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April 13, 2016

The misuse of Holocaust photos in today’s news articles

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, Uncategorized, World War II — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 7:37 am

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The photo above was used to illustrate a news article which you can read at http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/nazism-is-an-abomination-not-a-term-of-casual-abuse/news-story/c5758e1893e03ed0d4fd0820e79d089a

Nazism is an abomination, not a term of casual abuse

The following quote is from the news article, cited above:

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Nazis, who represent the ultimate evil and conjure horrific visions of suffering and depravity, are appearing in our culture with disturbing frequency and obscenely littering our public square. We have soup Nazis, grammar Nazis, eco-Nazis, femi-Nazis, nico-Nazis, health Nazis, jazz Nazis, ticket Nazis, lunchbox Nazis and traffic Nazis, to name but a few. The real Nazis must be delighted with these distortions.

I get why people are tempted to introduce Nazis into a discussion, why the appeal of invoking and exploiting this imagery is so powerful. The Third Reich embodies a unique historical evil and is a convenient metaphor for illustrating the concept of right versus wrong. It’s a cheap trick that packs a punch as a scare tactic, is hard to beat for shock value and is guaranteed to work as a sensational headline generator.

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The photo above is a very poor choice to illustrate the Holocaust. Note the warm clothing, including warm caps and coats. Many of the women in the photo are past the age to be selected as workers.

Note that some of the women have a full head of hair, which means that they have been in the camp long enough for their hair to grow out after the hair was initially shaved to get rid of any lice.

These women appear to be in good health, not starving to death. Would it have killed the people who wrote this article, to have used a proper photograph of starving, emaciated prisoners, freezing to death without proper clothing?

 

85 Comments »

  1. “This was not the first time that the Nazis chased the Jews across the Bug river. I wrote about this on this previous blog post.”

    If the Nazis “chased” the Jews across the Bug River, why would they need transit camps?

    Are you saying that 1.5 million waded across the Bug River? If that is so, why do the Hoefle Telegram and Koehrer Report show the Jews sent to these camps, Chelmno included (Koehrer Report)?

    Are you saying that the Germans parked these Jews at these at these camps and let them wade across?
    I don’t think that makes any sense, after all, Nazi attitudes towards the Jews are well known. Are you saying that they allowed all of these Jews to go wandering through an active war zone without supervision? Isn’t that a security risk?

    How does that explain the Hungarian Jews? Are you saying that the SS released these Jews into the wild, so to speak? Through their defensive lines? I find that hard to believe.

    Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 10:07 am

  2. “Please quote one “rumor” that has been proved to be a rumor.”

    There are several:

    Jews given just enough gas to stumble to the burial pits and bury themselves (that’s actually one of my favorites).

    Jews drowned in a dark liquid.

    Jews electrocuted on conveyor belts.

    Mobile gas chambers that dumped the Jews in graves (that’s another personal favorite).

    I’m sure if you ask Jim he’ll give you more.

    Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 8:06 am

    • Some of the best ones here….
      http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fantastic-Holocaust-Survivor-Stories-Jewish-Soap-Lampshades-Fertilizer-Mengele-Miracles.php
      Just think they actually believed this crap…..so that would show me the direction the HoloHuxsters were going was definitely not true on most everything they promote..
      Show me where the Revisionist have put such nonsense together.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 10:33 am

      • You forgot to include the whoppers that deniers use. You know, the deportation of Polish Jews to some unknown camps in the USSR.
        Apparently, the Jews migrated across the Bug River like ducks. Or were bundled into trains at the height of a vital military operation that included moving a large force of German soldiers into the Southern Soviet Union, that one is really funny.
        Maybe the Jews blew away in hot air balloons filled with Hitler’s flatulence…..

        Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 10:50 am

        • Jeff that sounds like one of the tales that the Holohuxsters would be telling.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 12:08 pm

          • Well, you asked for denier whoppers…..

            Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 12:12 pm

      • You know, Jim, I never gave you my version of the “revisionist” side of the story. I will also e-mail this to you.

        I read both sides of the story. This is what your side says:

        The Holocaust is an elaborate hoax, created by the Zionists in order to create the state of Isreal. The allies bought into and assisted in this hoax in order to justify the horrors inflicted upon the German people. These horrors included the firebombing of German cities, the systematic rape of German women and the plundering of German industry of its best minds and material.

        This hoax centers around the former concentration camp Auschwitz. The authors of this hoax attempted, in a rather crude manner, to portray Birkenau as an extermination camp. The reality is that Birkenau functioned as a labor, concentration and transit camp. The authors of this hoax attempted to portray the destroyed crematorium as gas chambers, the reality is that these buildings were nothing more than morgues with crematorium to burn the bodies. The authors of this hoax attempted to portray Krema I as a gas chamber, altering it to look like a gas chamber after the war. The reality is that the Germans closed this original crematorium and converted it to an air raid shelter.

        The authors of this hoax also attempted to portray the transit camps of Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka as extermination centers. The hoaxters took some time to settle on a mode of execution, finally settling on gas chambers as the most plausible explanation.

