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March 12, 2016

Who was “the most diabolical criminal in all human history”?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 10:03 am

Just in case there might be some newbs reading this, who don’t know who the most diabolical criminal in all human history was, I won’t keep you in suspense. “The most diabolical criminal in all human history” was, of course, Rudolf Hoess, the commandant of Auschwitz.

Rudolf Hoess the commandant of Auschwitz

Rudolf Hoess

The following quote is from a news article which you can read in full here:

Begin quote

The Auschwitz commander [Rudolf Hoess] who oversaw the deaths of 2.5 million people was captured and interrogated by a Jewish soldier.

Liverpool-born Karl Louis Abrahams was part of the team which tracked down Rudolf Hoess, the man in charge of the [Auschwitz] death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland from 1940 to 1943.

The arrest was made on March 11 1946, 70 years ago this week.

Hoess introduced the use of Zyklon B in the camp’s gas chambers, which could kill 2,000 victims in less than an hour, and confessed in 1946 to being responsible for 2.5 million deaths – most of them Jews.

Sergeant Karl Abrahams joined the British Army Intelligence Corps in 1942, but it was not until 1946 that he was given the mission of his life, to apprehend who he called “the most diabolical criminal in all human history”.

End quote

You can read the confession of Rudolf Hoess on my website here:

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/DeathStatistics.html

The current number, for the Jews killed at Auschwitz is 1.1 million. Why did Rudolf Hoess confess to more than twice this number?  The newspaper article does not mention that Rudolf Hoess was tortured, by “the Jewish Brigade”, in order to force him to give this false confession.

I wrote about the confession of Rudolf Hoess on my website here:  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/RudolfHoess.html

I wrote about Rudolf Hoess, the man, on my website here: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/RudolfHoess.html

You can read more lies told by Rudolf Hoess, after he was severely tortured, on my website here:

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/BelsenIncident.html

Rudolf Hoess was hanged near the gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp

Rudolf Hoess was hanged near gas chamber in Auschwitz camp

Mound of grass beside the entrance into the Auschwitz gas chamber

My 1998 photo of the mound of grass beside the entrance into Auschwitz gas chamber

36 Comments »

  1. There is no way I could have kept up the high death rates by the process that they had it would have been Impossible Too Many people would have had to been removed and two shot of a. Of time it just couldn’t happen. Plus you didn’t see them washing Down the Walls or anything like that happening after the gas ins did you. That just shows that the people that claim they saw these things really didn’t see anything and it’s just making them up as they go along in order for someone to really understand how it all works they would have been mentioning a lot more things that happened in that supposedly gas chamber that kill so many people. From what I can read that’s all that place was used as the morgue and then it was used as a bomb shelter.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — March 14, 2016 @ 11:48 am

  2. They found evidence of cyanide on all of the items.

    The link posted: The Cracow Report of 1945 — it’s assumed this report is presented in full — it’s in German (“German translation from Polish”) and English — it’s assumed the translations are accurate.

    Germar Rudolf addresses the problems with this report well enough: A Brief History of Forensic Examinations of Auschwitz

    This expert report should be treated with caution, because forensic examinations and judicial procedures under the Communists have been anything but trustworthy, and Poland was in 1945 a Stalinist satellite…One need only point to the example of Katyn, the Soviet account of which was fully endorsed by Poland’s Communist regime…The tests conducted by the institute were qualitative, not quantitative, analyses. In other words, they could only determine whether or not cyanide was present, not how much of it was there…As to whether or not homicidal gassing with hydrogen cyanide took place in Auschwitz, these analyses are worthless, for three reasons: There is no way of determining the origin and history of the hair and hair clasps obtained…the zinc-plated covers allegedly used to cover the ventilation ducts of the supposed “gas chambers”: their exact origin and history is unknown…There is no evidence that either analysis has been successfully reproduced.

