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March 21, 2016

Holocaust survivor says that her brother was gassed on the 8th of March in 1944

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , , , , — furtherglory @ 9:24 am

As every student of the Holocaust knows, the Nazis did not keep records of the prisoners that were gassed at Auschwitz-Birkenau, nor at any other death camp.

My photo of the ruins of gas chamber at Auschwitz-Birkenau

My photo of the ruins of gas chamber number 3 at Auschwitz-Birkenau

A news article, which you can read in full here, reports that Holocaust survivor Liselotte Ivry said that

“her brother, Hans, was taken to the [Auschwitz-Birkenau] gas chamber on March 8 [1944] .”

Jews arriving at Auschwitz Birkenau

Jews arriving on a train at Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1944

The gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau were very close to the train tracks where the Jews arrived in 1944.

The following quote is from the news article, cited above:

Begin quote

Her mother, weakened and ill, perished in Auschwitz on Jan. 4, 1944; her brother, Hans, was taken to the gas chamber on March 8 [1944]. When she [Lisolette] saw him the day before [he was gassed] and offered him her mittens, he replied: “Where I am going, you don’t need mittens,” Ivry recalled in testimony about her Holocaust experience for the University of Southern California Shoah Foundation.

End quote

What did Lisolette’s brother mean when he said “Where I am going, you don’t need mittens.”  Did he mean that he was going to Hell because he was lying? I was told, years ago, by a Jewish friend, that Jews don’t believe in Heaven and Hell.

The following quote is from the news article, cited above:

Begin quote

Ivry was born Liselotte Epstein in 1925 in Listany, a small village in what is now the Czech Republic. Her father died when she was 3½, and she and her younger brother were raised by their mother, who ran a general store. She remembers an idyllic childhood of picking berries, playing soccer, sleigh riding in winter and swimming in summer with the geese and ducks in the pond in front of the house.

But that idyll would end all to soon. On Oct. 1, 1938, Adolf Hitler and the armies of Nazi Germany crossed into the Sudetenland, in western Czechoslovakia. By month’s end, the family was living with relatives in Prague. The following March, the Germans walked into Prague “and we were not allowed to go to school after that,” Ivry recalled. In time, Jews were not permitted in parks or movie houses or even on the sidewalk; they could shop only at certain hours. “Every day there was something new.”

The roundups of Jews began; in September 1942, Ivry’s family was sent to the concentration camp of Terezin [Theresienstadt], north of Prague; from there, to the Auschwitz-Birkenau extermination camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.

End quote

According to Wolf Murmelstein, who often comments on my blog, there was a gas chamber at Terezin, the camp formerly known as Theresienstadt. So why was Hans Ivry sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1944 to be gassed?

As every student of the Holohoax knows, the Nazis never did anything the right way.  If Hans had been gassed at Theresienstadt, there would have been no record of it, and his sister would never have known what happened to him.

 

157 Comments »

  1. FURTHERGLORY AND ALL COMMENTATORS HERE: In Ancient Times Jews had been hated for their Faith in G’D not having idols to worship. Tyrannies wanted people to worship the idols and the tyrann itself. From Middel Age on Jews had been blamed for the so called Deicide and so for all evil facts on earth. Jews had been banned from agriculture and many trades and called to act as moneylenders providing handcraft, merchamts and towns with loans but called usurors in sermons of monks and other hatred sprayers. But let us see an historical example of our times: As long as Popes relied on the Jew Rothshild their funds had been safe. As soon as theu entrusted Chatolic bankers – Sindona, etc. – they suffered heavy financal losses. Or in USA, as long the LEHMAN BANK had been run by the siccessor of their Jewish founders it provinded banking sevice to the export of USA products. When taken over by WASP rule this bank collapsed for decades long hasards provoking he present wprld wide financial crisis. Thw WASP establisment then fuels then anti semite propaganda and so just to avoid any selfcritic.

    Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 24, 2016 @ 2:27 am

    • FG said Jews don’t believe in God. I’m just bringing that up,because you said something that contradicts that. I’m just trying to figure out what’s what with that .

      Comment by Tim — March 24, 2016 @ 10:11 am

      • TIM. Dear Friend. Your pardon but I do not understand what You mean;my English is not the best. Bt the way, WISHES FOR EASTER.

        Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 24, 2016 @ 1:32 pm

        • There is a very popular TV show in America, called “The Big Bang Theory.” One of the characters on the show, who is Jewish, said “Jews don’t believe in Heaven or Hell.”

          Comment by furtherglory — March 24, 2016 @ 1:53 pm

          • FURTHERGLORY. Certainly not in the form Dante presented hell and paradise. It is strongly forbidden any makbelive about the scene after death. Clearly when I refer to hell and master devils I want only to make clear my ideas. HOLIDAY WISHES.

            Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 25, 2016 @ 1:53 am

            • I understand that. The Divine Comedy is pretty much a work of fiction. It’s just like Paradise Lost,fiction. I had a man I served with in Nam. He was Jewish . We were on patrol early one morning. We got into a gunfight with some VC. After is was finished,he made a comment to me. He said,”I’m going to hell. I’ve broken almost every commandment in the book”. Now I’m Christian . I know I’ve broke every commandment,but I still got a shot at redemption through Christ. So is that true. If a Jew breaks the commandments in the bible they go to hell without a chance for redemption? I figure Jews have to have a chance for redemption in one form or another.

              Comment by Tim — March 25, 2016 @ 7:53 am

              • TIM. Dear Friend! Ar Kippur – Day od Aaroniahment – we pray G’D for pardon. But, one has to repair wrongs done to another himan being and shake hands in sign of peace with every person had had quarell during the year gone,

                Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 25, 2016 @ 10:01 am

                • Okay. What about if a person you’ve wronged,is no longer alive. How do you ask for forgiveness there. All I understand is Christianity. I’m trying to understand how forgiveness works,when it comes to your religion. Who knows . We all may die and find out there is no afterlife. I just try to keep an open mind.

                  Comment by Tim — March 25, 2016 @ 10:07 am

                • Along the lines of Jewish beliefs,I got a question. I saw a movie. It dealt with an wooden box that had Hebrew writing inscribed on it. The box contained the spirit of “Dybbuk”. Is there any truth to this malicious spirt. It’s said to be credited to Jewish mythology. Is there any truth to this? I’m guessing the demons in Jewish belief are not the same as the demons in Christianity beliefs.

                  Comment by Tim — March 25, 2016 @ 10:18 am

                • TIM. Dear Friend! I am a comon, quite ignorant,Jew and not a rabbi and so unable to answer Your questions. Unfortunately I cannot ask my late Father any more. Again Best Easter Wishes.

                  Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 26, 2016 @ 3:09 am

          • Thank you

            Comment by Tim — March 25, 2016 @ 7:27 am

    • One little comment (that was supposed to be off the record) and it turns into a shit storm. This event kinda reminds me of Patton slapping that kid in the face. That got way outta hand with the press too, I ain’t never cared much for the UN (or NATO for that matter). I like where the article made mention about ,”truth in journalism “. Every since party leader Obama has been in office,there’s been no truth in journalism. It’s nice to know that truthful reporting ( or lack of) was going on years before Barry was elected .

      Comment by Tim — March 26, 2016 @ 11:15 pm

      • You wrote: “… Patton slapping that kid in the face.”

        “That kid” was Private Charles H. Kuhl, who was Jewish. Patton’s crime was not that he slapped a soldier, his crime was that he slapped a Jew, one of God’s Chosen People.

        Comment by furtherglory — March 27, 2016 @ 7:33 am

        • You neglected to mention Paul Bennett, the other soldier that Patton slapped. Bennett was not Jewish.
          You also neglected to mention that doctors discovered that Kuhl contracted malaria and was genuinely ill when Patton slapped him.
          So, Patton slapped a man that was genuinely sick.

          You also neglected to mention that when Kuhl’s parents found out about the incident Kuhl wanted them to forget it.

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 27, 2016 @ 8:11 am

          • You wrote several times: “You neglected to mention…”

            I was not writing a book, nor even a blog post. I’m sorry that I did not put enough detail in my comment.

            Comment by furtherglory — March 27, 2016 @ 8:26 am

            • If you think about,there’s was a lot of other stuff going on,but Ike was more concerned about that. Ike was more politician than soldier

              Comment by Tim — March 27, 2016 @ 8:51 am

              • Eisenhower was believed, by some people, to be Jewish.

                The following quote is from this article on the internet: http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/eisenhower.htm#SWEDISH%20JEW

                Begin quote
                Apparently there was a question of Eisenhower’s
                racial lineage and this was brought to Eisenhower’s
                attention by the headmaster. When asked if he was part
                Oriental, Eisenhower replied in the negative. After
                some discussion, Eisenhower admitted having some Jewish
                background. The headmaster then reportedly said,
                “That’s where you get your Oriental blood?”. Although
                he was allowed to remain at the academy, word got
                around since this was a time in history when non-Whites
                were not allowed into the academy.

                Later, in Eisenhower’s West Point Military Academy
                graduating class yearbook, published in 1915,
                Eisenhower is identified as a “terrible Swedish Jew.”

                Wherever Eisenhower went during his military
                career, Eisenhower’s Jewish background and secondary
                manifesting behavior was a concern to his fellow
                officers.
                End quote

                I wrote about Eisenhower on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/eisenhowers-death-camps-a-stain-on-american-history/

                and also on this blog post:
                https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/eisenhowers-death-camps/

                Comment by furtherglory — March 27, 2016 @ 9:20 am

                • Now it sounds like it was more that he slapped a “Jew” and not a “soldier”. All this to make sense now with the army ( I say the army as a whole,because I’m not sure of the exact individuals that made the German folks visit the camp ) making (forcing) people to visit camps. How much influence did Ike have with the Nuremberg trials. I ask because now that I know this about Ike,it seems like he could’ve tipped the “scales of justice”. I always thought it was overkill with Ike and dday

                  Comment by Tim — March 27, 2016 @ 9:29 am

                • Tim, the other soldier Patton slapped was not Jewish.
                  The Jewish soldier also urged his parents to forget the incident. He also defended Patton, saying at the time of the incident Patton was extremely stressed and under pressure.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 27, 2016 @ 10:33 am

                • Yeah I remember reading that in later years, they were both suffering from combat fatigue. Given the shape he was in,I can’t say he gave any thought to where his “break” would occur. If it did in fact happen in post op,I gotta side with Patton to a certain extent. Those guys in post op,were f–ked up. I’m sure some would’ve gladly settled on their mind snapping. The general could’ve just drug his ass outside. I can understand where the troop was coming from. I’ve had a few times I thought I was gonna snap. He snapped because of all the fighting. My shit come on due to “the lack” of fighting. We got jumped on patrol one time. This shit was bad. I made it out okay,but it was a few patrols before we got into anything else. Needless to say,I was sweating twice as bad and paranoid as hell. So I can see why he had his break.