        The Jews and their backers continue to push this hoax on the world today. They use movies, books and television programs to simultaneously push this agenda and make enormous sums of money from this industry. The main focus of all this is to prevent the world from looking too closely at the conduct of Isreal and the allies.

        Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 7:07 pm

        • Jeff….. that was an excellent summation of what the revisionists believe. Apparently you have been listening. Good job!

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 7:20 pm

          • I also sent that to your e-mail, Jim.

            Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 8:23 pm

        • A quite good summary, Jeff.

          I disagree with it on a few minor details (see below) nevertheless.

          Jeff wrote: “The Holocaust is an elaborate hoax, created by the Zionists in order to create the state of Isreal.”

          Not to create the state of Israel. To have the British ‘MacDonald White Paper’ of May 1939 (providing for the establishment of an Arab-dominated State of Palestine in 1949 at the latest) cancelled by staining it with blood, and to have as many Jews as possible transferred from Europe to Palestine (hard for the British government to keep saying ‘no’ when the Zionist alternative ‘Martyrdom or Palestine’ became ‘Slaughter or Palestine’) during and just after the war. The Zionist leaders of that time were not opposed to a continuation of the British mandate over Palestine, but only with a British mandate working with their own rules and demands (mainly an unrestricted immigration). In other words, most Zionist leaders were willing to go on with the British mandate over Palestine for a while if possible (i.e. if the British authorities agreed to let them grab Palestine unhindered) and so to get statehood only after the Jews were a majority in Palestine (accordingly to their original plan).

          Jeff wrote: “The allies bought into and assisted in this hoax in order to justify the horrors inflicted upon the German people.”

          And also in order to be the good guys of WW2. The Anglo-Saxon wannabe heroes always use atrocity propaganda to demonize their foes and so show to their sheeple how good they are themselves. The communal gas chambers, German-made human soap, etc. of WW1 had vastly demonstrated that decades before WW2 had even begun.

          Jeff wrote: “The main focus of all this is to prevent the world from looking too closely at the conduct of Isreal and the allies.”

          Also largely motivated by the advancement of the Judeo-Masonic ‘New World Order’ agenda, requiring the crushing of all nationalisms and racisms (among other things). Hard to deny the Holohoax is always a great lesson against the alleged dangerousness and vileness of nationalism and racism. Mere social engineering. Neutralization of peoples’ immunity (emasculation, one could say) against the Jewish Supremacist eternal foreigner…

          Comment by hermie — April 16, 2016 @ 8:30 am

  3. “A Revisionist Chronicle: Impact and Future of Holocaust Revisionism” (2000) By Robert Faurisson:

    [quote] Wieviorka, a French Jew, and Karel, an Israeli who has lived in France since 1985, have manifestly been influenced by the French revisionist school. Although quite hostile toward the latter, they have nonetheless admitted that the time has at last come to denounce some of the exterminationist propaganda’s most glaring fictions. On this subject one may refer either to an article by the journalist Philippe Cusin note 57 or, especially, to another article that Béatrice Bocard prepared for the repeat broadcast of “Against Forgetting” on Antenne 2 television, a piece whose title alone says a great deal: “The Shoah, from reality to the spectacle. The indecent stagings by the liberators in the face of the deportees’ accounts.” In it Bocard wrote:

    With only slight exaggeration, it might be said that the liberation of the concentration camps introduced the reality shows … The first signs of the genre of spectacles that television channels like CNN were to make commonplace 50 years later were already there, with attempts to outdo [one another] at indecency, at voyeurism, and with recourse to staging … The least infirm of the survivors were made to repeat their script before the cameras: “I was deported because I was Jewish,” says one of them. Once, twice … Not to be outdone by the American “show,” the Soviets, who had done nothing at the time of the Auschwitz camp’s liberation, shot a “fake liberation” a few weeks afterwards, with Polish extras enthusiastically greeting the soldiers … “William Karel is the first to have dissected these false images that we had always been told, until quite recently, were genuine,” says Annette Wieviorka. How had it been possible to accept them? “People are not in the habit of questioning images as they question texts,” the historian explains. “The example of the [purported] mass graves at Timosoara [Romania, December 1989] is not too distant.” [unquote]

    Comment by hermie — April 14, 2016 @ 8:38 pm

  4. “I can tell you why Jim is a “Holocaust denier.” He has interviewed the two most famous experts on the Holocaust: Fred Leuchter and Garmar Rudolf. These experts have explained everything at great length.”

    Two famous experts?
    You mean the self-proclaimed pseudo-engineer and the disgraced chemist kicked out of the Max Planck Instituite? How are they experts on the Holocaust?

    “Germar used to answer questions from newbs in e-mail. I don’t know if he still does that, but you could try e-mailing him.”

    No thank you. Rudolf has so many pseudonyms I couldn’t be sure who I was e-mailing with.

    You have a funny definition of “expert.”

    Comment by Jeff K. — April 14, 2016 @ 10:13 am

    • You are such a confirmed True Believer that there is no hope for you.