    As stated before: basically, re the ‘Holocaust’, the Germans are accused of a monstrous crime — given the aftermath of the war, it is perhaps unreasonable to expect the same high quality evidence procedures as are today the norm, eg the ‘chain of custody’ for physical evidence — but standards should not be so low as to accept evidence from known liars, which describes the Soviets, eg re Katyn, their lying was absolutely epic (not to mention the full catalog of their other lies at the IMT etc) — and it should still be held that guilt must be established ‘beyond a reasonable’ doubt’ (to quote the US standard) — this report contributes nothing toward that — nothing.

    In contrast, both Leuchter and Rudolf took samples not only from the alleged gas chambers, but also control samples from A-B fumigation facilities (where Zyklon-B was used) and from random buildings — their analysis was quantitative, and clearly showed the amount of cyanide present in the samples from the alleged gas chambers was approx the same as in the samples from the random control buildings.

    Comment by eah — March 13, 2016 @ 2:35 pm

    • “In contrast, both Leuchter and Rudolf took samples not only from the alleged gas chambers, but also control samples from A-B fumigation facilities (where Zyklon-B was used) and from random buildings — their analysis was quantitative, and clearly showed the amount of cyanide present in the samples from the alleged gas chambers was approx the same as in the samples from the random control buildings.”

      And the Poles did their own tests and found otherwise.
      Point, counterpoint.
      Talbot asked for forensic tests for the time period after the war and I gave it to him.

      Sure, the Soviets lied or exaggerated in many instances but why do so when the truth works just as well?
      It is also telling that the only response to this test is to cast doubt upon it.
      What I am interested to find is the results of the autopsies the Soviets performed on 536 corpses. I doubt that they would find evidence of gassing, that ended in the Fall of 1944 and those bodies burned, but I would find it interesting.

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 13, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

    • “This expert report should be treated with caution, because forensic examinations and judicial procedures under the Communists have been anything but trustworthy, and Poland was in 1945 a Stalinist satellite…One need only point to the example of Katyn, the Soviet account of which was fully endorsed by Poland’s Communist regime…”

      This is a little deceptive. Poland possessed a coalition government in 1945. It was only in 1947 that the Communists truly dominated.

      Article regarding this:

      http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/PolandPW.html

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 13, 2016 @ 3:43 pm

    • “As stated before: basically, re the ‘Holocaust’, the Germans are accused of a monstrous crime — given the aftermath of the war, it is perhaps unreasonable to expect the same high quality evidence procedures as are today the norm, eg the ‘chain of custody’ for physical evidence — but standards should not be so low as to accept evidence from known liars, which describes the Soviets, eg re Katyn, their lying was absolutely epic (not to mention the full catalog of their other lies at the IMT etc)”

      I agree that it’s difficult to compare the forensic standards of today versus the 1940’s. Also, the Soviets were not as concerned about evidence collecting as the West would be.

      “— and it should still be held that guilt must be established ‘beyond a reasonable’ doubt’ (to quote the US standard) — this report contributes nothing toward that — nothing.”

      The Poles did the tests, not the Soviets.

      I disagree that the report contributes nothing. The Poles found evidence of cyanide in the items presented.
      I also notice that anything presented that debunks Holocaust denial is automatically dismissed. I wonder why that is? Hhhhhmmmmm…….

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 13, 2016 @ 3:52 pm

  3. hanged

    There is no trap/drop — he was strangled, not “hanged”.

    Comment by eah — March 12, 2016 @ 12:08 pm

  4. “The most diabolical criminal in all human history” was, of course, Rudolf Hoess, the commandant of Auschwitz”.

    Oh – I thought initially that this bold statement had been decided upon by a team of distinguished international jurists and scholars. But no, this claim comes from – wait for it – a man who held the lowly rank of sergeant in the flee-bitten, moth-eaten old British Army Intelligence Corps. You know – ” False Information & Dirty Tricks Are Our Speciality”!

