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April 8, 2016

Terezin (also known by its German name, Theresienstadt)

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , , , , — furtherglory @ 9:02 am
My photo of the Gazebo at Theresienstadt

My photo of the Gazebo at Terezin, formerly known as Theresienstadt

The two photos below show the Magdeburg barracks and the inner court yard of the building. Wolf Murmelstein, a former inmate at Theresienstadt says that the Gazebo, shown above, was not accessible to the inmates.

MagdeburgRear

MagdeburgCourtyard

The title of my blog post today comes from a line in a news article which you can read it full at http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/04/holocaust-survivor-recalls-brundibar-a-childrens-opera/?_r=0

The following quote is from the news article, cited above:

Dagmar Lieblova was 14 in 1943, when she sang in the children’s opera “Brundibar” at the Terezin [Theresienstadt] concentration camp near Prague. The performance was part of a Nazi effort to present the camp as a model ghetto rather than a transit point to Auschwitz and the gas chambers.

What am I complaining about now, you ask.

I don’t like the fact that German names for Holocaust locations are now being changed to Jewish or Polish names.  The ghetto, formerly known as Theresienstadt, is now called Terezin.  The town, formerly known as Auschwitz, is now called by the Polish name Oświęcim.

The following quote is from the news article, cited above:

The composer of “Brundibar,” Hans Krasa, died at Auschwitz, alongside most of those who performed it in Terezin (also known by its German name, Theresienstadt). Ms. Lieblova lost her parents and sister in Auschwitz, but she was spared when she was sent to Hamburg to help clear the ruins of the city.

So it seems that the Allied bombing of the city of Hamburg did save some of the Jews at Auschwitz because the Germans needed workers to clear the rubble in their cities. The Nazis allegedly stopped gassing all the prisoners at Auschwitz, saving a few, because they needed workers.

You can read more about Theresienstadt on my website here:

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/CzechRepublic/Theresienstadt/TheresienstadtGhetto/GhettoTour/index.html

The following quote is from my scrapbookpages.com website:

Every concentration camp had its orchestra, made up of inmate musicians, and concerts were staged even in the worst camp of all, the one at Birkenau, the Auschwitz II camp. Typically, the camp orchestra would play classical music as the prisoners marched off the the factories to work and even as they marched to their deaths in the gas chamber. During the week of cultural events [at Theresienstadt] in June 1944, on the occasion of the Red Cross visit, there were performances of Brundibar in the Magdeburg building.

 

 

 

148 Comments »

  1. FURTHERGLORY. Once again and now for ever. I always said that at Theresienstadt the Eichmann clique starte works to adaprt a closed room inside the wall to a Gas Chamber, wich, as by SS Cap. Heinrich Joecke Comander of Little Forress, stat.e in Court had been aimed to kill all the political prisoniers whe had been holding. For our fate a mass execution place had been planned. The Elder Murmelstein informed the Comander Rahm about the allarm circulating. The Comander left suddenly for Prague retorning after three days with the order to stop all the allarming works. The only one who could give that order had been SS High Comander and Governor of Bohemia Moravia General Karl Hermann Frank who simply tried to reach a personal deal with Allied Comands using the Ghetto with many famous inmates.
    At Theresienstadt the Zyklon B gas stood under strict SS custody and from time to time only small quantities for desinfection purposes had been handed out.
    So made certain in Court.
    Clear at last, once and for ever?

    Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 12, 2016 @ 7:20 am

    • You wrote: “… at Theresienstadt the Eichmann clique starte works to adaprt a closed room inside the wall to a Gas Chamber,”

      Once again, I have to disagree. Why gas all these prominent prisoners at the very end of the war?

      I wrote about the alleged Theresienstadt gas chamber at

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/gas-chamber-at-theresienstadt/

      Comment by furtherglory — April 12, 2016 @ 7:35 am

      • FURTHERGLORY. You do not consider that Eichmann had been driven by a great hatred and deep fanatism. So, before the final defeat, all Jews had to be exterminated, as hold by his fuehrer. As the Auschwitz Gas Chambers had not been available any more so in Jannurary 1945 he ordered to start works at Theresienstadt, the last existing Ghetto. But Himmler and other SS generals believed in the possibiliity to “offer their service” to Aglo-American Governments as usefull in a war against URSS and so considered the last surviving Jews at Theresienstadt usefull for their attempt to reach such a deal. More detais in the book DER SCHWARZE ORDEN by the German researcher Heinz HOEHNE.

        Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 12, 2016 @ 8:37 am

          • FURTHERGLORY. You can in no way compare the statements of Ms Inge Auerbacher with those of Benjamin Murmelsttein who had been the last Elder of Theresienstadt. Clearly Lanzmann prefered to interview Murmelstein, in 1976 the last surviving Jewish leading person of the Shoah years. You did not state any reason why Lanzmann should contact Ms Inge Auerbacher who had been a child when in Theresienstadt. I too had been a child where staying there but … the son of the last Elder. Nor even the comunist propaganda stated what Ms Auerbacher said. Whar I have writen in my coments had been made certain in proper Court, files available for researchers.

            Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 12, 2016 @ 9:19 am

        • deep fanatism

          Wolf, perhaps you ought to, on occasion, consider your own ‘fanaticism’ — you are fanatical in that you are 100% ready to believe any and every claim about the Germans and how evil they were.

          made certain in proper Court

          Yes, well, Demjanjuk was also convicted in a “proper Court” — then his conviction was overturned — which I guess means the “proper Court” was actually not so “proper”, ie full of lying (or mistaken, if you want to be charitable) “eyewitnesses”.

          I’m afraid these “proper Court” proceedings are all tainted, at the least by the political atmosphere (absolutely so in any country where ‘Holocaust denial’ is a crime), as well as by the obvious reality that many of the “eyewitnesses” are not telling the truth — because due to the aforementioned political atmosphere they know whatever they say will be believed, as long as it fits to the conventional ‘Holocaust’ story.

          Comment by eah — April 13, 2016 @ 3:17 am

          • eah. 1 Demjanuk. In Israel the first level sentenced him but the High Court acquitted him; a quite rightfulll system. 2. Then the Germans tried him again but I do not understand their accusations and sentenced him. I noted however the he stated. AS TAKEN PRISONIER THE GERMAS OFFERED THE CHOICE, ENLIST IN THE AUXILIARY UNIT OR STARVING. Interesting to know how the Nazis got normal persons as their acomplices. 2. In Czechoslowakia the People Courts had been presided by carrier magistrates and State Attorneys and Investigating Magistrates too had been career magistrates of the pre-war school. The People Court of Litomerice which dealt with the Theresienstadt matter had also a great number of accusations found to be baseless.
            In every court in the world many accusations are driven by histery and perscution mania, like in the Murmelstein case. But the Litomerice Investigating Magistrate could evaluated them finding them baseless; the State Attorney had not even submitted the request for a trial. Note that the Comunists fueled a campaign against Murmelstein for their political reasons and for a rivalry of the Theresienstadt time.
            Just in USA: Look at the many death sentences ruled by Courts driven by racial or social prejudices, sentences turned to be wrong after years while the defendant had been alreay murdered or stood in the Death Sector. Jurrors are obviously open to prejudices and hardly able to check facts.
            I am only rebuking statements due to fanatical anti Semite Negationism and deep ignorance of the historical background.
            Clear at last?

            Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 13, 2016 @ 4:14 am

          • the first level sentenced

            Yes, but the point is it was a “proper Court” — and the same thing can happen in any “proper Court”, ‘low’ or ‘high’, due to lying (or mistaken) “eyewitnesses” — which in most ‘Holocaust’ trials is all the evidence there is — there is no other kind of evidence.

            death sentences ruled by Courts driven by racial or social prejudices

            Wolf, I explicitly refuted this statement before — of course you just ignored that, and here you make the same false claim again — that is another part of your ‘fanaticism’: you simply ignore evidence that is contrary to what you want to believe.

            fanatical anti Semite Negationism and deep ignorance

            I am not a ‘fanatical, anti-Semitic negationist’, nor am I ‘deeply ignorant’.

