, maybe not all.
              I still don’t see any proof that the camps were transit camps.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 7, 2016 @ 7:20 pm

              • Jeff… you might not think they were transit camps but they definitely were not execution camps.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — March 7, 2016 @ 7:23 pm

                • Then what were they?

                  http://military.wikia.com/wiki/H%C3%B6fle_Telegram

                  The Hoefle telegram lists 1.2 million “transited” to these camps. But there’s no exit list from these camps, only to them.

                  The camps were too small to absorb this amount of people, Jim.
                  Only Majdanek was big enough, but even it received the LOWEST amount of people on this list.

                  So, what should I conclude from this information?

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 7, 2016 @ 7:36 pm

                • Jeff… obviously I’m going to conclude something different than you and you are going to conclude something opposite than me it all comes down to what you’re comfortable with and what you feel makes sense.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 7, 2016 @ 7:42 pm

  4. Hoess had been certainly better in prison as he and his men treated the Auschwitz inmates. USA and British investigators certainly were profesisonally far behind the level of GESTAPO or NKWD men. In his memories – first part – he explained who he joined the Nazis; very interesting.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 6, 2016 @ 1:24 am

  5. Why didn’t you quote that part…?

    I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear.

    Comment by eah — March 5, 2016 @ 2:37 pm

  6. Here’s film of Rudolf Höess testifying at Nuremburg about the Führer Order (the non-existant command to exterminate Jews given by Hitler). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANEYUQ22VSE. Why was he then turned over to the Supreme National Tribunal in Poland and hanged there1947? Did the kosher dill sandwich stackers, who were the real power behind the scene at the Nuremburg media spectacle, renege on some oleaginous deal they cut with the poor man to sing like a canary in the witness stand at Nuremburg” http://www.rense.com/general90/behind.htm

    Comment by who dares wings — March 5, 2016 @ 1:56 pm

    • “Why was he then turned over to the Supreme National Tribunal in Poland and hanged there1947? Did the kosher dill sandwich stackers, who were the real power behind the scene at the Nuremburg media spectacle, renege on some oleaginous deal they cut with the poor man to sing like a canary in the witness stand at Nuremberg?”

      First, kudos on the whole “kosher dill sandwich stacker” comment. That was an amusing new spin on the rather old and tired anti-Semetic tirades I normally see.

      Second, there was some discussion at Nuremberg at giving Hoess a deal in return for his testimony but it was decided not to.

      However, if you have evidence otherwise I want to see it. If this is more speculation like the whole “well, the Nazis didn’t gas the Jews but we can’t tell you what happened to them” don’t bother.

      However, maybe YOU know.

      The prevailing denier answer when asked where the Jews went is pure speculation. Allegedly there was some sort of camp system in the USSR that the Jews were sent to but no one knows where the camps were, when they were set up or who commanded them.
      Naturally this makes no sense for the Hungarian Jews as the Nazis no longer had access to the USSR.
      So, I look forward to your reply.
      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 5, 2016 @ 2:35 pm

      • don’t bother

        Fuck off, prick — considering how goddamn stupid you are, your know-it-all tone is laughable.

        Let me explain something to you: no one has to spend one minute of their time proving/explaining anything to you, including/especially something as ridiculous as what happened to random, unnamed Jews — there’s a ‘Wall of the Missing’ at the American cemetery in Normandy with over 1500 names on it: what happened to them? — members of highly organized fighting units just disappeared — that’s what happens in the chaos of war: people disappear — re the ‘Holocaust’, the Germans are accused of a monstrous crime — it’s up to the accusers to provide proof of this crime — convincing proof, preferably including forensic evidence.

        Idiot.

        Comment by eah — March 5, 2016 @ 3:10 pm

        • “Fuck off, prick — considering how goddamn stupid you are, your know-it-all tone is laughable.”

          It’s funny when you lose your mind.

          That’s the eah that I like, cursing and whining like a spoiled little child.

          “Let me explain something to you: no one has to spend one minute of their time proving/explaining anything to you, including/especially something as ridiculous as what happened to random, unnamed Jews —”

          It’s hardly unnamed, random Jews.
          Besides the Jews the Nazis shot like dogs and then buried like trash, that’s a lot of Jews someone lost. Whole communities gone….vanished.

          there’s a ‘Wall of the Missing’ at the American cemetery in Normandy with over 1500 names on it: what happened to them? — members of highly organized fighting units just disappeared”

          There’s a big difference between 1500 men and some 2-3 million men, women and children.
          At least we know where those men started and where they vanished.

          “that’s what happens in the chaos of war: people disappear —”

          Again, that’s a lot of people that disappeared. You see, you can’t account for those numbers…anywhere.

          There’s no record regarding those people leaving Europe and going to Isreal, the United States, etc.

          “re the ‘Holocaust’, the Germans are accused of a monstrous crime — it’s up to the accusers to provide proof of this crime — convincing proof,
          preferably including forensic evidence.”

          You mean, guilty of a crime.
          Not all Germans were guilty of crimes, of course.
          The evidence is there. You refuse to see it or acknowledge it.

          “Idiot.”

          Back to the personal attacks.

