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March 17, 2016

New museum will honor Polish people who helped Jews during World War II

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 7:31 am
Jewish men marching to their death in the Holocaust

Jewish men marching to their death in the Holocaust

Today, I read in the news about the Ulma Family Museum in Poland, which has just opened.  http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-museum-honoring-poles-killed-saving-jews-opens/

The following quote is from a news article about the Museum:

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The Ulma Family Museum of Poles Saving Jews, in the village of Markowa, opens at the site in southern Poland where Germans killed an entire family [the Ulma family] for sheltering Jews in 1944. The victims included Jozef Ulma and his wife Wiktoria, who was seven months pregnant, their six small children, and eight [other] Jews in hiding.

It is Poland’s first memorial devoted to the Christians who helped Jews during the war, an act punishable in Poland by the immediate execution of helpers and their entire families.

[…]

In 1995, Yad Vashem posthumously bestowed the title of the Righteous Among the Nations on the Ulmas. Yad Vashem said the Ulma family “has become a symbol of Polish sacrifice and martyrdom during the German occupation.”

In 2003 the Catholic Church opened a beatification process for the Ulmas, which is still underway.

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Beatification is the first step toward sainthood. The Ulma family members could become saints for their acts of helping Jews during World War II, when the Nazis wanted to put the Jews in concentration camps, and allegedly gas them.

There were many other families in Poland that hid the Jews from the Nazis during World War II. Will they all be canonized as saints now?

You can read about the Catholic canonization process at http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-canonization-process-for-sainthood.html

This brings up the question of whether a person can be canonized as a saint for saving a non-Jew.  I don’t think so. The Jews are God’s Chosen People. The rest of mankind is classified as worthless goyim, who are not even human.

74 Comments »

  1. Good grief! New insanity – just when you hoped THIS would die down — sheesh! The Jews WERE God’s chosen people to bring the MESSIAH – they did that, they rejected Him, they are no longer God’s chosen people. http://www.plainbibleteaching.com/2011/02/11/are-the-jews-still-god%E2%80%99s-chosen-people-today/

    Comment by Diane King — March 18, 2016 @ 3:45 pm

    • diane king, jrizoli.. Do you care about what said by Pope Francis and in the Vatican Document of December 15, 2015?

      Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 19, 2016 @ 4:49 am

  2. It is the epitome of racism and xenophobia for a group to use others’ treatment of them as their sole criterion for what constitutes a “righteous” person. Do Jews similarly condemn the “unrighteous” amongst their own tribe for since they committed against Gentiles? Indeed, Jews do not even have a method of excommunication for such people like Ehrenberg, Yagoda, Kaganovich, Reichman? Let alone the Rothschilds, Schiffs, Warburgs and other criminals who have done more to enslave mankind than any other individuals ever… Indeed, these bastards are lauded as great Jews.
    Ah, yes, the poor Jews who just want to be left alone…

    Comment by Col. Klink — March 17, 2016 @ 3:58 pm

    • Some evil despotic Jews have committed the most atrocious criminal acts of all times and hold the record for the number of people they have murdered and yet no one from the Tribe speaks bad about them or chastisees them about their wicked Deeds why is that?
      Sometime back the ADL gave Moe Dalitz(sp) the man of Year award or something to that effect and he was one of the most well known criminals of the Jewish Mafia, lots of blood on his hands.
      No matter how bad the deed that the ajews do whether its the pornography business or running the Jewish Mafia or running Wall Street or any of these other conglomerates that rip off the public they do no wrong and no one questions them because they’re Jews and supposedly have suffered so much ( more lies) that we cannot even criticize them.
      That is why it’s so important for people like us to expose them in their Holohoax scam because they’ve been getting away with these lies for all these years and they have to be taken up for the things they’ve done wrong an answer for them.
      The problem is any criticism of the Jews is turned into anti semitism and the person doing it his life would be ruined for doing it.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — March 17, 2016 @ 4:12 pm

      • Such excesses by the jews must be known and broadcasted in the numerous venues – whether the Soviet Chekas, Commissars, NKVD, KGB, elitists like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc are unconscionable. Tens of millions of deaths, at least 50 million attributed to Soviet actions (predominantly jew dominated). Then there are the current issues of ethnic cleansing of palestinians by the Israelis, destabilization of the Middle East by jew-dominated US foreign policy. A criminal group allowed to run amok murdering everywhere they go. Like critical mass, there will be a time when enough is enough.

        Comment by Diane King — March 18, 2016 @ 4:24 pm

        • diane king. Do you know that Stalin purged party leadership expelling and death sentencing those of Jewish origin?

          Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 19, 2016 @ 4:52 am

    • Col Klink. 1. Ehrenburg and the others you mentioned left the Jewish Comunity by themselves without any for of excomunication. 2. As to the bankers you mention, they provided banking services to popes and governments much better than WASP ones like Morgan and others who turned the WALL STREET Stock Exchange in a gambling house igniting so the 1929 world wide crisis which led to WWII and all desasters. Then why not loock on the IOR – Vatican bank – way to withewash stolen or frauded funds?

      Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 20, 2016 @ 8:43 am

  3. I wonder if there is a museum or memorial in Israel ( or indeed anywhere else in the world ) that commemorates Jews who helped Palestinian families and communities during their 68-year-long nightmare of oppression and expropriation.