                  Comment by Tim — March 27, 2016 @ 12:42 pm

                • I’m guessing the accused at Nuremberg had court appointed attorneys. Where they were they native German attorneys or military. I know these were war crime trials. Were these trials different from court martial or civilian trials or did they just come up with a new rule book

                  Comment by Tim — March 27, 2016 @ 9:38 am

                • I don’t remember if the defendant’s attorneys were court appointed but they were German.

                  One of them would later defend Eichman at his trial.
                  The Isrealis hired him after Eichman’s wife stated she could not afford an attorney.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 27, 2016 @ 10:36 am

                • I just got to studying on it. I’m still not gonna a kraut attorney was their best bet,because they may have been intimidate by the military figures running the show,but it would’ve been better than someone from the JAG Corps

                  Comment by Tim — March 27, 2016 @ 12:30 pm

        • Actually he slapped 2 soldiers. I don’t know the specifics of the 2nd incident, but it explains why we never hear about the 2nd incident . I fail to see what the big deal was. I had an asst. D I knock me down when I was in boot

          Comment by Tim — March 27, 2016 @ 8:45 am

  2. Why holocausts happen:

    http://newobserveronline.com/top-jew-slams-euro-patriots/

    Comment by Schlageter — March 22, 2016 @ 7:43 pm

    • Comment by eah — March 22, 2016 @ 10:01 pm

    • SCHLAGETER. While You want to fuck the Pope I would like to fuck Mr. Laufer who chaters to much while doing nothing at all. FROEHLICHE OSTERN TAGE.

      Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 23, 2016 @ 9:37 am

      • Who is Mr. Laufer? I need a first name so that I can google him.

        Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2016 @ 9:47 am

        • From the link: Ronald S. Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress (WJC)

          Comment by eah — March 23, 2016 @ 11:30 am

      • Woo olf wrote: “While You want to fuck the Pope I would like to fuck Mr. Laufer ”

        Is this the Pink Triangle ward of Furtherglory’s blog?😉

        Comment by hermie — March 24, 2016 @ 7:54 pm

        • Well, that is one of the stranger things I’ve seen on this blog.

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 24, 2016 @ 8:00 pm

          • Jeff wrote: “Well, that is one of the stranger things I’ve seen on this blog.”

            What? That men who want to fuck other men are gays?

            And isn’t ‘one of the strangest things’ the correct wording?

            Comment by hermie — March 25, 2016 @ 9:13 am

            • Or you could put it like Lennon did. “Strange days indeed,most peculiar moma”.

              Comment by Tim — March 25, 2016 @ 9:28 am

  3. The horrible thing is how an aged Shoah survivor is induced to deliver speeches not considering that those who passed traumatic event through are likely to make confusion between really occured fact and their own desires about what should have occured instead. Many inconsistent statements result from the help of an advisor the event-manager called to assist that aged person. And so the Shoah Business second division – negationosm – has its business. But no one thinks to enhace the studies of history in the educationals systems in USA, A great shame.

    Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 22, 2016 @ 9:58 am

    • To be honest, Wolf, I agree that at this point after all of these years it is no wonder that there are so many discrepancies between what the survivors experienced and what they now say.
      Anyone who passed through trauma, at such an early age, will forget many small details.
      I think the whole lecture circuit is a waste. Better to have qualified historians interview them and record what they say.
      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 1:36 pm

  4. Couldn’t have been gassed that date, because THEY WEREN’T DOING THAT! Sheesh!

    Comment by Diane King — March 21, 2016 @ 8:45 pm

  5. The Liberation of the Nazi “death camps” was certainly not met by universal rejoicing in the late-1940’s. There was one particular gentleman who publicly expressed his dismay at all the people who had been released from their captivity, and were now heading in his direction. This bumptious, voluble, diminutive individual was none other than David Ben Gurion, who became the first prime minister of Israel in 1948.

    Quoting from ‘Der Spiegel’ (19/1995, page 40);-

    “Ben Gurion and the Founding Fathers of Israel were deeply disappointed by the holocaust survivors. How should one create the new Zionist state ‘with such kind of morally inferior human resources’.”

    Oh my! – poor Benny-boy and his zealous henchmen must have been in quite a dilemma – realising that the “survivors” were not morally up to scratch for their proud – if extremely dubious – nation-building enterprise.

    But it is not very often that I find myself singing joyfully from the same song-sheet as an Israeli prime minister, but after reading many of the fraudulent, and downright absurd “survivor” tales over the years, then I reluctantly find myself in total agreement with his rather sad – if painfully honest – assessment !

    Comment by Talbot — March 21, 2016 @ 11:33 am

    • So the Jews were turning on each other?

      Comment by Tim — March 21, 2016 @ 1:52 pm

      • There were tensions between the incoming survivors and the native Isrealis, Tim.
        The Isrealis thought that the European Jews didn’t resist, which is ridiculous.
        The European Jews resisted with the Warsaw Uprising, the prisoner revolts at Sobibor and Treblinka, Jewish partisan bands, etc.

        There were even individual acts, I can’t remember which Death Camp but one of the incoming prisoners hid a knife and stabbed an SS man to death on the ramp. He died real quickly and the other prisoners suffered but I still think it took courage to do that.

        It’s hard to blame the European Jews for not resisting harder than they did but they were basically unarmed and were held in check to some degree by the fact there were large numbers of elderly, women and children involved.

        Jeff

        Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 10:06 am

        • Well with the kids,old folks and females ( however I’m not gonna totally discount the female Jews . I’ve seen some women fight before and they can get pretty nasty) I can see how they’d have to be careful what they started. Didn’t they pat the prisoners down before transport ? It didn’t occur to anyone,that any of the prisoners could be holding? I find it hard to believe they would be so convinced of their own superiority that they would think no one would pull a shiv and shank a prison guard

          Comment by Tim — March 22, 2016 @ 10:38 am

          • “Didn’t they pat the prisoners down before transport ? It didn’t occur to anyone,that any of the prisoners could be holding? I find it hard to believe they would be so convinced of their own superiority that they would think no one would pull a shiv and shank a prison guard”

            The transports were typically chaotic so no, I don’t think they checked the prisoners.
            I also think the SS thought so little of their prisoners they didn’t think this could happen. After it did occur the SS became more vigilant.

            Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 10:50 am

    • TALBOT. After war end many who stood safe – Jews and Non Jews – wondered why there had not been any resistance. I myself received even some years ago such a question and last year answerde angrily to the author of an articles blaming lack of self defence. With the Eichmann trial, as Beg Gurion desired, Israelis at last started to know much more about real conditions in those times of darkness. The many short coming of Attorney General Hausner – who never explainde reason of not calling a whitness like Benjamin Murmelstein to give evidence, had not been helpfull in that effort.
      As tp your laughing hee remarked, you simply missed a good opportunity to keep silence and think the matter over. Der Spiegel iis interesting but in no way the Holy Bible.

      Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 22, 2016 @ 9:39 am

      • Did they ever wonder why none of the allies tried to save them? I ask because I heard people like Churchill knew about the prisons,years before that secret came out at the end of WW2.

        Comment by Tim — March 22, 2016 @ 10:26 am

      • Dr. Murmelstein – I fully understand your anger in replying to those who blame the Jews for not resisting during WW2; and I agree with you that there was very little that they – or the non-Jews – could do to resist the dictates of the Nazis. They simply did not have the freedom, the resources, the weapons, or the territorial integrity in which to fight back. But I would suggest that neither did the Jewish leadership have the willingness to resist, because they knew in their hearts and minds that the era of a large-scale Jewish presence in Europe was coming to an end anyway. I believe that they had reconciled themselves to the German domination of Europe ( and one can’t blame them – because during those early years of WW2, Hitler did seem to be carrying everything before him. The National Socialist ideas seemed to be the future for Europe – and these were looked on by many people as dynamic and “modern” )

        You, yourself, might find that an uncomfortable fact to face up to, but harsh realities sometimes have to be faced squarely. The Germans – rightly or wrongly – wanted to remove the Jewish population from what they regarded as their “living space”, and ideally wished for a “Jew-free Europe”. Whether or not the latter was a realistic objective is debatable, because defining “Jewishness” and how one can categorise the offspring and descendants of mixed marriages is something that defeated even the Nazi theorists themselves!

        But at this point, we fundamentally disagree with each other. You claim that the Nazis wanted to exterminate the entire Jewish population of Europe – and actually carried out a program of genocide. I disagree. The “Final Solution” was not mass killing at all – but the deportation of the Jews to the Eastern territories, which Hitler and his henchmen thought would become available for settlement after the German victory against the Soviet Union. But of course, this didn’t happen – the Germans found themselves bogged-down in a quagmire as the war continued to rage on. From the beginning of 1942, the Germans desperately needed labour for their war industries and turned to the populations of the vanquished countries – including the Jews – as a source for a readily available source of enforced workers.

        You mention the Eichmann Trial – but this was merely an Israeli propaganda stunt, and nothing more than a show trial. Attorney General Hausner was a government stooge, who was purposely chosen to be the ringmaster of a televised circus. And the last person they would want to make an appearance there would be your father, who knew something about the realities and complexities of the situation, and attempt to bring the facts and the truth before the court.

