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March 8, 2016

Does the famous Hoefle telegram prove the Holocaust?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — furtherglory @ 7:48 am

One of the regular readers of my blog, who is a Holocaust True Believer, recently wrote the following in a comment:

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The Hoefle telegram lists 1.2 million “transited” to these camps. But there’s no exit list from these camps, only to them.

The camps were too small to absorb this amount of people.
Only Majdanek was big enough, but even it received the LOWEST amount of people on this list.

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Here is the story of the famous Hoefle telegram:

Samuel Rajzman, one of the few Jewish prisoners who survived the Treblinka death camp, testified at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal that “Between July and December 1942, an average of 3 transports of 60 [train] cars each arrived every day [at Treblinka]. In 1943 the transports arrived more rarely.”

Rajzman also stated that “On an average, I believe they killed in Treblinka from ten to twelve thousand persons daily.”

The following testimony was given by Samuel Rajzman at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal:

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Transports arrived there [at Treblinka] every day; their number depended on the number of trains arriving; sometimes three, four, or five trains filled exclusively with Jews — from Czechoslovakia, Germany, Greece, and Poland.

Immediately after their arrival, the people had to leave the trains in 5 minutes and line up on the platform. All those who were driven from the [train] cars were divided into groups — men, children, and women, all separate.

They were all forced to strip immediately, and this procedure continued under the lashes of the German guards’ whips. Workers who were employed in this operation immediately picked up all the clothes and carried them away to barracks.

Then the people were obliged to walk naked through the [camp] street to the gas chambers.

End quote

When I visited the site of the Treblinka camp in 1998, I purchased a small pamphlet at the Visitor’s Center, which said that “a storehouse was disguised as a train station”  at the camp. According to this pamphlet, “the fake station was designed to fool the Jews into thinking that they had arrived at a transit camp, from where they were going to be “transported to the East.”

Regarding the fake train station, Samuel Rajzman testified as follows at the Nuremberg IMT:

Begin quote of Rajzmann’s testimony:

At first there were no signboards whatsoever at the station, but a few months later the commander of the camp, one Kurt Franz, built a first-class railroad station with signboards. The barracks where the clothing was stored had signs reading “restaurant,” “ticket office,” “telegraph,” “telephone,” and so forth. There were even train schedules for the departure and the arrival of trains to and from Grodno, Suwalki, Vienna, and Berlin.

End quote

According to Rajzman’s testimony at the Nuremberg IMT, “When Treblinka became very well known, they hung up a huge sign with the inscription Obermaidanek.”

Maidanek was the German name for Majdanek; it was a death camp on the outskirts of Lublin, where the headquarters of the Operation Reinhard camps was located.

Rajzmann explained that “the persons who arrived in transports soon found out that it was not a fashionable station, but that it was a place of death.” Rajzmann said that the sign was intended to calm the victims.

In spite of all this effort to reassure the victims, the SS soldiers at Treblinka were allowed to grab babies from the arms of their mothers and bash their heads in, according to the stories of Holocaust True Believers.

The first person to be tried for war crimes committed at Treblinka was Josef Hirtreiter, who was put on trial in a German court in Frankfort am Main, and sentenced on March 3, 1951 to life in prison.

Based on the testimony of survivors, Hirtreiter was found guilty of killing young children at Treblinka, during the unloading of the trains, by holding them by the feet and smashing their heads against the boxcars.

The pamphlet from the Visitor’s Center says that “In a relatively short time of its existence the [Treblinka] camp took a total of over 800,000 victims of Jews from Poland, Austria, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, France, Greece, Jugoslavia, Germany and the Soviet Union.”

Raul Hilberg puts the number of deaths at Treblinka at a minimum of 750,000. Other sources say that the total number of deaths was 870,000.

Although the Nazis kept detailed records of everything, they never recorded the number of deaths by gassing.

The following quote is from the pamphlet that I purchased at the Treblinka site:

“The extermination camp in Treblinka was built in the middle of 1942 near the already existing labour camp. It was surrounded by fence and rows of barbed wire along which there were watchtowers with machine guns every ten metres.

The main part of the camp constituted two buildings in which there were 13 gas chambers altogether. Two thousand people could be put to death at a time in them. Death by suffocation with fumes came after 10 – 15 minutes.

First the bodies of the victims were buried, later were cremated on big grates out of doors. The ashes were mixed witch (sic) sand and buried in one spot.”

Martin Gilbert wrote in his book entitled Holocaust Journey that the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. Many writers say that these diesel engines were obtained from captured Russian submarines, but according to the Nizkor  website, these were large 500 BHP engines from captured Soviet T-34 tanks.

At the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal proceedings against the major Nazi war criminals, which began in November 1945, the Nazis were charged by the Soviet Union with murdering Jews at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers. Steam chambers were used at Auschwitz and Theresienstadt for disinfecting the clothing of the prisoners.

The pamphlet continues with this information:

“Killing took place with great speed. The whole process of killing the people, starting from thier (sic) arrival at the camp railroad till removing the corpses from the gas chambers, lasted about 2 hours.

Treblinka was known among the Nazis as an example of good organization of a death camp. It was a real extermination centre.”

End quote from pamphlet

When I visited the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC, I learned the following information about Treblinka:

“The camp was laid out in a trapezoid of 1,312 by 1,968 feet. Branches woven into the barbed-wire fence and trees planted around the perimeter served as camouflage, blocking any view into the camp from the outside. Watchtowers 26 feet high were placed along the fence and at each of the four corners.”

The Treblinka camp was divided into sections with one area reserved for the living quarters of the German administrators of the camp and the Ukrainian guards. Another section, at the south end of the camp, was for the 1,000 Jewish workers who sorted the clothing and removed the bodies from the alleged gas chambers.

Another section of the Treblinka camp, where the gassing operation allegedly took place, was fenced off from the reception area and the living area. The victims went through a tube, which was a fenced-in and camouflaged path, that led from the reception area, where the Jews had to undress, and then on to the gas chamber.

Allegedly, the victims had to run naked through the tube to a building with a deceptive sign that indicated that this was a shower room.

Samuel Rajzman testified at the Nuremberg IMT that the Nazis had nicknamed the path to the gas chamber “Himmelfahrtstrasse,” which means Street to Heaven. In his testimony, Rajzman stated that there were originally 3 gas chambers at Treblinka, but later 10 more were built and there were plans to increase the number of Treblinka gas chambers to 25.

On August 23, 1942, fifty-two-year-old Jankiel Wiernik (Yankel Vernik) was among several thousand Jews transported from the Warsaw ghetto to Treblinka.

Wiernik, who was born in 1891 and lived in Czestochowa, Poland, survived and after the war, he wrote a book entitled A Year In Treblinka.

Despite his age, Wiernik had been assigned to the work squad, composed mainly of young men, who had to carry the bodies to the mass graves that had been made by “an excavator which dug out the ditches.”

According to Wiernik, “The dimensions of each ditch was 50 by 25 by 10 metres.”

Wiernik wrote that there was originally one gas chamber building which had 6 small rooms, three on each side of a narrow hallway. This was a rectangular building located at the end of the tube; the door into the building faced north. Today, a large monument stands in the spot where this building was located.

According to Wiernik, the engine room was at the south end of the hallway. He claimed that carbon monoxide was pumped from diesel engines into the gas chambers.

After the gassing, the bodies were removed through six outside doors on the east side which opened upward like a garage door. The bodies were first buried in pits, then later dug up and burned on two pyres located just east of the gas chamber building.

The first Commandant of the Treblinka II death camp was SS-Obersturmführer Irmfried Eberl, who held this position from July 1942 to September 1942. He was succeeded by SS-Obersturmführer Franz Stangl, who served as the Commandant from September 1942 to August 1943. Prior to his service at Treblinka II, Stangl had been the commander of the Sobibor death camp and before that, he was on the staff at Schloss Hartheim, where mentally and physically disabled Germans were sent to be gassed.

The 3rd and last Commandant of Treblinka II was SS-Untersturmführer Kurt Franz who was the commander from August 1943 until October 3, 1943. Franz was a handsome man who was nicknamed “Lalka” by the prisoners. Lalka is the Polish word for doll. The German word for little doll is Puppi, a common term of affection for little girls, but for a man, this nickname was a term of derision.

On September 3, 1965 Kurt Franz was convicted by the German Court of Assizes in Düsseldorf, Germany in the First Treblinka Trial, along with 9 other SS officers who had worked at Treblinka II.

The killing of Jews at Treblinka had not bothered Kurt Franz in the least; the photograph album, that he complied while working in the camp as the deputy of Franz Stangl, and later as the Commandant, was entitled “Schöne Zeiten” which means Good Times.

Kurt Franz was sentenced to life in prison. His conviction was based on the finding of the court that “At least 700,000 persons, predominantly Jews, but also a number of Gypsies, were killed at the Treblinka extermination camp.”

This finding by the court was based on the expert opinion submitted to the Court of Assizes by Dr. Helmut Kraunsnick, director of the Institute for Contemporary History (Institute fur Zeitgeschichte) in Munich, who referred to the following documents during his testimony:

(1) The Stroop report, a book by SS Brigadeführer Jürgen Stroop, which contained photographs and daily reports of the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto in April 1943. The Stroop report mentioned that approximately 310,000 Jews had been transported in trains from the Warsaw Ghetto to Treblinka during the period from July 22, 1942 to October 3, 1942. After the Warsaw ghetto uprising, the Jews who survived were transported to Treblinka.

(2) The testimony at the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg.

(3) The official records of train schedules, telegrams, and train inventories pertaining to the transports of Jews and Gypsies to Treblinka.

Franz Stangl was imprisoned by the Allies after the war, but was released two years later without ever having been put on trial. Following his release, he went to Italy where he was helped by the Vatican to escape to Syria, where he lived with his family for three years. In 1951, he moved to Brazil where he lived openly, using his real name.

Stangl was a native of Austria, but for years the Austrian authorities declined to bring him to justice for the murder of thousands of Jews at Treblinka. Finally in 1961, a warrant for his arrest was issued, but it was not until six years later that he was captured in Brazil by the famous Nazi hunter, Simon Wiesenthal; he had been working at a Volkswagen factory in Sao Paulo, still using his own name.

In 1969, Dr. Wolfgang Scheffler submitted an expert opinion, based on more recent research, that the total number of persons killed at Treblinka was 900,000.

Franz Stangl was finally put on trial in the Second Treblinka Trial by the court of Assizes at Düsseldorf on October 22, 1970, charged with the deaths of 900,000 people at Treblinka. Stangl confessed to the murders, but in his defense, he said, “My conscience is clear. I was simply doing my duty …”

After his six-month trial in the German court, Stangl was found guilty on December 22, 1970 and sentenced to life in prison in January 1971; he died in prison at Düsseldorf on June 28, 1971.

Aerial photos taken by the Soviet Union while the camp was in operation show that there were Polish farms adjacent to the camp and that the area of the camp was devoid of trees. Today, the area of the Treblinka Memorial site is completely surrounded by a forest and the section of the camp where the guards once lived is now covered by trees.

Like the Buchenwald concentration camp, the Treblinka II camp had a zoo, which was built by Commandant Franz Stangl for the amusement of the SS staff and some of the privileged prisoners, called Kapos, who assisted the Germans in the camp. Treblinka also had a camp orchestra and a brothel for the SS staff.

According to Jean Francois Steiner, who wrote a book called Treblinka, the privileged prisoners in the camp had “a great life.” They were allowed to marry in the camp, and Kurt Franz conducted the wedding ceremonies. After one of the wedding celebrations, the prisoners got the idea of “a kind of cabaret,” where there was music, dancing and drinking on the Summer nights.

The following quote is from Steiner’s book:

“When Lalka heard about what was going on, far from forbidding it, he provided the drinks himself and encouraged the SS men to go there. The first contact lacked warmth, but the S.S. men knew how to make people forget who they were, and soon their presence was ignored. In addition to the dancing, there were night-club acts. The ice was broken between the Jews and the S.S. This did not prevent the S.S. from killing the Jews during the day, but the prospect of having to part company soon mellowed them a little.

[…]

The high point of these festivities was unquestionably Arthur Gold’s birthday. An immense buffet was laid out in the tailor shop, which the S.S. officers decorated themselves. Hand written invitations were sent to every member of the camp aristocracy. It was to be the great social event of the season and everyone was eager to wear his finest clothes. […] The women had done each other’s hair and had put on the finest dresses in the store, simple for the girls and decollete for the women. […] Arthur Gold outdid himself in the toasts that preceded the festivities. He insisted on thanking the Germans for the way they treated the Jews.

[…]

One evening a Ukrainian brought an accordion and the others began to dance. The scene attracted some Jews, who with the onset of Summer, were more and more uncomfortable in their “cabaret.” The nights were soft and starry, and if it were not for the perpetual fire which suffused the sky with its long flames, you would have thought that you were on the square of some Ukrainian village on Midsummer Eve. Everything was there: the campfire, the dancing, the multicolored skirts and the freshness of the night. Friendships sprang up. Just because men were going to kill each other tomorrow was no reason to sulk.”

On August 2, 1943, the Jewish prisoners who worked at Treblinka staged an uprising after they had managed to steal weapons stored at the camp. The prisoners sprayed kerosene on the camp buildings and set them on fire. Jankiel Wiernik survived the uprising, although he was shot by one of the guards. According to Jean Francois Steiner, the Treblinka guard known as Ivan the Terrible was killed during the uprising.

In 1986, John Demjanjuk, an American citizen, was extradited from the United States to Israel, where he was put on trial, convicted and sentenced to death in 1988. At the trial, five survivors identified him from a photograph as “Ivan the Terrible,” a guard at the Treblinka extermination camp who was famous for his brutality.

His conviction was overturned when it was learned that the real Ivan the Terrible was probably a man named Ivan Marchenko, who had been killed with a shovel during the prisoner revolt at Treblinka in 1943, just as Jean Francois Steiner wrote in his book.

The following quote is from the book written by Jean Francois Steiner, entitled Treblinka:

Begin quote

All the members of the Committee and most of those who played a role in the uprising of the camp died in the revolt. Of the thousand prisoners who were in the camp at the time, about six hundred managed to get out and to reach the nearby forests without being recaptured.

Of these six hundred escapees, there remained, on the arrival of the Red Army a year later, only forty survivors. The others had been killed in the course of that year by Polish peasants, partisans of the Armia Krajowa, Ukrainian fascist bands, deserters from the Wehrmacht, the Gestapo and special units of the German army.

The photograph below shows three unidentified survivors of Treblinka who escaped during the uprising.