            Comment by eah — April 13, 2016 @ 4:29 am

            • eah. In my historical researches I noted more and more a GENERAL ignorance in USA about the background of history, geography and demography of Europe. And then I noted that so in USA as in UK no one consider the deep rooted fanatism of Nazi racism, anti Semitism and idea to rule over all other peoples of Europe. As final defeat had been already clear even to Hitler he, in his deep fanatism, ordered the destruction of plants and utilities still not destructed by bombs. Eichmann, drive by the same fantism, wanted to exterminate as many Jews as he could.
              So, among friends, I note the same great ignorance in certain Jewish Establishment too. So my Family had been persecuted by the Nazis and the Comunists and defeamed by certain Establishment ineffective in times my Father – like other Jewish leaders in Europe – had to face Eichmann and his gamg. The way USHM presents the Lanzmann film angered me and I think how to rebuke their ignorance.
              Clear at last?

              Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 13, 2016 @ 10:51 am

    • Sehr geehrter Herr Murmelstein,

      I am sure that your father did a good job in Theresienstadt and before. However I know some of the kids who were at Theresienstadt when you were there but their memory is at least a bit different from yours. Never mind. This is the way memory works.

      Comment by dr kim — April 12, 2016 @ 9:59 am

      • kim. Was ich hier schrieb ist gerichtlich geklaert und mein Vater hat die Sachen viel besser in Erinnerung gehabt. What I wrote here had been made certain by proper court and my Father remembered things much better. Und damit Schluss. And now discussion closed.

        Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 12, 2016 @ 11:02 am

        • FURTHERGLORY, KIM, other comentators. I am considered as a SPECIAL CHILD SURVIVOR due to the position of my Father and had been interviewed by the SPIELBERG FOUNDATION, on behalf ot the FORTUNATE ARCHIF of Yale University, and by German researchers who wanted to learn what my Father had told me about events occured within the forty years we could speak.
          So I could not care less about Ms Auerbacher and other persons who in no way stood in a position to know the things.
          It is against any proper historic method when comparing what said by person who had been directily involved and what said by a bystander in no way in position to know really all the things and backgrounds,

          Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 12, 2016 @ 12:19 pm

          • I say,”any child” that survived that is a “special” child survivor.

            Comment by Tim — April 12, 2016 @ 10:36 pm

            • Cry Me a River please ….Wolf was just a little kid at the time he survived a Work Camp setting what is the big deal you make it sound like this man survived some unusual circumstances. Their are kids today that suffer much more than Wolf ever did he survived…. he’s here to talk about it. Don’t fall for his sob story of how much he suffered.
              If anyone suffered it was the Germans the Allies bombed into nonexistence for defending their country against a communist force that was morally and sexually depraved they tried to turn Germany into the same hell hole as their country.
              Hitler was the only sane person that wouldn’t allow the Communist to take over the world if anything there should be a holiday to him for what he tried to do and stopping the Communist Jewish Menace.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — April 12, 2016 @ 10:43 pm

              • I’m still trying to figure out why nothing was ever said to the ruskies and their actions in Berlin . In addition to raping women,how many pedophile ruskies were there,that raped the little children in Berlin . Ruskies are just sick bastards. From where I stand, the Ruskies are the “subhumans”. Clearly what the red bastards did was acceptable. Kinda seems like some of the people we drug into court,were the wrong people. Should’ve had the reds in their place. You think we could find some Reds that are still living and put them on trial ? Everybody is so concerned about justice,so let’s start dragging the Reds into court. While we’re at it,make Russia start forking over some cash to any surviving Berliners that suffered at the hands of the Red savages.

                Comment by Tim — April 12, 2016 @ 11:16 pm

                • TIM, JRIZOLI. You both as many other ought to realize that the SUICIDE OF EUROPE – WWI and WWII with all its tragedies – occured because for decades before foolish intellectuals enjoyed free speech for their hatred spraying philosophy, poetry, theories, etc. Once WWI started and reached a tragical point the wises man in Europe – Pope Benedict XV – started action to broker a reasonable peace in order to stop that mass slaughter.
                  This wise action could not reach any result because of the foolish USA foreign policy of President Willson who entered the war stating high ideal about selfdetermination of little nations and so on. But I think that this foolish decision had been in interest of the WASP High Finance wich granted heavy loans to UK and France, mainly Morgan.
                  As Willson entered the war so in Russia,the second century fool Kerenski thought to have the duty to stay with the Entant powers and go on with the war without caring about the conditions of Russian people. The German troops advanced and then the Bolshevists could rise on power and … signed suddenly a peace deal.
                  Then, the Versailles Treaty . rather Dictate – forced by Willson and the third century fool Clemencau had been the base of all the econonical, social and national problems of Central and East Europe wich brought to WWII; background of the Holocaust, the bombing first on England and than on Germany and its allies. And to the Greater Comunist Power in the World.
                  As USA State Department seems a lunatic asylum the foolish foreign policy leads to other wars – from Iraq to Afganistan to Libya, to Sirya, etc.

                  Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 13, 2016 @ 3:34 am

                • You don’t hear anything about the American revenge on the Germans. Read about the revenge bombing of Germany on Wikipedia:
                  http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Germany_during_World_War_II

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 13, 2016 @ 3:41 am

              • Hey Jimbo. Is that Wolfman? If it is,I can’t understand anything he’s saying

                Comment by Tim — April 12, 2016 @ 11:19 pm

                • Actually it’s Wolfs dad I couldn’t read it that well on my phone but I went over it later and it was his dad.
                  Couldn’t understand it either cuz it was in German.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — April 12, 2016 @ 11:21 pm

              • The man in the video is Benjamin Mermelstein.

                Comment by furtherglory — April 13, 2016 @ 3:08 am

                • FURTHERGLORY. The right spelling is BENJAMIN MURMELSTEIN. I had had trouble even with David Irving about such a misspelling. Indeed, I do not want any confusion with that Mermelstein mentioned some times on this blog site.

                  Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 13, 2016 @ 3:12 am

              • jrizoli. It is my Father. The film is part of a 18 – eighteen – hour long interview. Thanks for the information and the link, I will reade and rebuke the coment of USHM and will send copy to this site.

                Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 13, 2016 @ 4:23 am

                • You wrote: ” will reade and rebuke the coment of USHM”

                  The US Holocaust Memorial Museum will not take kindly to this. There are many mistakes and errors in what is shown in this museum. They couldn’t care less about what you say.
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/us-holocaust-memorial-museum/

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 13, 2016 @ 5:36 am

                • I just read this on the internet. Lemmy (frontman for the band Motörhead) was being investigated by German government for wearing an SS officers hat. He collects nazi memorabilia from WW2. Lemmy lived in L A so I don’t think he gave a shit about the Germans investigating him or not. So now you not only go to the Pen for holo denial,but you can go if you possess nazi collectables too?

                  Comment by Tim — April 14, 2016 @ 8:31 am

                • FURTHERGLORY, jrizoli. As long as I note until now USHM has a contact tool which makes it difficult to mail a right rebuke of their statements. At any rate I will find out the right way to clear that IN THOSE TIME OF DARKNESS A JEWISH LEADER CERTAINLY DID NOT WORK WITH THE NAZIS BUT HAD TO FACE THEM AND THEN HAD BEEN UPRESSED MORE AND MORE UNTIL THE MARTYRDOM. BENJAMIN MURMELSTEIN IN 1976 HAD BEEN THE LAST STILL ALIVE OF THE VERY FEW JEWISH LEADERS WHO SURVIVED 1945.
                  At any rate, I will try to reply in a form making possible to send copies to You and, perhaps, to other sides.
                  Clearly USHM is deeply involved in the SHOAH BUSINESS first TEAR PRESSING Division.

                  Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 14, 2016 @ 8:52 am

                • Go to this web page to contact the USHMM: https://www.ushmm.org/online/form/contact-the-museum/input

                  Tell them who you are and they will be very pleased to read anything that you want to write. They will instantly recognize your last name.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 14, 2016 @ 10:01 am

                • FURTHERGLORY. Thanks for the advise. I already replied but their contact tool does not make possible to have a copy to share with friends. I think they not be very pleased with my comment. Clearly, I could not care less about their anger. You weekend will be certainly nice than mine. Best.