        Comment by Talbot — March 22, 2016 @ 11:22 am

        • “But at this point, we fundamentally disagree with each other. You claim that the Nazis wanted to exterminate the entire Jewish population of Europe – and actually carried out a program of genocide. I disagree. The “Final Solution” was not mass killing at all – but the deportation of the Jews to the Eastern territories”

          See, this where the narrative falls apart.
          The problem with the theory of deporting the Jews to the Eastern Territories is that no proof of it exists.

          We are dealing with a very specific timetable.

          The camps were built in the Spring and Summer of 1942. Belzec began to receive prisoners in March of 1942, Sobibor (I believe) in either May or June of 1942 and Treblinka in July of 1942.
          Now, “revisionist” theory states that they were transit camps.

          Jim provided evidence of Jews evacuated from the Baltic States and David Cole provided evidence that some Jewish male laborers appeared in Belorussia but that’s it.

          Keep in mind what was going on at this same time. The Germans were engaged in full scale military operations at that time in the Soviet Union. There was a partisan war going on during this time.

          The Germans were taking massive amounts of food from this area, along with forced laborers (non-Jews).
          Now, what “revisionist” theory states is that somehow these Jews were transported to holding areas or camps in the USSR.

          However, this clashes with the buildup and military operations in the Southern part of the USSR, as well as Hitler shifting forces North to Leningrad.
          Transportation is at a premium. Any attempt to transfer some 1.5 million men women and children would interfere with that.

          Why bother to do this at all? There were ghettos for the Polish Jews already in Poland. Many of them were utilized by the Wehrmacht to manufacture war material.

          So, trying to transport a million or so Jews makes no sense. The Wehrmacht could use local Jews for labor and did so.

          I’ve asked and no one can supply any proof that large masses of Jews were transported East. It is inconceivable that they could park themselves in the Operation Reinhard Camps, they were too small.
          So, this narrative makes no sense.

          Why would it be so hard to build gas chambers at these camps? You need a building you can make air tight, or at least semi-airtight. You need a delivery system and something toxic to kill large numbers of people.

          The bottleneck comes with body disposal but this can be solved.
          It’s a more logical explanation than sending a million or so Jews into a war zone to some type of camp system that no one has any evidence of.

          “But of course, this didn’t happen – the Germans found themselves bogged-down in a quagmire as the war continued to rage on. From the beginning of 1942, the Germans desperately needed labour for their war industries and turned to the populations of the vanquished countries – including the Jews – as a source for a readily available source of enforced workers.”

          But not those that could not do labor, they were useless mouths….and members of a despised minority group.
          A perfect recipe for genocide.

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 12:12 pm

          • Do you mind, Jeff – I was addressing a considered post to Wolf Murmelstein personally. I”ll come and deal with you and your little problems at a late date. Thank you.

            Comment by Talbot — March 22, 2016 @ 12:35 pm

            • Of course I don’t mind, Talbot.
              I don’t mind pointing out denier mistakes.
              You feel free to get to me and my little problems anytime you like.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 12:52 pm

              • You wrote: “I don’t mind pointing out denier mistakes.”

                What do you think are the 3 biggest “denier mistakes”?

                Comment by furtherglory — March 22, 2016 @ 3:46 pm

                • The three biggest denier mistakes:

                  1) The theory that the Jews were sent to the East without having proof.

                  2) Not having a reasonable, verifiable explanation on what happened to the Hungarian Jews.

                  3) Pushing the idea that the ARC were transit camps without knowing where the Jews were transited too.
                  This goes along with number one.

                  Other mistakes:
                  Utilizing Fred Leuchter to disprove the gas chambers at Birkenau. I would have used a chemist and an engineer or architect. Of course this is my opinion but you asked.
                  An over emphasis on anti-Semitism. Frankly, it’s a turn off.
                  The odd conspiracy theories that percolate around without having any real proof.
                  The tendency to scream “lies!” “Forgeries!” When actually provided with evidence of the Holocaust.
                  The obsession with bringing up the rumors of steam, liquid, self burying gas chambers, etc. that were long ago discarded.
                  The obsession with proving Anne Frank’s Diary is a forgery. Seriously.

                  Well, that’s just off the top of my head. I know you asked for three but I just started typing and I couldn’t stop.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 4:05 pm

                • You wrote: “Other mistakes:
                  Utilizing Fred Leuchter to disprove the gas chambers at Birkenau. I would have used a chemist and an engineer or architect.”

                  Fred Leuchter was the one and only gas chamber expert in the world. I wrote about him on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/05/26/listen-to-what-a-gas-chamber-expert-had-to-say-about-the-holocaust-gas-chambers/

                  The problem with Fred Leuchter is that he is too nice. He should have raised Holy Hell and sued the people who criticized him and ruined his business as a gas chamber consultant.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 22, 2016 @ 4:34 pm

                • Leuchter never built a gas chamber. Or designed one that someone built.
                  I’m going to answer your post about the deportation of the Jews to the East here.
                  A few Jews popping up after the war does not explain where the Jews went during it. A post about the Bug River doesn’t explain it either.
                  The whole idea of the camps being in rural areas was secrecy. Building a gas chamber in Warsaw, secret or not, would cause resistance. What would you do with the bodies? Wouldn’t a pile of bodies cause issues? Wouldn’t it cause suspicion to see Jews walking into a building and not walking out again?
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 8:01 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Leuchter never built a gas chamber.”

                  While Pressac and Hilberg built myriads of gas chambers…

                  Comment by hermie — March 24, 2016 @ 8:02 pm

          • You wrote: “The problem with the theory of deporting the Jews to the Eastern Territories is that no proof of it exists.”

            I think that there is proof that the Jews were deported — because many of them came back to Germany after the war. They were out on the streets in Germany begging for money.

            I wrote about the Jews killed in the Holocaust on this blog post:

            https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/how-many-german-jews-were-killed-in-the-holocaust/

            Comment by furtherglory — March 22, 2016 @ 3:55 pm

            • I thought a lot of Jews,”didn’t” want to return to Germany . I read somewhere the Jews were still wiggin over the holo. They were afraid there were still people in Germany that would track them down and start bumping them off again

              Comment by Tim — March 22, 2016 @ 5:42 pm

              • Tim wrote: “I thought a lot of Jews,”didn’t” want to return to Germany”

                To Germany, Austria, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, etc. Burn a man’s house and you’ll turn him into a colonist much more easily. The forced uprooting of Ostjuden was one of the main aims of Zionist-induced WW2 and of the numerous other Zionist attacks against Nazi Germany. When WW2 came to an end, the Zionists worked hard to prevent the UNRRA from forcing the D.P. Jews to go back home after the end of the war. Only one place was proper for the resettlement of the displaced Jews and there is even no need to mention it by name.

                Comment by hermie — March 26, 2016 @ 9:57 am

                • So the Jews being afraid to go back home was like,”urban legend” of sorts? Remember . Up until I found this site,”history for the masses”,was all I had to go on.

                  Comment by Tim — March 26, 2016 @ 10:17 am

                • I wrote a blog post about the Jews flocking back to Germany: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/10/13/jews-flocking-back-to-germany/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 26, 2016 @ 11:05 am

                • Tim wrote: “So the Jews being afraid to go back home was like,”urban legend” of sorts?”

                  Yes, it was. When WW2 ended, Germany became some kind of transit station to Palestine. British Lieutenant-General Frederick E. Morgan, the original planner of Operation Overlord and later (after the war) the Chief of Operations for the UNRRA in Germany, was fired for ‘off the record’ comments about that Zionist-led ‘Second Exodus’ from Germany (https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=8948).

                  Comment by hermie — March 26, 2016 @ 9:39 pm

          • I have blogged about the Jews being transported to the
            East until I am blue in the face. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/transportation-to-the-east/

            Some day, you will travel to the Holocaust sites, and it will all become clear to you. It doesn’t make sense to transfer Jews from Warsaw to Treblinka to gas them. It would have been more practical to build hidden gas chambers in Warsaw.

            Comment by furtherglory — March 22, 2016 @ 4:17 pm

        • TALBOT. JWFF, TIM. The deep roots of Nazi racist totalitarian ideology are more than five centuries old when in1510 a so called OBERREINLAENDISHER REVOLUTIONAER – revolution man of Upper Rhine – wrote an essay inviting Emperor Maximilan II to lead a war to conquest Europe, subduing all other ethnic groups to the Germans and exterminate the Jewish people. Early German Romanticism already in the twenthies of Century XIX launched the idea of exterminate the Jews by the mean of forced labor. Similar ideas flourished also in end Century XIX in extremist right wing Catholic circles in France. So the first step in 1933 had been force emigration of people robbed in various ways of their properties ugh ughnd then from 1939 on in Poland the establshing of overcrowded Ghettoes where starvation and deseases caused an increasing death toll. Then, later, came the deportations to East where the Nazis could build their Death Camps far away from other European countries and start an industrialized process of mass killing in the Gas Chambers blow up as soon as most of Jews had been killed. Forced labor, death marches and deseases due to harch conditions.
          The Jewish leadership had been mainly a reliigious, not polical, one. Only part of Sionist leaders understood the danger and had the skill to manage the emigration. When some Jewish leader realized that “… it will mean to death” it had been already too late.
          Clearly, who in those times of darkness stood safe in USA, UK or in other countries or, as You, is too young to have ever faced an SS wearing uniform and holding weapons, has gteat difficulty to realize things. The lack of knowledge of historical and ideoligical backgorund is quite unfortunate. and needs help..
          I am a specail chiòd survivor due to the position of my Father.
          Best Wishes for Easter.

          Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 22, 2016 @ 2:19 pm

          • We also can’t forget Martin Luther. Luther was also a violent anti-Semite.
            Unfortunately anti-Semitism has a long, ugly history.
            One of the only reasons to read Daniel Goldhagen’s book “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” is that it details the anti-Semitic parties active in Germany during the 1900’s. Many of these parties actively sought to deport or exterminate German Jews.

            Jeff

            Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 2:40 pm

            • You wrote: We also can’t forget Martin Luther. Luther was also a violent anti-Semite.”