          You see, eah, all I’m asking for is proof, something I can look at.
          The camp hypothesis is a denier hypothesis. Allegedly the Operation Reinhard Camps were transit camps.
          Fine.
          Prove it.
          Where did these transit camps go?
          I accept that Auschwitz-Birkenau-Monowitz was a concentration camp, a labor camp, a transit camp and an extermination camp.
          Deniers cut off the extermination camp part.
          Ok.
          The Hungarian Jews arrived in Birkenau in the Spring and Summer of 1944. History states that the majority was gassed, some were kept at Birkenau, some were sent on to other camps.
          Deniers state that no Hungarian Jews were gassed.
          Ok.
          Birkenau could not handle that amount of prisoners.
          If they didn’t die then the majority would be sent somewhere else.
          Where? What camps? What numbers?

          If you go against accepted history then it is up to YOU to prove what happened.

          It’s always nice talking to you, eah. Your bitchiness is always good for a laugh.

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 5, 2016 @ 3:40 pm

        • No?
          Nothing?
          Zippo?

          Ok.

          Since we have yet another denier fail I’ll have to conclude the whole “Transit Camp Theory” is complete bullshit.

          It goes for the Operation Reinhard Camps and Birkenau, though I’ll accept that some prisoners were transported from Birkenau to other camps. The majority died in the gas chambers, like it states in real history books written by real historians. Not like books written by deniers, who are all charlatans.
          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 5, 2016 @ 5:22 pm

          • Jeff…..We’re wrong. I guess…. but your 6 million HoloHoax and them disappering into thin air with NO trace makes more sense? Oh, Vey!
            Oh, by the way I interviewd Fritz Berg today (Nazigassings.com) will be putting the link up soon….Now they are saying it was gasoline fumes the people were killed with in Treblinka and the other Reinhardt camps…LOL
            Wait a few years and that will change….You do know they have changed their position on the death weapon many times…..Steam, Diesel, Zyclon, B and many more….
            Now good old gasoline fumes, who would of thought.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — March 5, 2016 @ 6:13 pm

            • “Jeff…..We’re wrong. I guess…. but your 6 million HoloHoax and them disappering into thin air with NO trace makes more sense? Oh, Vey!”

              Oh, I don’t know, Jim.
              Even deniers like Mattagono acknowledge there are mass graves at the OR camps. Their sputtering explanation on why all of those bodies are there don’t make a lot of sense…..but deniers don’t really make a lot of sense.
              Even David Cole acknowledges that the OR camps were death camps.
              Polish investigators in 1945 found ashes and ash heaps at the OR camps. They also found bone fragments and skeletons there.

              “Oh, by the way I interviewd Fritz Berg today (Nazigassings.com) will be putting the link up soon….”

              Hope ol’ Berg hasn’t bit any police lately.

              “Now they are saying it was gasoline fumes the people were killed with in Treblinka and the other Reinhardt camps…LOL”

              Only at Treblinka was there any mention of diesel fumes used to kill people. The other camps, Chelmno, Sobibor and Belzec, always used gasoline fumes.

              Treblinka had two different engines, one a diesel and one gasoline.
              Those witnesses actually in contact with the engines agreed that the gas engine was used for the executions.

              “Wait a few years and that will change….You do know they have changed their position on the death weapon many times…..Steam, Diesel, Zyclon, B and many more….”

              Even though the methods changed all agreed that the Jews died at the camps.
              Only one source I’ve ever seen alludes to Zyclon B being used at Treblinka.

              “Now good old gasoline fumes, who would of thought.”

              Well, gas fumes are dangerous, Jim.

              Next time you interview one of your “experts” feel free to ask them about these elusive “camps.”

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 5, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

              • For those looking for answers
                http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — March 5, 2016 @ 7:21 pm

                • Jim, Bible believers is a cesspool.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 5, 2016 @ 7:22 pm

                • You know, Jim, I think I need to say something.

                  We absolutely do not agree on this subject at all. However, you have never insulted me personally.
                  We both dig at each other but you’ve never specifically insulted me.
                  I appreciate this. Both eah and Schlageter specifically target me. Naturally I’m going to respond but you’ve never done this and I do appreciate it.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 5, 2016 @ 8:10 pm

                • Jeff….I respect you and all people and try not to make it personal.
                  If I do say something off color it’s done in jest not out of malice.
                  Here is the Fritz Berg interview I did today….pretty controversial to fellow revisionist.
                  Fritz has some issues with the main line Revisionist out there. I think it’s pretty petty but it seems like he has a grudge against them.
                  Not even the revisionsit can agree on all things…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 5, 2016 @ 8:43 pm

              • Jeff writes;- “Polish investigators in 1945 found ashes and ash heaps at the OR camps. They also found bone fragments and skeletons there.”

                OK – tell us exactly where these remains lie buried today. Precise locations, please.

                ………………….

                “Only at Treblinka was there any mention of diesel fumes used to kill people. The other camps, Chelmno, Sobibor and Belzec, always used gasoline fumes.”

                Well, let us summarize what the two main official Holocaust Memorial websites claim today about the method of gassing at Belzec. Sobibor and Treblinka.

                YAD VASHEM;-

                Belzec…..- ….. no gassing method is described ( it just says “poison gas” )
                Sobibor….- …………………………………….ditto……………………………………………
                Treblinka..-…… a diesel engine ( but does not specify that it was exhaust gas)

                US HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM;-

                Belzec……-…….carbon monoxide generated by diesel engines
                Sobibor…..-…………………………….ditto………………………………….
                Treblinka…-…………………………….ditto………………………………….