      I wrote about Fred Leuchter on this blog post:
      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/fred-leuchter/

      Some day, you will probably visit Auschwitz-Birkena; you will not get 10 feet from the entrance before becoming a denier. The first thing that you will see on your tour is the quarantine barracks. The Jews were put in quarantine before going into the barracks. This was to prevent deaths from typhus. Those mean ole Nazis wanted to gas the prisoners, not let them die of typhus.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 14, 2016 @ 10:41 am

      • “You are such a confirmed True Believer that there is no hope for you.”

        I know. I guess it is a bad thing to be so well informed.

        “I wrote about Fred Leuchter on this blog post:
        https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/fred-leuchter/

        I remember that blog. You wrote that in response to a rather bad joke I made.

        “Some day, you will probably visit Auschwitz-Birkena, you will not get 10 feet from the entrance before becoming a denier.”

        I sincerely doubt that. Visiting Auschwitz turned Pressac from being a denier.

        “The first thing that you will see on your tour is the quarantine barracks. The Jews were put in quarantine before going into the barracks. This was the prevent deaths from typhus. Those mean ole Nazis wanted to gas the prisoners, not let them die of typhus.”

        Quarantine barracks were a necessity for the Jews and other prisoners not gassed. The SS didn’t want to die from epidemics, either.

        Comment by Jeff K. — April 14, 2016 @ 11:08 am

        • Excellent video that shows the original condition of Krema 2 and 3 which were actually morgues.
          This B/S about the holes in the roof is nicely exposed here.
          Today I believe all the concrete from the roof collapse is gone.
          I don’t agree with him about the Germans blowing the buildings up but that is another story for another time.

          This video has English subtitles if you hit the cc on the bottom right.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — April 14, 2016 @ 3:11 pm

          • Excellent presentation by Vincent Reynouard. He completely demolishes the “wire-mesh cage” theory, because he had the presence of mind to investigate inside the ruined chamber and found no fittings or holes in the reinforced concrete directly underneath the alleged roof holes to which they should have been attached.

            So – its bye-bye wire-mesh cages!

            Reynouard makes a strong case for the Germans themselves blowing-up these crematorium facilities just before they evacuated Birkenau. He’s quite correct in saying that the Soviet propaganda machine had made great play about gas chambers and crematoria at Majdanek after it had been captured by the Red Army nearly 5 months previously.

            In the circumstances its quite reasonable to assume that the SS leadership would want to make sure that the Soviets could not make any similar claims at Auschwitz. ( But it was a futile attempt, because the Bolsheviks were able to spin and weave any old story they liked, and had plenty of witnesses who could be coerced and bribed – or maybe even willing – to add their penny-worth to the narrative.)

            Comment by Talbot — April 15, 2016 @ 10:13 am

            • The video definitely blows away the holes in the roof theory….my only difference of opinion is saying the Germans blew up the buildings….doesn’t make sense to me….I feel the Soviets did it to hide the NO Homicidal gas chamber non facts….they couldn’t allow the buildings to survive because it would show they weren’t set up to be homicidal gas chambers only morgues.
              Either way the Soviets would spin it their way and create the homicidal gas chamber myth with or without the buildings in tact.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 10:28 am

            • No holes?

              Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 11:46 am

              • Jeff….I guess you are showing us that there were NO holes…LOL

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 11:51 am

                • Try this, Jim:
                  http://web.archive.org/web/20010302035524/http://www.revisingrevisionism.com/

                  The author tried to present this article to IHR, they didn’t want anything to do with it.
                  So much for open debate, huh?

                  Scroll to the bottom. Widen, don’t click on the pictures.

                  You can read the article (but I doubt you will). The author moved in “revisionist” circles but came to the conclusion that the Holocaust happened.
                  He is critical of Pressac, BTW. So much for the Holocaust lockstep……..

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 12:10 pm

                • I can’t believe you dare bring up Provan’s miserable cracks on here, Jeff. Reynouard’s video above shows what square or rectangular holes look like after the building was blown up: they still look like square or rectangluar holes, not like Provan’s shapeless cracks, not even like anything close to those. Reality deniers, aka Holocaust believers, once again caught raping the laws of physics to suit their narrative and agenda.

                  Comment by hermie — April 15, 2016 @ 8:55 pm

                • Touchy, touchy.

                  I do dare. I wasn’t even aware of the existence of this report until I ran a search. Imagine my surprise.

                  “No holes, no Holocaust.” My ass.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 11:24 pm

                • BTW, what did you think about my rundown of the “revisionist” side? Anything you want to add? A critique?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 11:28 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “I do dare. I wasn’t even aware of the existence of this report until I ran a search. Imagine my surprise.”

                  You could have examined this ‘report’ more carefully. Perhaps that would have prevented you from ridiculing yourself with this pathetic piece of paper.

                  Would Van Pelt have come up with his invisible sealings theory* if there had been credible Zyklon holes anywhere to be found in the collapsed roof of the morgues of Krema II and III?

                  * (According to Mr. Van Pelt, the Nazis supposedly sealed the alleged Zyklon introduction holes of Krema II and III with concrete before blowing up their crematoria. But since no sealing mark can be found and shown today, one must conclude that the Nazis designed a novel and unknown process to seal concrete structures without leaving any visible marks.)