End quote

One of the 40 prisoners who escaped from Treblinka, and lived to tell about it, was Abraham Bomba, a Jew who was born in 1913 in Germany, but raised in Czestochowa, Poland. Bomba was one of the 1,000 Jews who lived in the barracks in a separate section of the Treblinka II camp and worked for the Germans who ran the death camp. Bomba was a barber and his job was cutting the hair of the victims inside the gas chamber, just before they were gassed. In 1990, he told about his experience in the camp in a video-taped interview for the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

The following quote is from the transcript of his interview:

And now I want to tell you, I want to tell you about the thing…the gas chamber. It was, they ask me already about this thing. The gas chamber, how it looked. Very simple. Was all concrete. There was no window. There was nothing in it. Beside, on top of you, there was wires, and it looked like, you know, the water going to come out from it. Had two doors. Steel doors. From one side and from the other side. The people went in to the gas chamber from the one side. Like myself, I was in it, doing the job as a barber. When it was full the gas chamber–the size of it was…I would say 18 by 18, or 18 by 17, I didn’t measure that time, just a look like I would say I look here the room around, I wouldn’t say exactly how big it is. And they pushed in as many as they could. It was not allowed to have the people standing up with their hands down because there is not enough room, but when people raised their hand like that there was more room to each other. And on top of that they throw in kids, 2, 3, 4 years old kids, on top of them. And we came out. The whole thing it took I would say between five and seven minute. The door opened up, not from the side they went in but the side from the other side and from the other side the…the group…people working in Treblinka number 2, which their job was only about dead people. They took out the corpses. Some of them dead and some of them still alive. They dragged them to the ditches, and over there they covered them. Big ditches, and they covered them. That was the beginning of Treblinka.

End quote

After each gassing, the Jewish workers at Treblinka had to clean up in preparation for the next batch of victims, according to Abraham Bomba. The clothing that had been taken off by the victims had to be removed and put into piles for sorting before being sent on the next empty transport train to Lublin.

Everything was done with great efficiency in this assembly-line murder camp, and nothing was wasted. All of the clothes and valuables, taken from the Jews when they arrived at Treblinka, were sent to the Majdanek camp in a suburb of Lublin where everything was disinfected before being sent to Germany and given to civilians.

In his 1990 interview at the USHMM, Bomba described what happened next. Below is a quote from the transcript of his interview:

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People went in through the gate. Now we know what the gate was, it was the way to the gas chamber and we have never see them again. That was the first hour we came in. After that, we, the people, 18 or 16 people…more people came in from the…working people, they worked already before, in the gas chamber, we had a order to clean up the place. Clean up the place–is not something you can take and clean. It was horrible. But in five, ten minutes this place had to look spotless. And it looked spotless. Like there was never nobody on the place, so the next transport when it comes in, they shouldn’t see what’s going on. We were cleaning up in the outside. Tell you what mean cleaning up: taking away all the clothes, to those places where the clothes were. Now, not only the clothes, all the papers, all the money, all the, the…whatever somebody had with him. And they had a lot of things with them. Pots and pans they had with them. Other things they had with them. We cleaned that up.

End quote

After a visit to Treblinka in February 1943, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler ordered that all the evidence of the killing of the Jews had to be destroyed.

Beginning in March 1943, the bodies of approximately 750,000 victims were exhumed and burned on pyres; the ashes were then buried in the original pits, according to Raul Hilberg.

Today, a symbolic cemetery is located where some of the ashes were buried. By May 1943, the daily transports had stopped and the Treblinka camp was getting ready to close.

During his trial, the last Commandant, Kurt Franz, testified that “After the uprising in August 1943, I ran the camp single-handedly for a month; however, during that period no gassing was undertaken. It was during that period that the original camp was leveled off and lupines were planted.”

There were neither factories nor living quarters for the 713,555 Jews who arrived at the fake transit station at the Treblinka death camp in 1942.

The terms “arrivals” and “evacuated” were allegedly Nazi code words for extermination; the Jews who were sent to Treblinka and the other Operation Reinhard camps were allegedly gassed, only hours after their arrival.

 

 

161 Comments »

  1. Rajzman. He said he ,”thinks”, it averaged between 10 to 12,000 people gettin bumped off daily.

    When I had my trial years back,the judge didn’t want to hear,”I think or I believe”, out of witness for the prosecution. Please tell me this prosecution of the German soldier didn’t hinge on that.

    Another thing. I’ve seen plenty of pics of the prison guards. I’ve yet to see one with a bullwhip. If the nazis were as big a assholes as everyone says,I figure someone would’ve taken pictures of them whipping the prisoners. If nothing else I figure a person could at least find a picture of one of the guards with the whip clipped to his pistol belt.

    I got to thinking why people would accept the story of the holo ( once again I’ll remind everyone,I think something happened over there,just not on a grand scale like this). I keep thinking Germany was starting to lose like a big dog. Who’s gonna give a shit about Jews being gassed. Germany had their backs against the wall. Whatever resources they had,certainly were not being wasted on the prisons. Everything had to go to the war effort.

    Slavery in America was real. You’re not gonna get arguments out of anyone there ( at the same time,history leaves out that not all slaves were abused). I’m just wondering if the Jews looked at the history of slavery and thought,”hey people accept the historical accounting of slavery. I bet we can come up with stories of abuse against us Jews . We can probably even throw in some outrageous shit too”.

    There’s talk of 800,000 and some change,murdered Jews . That I can accept with no problem. It’s a more logical number than the millions they speak of.

    Comment by Tim — September 29, 2016 @ 5:28 pm

  2. Thank you for posting but as we know it it’s all lies Treblinka was a Transit Camp these people were coming and going through it the figures that they give for the amount of people that died there buried dug up and burned on habachis makes no sense it is complete nonsense if people want to believe these fairy tales that’s good for them.
    Of course the big question is if they went there where did they go my question is this did they even go there and how can you prove it just because someone said they went there doesn’t mean it happened a lot of the documents statements were forged to make it look like something happened at that camp I would think if they really did a big investigation in this and look deeply into all those things they would find out about this fraud going on somewhere here. I’m sure there are no takers.
    That is why they can say whatever they want on the amount of people that died because they can’t prove it and they think just by saying it makes it true well I don’t know how you feel about life but I don’t believe it not till I see the facts that show it happen.
    850000 + people being killed by diesel gas buried dug up and burned in a matter of a few months nonsense complete nonsense.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 12:58 pm

    • You wrote: “Of course the big question is if they went there [Treblinka] where did they go my question is this did they even go there and how can you prove it just because someone said they went there doesn’t mean it happened a lot of the documents statements were forged to make it look like something happened at that camp”

      I wrote about Treblinka on my website BEFORE I became a Holocaust denier: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Treblinka/introduction.html

      After visiting the camp and learning more about what happened there, I believe that Treblinka was a transit camp, and that no one was killed there.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 28, 2016 @ 2:09 pm

      • FG…. you have come to see the light good for you……now if we can get some others we will be doing our job.
        Its hard to admit you’ve been lied to for all these years…..but with time comes understanding.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 2:45 pm

        • If you really want someone to adopt your way of thinking,do this. Tie them up and force them to listen to 24 hours straight of Ethel Merman or Kate Smiths version of God bless America. They think water boarding is torture. Childs play compared to the psychotic break they’d get from listing to those 2 sing

          Comment by Tim — July 28, 2016 @ 4:36 pm

          • Actually Tim I’m really not too concerned with anyone adopting my viewpoint I want them to come to their own realization of what makes sense and doesn’t. If they want to believe in the HoloHoax and all the bologna that goes with it then that’s up to them I’m a realist I deal with facts I don’t deal with fantasy and if people want to deal with that that’s up to them I don’t deal with that stuff.
            One thing I will say and why I feel what I believe is true…… follow the money Trail who is making the money on it that’s what it all comes down to.
            Also you have to consider who benefits from it revisionist lose everything believing the way we believe but the Jews gain everything by stopping us from presenting our side of the story.
            It’s really pretty simple it’s not complicated it really isn’t about the Jews dying it’s about the Jews and how they benefit from lies.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 4:41 pm

            • Well as far as I’m concerned, money can change the facts. I guess if they keep up with their stories,they’ll have a cash cow on their hands. Tell everyone what they want to hear and that person is on easy street the rest of their lives

              Comment by Tim — July 28, 2016 @ 4:50 pm

              • They finally kicked me, Diane and brother Joe, off the skeptic forum. Jeff must be very happy.
                Interesting how everyone else is doing the same thing ( quoting articles ) but they nailed me for it.
                So called copy right infringement….people are dead that I copied the text from….so now what?
                Joe and Diane got kicked off for no reason other than they post from my house.
                We would all be banned on this site if we had to answer for copyright material.
                FG would have to ban herself…..LOL
                This is how the Jews do it as they do run all the social media sites. Skeptic -Forum definitely Jew run.
                On to other things.

                Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 5:50 pm

                • “They finally kicked me, Diane and brother Joe, off the skeptic forum. Jeff must be very happy.”

                  Actually I’m not.

                  However, if you violated the rules of the forum you will get kicked off.

                  On a personal note, you were a bit of an embarrassment but that’s neither here nor there.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 28, 2016 @ 6:41 pm

                • Actually Jeff we usually get kicked off sites when we are proving a point and they can’t be refuted so it’s nothing to be embarrassed about it happens all the time.
                  You are the one that should be embarrassed to be on a site that does not allow Free Speech but uses copyright laws to ban you when everybody goes against copyright laws every day every time they post and put a link to anything that’s on the web you have done it yourself but nothing will happen to you.
                  Its called selective enforcement.
                  I also find it interesting that Joe and Diane got kicked off the site and they haven’t done anything wrong I guess they’re just friends with me and they don’t deserve to live either.
                  None of this is a surprise to me this is how the Jews work on all the websites they troll around they try to take control of the conversation to make sure it doesn’t get out of hand to expose them and then when they find someone they don’t like then they come after them and use rules and regulations to ban them. Of course rules and regulations that everyone else not abiding by either it’s selective persecution.

                  And by the way phyrro never gave me a warning about copyright he said he did but he never did so he lied to everyone. If he told me it was a copyright problem then I would have made sure I’d try to work within the parameters next time but he didn’t because he wanted me off the site.
                  Love those Jews don’t you. Free speech is only free to those who want to take your free speech away.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 6:50 pm

                • Really?

                  “PostSat Jul 23, 2016 4:58 am

                  RizoliTV, please stop posting large extracts of text from other web sites and from books. The books you are copying from are protected by copyright law, which this forum is legally obliged to respect.

                  Brief excerpts of no more than a short paragraph are appropriate and should be accompanied by your own commentary. You do not need what amounts to an entire chapter to make a point.

                  Posting large extracts with a small contribution of commentary is not sufficient.

                  Relevant rule:

                  Level 2

                  Copyright infringement. Users may post very brief excerpts of content from other websites, with a link to the online source. This should be no more than a short paragraph, accompanied by commentary.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 28, 2016 @ 7:36 pm

                • Well that would be nice if they are going by their own rules, there are several people that posted long paragraphs but nothing happened to them so how long is long.
                  You either break copyright or you don’t one or two sentences shouldn’t make any difference whether it’s five paragraphs ten paragraphs or two sentences.
                  All websites especially dealing with information or text should allow fair use so it’s just an excuse from that website to deal with me this way they didn’t have to….. let’s see if they take it down the offending post.
                  By the way I posted the same post here.
                  Oh and another thought usually copyright infringement is brought from the person that wrote the article not from 2nd and 3rd parties that don’t like what you’re putting up and thats exactly what’s going on here…. the offending copyright holder is not making a peep about it because they are dead.
                  If the copyright holder is not going to make a big deal about it why should a person running a website.
                  The Jews use the copyright issue to deal with all things complaining about them.
                  They have no other way to come after you so they come after you that way….. the same thing happened with my videos on YouTube and on TV people that made the issues we’re not the copyright holders but the Jews who didn’t want my stuff on TV.
                  The Jews of Despicable people on how they deal with things but most people don’t see it because they don’t have to deal with it like I had to.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 7:48 pm

                • Sigh.

                  Jim, what do you want me to say? There are other deniers that post on the forum and they haven’t been banned.

                  Pyrro warned you to knock it off and you didn’t. Next time follow the rules.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 29, 2016 @ 8:15 am

                • Jeff I already explained to you I never got an email or warning from phyrro he just kicked me off. if you could show me where the warning is to me personally that would be great I never got one.
                  All you people on the site got the warning and I got it isn’t that fair inequitable…. The fulfillment of Goodwin’s law happened just like I said it would.
                  No surprises here…. always ends up this way p’tickly when the Jews run the show.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 29, 2016 @ 8:46 am

                • You wrote: “I never got an email or warning from phyrro he just kicked me off.”

                  Your comment went into the trash, but I pulled it out. This happens with many of your comments because WordPress thinks that you are not writing something that is related to my blog.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 29, 2016 @ 8:57 am

                • I’m wondering if it matters if I post with my phone on my computer where they end up do you know that.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 29, 2016 @ 9:29 am

                • You wrote: “I’m wondering if it matters if I post with my phone on my computer where they end up do you know that.”

                  Are you saying that you use an iPhone to write a comment? I have an iPhone, which I use to read comments, but I answer comments from my full-sized desk computer.
                  P.S. My photos look better on an iPhone than on my computer.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 29, 2016 @ 11:18 am

                • Believe it or not I use my Android Nexus 6 phone to do 90% or more on my comments here that’s why they have so many spelling mistakes…LOL
                  I speak into it I don’t have to do any typing except correct mistakes instill some getaway and it does all the typing for me and I just have to go back and correct the mistakes this one I’m doing now is the same I’m talking and it’s typing as I’m talking and I’m sure you can do that with your iPhone.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 29, 2016 @ 11:25 am

                • You wrote: “I’m talking and it’s typing as I’m talking and I’m sure you can do that with your iPhone.”

                  I’m old school. I can type 100 words per minute on my computer keyboard. I do not want to talk to a hand-held device which would type for me.
                  P.S The secret to fast typing is to hold your hands high above the keyboard.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 29, 2016 @ 11:30 am

                • I can understand that but once you get into this by voice it’s so easy and you can get a text out pretty quickly. I hardly to do any typing anymore on my phone I still type on my computer though.
                  There is a way you can do it on the computer too I just haven’t gotten to it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 29, 2016 @ 11:52 am

                • “Jeff I already explained to you I never got an email or warning from phyrro he just kicked me off. if you could show me where the warning is to me personally that would be great I never got one.”

                  Jim, I’ve already posted what Pyrro said.

                  What, did you want a personalized message with roses?

                  I’m not sure what you want me to say. I don’t run the forum.
                  Frankly, Stormfront is a better forum for you. I’m sure the dumbasses will lap what you say up.

                  If Pyrro lets you back on obey the rules.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 29, 2016 @ 9:01 am

                • PostThu Jul 28, 2016 7:15 pm

                  I have edited two posts in this topic to remove copyrighted content and I have replaced that content with a link to an online source.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 28, 2016 @ 7:38 pm

                • Jul 28, 2016 5:07 pm

                  I’ve cited the forum rules about copyright more than once. I’ve seen no indication that the forum rules in this regard are going to be followed. I am locking the RizoliTV account, and because the JoeRizoli and Diane King accounts are posting from the same location, I have no legal way to know who is posting what, so I am locking those two accounts as well as the JoRizz user account, and any other iterations I discover.

                  Copyright infringements at this volume put the forum in a legal bind. I am obliged to remove huge excerpts of copyrighted material and I obliged to act to prevent further infringements by posters who choose to disregard the stated rules.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 28, 2016 @ 7:42 pm

                • You’re sounding just like he never email personally to tell me I was breaking any rules so I should have got at least one chance but he didn’t do that did he made it sound like he was giving me all these chances but it still doesn’t deal with the fact that we should all be able to post copyright information under the fair use Act the Jews are the only ones that don’t want it done because it exposes them and it shows them they’re Liars.