    I suggest not!

    Comment by Talbot — March 17, 2016 @ 10:33 am

    • A museum for Jews who helped Palestinians sorry it would be too small not worth the money to do it.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — March 17, 2016 @ 10:57 am

    • TALBOT, jrizoli. Wounded Syrians receive medical-surgical treatment in Israel hospitals. From Gaza many are going to Israel Hospitals; even relatives of Hamas leader.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 18, 2016 @ 1:33 am

      • Wolf wrote: “Wounded Syrians receive medical-surgical treatment in Israel hospitals. From Gaza many are going to Israel Hospitals; even relatives of Hamas leader.”

        A handful of Arabs were cared for in Israeli hospitals. So the Israeli continuous ethnic cleansing in biblical Jewish lands is OK and it can continue as if nothing had happened and was still happening.

        Comment by hermie — March 18, 2016 @ 9:06 am

        • HERMIE, A phone interview with SS General Juergen Troop from the hell: “Israelis have still to learn, I wonder wether they studied how the SS destructed the Warsaw Ghettio in April-Mqy 1943 under my comand. Would they followed my tuition Gaza would not exinst any more!”.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 18, 2016 @ 10:58 am

          • You must mean Juergen Stroop. I wrote about him, and the famous “Stroop report” on these blog posts: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/stroop-report/

            Comment by furtherglory — March 18, 2016 @ 12:07 pm

          • Kudos to Israel for taking more time and hypocrisy to liquidate the Gaza ghetto. Great humanists, those Israelis, after all…😉

            Comment by hermie — March 19, 2016 @ 9:16 am

          • hernie, The Israelis simply do not follow the way SS General Juergen Stroop exterminated the Warsaw Ghetto in April 1943. And so they have still rockets shot from the Gaza strip hurting and terrorizing its citizens. But for you aryans we Jews are lice and verms to be exterminated.
            The first aryan wanting to exterminate the Jewiish people – Haman, Grand Vizir of Achemenid Empire, had been at last hanged. Then, his descendants tought the LAW Jews received at Sinai. A grand nephew of Hitler in Israel converted to Judaism and is non teaching the Talmud. A grand niece of Himmler – researcher of history ar Berlin, married a Jew.

            Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 19, 2016 @ 11:02 am

  4. Why are you so bent on expressing such vileness and nastiness even when reporting on benign news?
    “…the question of whether a person can be canonized as a saint for saving a non-Jew?” This doesn’t even make sense. The Catholic canonization process obviously has nothing to do with whether you helped a Jewish person or not, as detailed in your linked site. Jews don’t have saints, if that’s what you meant, so how could whether someone helped a Jew or not have anything to do with being canonized as a saint??

    You are just so vilely wrong with your allegation that to Jews, “The rest of mankind is classified as worthless goyim, who are not even human.” Who are you mistaking Jews for?? Rabid extremist fundamentalist Muslims, who do appear to think this?? Meanwhile, even the most observant and religious Jews acknowledge that not only are all people of other religions “human,” but that you can still get into “heaven” by being a good person! Virtually NO other standardized religion does this, and certainly not Christianity or Islam. How on earth are you claiming that it’s Jews who are so against people of other religions that they “don’t consider them human??” If this is what you have been taught, you have been severely brainwashed, which somewhat explains your hatred, but not to the extent that it could ever excuse your failure to research on such topics, especially when you obviously have great research abilities.

    It’s just like you to turn a nice story about commending good acts into a nasty attempt to bad-mouth people of a religion you obviously know nothing about. Your determination to hate is so very sad and sickening.

    Comment by Halli — March 17, 2016 @ 9:23 am

    • I am Catholic, and I know about the canonization process. I wrote about this on this previous blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/the-war-of-the-crosses-at-auschwitz/

      Comment by furtherglory — March 17, 2016 @ 9:40 am

      • Exactly – and you therefore know that canonization has nothing to do with specifically requiring that one has helped Jews, so why would you suggest that this is necessary for canonization? And WHY end this report with such a nasty, vile accusation of an entire religion of people?

        Comment by Halli — March 17, 2016 @ 9:59 am

        • You wrote: “why would you suggest that this is necessary for canonization?” It was sarcasm.

          Comment by furtherglory — March 17, 2016 @ 10:11 am

      • FURTHERGLORY. Do You know how many hatred sprayers and men responsable of cruelties had been canonized along centuries? The list includes figures lile Saomt Johm Crisostomos, Saint Ambrosius of Milan, Saint Cyrill of Alexandria, Saint Louis of France, Saint Vincent Ferrer, and many others who put the bases for bloody persecution my people suffered. It had been because of the hatred sprayed by figures mentioned that many normal persons – simple priests, nunns, peasants, workers, civil servants, doctors, etc. – risked, and often lost, their life for helping Jews and are remembered just by Yad Vashem among Righteous Gentiles.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 20, 2016 @ 9:06 am