                It looks as though Vad Vashem has thrown in the towel about what kind of gassing method was used at Sobibor and Belzec – they should really have consulted Jeff, who has read so many books written by esteemed and distinguished historians that the information is literally coming out of his ears!

                ……………….

                “Treblinka had two different engines, one a diesel and one gasoline. Those witnesses actually in contact with the engines agreed that the gas engine was used for the executions.”

                But there were two sets of gas chambers at Treblinka. So what are you saying here, Jeff – was one set of chambers fed by a diesel engine, and the other by gasoline?

                Comment by Talbot — March 6, 2016 @ 4:52 am

                • “US HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM;-

                  Belzec……-…….carbon monoxide generated by diesel engines
                  Sobibor…..-…………………………….ditto………………………………….
                  Treblinka…-…………………………….ditto………………………………….

                  It looks as though Vad Vashem has thrown in the towel about what kind of gassing method was used at Sobibor and Belzec – they should really have consulted Jeff, who has read so many books written by esteemed and distinguished historians that the information is literally coming out of his ears!”

                  Actually I just consulted the USHM website.
                  https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005195

                  It just says “an engine installed pumped carbon monoxide,” it says nothing about diesel.

                  Perhaps I missed it.
                  If you can find the relevant passage that says “diesel” let me know.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 7, 2016 @ 10:31 am

                • Jeff You do know today they have put the diesel engine machines aside and now say gasoline engines were used producing carbon MONOXIDE…..
                  Even the HoloHuxster “experts” know the diesel story was bullshit.
                  When this tale doesn’t keep people s attention or takes too much heat they will invent something else.
                  They should of just used this lie (car exhaust) from the beginning…….then it would of been just one lie. But they figure no one is watching…

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 7, 2016 @ 10:48 am

              • Type in “Treblinka” and “Gassings Operations” on the USHMM website and it says the following;-

                “In 1942, systematic mass killing in stationary gas chambers (with carbon monoxide gas generated by diesel engines) began at Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka, all in Poland.”

                Comment by Talbot — March 7, 2016 @ 10:44 am

                • The poor old Holocaust establishment is still all over the place with their explanations of how the alleged gassings took place at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec. And they will continue to be – because the entire story is all made-up anyway, and thus they will never be able to settle on an agreed truthful account!

                  For many years, they were saying that it was fumes from the exhaust pipes of these engines that were fed into the chambers, but I note that in recent times they have quietly dropped this proposition, and claim instead that the engines were actually generating carbon-monoxide gas – thus suggesting that some kind of equipment for producing the gas with a pumping arrangement was attached to the engines. But they only imply this – they don’t actually spell it out, and so any young person being introduced to the holocaust today will not be aware that these monkeys were previously issuing an utterly risible account of the gassing operation – but had always been talking in technical terms.

                  Comment by Talbot — March 7, 2016 @ 11:31 am

                • One of these days they will get it straight…..
                  Steam, Diesel, Zyclon B, Gas engine, they like to keep people guessing. Doesn’t matter all of them are lies.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 7, 2016 @ 11:43 am

                • This is what I got, it’s the first link I saw.

                  https://www.ushmm.org/learn/timeline-of-events/1942-1945/gassing-operations-begin-at-treblinka

                  It’s an interview with Bomba.

                  Why don’t you give me a link for it?

                  The USHM link I added states carbon monoxide.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 7, 2016 @ 2:35 pm

                • Talbot on March 7, 2016 at 11:31 am
                  “The poor old Holocaust establishment is still all over the place with their explanations of how the alleged gassings took place at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec. And they will continue to be – because the entire story is all made-up anyway,”

                  And yet, somehow, deniers can’t come up with an alternate explanation they can prove.

                  Let me reiterate:

                  Me:
                  Ok, so, if the OR camps were transit camps, where did they transport the Jews to?

                  Deniers:
                  Um, well, we don’t know (followed by a bunch of sputtering bullshit about Jews leaving Europe at the end of the war).

                  Me:
                  Ok, so, you have no proof but you want me to take your word?

                  Deniers:
                  Yes!!!!!!!

                  Me:
                  Ok.
                  Thank you, but I think I will believe in actual history.

                  “and thus they will never be able to settle on an agreed truthful account!”

                  Well, no, all of the accounts agree that the Jews died.

                  “For many years, they were saying that it was fumes from the exhaust pipes of these engines that were fed into the chambers, but I note that in recent times they have quietly dropped this proposition, and claim instead that the engines were actually generating carbon-monoxide gas – thus suggesting that some kind of equipment for producing the gas with a pumping arrangement was attached to the engines.”

                  Um, Talbot, it’s really quite simple.
                  If you pump carbon monoxide into room full of people they will die.
                  It’s a fairly common method for committing suicide. Those people don’t need an elaborate system of pulleys and pipes to croak.

                  “But they only imply this – they don’t actually spell it out, and so any young person being introduced to the holocaust today will not be aware that these monkeys were previously issuing an utterly risible account of the gassing operation – but had always been talking in technical terms.”

                  Ok.

                  I once gave you a link saying how the whole thing worked along with debunking deniers claims.
                  Would you like it again?