                  Oh by the way Jeff you hypocrite you are violating copyright rules from sleptic forum because you’re posting something that is copyrighted right now from that site and you don’t have permission.
                  Did you get his permission to post what you just posted please show me you did.
                  Jeff you’re just a big Jew hypocrite like all the rest of them you use the laws when it fits you but when someone else does it you all over them.
                  Do you FG going after anybody on this site for copyright issues? She can take everyone down for copyright issues if she wants but she’s not an a****** like you and your buddies over there at skeptic. Jeff you’re a complete a****** and you should be proud of youself your Jew friends taught you well. Bottom line is you and your buddies can’t take the truth and when it gets too hot for you you ban people. There’s really nothing else I can say it’s the typical Mo of how you Jew run people are.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 8:11 pm

                • “You’re sounding just like he never email personally to tell me I was breaking any rules so I should have got at least one chance but he didn’t do that did he made it sound like he was giving me all these chances but it still doesn’t deal with the fact that we should all be able to post copyright information under the fair use Act the Jews are the only ones that don’t want it done because it exposes them and it shows them they’re Liars.”

                  Jim, the moderator gave you plenty of chances. You chose to ignore them so you were banned. BTW, from what I understand it isn’t permanent.
                  So, in other words, Pyrro gave you a timeout.

                  “Oh by the way Jeff you hypocrite you are violating copyright rules from sleptic forum because you’re posting something that is copyrighted right now from that site and you don’t have permission.”

                  Jim, I’m not violating a copyright law.
                  It’s a post on a forum.

                  “Did you get his permission to post what you just posted please show me you did.”

                  Didn’t have to. It’s not published or copyrighted.

                  “Jeff you’re just a big Jew hypocrite”

                  😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😆😆😆😆😆😂😂😂😂

                  Jim, I’m not a Jew. I’m not a hypocrite. I don’t agree with you getting banned but you violated forum rules.

                  “like all the rest of them you use the laws when it fits you but when someone else does it you all over them.”

                  Are you upset because I showed everyone that you were warned?

                  “Do you FG going after anybody on this site for copyright issues? She can take everyone down for copyright issues if she wants but she’s not an a****** like you and your buddies over there at skeptic.”

                  Jim, I properly cite or link to everything I use here.

                  “Jeff you’re a complete a****** and you should be proud of youself your Jew friends taught you well.”

                  As far as I know none of them are Jewish.

                  “Bottom line is you and your buddies can’t take the truth and when it gets too hot for you you ban people.”

                  I didn’t ban you. Why are you pissed at me?
                  Next time follow the rules.

                  “There’s really nothing else I can say it’s the typical Mo of how you Jew run people are”

                  I’m not Jewish.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 28, 2016 @ 8:57 pm

                • Jeff phyrro never told me anything personally I emailed him today he hasn’t got back to me for you to say I have a time out I don’t think so he says I’m off the list off the list means off the list right unless he changes his mind…. what he did to us is unconscionable I don’t even know how he can live with himself it’s Hypocrisy at its best.
                  Why hasn’t got back to me to let me know what’s going on. For him to not email me personally that’s being a coward. If you’re going to ban someone from a site you send an email to him or you get in touch with him first and then you tell him what you’re going to do and if you continue on then you ban him. I never got a personal email or notification on the site from him. You do know up in the right-hand corner of the site there’s a thing call notification I’ve never ever got a notification from him he sent out a group note to the list wasn’t that nice of him.
                  Again that’s how a coward would deal with it.
                  That’s how a real honest honorable person would have done it…… a notification or email telling me what was going to happen if something didn’t get corrected.
                  Correct me if I’m wrong isn’t the notification up in the top right-hand corner of that site for letting people know what’s going on within the site or something that they might be doing that they have to correct.
                  Baning my brother Joe and Diane for doing nothing wrong just because they are friends with me.
                  This is unconscionable Behavior to say the least.
                  Diane tells me she’s been from the site completely can’t even get on to read it isn’t that exciting.
                  I’m sure the same thing has happened to me nice people you’re dealing with on that site pretty evil if you ask me but not surprising Goodwin’s law has been put into operation.
                  At least it proved us right.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 9:14 pm

                • Yeah,but if you are over there,they might not like the level of detail you can get to. What I mean is this. A lot of people think they got a pretty good bead on things. You go in there,and you got a lotta folks on your side. You agree with a lot of the people there that the holo happened. Then you’re gonna start to dissect the hell outta shit. That’s gonna put the zap on their head. Yeah they’ll discuss different aspect of this,but they don’t wanna know too much. I’ve known people before that have an opinion on something. Ya start discussing it with them and you start digging deep and they ain’t gonna like it. The facts they got are good enough for them. I’m not saying a person would be doing this to change the other persons opinion. Start digging deeper into shit,and it’s probably gonna invade their comfort zone. I’m not saying you’d do this shit to upset people. It’s just the 3 of you get very detailed on this subject. The people that seriously research this subject,are gonna do that. So when they see you up,their attitude is probably gonna be,” okay with both believe this event happened,but we don’t want to discuss that much detail. Something like that. Make sense?

                  Comment by Tim — July 28, 2016 @ 7:50 pm

                • You and Miss Diane I understand,but Jeff. I mean you and Jeff hold your ground and slug it out. Just how much detail did they cover when they spoke of the holo? I mean the 3 of dissect the hell out of everything. Y’all have fought it out over the tiniest details. Shower heads ,how The Z pellets were introduced into the gas house,y’all have even broke the calculators to prove or disprove,how many people may or may not have died. I’m guessing the folks over there,probably didn’t want their world shattered one way or another. Y’all were probably getting to detailed. I’d like to be able to say I’m shocked,but I ain’t . Surprised y’all lasted this long

                  Comment by Tim — July 28, 2016 @ 7:33 pm

                • This is how it usually ends up when I deal with the topic everywhere I go.
                  Even on my Town email list with the town topics they do the same thing censorship is a big thing when they don’t want to hear the truth.
                  Pretty soon they will be shutting down all websites that criticize the Jews the Holocaust and all these Jew run topics.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 7:38 pm

                • You wrote: “They finally kicked me, Diane and brother Joe, off the skeptic forum.”

                  I was not aware of the “skeptic forum” until this morning when I checked it out. A forum is not the same as a blog, but a person who has a blog or a forum has a right to ban people. I don’t ban anyone unless they insult me personally, and even then, I can tolerate a few insults.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 29, 2016 @ 7:07 am

                • I think you do a great job with your website with the information excetera and you’re very tolerant to copyright infractions. I was banned on the Skeptic website for copyright issues when the copyright owner is actually dead so who makes the copyright complaint……the owner has to make the complaint but he didn’t…. second and third-party people made the complaint so it wasn’t valid but they wanted me off the site because my post we’re getting too close to exposing them for their Lies.
                  I joined the stormfront site were the issues that we talk about are discussed but with people that are more in tune with us and not Dumbo’s that have their heads up their ass.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 29, 2016 @ 8:10 am

    • Okay. This towards then of everything,right? This scenario you speak of. Why are they using fuel to burn the evidence? Hey,I heard towards the end of the war,Germany was running outta fuel. From what I’ve read,the panzers (along with everything else,) ran on gas. I’m not sure exactly what ran on diesel,but diesel or gas is gonna be a precious commodity,since fuel was in short supply. So why are they using,”any kind” of fuel? Second thing here. I’m not sure if this was the topic Jeff was making his comment or not. I may have even misunderstood all together . You and Jeff may have just found common ground ( that hinges on wether or not it was this prison he was talking about). You’re asking what happened to all the people. Jeff was asking the same thing a while back. You both are asking where people went. The reason for y’all asking the same question,may have been for different reasons. I can’t say

      Comment by Tim — July 28, 2016 @ 4:24 pm

      • Tim…. you are right we are asking the same question except that Jeff thinks the Jews were killed whereas I think the Jews were assimilated in all the countries around them. Two different answers because he assumes just because he can’t find out where they went but they had to be killed….. I don’t look at it that way I say we don’t know where they went and that’s the answer what do you want you can’t get an answer to everything in life that’s for sure especially when we don’t have all the facts.
        I also believe that the Jews want you to believe that they were all killed so that more people will feel sorry for them and that will allow them to extort money out of government and do whatever they want to other governments and people at their will.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 4:29 pm

        • Okay. What about all the stiffs? If you’re gonna kill and fire up that many bodies,shouldn’t there be something left over from it. I’m not taking sides here,but something on a grand scale like that,people might overlook something,that would be damning evidence,when it came time for the trial . Especially when the allied forces were rolling towards the prison. It seems to me like they’re trying to burn bodies fast as they can. With that going on,seems to me like some of the nazis involved in the burning,are gonna get a bit sloppy and leave the trail of bread crumbs.

          Comment by Tim — July 28, 2016 @ 4:46 pm

          • There would of been millions of bread crumbs…..but for some reason they all got eaten up by the birds.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 5:23 pm

  3. Good propaganda…..there were no homocidal gas Chambers. Good story tellers for the Holohuxsters.
    Killing numbers not believable.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — May 6, 2016 @ 11:05 am

    • Wow, this is random.
      This post was back in March.
      Jim, I’m bored. You refuse to address the actual conditions in both Poland and the USSR at the time of the deportations, you refuse to address the timetable of the deportations and you refuse to acknowledge the fact of massive military operations taking place.
      I frankly don’t understand this. Look, you, Hermie and I can argue all day long about the lethality of diesel fumes, the building structures, Zyclon B, etc., etc. But neither one of you can honestly say what happened to the Jews if they didn’t die. I honestly don’t give a shit about witness statements or if Gerstein was crazy.
      What I want to know is how the Germans deported 1.5 million Jews into the USSR and where they went between the Summer of 1942 and the Fall of 1943.
      Then I want you to account for 300,000 Hungarian Jews deported in the Summer of 1944 to Auschwitz.
      No more of the “six million Jews sent cross country to Poland to get gassed with bug spray.” That’s crap and you know it. I don’t CARE if the public at large believes that because it is not the case.
      So, call in all of your denier friends and give me some answers. You can post it here and e-mail it, you have my e-mail.

      Comment by Jeff K. — May 6, 2016 @ 3:35 pm

      • Not to worry I am not going to be able to convince you of anything and you obviously you’re not going to get me to believe you’re Holohoax View so we just continue on.
        I don’t have all the answers but I do know when something doesn’t make sense and doesn’t line up with fact you on the other hand like to go along with the invented theories that can’t be proven.
        But they do make for good stories and good movies and the money keeps pouring in for the Jewish cause

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — May 6, 2016 @ 5:02 pm

  4. FURTHERGLORY, JEFF, TALBOT, TIM, jrizoli. In the discussione here about Gas Chanmbers the big technical difference betweeb ONE/TWO SEAT Gas Chambers for the Lawfull Executions of USA racist murder justice and the MASS MURDER GAS CHAMBERS the Nazis used for the extermination oyews,, Gypsies and other persecution victims; all considered as lice and verms. The USA one or two seat gas chambers use sorts of gas and Leutner, running a business of supplying USA prisons with execution instruments and material is an expert in thies field. The technic of the Nazi mass murder gas chambers had been developed from the mass desinfection of closed rooms from lice and verms employing the Zyklon B, more effective than motor exhaustion fuel gasses. Besides, motor exhaustion gasses had the problems of availability of fuel while Zyklon B had been an avalaible German product. Clearly, Leutner is not a qualified expert for Mass Murder Gas Chambers employing Zyklon B. Furthermore, those who built and developped the gasing process for the Nazi Mass Murder apparatus kept their secret for their remaining life time.
    Mind more about the racism still existing in USA murder justice and in the behaviour of Police. The racism and bigotry existing in the thirties may explain the USA policy as Hitler and the Holocaust concerns. The same applies to the great diffusion of negationism nowadays, as shown also here.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 10, 2016 @ 3:20 am

    • USA racist murder justice

      Wolf, you may want to note this piece of first rate analysis:

      THE COLOR OF DEATH ROW

      For those who endure the stringency of this essay, let them also know they will discover that justice depends on geography, that much of America is fair, and that bias on death row affects mostly whites.

      My emphasis.

      If you have gotten the impression that somehow ‘justice’ in the US is unfair to non-whites, eg especially Blacks, then this must have come via irresponsible, innumerate mainstream media reporting (is there any other kind?) — but as usual I do not expect evidence will make much difference to you, since you seem to believe what you want to believe, regardless of any evidence: supporting, contradictory, or otherwise, es ist überhaupt egal.

      Comment by eah — March 10, 2016 @ 4:42 am

      • eah. I note circumstamces and cases showing the shortcomings of justice based on verdicts of juries – twelve persons chosen at random called to decide who has … the2 better lawyer – where the rethoric in the trials prevails over fair fact finding. Judges who reached their office in elections cannot be very fair and objective. Deals like “denouncce other persons you know of commiting the same sin – use of drug, etc. – recall procedures of Holy Inquisitions of Spain. In such conditions defendants belonging to minority groups are clearly disadvantaged. Unfortunately, due to the diffusion of Perry Mason stories iitìn Europe similar procedures are now in force with imilar results. Note that an death sentence due to errors in fact finding or prejudices cannot be repaired. Furthermore until about 1970 in many USA states racial discriminating laws had be in force. Best.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 10, 2016 @ 11:17 pm

        • circumstamces and cases

          Which ones in particular are you talking about?

          Note that an death sentence due to errors in fact finding or prejudices

          They can’t once a person is dead of course — not to mention the huge injustice of wrongly imprisoning someone — but you apparently did not take note of what I posted: that any injustice in administration of the death penalty “affects mostly whites” — and therefore is not “racist”, as you said.

          Und wie ich schon gesagt habe: you pay no attention to evidence, and continue to believe what you want to believe — genau so ist es Wolf.

          Comment by eah — March 11, 2016 @ 8:29 am

          • Remember he thinks Perry Mason has affected the European judicial system. If that is the case then those countries are idiots and they live in fantasyland. I ran a list of people by him,that are either on death row or have been executed. They were white

            Comment by Tim — March 11, 2016 @ 9:33 am

    • racism still existing in USA murder justice and in the behaviour of Police

      What “behaviour of Police” are you specifically concerned with?

      In this context, you may want to note the following:

      Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008

      The link is to a PDF file of compiled US DOJ (Dept of Justice) data — note TABLE 7, Homicide type, by race, 1980–2008, on pg 12, the line “All homicides”, and the 2nd column “Offenders” — there you see that Blacks committed 52.5% of all killings in the US during this period (it has not changed, I can assure you) — to put that in context, Blacks make up approx 13% of the total US population — black males between, say, 18 and 45 y/o, probably make up less than 5% of the total population, but they commit virtually all killings done by Blacks — to condense that for you: less than 5% of the US population is responsible for over 50% of all killings.

      Question: Were you aware of data like that?