              Why do you classify him as a “violent anti-Semite”? What acts of violence did he commit against Jews?

              I wrote about Martin Luther on this blog post:

              https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/martin-luther-and-the-diet-of-worms/

              Comment by furtherglory — March 22, 2016 @ 3:30 pm

            • You mentioned Daniel Goldhagen’s book “Hitler’s Willing Executiorers.” I blogged about
              Goldhagen and his book on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/origin-of-the-belief-that-prisoners-were-burned-alive-on-the-death-marches-out-of-the-concentration-camps/

              Comment by furtherglory — March 22, 2016 @ 3:35 pm

              • I think Goldhagen’s book is interesting for its history of the German anti-Semitic parties in the 1900’s.
                I also thought it interesting in its exploration of the motivations of the killers.
                I read “Ordinary Men,” Christopher Browning’s book that Goldhagen wrote his book in response to.
                I found both lacking. I thought Browning did not take into account the personal feelings of the men involved while Goldhagen went too far in saying that Germans had some innate desire for genocide. I thought that Saul Frielander’s book “The Years of Extermination” was better.

                Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 8:28 pm

                • Jeff. Whose Konrad Morgen. I just got in the house and turned the tv on. The show is about Auschwitz ( like it would be about anything else). It’s called “Auschwitz;exploitation”. They description is,”corruption permeates auschwitz/birkenau.” This fella Morgen comes out to inspect the prison. It sounded like there was bad blood between him and Rudy Hoss. He was making sure all the loot that was taken from the prisoners was all going to the reich like it was supposed to. He’s doing a locker check and finds a lot of the prison guards got shit stashed in their locker. I thought they had a book keeper that recorded all the personal shit the Jews had with them. This program was hard to follow. They were jumping around a lot. Next thing they’re talking about Danish Jews . There was this ol boy that was a nazi. He was in charge of making sure they rounded up all the Danish Jews . Best was his last name. I can’t recall his first name. He was friends with this local fella who was sympathetic to the Jews . This nazi Best was sympathetic towards the Jews too. This nazi told this guy on October 1st (a Friday) they were to start rounding up the Jews . This local fella passes on the word to the rabbi . The rabbi passes it on to his church congregation. Friday rolls around and they only get a handful of Jews . The rest hauled ass across this lake to Switzerland . None of this would’ve happened if that nazi didn’t help the Jews. Nazis are such assholes,how come you never hear about men like Best. He sure as hell wasn’t a ground pounder . He was one of the big dogs on the company. He helped the Jews ,but it don’t seem like history wants to give credit,where it’s due. So what was this guys story?

                  Comment by Tim — March 22, 2016 @ 9:09 pm

                • Konrad Morgen was an SS judge who investigated corruption in the Nazi Concentration Camp system.

                  You can read more about him here:
                  http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/trials/konradmorgen.html

                  Corruption was rampant in the camp system. As I’ve said before, the Nazis didn’t like Jews very much but they didn’t mind stealing their stuff. Morgen investigated this corruption in 1943 and actually prosecuted SS members for stealing and other crimes. This included some death sentences.

                  After the war Morgen testified to existence of the gas chambers. The allies wanted him to testify on things that weren’t true and even tortured him but Morgen never broke.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 23, 2016 @ 6:41 am

                • I wrote several blog posts about Konrad Morgen
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/dr-georg-konrad-morgen/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2016 @ 6:57 am

                • You wrote: “Konrad Morgen was an SS judge” If anyone here wants to google him, look up “Dr.Georg Konrad Morgen”. If you google “Konrad Morgen” you will get Holohoax websites.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2016 @ 7:01 am

                • Please Google Konrad Morgen.

                  We don’t want anyone tricked into denier websites.

                  😄😄

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 23, 2016 @ 7:59 am

                • I don’t understand your comment. I wrote about Konrad Morgen on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch3.html

                  It would be a rare search, in which my website would come up first on google. A few years ago, a group of Jewish people went to google and made them change their search system so that denier websites would not be in the top results. The former search algorithm put websites in order of how many hits and how long the website had been up. This caused too many denier websites to come up first.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2016 @ 9:03 am

                • I was kidding.
                  You said you don’t want anyone to wind up on Holohoax websites. I don’t them winding up on denier websites.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 23, 2016 @ 9:19 am

                • I learned in Journalism school, long ago, that both sides of a story should be given in the news. Now that rule has been changed so that only one side of any story is published in newspapers. This was long before websites and the internet came into this world. Websites are now categorized as True Believer and Denier websites. God forbid that you should read a Denier website. You are reading a Denier blog right now. Why?

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2016 @ 9:30 am

                • You seem to be taking my joke personally. If I have offended I apologize.
                  As to why I am here, it’s for the same reason I’ve read Inconvenient Histories. Or CODOH. Or Holocaust Controversies. Or HEART.
                  I like to keep busy, it is about I subject I enjoy and I am naturally curious.
                  Plus, I enjoy the back and forth.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 23, 2016 @ 9:51 am

                • I am familiar with the HEART website. I mentioned it on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/12/20/the-disinfection-sign-at-auschwitz/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2016 @ 9:59 am

                • Obama

                  Comment by Tim — March 23, 2016 @ 10:44 am

                • You are apparently not familiar with the Jewish expression “God forbid that you should xxxx.”

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2016 @ 9:50 am

                • I’m not sure I understand what that means….

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 23, 2016 @ 10:53 am

                • Jews being crybabies again,cause the world don’t work the way they think it should . I say “deal with it!”

                  Comment by Tim — March 23, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

                • You said if a person ran Konrad Morgen,they’d hit on a hoax website. I was gonna run both names and juxtapose the results. I put in “Konrad Morgen”. It took me to “holocaust research project” page. I’m pretty sure this page wasn’t maintained by the folks who cried hoax. There was a whole section on there dealing with “survivor stories”. They weren’t picking the stories apart. If this was a site where they dissected those stories and screamed lie , I’d believe it was a site that stood with the hoax team. Instead it had stories like super Jew jumping off a train going full steam and being free. Ol Konrad was a healthy lookin fella. If there were food shortages for the prisons,I think it was Konrad that was gobbling up the groceries. He could afford to miss a few meals. They said Ol Konrad investigated Buchenwald. They said after his investigation Ol Koch was executed . They didn’t say what happened to ilse his wife. I heard a story she would walk around the camp naked. If a Jew looked at her,she’d have them shot. Don’t know why anyone would want to look at her. She was just flat out coyote ugly. At any rate it said he burned a bunch of SS soldiers at one camp because they had a wedding. It was mixer. Jews and SS people. Every time I hear of something like this,the word “reward” is always in there somewhere. From what I heard,they’d get in on shit like this,if they were doing a good job. Okay if they hate the Jews so much,why are they gonna give two shits if they’re rewarded or not? I figure the nazis would say,”here’s your reward . You get to see another sunrise. You don’t get a bullet between your eyes”. Shit don’t make good sense. Either the nazis were assholes or not. Ain’t no in between . Something else on that show last night ( don’t know what this had to do with anything). They’d give vouchers to the Jews they favored. In turn the voucher would get the Jew laid at the local whorehouse. The whorehouse was stocked with Jew women. The nazis were banging these Jew whores. Every time I hear a nazi talk about Jews,they speak of them like they are the nastiest people around . Like they have every disease in the book. They just contradicted themselves. They’re knocking off a piece from some Jew whore. It might make sense if the Jew men were making it with a Jew whore,but not a nazi soldier. They had Jew tailors and Jew barbers. I could understand them not having a problem with a Jew tailor,but a Jew barber? I figure they’d be like,”keep your filthy Jew hands off my hair”. Instead they give those Jews gift certificates to the whorehouse. It’s starting to look like the regular Joe nazi,didn’t hate the Jews as bad as history said they did. There’s just to much confusing shit thrown into the mix. Hard to tell which side is lying or if it’s both sides. Don’t sound like they were the total hard asses they were made out to be.

                  Comment by Tim — March 23, 2016 @ 12:29 pm

                • I wrote several blog posts about the Danish Jews:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/danish-jews/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2016 @ 7:14 am

                • Aside from the numbers , there’s a ton of other shit that’s confusing about this subject. Where did Eichman from? I’ll admit I walked in on the middle of this show,but no where was Eichman mentioned. This rescue effort ( that’s the best way I can think to put it ) was the handy woe of Best and some official there in Denmark. They both were on the side of the Jews . Best made a comment,I wish I could build a bridge to Switzerland . The local big dog told him,I’ll get the bridge built. From the way they wrote this show,it sounded like the local big told the rabbis they told the church congregation and on the night of the round up, the nazis were hitting the houses and nobody was home. Apparently the Jews were paying their scratch to local fishermen there and they were toting them across this big area of water and dropping them in Switzerland . There was a few Jews left that didn’t get the message to get the hell outta Dodge. They were rounded up. Eichmans name didnt pop up anywhere I there . There is one thing I find a bit odd. None of the big wheels back in Berlin smelled a rat? I mean they had this big ass operation going to round up the Danish Hebs on Friday the 1st. None to be found . Nobody questioned that? The show said these orders came from Berlin. Clearly they knew there was a shitload of Jews there. I don’t think this was something that was decided over a drink at the neighborhood pub. Rounding up the Jews. Sending to whatever prison they could get them to. Securing the rails so they could ship them to the prisons. It seems the logistics alone would have a person pulling their hair out. However they go to round them up and they find themselves knocking down doors,on empty dwellings. The Jews done pulled up stakes and hauled ass. Nobody raised an eyebrow over that? I figure at the very least Best is gonna be put on the hotseat. From my understanding,this was kinda like the Danish version of the Mariel Boatlift. Nobody thought it a bit strange that boats were coming and going? These fishermen weren’t exactly saints. They were getting money from the Jews for this. I don’t think an excuse like,”well all the local Jews went to the club that night and they were all gettin hammered”. Best was the local nazi big dog,I figure they would’ve dragged his ass over the coals. It just don’t make good sense. That many Jews disappear ,on that very day and nobody raises an eye over this

                  Comment by Tim — March 23, 2016 @ 11:39 am

                • I read Goldhagen’s book many years ago. I wrote about him on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/daniel-goldhagen/

                  Notice the date of the blog post: 2010

                  Goldhagen’s book was very popular in 2010. I was not aware that people are still reading his lies.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2016 @ 7:35 am

                • I think I read his book at about that time, around 2010.