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 7, 2016 @ 2:53 pm

                • The trouble is Jeff, for all your old bluster, you have been telling us porky-pies by claiming that the Nazis were using gasoline engines at Treblinka, when the holocaust experts at Yad Vashem and USHMM are clearly stating diesel engines. I can’t help you out of your dilemma here – you will have to resolve this matter as best you can.

                  You did indeed supply me with a couple of links to explain the gassing process at Treblinka. But to be honest, they just weren’t good enough to pass muster. I read them closely, but didn’t get back to you at the time because they were both so inadequate in supplying me with the information that I’m looking for, that it wasn’t worth the effort. The Wikipedia website was so lacking in technical explanation that I awarded it zero out of ten. The Holocaust Controversies did at least try to give some kind of technical detail – but once again, there was nothing there that gave a reliable and convincing description of these gassing facilities. Even the plan of these alleged gas chambers I found highly suspect – somebody has drawn red lines on it to indicate some kind of ventilation system in the chambers. So, all-in-all, I gave the HC website two out of ten for trying.

                  When you keep asking where did the Jews go to – you sound like an old gramophone record from the 1950’s whose needle has got stuck in its groove. I’ve tried to explain that the bulk of those who were transported through Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec ended up in camps inside the Soviet Union. But the Soviets deliberately withheld this information from the IMT and the world in general, because they wanted to fabricate a story about mass killings at these sites for political purposes. Until the WW2 archives in Moscow are fully released and analysed then we don’t really know for certain what did happen in the Occupied territories of the Soviet Union.

                  Now, the question of what happened to the Hungarian Jews – you do indeed raise a legitimate question. And the fact is; I DON’T KNOW. What investigators and researchers have to do now, is to establish beyond doubt that the 437,000 figure is actually true, and whether they were all transported to Auschwitz. If so, what happened to them there. Are the holocausters correct in saying that they were all killed in gas chambers?, or are the revisionists nearer to the truth when they say that they were dispersed to other labour and concentration camps throughout Poland and Germany?. I personally don’t believe in the gas chamber story, because to me, the facilities there are just not capable of being utilised for mass gassing purposes.

                  Comment by Talbot — March 7, 2016 @ 4:38 pm

                • “The trouble is Jeff, for all your old bluster, you have been telling us porky-pies by claiming that the Nazis were using gasoline engines at Treblinka, when the holocaust experts at Yad Vashem and USHMM are clearly stating diesel engines. I can’t help you out of your dilemma here – you will have to resolve this matter as best you can.”

                  Uh, not according to the link for USHM.
                  The link I actually provided.

                  To be honest I didn’t hunt down the info on Yad Vashem. I don’t like their website.

                  “You did indeed supply me with a couple of links to explain the gassing process at Treblinka. But to be honest, they just weren’t good enough to pass muster.”

                  Aaaaawwww, you are breaking my heart.

                  “I read them closely, but didn’t get back to you at the time because they were both so inadequate in supplying me with the information that I’m looking for, that it wasn’t worth the effort. The Wikipedia website was so lacking in technical explanation that I awarded it zero out of ten.”

                  I gave you Wikipedia?
                  I must have been feeling lazy.

                  “The Holocaust Controversies did at least try to give some kind of technical detail – but once again, there was nothing there that gave a reliable and convincing description of these gassing facilities. Even the plan of these alleged gas chambers I found highly suspect – somebody has drawn red lines on it to indicate some kind of ventilation system in the chambers. So, all-in-all, I gave the HC website two out of ten for trying.”

                  Well, that’s better than the crap I get on denier websites.

                  “When you keep asking where did the Jews go to – you sound like an old gramophone record from the 1950’s whose needle has got stuck in its groove.”

                  Well, give me proof that I can research.

                  “I’ve tried to explain that the bulk of those who were transported through Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec ended up in camps inside the Soviet Union. But the Soviets deliberately withheld this information from the IMT and the world in general, because they wanted to fabricate a story about mass killings at these sites for political purposes. Until the WW2 archives in Moscow are fully released and analysed then we don’t really know for certain what did happen in the Occupied territories of the Soviet Union.”

                  Now, see, that’s convenient. It makes it impossible to research or check for veracity.
                  What about the commanders of these camps? Or guards? Or inmates?
                  What about SS or German soldiers returning from the front? Or POWs returning to Germany in 1950? Or 1955?
                  Are you saying no denier researcher has turned anyone like that up?

                  “Now, the question of what happened to the Hungarian Jews – you do indeed raise a legitimate question. And the fact is; I DON’T KNOW. ”

                  Well, at least you admit it.

                  “What investigators and researchers have to do now, is to establish beyond doubt that the 437,000 figure is actually true, and whether they were all transported to Auschwitz. If so, what happened to them there. Are the holocausters correct in saying that they were all killed in gas chambers?, or are the revisionists nearer to the truth when they say that they were dispersed to other labour and concentration camps throughout Poland and Germany?.”

                  That should be easy to find out. I’ll let you look up concentration camp numbers.
                  Or, find train schedules.
                  Good hunting.

                  “I personally don’t believe in the gas chamber story, because to me, the facilities there are just not capable of being utilised for mass gassing purposes.”

                  Sure they aren’t.