                  Jeff wrote: ““No holes, no Holocaust.” My ass.”

                  I’d rather say “No assholes [and their gullible audiences], no Holocaust.”🙂

                  Pr. Faurisson of course meant “No credible holes in the roof of the morgues of Krema II and III, no Holocaust at Birkenau.” Unsurprisingly, he wasn’t talking about your mother’s holes, even if there would probably a lot to say about that…

                  Jeff wrote: “BTW, what did you think about my rundown of the “revisionist” side? Anything you want to add? A critique?”

                  I haven’t read the whole thing. Want my opinion on a specific point?

                  Comment by hermie — April 16, 2016 @ 7:15 am

                • “You could have examined this ‘report’ more carefully. Perhaps that would have prevented you from ridiculing yourself with this pathetic piece of paper.”

                  I did read it.
                  I found it very interesting, especially the background of the article. The author presented this paper to the IHR and they refused to publish it. So much for open debate and free speech, right?

                  “Would Van Pelt have come up with his invisible sealings theory* if there had been credible Zyklon holes anywhere to be found in the collapsed roof of the morgues of Krema II and III?

                  * (According to Mr. Van Pelt, the Nazis supposedly sealed the alleged Zyklon introduction holes of Krema II and III with concrete before blowing up their crematoria. But since no sealing mark can be found and shown today, one must conclude that the Nazis designed a novel and unknown process to seal concrete structures without leaving any visible marks.)”

                  It would be nice if you linked your source for this. I frequently do this as a courtesy.
                  Now, if it exists in Van Pelt’s various reports, I don’t remember it. Again, please provide your source and if possible link to this source so that I can see it for myself.

                  Jeff wrote: ““No holes, no Holocaust.” My ass.”

                  “I’d rather say “No assholes [and their gullible audiences], no Holocaust.” :-)”

                  You are a funny guy, Hermie.

                  “Pr. Faurisson of course meant “No credible holes in the roof of the morgues of Krema II and III, no Holocaust at Birkenau.” Unsurprisingly, he wasn’t talking about your mother’s holes, even if there would probably a lot to say about that…”

                  Speaking of your mother’s holes, tell her for me it would be nice if she bathed more often.

                  Jeff wrote: “BTW, what did you think about my rundown of the “revisionist” side? Anything you want to add? A critique?”

                  “I haven’t read the whole thing. Want my opinion on a specific point?”

                  I’ve already read your reply. Thank you for your input. I hope you appreciate the fact that I actually do pay attention and I have done my research.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 16, 2016 @ 5:50 pm

                • edit: “even if there would probably be a lot”

                  Comment by hermie — April 16, 2016 @ 7:17 am

                • Jeff wrote: “BTW, what did you think about my rundown of the “revisionist” side? Anything you want to add? A critique?”

                  OK, I see. I had missed it. Now I’ve seen it and I’ve just commented on it.

                  Comment by hermie — April 16, 2016 @ 9:02 am

                • Jeff wrote: “I did read it. I found it very interesting, especially the background of the article. The author presented this paper to the IHR and they refused to publish it. So much for open debate and free speech, right?”

                  Have you already seen many revisionist writings published in mainstream newspapers and magazines? They always claim they’re in favor of free speech, open debate and all the other deceptive catchwords they could devise to depict themselves as free speech organs, but that’s just BS.

                  Jeff wrote: “It would be nice if you linked your source for this. I frequently do this as a courtesy. Now, if it exists in Van Pelt’s various reports, I don’t remember it. Again, please provide your source and if possible link to this source so that I can see it for myself.”

                  Sure.

                  “Today, these four small holes that connected the wire-mesh columns and the chimneys cannot be observed in the ruined remains of the concrete slab. […] What would have remained would have been the four narrow holes and the slab. While there is no certainty in this particular matter, it would have been logical to attach at the location where the columns had been some formwork at the bottom of the gas chamber ceiling, and pour some concrete in the holes and thus restore the slab. ” (Van Pelt report, p. 518, http://www.focal.org/lipstadt/pelt/%20report.pdf)

                  Jeff wrote: “Speaking of your mother’s holes, tell her for me it would be nice if she bathed more often.”

                  Would be less tasty for you.😉

                  Jeff wrote: “I’ve already read your reply. Thank you for your input. I hope you appreciate the fact that I actually do pay attention and I have done my research.”

                  I do appreciate.

                  Comment by hermie — April 17, 2016 @ 11:03 am

                • “Have you already seen many revisionist writings published in mainstream newspapers and magazines? They always claim they’re in favor of free speech, open debate and all the other deceptive catchwords they could devise to depict themselves as free speech organs, but that’s just BS.”

                  Thank you for acknowledging that the IHR is BS.

                  Jeff wrote: “It would be nice if you linked your source for this. I frequently do this as a courtesy. Now, if it exists in Van Pelt’s various reports, I don’t remember it. Again, please provide your source and if possible link to this source so that I can see it for myself.”