    Comment by Talbot — March 12, 2016 @ 10:49 am

    • You recently asked me for the results of forensic investigations by the Soviets or Poles on Auschwitz after the war.

      This was not easy to find and I hope you appreciate the effort it took.
      The Soviets sent items to the Krakow Forensic Institute for examination, among them hair and items from the gas chambers.
      They found evidence of cyanide on all of the items.

      http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/topic/1894

      Now, what I want is evidence that Germans transported the Jews to the East without executing them.
      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 12, 2016 @ 11:02 am

      • Thanks for doing that search, Jeff – but I was quite specific in asking for an official forensic report dating from the late-1940’s, that provides extensive details of the search for human remains in and around the Birkenau complex. I’m afraid that just some items, including hair and cyanide, that may have been found amongst the ruined structures themselves is not sufficient proof that up to a million human beings were exterminated there.

        Apart from the evidence that we have of limited numbers being transported from Treblinka to Maidanek, Auschwitz, and Byelorussia, I cannot supply you with any further information about what happened to the bulk of the Jews who arrived there. It is indeed a mystery.

        I admit – I am at a loss! I simply can’t believe that up to 850,000 souls were exterminated at Treblinka, because the explanations of how this mass murder took place is beyond belief. But, equally. I can’t provide any evidence that these people were all transported eastwards to places elsewhere.

        So regretfully, that’s how we have to leave things at the present time – Cheers.

        Comment by Talbot — March 12, 2016 @ 11:43 am

        • As far as I can tell there were no examinations in the late 40’s, only the investigations done when the camp was liberated.
          However, the dates regarding the deportations of the Jews are very specific.

          “admit – I am at a loss! I simply can’t believe that up to 850,000 souls were exterminated at Treblinka, because the explanations of how this mass murder took place is beyond belief. But, equally. I can’t provide any evidence that these people were all transported eastwards to places elsewhere.”

          So, you can’t believe that the Jews died at Treblinka……but you can’t provide proof where they were transported too.
          Well, we have proof the camp existed.
          We have proof that Jews were transported there.
          So, what happened? They just hang out there until the inmates revolted?

          Must have been incredibly cramped….

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 12, 2016 @ 3:27 pm

      • Yeah well I don’t believe that for one moment, truth and the Russians were strangers to one and other. In any case any clothing and hair etc found in the camps could well have cyanide on them due to contact with the zyklon B that was used to disinfect them.

        Comment by Mr B — March 12, 2016 @ 12:05 pm

        • “Yeah well I don’t believe that for one moment, truth and the Russians were strangers to one and other. In any case any clothing and hair etc found in the camps could well have cyanide on them due to contact with the zyklon B that was used to disinfect them.”

          Uh huh.
          It always amazes me that when confronted with the truth they are quick to call it a lie.
          Or a forgery.
          The question is still on the table:
          If the Jews were deported to the East, where did they go?
          I’m not talking about the camps in Poland, they could not absorb the numbers we are talking about.
          If there were camps in the East, in the USSR, I want proof.
          What happened to the Hungarian Jews?
          They couldn’t be sent to some mythical camps in the USSR, that was no longer an option.
          We accounted for some 70,000 sent to other camps.
          Where did the rest go?

          And “B,” it wasn’t just hair. It was items taken from the ruins of the gas chambers.
          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 12, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

      • You wrote: “The Soviets sent items to the Krakow Forensic Institute for examination, among them hair and items from the gas chambers.”

        Was this hair that was cut from the heads of the prisoners before or after they were dead. The hair was cut from the heads of the incoming prisoners in case they had lice which could spread typhus.

        There is evidence that Jews were transported to the East without being executed because many of these prisoners returned after the war, proving that they had not been executed.

        Comment by furtherglory — March 12, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

        • “Was this hair that was cut from the heads of the prisoners before or after they were dead. The hair was cut from the heads of the incoming prisoners in case they had lice which could spread typhus.”