    • The Jews are a despicable group that have been rejected by God for their idolatrous and evil ways.
      See Acts 7, Vs 51-53. Matt 23:39 also Matt 21:vs 42,43
      They are now branded as the Synagogue of Satan, in the Bible read Revelation 2:9 and 3:9
      They at one time were to represent Gods greatness on earth as a people for his name but failed to live up to the moral standards that HE wrote for them. So God has rejected them and they now are thrown to the four corners of the earth waiting for their ruinous fate to befall them.
      Actually not just them but all false religion, but that is not the topic here….
      The HoloHoax lie was the topping on the cake for them for sinking to new lows. Not only have they fought against God they have lied to the world with their lies.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — March 17, 2016 @ 9:55 am

      • Even if you personally believe these allegations written by the Church centuries after Jesus’ death, and no one can take it upon themselves to try to change your opinion, why would you feel it necessary to “spread” your nasty and vile beliefs about a specific religion, as though all people of a religion would ever think or act exactly the same anyway? (Why would the Jews “lie” about the Holocaust? Hitler made no secret of his “Final Solution.” Many German records show the mass murders of the Holocaust to have happened. The Jews, in all centuries, have just wanted to be left to live in peace.) While obviously no one can change your mind if you are determined to hate, your use of slurs such as “Holohoax” only shows your lack of ability to have a rational conversation and choices instead to call names and hurl accusations. How you felt any of your post was even relevant to the topic I additionally have no idea.

        Comment by Halli — March 17, 2016 @ 10:04 am

        • You wrote that Hitler made no secret of the Final Solution. I wrote about the day that Hitler ordered the Final Solution on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/december-12-1941-the-day-that-hitler-ordered-the-final-solution/

          Comment by furtherglory — March 17, 2016 @ 10:18 am

          • The final solution was emigration….Hitler wanted the Jews out of the Reich. First stop was Madagascar but that didn’t pan out because the British were against it and it was too late into the war to accomplish moving all the Jews there.
            Read the Transfer agreement for what happened.

            http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — March 17, 2016 @ 10:26 am

            • I wrote about the “Transfer Agreement” on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/hitler-and-the-transfer-agreement/

              Comment by furtherglory — March 17, 2016 @ 12:48 pm

            • jrizoli wrote: “The final solution was emigration”

              True, Mr. Rizoli. And that was true for both the Zionist final solution and the Nazi final solution. The term ‘final solution to the Jewish question/problem’ had been used on numerous occasions by various Zionists for 5 decades when some Zionist & Allied propagandists finally decided in 1945 that claiming the words ‘final solution’ in fact meant ‘kill them all’ was more beneficial for the achievement of their goals. Ironically, when the Nazis opted for the words ‘final solution’, they merely opted for an inocuous vocabulary of their time, a commonplace Zionist wording for a territorial solution to the Jewish problem in Europe. In November 1899, Herzl himself wrote a letter to the Czar in which he offered the latter what he called ‘the Zionist plan for the final solution to the Jewish Question’. ‘Final solution’ was a mere Zionist wording meant to oppose the temporary solutions to the Jewish problem, i.e. charity and repeated migrations. The Zionist ‘Final Solution’ intended to break the endless cycle of Jewish settlement, growth of anti-Semitism, removal of the Jews, new settlement somewhere else, growth of anti-Semitism there, etc. by grabbing a land for the resettlement of the Jews of Eastern and Central Europe. No surprise the Nazis appropriated that Zionist wording when they opted for a similar full territorial solution to Europe’s Jewish problem.

              Comment by hermie — March 18, 2016 @ 9:40 am

              • HERMIE, jrizoli. Final Solution had been full extermination of Jewish people in Europe and Middle East while emigration had been only a first step.

                Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 19, 2016 @ 3:04 pm

                • wolf wrote: “HERMIE, jrizoli. Final Solution had been full extermination of Jewish people in Europe and Middle East while emigration had been only a first step.”

                  Comment by hermie — March 20, 2016 @ 9:24 am

                • HERMIE. The colour of that carton should be brown, not jellow, as the Nazis laught at that way while murdering Jews.

                  Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 20, 2016 @ 9:36 am

        • Many German records show the mass murders of the Holocaust to have happened.

          Could you please cite a few of these “records”? Also a question: if the ‘Holocaust’ is so easily proved, why do you think it is against the law in some countries to deny it happened? You’d think that instead of putting people in jail — which seems rather extreme, even despotic — they would just publicize the proof so that everyone would be convinced — perhaps the “records” you mention could be publicized.

          Comment by eah — March 17, 2016 @ 1:50 pm

        • “why would jews “lie” about the Holocaust?

          “The Jews, in all centuries, have just wanted to be left to live in peace”

          The self-deception and disingenuousness is strong with this one…holy shit…

          Comment by Schlageter — March 17, 2016 @ 3:24 pm

          • SCHLAGETER. To this Holy Shit belonged the ove 100.000 German Jews enlisted in Army in WWI; amonng which about 12.000 fallen on batlefield.

            Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 18, 2016 @ 1:39 am

          • SCHLAGETER. Furhtermore, in 1915 when advancing in Poland German Commanders Hindenburg and Luddendorf (!) adressed “AN DIE LIEBEN JIDDEN” to those who you dare to call shit.

            Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 20, 2016 @ 1:53 am

            • Many of the older Jews and Poles who lived during WW I were probably deeply shocked by the German’s behavior in 1939, Wolf.
              The invading German Imperial Armies for the most part treated the Poles and Jews decently.
              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 11:26 am

      • jrizoli. Now Jesus Christ will appear in face of you as the Rabbi Joshua Josefson, Shoah victim – martyr or survivor – and you will insult and kill him again and again, just like Pontius Pilaturs, a modell for Eichmann.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 17, 2016 @ 10:50 am

      • jrizoli. But the Crusaders and the hatred sprayers did live up to the moral standards mentioned? The worst Jewish wrondoer results unable to live up the criminal standards reached by Crusaders, German Knights, Inquisition priests and so until the SS.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 20, 2016 @ 9:14 am

      • jrizoli. The worst Jewish wrondoer results simply unable to live up to the criminal standards of crusaders, german knights, priests and monks acting at holly inqyisition, and so on until the SS and ISIS terrorists. AJew results also unable to reach the level of hatred spraying of Saint John Crisostomos, Saint Vincent Ferrer, Alfred Rosenberg, Henry Ford, Mufti El Hiusseini, etc. Besides, it is very difficult to live up to your standard of lying and hatred spraying you can be proud of.

        Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 20, 2016 @ 9:32 am

      • jrizoli. The worst Jewish wrongdoer is unable to live up to the criminal standard of Crusaders, German Knights, Inquisition monks, and so fort until the SS and the ISIS terrorists, Furthernore it is quite impossible to reach the level hatred preachers like S. Jphn Crisostomos, S. Ambrosius, S. Cyrill of Alexandria, S. Vincent Ferrer, Alfred Rosenberg, etc. and you can be proud to be their distingueshed disciple,

        Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 20, 2016 @ 2:44 pm

  5. URTHERGLORY. According rabbinic doctrine, SAINT IS ONLY G’D AND NO ELSE. The non Jews observing the seven noachitic comandmets are rightieous . The Csttolic Church considered for centuriies Jews as followers of Satan according its saints John Crisostomos, Ambrosius, Augustin. Monks preached hatred inciting to atack the Jewsr.Pope Pius IX called the Jews enemies of Christ and Pope Leo XIII telft apart Chatholic and Followers of Satan. As a result in the Shoah least six milion Jews had been exterminated like lice and verms. To your regret the Nazi runn out of time and there had been survivors. Thik over the matter and recite “mea culpa”.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 17, 2016 @ 9:15 am

    • I think that you are inflating the number of Jews who were killed in the Holocaust. I wrote about the German Jews who were killed, on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/how-many-german-jews-were-killed-in-the-holocaust/

      Comment by furtherglory — March 17, 2016 @ 9:28 am

      • FURTHERGLORY. You do not answer my statement. At any rate the figure of at least six milion victims is estimated comparing number of affiliated to Jewish Comunities before 1938 and after 1945. Only few managed to emigrate overseas to safe heaven and we must add the persons not affiliated but considered as belonging to Jesiwsh race by the Nazi fascists. You as many commetators here do quite little about the real Shoah history in its historical background and so, before stating not correctly seat down and study.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 17, 2016 @ 10:41 am

  6. How about Polish people who killed them….

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — March 17, 2016 @ 9:14 am

  7. Yawn…the only way this place stays open is with generous “donations” from the German government skimmed off its overburdened taxpayers

    Comment by Schlageter — March 17, 2016 @ 9:10 am

    • SCHLAGETER. This is only Nazi propaganda. Beside some of your ancestor had been among those who ruined Germany with foolish slogans and so on. Besides, you never learnt lesso of history.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 17, 2016 @ 10:45 am

      • The only way my ancestors “ruined” Germany was by losing the war

        Comment by Schlageter — March 17, 2016 @ 11:08 am

        • SCHLAGETER. Germany had been ruined twice by following nationalist propaganda leading to start war. Whils with Adenauer started the historical process leading the German Chancellar to become the leading figure in Europe – der Fuehrer von Europa.

          Comment by Wolf Murmelsteine — March 17, 2016 @ 1:36 pm

        • Well, that happens when your “brilliant” Fuehrer decides it’s a fantastic idea to wage war on the three most industrialized nations on earth. At the same time.
          Oops, what a boner.
          What a role model for future Germans.
          Hitler:
          “Follow me and I’ll make sure that our cities are bombed to pieces, our women raped and our country divided.”

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 17, 2016 @ 3:38 pm

  8. “This brings up the question of whether a person can be canonized as a saint for saving a non-Jew. I don’t think so. The Jews are God’s Chosen People. The rest of mankind is classified as worthless goyim, who are not even human.”

    I thought you knew.

    http://auschwitz.dk/Kolbe.htm

    Comment by Jeff K. — March 17, 2016 @ 8:29 am

    • Yes, I know about Father Kolbe. I blogged about him at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/father-kolbe-the-catholic-priest-who-died-in-place-of-another-at-auschwitz/

      I wrote two other posts in which Father Kolbe is mentioned: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/father-kolbe/

      Comment by furtherglory — March 17, 2016 @ 8:37 am

      • I read the story of Father Kolbe on various websites including FG’s. But once again, the lack of concrete evidence that he truly met his death in this appalling way is quite apparent. We have to rely on just two named Polish individuals who were prisoners in Auschwitz. One of them is Franciszek Gajowniczek – who claims that Father Kolbe volunteered to change places with him inside the alleged starvation chamber; and Bruno Borgowiec – who is a mysterious character, which the official narrative can’t really explain what his role was, and how he became an eye-witness to what went on inside the chamber. Being Polish – as well as both being Auschwitz inmates – these two individuals are not going to be unbiased witnesses to what happened.