      Comment by eah — March 10, 2016 @ 5:00 am

      • eah. 1. Until about 1970 in many USA States racial discrimanting laws had been in force. 2. Juries – 12 persons chosen at ramdom to find — who is the better lawyer – depend on how the presiding judge -in office as result of election Cle resumes the case and poses the questions. Clearly prejudices in population have their effects so as the rethoric of the lawyers and so objective fact finding is often impossible. 3. Death sentences based on poor fact searching – careless analysis or wrong way to question withnesses – are not repearable. 4. The Sacco and Vanzetti case had desastrous effect on the credibility of USA democracy and justice, 5. Deals like “denounce other people comitting the same sinn in order to get a lower sentence” recall the Spanish Inquisition procedures. 6. In such conditions defendants belonging to minority comunisties are clearly disadvantaged. 7. Unfortunately, due to Perry Mason stories, certain USA justice practices are now followed in certain European countries.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 11, 2016 @ 12:43 am

        • Ted Bundy. White. Executed on Floridas death row. Henry Lee Lucas. White. Executed on Texas Death row. Gary Gilmore. White. Executed on Utah death row. Unfortunately Charlie Manson and his family got out of the death penalty,because the state of California repealed it. There’s plenty of white people that get sent to death row. No. States ain’t quick to execute. Polly Klass. 12 yrs. old at the time of her death. She lived in Petaluma,California. The piece of shit Richard Davis raped,tortured and mutdered her. He’s been on death row since ’96. 20 years. Why so long? The appeals system. Black,Hispanic,Oriental or Anglo all go through the same appeals system if sent to death row. Bloods and Crips. Back in their heyday of the 80’s they’d do drive by shootings on each other’s houses. Little 8,9 and 10 year old children would get caught in the crossfire. Get shot and die. Both of those gangs were black. You gonna say the courts mistreated them because they were black? Till 1970 racial discrimination laws in place. Are you referring to “Jim Crow Laws”? Think again. The Civil rights act was signed in 1964. Perry Mason. Are you living in the same decade,the same century as the rest of us. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You watch those liberal pukes at CNN to much. Don’t believe everything you see on TV or read. Perry Mason was a fictional character too.

          Comment by Tim — March 11, 2016 @ 9:29 am

    • That is quite a reasonable observation to make Dr. Murmelstein – that the execution of convicted offenders in the USA is quite different from mass murder inside homicidal gas chambers, and thus the facilities, the equipment, and the precise and exacting procedures deployed in the former, would not necessarily apply in the latter case.

      But we have always been led to believe that Nazis were carrying out a pre-planned extermination program, and were operating an “industrialised killing process”. Thus, before any system of mass gassing could commence, then extensive tests would have to be carried out by trained technicians, because such a process had never been undertaken anywhere in the world up-until that point in time. We have to ask, therefore – where and when did these extensive tests take place, and which qualified personnel carried them out. The process of mass killing in these chambers might not be as rigorously applied to meet the very high standards of a US gas chamber, but it would still require a fairly complex procedure, as well as regular inspection, and duty and maintenance cycles for all the equipment i,e;- the engines, the inlet pipes, the pumps, the regulator valves; the distributors, and ventilation system.

      It is just not credible that untrained personnel in places like Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka could rig-up their own ramshackle system of homicidal gassing arrangements using vehicle exhaust fumes, and then entrusting the operation to a pair of renegade Ukrainian soldiers. This proposition is absolutely asinine.

      Comment by Talbot — March 10, 2016 @ 8:46 am

      • TALBOT. The Special Treatment in the Gas Chambers employing Zyklon B had been an industrial – Ford – style industrialized process where every one involved had to perform only his simple task without knowing too much about the entire procedure and without the need of special training. Beside such a murder action in the Death Camps located outside the Reich in occupied Poland far away from important towns permitted to keep highes secrecy without leaving any evidence. And so we are arguing here.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 10, 2016 @ 12:32 pm

    • “Racist cops”. You watch too many liberal news channels. We had a Harris County (Houston,Texas. About an hour and a half from where I live) Deputy,flat out murdered about a couple months back. He was at the gas station filing his patrol car up. This piece of shit black man ( or maybe I should say boy)walked up behind him and emptied the clip of a 9 mm into the deputy. Prior to that night,the deputy never had any dealings with this piece of shit. They found him incompetent to stand trial. BS ! He went home and told his momma to tell the cops he was at home. Let me guess. He just had the gun with him for shits and grins. He could’ve shot anyone else on his way to the station. Instead,he TARGETED a cop. Ever heard of the black panthers? They’re the black version of the Klan. I guess it’s okay for their black asses to walk around threatening to kill cops. “If you ain’t part of the solution,you’re part of the problem”. Those assholes are part of the problem. The liberal news outlets love these stories. It gets ratings for them . Especially people like you that don’t even live in the states. You get your opinion ( I should say you’re given your opinion ) from these liberal pukes. They’ll never run a single story that celebrates a cop who gave his life so someone else could live. For the record,nobody uses the gas chamber her in the states. A couple states have it as a secondary method. Nothing more

      Comment by Tim — March 10, 2016 @ 8:49 am

  5. Holocaust believers today can just about make a plausible case for Treblinka and Sobibor being “extermination camps”, because they both lie in rural locations, tucked away from large settlements. The railway lines that once served them have completely vanished in Treblinka’s case, and just about hang-on at Sobibor for the very occasional movement of freight or lumber. But Belzec is a difficult location for them to justify as a “death camp”, because it lies right alongside the main highway connecting Warsaw -Lublin -Lemberg -Kiev, as well as the former main railway line leading from Poland into the Ukraine.

    Belzec was the actual railhead for the German railway system. All passengers and freight had to change trains here in order to join the wider gauge Russian railway network, and thus there were busy sidings and freight yards there. ( This railway does not continue onwards into the Ukraine today, but exists only as a local line serving Polish villages.)

    Belzec itself is not large enough to qualify as a “European town”, but it is today, and was back then, a sizeable village that stood on the main road and railway line. One can zoom in on Belzec on Google Earth, and use the “Street Camera” to follow the main road south-eastwards out from the village centre to the site of the former camp – which lies right at the end of the built-up area and railway sidings. There is no rural countryside separating the camp from the village, or from the road and railway line. In fact, the site of the former camp lies in such a ridiculous location on a gentle upward slope, that people walking to and fro into the village; passengers on board trains; and travellers in their vehicles, could look up into the camp and literally see much of what was going on there!

    In FG’s “Belzec Blog Post”, there is a photo image of some gypsies sitting on the ground inside the Belzec camp. They don’t appear alarmed or fearful, but just sit there looking unconcerned at the camera. Many are not wearing shoes – but maybe in those days, gypsies in Eastern Europe were so poor that shoes were simply not affordable! But the interesting thing about the image is the lack of any kind of high security. There are no guards, or dogs, and even the perimeter fence is so insubstantial, that any determined group of escapees could easily break out of the place. Nor is there any attempt to hide the camp from the outside world. Any Polish peasants or farmers working in the open fields beyond would be able to view quite easily what was going on inside.

    So, all-in-all, a very mysterious place to choose for extermination purposes – even though it is claimed that upwards of 434,000 souls perished there. ( although I personally think that Belzec was really a transit halt for Jews being shipped to camps inside the Ukraine ). Apparently, there are only four witnesses to what went on in the camp during its brief existence – three SS men, and an inmate who claimed to have escaped and gave a graphic account of his experiences there. ( but I don’t think he was ever there, but was fed his lines by either the Soviet or Polish Intelligence forces ).

    Comment by Talbot — March 8, 2016 @ 6:10 pm

    • The enire Belzec camp has been turned into a Memorial site. I have a section on my scrapbookpages.com website about the site: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Belzec/Belzec01.html

      Comment by furtherglory — March 9, 2016 @ 5:02 am

      • I read your scrapbookpages/Belzec website and the following words caught my eye:-

        “This huge field of randomly sized concrete rubble covers the entire camp area of Belzec.”

        Now, one has to seriously ask – that if it is true that the remains of 600,000 human beings lie buried on the site, would the authorities be so crass and uncaring as to smother the entire area in a layer of rubble. What are they trying to hide? – is the immediate question that comes to mind. But what do the relatives and descendants of the victims think about this desecration. Were they in full agreement with this arrangement? Surely they would want to establish the exact location of the alleged mass graves and mark out a proper border around each of them, and then place a suitable memorial or headstone upon each one. The remainder of the site would then be given over to manicured lawns and areas for plants and shrubs to grow.

        And I note that the author keeps emphasising the “600,000” figure, but this maybe another example of the holocausters tendency to play “fast and loose” with the numbers. I understand that the only documented figure of those who were transported to Belzec is a German SS telegram recording a figure of approximately 434,000.

        Comment by Talbot — March 9, 2016 @ 5:41 am

        • I researched Belzec before the rubble was placed over the entire camp. I decided not to go there because there was nothing to see. Besides, I could not find a tour guide who would take me there. Driving in Poland was very dangerous during the years that I was visiting the camps. From my research on the subject, I concluded that no one was killed there. It was a transit camp.

          Comment by furtherglory — March 9, 2016 @ 6:10 am

        • Out of the three camps Belzec had the most extensive archeological research done on it.

          http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/modern/archreview.html

          The above article details the drilling for mass graves. The researchers found 33 in total.

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 8:33 am

        • Here is a scholarly article detailing more information on the tracking of mass graves at Belzec.

          http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13501679808577880

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 8:35 am

        • More information, including the sputtering attempt by Mattagono to explain said graves.

          http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/05/carlo-mattogno-on-belzec.html?m=1

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 8:38 am

          • It would have been nice to have had a truly independent team of archaeologists and forensic examiners to have participated in the drilling operations. Something carried out solely by a Polish university is not going to have a very high credibility rating with me I’m afraid. And I note that there are no credible photographs that accompany the words and diagrams in those websites. (one of which you can’t even gain access to – unless you are granted gracious permission from a library!)

            Comment by Talbot — March 9, 2016 @ 9:02 am

            • I knew that would be your explanation, Talbot.

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 9:23 am

            • “It would have been nice to have had a truly independent team of archaeologists and forensic examiners to have participated in the drilling operations.”

              Who would you suggest?

              “Something carried out solely by a Polish university is not going to have a very high credibility rating with me I’m afraid.”

              Well, Talbot, it is their country. The camps exist on their territory.
              The current archeological digs at Sobibor are a joint operation between a Polish and an Isreali archeologist.
              Does that make you feel better?

              “And I note that there are no credible photographs that accompany the words and diagrams in those websites. (one of which you can’t even gain access to – unless you are granted gracious permission from a library!)”

              Deniers:
              “There’s no evidence that the OR camps were death camps!!!!!!!!!!”

              Me:
              “Well, actually, research at Belzec found mass graves and digs at Sobibor found the gas chamber foundations.”

              Deniers:
              “Unreliable! Lies! Forgeries! These were transit camps!!”

              Me:
              “Ok, what is your evidence that these camps were transit camps?”

              Deniers:
              “Um, well….we don’t have any.”

              Me:
              “I thought so.”

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 9:47 am

              • Jeff asks;- Who would you suggest?

                Well I would think a combined team made up of Holocaust Believers and Revisionists – and then the project would enjoy some kind of credibility to it.

                I’m not going to rely on any Polish investigation, thank you very much! Remember – the Polish authorities have been happy for many decades to present this absurd chimney at Krema I in Auschwitz as the “Real McCoy”. And they would have continued to do so until this very day, unless honourable Revisionists, like David Cole, had not exposed the fraud.

                Comment by Talbot — March 9, 2016 @ 10:31 am

                • Jeff asks;- “The current archeological digs at Sobibor are a joint operation between a Polish and an Isreali archeologist.
                  Does that make you feel better?”

                  Certainly not – it makes me feel worse!!!

                  Comment by Talbot — March 9, 2016 @ 10:35 am

                • What’s wrong with the Poles and the Isrealis combining forces and digging at the sites?

                  You don’t want the Poles doing it on their own.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 10:44 am

                • Here’s some more information, Talbot.

                  http://m.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/a-993733.html

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 10:48 am

                • Here are some pictures.

                  http://m.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-119382-17.html

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 10:51 am

                • Story about recent looting:
                  https://m.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/looters-search-gold-holocaust-victimsgraves.html

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 10:59 am

                • Fun fact, Talbot.
                  David Cole now believes that the OR camps were death camps.

                  I also hate to rain on Cole’s parade but Pressac and Faurrison figured out that the reconstructed Krema I was, in fact, a reconstruction back in the 70’s and 80’s.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 10:37 am

                • “Well I would think a combined team made up of Holocaust Believers and Revisionists – and then the project would enjoy some kind of credibility to it.”

                  The problem with that is that it would give “revisionists” credibility that they don’t deserve.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 10:40 am

                • But Jeff – what makes you think that Holocaust proponents or believers have any credibility with me? They may well have with you – which is quite fair enough.

                  And I repeat; David Cole is an honourable revisionist because he went to Auschwitz and helped expose the fraudulent goings-on there.
                  Just because his personal circumstances have changed over the years, and he feels the need to change his views on some parts of the holocaust – then that is not a “fun fact”, but a perfectly legitimate action.

                  Comment by Talbot — March 9, 2016 @ 11:08 am

                • “But Jeff – what makes you think that Holocaust proponents or believers have any credibility with me? They may well have with you – which is quite fair enough.”

                  Fair enough.
                  However, we have the evidence.
                  You don’t have anything.

                  “And I repeat; David Cole is an honourable revisionist because he went to Auschwitz and helped expose the fraudulent goings-on there.”

                  But, he didn’t expose anything.
                  If you want to credit anyone credit Robert Faurrison.

                  “Just because his personal circumstances have changed over the years, and he feels the need to change his views on some parts of the holocaust – then that is not a “fun fact”, but a perfectly legitimate.”

                  Well, let’s see.
                  Cole and Irving now believe that these camps are death camps.
                  I’ve never seen any “revisionist” dispute the Einsatsgruppen killings, at worst they say the numbers are “exaggerated.”
                  Which leaves Auschwitz.
                  You think that the “Krema” are too small to be gas chambers. FG thinks the chambers are too big.
                  Which is it?

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 11:15 am

                • Fred Leuchter is the one and only gas chamber expert. He will tell you that a gas chamber should be small. The gas chamber in Jefferson city is a two seater. I wrote these two posts about the gas chamber in Jefferson City: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/missouri-gas-chamber/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 9, 2016 @ 12:20 pm

                • While I am sure that Fred Leuchter is a perfectly charming man, maybe even a fantastic dancer, I still can’t figure why he is an expert on 70 year old Nazi gas chambers.
                  I’d also like to know what gas chambers he actually built, or designed and built.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 2:00 pm

                • Jeff Fred Leuchter as far as I understand it didn’t build any gas Chambers but his expertise was used on how they work. As I mentioned before he is the one that invented the lethal chemical injection machine that they use today.
                  I can give you his email if you like to talk to him more about that.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 9, 2016 @ 2:07 pm

                • I have written several blog posts in which Fred Leuchter is mentioned: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/fred-leuchter/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 9, 2016 @ 5:08 pm

                • As long as we’re on the subject. Why didn’t the Krauts ever think to use Nitrogen? Oklahoma is thinking about using Nitrogen in their gas chamber. They said the person don’t even realize they’re dying,because they just slip into a state of unconsciousness. Brain shuts down and couple minutes later,their ticker stops. From there it’s on to the great beyond. That has to be more efficient than Zyclon. It wouldn’t take nothing to sanitize the gas house and remove the stiffs. Juxtapose nitrogen with Zyclon,I’d say nitrogen is gonna win.