                  “Sure.

                  “Today, these four small holes that connected the wire-mesh columns and the chimneys cannot be observed in the ruined remains of the concrete slab. […] What would have remained would have been the four narrow holes and the slab. While there is no certainty in this particular matter, it would have been logical to attach at the location where the columns had been some formwork at the bottom of the gas chamber ceiling, and pour some concrete in the holes and thus restore the slab. ” (Van Pelt report, p. 518, http://www.focal.org/lipstadt/pelt/%20report.pdf)”

                  Your link did not work. However, I have a copy of that report as an ibook so I will take a look at it.

                  Jeff wrote: “Speaking of your mother’s holes, tell her for me it would be nice if she bathed more often.”

                  “Would be less tasty for you. ;-)”

                  I actually prefer your sister.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’ve already read your reply. Thank you for your input. I hope you appreciate the fact that I actually do pay attention and I have done my research.”

                  “I do appreciate.”

                  Well, I didn’t want you to think I wasn’t paying attention.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 17, 2016 @ 11:53 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Thank you for acknowledging that the IHR is BS.”

                  Did I do that? Did I use code words or euphemisms acknowledging such a thing? Did Blobel ‘report’ on me? Whatever. Quite true I don’t have a great opinion of any organization headed by Mark Weber. Probably a vision enabled by your exterminationist mind-reading abilities or something…

                  Jeff wrote: “I actually prefer your sister.”

                  Couldn’t help you on that one. I haven’t seen her for over 10 years.

                  Jeff wrote: “Well, I didn’t want you to think I wasn’t paying attention.”

                  I didn’t think that.

                  Comment by hermie — April 17, 2016 @ 9:10 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Thank you for acknowledging that the IHR is BS.”

                  “Did I do that? Did I use code words or euphemisms acknowledging such a thing? Did Blobel ‘report’ on me? Whatever. Quite true I don’t have a great opinion of any organization headed by Mark Weber.”

                  Is there trouble in denier paradise? You mean you don’t like Mark Weber? But why? He doesn’t like Jews, I figured you would be soul mates.

                  “Probably a vision enabled by your exterminationist mind-reading abilities or something…”

                  I prefer to think of it as the Force.

                  Jeff wrote: “I actually prefer your sister.”

                  Couldn’t help you on that one. I haven’t seen her for over 10 years.

                  That’s somewhat sad. I am estranged from my older sister.

                  Jeff wrote: “Well, I didn’t want you to think I wasn’t paying attention.”

                  I didn’t think that.

                  Well, good. I wouldn’t want you to think I am wasting your time.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 18, 2016 @ 8:38 am

                • Jeff wrote: ” You mean you don’t like Mark Weber? But why? He doesn’t like Jews, I figured you would be soul mates.”

                  Is Mr. Weber anti-Semitic or anti-Zionist, or both? I’m asking this question because the vilifying ‘anti-Semite’ label is often used to prevent any anti-Zionist criticism from being expressed.

                  It’s not that I like or dislike him. In my opinion, a guy who thinks that “the task of exposing and countering this [Jewish-Zionist] power is a crucially important one,” that “[i]n that effort [against Jewish-Zionist power], Holocaust revisionism cannot play a central role” and that “Holocaust revisionism has proved to be as much a hindrance as a help [in the struggle against Jewish-Zionist power]” (‘How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?’ by Mark Weber, January 7, 2009), shouldn’t head a Holocaust revisionist institute like the IHR. If Mark Weber wants to fight against ‘Jewish-Zionist power’, he should leave the IHR and found an organization tasked with that. The IHR’s job is the publication of revisionist writings, not the struggle against ‘Jewish-Zionist power.’ The IHR needs a head who doesn’t think Holocaust revisionism has been “as much a hindrance as a help.”

                  Jeff wrote: “I prefer to think of it as the Force.”

                  With Raul Hilberg as Darth Vader, the ‘father’ of the Force’s dark side.

                  Comment by hermie — April 18, 2016 @ 6:38 pm

            • I can’t get the images to save correctly, I’m pulling this off an archived site. The author is deceased so the website is no longer active.

              http://web.archive.org/web/20010302035524/http://www.revisingrevisionism.com/

              The author, Charles Provan, moved in “revisionist” circles but came to conclude that the Holocaust did happen. He tried to present his paper about the holes in the roof at IHR but they wanted nothing to do with it.

              So, sorry, not a denier win after all.

              Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 12:03 pm

    • Talking about “Experts”….LOL I guess the ones we should rely on are the ones that never visited the camps and have lost any thought of what common sense is.
      We Revisionist have presented our case here plenty of times to show all the out right lies and contradictions from the HoloHuxsters, what else can we do?
      But I will sum it up,
      there were NO 6 million Jews that died during WW2, there were NO homicidal gas chambers or any mass extermination source of their deaths, and finally there was NO written plan from Hitler to exterminate the Jews at all. What did happen?
      There were work camps set up to take the Jews in and use them for forced labor for the German cause as German workers were all tie up fighting the war going on. There was a plan to get the Jews to emigrate out of the country and sent to Madagascar, Israel, and other colonies to rid the German Reich of all partisans and deviants who wanted to destroy Germany from within. Most did leave before 1939 but the ones that stayed were sent to the work camps to keep them out of the way from doing more harm to the Reich through their Communist and sabotage networks.