          That’s a good question. I don’t know.
          However, I’ve quoted the copy of the report that has nothing to do with hair below.

          “There is evidence that Jews were transported to the East without being executed because many of these prisoners returned after the war, proving that they had not been executed.”

          “Many” is rather ambiguous.
          It doesn’t tell me where they went during the war, how many, what their ethnicity was, etc.

          This is not evidence that the Germans put most of them in some sort of camp system in the USSR.

          “These objects (4 complete closing plates of ventilation openings made of sheet metal and 2 damaged such closing plates, as well as the mortar lump) were handed to the Institute for keeping on 12.5.1945.”

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 12, 2016 @ 1:03 pm

        • The report states that the hair and personal items were taken from hair of women gassed and then their hair was cut off.
          The conclusion of the report states that the items taken from the gas chamber tested positive for cyanide.

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 12, 2016 @ 1:09 pm

          • In the absence of any forensic report, or indeed any proof of human remains found in and around the Birkenau complex, we have to question the Auschwitz Memorial Museum to explain why they have placed several groups of headstones in scattered locations around the former camp.

            They stand in groups of four, and the words in English inscribed upon the headstones say to the effect;- “To the Memory of the Men, Women and Children who fell victim to the Nazi Genocide whose ashes lie here. May their Souls Rest In Peace.”

            In the absence of any evidence, is this not a very dubious claim – one that borders on deception? One has to ask – where is the physical evidence for them to claim with such assurance that human remains lie buried in the locations that these headstones proclaim?

            Outside Krema IV in Birkenau there is a pond, and beside it there is a group of four headstones, which state;- “To the Memory of the Men, Women and Children who fell victim to the Nazi Genocide. In this pond lie their ashes. May their Souls Rest In Peace.”

            But the trouble is – there are no ashes or human remains to be seen! All the public are presented with is a very unremarkable pond full of water, surrounded by unkempt, overgrown banks. Where are the 150,000 litres-or-so of ash? – there should be a sizeable island of human remains within this pond. Are the Auschwitz authorities seriously claiming that they lie on the pond bed, beneath the surface of the water?.

            But that is just crazy. No one in their right mind would leave human remains lying in a pond full of semi-stagnant water for over 70 years. Surely the Auschwitz authorities would have drained this pond back in the late-1940’s, and the human remains forensically examined. And then, immediately afterwards, the remains would either by carefully excavated and be reinterred in a proper mass grave, or they would be left where they are, inside a specially constructed Ossuary, where a pond could not re-form again.

            So, we can only conclude from all this, that either there are no human ashes buried in this pond, or that the Auschwitz authorities are very irresponsible guardians of the Birkenau site, and should be investigated by the Polish Government and the Polish Police for not maintaining this massive graveyard in an appropriate, proper and legal manner.

            Comment by Talbot — March 12, 2016 @ 2:27 pm

            • “In the absence of any forensic report,”

              I just gave you one.

              “or indeed any proof of human remains found in and around the Birkenau complex, we have to question the Auschwitz Memorial Museum to explain why they have placed several groups of headstones in scattered locations around the former camp.”

              I’m sure if you asked them about it they would probably tell you.

              “They stand in groups of four, and the words in English inscribed upon the headstones say to the effect;- “To the Memory of the Men, Women and Children who fell victim to the Nazi Genocide whose ashes lie here. May their Souls Rest In Peace.”

              It’s a nice sentiment.

              “In the absence of any evidence, is this not a very dubious claim – one that borders on deception? One has to ask – where is the physical evidence for them to claim with such assurance that human remains lie buried in the locations that these headstones proclaim?”

              I’ll tell you what Talbot.
              Why don’t you research where the inmates went if they didn’t die there?
              I’m sure the train schedules are somewhere, along with the list of camps the various inmates were sent too.
              Auschwitz was a large camp but not large enough to handle the amount of people sent there in its five years of existence.