                  Comment by Tim — March 9, 2016 @ 8:04 pm

                • It probably didn’t occur to them.

                  Carbon monoxide works well enough, as does cyanide.
                  The Nazis used bottled carbon monoxide for the T-4 program but using bottled carbon monoxide for camps in Poland was an expensive proposition. It also made it harder to hide what they were doing. Far easier to use gas engines to produce carbon monoxide than try and ship containers to Poland.

                  Cyanide is extremely lethal in even relatively small doses, as low as 300 PPM. Plus, Zyclon B was a common pesticide used at the major concentration camps to fumigate clothing and buildings so there was a lot of it.

                  I’m sure there are better ways to commit mass murder but the Rwandan Genocide proves it is easy to kill large numbers, even using primitive weapons like machetes.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 8:15 pm

                • Jeff maybe you can explain to me how zyklon-b Works especially when the rooms do not have fans or heaters in it. You might want to read the leuchter report to find out how’s Zyclon B works once you understand how it works and what it needs to work then you’ll see that these rooms were not capable of killing people at all especially the way they were set up.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 9, 2016 @ 8:55 pm

                • If these rooms were not outfitted with fans,how did they get the toxic fumes the gas produced,out of there. I read somewhere it takes a good while for the fumes to leave the enclosed area. Then there would’ve been the safe handling procedure of the bodies. I read somewhere you still had to wear a gas mask of sorts even if the room was said to have been aired out.

                  Comment by Tim — March 10, 2016 @ 9:39 am

                • Tim, the early gas chambers did have to be aired out but the gas chambers built in 1943 had an air exchange system and heaters.
                  Even without heaters body heat is sufficient to release the cyanide.
                  The early gas chambers were fairly easy to air out as they were empty rooms.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 10, 2016 @ 6:26 pm

                • Okay,the manual for safe handling mentioned even after the room has been aired out ( that takes a while too),exposure to the area that was fumigated should be limited to 10 to 15 minutes in order to limit the risk of exposure by way of the skin. They even suggested still wearing a gas mask. Having to take those extra steps,it seems like it would cut production numbers down drastically. That’s just how it looks to me.

                  Comment by Tim — March 10, 2016 @ 10:34 pm

                • Tim, the Germans were not concerned with the health of the Sondercommando.
                  Even with gas masks the surviving Sondercommando talked about having harsh coughing fits and other symptoms of cyanide exposure.
                  The key is that the level of cyanide went down as the room was aired out. Limited exposure is not fatal.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 11, 2016 @ 5:00 am

                • There is one thing that’s a bit odd here. I’ve read where the people who removed the bodies said they were “laying around”. It’s been said these folks were crammed in there so tight,that there “wasn’t” room to lie about the place. Now when these folks died,its demonstrable their bodies can’t fight the effects of gravity,but if they’ve been packed like sardines,I still don’t see how they can drop to the floor. I’m just trying to figure out why nobody ever mentioned that. I figure a fact like that would speak to the actual number of people that did actually die in the gas house at a time. If people are able to drop to the floor,the amount of people in the gas house at a time would be reduced. That’s just how it comes across to me

                  Comment by Tim — March 11, 2016 @ 5:45 am

                • Jeff…… no offense but that is the silliest thing that I ever heard! Body heat was enough to activate Zyclon B….LOL How long would that take to get the chamber up to 80 Degrees? Then air it out and do it again gassing after gassing…..Oh I forgot the heat staid in the rooms, but the gas was evacuated…LOL You do know that the walls were concrete…do you know how long it would take to warm up concrete walls…in the winter. Going from a 35 degree concrete room to 80 degrees takes a lot of warming would you think? I have enough problems heating my 400 ft insulated basement with no heat with a good 4000 watt heater in an hour or so, and it doesn’t even make it to 80 degrees with NO concrete cold walls.
                  in Auschwitz 1 Krema 1 show me where these fan type apparatus was to to that? These thing s would have to be built in, there is no indication of these vents ANYWHERE!
                  I guess this falls under the bodies evaporating and disappearing into nothing. Also if the Z B pellets were dropped on the peoples heads don’t you think the victims would be scurrying to get away from them or at least kick the pellets into the corners of the room? Not to mention the door with the glass window keeping them in, must of been unbreakable glass… There also had to be enough space for the gas to move around the room, which the best scenario was 9 sq feet per person. So the people that said there was no room, only to stand up, show us that 1. that there was no space to move 2. the fans couldn’t disperse the gas around all the victims evenly which is even more important. So this whole scenario you paint to kill people in these rooms is quite laughable and not possible, at least from a realistic scientific standpoint.
                  So mission Jeff if you is to except it is to show me how the process worked in the room they show on the HoloHoax Horror Disneyland tour.
                  I take it you didn’t read the Leuchter Report that I sent the link to in the Holocaust Handbooks and again at bottom here. He explains how real gas chambers are supposed to work.
                  But for some reason you don’t care much for him because he wasn’t a license engineer and didn’t build gas chambers personally…..like that was a thing a lot of engineers did in their past time.
                  So I guess the prison systems that used him for advice must of been horribly fooled by him. He sure seemed to know what he was doing if they hired him wouldn’t you think?
                  Jeff you have to start to do some serious research here the periodicals that you are using are just plain fiction.

                  https://archive.org/details/Holocaust_Handbooks
                  in case you forgot….

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 11, 2016 @ 9:14 am

                • You got the wrong person Jimbo. I’m Tim not Jeff. I don’t even recall saying anything about any engineer.

                  Comment by Tim — March 11, 2016 @ 9:43 am

                • I know I was replying to Jeff who reply to you.
                  Sometimes it’s hard to get back to a post and reply to a person directly so I have to do it indirectly.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 11, 2016 @ 10:02 am

                • Jim, if you click the “Notify me of new comments” button at the bottom you get a response through e-mail, it’s easier to reply to me.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 11, 2016 @ 3:59 pm

                • Sorry Jimbo. My bad. As long as I was on the exact numbers of prisoners that died in the camps,where did the prosecutors originally get their numbers from that were used at the war crimes trials? I mean the figures on that document were way different from what the prosecution said. Seems to me if they wanted people to be inline with their numbers that are in the millions,that document would’ve vanished.

                  Comment by Tim — March 11, 2016 @ 9:23 pm

                • “Jeff…… no offense but that is the silliest thing that I ever heard! Body heat was enough to activate Zyclon B….LOL How long would that take to get the chamber up to 80 Degrees?”

                  As I’ve stated previously, the gas chambers built in 1943 had heating elements and air exchange systems.

                  Jim, Zyclon B evaporates when exposed to air. It will evaporate even at temperatures close to freezing.
                  I’ve put a link below.
                  Also, Jim, humans are mammals. We generate heat. If you pack a bunch of people in a room, especially an air tight or even semi-air tight room, the temperature will rise.

                  “Then air it out and do it again gassing after gassing…..Oh I forgot the heat staid in the rooms, but the gas was evacuated…LOL You do know that the walls were concrete…do you know how long it would take to warm up concrete walls…in the winter. Going from a 35 degree concrete room to 80 degrees takes a lot of warming would you think? I have enough problems heating my 400 ft insulated basement with no heat with a good 4000 watt heater in an hour or so, and it doesn’t even make it to 80 degrees with NO concrete cold walls.”

                  The more heat sources the faster the temperature will rise.
                  Try it.

                  “in Auschwitz 1 Krema 1 show me where these fan type apparatus was to to that? These thing s would have to be built in, there is no indication of these vents ANYWHERE!”

                  I’ve already said that the chambers built in 1943 had heaters and air exchange systems, not Krema 1, bunker one or bunker 2.

                  “I guess this falls under the bodies evaporating and disappearing into nothing.”

                  Well, Jim, if you burn bodies and then scatter the ash I guess that counts as disappearing.

                  “Also if the Z B pellets were dropped on the peoples heads don’t you think the victims would be scurrying to get away from them or at least kick the pellets into the corners of the room?”

                  Um, Jim, it wouldn’t matter if the victims kicked the pellets away, threw the pellets away, et.

                  “Not to mention the door with the glass window keeping them in, must of been unbreakable glass…”

                  The glass had metal mesh or grate over it.

                  “There also had to be enough space for the gas to move around the room, which the best scenario was 9 sq feet per person.”

                  I, uh, what?
                  Oh, that’s right. The “expert” said that.

                  “So the people that said there was no room, only to stand up, show us that 1. that there was no space to move 2. the fans couldn’t disperse the gas around all the victims evenly which is even more important.”

                  Jim, cyanide is lighter than air, as it evaporates from the medium it is stored in the gas will fill up the space naturally.

                  “So this whole scenario you paint to kill people in these rooms is quite laughable and not possible, at least from a realistic scientific standpoint.”

                  So is the idea you need 9 square feet around each person for the gas to flow evenly.

                  “So mission Jeff if you is to except it is to show me how the process worked in the room they show on the HoloHoax Horror Disneyland tour.”

                  See the link below.
                  I’m not a chemist, I’ll take the word of one.

                  “I take it you didn’t read the Leuchter Report that I sent the link to in the Holocaust Handbooks and again at bottom here. He explains how real gas chambers are supposed to work.”

                  Really?
                  How would he know, anyway?

                  “But for some reason you don’t care much for him because he wasn’t a license engineer and didn’t build gas chambers personally…..like that was a thing a lot of engineers did in their past time.”

                  I have no personal feelings one way or another about him.
                  But, again, I go back to my original questions about the whole thing:

                  Why didn’t Zundel hire a chemist to test the walls?
                  An architect or engineer to go over the site?

                  “So I guess the prison systems that used him for advice must of been horribly fooled by him. He sure seemed to know what he was doing if they hired him wouldn’t you think?”

                  Apparently they were fooled.

                  “Jeff you have to start to do some serious research here the periodicals that you are using are just plain fiction.”

                  Research? From the “Holocaust Handbooks?”

                  https://archive.org/details/Holocaust_Handbooks
                  in case you forgot….

                  See the link below.

                  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/cyanide/cyanide.001

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 11, 2016 @ 10:23 am

                • Tim, Zyclon B expires three months after packaging.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 11, 2016 @ 10:27 am

                • Jeff this is how a proper gas chamber works please show me how any of the buildings in the camps were set up like this. This information is from the Leuchter report starting on page 31

                  Gas chamber

                  3.8. Design Criteria for an Execution Gas Chamber
                  Many of the same requirements for the fumigation facility apply to an exe-
                  cution facility. Generally, however, the execution facility will be smaller and
                  more efficient. Zyklon B is not recommended for use in an execution gas
                  chamber generally because of the time it takes to drive the gas from the inert
                  carrier. Up until now, the only efficient method has been to generate the gas
                  on-site by chemical reaction of sodium cyanide and 18% sulfuric acid. Recently, a design for a gas generator has been completed which will be utilized
                  in the two (2) man gas chamber at the Missouri State Penitentiary, Jefferson
                  City, Missouri. The author is the design consultant for this execution gas
                  chamber.
                  This generator employs an electrically heated water jacket to pre-boil HCN
                  in a cylindrical vessel. At the time of use, the HCN is already vaporized and is
                  released through valves into the chamber. A nitrogen burst system clears the
                  plumbing after use. The total time of the execution is less than four minutes.
                  The chamber is evacuated at a rate of once every two minutes for a 15 minute
                  time period, providing some seven (7) complete air changes.
                  The chamber may be of welded steel construction or of plastic PVC. The
                  doors and windows should be of standard marine watertight construction. The
                  door is gasketed with a single-handle pressure seal. All lighting and electrical
                  hardware is explosion-proof. The chamber contains the gas distributionmonitoring equipment, two (2) seats for the condemned and a gas detector
                  reading externally, electronically to 10 ppm.
                  Because the chamber contains so lethal a gas, it is operated at a negative
                  pressure to guarantee that any leak would be inward. The chamber pressure is
                  controlled by a vacurizer system, which should hold the chamber at a partial
                  vacuum of 10 pounds per square inch (psi)57 (operational: 8 psi plus 2 psi of
                  HCN58). The negative pressure is maintained utilizing the outward ambient as
                  a standard. This system is controlled electrically and supported by a 17.7 cfm
                  displacement vacuum pump. Additionally, a pressure switch is set to trigger
                  emergency systems if the chamber pressure reaches 12 psi, 3 psi above the
                  operational limit.
                  The inlet and exhaust system is designed for an air change every two (2)
                  minutes. The air is supplied by a 2000+ cfm fan on the inlet side of the chamber and exhausted through the top of the chamber. The inlet and exhaust
                  valves are both of the inwardly closing type to prevent vacuum loss and are
                  timed to electrically open in sequence, the exhaust valve first. This is evacu-
                  ated through a 40 foot high 13 inch diameter PVC pipe where the wind dis-
                  perses the gas harmlessly. The intake air should have preheating capability to
                  guarantee that no HCN will condense and thereby escape evacuation.
                  Gas detectors are utilized for safety. First, in the chamber where it will elec-
                  trically prohibit the door from opening until the chamber is safe, second, out-
                  side the chamber in the witness and personnel areas where they sound alarms
                  and initiate an air exhaust and intake system to protect the witnesses as well as
                  abort the execution and evacuate the chamber. The safety systems contain
                  warning bells, horns, and lights as well.
                  Further, emergency breathing apparatus (air tanks) is available in the cham-
                  ber area, as well as special HCN first aid kits, emergency medical equipment
                  for HCN and a resuscitator in an adjacent area for medical personnel.
                  Execution gas chamber design requires the consideration of many compli-
                  cated problems. A mistake in any area may, and probably will, cause death or
                  injury to witnesses or technicians

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 9, 2016 @ 9:32 pm

                • Cyanide does have an expiration date on it right? I’m asking because that ol boy that tossed the grenade at archduke Ferdinand’s car ( or I should say threw it in the direction of) dropped cyanide after he tried to frag the archduke. I heard the cyanide was old so he just started hurling his guts out. I’m guessing they didn’t have to worry about the cyanide expiring that they used. You did say something I never hear too many other people say. You mentioned the gas was used to fumigate “buildings and clothes “. Why not just burn the clothes. If they didn’t give a shit about the Jews to begin with,burn the clothes and give em potato sacks to wear.

                  Comment by Tim — March 10, 2016 @ 9:34 am

                • “You mentioned the gas was used to fumigate “buildings and clothes “. Why not just burn the clothes. If they didn’t give a shit about the Jews to begin with,burn the clothes and give em potato sacks to wear.”

                  The Nazis didn’t like the Jews but they didn’t mind robbing them.
                  There’s some justification for this. After all, clothes were in short supply and dead people don’t need them anymore.
                  Naturally this extended to the Jew’s possessions.
                  After all, who needs a family heirloom or money if you are dead?
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 10, 2016 @ 6:10 pm

                • Tim wrote: “You mentioned the gas was used to fumigate “buildings and clothes “. Why not just burn the clothes.”

                  Because very numerous Germans had lost everything under Allied liberty bombs. And because everything is scarce during a war such as WW2. For instance, during WW2, in the French cities of more than 10,000 inhabitants, a decree ordered to collect hair at hairdressers for use in textile industry. Understandably, most of the sheep in France had been used by the French people for meat rather than for wool.