                  Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 15, 2016 @ 9:30 am

                • For the record…..
                  There is no German official or unofficial record of anyone being “gassed to death.” There are also no German records or “list” of “six million” or anything remotely close to that of people killed by the Germans, or Nazis. Do you seriously contend that any of your relatives were “gassed-to-death?” I challenge you to put up some serious evidence for such an outrageous claim.
                  Fritz Berg…..Nazigassings.com

                  Amen!

                  Jim Rizoli
                  CCFIILE.COM
                  VHO.ORG
                  IHR.ORG

                  Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 11:37 am

    • the Eichmann clique starte works to adaprt a closed room inside the wall…in Jannurary 1945 he ordered to start works at Theresienstadt

      Think about it this way Wolf: by Jan 1945, the war was hopelessly lost (obvious since mid-1943) — stories about Nazis murdering/exterminating Jews had been circulating for a while — the Allies had announced their intention to hold Germans accountable for war and other crimes (‘against humanity’) — maltreatment/murder of Jews was of course included — considering this climate, you are asking us to believe that in Jan 1945 the Germans were prepared to install a gas chamber at Theresienstadt in order to continue killing Jews — ie they were such fanatical Jew-killers they wanted to continue killing Jews, no matter what, ie even at the risk of their own lives later — did they expect some miraculous turnaround in Germany’s military fortunes? — did they expect this crime would not be discovered? — did they expect to escape or in some other way get away with it? — did they expect a lenient sentence if captured? — were they planning to kill themselves?

      Your claim makes no sense — as I said before: no fair-minded, rational person can believe such claims.

      Comment by eah — April 13, 2016 @ 2:04 am

      • eah. You do not consider the fanatism of Eichmann and many of his team. There had been also other Nazis who thought that Jews should not survive the final defeat of their murder regime. The same thought had had the Dachau Comander who tried to build a Gas Chamber – those of Auschwitz not available any more – in order to slaughter the political prisoniers. Besides, Hitler ordered the destruction of plants and utilities; Speer partly disobbeyed this foolish instruction.
        You in USA and UK have no right idea on what a fanatism Nazism had been based.

        Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 13, 2016 @ 3:08 am

      • That makes sense. Why are you gonna start construction on another facility,when your ass is going down in flames. I would think a lot of people in the German military machine would have the ,”each man for himself ” attitude. Himmler probably started thinking about surrender around that time. Why would he worry about another prison for gassing

        Comment by Tim — April 13, 2016 @ 7:56 am

        • TIM. At that time there had been those who thought how to change hat and those who, like Eichmann or Joecje, wanted to exterminate as mabt Jews and political prisomiers.

          Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 14, 2016 @ 12:16 am

  2. I commented here and twic S/W failed to register text.

    Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 10, 2016 @ 11:44 pm

    • Your comments are going into the Spam file, where I have to approve them before they go onto my blog. There are many reasons that wordpress, the software that I use for my blog, designates some comments as Spam. The word “Spam” is both a noun and a verb.

      Here is the meaning of the word “spam”:

      1.
      irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients.
      unwanted or intrusive advertising on the Internet.
      “an autogenerated spam website”
      2.
      trademark
      a canned meat product made mainly from ham.

      verb
      verb: spam; 3rd person present: spams; past tense: spammed; past participle: spammed; gerund or present participle: spamming

      1.
      send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet.

      Origin
      1930s: apparently from sp(iced h)am .
      ======
      Your comments are going into the spam folder because you write frequent comments, which have very little content related to the subject upon which you are commenting.

      Another reason is the frequency of your comments. Others write frequent comments on my blog, but their comments do not repeat the same ideas over and over.

      I am usually up by 5 o’clock in the morning (California time) so your comments go up around that time.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2016 @ 6:22 am

    • You are commenting too often, and saying the same thing over and over. That is why your commemnt did not go up until I put it up manually.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2016 @ 6:36 am

  3. ADL and the Soros mob are working day and night to create more show trials . Its a shame that their stars die before they can come on stage ! A show trial scheduled for later this year is of a 93 year old lady who was in the telephone exchange at Auschwitz . They are really scraping the barrel . if only they could have a legal precedent to go for Hitler youth members as accessories.

    Comment by peter — April 10, 2016 @ 12:26 pm

    • a 93 year old lady who was in the telephone exchange at Auschwitz

      The political, media, and judicial culture in Germany is so degenerate that I am no longer very confident that the BGH will put a stop to these absurd convictions for Beihilfe zum Mord with no evidence. But there are Germans who see what their country has become:

      Absurdistan Deutschland

      Seit Demjanjuk muss die Staatsanwaltschaft keine individuelle Schuld an einem bestimmten Verbrechen nachweisen, es reicht der Nachweis irgendwie ein Teil einer Maschinerie gewesen zu sein, die gemordet hat…Die jetzt 91 Jährige Frau war damals 18 Jahre alt und als Funker tätig…Nach deutscher Rechtsauffassung damit Mitschuldig an Tode von 260.000 Juden…Mit dieser Rechtsauffassung kann man jeden Deutschen der damal gelebt hat heute wegen beihilfe zum Massenmord zur Verantwortung ziehen. Denn alleine mit seiner tägichen Arbeit hat er ja ein Regime gestützt welches…

      Since the Demjanjuk case the prosecution need not demonstrate the guilt of the accused individual, it is enough to show they were somehow a part of the ‘machine’ that committed murder…the now 91 y/o Frau was 18 y/o at the time, and a radio operator (at Auschwitz)…Per (recent) German legal precedent, she is therefore (co-)responsible for the deaths of 260k Jews…Using this legal precedent, every German who was alive and working at that time could be charged with accessory to murder, since their daily work supported the (Nazi) regime…

      Comment by eah — April 10, 2016 @ 1:25 pm

    • Don’t give them any ideas about hitler youth. I’m guessing the gal your talking about was a telephone operator at the camp. Don’t make good sense to try her. That would be like putting Al Capones bookkeeper on trial,as an accessory to all the murders that Al Capone ordered.

      Comment by Tim — April 10, 2016 @ 5:48 pm

    • telephone exchange, telephone operator

      In the link I gave (‘Absurdistan’) she is called a “Funker” — funken is the German verb for broadcast, or to send by radio — (actually as a female the strictly correct noun would be Funkerin):

      Anklage gegen SS-Funkerin: Die Akte Helma M.

      Die Generalstaatsanwaltschaft hat im September Klage gegen eine 92-jährige Helma M. aus Neumünster eingereicht – wegen Beihilfe zum Mord in mehr als 260.000 Fällen. Sie war Funkerin in der Kommandantur des Lagers von April bis Juli 1944.

      She was a radio operator — “Funkerin” — in Auschwitz HQ, Apr-Jul 1944 — talk about bad luck: roughly the time period when hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were allegedly murdered.

      Funny thing: the British broke the German radio code (Enigma) — yet no encoded intercepts from Auschwitz that even hint at mass murder have ever been made public — so I guess we are supposed to believe the Germans regarded military operations that would determine the outcome of the war and the future of the Reich as less sensitive than Lagerberichte from Auschwhitz.

      Comment by eah — April 11, 2016 @ 12:36 am

      • I know German justice is notoriously corrupt , and in 2016 seems to be worse than that administered by Roland Freisler at the Volksgerichthof. At least he gave the opportunity for the defendant to speak . I would suggest that the old lady who worked in the telephone/ radio station ask the judge to look at all the Auschwitz radio decrypts held at the London record office and see if they can find any mentions of murder, gas chambers etc,.

        Comment by peter — April 11, 2016 @ 7:14 am

  4. Getting worldwide publicity this week the death of Ernest Tremmel. He was to be tried in two weeks before a youth court in Germany…at the age of 93 for being an accessory in the murder of a thousand un named individuals. He was ” under age ” at the time of his alleged crimes however it was important for the Soros/ ADL mob as it would establish a new precedent as members of the Hitler Youth could then be co indicted and the trials could go on for another twenty years. So much money spent and now all for nothing…. they must be so disappointed.
    http://www.bild.de/news/inland/prozess/gegen-frueheren-ss-mann-41856780.bild.html

    Comment by peter — April 10, 2016 @ 8:25 am

    • The news article includes a photo of children who were Auschwitz-Birkenau survivors.
      The caption on the photo says
      “In Auschwitz wurden über eine Mio. Menschen ermordet”
      In English, I think that this statement says “Over one million people were murdered.”