              “Outside Krema IV in Birkenau there is a pond, and beside it there is a group of four headstones, which state;- “To the Memory of the Men, Women and Children who fell victim to the Nazi Genocide. In this pond lie their ashes. May their Souls Rest In Peace.”

              “But the trouble is – there are no ashes or human remains to be seen! All the public are presented with is a very unremarkable pond full of water, surrounded by unkempt, overgrown banks. Where are the 150,000 litres-or-so of ash? – there should be a sizeable island of human remains within this pond. Are the Auschwitz authorities seriously claiming that they lie on the pond bed, beneath the surface of the water?.”

              Sure.
              We also know that the Germans dumped ash in the river and around the camp.
              Human ash makes very good fertilizer.

              “But that is just crazy. No one in their right mind would leave human remains lying in a pond full of semi-stagnant water for over 70 years. Surely the Auschwitz authorities would have drained this pond back in the late-1940’s, and the human remains forensically examined. And then, immediately afterwards, the remains would either by carefully excavated and be reinterred in a proper mass grave, or they would be left where they are, inside a specially constructed Ossuary, where a pond could not re-form again.”

              Why don’t you contact the Auschwitz museum and ask them this question?

              “So, we can only conclude from all this, that either there are no human ashes buried in this pond, or that the Auschwitz authorities are very irresponsible guardians of the Birkenau site, and should be investigated by the Polish Government and the Polish Police for not maintaining this massive graveyard in an appropriate, proper and legal manner.”

              Auschwitz is a very large camp, Talbot. The museum is asking for assistance in maintaining it.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 12, 2016 @ 3:36 pm

              • You wrote: “Auschwitz was a large camp but not large enough to handle the amount of people sent there in its five years of existence.” Do you mean Auschwitz II, aka Auschwitz-Birkenau? Auschwitz was the main camp, which is very small. The inmates were housed in large barracks buildings in bunk beds that were stacked 3 beds high. There were so many inmates in these bunk beds that they were sleeping head to toe.

                Auschwitz-Birkenau is 425 acres in size. Do you know how big an acre is? If you go to Auschwitz-Birkenau some day, and walk around the camp, you will learn that this is a 5 mile walk, and when I was there, they were no benches where one could sit down and rest. There are two or three benches that are off the road around the camp, but they are hard to find.

                There are several ponds there, but all of them are very shallow. No ashes can be seen; the water is very clear. Some of the ponds were dried up and there was no water when I visited.

                Comment by furtherglory — March 13, 2016 @ 6:07 am

                • Yes, I’m quite aware how big Auschwitz and its sub camps and satellite camps were.
                  Is that large enough to contain enough people for a fairly large modern city?
                  How do feed such a large concentration of people? Clothe them?
                  Oscar Groening said that Auschwitz was like a large town, not like a city. I would think such an intelligent German would know the difference.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K — March 13, 2016 @ 10:20 am

          • I can’t quite understand how human hair could withstand high-explosive detonations, because it is claimed that the Germans blew-up Krema II before they left Birkenau. But this Polish Report says they found 22.5 Kilograms of hair within the facility.

            Are they kidding us? – No one will believe that. All the hair would be utterly destroyed or blown to kingdom come!

            But anyway – even 22.5 Kilograms of hair from dubious origins is a long, long way from proving that a million human souls perished in Birkenau. You’ll have to do better than this, Jeff.

            Comment by Talbot — March 12, 2016 @ 5:09 pm

            • “But anyway – even 22.5 Kilograms of hair from dubious origins is a long, long way from proving that a million human souls perished in Birkenau. You’ll have to do better than this, Jeff.”

              A million souls sent through Birkenau…….where’d they go, Talbot?
              I look forward to the results of your research, Talbot.
              I’m sure that there is a mountain of denier…..I’m sorry, “revisionist”………research that will enlighten us on where these people (not all were Jews) went.