        In addition, we have the total absence of any names, or inmate numbers, of the nine other prisoners who shared this fate alongside Father Kolbe. That is mighty strange – after all they were martyrs too. So why have their identities not been revealed. And neither has the name of the inmate who went missing been revealed. It was his absence that led to this dreadful punishment being imposed. It is alleged that he was later found drowned in the latrines ( but can we really believe that – would not a thorough search of the camp have revealed his body before such a draconian sentence was carried out on other inmates – Bah! ). One website even claims that three inmates went missing.

        I’m not at all convinced that a camp commandant would have the authority to carry out such a punishment anyway. This would have to be authorised at a much higher level. The way these holocaust proponents describe camp commandants is truly amazing. They think these men had supreme power over the life and death of hundreds of thousands of people. For goodness sake everyone – these guys were simply managers who ensured the efficient day-to-day running of the places that they were responsible for.

        So, I suspect the real sad story of Father Kolbe is more prosaic; he either died a natural death in Auschwitz, or he may have been executed in the normal way after being found guilty of organising resistance inside the camp.

        Comment by Talbot — March 17, 2016 @ 5:40 pm

        • “I read the story of Father Kolbe on various websites including FG’s. But once again, the lack of concrete evidence that he truly met his death in this appalling way is quite apparent. We have to rely on just two named Polish individuals who were prisoners in Auschwitz. One of them is Franciszek Gajowniczek – who claims that Father Kolbe volunteered to change places with him inside the alleged starvation chamber; and Bruno Borgowiec – who is a mysterious character, which the official narrative can’t really explain what his role was, and how he became an eye-witness to what went on inside the chamber. Being Polish – as well as both being Auschwitz inmates – these two individuals are not going to be unbiased witnesses to what happened.”

          I’m not sure what your issue is. This has nothing to do with Jews or the Holocaust.
          Father Kolbe was also anti-Semitic, as were many Catholic priests during that time. His canonization was somewhat controversial because of this, even though before his incarceration he helped some Polish Jews because he felt an obligation due to his faith.
          Are you just determined not to believe that the Germans were incapable of any cruelty, that they spent the war handing out puppies and candy to the local populace?

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 17, 2016 @ 7:04 pm

          • You’re right that this event has nothing to do with the Jews, but it is yet another horrific – and probably quite untrue – story that is thrown into the holocaust “mix”.

            My task is to expose the falsehoods in the WW2 narrative – not just the holocaust itself. There was enough cruelty, inhumanity and violence to be shared by everyone I’m afraid. Britain itself is by no means an innocent party in this terrible conflict. But the world is not going to get anywhere unless we establish the true facts of what happened.

            At the present time, the world appears to be stuck in a time warp – where WW2 propaganda, exaggerated and downright lies, combined with the victor’s grotesque sense of justice, prevails even 70 years after the event was over.

            Comment by Talbot — March 17, 2016 @ 9:41 pm

            • “You’re right that this event has nothing to do with the Jews, but it is yet another horrific – and probably quite untrue – story that is thrown into the holocaust “mix”.”

              What, exactly, is your proof that any of the story is untrue? Other than doubting some of the narrative?

              “My task is to expose the falsehoods in the WW2 narrative – not just the holocaust itself. There was enough cruelty, inhumanity and violence to be shared by everyone I’m afraid.”

              This is true. The Soviet Gulags and the Nazi Concentration Camps were cruel places.
              But, any prison system can be cruel.
              Have you ever read anything about the Nazi Concentration Camps? Or the Soviet Gulags?
              I suggest two books:
              KL, a History of the Nazi Concentration Camps by Niklaus Wachsman
              Gulag, a History by Anne Applebaum

              “Britain itself is by no means an innocent party in this terrible conflict.”

              Nor were the Soviets, French, US, or Italians.

              “But the world is not going to get anywhere unless we establish the true facts of what happened.”

              Why don’t you start by figuring out where all the Jews went if they did not die.

              “At the present time, the world appears to be stuck in a time warp – where WW2 propaganda, exaggerated and downright lies, combined with the victor’s grotesque sense of justice, prevails even 70 years after the event was over.”

              Much of what you say is true.
              However, you seem incapable of believing that the Germans were also cruel. Hitler started this war by invading Poland. He expanded it by invading the USSR and declaring war on the US.
              In Eastern Europe the Germans were exceptionally cruel. Putting aside the Holocaust, the Germans forcibly removed people for labor, destroyed villages and towns, took most of the food and sent it to Germany, went on wild “partisan hunts” that killed more civilians than partisans, etc.

              It seems to me that you are no longer willing to accept any evidence of German cruelty.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 18, 2016 @ 6:57 am

              • What, exactly, is your proof that any of the story is untrue?

                Unbelievable — how do you suggest he ‘prove’ the story isn’t true? — Irene Zisblatt says she shit out and swallowed diamonds month after month while in Auschwitz — I don’t believe her story — how should I ‘prove’ her story isn’t true?