                  I wouldn’t call it lies, just misinterpretation and bias.

                  It’s ridiculous to think that Germans are somehow wired differently, that they are more likely to commit genocide.

                  Frankly, we are all wired to commit violence under the right circumstances and humans have killed humans since the dawn of time. Genocides are nothing new.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 23, 2016 @ 8:04 am

            • So hitler don’t hold the monopoly of hating Jews . That shit was going on long before hitler was even born,correct?

              Comment by Tim — March 22, 2016 @ 5:35 pm

              • Oh yes. Like other minorities the Jews have been persecuted throughout the centuries.

                Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 8:30 pm

            • Jeff wrote: “Unfortunately anti-Semitism has a long, ugly history.”

              What a first-class fag!

              Comment by hermie — March 24, 2016 @ 8:05 pm

              • Well, it does take one to know one, Hermie.

                I’ve always noticed that those who freak so much over gay people secretly desire to go there.

                Do you secretly fantasize about long hiking trips with the Hitler Youth?

                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — March 24, 2016 @ 8:19 pm

              • Jeff wrote: “I’ve always noticed that those who freak so much over gay people secretly desire to go there.”

                2-cent psychoanalysis for morons…

                Jeff wrote: “Do you secretly fantasize about long hiking trips with the Hitler Youth?”

                Not secretly. But unfortunately I’m too old to hike with the Hitler Youth anyway, and I would probably have been sacked for beating too many kikes along the path.

                Comment by hermie — March 24, 2016 @ 8:28 pm

                • Aaaawwww.

                  I think someone secretly desires Hitler’s bulbous bratwurst up his backside.

                  Sorry. 70 years too late…..

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 24, 2016 @ 8:31 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “I think someone secretly desires Hitler’s bulbous bratwurst up his backside.”

                  Keep your deviant sexual fantasies for yourself.

                  Applying your own 2-cent psychoanalysis to you, I guess there is on here somebody who wants to have his ass gangbanged on and on in jail by guys of the ‘Aryan Brotherhood’ or of another similar gang of White Supremacist clowns.😉

                  Comment by hermie — March 25, 2016 @ 9:39 am

                • Actually it’s the blacks. The Building Tender marks someone and the blacks round him up and haul him to the washroom. The ABs are too busy killing people. Good example there is the AB that killed the terrorist Jew Earl Keugel at Phoenix FCI.

                  Comment by Tim — March 25, 2016 @ 9:57 am

                • Jeff wrote: “I think someone secretly desires Hitler’s bulbous bratwurst up his backside.”

                  “Keep your deviant sexual fantasies for yourself.”

                  It’s certainly not mine.
                  But, how else do you explain your love for a moribund political ideology that died, along with the man who led it, 70 years ago?

                  “Applying your own 2-cent psychoanalysis to you, I guess there is on here somebody who wants to have his ass gangbanged on and on in jail by guys of the ‘Aryan Brotherhood’ or of another similar gang of White Supremacist clowns. ;-)”

                  You said it, not me.
                  Maybe you should keep your deviant sexual fantasies to yourself.

                  “2-cent psychoanalysis”

                  Those are big words coming from someone who started this conversation with:

                  “What a first class fag!”

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 25, 2016 @ 10:30 am

                • Jeff wrote: “But, how else do you explain your love for a moribund political ideology that died, along with the man who led it, 70 years ago?”

                  More inspiring than the choice of leaders by masses of average idiots and consumerist dreams as sole purpose in life. I think I’ll always fail to see the value of democracy. To me, democracy – or media-idiocracy – is just Jewish social engineering based on the boundless stupidity of the masses and intended to kosher domination. National Socialism is the antidote to the Judeo-Masonic plot for the annihilation of all races (except the Jewish race), religions (except Judaism), nations (except Israel) and cultures (except Hebrew-Talmudic folklore).

                  Comment by hermie — March 25, 2016 @ 6:28 pm

          • You wrote: “The deep roots of Nazi racist totalitarian ideology are more than five centuries old when in 1510 a so called OBERREINLAENDISHER REVOLUTIONAER – revolution man of Upper Rhine – wrote an essay inviting Emperor Maximilan II to lead a war to conquest Europe, subduing all other ethnic groups to the Germans and exterminate the Jewish people.”

            Hatred of the Jews goes farther back than 1510.

            I wrote about the Jews being killed in 1298:
            https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/the-holocaust-of-1298-in-germany/

            Why have the Jews been hated for so long? Was it something that the Jews did?

            Comment by furtherglory — March 22, 2016 @ 4:09 pm

            • Hey what about the Romans and Jews . I read they had a few feuds going . It also said the Romans eventually bent over backwards trying to accommodate the Jews on a few things and the Jews turned around and shit on em. What’s the skinny on that? I even remember Pontius Pilate trying to get the Jews to side with Jesus . Instead they wanted him executed. That’s the shit that’s always confused me. The Jews turning on their own. I know they did it because they were envious of Christ . If they did it with him,they sure as hell ain’t gonna have a problem dicking over one of their own,that was just an ordinary Jew . If they turn on each other,how did they ever get this far

              Comment by Tim — March 22, 2016 @ 7:17 pm

            • FURTHERGLORY. Jews believed in G’D only and did not worship idols or tyranns hold as deities and tyrannies could not bear this. Since the destruction of first Jerusalem Sanctuary Jews had to fight, in various ways, for the freedom to worship G’D without any idol before HIM. So an uppressed minority group had been often banned from trades or agricolture and compelled perform defamed tasks like money lending and then blamed as usurors in hatefull preaches of monks or so. Luther already called fot burning their books, their synagogues, punish their rabbis, destruct their homes and then expell them all. Just as done by the Catholic Inquisition in Spanish Empire and other places.

              Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 23, 2016 @ 2:26 am

  6. FURTHERGLORY. At Theresienstadt in January 1945 the Eichmann Staff started to adapt a suitable room in the wall as a Gas Chamber but works had been stopped on order of Governor SS General Karl Hermann Frank who wanted to reach a personal deal with Allied Comands. The, at March 8 1944 thee group arrived from Theresienstadt in September 1943 and hold in the Familienlager for six month only to fool us with post cards had been gased. The Familienlager had been visited in Decembre 1943 by Red Cross Representative Roessel who so could report that things had been all right. When it had not been necessary any more to fool so the Jews as the Red Cross the group had been gased the day remembering survival by self defence in Persiian Empire. That is all and a more carefull way to report would be apreciated.

    Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 21, 2016 @ 11:28 am

  7. When she offered her mittens to her brother and he gave her his response,was there a violin in the background playing a melancholy tune ? It just sounds like a Hollywood script writer wrote that. I thought the Krauts took all their personal shit when they hit the prison. I ask because it sounds like something she would’ve arrived with . Maybe she did like the diamond lady did. Kept swallowing her mittens and shitting them out,so the prison guards wouldn’t know she had them .

    Comment by Tim — March 21, 2016 @ 11:10 am

  8. What sort of Truth is it, that crushes the freedom to seek the truth?

    I wish to express my outrage that the Holocaust, unlike any other historical event, is not subject to critical revisionist investigation. Furthermore I deplore the fact that many so-called democratic states have laws that criminalize public doubting of the Holocaust. It is my position that the veracity of Holocaust assertions should be determined in the marketplace of scholarly discourse and not in our legislatures bodies and courthouses.

    Let’s end ‘thought crimes’ in the twenty-first century. Dr. Faurisson’s thoughts cannot be killed by his imprisonment.

    Peace.

    Michael Santomauro

    Comment by Michael Santomauro (@Santomauro) — March 21, 2016 @ 10:47 am

    • Nice to see you commenting here. For the newbs who might be reading this, Michael Santomauro is weltbekannt [world known]. Google his name for details.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 21, 2016 @ 11:08 am

    • “I wish to express my outrage that the Holocaust, unlike any other historical event, is not subject to critical revisionist investigation. Furthermore I deplore the fact that many so-called democratic states have laws that criminalize public doubting of the Holocaust. It is my position that the veracity of Holocaust assertions should be determined in the marketplace of scholarly discourse and not in our legislatures bodies and courthouses.”

      Frankly, I agree with you.
      The free expression of any idea or ideas (no matter how ridiculous) should be the bedrock of any democratic state. Only hate speech, that speech that directly or indirectly leads to violence, should be outlawed.
      Also, anyone who inflicts violence on anyone, including Holocaust deniers, needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

      Prosecuting someone and putting them in jail for having a dissenting idea or opinion is wrong.

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 11:10 am

      • “The free expression of any idea or ideas (no matter how ridiculous) should be the bedrock of any democratic state. Only hate speech, that speech that directly or indirectly leads to violence, should be outlawed.” you contradict yourself here. Who determines what is hateful? you? the ADL? Can we prosecute Rev Al, Jeremiah Wright, Calypso Louie, Bill Ayers, Tim Wise et al for every nigger who rapes, robs or kills a white person since they have stoked the fires of racial animus?

        Comment by Schlageter — March 21, 2016 @ 12:47 pm

        • “Who determines what is hateful? you? the ADL? Can we prosecute Rev Al, Jeremiah Wright, Calypso Louie, Bill Ayers, Tim Wise et al for every nigger who rapes, robs or kills a white person since they have stoked the fires of racial animus?”

          The idea of “fighting words” or “words that incite” is long established in US law.

          For example, if you said to someone “Hey, I think the world could do with less (insert stupid racist word here). We ought to start by shooting up some (insert stupid racist word here) schools and killing some of the little (insert stupid racist word here).” If that person then goes and shoots up an urban school filled with black kids and kills some of them then you are liable for inciting this person to commit this act.