      Yes, some who stayed died in the process from sickness and disease in the camp network, but no where near 6 million people. Maybe 500,000 but it’s hard to prove any number with all the conflicting information that is presently out there. IRC (Red Cross) said approx 280,000 died in the Auschwitz camps and half of them might of been Jews, my claim. How many died in the Reinhardt camps is a crap shoot because these camps were set up as transit camps and the figures are anyone’s guess, but nothing near the 2 plus million they claim. Of course having NO trace of bodies or remains sure doesn’t help the HoloHuxstes for their high death figures. Many Jews seem to have survived the ordeal of being in the camp system and that number seems to be around 3 million by the fact that is how many have received the extortion money (reparations) for them being in the camps and suffering so much, this is called (working). And all the death marches that they speak of that they survived were actually them going to work or being transferred to other camps for use in the labor pool again. Again Jews didn’t like to work. So lets jump forward to now….
      So we now have HoloHoax survivors going to all the schools and other venues to spread their lies saying how much they suffered in the camps or how some of them survived several “death” camps by miraculous happenings that would make the Old TV Show Fact or Fiction blush with envy. Movies are made books are written and the Jews make a lot of money. They open up HoloHoax Cult worship museums that entertain millions of CULT visitors per year, get a lot of support for their inhumane treating of the Palestinians as they steal their land in the process for what they have suffered at the hands of the Germans 75 years ago. Museums of Death seem to be a big hit these days.

      And to top it all off they make laws that penalize people like myself that live in 19 countries (not the USA ) so far…and counting, from exposing the HoloHoax fraud by any means they can.
      Including what we have to say on websites like this. This alone would be a reason to distrust the HoloHoax lobby because this strong arm tactic would definitely show they have something to hide and protect. Do you know any other topic that can get you jailed for just questioning it? The HoloHoax has even replaced God as where salvation will come from. You can deny God but you can’t deny the Holocaust without severe repercussions or expulsion from those that worship in the HoloHoax Cult.
      So I hope that clarifies why I am a such vehement Holocaust Denier and why I spend EVERY DAY of my life researching and using the information I glean from the thousands of writings and manuscripts and videos out there to let people know what really happened with the event mislabeled as “The Holocaust”….
      The HoloHoax is the biggest SCAM that ever came down the pike and it thrives because STUPID people don’t question it or let themselves be fooled by the nonsense that is being presented by the HoloHuxsters that are spreading their lies.

      Jim Rizoli
      HoloHoax Revisionist and proud of it.

      Comment by jrizoli — April 14, 2016 @ 12:08 pm

      • “Talking about “Experts”….LOL I guess the ones we should rely on are the ones that never visited the camps and have lost any thought of what common sense is.”

        What experts? You mean the self-proclaimed “gas chamber expert” that never built, or designed and had built, a gas chamber? Leuchter’s expertise was in lethal injection systems and the electric chair, not gas chambers. Pressac, Van Pelt, etc. all visited Auschwitz and determined it was an extermination center.

        “We Revisionist have presented our case here plenty of times to show all the out right lies and contradictions from the HoloHuxsters, what else can we do?”

        Well, you could start by actually providing proof that there was some sort of camp system in the Soviet Union the Germans sent the Jews to. That is the prevailing denier hypothesis, right?

        “But I will sum it up,”

        Yay, this should be fun.

        “there were NO 6 million Jews that died during WW2,”

        In a technical sense you are right. Estimates on the amount of Jewish dead range from 4.8 million to 5.9 million. There are some estimates that go over, I’ve seen 6.2 million, but I think 5-6 million is probably closer to the truth.

        “there were NO homicidal gas chambers”

        Really? Pressac, who leaned towards the “revisionist” camp, believed that the Krema were gas chambers. Irving and Cole, both “revisionists,” now believe the Operation Reinhard Camps were extermination centers.

        “or any mass extermination source of their deaths,”

        Deniers seem to believe that humans are hard to kill. The Rwandan Genocide claimed 800,000 dead in much less time than Treblinka was open. The primary weapon? Machetes.

        “and finally there was NO written plan from Hitler to exterminate the Jews at all.”

        Why would you assume that Hitler himself wrote out some type of plan? He left that sort of thing to Himmler, Hitler was busy trying to win the war. Also, signing the Euthanasia Order in October of 1939 returned to bite him badly when GERMAN public opinion turned against the Euthanasia Action.

        “What did happen?”

        Do tell.

        “There were work camps set up to take the Jews in and use them for forced labor for the German cause as German workers were all tie up fighting the war going on.”

        Are you talking about German Jews or foreign Jews?
        Also, the Germans made extensive use of Soviet POWs and forced foreign labor. Where do the Jews fit into that?

        “There was a plan to get the Jews to emigrate out of the country and sent to Madagascar,”

        You do realize that no Jews were ever sent to Madagascar, right?