              While you are at it try and find out where all those Jews sent through the Reinhard Camps went.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 12, 2016 @ 6:27 pm

              • “A million souls sent through Birkenau…….where’d they go, Talbot.”

                Well, we do know that Auschwitz had over 45 sub-camps where inmates worked, including the large complex at Monowitz. We also know that people did die from illnesses and diseases such as Typhus etc. We know that in the summer of 1944, Birkenau was being used as a transit camp with inmates being sent on to other sites where war workers were needed inside Western Poland and Germany as the Soviets advanced to the gates of Warsaw. And it is known that the Auschwitz complex was gradually being closed down from the autumn of that year. There were several large-scale evacuations of inmates from Auschwitz during its final days, and it would seem that they finished up crowded into the original concentration camps in central Germany.

                I was struck by how so many of these Auschwitz survivors ended up in camps such as Mauthasen, Buchenwald, Dachau, Bergen-Belsen and other camps and sub-camps. We must remember that at the end of the war, Germany had collapsed into chaos – there were literally millions of displaced people wandering around central Europe – no one could keep records of who-was-who and where they came from.

                But what was quite staggering to learn from the West German authorities long after the war, was that there had been nearly 4 million claims of reparations from so-called survivors of these Nazi camps. My-oh-my – that is certainly a high survival rate from an extermination program.

                But when all is said and done, you haven’t produced a credible method of mass killing at either Birkenau or the Rheinhardt camps. And the absence of any physical human remains found at either Treblinka or Auschwitz is very telling. This means, that you have 2,000,000 missing human bodies to account for. Surely the absence of any comprehensive, systematic, organised search for remains at both these sites after the war, and the total lack of any credible forensic report, proves that there is something wrong with the official story.

                Comment by Talbot — March 13, 2016 @ 7:27 am

                • “Well, we do know that Auschwitz had over 45 sub-camps where inmates worked, including the large complex at Monowitz. We also know that people did die from illnesses and diseases such as Typhus etc.”

                  Typhus is not automatically fatal. Depending on the health of the person that contracts it it can vary from 15%-60% fatal. Auschwitz had an excess incinaration capacity for corpses.

                  “We know that in the summer of 1944, Birkenau was being used as a transit camp with inmates being sent on to other sites where war workers were needed inside Western Poland and Germany as the Soviets advanced to the gates of Warsaw.”

                  We’ve accounted for about 70,000 of them. That leaves about 300,000 unaccounted for. Maybe even more, I’ve gone to the low end of the transport numbers to help you out, Talbot.

                  “And it is known that the Auschwitz complex was gradually being closed down from the autumn of that year. There were several large-scale evacuations of inmates from Auschwitz during its final days, and it would seem that they finished up crowded into the original concentration camps in central Germany.”

                  Yep, but doesn’t account for the million or so missing..

                  “I was struck by how so many of these Auschwitz survivors ended up in camps such as Mauthasen, Buchenwald, Dachau, Bergen-Belsen and other camps and sub-camps.”

                  Lots of other prisoners wound up there too, Talbot.
                  BTW, what are the numbers of Auschwitz prisoners that wound up in these camps?

                  “We must remember that at the end of the war, Germany had collapsed into chaos – there were literally millions of displaced people wandering around central Europe – no one could keep records of who-was-who and where they came from.”

                  Yet the allies had to count those people in the DP camps in order to feed them.

                  “But what was quite staggering to learn from the West German authorities long after the war, was that there had been nearly 4 million claims of reparations from so-called survivors of these Nazi camps. My-oh-my – that is certainly a high survival rate from an extermination program.”

                  Be specific.
                  How many of those that applied were Jews?
                  How many were other nationalities?
                  It’s a common denier fallacy to only think only of Jews in the concentration camps. The reality is that until the beginning of the war Jews made up a small percentage in the camps, it was mostly political prisoners or criminals in those camps.
                  During the war concentration camp inmates included many nationalities, not just Jews.
                  Its also ridiculous to call the concentration camp system an extermination system. It’s a common misconception that deniers gleefully pounce all over.