                I don’t know if the story is true or not — I don’t care — I’m sure there were some Polish people who helped Jews — this museum can be seen as honoring them — the point here is the stupidity of your comment — which reinforces again how stupid you are — and here’s the weirdest thing about that: you seem to take yourself seriously — like I said before: your foto belongs alongside the word oblivious in the dictionary — because you are fully oblivious to how stupid you are.

                Suggestion: go back to asking for proof of what happened to nameless Jews — while idiotic enough, it’s less idiotic.

                Comment by eah — March 18, 2016 @ 7:54 am

                • What, exactly, is your proof that any of the story is untrue?

                  “Unbelievable — how do you suggest he ‘prove’ the story isn’t true? —”

                  What’s got you so huffy today, Nancy? Did your favorite Taylor Swift CD get scratched? Did your DVR fail to tape Grey’s Anatomy?

                  “Irene Zisblatt says she shit out and swallowed diamonds month after month while in Auschwitz — I don’t believe her story — how should I ‘prove’ her story isn’t true?”

                  Well, you could consult a medical professional to see if that was possible and what effect this had on the human body. You can ask someone on WebMD.
                  Holy shit, do I have to do all the heavy lifting for you?

                  “I don’t know if the story is true or not — I don’t care — I’m sure there were some Polish people who helped Jews — this museum can be seen as honoring them”

                  Which they are doing and good for them.

                  “— the point here is the stupidity of your comment —”

                  Oh, you had a point and not just screeching like a 13 year girl stood up at the prom.

                  “which reinforces again how stupid you are — and here’s the weirdest thing about that: you seem to take yourself seriously — like I said before: your foto belongs alongside the word oblivious in the dictionary — because you are fully oblivious to how stupid you are.”

                  Maybe so but at least I’m not an overly pretentious douchebag who whines and screeches like a little bitch. I mean that with all sincerity.

                  “Suggestion: go back to asking for proof of what happened to nameless Jews — while idiotic enough, it’s less idiotic.”

                  Well, I would but none of the deniers I’ve asked so far has a clue. Apparently, according to all the deniers that I’ve asked, all these Jews went to the Reinhard Camps and never left. This is odd because this camps are rather small.
                  Same thing with all of the Hungarian Jews. Apparently they went to Birkenau and stayed, minus those sent to other camps.

                  Doesn’t make much sense, but hey, neither does Holocaust denial.

                  Your friend,
                  Jeff.

                  P.S.
                  You’ve never gotten back to me about becoming Facebook friends. I’m starting to think you don’t want to.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 18, 2016 @ 11:25 am

                • I have written several blog posts under the tag “Irene Zisblatt” which you can read at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/irene-zisblatt/

                  You have to admire Irene for sticking to her story, no matter how many people make fun of her.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 18, 2016 @ 11:39 am

                • The Rabbi down at my local synagogue was a young boy, aged 15, in Auschwitz, and he told his congregation that his job was to clean out the latrines after everyone had departed for work each morning. And one day while he was busy, he heard a faint cry of “help; help” coming from somewhere within. But after looking around the latrine block he suddenly realised that this anguished cry was emanating from the cesspit beneath the bench of seats. So he peered through one of the holes, and there was Irene Zisblatt down below – completely up to her neck in the effluent.

                  “What are you doing down there Irene” he asked in a very puzzled voice.

                  “I’m trying to retrieve my fifth diamond which accidently dropped into the cesspit” explained the distressed Irene.

                  “Oh – that’s a terrible thing to happen. But I thought you had been sent to the gas chamber yesterday”

                  “I was” – exclaimed the distraught young Irene – “but while everyone else was moving forward into the chamber, I was somehow going backwards, and got stuck in the door. And so the SS guard pulled me out”.

                  “Well that’s a relief – let’s pull you out, and then we can get you hosed down. Hang on tight to your diamond and I’ll lift you up through the hole”

                  While he was doing this, he was curious to find out what happened to diamonds numbers 1, 2, 3 & 4. To which a very soiled and disconsolate Irene answered “I gave them to a very nice Jewish gentleman at the railway station who told me that he would look after them for me by depositing the diamonds in his Swiss Bank. He had such a lovely smile on his face, and was happily waving at me as the train departed for Switzerland.”

                  Just at that moment the door of the darkened latrine block burst open, and there – standing in the dazzling sunlight – stood a hideous figure dressed all in black. It was none other than Ilsa Koch – “The Bitch of Buchenwald” herself!

                  The Bitch pointed at Irene with a gnarled claw and hissed menacingly – “Go careful with that one, I need her skin for one of my lampshades”. And with that, she started cackling merrily, and began chanting “I’m going to skin her skin! – I’m going to skin her skin!”

                  Without more ado, the Bitch climbed astride her broomstick and flew off into the air and skimmed over the barbed-wire fence. She circled round the Birkenau camp three times, vomiting out fire and brimstone on the unfortunate victims down below who raised their fists at her in their impotent rage, but she just leaned back on her broomstick and howled with laughter before heading off westwards, back to Buchenwald where her cauldrons of human fat were bubbling away satisfactorily in the production of Pure Jewish Soap.

                  The young boy whispered to Irene – “She sounds mean! – I think we better get you to safety by putting you on board that outgoing train which is bound for a labour camp inside Germany. I’ll tell you what – I’ll throw you over the barbed wire fence, and you’ll land safely in one of the open trucks”.