      The photo shows children who were under the age of 15, who were allegedly killed. I have complained many times about the incorrect use of photos. This photo DISPROVES the Holocaust. The children should have been killed according to the True Believer side of the story.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2016 @ 8:52 am

      • The Bild , like every other newspaper in Germany today is an organ of cultural Marxism. Unfortunately 99 % of modern Germans are so indoctrinated from an early age that they can not see the obvious lies.

        Comment by peter — April 10, 2016 @ 9:04 am

        • peter. BILD belongs to the SPRINGER GROUP targeted by Marxist propaganda, a fact yiou certainly know.

          Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 10, 2016 @ 9:53 am

          • Die Bild along with its more cerebral Die Welt were set up in 1946 after having obtained a license from the US occupying forces. Their outlook was summarised by their owner as ;
            To uphold liberty and law in Germany, a country belonging to the Western family of nations, and to further the unification of Europe.
            To promote reconciliation of Jews and Germans and support the vital rights of the State of Israel.
            To support the Transatlantic Alliance, and solidarity with the United States of America in the common values of free nations.
            They are both culturally Marxist propaganda sheets promoting the extermination of the German people and nation.

            Comment by peter — April 10, 2016 @ 11:51 am

            • That sounds like some heavy duty ass kissing.

              Comment by Tim — April 10, 2016 @ 5:44 pm

        • Der Spiegel has been absolutely tabloid-ish with its disgusting campaign to smear Frauke Petry and the AfD.

          ‘Report from inside a dangerous party.’

          Comment by eah — April 10, 2016 @ 12:39 pm

      • The behavior of Bild during the Flüchtlingskrise has been especially bad.

        Unfortunately 99 % of modern Germans are so indoctrinated from an early age that they can not see the obvious lies.

        It’s pointless to speak to even the more educated ones — Germany and Europe will suffer their fate together.

        Comment by eah — April 10, 2016 @ 10:09 am

      • 6 million. 4 million. 1.5 million. Now they say,”over one million killed”. Make up my mind,please. I always say,I’m gonna ignore the numbers,because they just add more obfuscation to the mix. This shits confusing enough as it is.

        Comment by Tim — April 10, 2016 @ 5:37 pm

        • TIM. To tjhose killed at Auschwitz one ought to add the victims of Sobinor, Treblinka, Majdanek, Chelmo and other Camps, The consider the victims of the Mass Executions – BABY JAR and others – and those of starvation and deseases in the overcrowded Ghettoes. Than add to those registred as members of a Jewish Comunity the persons having only Jewish ancestry. but considered of Jewish race the total number of victims will be more than 6.000.000 six milion. In the years from 1933 to 1941 not more than about 500.000 – five hundred thousand – Jews managed to reach safe heaven by emigration. Those are facts while the Negationists are quoting only anti Semite comon places.
          In USA there had been then aind is now a great ignorance of European history, geograohy and demography so Negationis has success there.

          Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 12, 2016 @ 1:10 am

          • What’s ,”BABY JAR”?

            Comment by Tim — April 12, 2016 @ 10:26 pm

            • There were no mass murders at any of those camps If there were there would be evidence of the remains.
              usually a murder scene with this many people would have thousands upon yhousands of remains but there were no remains to speak of.
              Just another lie to take the heat off the allies from all the things they were doing.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — April 12, 2016 @ 10:31 pm

              • jrizoli. The are all aroung the so called perfects crimes where the murder manages to leave nor the corpse of the victim or other remains. The MASS MURDER in the Death Camps had been done without leaving remains.. The chain had been – GAS CHAMBERS, CREMATORIA, SPRAYING OF ASHES. – working following the Taylor..Ford scheme. A lot of people every one perfornning a small part and so getting involved in the crime as comanded by the Fuehrer and his close aides. German organiation.
                Not so the will of the Nazis to leave no remains but that of the complete exterminations of Jews.

                Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 15, 2016 @ 7:00 am

                • You wrote: “The chain had been – GAS CHAMBERS, CREMATORIA, SPRAYING OF ASHES. – working following the Taylor..Ford scheme.”

                  What was the “Taylor…Ford scheme”?

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 15, 2016 @ 7:34 am

              • FURTHERGLORY. When refering to Taylor i mean an USA engineer who in last decade of century XIX developped the basic rules of modern industrial production which had been well applied by automaker Ford.

                Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 19, 2016 @ 12:53 am

            • TIM. Babt Yar near Kiev – in Ucraine – had been place of mass shooting of about 30.000 – thirty thousand – Jews in 1941 just after the Nazis had occupied Ucraine.

              Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 15, 2016 @ 6:49 am

              • Sound like a another Katyn massacre….LOL
                Maybe they should blame the Russians, they seem the best ones who do things like this.
                Should be easy to prove with the bullets and forensics.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 9:48 am

                • I’m willing to somewhat accept that. Ruskies think they can get away with anything. Another one of their Migs,buzzed the USS Donald Cook that was in the Baltic on exercises. They love to start shit and dare anyone to call them down on it. We should’ve wasted them a long time ago.

                  Comment by Tim — April 15, 2016 @ 12:59 pm

                • If anything….. the Jews should be pissed at the Russians….for all the lies a coverups they did in the camps.
                  The killed thousands upon thousands and blamed it on the Germans….Nice people to be friends with wouldn’t you say?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 1:06 pm

                • That’s why I can’t figure out why no one came down on Stalin. Homicidal maniac. Hell he murdered his own wife. He’s the one that had head problems. I’m not trying to sound cold here,but I’m glad General Patton didn’t live. He would’ve been one pissed individual to see what the Soviets got away with.

                  Comment by Tim — April 15, 2016 @ 1:55 pm

                • Tim….. just to let you know General Patton was murdered and the reason why he was murdered he probably had his own ideas on whst do with the Russians and the people higher than him didn’t agree with him that’s why they had to get rid of him.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 2:02 pm

                • I’ve always believed that . Hell the mans own granddaughter thinks he was murdered. That “accident”,was just a bit too hinky for me to buy into.

                  Comment by Tim — April 15, 2016 @ 2:22 pm

                • Good article..
                  http://www.rense.com/general85/pats.htm

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 2:26 pm

                • I wrote about General Patton on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/10/11/general-patton-and-his-attitude-toward-the-jews/

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 15, 2016 @ 3:17 pm

                • The ACJL said ,”the Obama administration is dangerously dabbling with abandoning Israel “. Noooooo. Really. These people ain’t figured out yet,Barry hates Israel. He’s been that way during both of his terms. I don’t think he’s overly concerned with what the ACLJ has to say about him.

                  Comment by Tim — April 16, 2016 @ 4:54 am

              • FURTHERGLORY. At end of century XIX the USA Engineer Taylor – I do not remember his first name- worked out the so called SCIENTIFIC LABOR METHOD based on SCIENCE INSTEAD OF EMPIRISM and EVERY WORKERS HAD TO PERFORM ONLY HIS TASK IN THE PRODUCTION CHAIN. The method of the PRODUCTION CHAIN – DIVISION OF TASKS had been the base of the success of FORD automaker. One of the developments had been the logistic of spare parts and that of transports-supplies.
                In my researches about SHOAH HISTORY I noted the perfect division of tasks so that every person involved performed a small part of the whole murder project. As to transports arranged by Eichmann I noted a very well logistic system.
                In conclusion, only feew persons of the Nazi regime had a full knowledge of the FIANL SOLUTIONN project.

                Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 18, 2016 @ 9:26 am

                • Wolf…..Of course only one person had a part of the final solution….thats the only way you and your HoloHuxsters can explain your horseshit. Any normal way of explaining things would be contrary to the facts. Why would the Holohuxsters rely of facts…..
                  The more bizarre the tale the better people will believe it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — April 18, 2016 @ 9:36 am

                • You wrote: “the USA Engineer Taylor – I do not remember his first name-”

                  Are you referring to British Chief of Staff, Brigadier General Taylor-Balfour, who was in charge of Bergen-Belsen after the camp was voluntarily turned over to the British?