          I hope that helps. Personally, considering the words you used I think the world would be a brighter place with you in prison. Frankly, your use of the word “nigger” disgusts me. But, putting aside my personal feelings I realize you have the right to be a racist dickhead as long as you aren’t inciting people to do violence.

          But, back on a personal level, what I really want you to do is come to the United States, stand in the middle of Compton and open that racist fucking mouth of yours. I’m sure that the inhabitants would enjoy that. If you do decide to do that please record it and in your last moments upload it to YouTube.

          Sincerely,
          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 1:21 pm

          • This person wasn’t fortunate enough to be growing up in the racist south like I was. Has person ever heard of “Dynamite Bob”? Klansman that bombed a church in Birmingham . Murdered 4 little black girls that were just trying to go to church. That’s in addition to the houses he fire bombed. It’s a f–ked up deal here. Shitload of people admire the man. Heard one klansman say ,”bricks,bombs or bullets. What ever it took,bob chambliss would do it.” What do you expect. Klansman are ignorant inbred shits.

            Comment by Tim — March 21, 2016 @ 1:41 pm

            • “Klansman are ignorant inbred shits.”

              So are neo-Nazi Hitler hero worshippers.

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 1:57 pm

              • Yeah and the person you were talking to clearly never met a klansman. I remember when I was growing up one time I was on the phone with a friend . My moma heard me use the magical racial slur. She smacked me. The receiver part of the phone hit the wall with my head right behind it. Had a big ol knot on the side of my head for the next 4 days. Moma could’ve really told this guy what racism is about. She grew up in depression era Alabama . The Klan ran the state back then.

                Comment by Tim — March 21, 2016 @ 2:18 pm

                • I do think it would be funny to see Schlageter walking around someplace like Compton shooting his mouth off. I’d pay good money to see that.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 2:25 pm

                • No. 3rd or 4th ward in Houston. A lot of murders that happen in the greater Houston area,lead right back there. It’s policy that cops patrol in pairs in those areas. The only other area that’s almost as bad as that,is Greenspoint. I don’t think I need to tell you why it’s been nicknamed “gunspoint”.

                  Comment by Tim — March 21, 2016 @ 2:30 pm

                • So a) you deny the overwhelming evidence of black crime b) you admit that low IQ, low impulse control blacks are prone to violence over words they call each other every day.
                  Thanks for confirming my point. And Compton is a shithole why again?
                  Finally, must be hard to accept …the fact that your kids IQs will be stunted due to their African DNA

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 21, 2016 @ 4:47 pm

                • You got me. Mixed up with Jeff buddy. I didn’t say shit about Compton . I made the comment about the 3rd and 4th ward in Houston in my much loved Lone Star State. 3rd and 4th ward make Compton look like Disneyland. The other one I mentioned was Greenspoint ( AKA Gunspoint). Greenspoint make Atlanta look like a day at the races. Get the right person next time.

                  Comment by tim — March 21, 2016 @ 5:51 pm

                • Tim, Schlageter’s problem is that he is so stuffed full of Nazi bullshit it blinds him.
                  In addition, having Nazi shit for brains makes him stupid.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 5:56 pm

                • No . I just nailed his ass down about my time in country. Told him we weren’t heros,just survivors. He reminds me of those 90 day wonders. They come out of OCS. They got their butter bars pinned on their uniform and think they no everything. They find out real quick how stupid they are.

                  Comment by Tim — March 21, 2016 @ 6:25 pm

                • Whatever, Mr Nam-hero.
                  Too bad we couldn’t turn Don Shipley or BG Burkett on your fake ass.
                  Bout as close you came to being in the shit was smoking that black tar heroin in Saigon, probably with some little boy toy. Carry on…

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 21, 2016 @ 4:52 pm

                • F–k you Susie . You don’t have the first clue about shit ! Do you ? Guess what Minnie . There were no heros come outta Nam. We were just survivors. The man next to you,you put your life in his hands. He put his life in yours. You wouldn’t of survived . You talk too much shit. Ever take another mans life? I know you haven’t . Believe me boy,you don’t ever wanna know what that feels like. I don’t give a f–k if he’s trying to take your life or not. You took that mans life,now you’re responsible for his ghost. I got 3 ghost that I know I’m responsible for. We’d go through the personal effects of the dinks we killed. We looking for intell. I went through the pockets of a dink I shot. He had a bunch of pictures. Pictures of moma and daddy. Pictures what looked to be his wife and kids. Reality slapped the shit outta me,on the spot. Thanks to me,a moma and daddy lost a son . A wife became a widow and kids became fatherless. I don’t give a f–k if he was on the opposing team,I took his life. Did jungle training at Ft. Polk. We were chomping at the bit. The minute that loading ramp came down,we got off the plane. Walked off,the humidity nailed us,I looked around and figured out,this ain’t how the travel brochure described it. We had a saying,”Vietnam. The land that God forgot”. You talk to much. You’re the kind who talks tough,but when push come to shove, you’ll cry like a baby. Wish you lived here in La Grange,Texas. I’d educate your ass. Get your drug names straight before you open that piehole of yours. It’s called China White buttplug. Tar heroin is courtesy of our friends south of the border. Grow up shit dick. Till then,take your toys and go home Sharon

                  Comment by Tim — March 21, 2016 @ 6:20 pm

                • He has some nerve talking about boy toys, Tim.
                  He once offered to piss on me.

                  Now, that is not going to work for two reasons:

                  1) I’m not into dudes.
                  2) I’m not into water sports.

                  Just between you and me I think he has a bit of a “Hitler Youth” fetish that he doesn’t have the courage to admit.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 6:37 pm

                • Hey. I tried my best to explain it to him. Like I said,he wouldn’t have lasted over there. He ain’t got what it takes to survive.

                  Comment by Tim — March 21, 2016 @ 6:41 pm

        • As you know, Schlageter, I enjoy history.
          Imagine my enjoyment when I came across the story of the “Rhineland Bastards:”
          Carr in Germany’s Black Holocaust: 1890-1945, estimates that over 200,000 French troops occupied the Rhineland region. They included a number black colonial troops.
          Some of these African Rhineland-based soldiers married German women and raised their children as German; other German women had children by African soldiers outside of marriage.

          Estimates vary, but there were over 800 dual-heritage children living in the Rhineland region. The Nazis and some sections of the press labeled these children “Rhineland Bastards” or “Rhineland Mischlingers” (mixing their blood with “alien” races).

          I imagine the thought must horrify you, the fact that pure, beautiful, blonde German maidens willingly married or had sex with French African troops based in the Rhineland after WW I.

          I guess you might say they preferred their bratwurst “blackened!!!”

          😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

          Have a nice day, Schlageter.

          Truly sincerely,
          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 2:10 pm

          • That’s funny; even sub 70 IQ Africans could figure out that blonde maidens are superior in every way to the she-males of their own species.

            What’s your excuse? You like dem nappy-heads?

            Comment by Schlageter — March 21, 2016 @ 4:49 pm

            • I see beauty in all women, Schlageter.

              Do you just like pretty boys?

              Jeff

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 8:44 pm

            • You know, Schlageter, I think what I sense is suppressed sexual envy.
              What’s the matter?
              Did you once catch “jingle fever” only to have it unrequited?
              A Jewish girl refuse to spin your dreidel?
              A Japanese girl wouldn’t let you sheath your sword?
              Aaaaaaaawwwwww, that’s too bad.
              To be honest, Schlageter, I lied. My wife isn’t black. I just wanted to see your reaction and you didn’t disappoint. You plunged into the disgusting depths of your pathetic racism. It just shows me your rather simplistic mind that you go there.
              Oh, I suppose it must gall you. After all, some 70 years ago the Soviets, Brits and US turned Germany out like a common street walker.
              Just think, all of those Mongols, blacks, Jews, Russians, Brits and mongrel US citizens running rampant through Germany. What a shame. How shameful.
              So much for the “Thousand Year Reich.” It lasted twelve years.

              Jeff
              It makes the heart weep.

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 9:23 pm

              • You wrote: “Just think, all of those Mongols, blacks, Jews, Russians, Brits and mongrel US citizens running rampant through Germany. What a shame. How shameful.”

                Years ago, I read a book written by a German woman, who wrote all about what it was like when all the women in Germany were raped by Russian soldiers. She wrote that the women who were raped had abortions, so that there were very few children born as a result of the mass rape. Many had a shot to prevent conception after the rape. The few women, who had babies as a result of rape, gave them up for adoption. They were put in homes, but no one wanted to adopt them.

                She wrote that, after a period of a few weeks, the Russians ordered the rapes to stop. The German women were then put to work loading the trains with German goods that was shipped to Russia. She wrote that, after raping women was banned, the Russian soldiers tried to get the German women to have sex with them voluntarily.

                Comment by furtherglory — March 22, 2016 @ 7:02 am

                • “Years ago, I read a book written by a German woman, who wrote all about what it was like when all the women in Germany were raped by Russian soldiers. She wrote that the women who were raped had abortions, so that there were very few children born as a result of the mass rape. Many had a shot to prevent conception after the rape. The few women, who babies as a result of rape, gave them up for adoption. They were put in homes, but no one wanted to adopt them.”

                  Upon reflection, I realize what I said was insensitive.
                  I apologize. It is wrong to make light of the suffering that all Germans went through at that time, especially the women who were raped by allied troops.
                  I’ve mentioned before I’m actually very polite, however, some of the people that reply here make my teeth clench.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 7:25 am

                • You forgot to mentioned the women who offed themselves. I don’t care if a woman was on the side that was the prior enemy of the ruskies or not. Violence towards women is unacceptable. Far as I’m concerned the only cure for a rapist,is lead poisoning. I heard where the higher ups in the ruskie army told all the krauts,” do not lock your doors.” What a piss ignorant ruskie. The pictures I saw of Berlin when the tool it over,I don’t see where there were enough structures left standing to support a door frame,let alone a door. Those pricks are “criminals too”,but they got their get outta jail free card. The only military leader I had any respect for outta the whole bunch,was the general ( Patton ). His attitude was,”okay. The war is over. You lost. Now pull yourselves up and let’s get your country rebuilt”. I’ve heard some people say that it was the mid 80’s when Germany was finally rebuilt. I’ve heard other estimates,it wasn’t until the early to mid 90’s when it was rebuilt. Sorry,but the war was over. They lost. I’m not gonna kick somebody when they’re down. You wanna run em through the court system . Fine,but the ones that didn’t get the death penalty,try to give them the chance to get back their self respect back. The whole concept of lockdown,is rehabilitation. We just had an axe to grind. I’ve never looked into it, but I don’t think the Nips were treated as bad as the Germans . I saw something on the history channel one time. Decades after the war was over, this guy that was on board the Nevada at Pearl,met a Jap fighter jock. The Nip told the guy from the Nevada,”I’m sorry I bombed your ship”. The sailor from the Nevada told him ,”it’s okay. We were soldiers fighting a war. We did what we were ordered to do”. It seems like the common soldier has more sense than his higher ups.