                  “But you won’t be able to manage that alone – the fence is far too high”, said an incredulous Irene – ” You will need help from others”.

                  “OK, OK, said the boy, don’t worry – I’ll arrange for a sondercommando team to bend backwards a couple of birch saplings in the woods at the back of the camp and tie a cradle between them. You can sit on this with a poop bowl on your head as a crash helmet. We’ll then release the saplings at the very same moment, and the power of the spring will propel you right over the barbed-wire fence and into the train.”

                  So that’s what happened. But unfortunately the sondercommandos didn’t get the range right, and she overshot the open trucks and landed instead on the roof of the train standing alongside it on the adjacent railway track. And this just happened to be Himmler’s personal train – because the Reichsfuehrer was in Auschwitz that day on important business. When Irene landed upon the roof, it made such a din, that Himmler and his staff thought they had come under attack from the air, and they promptly dived under the conference table and chairs. While his staff soon recovered and stood up slowly, dusting themselves down, it was nearly two minutes before a very pale head gingerly appeared above the rim of the table – the eyes behind the rim-less glasses nervously darting from side to side.

                  But when Himmler had finally regained his composure, the guards brought in the hapless Irene, in order for her to be presented before him. The Reichsfuehrer was very stern – “If you ever do anything like that again, young lady, then I’ll have your skull turned into a shrunken head. But, because we need every pair of hands as war workers, I’ve decided to send you to the labour camp instead. But remember this Frauline Zisblatt – WE DON’T WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU EVER AGAIN !

                  Comment by Talbot — March 20, 2016 @ 11:52 am

              • “However, you seem incapable of believing that the Germans were also cruel.”

                On the contrary – German people, just like all individuals, groups and nations are quite capable of carrying out cruel and barbaric actions if circumstances dictate. Unfortunately, this is one of the negative traits of us all as human beings.

                “Hitler started this war by invading Poland.”

                You see, that’s what I mean by being stuck in a time warp, with people repeating this tired old phrase time and time again. Put yourself in the role of a school teacher who sees two youngsters fighting in the playground and asks them what is going on. One youngster says furiously “Well he started it”, and the other replies “Yes, but he kept provoking me, and then tried to block me from passing through the school gate.” The teacher is not going to be interested in whose right and wrong, and who started it, but to try and resolve the situation in order to ensure that such an ugly encounter doesn’t happen again.

                “He expanded it by invading the USSR and declaring war on the US.”

                Your first claim is quite correct – and Hitler’s senseless decision to pursue the war in the east, after it became perfectly clear that the struggle was unwinnable has a lot to do with the terrible events that then unfolded. The second claim is much more debatable. Those two arch-war criminals – Churchill and Roosevelt – had been conniving together to get the United States into the war against Germany since at least the summer of 1941, and in fact, America had declared unofficial war against Germany by supplying huge amounts of arms and ammunition to Britain and carrying out hostile actions against the German U-Boats.

                “In Eastern Europe the Germans were exceptionally cruel.”

                That is rather a blanket statement to make – although I agree with you that there were many instances of such cruel behaviour.

                “Putting aside the Holocaust, the Germans forcibly removed people for labor,”

                Yes – but large numbers of people were actually forcibly removed for war work even in Britain.

                “destroyed villages and towns, to take most of the food and sent it to Germany,”

                Villages were certainly destroyed in anti-partisan raids, but I don’t know how many towns suffered this fate ( apart from destruction caused by battlefield damage.) And the Germans obviously took all the food they needed and thus tragically left local inhabitants in a perilous situation.

                “went on wild “partisan hunts” that killed more civilians than partisans, etc.”

                Yes, alas, that was another one of the unpleasant realities of the conflict. But how do you prevent partisans from carrying out attacks, ambushes and sabotage in times of war?

                Comment by Talbot — March 18, 2016 @ 8:29 am

                • “Hitler started this war by invading Poland.”

                  “You see, that’s what I mean by being stuck in a time warp, with people repeating this tired old phrase time and time again.”

                  What other way should I say it?

                  Did Polish stubbornness contribute to the outbreak of war?
                  Certainly. Once Poland received guarantees from Britain that Britain guaranteed her borders the urgency to negotiate on the part of the Poles faded away. I also think, looking at past events and seeing how the West reacted previously, that Hitler believed that Britain and France would never go to war over Poland. But Hitler neglected to see how his violation of the Munich Agreement damaged Chamberlain politically. Chamberlain had to follow through or risk the fall of his government.
                  The French risked this also.
                  So by invading Poland Hitler forced the British and French to abide by their treaties.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 18, 2016 @ 11:47 am

                • One of my first blog posts was about the start of World War II:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/alfred-naujocks-and-the-start-of-world-war-ii/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 18, 2016 @ 12:26 pm

          • You wrote: “Father Kolbe was also anti-Semitic, as were many Catholic priests during that time. His canonization was somewhat controversial because of this, even though before his incarceration he helped some Polish Jews because he felt an obligation due to his faith.”