        “Israel,”

        There was no Isreal until 1948. At that time Palestine was a British Protectorate until the formation of Isreal.

        “and other colonies”

        The allies stripped Germany of her colonies after WW I. Germany possesed no colonies.

        “to rid the German Reich of all partisans”

        There were no partisans in Germany. When we talk about “partisans” during WW II we speak of the irregular fighters in Poland, the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, etc. There were Jewish partisans and even Jewish partisan bands but for the most part the partisans were not Jewish.

        “and deviants who wanted to destroy Germany from within.”

        Yawn. Old and tired argument.

        “Most did leave before 1939 but the ones that stayed were sent to the work camps to keep them out of the way from doing more harm to the Reich through their Communist and sabotage networks.”

        Are you talking about German and Austrian Jews? Or Polish, French, Hungarian, etc. Jews?
        Jim, most German Jews were assimilated patriots. The Germans sent the Polish Jews to ghettos. Most of the work camps in Germany you speak of contained foreign workers, POWs, etc. Not Jews.

        “Yes, some who stayed died in the process from sickness and disease in the camp network, but no where near 6 million people. Maybe 500,000 but it’s hard to prove any number with all the conflicting information that is presently out there.”

        Jim, if you are still talking about German Jews that is the ENTIRE PRE-WAR JEWISH POPULATION IN GERMANY. If you are including the entire Jewish population in Europe, you are, of course, dead wrong.

        “IRC (Red Cross) said approx 280,000 died in the Auschwitz camps and half of them might of been Jews, my claim.”

        Who and what is your source?

        “How many died in the Reinhardt camps is a crap shoot because these camps were set up as transit camps”

        I guess if you want to think of them as transiting the Jews to the afterlife that is rather poetic. Otherwise you have no proof of where the Jews were actually transited to, which means the idea that they were transit camps is baseless.

        “and the figures are anyone’s guess, but nothing near the 2 plus million they claim.”

        Well, we do have the Hoefle Telegram and Koeher’s report. Neither of which mention destinations for those “sifted” through those camps so all those camps are final destinations. Are deniers saying that some 1.5 million people hung out there until the camps were raised? It must have been very cramped.

        “Of course having NO trace of bodies or remains sure doesn’t help the HoloHuxstes for their high death figures.”

        Well, it depends on what you call “remains.” Bone fragments and ash certainly qualify.

        “Many Jews seem to have survived the ordeal of being in the camp system and that number seems to be around 3 million by the fact that is how many have received the extortion money (reparations) for them being in the camps and suffering so much, this is called (working).”

        More rhetoric, no proof. In other words, yawn.

        “And all the death marches that they speak of that they survived were actually them going to work or being transferred to other camps for use in the labor pool again. Again Jews didn’t like to work.”

        😂😂😂😂😂😆😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

        Sorry. I lost control of myself. I’m back.
        Thank you for the stupid “Jews don’t like to work” goofy stereotype. One of things that struck the Germans when they invaded Poland was how HARD the Polish Jews worked. Of course, that didn’t stop them from killing them……..

        “So lets jump forward to now….”

        Oh, goody. Let’s do that.

        “So we now have HoloHoax survivors going to all the schools and other venues to spread their lies saying how much they suffered in the camps or how some of them survived several “death” camps by miraculous happenings that would make the Old TV Show Fact or Fiction blush with envy. Movies are made books are written and the Jews make a lot of money. They open up HoloHoax Cult worship museums that entertain millions of CULT visitors per year, get a lot of support for their inhumane treating of the Palestinians as they steal their land in the process for what they have suffered at the hands of the Germans 75 years ago. Museums of Death seem to be a big hit these days.”

        I’m sure you had a point. Somewhere.

        “And to top it all off they make laws that penalize people like myself that live in 19 countries (not the USA ) so far…and counting, from exposing the HoloHoax fraud by any means they can.”

        Actually, from what I understand about these laws it is more about disseminating hate speech. I need to look into this further.

        “Including what we have to say on websites like this.”

        This is actually a “blog.”

        “This alone would be a reason to distrust the HoloHoax lobby because this strong arm tactic would definitely show they have something to hide and protect. Do you know any other topic that can get you jailed for just questioning it? The HoloHoax has even replaced God as where salvation will come from. You can deny God but you can’t deny the Holocaust without severe repercussions or expulsion from those that worship in the HoloHoax Cult.”

        Yet this blog still exists. You can also post your videos on YouTube. You can download the so-called “Holocaust Handbooks” for free.

        “So I hope that clarifies why I am a such vehement Holocaust Denier and why I spend EVERY DAY of my life researching and using the information I glean from the thousands of writings and manuscripts and videos out there to let people know what really happened with the event mislabeled as “The Holocaust”….”

        What it clarifies is that you have a really piss poor understanding of history. No offense.

        “The HoloHoax is the biggest SCAM that ever came down the pike and it thrives because STUPID people don’t question it or let themselves be fooled by the nonsense that is being presented by the HoloHuxsters that are spreading their lies.”