                  Comment by Tim — March 22, 2016 @ 9:25 am

              • Edit so replying to myself:
                I meant “jungle fever.”

                Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 10:10 am

              • Jeff wrote: “Oh, I suppose it must gall you. After all, some 70 years ago the Soviets, Brits and US turned Germany out like a common street walker. Just think, all of those Mongols, blacks, Jews, Russians, Brits and mongrel US citizens running rampant through Germany. What a shame. How shameful.”

                Too bad. You had almost succeeded in concealing how full of hatred you are.

                Jeff wrote: “So much for the “Thousand Year Reich.” It lasted twelve years.”

                White America will have lasted barely longer. And its final collapse will be due to its own failures, not after being crushed by dumb juggernauts, brainless golems.

                Comment by hermie — March 24, 2016 @ 8:22 pm

                • So full of hate….

                  That’s funny, coming from you.

                  I don’t hate anyone.

                  Remind me again, didn’t you want ISIS to provide you Jewish scalps to build a minaret?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 24, 2016 @ 8:33 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “I don’t hate anyone.”

                  Except ‘Holocaust deniers’, [neo-] Nazis, KKK guys, racists,, anti-gays, anti-liberals, etc.

                  But hey! That’s politically-correct hate. So that’s OK.

                  If believing you’re not a hater helps sleep peacefully at night, good for you. Self-deception is magic!!

                  Jeff wrote: “Remind me again, didn’t you want ISIS to provide you Jewish scalps to build a minaret?”

                  No, my joke was that I would allow ISIS to build a minaret over my house if they could pay for that with Jewish scalps. I feel you were much less shocked by Tarantulo’s Nazi scalps in Inglorious Basterds. Liberal politically-correct OK hatred once again. Funny…

                  Comment by hermie — March 25, 2016 @ 9:26 am

                • Jeff wrote: “I don’t hate anyone.”

                  “Except ‘Holocaust deniers’, [neo-] Nazis, KKK guys, racists,, anti-gays, anti-liberals, etc.”

                  But, I don’t.
                  Frankly, the saddest one of that group are Holocaust deniers. It’s sad to see grow ups so easily deluded.
                  I don’t particularly like the other groups but hatred is a strong word.
                  What disgusts me is racism, homophobia, etc. It reduces humans to objects, stripping away their humanity in favor of sickening stereotypes that have nothing to do with reality.
                  The people who believe that don’t deserve my hate, they deserve my pity.
                  If by anti-liberals you mean conservatives, that is ridiculous. Conservative ideas and ideologies have their place. After all, who doesn’t want responsible government, fiscal realism, order, etc.?

                  “But hey! That’s politically-correct hate. So that’s OK.”

                  I think you are projecting your world view on me.

                  “If believing you’re not a hater helps sleep peacefully at night, good for you. Self-deception is magic!!”

                  You should know. Anyone like you who is so deluded must sleep well at night.

                  Jeff wrote: “Remind me again, didn’t you want ISIS to provide you Jewish scalps to build a minaret?”

                  “No, my joke was that I would allow ISIS to build a minaret over my house if they could pay for that with Jewish scalps.”

                  Sorry, my mistake.
                  It is odd how you would gleefully butcher every living Jew you could get your hands on doesn’t believe that the Nazis with their power did butcher as many Jews as they did.

                  ” I feel you were much less shocked by Tarantulo’s Nazi scalps in Inglorious Basterds. Liberal politically-correct OK hatred once again. Funny…”

                  Um, Hermie. That was a MOVIE.
                  Let me help you:
                  Reservoir Dogs? Movie.
                  Kill Bill I & II? Movie.
                  Hateful 8? Movie (haven’t seen it but it’s on my list).

                  A few other movies that might have confused you:

                  Star Wars Franchise? It had Storm Troopers but those were movies.

                  Captain America? Villain was a Nazi but still a movie.

                  Let me know if you are confused about any other movies you thought were reality.

                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 25, 2016 @ 10:49 am

                • I wrote a review of the movie “Inglorius Basterds” on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 25, 2016 @ 12:32 pm

                • I liked the movie as well.
                  Anyone who watches Tarrantino understands his rather warped sense of humor.
                  The violence in his movies is so excessive it is cartoonish, except for Reservoir Dogs.
                  Reservoir Dogs reminded me of the gritty detective movies from the 1970’s, except it was much bloodier.
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 25, 2016 @ 12:42 pm

                • edit: ‘helps you sleep’

                  Comment by hermie — March 25, 2016 @ 9:28 am

                • Jeff wrote: “But, I don’t.”

                  if believing this makes you happy…

                  Jeff wrote: “Frankly, the saddest one of that group are Holocaust deniers. It’s sad to see grow ups so easily deluded.”

                  Jeff wrote: “What disgusts me is racism, homophobia, etc. It reduces humans to objects, stripping away their humanity in favor of sickening stereotypes that have nothing to do with reality. The people who believe that don’t deserve my hate, they deserve my pity.”

                  Race-mixing and homosexuality reduce humans to objects, respectively hybridizable cattle and sex toys. They deserve pity and need help.

                  Jeff wrote: “It is odd how you would gleefully butcher every living Jew you could get your hands on doesn’t believe that the Nazis with their power did butcher as many Jews as they did.”

                  Very telling about the fact that history is just politically-biased storytelling for you.

                  Not my fault academic historians so miserably failed to prove their case…

                  Jeff wrote: “Um, Hermie. That was a MOVIE. Let me help you: Reservoir Dogs? Movie. Kill Bill I & II? Movie. Hateful 8? Movie (haven’t seen it but it’s on my list).”

                  Entertaining brainwashing is still brainwashing.

                  Cute, and also a bit sad, you seemingly believe (or pretend to believe) the sole purpose of the Jews controlling mainstream mass media is entertainment and money.

                  Comment by hermie — March 25, 2016 @ 6:57 pm

        • SCHLAGETER. And under Hitler rule any attempt of free speech meant at least internment in Concentration Camp but, nomaly, to be death sentenced. So You missed a very good opportunity to keep silent.

          Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 22, 2016 @ 9:44 am

  9. The Nazis not only didn’t keep records, they also gassed (millions of) people without working gas chambers and then dumped the bodies in enormous pits (many dug BELOW the water table), from which the (millions of) remains miraculously vanished in the ensuing decades.

    It’s a wonder they somehow conquered France, Norway, Denmark, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Poland, Greece, Yugoslavia and most of Russia, Keystone Kops that we can see them to have been.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — March 21, 2016 @ 10:21 am

    • “It’s a wonder they somehow conquered France, Norway, Denmark, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, the Netherlands, Poland, Greece, Yugoslavia and most of Russia, Keystone Kops that we can see them to have been.”

      What is telling is the brief amount of time the Germans held this empire. I think it has to be a record.

      But is it any wonder.
      After all, the allegedly efficient, intelligent Germans forgot to equip their troops for winter when they invaded the USSR.
      It isn’t a secret that Russia gets really cold.

      Maybe the Germans focused to much on killing innocent men, women and children to bother with properly equipping their troops.

      Also, saying that the Germans conquered most of Russia is exaggerating. The USSR then (as Russia is now) was the largest country in the world. The Germans didn’t get close to conquering it.

      Jeff

      Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 10:57 am

      • You wrote that “the allegedly efficient, intelligent Germans forgot to equip their troops for winter when they invaded the USSR.”

        I wrote about this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/why-did-germany-invade-the-soviet-union-in-1941/

        Comment by furtherglory — March 21, 2016 @ 11:24 am

        • What Hitler wanted was access to the Ukraine with its fertile farmland. He believed that access to this area would solve German food problems.

          This is one of the reasons he sent Guderian and his tanks South to Kiev to break the resistance there instead of allowing Bock’s Army Group Center to continue it’s assault on Moscow in July-August of 1941. He did this over the objections of his generals, who thought Moscow should be the priority.

          The original German plans made taking Moscow a priority due to it’s position as a main railway hub, a manufacturing center and a communications center.
          The generals also wanted to break the Soviet army units gathering around Moscow for its defense.

          Undoubtedly Bock’s army needed to rest and refit but ultimately it’s enforced idleness proved disastrous when the Germans attempted Operation Typhoon in October of 1941.

          My own opinion is that the Germans could have taken Moscow by August or September of that year, immediately severely damaging the ability of the Soviets to coordinate their far flung armies and the partisans. In addition, this put Leningrad and Murmansk at risk because the Soviets could not supply or send troops to these locations because the Germans would control the main railway hub to shift supplies and men around.

          There was also a political element to consider. Both the US and British were watching events closely. It was only after Moscow held did the US and British really decide to assist the USSR. Also, while the Japanese were still bent on expanding Southward it is within the realm of possibility that a successful German assault on Moscow would have changed their minds, deciding instead to attack Siberia for its natural resources.

          Also, it is likely that that the Germans would have captured or killed Stalin. There is no reason to believe that Stalin, who decided to stay in Moscow in October, wouldn’t have done the same thing in August or September. The results of Stalin’s death or capture would have been catastrophic. There was no one behind Stalin because he had purged any real or imagined rivals strong enough to step in.