                  “But when all is said and done, you haven’t produced a credible method of mass killing at either Birkenau or the Rheinhardt camps.”

                  I didn’t produce anything. Historical research has.
                  It’s not really all that hard to kill human beings, Talbot. The perpetrators of the Rwandan Genocide murdered 800,000 people in a much shorter time period than Treblinka was open. They did this with machetes and firearms. Are you saying that the Germans couldn’t do the same? The intelligent, advanced Germans?
                  Your problem is you can’t accept anything that upsets this beautiful new mythology you follow.

                  “And the absence of any physical human remains found at either Treblinka or Auschwitz is very telling. This means, that you have 2,000,000 missing human bodies to account for. Surely the absence of any comprehensive, systematic, organised search for remains at both these sites after the war, and the total lack of any credible forensic report, proves that there is something wrong with the official story.”

                  You can’t prove otherwise. You or any other denier.
                  It’s simple, Talbot. We have transport schedules to these camps. We have transport schedules for some of those Jews to other camps but most remained.
                  What happened to them?
                  Answer that question.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 13, 2016 @ 12:09 pm

            • I’m going to help you out, Talbot.

              http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/4-million-variant

              The article lists the amount of deportees, transports, escaped and released.
              The number listed as accounted for is:

              1,077,180

              Now, that’s a lot of people.

              You once mentioned how hard it is to think of 800,000 people. I agree with you. Humans simply have hard time processing that type of number….our private worlds are much smaller.

              Imagine 1,077,180.
              That’s a very large number.
              Now, I think it is impossible to account for that amount of people.

              But, I imagine that some intrepid “revisionist” has managed to pull the research together to show where at least a good percentage of these people went…..after all, I would think that instead of spending all of their time making fun of survivors or attempting to disprove gas chambers they spent some of their time tracking these people down.

              It has to exist SOMEWHERE, right?

              Good hunting, Talbot.
              Let us know what your research turns up.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 12, 2016 @ 10:01 pm

              • So 1,077,180 people disappeared? Are you sure that it was not 1,077,180 and 1/2 people? What are the names of these 1,077,180 people? There was a war going on, yet someone was able to keep track of a precise number of people who disappeared. Of course, it was the Nazis that made them disappear. No other people could have kept such precise records except the Nazis.

                Comment by furtherglory — March 13, 2016 @ 5:51 am

              • “I’m going to help you out, Talbot.”

                Well, its not me who is in need of any help, thank you very much – it is the holocaust proponents and believers themselves. And if you want to help them out, Jeff, then you could don a frogman’s outfit and dive into the pond outside Krema IV at Birkenau to search for human remains lying on the bed. Then, if you emerge triumphantly with evidence of human remains, then we will all be in the business of beginning a very, very late search for the fate of the missing one million human souls who are alleged to have been exterminated at Auschwitz..

                Comment by Talbot — March 13, 2016 @ 8:41 am

                • I have a photo of the pond outside Krema IV at Birkenau at the top of this page on my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/AshPits.html

                  Note that the water in the pond is very clear.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 13, 2016 @ 9:55 am

                • You wrote [to Jeff]: “you could don a frogman’s outfit and dive into the pond outside Kerma IV”.

                  Don’t tell Jeff to dive into this pond. The water is very shallow. If Jeff ever goes to visit Auschwitz-Birkenau, he will see that all the water is clear, or dried up, so he won’t break his neck trying to dive into the water.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 13, 2016 @ 10:00 am

                • “Don’t tell Jeff to dive into this pond. The water is very shallow. If Jeff ever goes to visit Auschwitz-Birkenau, he will see that all the water is clear, or dried up, so he won’t break his neck trying to dive into the water.”