                  You go on sucking down the denier Kool-Aid.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 7, 2016 @ 5:52 pm

    • ARSCHLOCH! Your statement about “kosher dill sandwich stockers … real power behind thet Nuerenberg …” is worse than Nazi propaganda; it is stupid and shows your deep ignorance. 1. At Nuerenberg only the deeds from September 1, 1939 until war end had been heard while the increasing discrimination and persecution of Jews before had been considered “internal affair of Germany” and not cared about. Meaningfull, is it not so?. 2. As Auschwirz-Oswiecim is in Poland the deeds of Hoess had been to be evaluated and sentenced exactly in Poland..
      I feel that at Nuerenberg the Four Powers wanted to divert attention from their own responsabilities for having actually considered Hitler as a relizhle partner of treaties and intersting commercial relationships: unrile 1938 USA sold Germany valuable material for … military industrie helping so the war outbreack. And what about the URSS-III REICH Treaty of August 26 1939? And what about cowardy shown in 1938 when Hitler anexed Austria and than part of Chechoslovakia? And we could go on.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 6, 2016 @ 1:17 am

      • Have you noticed, Wolf, that Holocaust deniers never can give straight answers when confronted about where the Jews went if the Nazis did not murder them?
        They love to make fun of survivors stories and prattle on about how the crematorium were to small to be gas chambers.
        However, pin them down, really pin them down and they have no answers.
        A few days ago I tried to get them to tell me where the Hungarian Jews went if they did not die at Birkenau.
        We accounted for some of the deported, some really were sent to other camps, however no one can tell me what happened to the others.
        They also can’t tell me where the Jews transported through the Reinhard Camps went if they didn’t die there.
        Instead they want to toss insults around and argue about Zyclon B, or the capacity of the gas chambers, etc., etc.
        I’m really starting to think all of this denier stuff is all guesswork and speculation.

        Jeff

        Comment by Jeff K. — March 6, 2016 @ 1:40 am

        • Jeff writes;- “They love to make fun of survivors stories and prattle on about how the crematorium were to small to be gas chambers.
          However, pin them down, really pin them down and they have no answers.”

          Well, let’s pin you down for once!.

          Please produce the official Soviet or Polish forensic report of 1945-48 that detailed the search that took place in and around Auschwitz-Birkenau for the human remains of the alleged 1 to 1.5 million victims who died there.

          Comment by Talbot — March 6, 2016 @ 5:16 am

        • You wrote: “They [the deniers] can’t tell me where the Jews [that were] transported through the Reinhard camps went if they didn’t die there.”

          I attempted to explain where the Jews went in this blog post:

          https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/the-trains-that-traveled-west-to-treblinka/

          Comment by furtherglory — March 6, 2016 @ 6:38 am

        • You wrote: “They [the deniers] love to make fun of survivors stories and prattle on about how the crematorium[s] were to [too] small to be gas chambers.”

          What denier has prattled on about which crematorium being too small to be a gas chamber? If you are referring to me, I have prattled on about the crematorium in the main Auschwitz camp being too large to be a gas chamber. If the crematorium really was a gas chamber, where were the bodies kept until they could be burned in the 4 ovens next door to the crematorium? The crematorium should have been small enough to gas only 4 Jews at one time, so that the bodies could be put into the ovens immediately.

          The Holocaust True Believer story is that 2,000 people were gassed at one time. It would have taken a year to burn the bodies before the next batch of Jews could have been gassed.

          Stop making fun of deniers! The stories told by True Believers are too funny for words!

          Comment by furtherglory — March 6, 2016 @ 7:09 am

          • I think Jeff might be referring to previous posts of mine, where I suggested that Krema’s 2 and 3 at Birkenau were simply too small in size to have been able to gas up to 2,500 people in one session. ( That figure is the official claim of the holocausters ).

            I stick by my observation – that there is simply no way that these facilities could have accommodated even 1,000 people inside – and even 500 is extremely doubtful. This large number of victims would not allow themselves to be crammed into such a tiny area of space without revolting and pandemonium breaking out. And the logistics of driving people into the undressing chamber is also far-fetched. The official line is that all 1,000 plus entered the chamber together one after the other. But this is impossible, because the chamber will not hold this number of people, let alone provide them with enough space to disrobe effectively and deposit their shoes and clothes.

            Thus, they would have to enter the undressing chamber in several time-consuming batches – but to my knowledge no eye-witnesses have ever made this claim.

            Comment by Talbot — March 6, 2016 @ 8:38 am

          • It would have taken a year to burn the bodies before the next batch of Jews could have been gassed.

            It’s important not to (wildly) exaggerate — in A-B, eg Krema II and III each had 5 ovens, with 3 muffles per oven, for a total of 15 muffles, ie considering just one of these facilities — being generous (to the conventional story), assume it took 1 hour to cremate a corpse — this means that 15 corpses per hour could be cremated — 2000/15 = approx 135 hours cremation time — add some time for eg the removal of cremated remains, and insertion of new corpses, say 1 hour per muffle (again, this is very generous), total 15 hours — that makes 150 hours, which is more than 6 days — so using assumptions extremely (absurdly, actually) generous to the conventional story, it would have taken about 1 week to cremate the corpses produced by a single gassing of 2000 people.

            Comment by eah — March 6, 2016 @ 1:02 pm

            • I was referring to the alleged gas chamber in the Auschwitz main camp, not to Krema II and Krema III in the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp.