            In 1998, I went on a tour of the Auschwitz 1 camp, along with a private tour guide, who was Polish. The guide told me the story of Father Kolbe. I had grave doubts about the story. I took photos of the prison cells that I put on my website at
            http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz06B.html

            Comment by furtherglory — March 18, 2016 @ 7:08 am

            • FG writes:- “According to my tour guide, on Sept. 3, 1941, the Nazis conducted the first mass killing of people using Zyklon-B in prison cell number 27 in Block 11. Adolf Eichmann was visiting the Auschwitz camp on that day, although Commandant Rudolf Höss was away on business…. Karl Fritzsch, the camp commander and the deputy of Rudolf Höss, took it upon himself to carry out this first gassing, while his superior officer, Rudolf Höss, was away.”

              “The tour guide told me that the room was sealed by packing dirt into the concrete well around the window outside; then the prisoners were shoved inside, Zyklon-B crystals were thrown in through the door, and the door was quickly shut.”

              Oh dear! – they do say that Polish vodka is even more potent than the Russian variety – and I think your tour guide had been imbibing rather too heavily on this local rocket fuel.

              Can you imagine the conversation between Fritzch and Eichmann on that glorious late-summer day, as the Nazis first began tentative steps towards their mammoth “gas extermination campaign” :-

              Karl Fritsch excitedly tells Adolf Eichmann – “Now listen Ady, I’ve had a brainwave; why don’t we lock up a lot of inmates in this cell, seal the window up with a truck-load of earth, and throw in some of this Zyklon B stuff which we use for fumigation purposes. We can then see what happens. Maybe it will kill them all in a reasonable amount of time, and then we can go on to build an entire extermination process.”

              But Adolf Eichmann – although full of enthusiasm for such an agreeable outcome – is very reluctant to give the go-ahead – “Are you sure this is all going to work OK, Karl. Shouldn’t we carry out some experiments with some rats and mice first? Would it not be a good idea to call in some chemical engineers, gas technicians, and human anatomists to monitor the process to see if its all feasible. And what about some safety experts – I notice that you haven’t prepared any safety procedures at all, and that the cell door cannot be sealed, so is it possible that some of the gas will leak out and affect us too. If you don’t mind, Karl old chap – you carry on as you think fit, while I retire to the safety of the commandant’s office. Then, after the experiment is over, you can report back the results to me over there.”

              No, no, Ady – don’t worry, everything will go swimmingly; its all been worked out in my mind while I was lying in bed last night.”

              But the highly nervous Eichmann tries a different tack to dissuade his erstwhile companion from carrying out his untried, and very dangerous, experiment – “But what will Rudolf Hoess say when he gets back to Auschwitz; he’s the commandant here, and you are only his deputy. Won’t he be furious that you’ve been carrying out these unorthodox experiments without his permission?”

              “Don’t worry about Rudy, exclaimed the dynamic deputy – he’s always looking for good ideas to kill all the inmates – so he’ll be in full agreement.”

              At this point, Eichmann felt obliged to fall in line with this hare-brained scheme, because he could find no further arguments to prevent the experiment from going ahead.

              And the rest, as they say, is history – ( although its false! )

              Comment by Talbot — March 18, 2016 @ 10:59 am

              • The most important reason, that I think this didn’t happen, is that they put dirt down into the window well. A German person would not do something like that because it would have been very hard to clean the dirt out. A German person would have selected a room that had no windows and a room with a door that could be completely sealed.

                Comment by furtherglory — March 18, 2016 @ 11:30 am

                • FG writes;- “Naujocks never took the witness stand at Nuremberg, so he was never cross examined by the defense. There were only 33 witnesses for the prosecution at the IMT; most of the testimony was by affidavit only, giving the defense no chance to cross examine…”

                  Good heavens above! – so there were just 33 witnesses produced at the court to give testimony against 22 defendants who are accused of carrying out massive crimes that could result in the death penalty. All other testimony was submitted as affidavits which could not be challenged by the defense.

                  Does this fact alone not show the utter bankruptcy of the IMT process. What a shambles – each defendant doesn’t even get two witnesses to stand up in court and be prepared to under-go cross-examination ( and anyone suspicious of masonic involvement might care to look at the numbers 22 and 33. )

                  Up-until now, I’ve always regarded the official account of the Gleiwitz incident as true, but FG suggests that even this event was an Allied propaganda invention that was induced from a captured renegade German named Naujocks.

                  Comment by Talbot — March 18, 2016 @ 1:01 pm

                • Was there some kind of masonic numerology going on at the IMT at Nuremburg ?

                  There were 33 people who attended the trial as prosecution witnesses;
                  There were planned to be 22 defendants in the dock ( although Robert Ley committed suicide just before the trial );
                  There were 11 Nazi leaders who were finally condemned to death.

                  Surely this can’t be just a coincidence – from what I understand about freemasonary these three numbers are almost sacred. Were they performing a hidden ritual as revenge against the Nazi persecution of their secret order ?

                  Comment by Talbot — March 18, 2016 @ 7:24 pm

                • a shambles

                  The IMT was well enough organized, ie not “a shambles” — it was simply never meant to be a fair trial in the tradition of western jurisprudence — this was due to 1) a desire to punish the Nazi leadership for waging (and losing the) war; 2) widespread belief in the atrocity/extermination propaganda, for which there was thought to be enough prima facie evidence, eg the scenes at B-B (and the “eyewitnesses”); 3) wanting to start ‘de-nazification’ with a bang in order to send a clear message to the German people.

                  Comment by eah — March 18, 2016 @ 8:15 pm


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