          While there is some evidence that the USSR was planning a preemptive strike, it is unlikely this would have happened in 1941 or 1942. Zhukov did suggest this in May of 1941 but Stalin turned him down. Stalin’s purges had devastated the military and it was in no condition to take offensive action.
          It’s troops were poorly equipped and poorly led. Evidence of this is how easily the Germans defeated Soviet troops in the Summer of 1941 (admittedly with very high casualties). Any offensive by the Soviets would have ended in disaster and would have actually helped the Germans. A counterattack would have focused on destroying the invading Red Army and then attacking Moscow instead of spreading out all over the map. The Germany Army in 1941 was easily the best in the world.

          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 12:00 pm

          • It was only after Moscow held did the US and British really decide to assist the USSR.

            Roosevelt approved $1b (a LOT of money back then) in Lend-Lease aid to the USSR on Oct 30 — some German units advanced to within approx 5 miles of Moscow, the closest they got, in early December.

            Also, it is likely that that the Germans would have captured or killed Stalin.

            Yeah, “likely” — after all, he had nowhere to go, right? — it’s not like the USSR was a big country (“exaggerating”).

            Zhukov did suggest this…Stalin’s purges had devastated the military

            What an irresponsible, incompetent bastard that Zhukov was — suggesting an attack on the ‘best army in the world’ with a ‘devastated military’ — good thing Stalin told him to get lost.

            it’s assault it’s position it’s enforced idleness It’s troops

            You misuse “it’s” in all of these instances.

            But thanks for the blah blah history lesson.

            Like I said: oblivious.

            Comment by eah — March 21, 2016 @ 2:26 pm

            • It was only after Moscow held did the US and British really decide to assist the USSR.

              “Roosevelt approved $1b (a LOT of money back then) in Lend-Lease aid to the USSR on Oct 30 — some German units advanced to within approx 5 miles of Moscow, the closest they got, in early December.”

              I didn’t say they held back aid.
              Pay attention, Nancy.

              Also, it is likely that that the Germans would have captured or killed Stalin.

              “Yeah, “likely” — after all, he had nowhere to go, right? — it’s not like the USSR was a big country (“exaggerating”).”

              Um, Nancy, Stalin decided to stay in Moscow in October of 1941 in spite of Beria urging him to leave. Why would he decide to do any different in say, August? Stalin rightly concluded that Moscow would fall apart without him there, which in fact started to happen when rumors started he’d left.
              Keep up, Nancy, we’re going fast here.

              Zhukov did suggest this…Stalin’s purges had devastated the military

              “”What an irresponsible, incompetent bastard that Zhukov was”

              I think history proves that Zhukov was quite competent.

              “suggesting an attack on the ‘best army in the world’”

              Are you saying that the German army at that time wasn’t the best army in the world, Nancy? Careful now, Schlageter will be vexed with you.

              “with a ‘devastated military’ — good thing Stalin told him to get lost.”

              Well, I’d say Stalin was right, wouldn’t you? After all, the Germans beat the ever loving snot out of the Red Army in the Summer of 1941.

              it’s assault it’s position it’s enforced idleness It’s troops

              “You misuse “it’s” in all of these instances.”

              Thanks, granny grammar.
              Did I mention I don’t give a fuck about you lecturing me?

              “But thanks for the blah blah history lesson.”

              Your welcome, Nancy.
              Anytime.

              You can put that in your little pink diary.

              “Like I said: oblivious.”

              Like I said, you’re opinion of me or anything I write is:
              WORTHLESS.

              You have a nice day, Nancy.

              Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 2:57 pm

              • Your welcome, Nancy.

                If you are going to call me Nancy, at least phrase it correctly: you’re welcome — not “your”.

                You fucking moron.

                Comment by eah — March 21, 2016 @ 3:27 pm

                • “If you are going to call me Nancy,”

                  I could call you Mary or Susan.

                  YOUR preference.

                  “at least phrase it correctly: you’re welcome — not “your”.”

                  Oh, hey, I’m sorry. I know YOUR OCD causes problems when confronted with pronunciation, grammar, spelling errors.
                  I’ll try and be more aware when I reply to one of YOUR comments.

                  “You fucking moron.”

                  Why are you so huffy today, Nancy?

                  I suggest a warm bath, a nice cup of tea and YOUR favorite Taylor Swift songs. That should settle you down.

                  Best wishes,
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 4:06 pm

                • Actually I think he picked that up from me. If someone irritates me enough,I address them using a girls name. So this hammerheads not being to original. That other jag off on here that’s in love with his racial slurs, is almost worth a quick grin. Like I said,I’m not on either side here. I’m just trying to figure out what’s going on with this whole mess. Like the saying goes,”in a war,truth is the first thing to fall on the field”. I know somebody that’s with the Mississippi White Knights ( me and him served in country together ). I can send that lil bitch to him,so the rest of us can actually learn something.

                  Comment by Tim — March 21, 2016 @ 6:38 pm

                • Actually, Tim, I’ve repeatedly called eah girly names because he/she often acts like a whiny bitch.

                  So, I didn’t get that from you.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 6:38 am

                • I read it the wrong way. I thought he was calling you a girls name. I do it when someone annoys the hell outta me . Like that guy schlong and his racial slurs.

                  Comment by Tim — March 22, 2016 @ 8:02 am

              • you’re opinion

                Your — not “you’re” — you pathetic little cretin.

                Comment by eah — March 21, 2016 @ 3:34 pm

                • “Your — not “you’re” — you pathetic little cretin.”

                  Is YOUR OCD eating YOUR face off right now, Nancy?

                  Aaaaaawwww.

                  Just remember, bath, tea, Taylor Swift. Maybe a diaper change.

                  That should even things out for you.

                  YOUR pal,
                  Jeff

                  Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 4:11 pm

            • TO ALL COMMENTATORS HERE. USA entered WWII only after the Japanees atack against Pearl Habour at Decembre 1941 and Hitler and vassals declared war against USA only a few day later when still hopefull to conquer Moscow.

              Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — March 22, 2016 @ 9:51 am

              • Hitler made an enormous blunder with the declaration of war against the US, Wolf. His treaty with Japan did not require such a declaration and the Japanese attack forced the US to withdraw their naval forces from the Atlantic to counter that threat.
                Jeff

                Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 10:17 am

                • perhaps, perhaps not. The US was already in a de facto state of war with Germany prior to Germany’s declaration of war. Lend-Lease, convoy escorts supplying Britain with arms, the hypocritical Atlantic Charter, etc already showed America’s stance towards Germany would inevitably lead to an all out shooting war. The USS Reuben James incident is an example.

                  As far as the Soviet “blunder”, I think its also relevant to note the strong likelihood that the USSR was poised to attack Germany that summer, and the Germans didn’t have much of a choice but to pre-emptively strike, whether they had firm proof or not.

                  Comment by Schlageter — March 22, 2016 @ 1:19 pm

      • Listen to Napoleon over here. Jeff, have you ever served yourself? Know what it’s like to carry a rifle? You’d probably crap your pants , yet you act like you know something.

        No, they didn’t forget, they were planning on a shorter war. They misjudged, badly. Not the fault of the Landsers who were not “killing innocents”, they were fighting a determined and fanatical enemy who also did not abide by any of the rules of warfare.

        Comment by Schlageter — March 21, 2016 @ 2:03 pm

        • “Listen to Napoleon over here. Jeff, have you ever served yourself? Know what it’s like to carry a rifle? You’d probably crap your pants , yet you act like you know something.”

          Nope, never have.
          But, I can read. Can you?
          Is anything I’ve said wrong?

          “No, they didn’t forget, they were planning on a shorter war.”

          You mean, the famed German efficiency FAILED? 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
          So, as the offensive began to falter, no one thought to adjust their supply situation?
          NO!!! Say it isn’t so!!!!!!!!!!!

          “They misjudged, badly.”

          “Misjudged” doesn’t really cover it. We are talking about a massive fuck up of historical proportion.

          “Not the fault of the Landsers who were not “killing innocents”, they were fighting a determined and fanatical enemy who also did not abide by any of the rules of warfare.”

          If you shoot unarmed men, women and children that’s not really fighting a determined enemy. That’s called “murder.”

          Your pal,
          Jeff

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 21, 2016 @ 2:18 pm

        • “perhaps, perhaps not. The US was already in a de facto state of war with Germany prior to Germany’s declaration of war. Lend-Lease, convoy escorts supplying Britain with arms, the hypocritical Atlantic Charter, etc already showed America’s stance towards Germany would inevitably lead to an all out shooting war. The USS Reuben James incident is an example.”

          Yes, but the attack on Pearl Harbor diverted US attention to the Pacific. Roosevelt did not have the necessary votes to get a declaration of war against Germany. Hitler bailed Roosevelt out by declaring war on the US at the absolute worst time with the Soviet counterattack in front of Moscow.
          Roosevelt absolutely wanted war with Germany because he perceived Hitler to be the bigger threat. He never managed to turn US public opinion enough to get the open declaration of war.

          “As far as the Soviet “blunder”, I think its also relevant to note the strong likelihood that the USSR was poised to attack Germany that summer, and the Germans didn’t have much of a choice but to pre-emptively strike, whether they had firm proof or not.”

          The problem with that is that Stalin went out of his way to make sure that the German-Soviet Trade Agreement was held to the letter of the law. He actively promoted friendship between both countries.
          I think Stalin realized that the USSR was not ready for war. I think he considered it a future proposition.
          As far as the Germans, the German ambassador repeatedly reassured Hitler of the Soviet’s peaceful intentions.

          Comment by Jeff K. — March 22, 2016 @ 8:51 pm

  10. The reporter’s name is Susan Schwartz — I have a feeling she was not very skeptical as she was told this story.

    Ivry recalled in testimony about her Holocaust experience for the University of Southern California Shoah Foundation

    That explains a lot.

    Comment by eah — March 21, 2016 @ 9:29 am

    • Exactly. The media, largely made up of yids and cucks, is too emotionally involved (and typically too ignorant) to cover any aspect of the Second World War objectively

      Comment by Schlageter — March 21, 2016 @ 10:33 am


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