              Comment by furtherglory — March 7, 2016 @ 4:45 am

              • I was referring to the alleged gas chamber in the Auschwitz main camp

                Why would you do that? — no one takes that ‘gas chamber’ seriously — no one associates it with the ‘Holocaust’, not really — and I have never seen it said that 2k people were gassed at a time there — and your claim is still an exaggeration, eg if there was only one muffle in Auschwitz I, 2k hours (ie one corpse per hour) is still only approx 85 days, not “a year”.

                Comment by eah — March 7, 2016 @ 9:44 am

          • FURTHERGLORY. As a “Special Child Survivor” I, when interviewed, speak about facts I withnessed or my Father – the withnes no one wanted to herar – passed through. I belive in G’D and so I feel the duty to remember all Shoah martyrs. As an amateur historian I study the events considering historical background, So I am not involved in Shoah business three – Tear pressing, Negationism, Polish Tourism – divisions but rather boycotted by their lobbiests. I does not make funn of deniers, i rebuke according their statements and manners.

            Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 7, 2016 @ 8:38 am

            • Wolf quote…
              As a “Special Child Survivor” I, when interviewed, speak about facts I withnessed or my Father – the withnes no one wanted to herar – passed through. I belive in G’D and so I feel the duty to remember all Shoah martyrs. As an amateur historian I study the events considering historical background, So I am not involved in Shoah business three – Tear pressing, Negationism, Polish Tourism – divisions but rather boycotted by their lobbiests. I does not make funn of deniers, i rebuke according their statements and manners.

              Why are you considered so “special”…..you survived whats the big deal….many of you HoloHuxsters survived that shows you weren’t meant to be killed.
              You try to distance yourselves away from the other HoloHuxsters but if you still stick to the extermination story you are no better then the rest of your tribe.
              Why don’t you start exposing the other HoloSchysters and you might gain some respect here…..

              Jim Rizoli
              CCFIILE.COM
              RIZOLITV.COM
              IHR.ORG
              VHO.ORG

              Comment by jrizoli — March 7, 2016 @ 8:48 am

              • jrzoli 1 Due to the position my Father hold I am considered a specail child survivor and asked for interviews or informations by scholars and students. 2, Some essays of mine are on the web side of this site others, in German, on the site shoa.de and many in Italian too are in internet. My contribution to a meeting at Padoa University THE JUDENRAT IN SHOAH HISTORY had been pubblished on the site LEARNING FROM HISTORY. 3. I am not interested in any of the three divisions of Shoah Business and do not want to gain respect there and so I can rebuke your ignorant and bad mannered huting statements.

                Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 7, 2016 @ 10:37 am

      • 1. At Nuerenberg only the deeds from September 1, 1939 until war end had been heard

        Wolf, this is incorrect — re the IMT, one of the counts in the indictment was ‘Crimes Against Peace’, including planning aggressive war (another count involved participation in a conspiracy to commit same) — also, if what you say is correct, then there was absolutely no reason to indict, convict, and execute Julius Streicher — in 1938 he was already in official trouble, and he was removed from all party offices in 1940 (by many accounts, he only escaped jail due to the personal protection of Hitler).

        Comment by eah — March 6, 2016 @ 5:19 am

        • eah. I will look about Streiher. But what about Papen, acquitted at Nuerenberg but then sentenced by a German court for his help to the rise on power of Hitler. Papen as Chancellor in few months after having met Hitler admitted again the armed Nazi militias SA and SS, and fired the Regional Goverment of Prussia and named himself as Reichskomissar. In Jannnuary 1933 he helped in other ways Hitler to rise on power. Decision to pursue only the deeds of after September 1939 had been reached at London in July 1945.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 6, 2016 @ 8:16 am

          • what about Papen

            As you know, van Papen was acquitted — he should never have been charged (his indictment was absurd, and evidence of an irrational, vengeance-seeking aspect of the IMT) — was he supposed to know in advance that Hitler would wage aggressive war and attempt to exterminate the Jews?

            Comment by eah — March 6, 2016 @ 1:19 pm

            • eah. Papen in order to help Hitler to get the power violated the Weimar Reich Constitution and therefore he had been sentenced by German Court.

              Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 7, 2016 @ 8:41 am

              • Wolf……. I got a question for you…..Do you think these ( “nazis” ) should of been executed for doing their job? And so quickly I might add. With NO appeal!
                If yes then why shouldn’t the Allies be executed for firebombing innocent cities and the people in them.
                Now that was the true Holocaust.
                You seem to disavower the real murderers….
                I guess you only care about when your tribe is dealt with. The hell with everyone else.
                In war people on both sides suffer unjustly, but for some reason the winners of the war are the ones that count.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — March 7, 2016 @ 10:05 am

                • jrizoli. I have the duty to study events and background of the fate of my PEOPLE or COMUNITY – and not tribe as you say showing a good deal of ignorance and bad manners – in the scenario of the great tragedy of the suicide of Europe in WWI and WWII. At any rate the persons who sent the people to certain death and turned the nation of poets and thinkes in a state of judges and murders deserved death sentences. This applies to all the Nazi party leaders and many Generals. The evaluation of the guilt of lower ranking individuals is a complex problem. Some of the worst Nazi criminals could change their hat and had been enlisted by the CIA, NKWD or hired by Arab states, all interested in their “professional skill”. In first war years the Luftwaffe performed heavy bombings then things changed; the inventor of the terror bombing strategy had been Hermann Goering. Nazism from the beginning aimed to overrull entire Europe, subdue the other peoples and exterminate the Jews; I hope to have still the force to write an essay about it and have the possibility to pubblish it.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 7, 2016 @ 10:57 am