                  Comment by hermie — March 10, 2016 @ 9:51 am

                • Okay. That makes sense

                  Comment by Tim — March 10, 2016 @ 9:59 am

        • Only Belzec of the three OR camps has a definitive perimeter around it – which we can reasonably accept as the original shape of the camp ( even if the actual size has been reduced somewhat over the decades). But the physical size and shape of the Treblinka and Sobibor camps are still in some doubt even now.

          Most accounts describe Treblinka as trapezoidal in shape, but are not too sure if the camp was actually a bit larger or smaller in size than what it appears today. Sobibor is truly a mystery, because I’ve yet to find any credible plan or description that details its configuration and size. Plans of Sobibor are very vague and sketchy, and seem to have been constructed out of people’s imagination. Most accounts say that it was larger than Treblinka – which is odd, because it only dealt with a third of the numbers that are alleged to have gone through the former camp. To me, Sobibor seems to have no defined boundary, but just merges into the surrounding forest.

          These discrepancies between the three camps is yet more evidence that they were not extermination centres; because if they were, then the SS planners in Berlin or Lublin would have assessed in advance the necessary size of each camp in order to match the numbers who were going to be killed at each location. In addition, the SS planning team – being military men – would ensure that the shape of each camp would be square or rectangular, for both security and efficiency reasons. I’m quite certain they would not have authorised odd-shaped camps to be constructed for such a momentous and deadly project of industrialised mass murder!.

          Comment by Talbot — March 9, 2016 @ 10:19 am

          • Please don’t laugh, ladies and gentlemen – but the holohoaxers are now digging around at the Sobibor site, desperately searching for the remains of “gas chambers”.

            And golly-gosh – lo-and-behold – they claim to have found what they have been looking for!!

            Reports from REUTERS and the GUARDIAN on 18 September 2014 say;-

            “Archaeologists found lines of bricks laid four deep”…”They are amazed at the size of the building, and well-preserved condition of the chamber walls”…”They found a wedding ring with an inscription in Hebrew.”

            Interestingly, though, they haven’t found any human remains, graves, or pits of buried bodies.

            The Archaeological dig is a joint operation carried out by a team from Yad Vashem in Israel, “The German-Polish Foundation”, and the Majdanek State Museum.

            In other words, the entire operation is in the hands of the “usual suspects”. There is no independent team of archaeologists involved in the dig at all. So no one can verify the work done, or the artefacts found at the site. Both Yad Vashem and the Majdanek State Museum have a vested interest in finding “gas chambers”, in order to prop up the prevailing orthodoxy of the holocaust, while the “German-Polish Foundation” is a body sponsored by the two national governments who strongly desire that the holocaust myth is maintained at all costs.

            According to one of the archaeologists present – WOJCIECH MAZUREK;-

            “The extermination of people took place there; murder by smoke from an engine that killed in 15 minutes”…”the Nazis even bred geese in order to drown out the shouts and torments of those dying inside, so that prisoners outside would not hear the screams.”

            Oh, is that right Wojciech old chap – they had an engine that blew smoke into the chamber that killed everyone inside. You ought to tell us what kind of engine it was, what fuel it used, and how they induced the smoke into the chamber. You also need to explain how they extracted the smoke before removing the dead bodies.

            And they even bred geese to drown out the screams?. You mean to say that the Germans – who were able to develop rockets, jet aircraft, modern tanks and submarines – chose a flock of geese to do this job. Couldn’t they have used a mechanical siren, or perhaps do what the camp authorities did in Majdanek when they carried out the alleged killings there – rigged up loud speakers and played Mozart all day long!

            Another thing that struck me about this archaeological work at Sobibor is how they got permission from the Jewish authorities in Poland to dig there. Because I distinctly remember the Chief Rabbi of Poland expressly forbidding any kind of digging work at Treblinka. He could be seen on TV shaking his head sternly when asked by the gorgeous “dolly-bird” CAROLINE STURDY-COLLS to carry out excavations there. Back in 2012/13, Caroline had led a team of archaeologists from Cambridge University to search for the remains of gas chambers and human remains at Treblinka.

            But returning to Sobibor, what exactly have they found there ? Well, if we accept at face value that they have uncovered the remains of a large building, one can’t assume that this was a gas chamber! Sobibor was a large forest, with a sizeable logging industry. A forest clearing might well have had temporary structures built upon it, such as sheds for housing the mechanical equipment, tools and vehicles. There might have been a saw-mill there, or even a series of sheltered racks for stacking and drying out cut timber.

            In addition, we also know that Sobibor was chosen by the German army as a work site, and arms dump, alongside the railway line leading to and from the Eastern Front. And here, they employed workers to sort and repair munitions brought back from the front line. It is therefore quite possible that these remains are part of the foundations for structures connected with these activities.

            Comment by Talbot — March 9, 2016 @ 11:17 am

            • I have written sever blog posts that I tagged “Sobibor”. You can read these blog posts at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/sobibor/

              I did not visit Sobibor, in my travels in Europe, because I was warned that I might be attacked by thieves who rob rich Americans.

              Comment by furtherglory — March 9, 2016 @ 11:58 am

            • “In addition, we also know that Sobibor was chosen by the German army as a work site, and arms dump, alongside the railway line leading to and from the Eastern Front. And here, they employed workers to sort and repair munitions brought back from the front line. It is therefore quite possible that these remains are part of the foundations for structures connected with these activities.”

              Are we backing away from the whole transit camp theory, Talbot? Now it was an ammunition dump?

              That’s a lot of people sent to an ammunition dump.
              Where did they house them?
              The site is too small for the amount of people shipped there.
              Snore, Talbot.
              The only thing I see here is the usual desperate denier scramble.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 12:32 pm

              • I don’t know what effect these hideous Nazi geese had on the poor victims as they entered the gas chamber – but they certainly terrify me!

                If I was a naked Jew running along “The Street to Heaven”, under the lash of the SS guards, and was confronted by these aggressive, hissing, honking, quacking creatures, then I would rather take my luck inside the gas chamber. At least in there you would have a good chance of survival, because the Nazis were only using diesel fumes as a killing agent, and when the doors were opened I would probably be still alive – albeit gasping and coughing!

                Some of the “death camp survivors” eagerly tell us how they were revived after their gassing experience – which is, of course, joyful news for all the world, but if anyone had been attacked by one of these wild, ferocious geese, then they would have gone straight for the jugular vein – incessantly pecking-and-pecking at the neck and throat until the unfortunate victim was dead.

                Comment by Talbot — March 9, 2016 @ 1:41 pm

                • “I don’t know what effect these hideous Nazi geese had on the poor victims as they entered the gas chamber – but they certainly terrify me!”

                  Like the psychotic bunny rabbit on “Quest for the Holy Grail?”

                  “If I was a naked Jew running along “The Street to Heaven”, under the lash of the SS guards, and was confronted by these aggressive, hissing, honking, quacking creatures, then I would rather take my luck inside the gas chamber. At least in there you would have a good chance of survival, because the Nazis were only using diesel fumes as a killing agent, and when the doors were opened I would probably be still alive – albeit gasping and coughing!”

                  I’ve repeatedly offered deniers a chance to experiment. All you need to do is get a large Diesel engined vehicle, park yourself in a garage and turn it on.
                  Now, I want you to turn a camera on so I can see it when things start to go badly for you. What’s the “911” equivalent in Britain?
                  According to deniers it is perfectly safe to put a diesel generator in my home.
                  Now, I’m not going to test that but you can.

                  “Some of the “death camp survivors” eagerly tell us how they were revived after their gassing experience – which is, of course, joyful news for all the world, but if anyone had been attacked by one of these wild, ferocious geese, then they would have gone straight for the jugular vein – incessantly pecking-and-pecking at the neck and throat until the unfortunate victim was dead.”

                  Which survivors? What were their names? Do you have transcripts or video? What camps and what year were they there?

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 1:56 pm

                • Which survivors? What were their names? Do you have transcripts or video? What camps and what year were they there?

                  Jeff

                  Jeff the same thing goes for those who went in the gas Chambers and died what were the names where are the videos that show that what camps with a in works both ways you know.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 9, 2016 @ 2:03 pm

              • Its not me whose claiming that Sobibor was a munitions dump, Jeff – its your own friends in the holocaust business:-

                ARC – deathcamps.org states;- “on 5th July 1943, Himmler ordered the addition of a munitions supply area ( known as Camp IV). Bunkers were built and mines were laid around the camp.”

                Jean Rosenberg & About.com states;- “…a fourth camp was added later to store munitions”. ( There is even a plan of Sobibor clearly indicating “Larger IV”).

                The H.E.A.R.T. website also shows a plan of Sobibor, and calls the same area “North Camp”.

                Finally. Sir Martin Gilbert in his “Holocaust Journey” epic, also shows a plan of Sobibor indicating the same area of Sobibor and labels it a munitions dump.

                Sorry to wake you up with this scintillating info. – you can now return to sleep and continue snoring!

                Comment by Talbot — March 9, 2016 @ 5:18 pm

                • How nice of you to bend on principle, Talbot.
                  You actually believed something real historians said.

                  So, it’s selective, then? You take the bits you agree with and dump the rest?

                  I acknowledge that the camps had multiple functions.

                  But, none of those authors stated it was a transit camp (though it is likely that some of the prisoners were transported to other camps).

                  The camp couldn’t support a massive amount of prisoners, Talbot, ammunition dump or no.

                  Now you can go back, blissfully drinking denier Kool-Aid.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 5:43 pm

                • “Real Historians”

                  You mean those amiable “nickel and dime” old hacks that cadge and plagiarise off each other’s work, so they can please their university and publishing house paymasters?

                  Comment by Talbot — March 10, 2016 @ 7:00 am

          • “Real Historians”

            “You mean those amiable “nickel and dime” old hacks that cadge and plagiarise off each other’s work, so they can please their university and publishing house paymasters?”

            Well, unlike denier nut jobs and wind bags these “old hacks” actually managed to figure out what happened to the Jews sent to Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka.
            I’ll keep asking:
            What happened to the Jews sent to the above camps if they didn’t die?
            Are there train schedules, names, locations, commanders, guards, inmates and bystanders that can prove the denier mythology that the Jews were transited to a different location?
            Unlike deniers I deal with specifics.
            We know that Himmler ordered the Jewish ghettos in Poland emptied by December 31st, 1942 (not all of them were, some were still operating in 1944).
            Large scale deportations began in the Summer of 1942.
            Any additional camps or ghettos in the Soviet Union would have opened during this period of time, which means we should have evidence of camp commanders, guards and movement of these Jews at this time.
            Now, based on David Cole we know that some Polish Jews were shipped into the USSR, however, this was a small group that did not include the elderly, women or children.
            I have no doubt that this happened on other occasions.
            What I want is evidence that large numbers of Jews were shipped into the the USSR. This has to include evidence that the elderly, women and children were included. I want locations and ghetto or camp names.

            That’s the challenge.
            You can continue to disparage real historians or doubt the veracity of current archeological digs.

            Fine.
            Prove otherwise.

            Jeff

            Comment by Jeff K. — March 10, 2016 @ 8:09 am

            • Your “real historians” haven’t produced a viable, or coherent, murder weapon yet – so we can’t assume that anyone has died. Anyway, I’m still waiting for you to produce the official forensic report that details the search for human remains in and around Birkenau between 1945 and 1948. I’m beginning to suspect that that no such report exists – the Polish and Soviet authorities just decided to accept the testimonies of anyone who was prepared to make up plausible stories that would fit in with their extermination fantasies.

              After 70 years – what a shambles this holocaust is!

              Comment by Talbot — March 10, 2016 @ 9:05 am

            • Jeff…..where are the Jews that were not executed….WHO CARES! They definitely showed up to collect their reparations.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — March 10, 2016 @ 10:20 am

  6. Hermie keeps mentioning 42,500 camps.

    Here is an article about them not written by hysterical journalists.

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2013/03/42500-camps-and-ghettos_11.html?m=0

    Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 11:31 am

    • Jeff wrote: “Here is an article about them not written by hysterical journalists.”

      Your assertion is partly true because Roberto Muehlenkamp is not a journalist (nor an historian). But Mr. Muehlenkamp is a psychiatric case (severe bi-polar depression and other mental disorders). So claiming he’s not hysterical is in fact very rich, to say the least.

      Dismissing Fred Leuchter but resorting to Wacko Muehlenkamp is hilarious. The mark of 100% biased & deceptive political activists…

      Comment by hermie — March 8, 2016 @ 11:06 pm

      • Your argument would have more weight if Muhlenkamp wrote the article.
        He didn’t.
        He simply relayed information.

        BTW, I think that’s funny.

        Zundel believes in UFOs.
        Berg once bit a police officer.

        You are knocking a guy who has mental health issues but takes care of himself with medication.

        Lucky for him he wasn’t born in Germany after 1933. The Nazis would have sterilized him. Or worse, gassed him or given him a lethal injection.

        Jeff

        Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 5:02 am

        • I wrote about “Life unworthy of life” and mental illness on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/10/21/life-unworthy-of-life-in-german-lebensunwertes-leben/

          Comment by furtherglory — March 9, 2016 @ 6:57 am

        • Jeff wrote: “Your argument would have more weight if Muhlenkamp wrote the article. He didn’t. He simply relayed information.”

          So who wrote it? And why did Muehlenkamp call it ‘my article’ in the comment section?

          [quote] Roberto Muehlenkamp said…

          If the term “historian” means a professional with a degree in history, it doesn’t apply to me. I’m just an amateur researcher.

          What do you think of my article, Alan? Do you agree with my criticism of the USHMM study and/or the way it is being promoted, or do you take exception to all or some of it?

          Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:00:00 pm [unquote]

          Jeff wrote: “Zundel believes in UFOs.”

          And you believe in giant homicidal gas chambers. Tie on that one…😉

          BTW, Zundel is not a revisionist writer. He’s a publisher.

          Jeff wrote: “Berg once bit a police officer.”

          Wasn’t the cop molesting him or something when he did that (assuming the story is true)?

          Jeff wrote: “Lucky for him he wasn’t born in Germany after 1933. The Nazis would have sterilized him.”

          For everybody’s sake…

          The Americans or the Brits probably would have sterilized him too. Sterilization was very fashionable in those days.

          Comment by hermie — March 9, 2016 @ 7:17 am

          • Jeff wrote: “Zundel believes in UFOs.”

            “And you believe in giant homicidal gas chambers. Tie on that one… ;-)”

            I see why you are protective of him. You like talking about UFOs too.

            “BTW, Zundel is not a revisionist writer. He’s a publisher.”

            Nit picking. He’s a “revisionist.”

            Jeff wrote: “Berg once bit a police officer.”

            “Wasn’t the cop molesting him or something when he did that (assuming the story is true)?”

            Does it matter?
            HE BIT A COP.

            Jeff wrote: “Lucky for him he wasn’t born in Germany after 1933. The Nazis would have sterilized him.”

            For everybody’s sake…

            “The Americans or the Brits probably would have sterilized him too. Sterilization was very fashionable in those days.”

            The Brits didn’t have a sterilization program. Only certain US states had a sterilization program, it was not a federal program.

            Jeff

            Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 8:24 am

            • I wrote about Ernst Zundel on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/author/furtherglory/page/34/

              Comment by furtherglory — March 9, 2016 @ 8:50 am

            • Jeff wrote: “I see why you are protective of him. You like talking about UFOs too.”