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 18, 2016 @ 9:43 am

  5. Quote…
    “Every concentration camp had its orchestra, made up of inmate musicians, and concerts were staged even in the worst camp of all, the one at Birkenau, the Auschwitz II camp. Typically, the camp orchestra would play classical music as the prisoners marched off the the factories to work and even as they marched to their deaths in the gas chamber. During the week of cultural events [at Theresienstadt] in June 1944, on the occasion of the Red Cross visit, there were performances of Brundibar in the Magdeburg building.”

    The orchestra playing music for those “Marching to their Deaths” is quite funny.
    Don’t think so….LOL But sure makes for a good story.

    Jim Rizoli
    CCFIILE.COM
    IHR.ORG
    VHO.ORG

    Comment by jrizoli — April 8, 2016 @ 10:14 am

    • I wrote about the Jews marching to their deaths on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/walking-to-the-gas-chambers-at-auschwitz-birkenau/

      The worst part of this is that the Nazis took photos of the Jews as they marched to their deaths. This was very disrespectful to the Jews. Then they put these photos in an album which also included photos of the Nazis on vacation.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 8, 2016 @ 11:37 am

      • FG

        In regards to the orchestra playing music as the Jews were marching to their deaths…..I don’t buy it.
        More Jew propaganda bullshit. I’m trying to understand where you are coming from….one day you’re with the revisionist the next you on cloud nine spouting Jew nonsense. If you believe in the story of them marching toward their deaths with the orchestra playing then you would have to go along with the Homicidal gas chamber nonsense.
        You are really burning the candle from both ends wouldn’t you say?

        JR

        Comment by Jim Rizoli — April 8, 2016 @ 11:53 am

      • FG Sorry I don’t buy into this Jewish Bullshit propaganda of the band playing as the Jews were marched to their deaths.
        You actually believe this?
        I don’t get you….some days you tout the revisionist line then the the next day you are touting Jewthink….
        Can’t be both….If the Jews were marching to their deaths then that would say there were Homicidal gas chambers or some mechanism for mass executions…..you can’t have it both ways.
        The Jews were either mass killed of they weren’t. The music bullshit is irrelevant and just plain stupid.

        Jim Rizol
        CCFIILE.COM
        VHO.ORG
        IHR.ORG

        Comment by Jim Rizoli — April 8, 2016 @ 12:02 pm

        • You wrote “..I don’t buy into this Jewish Bullshit propaganda of the band playing as the Jews were marched to their deaths.
          You actually believe this?”

          No, I don’t believe that the Jews were marching to their deaths in the photos. They were marching to the Sauna to take a shower. Some were marching to some brick buildings that had showers. I showed photos of these buildings on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/DisinfectionBuilding.html

          Germar Rudolf broke into these brick buildings and someone took photos of him inside. He was standing in a room that had heavy blue stains, caused by disinfecting the clothing. There is some confusion about this because the Germans referred to the disinfection chambers as gas chambers — they were gassing lice with Zyklon-B.

          Comment by furtherglory — April 8, 2016 @ 12:12 pm

          • FG…..You have to make yourself clearer on these matters sometimes I read your site and I get the opposite message on what I’m reading.

            JR

            Comment by Jim Rizoli — April 8, 2016 @ 12:36 pm

            • You wrote: “You have to make yourself clearer on these matters;sometimes I read your site and get the opposite message…”

              You used the word “site” which I take to mean my website scrapbookpages.com. I started my website in 1997 when a “website” was something that was virtually unknown. In 1997, a website page had to be quite short with only one photo allowed. My first subject on my website was Dachau, a place that I had visited in 1995. From there, my website has expanded into a huge site, but it is still essentially kosher. There is very little Holocaust denial on my website.

              My blog, which you are following, is a different matter. On my blog, I write what I really believe, and also make joking remarks. My blog is read all over the world, which truly amazes me. I suspect that, in Germany, there is a group of readers who meet regularly to read my blog and discuss it. My blog stats show that the number of readers in Germany is always around the same.

              P.S. The Holocaust is a gold mine for jokes. There are so many stupid things that Holohoaxers believe, that it is hard not to make fun of them.

              Comment by furtherglory — April 9, 2016 @ 8:11 am

              • Since Germany has holo laws,what would happen if all the folks that follow you were rounded up? You’ve said before if we had holo laws in this country,they’d be rounding you up,because of your site here. Would they do that with the folks that read your site in Germany ? I can tell that from time to time your remarks are sarcastic. You need a bit of levity here. As passionate as some of the folks are that read your site,humor is needed every now and again. Keep some people from tearing each other’s eyes out

                Comment by Tim — April 9, 2016 @ 9:20 am

                • You wrote: “Since Germany has holo laws,what would happen if all the folks that follow you were rounded up? You’ve said before if we had holo laws in this country,they’d be rounding you up,because of your site here. Would they do that with the folks that read your site in Germany ?”

                  I don’t think that the folks that read my site in Germany would be rounded up. For all I know, these readers might be Jewish.

                  I might be arrested and sent to Germany for trial for Holocaust denial. I would be quickly convicted, after which I would be sent to a nursing home, instead of being sent to prison. It is my understanding that the nursing homes in Germany are far better than those in the USA. So, I am not worried.

                  I believe that America will soon have a Holocaust denial law, and I could be convicted and sent to prison in the USA. Hopefully, I would have a private cell, and I could write a book.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 9, 2016 @ 9:30 am

                • Get your attorney to have the federal prison system send you to the Pen,that Martha Stewart went to. Hey if you’re locked down in the federal system,you get “email” privileges now. Save lot of money on stamps and stationary

                  Comment by Tim — April 9, 2016 @ 9:37 am

                • I was listening to a song one time. A lyric from part of the song went,” like an SS whore,making scary,sounds”. Someone told that line is after a lady that was radio propaganda for the nazis. The German equivalent of Madame Butterfly. Is there any truth to this?

                  Comment by Tim — April 9, 2016 @ 10:43 am

              • FG…You definitely have some great info, but you might want to update your website to reflect the times.

                JR

                Comment by Jim Rizoli — April 9, 2016 @ 10:39 am

                • I might eventually do that, but it would be difficult because the software that I used to do my website is no longer available. Learning to use different software would be difficult for me because my brain is not what it used to be. I am suffering from old age.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 9, 2016 @ 3:16 pm

            • This site is written by a very intelligent writer in a ” Alice in Wonderland ” style. This will enable the writer to run rings around the prosecutor in any “Holocaust Denial ” trial they may have to suffer in the future when “Holocaust denial ” is outlawed worldwide by the UN.

              Comment by peter — April 10, 2016 @ 7:54 am

          • FURTHERGLORY. But from the showers no water but gas came down. That is history and made clear already.. Perpetrators clained that they had had to obbey orders but did not deny the facts, so in trials. Strange enugh. Kurt Gerstein who had been first to inform world after war, already in allied custody, died in strange circumstances. I wonder: had he been suicided?

            Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteineth — April 10, 2016 @ 7:57 am

            • You wrote: “But from the showers no water but gas came down.”

              You need to read some of the books and articles written by Germar Rudolf. He explains how gas could NOT have come out of the shower faucets. I consulted Germar, via e-mail, before I went to Auschwitz, because I wanted to know what photos I should take. He explained to me that the alleged gas chambers were UNDERGROUND where I could not take a photo unless I climbed down through a small hole, as he did. The alleged gas chambers were actually crematoria where the bodies were stored before they could be burned.

              Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2016 @ 8:37 am

              • FURTHERGLORY. The showers had been a mockery to hide the tubes for the throwing in the Zylon B wjich in air released the murderous gas.

                Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 10, 2016 @ 9:58 am

                • You wrote: “The showers had been a mockery to hide the tubes for throwing in the Zyklon B”

                  The Zyklon-B was in the form of pellets that could not be thrown into a shower room.

                  I wrote about the showers and the gas chambers on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/holocaust-survivor-who-got-the-water-not-the-gas/

                  If I had been in Germany as a child, during World War II, and if I had been sent into a shower room, I would not have known what it was. A shower room was virtually unknown during the 1940s. If I had been a child in Europe, instead of living in America, I would have heard about the gas chambers, and I might have assumed that the gas chambers were disguised as shower rooms.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2016 @ 10:11 am

                • That’s what I was gonna ask. Why do they need tubes for the zyklon? Don’t make any sense. The pellets are a solid,not a gas. Were all the gas houses uniform in how the were set up?