                • Wolf….You didn’t comment about allied atrocities….you’re still a one minded person only caring about your people.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 7, 2016 @ 11:07 am

                • jrizoli. All what occured after summer 1944 had been due to the will of Hitler to go ahead with the war, even sending 14 years old youngster to certain death in combat and sending in December 1944 the V2 missiles over London not caring about obvious allied response. Indeed he himself stood safte in the bunker under the Reichskanzlei. Certain USA and UK menn had by no way the professional skyl of Gestapo officers in torturing victims,

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 8, 2016 @ 10:32 am

      • stupid and shows your deep ignorance

        Wolf, you often seem to react out of emotion rather than reason — I think any head count/analysis would show that Jews were significantly over-represented among those involved with the IMT — this was observed at the time, eg by Charles F. Wennerstrum:

        Wennerstrum cautiously referred to the extensive Jewish involvement in the Nuremberg process. “The entire atmosphere here is unwholesome … Lawyers, clerks, interpreters and researchers were employed who became Americans only in recent years, whose backgrounds were imbedded in Europe’s hatreds and prejudices.”

        Among those “who became Americans only in recent years” were significant numbers of Jews who fled Europe.

        Comment by eah — March 6, 2016 @ 11:44 am

        • eah. At IMT Jews emigrated from Germany and Austria had been called to translate documents from German as in USA and UK there had been little knowledge of the language of Goethe and Schiller. Clear at last?

          Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 6, 2016 @ 12:56 pm

  7. FG writes;- “Höss visited Chelmno in September 1942 and he also visited the Treblinka death camp; in Lublin, he met Odilo Globocnik, who was in charge of the “Aktion Reinhard”.

    But is there any documented evidence of the first two visits, and is there any corroboration from other sources. The reason I ask, is because it is very strange that a commandant of a large, bustling concentration camp complex would have the time – or indeed any purpose – in going to these places. Surely he would be busy running day-to-day business at Auschwitz-Birkenau, and overseeing its enormous expansion as the war unfolds.

    One could make a reasonable case that Höss would have some reason to meet up with Odilo Globonik occasionally – as he was in charge of the Lublin-Maidanek KZ system, and its more than likely that personnel and workers would often be transferred from one to the other. But there was really no need for an Auschwitz commandant to visit Treblinka or Chelmno at all.

    Regardless of whether they were transit camps or “death camps”, it would be subordinate personnel or technical experts who would be sent to these two places from Auschwitz if such visits were deemed necessary.

    Comment by Talbot — March 5, 2016 @ 12:47 pm

  8. You should add more of what the article says.
    You missed some of it, including the part where Hoess was more frightened of prison than death because he believed the guards would torture him because their wives and children died at Auschwitz.

    It surprised Hoess when his guards treated him kindly and didn’t mistreat him.

    Why didn’t you quote that part of the article?

    Naturally the numbers quoted by the article are wrong.

    Jeff

    Comment by Jeff K. — March 5, 2016 @ 12:46 pm

  9. Rudolf Höss is back in the news
    by furtherglory
    Rudolf Höss was the commandant of the Auschwitz-Birkenau extermination camp, in case you didn’t know.

    The following quote is from a recent news article about him which you can read in full at http://aleteia.org/2016/03/04/how-the-commandant-of-auschwitz-found-gods-mercy/

    Begin quote from news article:

    Those who survived Auschwitz called the man in charge an “animal.” Rudolf Höss presided over the extermination of some 2.5 million prisoners in the three years he was commandant of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. Another half a million died there from disease and starvation. A year after his tenure came to an end, he returned to oversee the execution of 400,000 Hungarian Jews.

    And yet even an “animal” such as he was not beyond the reach of God’s mercy.

    End quote
    So according to this news article, the current director of the Auschwitz-Birkenau memorial site is lying when he claims that only 1.1 million Jews were killed at Auschwitz-Birkenau. It was actually more than twice that many.
    Rudolf Hoess is the man on the right
    Rudolf Hoess is the man on the right

    In the photo above, Heinrich Himmler is the man on the left. These two men were responsible for killing 2.5 million Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau — or was it only 1.1 million? The story of the Holocaust is ever changing; I can’t keep up with it any more.

    Rudolf Hoess after he was captured and tortured by the British
    Rudolf Hoess after he was captured and tortured by the British

    Rudolf Höss, aka Rudolf Hoess, the Commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau, was arrested by the British near Flensburg, Schleswig- Holstein, Germany on March 11, 1946.

    After the British beat a confession out of him, Hoess was turned over to the Supreme National Tribunal in Poland on May 25, 1946.

    Hoess was put on trial in 1947; he was convicted and sentenced to be hanged. His execution took place at the main Auschwitz camp on April 16, 1947. Three months later, the former camps at Auschwitz and Birkenau officially became the Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum.

    Flensburg was the place where Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler had established himself in the last days of World War II; he had told his SS men “Save yourself, if you can.”

    While he awaited trial in Poland, Rudolf Hoess wrote his memoirs, which were later published in a book with the title Death Dealer.