              In fact, I wasn’t protective of Zundel. I was being sarcastic about your own evidential standards as far as the alleged Nazi gas chambers are concerned. Sorry you’re not smart enough to get that. Really sorry for you.

              Yes, I like talking about UFOs…to ridicule the laughable ‘evidence’ supporting the Holohoaxsters’ allegations.😉

              Jeff wrote: “Does it matter? HE BIT A COP.”

              Your usual story telling in a vacuum once again.

              Would you ecstatically claim the same thing about any non-revisionist guy molested by cops (for instance, a Black guy beaten by racist cops)? Of course you wouldn’t. Because you’re just a biased liar and deceiver.

              Jeff wrote: “The Brits didn’t have a sterilization program. ”

              Only because Churchill’s campaign in favor of eugenics in Britain didn’t succeed as hoped.

              Comment by hermie — March 10, 2016 @ 2:53 am

              • Jeff wrote: “I see why you are protective of him. You like talking about UFOs too.”

                “In fact, I wasn’t protective of Zundel. I was being sarcastic about your own evidential standards as far as the alleged Nazi gas chambers are concerned. Sorry you’re not smart enough to get that. Really sorry for you.”

                Touchy, touchy. Maybe you should go to a pet store and hug a puppy.

                “Yes, I like talking about UFOs…to ridicule the laughable ‘evidence’ supporting the Holohoaxsters’ allegations. ;-)”

                Don’t forget, you also like talking about witches and the devil’s penis.

                Jeff wrote: “Does it matter? HE BIT A COP.”

                “Your usual story telling in a vacuum once again.”

                “Would you ecstatically claim the same thing about any non-revisionist guy molested by cops (for instance, a Black guy beaten by racist cops)? Of course you wouldn’t. Because you’re just a biased liar and deceiver.”

                Again, touchy. I’d hurry to that pet store as quick as you can.
                Actually, Hermie, I strictly hold police to the law. Any police officer who oversteps his or her bounds deserves discipline or prosecution.
                However, if someone is stupid enough to attack a police officer whatever happens is on them, be they black, white or purple.

                Jeff wrote: “The Brits didn’t have a sterilization program. ”

                “Only because Churchill’s campaign in favor of eugenics in Britain didn’t succeed as hoped.”

                My God, Churchill had a hand in everything.
                Was he Superman in disguise?

                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — March 10, 2016 @ 4:28 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Touchy, touchy. Maybe you should go to a pet store and hug a puppy.”

                  I don’t like puppies and dogs. I prefer cats.

                  Jeff wrote: “Don’t forget, you also like talking about witches and the devil’s penis.”

                  And trolls and bigfoots.

                  Testiminial ‘evidence’ is testimonial ‘evidence’ after all.

                  Jeff wrote: “However, if someone is stupid enough to attack a police officer whatever happens is on them, be they black, white or purple.”

                  Are you saying that a Black guy molested by cops must just keep quiet and not defend himself as he can?

                  Jeff wrote: “My God, Churchill had a hand in everything. Was he Superman in disguise?”

                  A busy puppet. His daily evening bottle of whisky was fully deserved…

                  Comment by hermie — March 10, 2016 @ 9:41 am

                • I got two dogs and a cat. The cats a total hellraiser. One of the dogs will be standing in one spot not doing anything. BAM ! Cat comes outta nowhere and slams right into the dog. The cats long gone to another part of the house before the dog even has the first clue something has happened.

                  Comment by Tim — March 10, 2016 @ 9:56 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Touchy, touchy. Maybe you should go to a pet store and hug a puppy.”

                  “I don’t like puppies and dogs. I prefer cats.”

                  Really? Your hero liked dogs.
                  He and I have that in common.

                  Jeff wrote: “Don’t forget, you also like talking about witches and the devil’s penis.”

                  “And trolls and big-foots.”

                  “Testimonial ‘evidence’ is testimonial ‘evidence’ after all.”

                  Are you sure it isn’t because you like talking about the devil’s penis?

                  Jeff wrote: “However, if someone is stupid enough to attack a police officer whatever happens is on them, be they black, white or purple.”

                  “Are you saying that a Black guy molested by cops must just keep quiet and not defend himself as he can?”

                  I’m saying if you attack a cop you deserve what you get.

                  Jeff wrote: “My God, Churchill had a hand in everything. Was he Superman in disguise?”

                  “A busy puppet. His daily evening bottle of whisky was fully deserved…”

                  Not really an answer but somewhat amusing.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 11, 2016 @ 10:33 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Really? Your hero liked dogs. He and I have that in common.”

                  Both of you have tendencies to domination, it seems. I’ve never seen the interest of making an animal sit when ordered to do it, but you and Hitler have apparently different ways to have fun than me. And dogs are so ‘sticky’. They are always after you, following you everywhere, demanding your attention constantly. So boring. When my sister visits me with her dog, after less than 15 minutes, I feel like telling her dog: ‘Leave me alone and go live your life away from me.’

                  Jeff wrote: “Are you sure it isn’t because you like talking about the devil’s penis?”

                  I’m seemingly unmasked…😉

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m saying if you attack a cop you deserve what you get.”

                  Back to the fine line between an attacker and a defender. The victors of WW2 and their heirs have built a whole edifice of lies on the distortion and misrepresentation of that line…

                  Jeff wrote: “Not really an answer but somewhat amusing.”

                  What else did you expect as an answer to ‘Was Churchill Superman in disguise?’ ?

                  Comment by hermie — March 13, 2016 @ 8:12 pm

                • “Both of you have tendencies to domination, it seems.”

                  Maybe Hitler. Not me, so much.
                  I simply enjoy the companionship of an animal that cheers me up.
                  My dog comes and sits in my lap and hangs out with me. I enjoy her companionship. She’s a valuable friend in her own way.

                  “I’ve never seen the interest of making an animal sit when ordered to do it, but you and Hitler have apparently different ways to have fun than me. And dogs are so ‘sticky’. They are always after you, following you everywhere, demanding your attention constantly. So boring. When my sister visits me with her dog, after less than 15 minutes, I feel like telling her dog: ‘Leave me alone and go live your life away from me.’”

                  I disagree but each person has their preferences.
                  I myself dislike cats.
                  Though, I rather liked the cat an ex-girlfriend had in college. The cat was rather pleasant to be around.

                  Jeff wrote: “Are you sure it isn’t because you like talking about the devil’s penis?”

                  “I’m seemingly unmasked… ;-)”

                  😆

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m saying if you attack a cop you deserve what you get.”

                  “Back to the fine line between an attacker and a defender. The victors of WW2 and their heirs have built a whole edifice of lies on the distortion and misrepresentation of that line…”

                  Okey dokey.

                  Jeff wrote: “Not really an answer but somewhat amusing.”

                  “What else did you expect as an answer to ‘Was Churchill Superman in disguise?’ ?”

                  Point taken.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 13, 2016 @ 10:19 pm

  7. “festivities, night-club acts, dancing, drinking, toasts, buffets, women in their finest clothes, decorations, hand-written invitations and cabaret”

    Yup! – that sound like a true “death camp” to me. All that’s left now is to find the human remains of the 850,000 souls who were allegedly killed there, plus the massive pits that most of them were originally buried in.

    Comment by Talbot — March 8, 2016 @ 10:08 am

    • I imagine all that partying must have been incredibly uncomfortable.
      After all, there were some 800,000 people crammed into that little space.
      After all, if the Jews didn’t die there but never transported out, that must have been one busy piece of real estate.
      That’s the only logical explanation.
      After all, you can’t prove that the Jews went anywhere. You won’t accept that they died.
      It is odd, though. Majdanek was a much bigger camp, if you wanted to cram all of those people together I would think you would send them there. Or to Auschwitz.
      But, the odd thing is the neighbors never complained about the noise.
      But, they did complain about the smell.

      http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2016/01/a-document-that-forced-mattogno-to.html?m=0#more

      The above is a report by the Germans about the stench of the camps, the stench of corpses.
      I think soldiers, especially combat soldiers, know the smell of corpses.

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 10:43 am

      • “…imagine all that partying must have been incredibly uncomfortable.
        After all, there were some 800,000 people crammed into that little space.
        After all, if the Jews didn’t die there but never transported out, that must have been one busy piece of real estate.
        That’s the only logical explanation

        Yes, that’s what holocaust believers like yourself claim – but is this credible?

        It is terribly difficult for any of us to get our minds around the sheer size of 800,000 human souls. I mean – a modern football stadium holds around 80,000 spectators when fully seated. And anyone who has sat in such a crowd knows immediately how vast such a throng that is. But the holocaust proponents are saying that no less than 10 of these stadiums full of people were done to death at the very modest Treblinka site ( and believe me – it really is modest in size ).

        I can understand Dr Murmelstein’s unhappiness about people questioning the holocaust, but after 70 years since this painful and tragic war struck the peoples of Europe, the world really must start to re-investigate properly what really did happen during those years. Truly independent, international committees need to be set up in order to carry out the necessary investigative and forensic work at places like Treblinka to establish once and for all if there are large amounts of human remains there, and if there are traces of the original mass graves.

        At the same time, the Moscow WW2 archives ( and any other archives ) must be fully opened for independent historians and researchers to investigate and analyse the material. Only then can the world settle upon an agreed narrative of WW2. This will be difficult of course, not only because normal “politics” will interfere, but also due to the fact that too much time has elapsed since the end of the war, and alas so much evidence has been lost or destroyed.

        Comment by Talbot — March 8, 2016 @ 12:10 pm

        • “…imagine all that partying must have been incredibly uncomfortable.
          After all, there were some 800,000 people crammed into that little space.
          After all, if the Jews didn’t die there but never transported out, that must have been one busy piece of real estate.
          That’s the only logical explanation”

          “Yes, that’s what holocaust believers like yourself claim – but is this credible?”

          Actually, what I’m saying is that you can’t cram 800,000 living people into a camp that size.
          Either they leave, the denier explanation, or they died there, normal historical explanation.
          The problem is that while denier mythology claims that Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor and Chelmno were transit camps no one can tell me where these Jews went.
          If they stayed and didn’t die, then, by denier standards, this was their final destination, presumably until the revolt.

          Which is ridiculous.

          “It is terribly difficult for any of us to get our minds around the sheer size of 800,000 human souls. I mean – a modern football stadium holds around 80,000 spectators when fully seated. And anyone who has sat in such a crowd knows immediately how vast such a throng that is. But the holocaust proponents are saying that no less than 10 of these stadiums full of people were done to death at the very modest Treblinka site ( and believe me – it really is modest in size ).”

          I think its current size is a little deceptive. The camp was bigger, though not by much. The memorial doesn’t cover the full camp.

          Which brings me back to my previous point.
          Either the inhabitants transferred on to somewhere else, which no denier can prove, or they died there.
          It’s easier to get rid of bodies than to try and feed, clothe and shelter 800,000 or so people.
          Talbot, these Jews didn’t show up all at once. These deportations took months.

          “I can understand Dr Murmelstein’s unhappiness about people questioning the holocaust,”

          For obvious reasons, undoubtedly family and family friends died during this event.

          “but after 70 years since this painful and tragic war struck the peoples of Europe, the world really must start to re-investigate properly what really did happen during those years. Truly independent, international committees need to be set up in order to carry out the necessary investigative and forensic work at places like Treblinka to establish once and for all if there are large amounts of human remains there, and if there are traces of the original mass graves.”

          I actually agree with you, specifically with detailed archeological digs at Chelmno, Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor.

          The problem that any sort of research like that taking place at these sites is the interference on religious grounds by Poland’s Chief Rabbi. There have already been issues with archeological digs at Sobibor, the crew that discovered the foundations of the gas chambers there had problems with the Rabbi interfering.
          The chief objection is that any disturbance of the graves violates Jewish burial taboos.
          Now, while I completely respect any and everyone’s religious traditions I feel in this case that exposing those graves is warranted, especially as all of these sites are essentially crime scenes where mass murders took place.
          However, I don’t see this happening any time soon.

          “At the same time, the Moscow WW2 archives ( and any other archives ) must be fully opened for independent historians and researchers to investigate and analyse the material. Only then can the world settle upon an agreed narrative of WW2. This will be difficult of course, not only because normal “politics” will interfere, but also due to the fact that too much time has elapsed since the end of the war, and alas so much evidence has been lost or destroyed.”

          Again, I agree. The Russians will dribble out information but getting full exposure will be a problem.
          In their defense it is quite possible that they may not know everything they have.

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 12:36 pm

          • Jeff The Russians know plenty thats why they are holding back the remaining death records of Auschwitz.
            The information they have most likely destroys the HoloHoax as most people see it.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — March 8, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

            • Jim, if you have Netflix then I recommend the documentary “Auschwitz, Blue Prints of Genocide.”
              It details how Russian archives are now being opened.
              Not just to regular historians.
              I think Mattagono, Graf and Kues have all done research in the Moscow Archives.
              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 1:02 pm

              • “I think its current size is a little deceptive. The camp was bigger, though not by much. The memorial doesn’t cover the full camp.” I think your pronouncements about such things are laughable, considerIng you’ve never visited any of the locations in question and are unable to speak or comprehend even rudimentary German

                Comment by Schlageter — March 8, 2016 @ 3:20 pm

                • Um, I can look at aerial photos taken in 1944 and current pictures today.

                  It’s called the Internet.

                  What an amazing thing.

                  Jim’s never been to any of the sites, either.

                  Does that disqualify him from being a denier?

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 3:29 pm

                • All the books are here….
                  https://archive.org/details/Holocaust_Handbooks
                  Reading Treblinka book now….

                  This is what I use…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — March 8, 2016 @ 4:05 pm

            • Ask the ruskies how many Jews Stalin had murdered. He may not have gassed em,but he murdered them all the same.

              Comment by Tim — March 8, 2016 @ 4:46 pm

    • Here is some more information about “steam” (one of Jim’s favorite things to talk about plus transit camps.

      http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/06/a-short-update-on-steam.html?m=0

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 11:20 am

      • Jeff…..Steam is not my favorite thing to talk about as one of the HoloHuxsters lies on how people were supposedly killed in the camps.
        My favorite is how millions of people could be exterminated and leave NO trace, Nada Zilch, Poof, Gone with the wind.
        If there is any miracle on HoloHoax history that has to be the best.
        And the answer I get is It happened shut up you Holocaust denier….LOL
        I didn’t know the Jews were so religious to actually believe in such miracles. I always thought they were atheists.
        A Jew being an atheist go figure…..for them to even say they are Jews is based on the book they seem not to acknowledge the Bible.
        Pretty funny! They become religious when they talk about their heritage, but other than that they deny the God that supposedly brought them out of the land of Egypt escaping from those big bad Egyptians.