                  Comment by Tim — April 10, 2016 @ 5:42 pm

            • but gas came down

              What gas? — HCN? — HCN is lighter than air, so it would not flow “down” from shower heads — was some equipment used to generate pressure to force the gas thru the shower heads? — what kind of equipment was that?

              The showers had been a mockery to hide the tubes for the throwing in the Zylon B

              Here you say it was Zyklon-B — which as was pointed out to you, is not gas, but pellets — what kind of shower heads were they that had holes big enough for pellets of Zyklon-B to fall thru?

              Wolf, re the conventional ‘Holocaust’ story, I know you believe nearly every claim about it — and that you have some trouble with English — but here you make a bit of a fool of yourself — you should try to avoid that in the future.

              Comment by eah — April 10, 2016 @ 2:00 pm

        • Since you know Germar Rudolf, you should ask him to explain to you that the Germans had already figured out that DDT was bad for the environment, so they were using Zyklon-B to gas the lice in the clothing of the prisoners. When the camps were liberated, the soldiers assumed that it was people that were being gassed, not lice. At Dachau, the American liberators assumed that people were being gassed in the clothing disinfection chambers. When the Americans found out that this assumption was wrong, they changed the shower room at Dachau into a gas chamber.

          Comment by furtherglory — April 8, 2016 @ 12:21 pm

          • The defense attorneys never thought to bring this up at the trial? Using zyklon for pest eradication

            Comment by Tim — April 8, 2016 @ 12:29 pm

            • Tim wrote: “The defense attorneys never thought to bring this up at the trial? Using zyklon for pest eradication”

              They probably did. But that would have been of no help anyway, because using Zyklon for pest eradication doesn’t prove Zyklon wasn’t also used for mass murder. Telling a court about the normal use of a swimming pool won’t save your neck before a court having decided to claim that you have drowned numerous people in your swimming pool and exempting itself of the duty of proving it. As long as you keep regarding the Nuremberg trials’ as real trials [instead of victors’ trial-looking butchering machines, civilized guillotines], you’ll face similar oddities and questionings, Tim.

              The victors knew the uses of Zyklon. Zyklon was widely used in the United States in those days.


              Fumigation team in New Orléans, 1939 (Zyklon canisters visible)


              Fumigation Zyklon cart for typhus control, ca. 1922

              Comment by hermie — April 9, 2016 @ 8:47 am

          • The soldiers assumed that the fumigation chambers were being used as homicidal gas chambers based on the ongoing propaganda and lies being spread around. They could of set the matter straight then but they refused to so we know have the lies which the HoloHuxsters use for their propaganda and lies.

            JR

            Comment by Jim Rizoli — April 9, 2016 @ 10:43 am

            • So any allied soldiers that were wits for the prosecution,could have very well been coached by the prosecuting attorney and told what to say,since they were told every building was a gas house. Wouldn’t be the first time prosecuting attorneys have pulled that kinda stunt. Prosecuting attorneys from anywhere.

              Comment by Tim — April 9, 2016 @ 10:52 am

              • I’ve seen many court cases when the DA’s hide the truth and don’t give a rats ass to the truth.
                I have a good friend of mine who went to jail twice (small sentences) when he was actually telling the truth and the DA’s smiled all the way through the trial. When they have it out for you truth is no defense.

                JR

                Comment by Jim Rizoli — April 9, 2016 @ 10:57 am

                • That’s why after all the facts that I’m finding out are just lies,I have to question how the case was prosecuted. I believe some bad shit happened with the Jews . I however do not think it was a big and widespread as they make it sound. It just seems people should common sense on some of this shit. Like I was told by my DI back at boot,”in any war,truth will suffer first”.

                  Comment by Tim — April 9, 2016 @ 11:31 am

                • Tim the bad shit that happened to the Jews was brought upon themselves by their wayward lifestyle and thought process.
                  They were disrespectful to Germany and were considered persona no grata….They were hostile to anything Germany was doing and fought the Germans every step of the way. If they acted the same way in our country and did the things they did in Germany here they would of been jailed like the Japanese. Hitler corralled them all up to contain them so they couldn’t harm the country by their seditious actions.
                  The problem was Hitler didn’t realize how big a problem it would be and all the damage they would do later on with their lies and misrepresentations of what really happened to them in the camps.
                  Hitler was too good to them and allowed them to work for the Reich but soon would regret it. Sure conditions were not the greatest for them
                  but guess what they had food, clothing and shelter, thats all they had to do was work for it. If they were on the outside of the camps they probably would of been killed by the allied bombings. So what was the thing they cried about……having their heads shaved bald….
                  Better than ending up melted to the pavement as thousands experienced in Dresden and several other cities they would of ended up in as displaced people.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — April 9, 2016 @ 11:47 am

                • I always thought Germany and the Germans were racist. I read an article that FG did that had Wagner in it. That’s when I figured out what hitler meant by ,”keeping the race pure”. From what I understand,Wagner didn’t like Jew music. It was depressing and the Krauts liked upbeat music. I’m not gonna say hitler did a ,”one man show” by turning the country around,the people rallied behind him. He was the conductor. The people played their part. They don’t want anyone on board messing things up. People work to build something to be proud of,they’re gonna get defensive when someone tries to yank the carpet from under them. That shit don’t fly. If you got other people marrying into a race where their views are not the same,shits gonna deteriorate big time. Good example of that is,white girls. They hang around blacks or Mexicans and they start to act like them. They get romantically involved with them ( okay. There may not be much romance there). They start talking,walking,get the “I don’t give a shit attitude”. They have kids and act like that around the kids and that’s how the kids grow up. Couple generations down the road,they ain’t gonna be able to identify with shit. I understand why if Germany couldn’t get the Jews to assimilate,then they need to hit the bricks. Hey when I go to Mexico,they expect me to observe their culture. Germany has been around forever. I don’t blame them for wanting to keep their race pure

                  Comment by Tim — April 9, 2016 @ 12:50 pm

                • You are absolutely correct in your analysis.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 9, 2016 @ 2:57 pm

            • I see Putin signed into law back in 2013,making it illegal to deny the holocaust. I admire Putin for not taking shit from anybody,but I trust him no further than I can throw him ( heard he’s old school KGB). Do you think he really gives a damn about the Jews or that if someone digs to much,they might see Russia don’t have much room to talk

              Comment by Tim — April 10, 2016 @ 8:08 am

              • You wrote: “Do you think he really gives a damn about the Jews or that if someone digs to much,they might see Russia don’t have much room to talk”

                I think that Putin doesn’t want people to read about what the Russians did in World War II.

                Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2016 @ 8:29 am

                • Exactly. He’ll throw that into the mix ,in the hopes that no one digs to deep into Russia’s past. We can’t have the truth coming out. God forbid that should happen. This is the same guy who said,”Russia lost its moral compass every since the wall fell in ’92”. I’m glad they lost that “compass”. Sounds like it was broke as hell

                  Comment by Tim — April 10, 2016 @ 1:42 pm

              • Tim writes:- “I see Putin signed into law back in 2013, making it illegal to deny the holocaust”.

                Yes, that was very disappointing for revisionists as well as investigators after the truth. But Putin of course represents a very large and important nation state which has relationships, treaties and commitments to other nations. His advisors obviously told him that if he did not do this, then the holocaust ( which is basically a pack of lies ) might start to unravel inside Russia – and a terrifying hornet’s nest might open up both internally and externally.

                The prevailing national ethos that guides modern Russia is “The Great Patriotic War” that took place between 1941 and 1945. And the “holocaust” is an essential building-block in this grand edifice. If the Russian people were to find out that the Jews were not in fact exterminated en-masse, but were liberated from labour camps as the Soviet Red Army advance westwards ( from where they were re-settled in locations far and wide across that vast territory ), then they might begin to question a lot of other stuff about the war. In fact, it was quite painful for the Russian state to have to finally confess to the Katyn Massacre – but the holocaust is a much larger, and more emotional and potentially explosive event than that.