    Hoess wrote the following in his memoirs:

    Begin quote

    I took the name Seamen Franz Lang and traveled with marching orders to the Navel Intelligence School on the Isle of Sylt. […] The Naval Intelligence School was dismantled and transported to the internment area between the Kiel Canal and the Schlei River. […] I was released very early and passed all the British checkpoints and through the employment office without any problems. I got a job on a farm near Flensburg as a laborer.

    End quote

    The British were able to find Rudolf Hoess, after he had been on the farm for eight months. They had contacted his family and threatened to turn his son over to the Soviet Union to be sent to Siberia unless they revealed his hiding place.

    On page 179 of Death Dealer, Hoess described his arrest and interrogation by the British.

    The following quote is from the book entitled “Death Dealer,” edited by Steven Paskuly and first published in 1992:

    Begin quote

    On March 11, 1946, at 11 p.m., I was arrested. My vial of poison had broken just two days before. The arrest was successful because I was frightened at being awakened out of a sound sleep. I assumed that it was a robbery because there were a lot of them occurring in the area.

    I was treated terribly by the [British] Field Security Police. I was dragged to Heide and, of all places, to the same military barracks from which I had been released eight months before by the British. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear. The whip was my own. By chance it had found its way into my wife’s luggage. My horse had hardly ever been touched by it, much less the prisoners. Somehow one of the interrogators probably thought that I had constantly used it to whip the prisoners.

    After a few days I was taken to Minden on the Weser River, which was the main interrogation center in the British zone. There they treated me even more roughly, especially the first British prosecutor, who was a major. The conditions in the jail reflected the attitude of the first prosecutor.

    Surprisingly, after three weeks I was shaved, my hair was cut, and I was allowed to wash myself. My handcuffs had not been opened since my arrest. The next day, I was taken by car to Nuremberg together with a prisoner of war who had been brought over from London as a witness in Fritsche’s defense. Compared to where I had been before, imprisonment with the IMT [International Military Tribunal] was like staying in a health spa.

    End quote

    Here is some background information on Rudolf Hoess:

    In 1923, Rudolf Höss was involved in the political murder of Walter Kadow, who was alleged to have betrayed Nazi party member Leo Schlageter to the French occupation authorities. He was sentenced to ten years in prison. One of his accomplices was Martin Bormann, Hitler’s future deputy, who subsequently protected him at a later stage in his career.

    Höss was released under the Amnesty Law of 14 July 1928, after having served less than half of his sentence, and for the next six years, he worked as a farmer in Brandenburg and Pomerania in various service groups.

    In 1934, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler invited Höss to join the SS and, in June of the same year, he was posted to the concentration camp at Dachau, as a block overseer.

    Höss was transferred to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp in 1938, where he was promoted to SS Captain and given the job of Adjutant to the Commandant. Two years later, Höss was appointed the first Commandant of the Auschwitz concentration camp on 1 May 1940. Höss held this position until 1 December 1943 when he was replaced by Arthur Liebehenschel, who became the new Commandant of Auschwitz I.

    Höss visited Chelmno in September 1942 and he also visited the Treblinka death camp; in Lublin, he met Odilo Globocnik, who was in charge of the “Aktion Reinhard” program.

    In November 1943, Höss was made the head of the number one branch of Amstgruppe D of the WVHA, later becoming the deputy of Richard Glücks, the Inspector ­ General of Concentration Camps. Höss returned to Auschwitz on 8 May 1944 to oversee the alleged extermination of the Hungarian Jews.

    Affidavit signed by Commandant Rudolf Hoess, May 14, 1946 Photo Credit: USHMM, courtesy of Josef Maier
    Affidavit signed by Commandant Rudolf Hoess, May 14, 1946
    Photo Credit: USHMM, courtesy of Josef Maier

    On May 14, 1946, the former Commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau, Rudolf Höss, also known as Rudolf Hoess, signed a sworn affidavit in which he stated that two million Jews had been gassed at Auschwitz-Birkenau between 1941 and 1943 while he was the Commandant. This did not include the period, during which Hoess was not the Commandant, when over 300,000 Hungarian Jews were gassed during a period of 10 weeks in the Summer of 1944, according to the Auschwitz Museum.

    The English translation of the German text in the affidavit reads: “I declare herewith under oath that in the years 1941 to 1943 during my tenure in office as commandant of Auschwitz Concentration Camp 2 million Jews were put to death by gassing and a 1/2 million by other means. Rudolf Hoess. May 14, 1946.”

    The confession was signed by Hoess and by Josef Maier of the US Chief of Counsel’s office.

    The original affidavit, signed by Rudolf Hoess, is displayed in a glass case in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC. The photo that is displayed, along with the affidavit, shows Hungarian Jewish women and children walking to one of the four gas chambers in the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp on May 26, 1944, carrying their hand baggage in sacks.
    Quote….
    Photo in the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC shows Jews walking to the gas chamber

    All you Holocaust deniers, take note. The photo above proves that the Jews were gassed; the photo shows the Jews as they walk to the gas chamber, carrying their bundles.

    Really…
    Why would they be taking their bundles to the gas chamber?
    Put any picture up saying whatever it is or what you think it is and people are going to believe it what the true facts are no one cares. These people could have been walking to a shelter where they were going to sleep that night.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — March 5, 2016 @ 12:24 pm


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