        Jim Rizoli
        CCFIILE.COM
        RIZOLITV.COM
        IHR.ORG
        VHO.ORG

        Comment by jrizoli — March 8, 2016 @ 12:42 pm

        • No. What makes no sense is the parties. Sounded like a frat house party. The only thing missing was John Belushi in his Toga. Really,think about it. If the Krauts hate Jews as bad as everyone says they do,why are they gonna let them party their ass off? They let these people have a big blowout,because they were “favored” by the prison big dogs. That don’t make sense. I thought they looked at all the inmates (Jews,Gypsies etc) as being subhuman. If that’s the case,you ain’t gonna have shit for feelings towards any of them. If hitler hated the Jews so much,don’t you think people would worry about word of this gettin back to him? Big deal. These few Jews were doing extra shit around the yard there. I’d figure the prison officials would say,”do extra shit,we let you live a couple days longer”. I figure that would be the extent of their generosity.
          Just like the signs they have that were supposed to calm folks when they got off the rails. All the guards probably had MP40’s. Those bad boys fire at a rate of 550 RPM ( okay the clip wasn’t that big,so actually being able to shed that many rounds,would be a bit tough having to keep changing the clip). The people gettin off the trains start gettin rowdy,give em a bad case of lead poison. I ran across a site called ” the holocaust explained”. It just lead to more confusion. It said the prisoners “were identified by numbers printed on their clothing”. Make up my mind please. Were the numbers on their clothing or did they get tatts? It said the men were given trousers,shirts and vests. The women were given smock type dresses to wear. What happened to the stripped PJs they were supposed to have worn. There’s too much conflicting information when it comes to this subject. I thought I knew what confusion was from Nam. The. Confusion I left Nam with,is small potatoes compared to the confusion that comes from this subject.

          Comment by Tim — March 8, 2016 @ 4:44 pm

        • jrizoli. The Germans have learned very well the Taylor teaching about Scientific Labor Management and had been able to set up and run an industrialized killing organization where every perpetrator performed only his little part of the mass killing and only few chiefs had the controll over the entire extermination action which can be compared with a Ford like production chain. Your friend Leutner is expert of individual killings in Gas Chambers, called by USA murder justice, places of lawfull executions.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 9, 2016 @ 8:47 am

          • If you want the whole story go to # 9 of the Holocaust Handbooks….
            I can’t convince you of what happened but only direct you to the information.
            You have to come to your own conclusions.

            I personally have all these books in hard copy and web link below.
            I also have money others that are just as good not in the handbook series.

            https://archive.org/details/Holocaust_Handbooks

            Conclusion

            In this study, I have described, first of all, the literary formation of the thesis, presently upheld by official historiography, of mass exterminations at Belzec by means of diesel engine exhaust gas; I have shown that it represents the culmination of the propaganda legends spread during the Second World War by professionals in atrocity propaganda like Jan Karski. I have exhaustively demonstrated how this version came to prevail over the other two versions – just as untrue – of extermination by means of electrocution and by means of “trains of death.” I have further shown that the two principal testimonies on which the extermination thesis has been tendentiously constructed – those of Rudolf Reder and of Kurt Gerstein – are not only in irreconcilable disagreement with each other over the type of engine used for the alleged murder of the victims (diesel for one, gasoline for the other), but even with respect to its very use as an instrument of murder: Whereas Gerstein attributed the death of the victims in the alleged gas chambers to the exhaust gases from his diesel engine, Reder asserted that the exhaust gases of his gasoline engine were released into the open air instead of into the gas chambers! The official thesis, based on the so-called ‘Gerstein report,’ has therefore been openly denied ever since the immediate postwar period. Once the murder method had been selected – exhaust gases from a diesel engine – the judiciary quickly entered the fray on the side of historiography, to give it its official blessing and to disseminate it worldwide through the farcical trial testimonies as a worthy epilogue to the black propaganda of the war years. The thesis of mass extermination at Belzec not only collapses under the weight of its own principal main witnesses, it also runs up against insurmountable material impossibilities, especially those concerning the cremation of the alleged victims. Polish archeological research has dealt the final deathblow to the official thesis: Its findings categorically disprove the possibility of burying 600,000 (or several hundred thousand), corpses, and the quantity of bodies, bones, and ashes that was discovered are absolutely incompatible with such an enormous massacre. Moreover, the total absence of archeological evidence of the alleged extermination installations completely refutes the conflicting testimonies that are the basis for the extermination claims, testimonies Tregenza has already qualified “as not reliable” (rendering them thus doubly unreliable). The excavations at Belzec have therefore contributed greatly to revealing the truth – but not the official truth! Now that the hypothesis of mass extermination has been ruled out, there remains only one alternative: Belzec was a transit camp for the transfer of Jews to the east.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — March 9, 2016 @ 8:51 am

    • Don’t forget. There’s always the one drunk who dances around with the lampshade on his head. This sounds like a party Brother Bluto from “Animal House” would be proud of. They should’ve turned it into a “Toga” party.

      Comment by Tim — March 8, 2016 @ 12:23 pm

      • Great movie, Animal House. A true classic.

        Jeff

        Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 1:11 pm

        • “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?”. One of the classic lines spoke by Brother Bluto in the movie.

          Comment by Tim — March 9, 2016 @ 7:24 am

          • I think it’s on Prime Video, may have to watch this weekend.

            Comment by Jeff K. — March 9, 2016 @ 8:13 am

  8. Okay this don’t make good sense. In American courts the witnesses have to “be positive”,when they identify a person that’s committed a crime. Guess Israel has a Kangaroo Court System. Couple years later they cut this guy loose. It turns out the real “Ivan the Terrible” was “probably”,a guard named Marchenko that was killed by a shovel. “Probably”? So once again nobody knows their ass from a hole in the ground. Clearly you had 5 so called “witnesses”,that wouldn’t know the “real” Ivan,if he walked up and bit them in the ass. How many other trials were held,where people got sent to lockdown by people that “positively” identified them as being a criminal,when it could’ve been another person.

    Comment by Tim — March 8, 2016 @ 9:47 am

  9. Excellent summary thanks! I reading the book Treblinka right now…..all the testimony given about homicidal gas chambers was pure fantasy……For a camp that they say that was involved in killing so many people you would think they would of had many crematory there but there wasn’t any….I guess the Germans forgot that most important step in the process. So the best way to explain it is to say they all disappeared……
    Your post says that they buried all the remains mixed with sand in one spot….Really now, and where might that be? Pretty easy site to find if it had all those bones and teeth in it. No…..they all just disappeared, poof, gone with the wind…..870,000 bodies x 8 lbs of ash (without the sand)…..can you imagine how much that even is?
    That would make for one huge hole.
    Just using logic you can see the whole thing is one big scam. And believe it or not people believe it.

    Jim Rizoli
    CCFIILE.COM
    RIZOLITV.COM
    IHR.ORG
    VHO.ORG

    Comment by jrizoli — March 8, 2016 @ 9:31 am

  10. Ah the old Treblinka joke. To understand the reality of it all one should see the Treblinka research documentary on youtube. It was made by one Caroline Sturdy Colls, a British forensic scientist. She has done more for revisionism and truth than anyone else with regard to treblinka. Though of course she didn’t mean to. The reality is that even if the Hoefle telegram is correct if you wanted to hide the truth that Treblinka was indeed a transit camp you would simply destroy the records of trains full of jews leaving the camp.

    A few key issues with regards to Treblinka. Firstly it would be impossible to have buried and then dug up and burned such a number (800,000) bodies without massive resources of men and huge amounts of wood.

    The ground penetrating radar used by some including Sturdy Colls showed no ground disturbance whatever, even though the graves would have been easy to discern had they been there.

    The official narrative is that everyone who went into Treblinka was killed. No one left the place. that is a complete lie. Spielberg’s films about the holohoax interviewed many people who stated clearly they went to Treblinka and then left after a few hours to end up in another work camp.

    The reality is thet Treblinka 2 was built for the specific use as a transit camp after it became clear that the main station up the track at Malkinia Junction simply couldn’t cope with the train numbers etc. When its work was done T2 was dismantled.

    The Treblinka claims are lies and have no basis in reality or science.

    Comment by Mr B — March 8, 2016 @ 8:33 am

    • “The reality is thet Treblinka 2 was built for the specific use as a transit camp after it became clear that the main station up the track at Malkinia Junction simply couldn’t cope with the train numbers etc.”

      Ah, the beloved “Transit Camp Theory” that deniers love to drivel on about.
      I’ll ask you then.

      Where, exactly, were these Jews transited TOO?
      Treblinka did not open until July of 1942. If you are saying the Jews were sent somewhere, where did they go?
      To the USSR?
      Other camps in Poland?
      What is your proof of this?
      If the camps were in the USSR, where were their locations? Who commanded these camps? Are there eyewitness accounts of these camps from bystanders, inmates, guards, commanders?
      If they were ghettos, where were they located? What were the numbers and ethnic combinations at these camps?
      Do you have train schedules?
      How were these camps supplied in the middle of a war zone?
      Or with a partisan war going on?

      ” When its work was done T2 was dismantled.”

      Actually the SS dismantled the camp after the inmates revolted.

      “The Treblinka claims are lies and have no basis in reality or science.”

      Well, they look pretty good compared to denier arguments.

      Sincerely,
      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 8:54 am

    • mr b. LECK MICH AM ARSCH. – KISS MY ASS.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 8, 2016 @ 9:01 am

      • Good day, Wolf.
        Hope it finds you in good health.
        Jeff

        Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 9:06 am

        • JEFF. i am already 80 years old and have to cope with serious health problems. When reading here certain comments making funn of the painfull exèpiriences all Shoah survivors more o less passed through I can lose my temper as any reasonable rebuke is impossible. Indeed those comments showing more anti Semitism than ignorance deserve only a rude answer. That is all. Thanks for Your kindness. Wolf.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 8, 2016 @ 10:05 am

          • I completely understand.
            The rudeness and insensitivity irritates me as well, not for my sake but the complete lack of understanding that you and others like you went through.

            Best wishes, then.

            Jeff

            Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 10:16 am

          • I am already 82 years old and have no health problems. I recommend kombucha which is a drink that is good for your health. It cures everything. http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Becoming-cultured-about-the-benefits-of-kombucha-6810575.php

            At 82, I still have good eyesight and don’t wear glasses. No hearing aid either. I can walk without a cane, but I still carry a cane, just in case.

            Comment by furtherglory — March 8, 2016 @ 1:33 pm

            • I extend my best wishes to your continuing health.

              I may look into the drink you are suggesting. My wife uses essential oils which is helping her health problems.

              I don’t have any major issues other than the standard problems a 45 year old has. I have more aches and pains than I did at 40…or 30 for that matter.

              I try and eat better but that’s a work in progress. I am going to the gym 3 times a week so I have that going for me.

              I only hope to make it to my 80’s.
              You and Wolf are very interesting. You offer a glimpse into what was, a time I can hardly imagine. No TV’s, cell phones, internet, satellites, etc. I’m old enough to remember a time with only 4 TV channels, no cell phones and home computers a rarity.
              I like technology but I’m not addicted to it. My nieces and my boys love their electronics.
              One memory I have is with my three nieces, all sitting at a table. They didn’t talk, they just sat there texting each other and their friends.
              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 1:55 pm

            • FURTHERGLORY. Good for You and for Your work in this site. So we can debate as long I will be able to write my comments. By the way, my doctors advised me to avoid deliver oral speeches or take part in pubblic discussions and allowed me only writing.

              Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 9, 2016 @ 8:55 am

              • There is an old saying “Never go to a doctor, unless you are carried there.” I have followed this advice for most of my life. I do not have a doctor who is “my doctor.” When I was a child, I lived in a small town that did not have a doctor, so my mother never took me to a doctor. I currently go to a Chinese TCM doctor (Traditional Chinese Medicine) whenever I need advice. He tells me that I am in good health, and that I don’t need any medication of any kind.

                Comment by furtherglory — March 9, 2016 @ 9:02 am

      • The ground penetrating radar used by some including Sturdy Colls showed no ground disturbance whatever

        So what do you have to say about this, Wolf? — I mean besides “LECK MICH AM ARSCH” — I think there is universal agreement that if the Treblinka story is true, ie if the bodies were first buried in large pits, then dug up and burned, then the images from the ground penetrating radar would show a significant underground disturbance, likely across a fairly wide area — but nothing like that was found — also it seems this kind of thing could easily be repeated without violating “Jewish burial taboos” — so why doesn’t that happen? — if the (former) burial pits are there, they would certainly be seen on the images — this would provide very useful evidence for the ‘extermination’ claims, right?

        Comment by eah — March 8, 2016 @ 1:47 pm

        • Here is what happened to the Jews..

          From the Book Treblinka- Transit Camp or Extermination Camp
          by Carlo Mottogno Jurgen Graf

          Starts at bottom of page 191-193

          For approximately 2,000 years, a struggle has been fought against Jewry, which has so far been in vain. It is only since 1933 have we started to seek ways and means, which permit a complete separation of Jewry from the body of the German people. The work toward the solution accomplished to date can basically be subdivided as follows:
          1. Expulsion of the Jews from various areas of life of the German people. Here, the laws enacted by the legislators should form a foundation, which also offers the guarantee of protecting future generations from a possible new inundation by the enemy. 2. The aim of completely expelling the enemy from the territory of the Reich. Considering the highly limited living-space available to the German people, it was hoped that this problem would be essentially solved through acceleration of emigration of the Jews. Since the beginning of the war in 1939, these possibilities for emigration have become increasingly reduced; on the other hand, the economic domain of the German people steadily increased in comparison with its living-space, so that today, considering the large number of the Jews residing in these territories, a complete expulsion by means of emigration is no longer possible. Since our next generation will no longer see this problem as realistically and, on the basis of past experiences, will no longer see it clearly enough, and because the matter, once it has started rolling, makes a settlement urgent, the whole problem must be solved by the present generation. For that reason, the complete expulsion or separation of the millions of Jews residing in the European economic domain is a compelling commandment in the struggle to secure the existence of the German people. Beginning with the territory of the Reich and leading to the rest of the European nations included in the final solution, the Jews will be continuously transported to the east into large camps, some existing, some still to be constructed, from whence they will either be put to work or be taken still farther to the east. The old Jews, as well as the Jews with high war decorations (Iron Cross, First Class; Golden Medal for Bravery etc.) will continue to be resettled in the city of Theresienstadt located in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia. It lies in the nature of things that these in part very difficult problems can be solved only with ruthless severity in the interests of the ultimate security of our people.” In a report entitled “Financing the Measures for the Solution of the Jewish Problem” of December 14, 1942, Ministerial Counselor Maedel summed up the National Socialist policy toward the Jews as follows:548 “The Reich Marshal charged the Reichsführer-SS and Chief of the German Police a long time ago with preparing the measures, which will serve the final solution of the European Jewish question. The ReichsführerSS has entrusted the execution of these tasks to the Chief of the Security Police and of the SD. Initially, the latter promoted the legal emigration of the Jews overseas by special measures. When, on the outbreak of the war,the emigration overseas was no longer possible, he initiated the gradual clearing of the Reich territory of Jews by their deportation to the east. Moreover, in more recent times old peoples’ homes (old peoples’ ghettos) have been established within Reich territory for the admission of Jews, e.g. in Theresienstadt. Indications as to the particulars are found in the note of August 21, 1942. The establishment of additional old peoples’ homes in the eastern territories is imminent.”

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — March 8, 2016 @ 1:48 pm

  11. Thank you for the extensive information about Treblinka.
    What about Sobibor and Belzec?

    Jeff

    Comment by Jeff K. — March 8, 2016 @ 8:02 am


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