                But in addition to what may unfold inside Russia, is what might happen to relationships between Russia and other nations – especially in Europe – such as Germany and Poland, but also the USA and Israel. All of them are fully committed to holocaustianity of course. All four of these countries would fight back strongly if Russia encouraged revisionism to flourish there; and this might result in a massive international propaganda offensive, a series of destabilisation campaigns, boycotts, travel restrictions and goodness knows what other hostile actions.

                So, from Putin’s point of view – or any other Russian leader come to that – it was much more politik to let sleeping dogs lie, and instead place severe restrictions on revisionist activity, so that unpalatable truths and facts can continue to lie hidden away in state archives and dusty vaults in Moscow.

                Comment by Talbot — April 10, 2016 @ 12:32 pm

                • Like I said . He’s old school KGB. I trust nothing he says. The only cause Putin is concerned with,is his cause. That’s why he can keep throwing more nukes onto the game board and nobody says anything. I think they (Russia ) have quite a few closets full of skeletons

                  Comment by Tim — April 10, 2016 @ 1:48 pm

  6. When they changed the names of these cities,did the new names have any meaning or did they just pull a name out of thin air?

    Comment by Tim — April 8, 2016 @ 9:45 am

    • It really depends on the country and on the individual city or town. Many formerly German locales in what is now Poland have a literal translation, eg Zielona Gora/Gruenberg “green mountain”, Gleiwitz/Gliwice, while others such as Rastenburg were completely renamed Ketrzyn after a polish activist.
      Northern East Prussia, annexed by the USSR in 1945 has all non literal translations, mostly ex communist heroes like Kalinin (Kaliningrad) for Konigsberg, chernyakovsk/insterberg etc. most Sudeten/Bohemian towns now in Czech generally follow the Polish rule.

      Comment by Schlageter — April 8, 2016 @ 11:25 am

    • You wrote: “When they changed the names of these cities, did the new names have any meaning”
      The new names were either Jewish or Polish — not German. The new names had been in use — by the Jews or by the Polish people, at the same time that the German people were using the German names.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 8, 2016 @ 11:28 am

      • I asked if they meant anything,because I figured maybe the Jews would use the new names to go,”ha ha! Back in your face Germany “.

        Comment by Tim — April 8, 2016 @ 11:40 am

      • not necessarily; Danzig was always “Danzig” to all, only becoming more Polonized to “Gdansk” after the war. Many other cities that never had any Polish influence whatsoever simply took Polish spellings and pronunciations Goerlitz/Zgorzelec, Guben/Gubin, both towns split in half by the artificially created Oder-Neisse line. Of interest (at least to me anyway) is the movement to restore German names and/or use dual signage. There is a significant movement in Kaliningrad to revert to Konigsberg, and in Oberschlesien/Gorny Slask/Upper Silesia, all villages are in German and Polish, a recent move that triggered much controversy. The largest town to have the dual signage, Glogawek/Oberglogau caused quite a stir amongst Polish nationalists.

        Comment by Schlageter — April 8, 2016 @ 11:44 am

        • I am happy to know the Königsberger Klopse and even the less know Königsberger Marzipan, which is the best Marzipan I know (and being made now by Wald, a family shop in Berlin) and I am glad there is a movement to revert the name to Königsberg.

          QUOTE from FG:
          I don’t like the fact that German names for Holocaust locations are now being changed to Jewish or Polish names. The ghetto, formerly known as Theresienstadt, is now called Terezin. The town, formerly known as Auschwitz, is now called by the Polish name Oświęcim.
          UNQUOTE

          I quite agree. Even in non-german countries we only knew the German names, like Breslau, Warschau, etc. And, to be frank, Polish was just a step too far for us. But by all means, give a place a name you can pronounce and that is the second or the third or te fourth name.

          Some years ago I was with some friends in the province of Zeeland (after which New Zealand was named), in The Netherlands, at the River Schelde. A boy in a wetsuit approached us and said something in German. It turned out that he had just come from Lüttich – this took me a split second and then I remembered. He had been in LUIK
          as we say in Dutch/Flemish or Liège in French.
          So in many countries, we take it for granted that in a number of other countries people will use different names for a city.

          I would always go for the historical name, the name that has been with us for the longest time. Also, if that name is the original name and has been in use the longest.
          But some countries want you to accept new names. Why?
          And do we have to be over-politically correct to immediately bow to their demands. Why should you want to change the name of Ceylon to Sri Lanka? Why should most of the world want to use Mumbai instead of using Bombay? In this case, the pronunciation is almost the same and in Bombay itself people will still say ‘Bombay log’ for the locals.
          It is worse for cities like Madras that is called Chennai, I presume. Varanasi for Benares, well OK.

          It is just terrible that in South Africa the good old Afrikaner names are being replaced by African, Zulu or Khosa names. This is part of the phasing out of the Afrikaans. Are we still allowed to call the province Transvaal? The Boer farmers are being killed but that is not news that reached the rest of the world.

          Please note that never, ever one wondered about European names being adapted to another language. Berlin spells the same in many languages (Berlyn in Afrikaans,Dutch), Paris too, but the pronunciation is different. But Den Haag becomes La Haye in French. Spanish, Portuguese have their own words for Cape Town. Arabic makes it – often in the same text “Kap tun” or “Kepton”, and generally, there is no system in the transliteration from other scripts. So in many languages it is unimportant how you write the name of a town. But the rest of the world has to follow the new rules for towns in India. Well, I accept that it’s Abdullah Haroon road now, in Karachi and no longer Elphinstone Road but I guess they all know where you want to go if you use an old name.

          So I would suggest stick to the oldest name known and simply allow other versions in other languages but never let them be made mandatory.

          Comment by dr kim — April 12, 2016 @ 5:41 am

    • The Poles have put some money/effort into restoring the town center of Wroclaw (Breslau) — to make it colorful and appealing to tourists — when I was there a few years ago, other parts of the Stadtzentrum were still a bit rundown — I remember on one of the neglected streets I saw a closed, dilapidated shop with a barely readable sign above the window and door: Konditorei — I imagine it had been that way since the end of the war, when the Germans were driven out.

      Comment by eah — April 8, 2016 @ 11:51 am

      • Interestingly the French and the Germans still call the city Breslau.

        Comment by peter — April 10, 2016 @ 8:01 am

  7. When in the Getho this park – Brunnepark – had not been accessible for the inmates. So do not show this photo, rather that of the Magdeburger barack.

    Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 8, 2016 @ 9:41 am

    • I put up a photo of the Magdeburg building. I don’t think that this helps your version of the Holocaust because Magdeburg is a very beautiful building.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 8, 2016 @ 11:30 am

      • FURTHERGLORY. The courtyard of the Magedburg barack had been embelilished after war; at my times there had been no fllowers there. Now in part of the Magdeburg is a sort of museum, so informed but I have no contact with that organization.

        Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteine — April 8, 2016 @ 12:58 pm

        • FURTHERGLORY. I have thought over the matter but the courtyard of the Magdeburger as shown does not seem the same I remeber. Indeed we stood in Magdeburger from Septembern 1943 to war end so I knew the buillding. Have You made the photoes or some else gave them?

          Comment by Wuolf Murmelsteineth — April 9, 2016 @ 1:09 pm

          • The photo that I included in my blog post is on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/CzechRepublic/Theresienstadt/TheresienstadtGhetto/GhettoTour/Tour12.html

            The words on that page, under the photo, are quoted below:
            Begin quote

            The [Magdeburg] building extends from one end of the block to the other and has a series of three interior courtyards, one of which is shown in the photograph below. The Dresden barracks for women has an identical courtyard, but the Dresden building is not open to tourists. The prisoners played soccer in the courtyard shown [in my photo] below.
            End quote

            The soccer games in the courtyard are well known. The Germans made a movie of a soccer game in the courtyard; you can probably find the movie on YouTube.

            Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2016 @ 6:30 am

          • I took most of the photos that are on my website. When I first started my website, in 1995, it consisted of one of my photos on each page. The pages were linked together so that clicking on the photo would advance the reader to the next photo on the next page. That is why I chose the title of my website as “scrapbook pages”.

            Since you were a child when you lived in Theresienstadt, your father probably tried to protect you by not allowing you to roam around the camp. You may not have seen the long courtyard in the Magdeburg building. My photo shows only a short section of the courtyard that tourists were allowed to see when I was there. In the photo, you can see an iron gate into another section of the courtyard where tourists are not allowed to go.

            Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2016 @ 6:59 am

            • FURTHERGLORY. I could and had to go arroung in the Magdeburger and I some times went in my Father’s office. I take that after war the Czech authorities changed some what in the building; maybee to install elevators. Furthermore I could walk around in the Ghetto streets, clearly not over the limits guarded by the GETHOWACHE inside and by the Gendarms outside. Sio I could see some thing. Clear?

              Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 10, 2016 @ 10:05 am

              • You wrote “So I could see something”

                But could you understand what you were seeing. When I was a child during World War II, I was a bit older than you. I would frequently go with my father to see the Missouri river, which was very close to our house. As I was standing on the bank of the river, I could see what I thought was the other side of the river. Actually, what I was looking at, was an island. The Missouri river, at the place where I was standing, was actually a mile wide.

                My point is that what you were seeing might not have been what you thought it was.

                Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2016 @ 10:20 am

                • FURTHERGLORY. What I have SEEN by myself at those times at Theresienstadt is deeply remembered and often are my nightmares. Clearly, at that moment I did not understand all the terrible meaning of what I have seen but I remember well things. The same applies to other real survivors.
                  All the fault searching questioning here is a a cruel, puritan, lack of respect for a tragedy many survivors went trough; maybe a regret for our survival.

                  Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 10, 2016 @ 11:34 pm

                • You are expressing the same thoughts over and over again. That is why your comments are going into the spam folder.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2016 @ 6:38 am

                • I’m glad you made it out. What you went through,no child should have to endure. You should’ve been playing tag with your friends. Maybe you should’ve had a dog that was your best friend. Playing fetch with the dog. Riding around on your bicycle. I imagine when you’re around people and they speak of their “childhood”, you can’t relate to that since your childhood was stolen. That’s tragic. I don’t deny something really shitty happened with some Jews in WW2. I question certain aspects of it,because the facts are always changing. What I think is a bunch of BS,is that in some countries a person can’t raise a question about the holocaust,without fear of being locked down. That’s total bull shit. I would expect laws like that in Cuba or North Korea,but the countries I’m talking about are supposed to be free countries. If a person don’t agree with what happened in the holicaust,then it’s their God given right to think freely about it. I think that’s where all the animosity towards Jews comes from. Myself. I love everyone. I saw first hand mans hatred towards his fellow man,when I went to ‘Nam. Life is to short to hate your fellow man

                  Comment by Tim — April 11, 2016 @ 5:05 pm

                • FURTHERGLORY. I myself, like many real survivors, remember what I have SEEN at that terrible times, Clearly I did not understand at that moment the entire terrible meaning of things. What I remember is deeply in my miind – a psicologic problem like that of all real survivors – which deserves much more respect than all the puritan iornic fault finding questioning here. Do all in USA regret our survival?

                  Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 10, 2016 @ 11:42 pm

                • You wrote: “Do all in USA regret our survival?”
                  No, the people in the USA do not regret the survival of the Jews. However, some people regret the fact that the Holocaust is taught in American schools and that it is written about daily in the news. Usually, only one side of the Holocaust is discussed — the Jewish version.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2016 @ 6:28 am

                • Same words and same ideas. This caused your comment to go into the spam folder.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2016 @ 6:37 am

                • FURTHERGLORY. Your point is completly wrong. I remember things I have seen and events passed trough since I was five years old. Those records are deep in my memory and therefore the roots of serious health problems. All the puritan fault searching questioning and ironic statements are sign of deep lack of respect for human feelings and a great tragedy; I suspect more and more a regret for our survival.

                  Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 11, 2016 @ 1:45 am

                • This comment originally went into the Spam folder. It did not go onto my blog until I woke up at 6 o’clock this morning and unspammed it. Again, you used some of the same words and expressed some of the same ideas, which caused the wordpress software to designate it as Spam.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2016 @ 6:34 am

                • How does that software determine what is and what isn’t .

                  Comment by Tim — April 11, 2016 @ 5:07 pm

                • This comment originally went into the spam folder because you have expressed these same ideas many times.

                  You use some of the same words over and over. For example, the words “health problems,” “deep lack of respect,” “great tragedy” and “regret for our survival.”

                  Holocaust survivors are honored in America. Many of them have written books about their time in a camp. Some are giving lectures in American schools. Others are renting a large hall and giving lectures. I have attended one of these lectures. My impression was that this man had never been in a concentration camp — he made too many errors when he talked about the SIX CAMPS where he was allegedly a prisoner.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2016 @ 7:00 am

                • FURTHERGLORY. And I find allmost allways the same accusations I have the duty to rebuke.

                  Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 11, 2016 @ 7:19 am

                • You wrote: “I find almost always the same accusations [that] I have the duty to rebuke.”

                  The reason that the same “accusations” keep coming up, that you feel the “duty” to deny, is because these “accusations” are the truth. For example, you say that there was a homicidal gas chamber at Theresienstadt, where the people in the ghetto were gassed. The “gas chambers” at Theresienstadt were for the purpose of disinfecting the clothing. The lice in the clothing was killed by using Zyclon-B. No human beings were gassed at Theresienstadt. I have blogged about this several times.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2016 @ 10:38 am

                • Is the Holocaust a HOAX?
                  Simple answer YES!
                  http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

                  Jim Rizoli
                  CCFIILE.COM
                  IHR.ORG
                  VHO.ORG

                  Comment by jrizoli — April 11, 2016 @ 10:49 am

                • FURTHERGLORY. I repeat here – hoping for the last time – that a Theresienstadt Ghetto – the.
                  1. The DELOUSING SERVICE headed by Ing. Pazovsky had his facility and the team worked also around the town to desinfect rooms, The Zyklon B gas had been hold in a warehouse outside the Ghetto under strict controll of the SS and small quatities for the service had been handed out from time to time.
                  2. In Jannuary the Eichmann team ordered the start of works – without any written design and following only oral instructions – in a closed room inside on part of the walls. Due to the first allarming news learned from the Slovakians arrived at December 1944 the Head of Technical Service Ing Kohn informed the Elder who then noted other strange circumstances. So in a certain moment the Elder, endangering himself, faced the Comander who spoke about a bomb safe warehouse but … went to Prague and returned three days later with the order to stop those works. Aocording the statement of SS Cap. Joecke the Gas Chamber had been aimed to the mass killing of the political prisoniers hold at the Little Fortress he comanded.
                  For the Jews a mass execution place had been planned in an other part of the walls with the facility to forward the corps to the near Eger river.
                  Conclusion, at Theresienstadt a Gas Chamber and a Mass Execution Place had been planned and works had been started but stopped. NO GASSINGS OCCURED THERE.
                  3. About the efforts of Governor SS General Frank to get in touch with the Allied Comands we have the report of the Red Cross Delegates about their talks from April 5, 1945 on. Furthermore, SS General Frank had been the only one holding the authority to give the order to stop those works.
                  4. About Theresienstadt I am certainly much better informed than You.
                  5. You state in a comment that the Holocaust is a gold mine. I reply that certainly non for me or the majority of real survivors who got for reparation what German and Austrian law provided for all victims – political, religious or racial – ones. And that hardly repairs our losses of health, educational and career opportunities, properties, etc. It is a gold mine for those who manage the Shoah business exploiting aged survivors who for clear reasons are confused in their records and “had been helped and advised” when answering questions or delivering speeches or writing articles. It is a gold mine for writers of negationist articles and for the Polish Tourism. I repeat not for me or other real survivors.
                  I am fed up wirh all the puritan faul searching questioning about a painfull past passed trough and reading defamating statements about Jews.
                  Clear at last?

                  Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 18, 2016 @ 10:23 am

                • Wolf you say that the Holocaust is not a gold mine for you but for others who have exploited everyone. I can see that but what bothers me about you is you don’t come against the Liars the cheaters and the Holo hucksters that have been doing that. You should be exposing them I shouldn’t have to be the one to do this or those who think like me you Jews who have been exploited should be the ones who come after these Holo hucksters why aren’t you doing that?
                  You are just as guilty as them by not exposing them for what they are doing.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — April 18, 2016 @ 10:29 am


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