                  So, you have ability to tell the difference between human ash and mud? Or dirt?
                  That’s amazing.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 13, 2016 @ 12:14 pm

                • “Well, its not me who is in need of any help, thank you very much – it is the holocaust proponents and believers themselves. And if you want to help them out, Jeff, then you could don a frogman’s outfit and dive into the pond outside Krema IV at Birkenau to search for human remains lying on the bed. Then, if you emerge triumphantly with evidence of human remains, then we will all be in the business of beginning a very, very late search for the fate of the missing one million human souls who are alleged to have been exterminated at Auschwitz..”

                  Or you could just prove where most of those people went.
                  Good hunting, Talbot.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 13, 2016 @ 12:12 pm

                • You are right, Further Glory – we must warn Jeff not to dive in to these shallow ponds at Birkenau. But alas, I feel that there are several contributors to your website who will be eagerly telling him to go right ahead!

                  Comment by Talbot — March 13, 2016 @ 12:28 pm

                • “You are right, Further Glory – we must warn Jeff not to dive in to these shallow ponds at Birkenau.”

                  I don’t need to. I couldn’t tell you the difference between mud, dirt and human ash.
                  But apparently Furtherglory can. Apparently it’s her superpower.

                  “But alas, I feel that there are several contributors to your website who will be eagerly telling him to go right ahead!”

                  Do you think it’s something I said?
                  I’m such a pleasant fellow I can’t imagine what it might be.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 13, 2016 @ 12:35 pm

                • http://www.campventure.org/index.php?/campventure/news_detail/camp_venture_memorial_pond_twins_with_auschwitz_memorial_pond/

                  The ponds where the ashes were dumped look pretty murky to me.
                  Perhaps it’s the other ponds around the grounds that are clearer.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 13, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

          • You wrote: “…the hair and personal items were taken from hair of women gassed and then their hair was cut off.”

            Have you ever met a German person? The German people are noted for being very intelligent and very efficient. When a person dies, of any cause, all the fluids escape from their body. So the gas chambers would have been filled with feces and urine. The hair would have been filthy, and it would have had to be cleaned. The German people who were running the camps, and using gas chambers to murder the inmates, would have cut the hair off first, before driving the people into the chambers with whips.

            The Auschwitz main camp has exhibits for tourists to see. There is hair in a glass case; this hair is in pristine condition because it was obviously cut off the heads of the inmates BEFORE they were gassed. The hair was cut off to eliminate any lice that might be hiding in the hair. Lice spreads typhus, which the Nazis were trying to eliminate in order to save lives.

            Comment by furtherglory — March 13, 2016 @ 6:26 am

            • “Have you ever met a German person?”

              Yes, I have. Very pleasant people to be around.

              “The German people are noted for being very intelligent and very efficient.”

              Yet, somehow, these intelligent and efficient people forgot how cold Russia gets in the Wintertime. Why on earth would these “intelligent and efficient” people forget to equip their soldiers properly while starting a military assault in OCTOBER?

              “When a person dies, of any cause, all the fluids escape from their body. So the gas chambers would have been filled with feces and urine. The hair would have been filthy, and it would have had to be cleaned. The German people who were running the camps, and using gas chambers to murder the inmates, would have cut the hair off first, before driving the people into the chambers with whips.”

              Unless, of course, they had other people available to do their dirty work for them.
              Regardless of when the hair was cut off it would still have to be cleaned, which accounts for the condition of the hair in the exhibits.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 13, 2016 @ 10:27 am

    • TALBOT AND ALL COMMENTATORS. The most diabolic and greates criminal had been Adolf Hitler. At any rate, before Hoess rank Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich, Hermann Goering, Martin Bormann, SS Geberal Odilo Globocnik who comanded the Poland Deathtu Machinery. Lower rank Adolf Eichmann, Rudolf Hoess and the other comanders. This is my opinion based on information I have found during my studies of Shoah history..

      Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 12, 2016 @ 1:55 pm


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