        Now, that sort of hurts.

        Jim Rizoli
        HoloHoax Revisionist and proud of it.

        You be loud and proud, Jim.

        Comment by Jeff K. — April 14, 2016 @ 5:05 pm

        • “raised”

          Edit:
          razed

          Comment by Jeff K. — April 14, 2016 @ 5:16 pm

          • For all the HoloHuxster liars out there…..
            http://ccfiile.com/Holocaust_Liars.html

            Jim Rizoli

            Comment by jrizoli — April 14, 2016 @ 6:00 pm

            • Very old schtick, Jim. Find something new.

              Comment by Jeff K. — April 14, 2016 @ 7:07 pm

              • Jeff…. like the things that you say are new….
                It’s okay for you to rehash the same old “garbage” but I can’t. At least my stuff makes sense and is based on facts and not lies by the Holohuxsters who couldn’t think of anything better to say except the lies of others.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — April 14, 2016 @ 7:21 pm

                • No, what is tiring is you continue to peddle old, ridiculous rumors that were proved as such: rumors.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 7:03 am

                • Please quote one “rumor” that has been proved to be a rumor.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 15, 2016 @ 7:30 am

                • Jeff you say what I say is Not true…
                  I would say if there was a vote here no doubt I’ve made my case and my case has been proven factually and the Holohoax event that you are behind didn’t happen the way you claim it did… your case is worth nothing not even the paper it’s written on.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — April 15, 2016 @ 8:10 am

                • “Jeff you say what I say is Not true…
                  I would say if there was a vote here no doubt I’ve made my case and my case has been proven factually and the Holohoax event that you are behind didn’t happen the way you claim it did… your case is worth nothing not even the paper it’s written on.”

                  Well, as this is a denier blog I would say that yes, most people that post here believe what you say.

                  However, in the real world I say no.

                  Regurgitating old rumors does not prove anything, Jim. I think it is rather silly.

                  For example, you still can’t prove the Operation Reinhard Camps were transit camps. Try your hand at that instead of blathering on and on about boiled Jews.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 8:18 am

                • You wrote: “you still can’t prove the Operation Reinhard Camps were transit camps.”

                  What kind of proof do you want? I wrote several blog posts about these camps, including this one:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/01/12/operation-reinhardt-or-operation-reinhard/

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 15, 2016 @ 8:38 am

                • I’ve read all of your blogs on these camps. Saying that the Bug River is shallow enough to cross or that some random Jews popped up years later is not proof.

                  We are dealing with a very specific time table. Mass deportations began in Poland in the Summer of 1942, corresponding with the opening of the Operation Reinhard Camps in the Spring and Summer of 1942. At the same time the Germans began Case Blue, the military campaign into the Southern Soviet Union to capture the Soviet oil fields. Hitler also shifted military forces North to Leningrad, causing a bit of a traffic tie up.

                  I’ve already posted Kube’s memo regarding his desire NOT to have any Jews sent into the Soviet. He spoke about ELIMINATING Soviet Jews and threatened to do the same to any unauthorized transports. Mattagono and Graf believe the document is genuine, using it to bolster their argument that Treblinka was a transit camp. The reality is that it does the complete opposite.

                  So, knowing everything that I’ve just written, how is the argument that the Operation Reinhard Camps were transit camps even valid?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 15, 2016 @ 8:56 am

                • This was not the first time that the Nazis chased the Jews across the Bug river. I wrote about this on this previous blog post.
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/in-darkness-a-new-holocaust-film-opening-soon-at-a-theater-near-you/

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 15, 2016 @ 9:25 am

        • D: Diane J: Jim [Jeff]

          D: OK, Jeff. I thought I’d weigh in in this conversation between you and Jim. To start out, I believe your position is laughable and worthy of another TALBOT TALE. I hope he takes this on. As they say, in regard to your spouting and sharing your ignorance, despite the mountain of evidence presented, maybe silence from you would be better. “It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth (or writing below) and remove all doubt.”

          D” Irving, Cole and Weber have capitulated on the facts, we think they and their families have been threatened. However, when I asked PERSONALLY asked Weber how could 2 million be killed in Treblinka. He answered, “I don’t know.” When David Irving was asked, he said, “I don’t know and I don’t care.” They had no answer on the mechanics. (I have a problem with that.)

          [Deniers seem to believe that humans are hard to kill. The Rwandan Genocide claimed 800,000 dead in much less time than Treblinka was open. The primary weapon? Machetes.]

          D: Holohoaxers have a fetish with magic numbers. They think that because they spout FANTASTIC exaggerations REGARDLESS of the truth, REGARDLESS OF THE POSSIBILITIES … THAT THE NUMBERS ARE REAL. No matter how much the deaths are reduced, the cabalistic number of 6 million remains the same. I would think that the continued tallying down the numbers of deaths would be worth celebrating – WASN’T AS BAD AS YOU FEARED, but OH NO, have to maintain the 6 million NO MATTER WHAT (more if you can get away with it). THAT’S A TWISTED, SICK approach, and by the uniquely jewish. NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS. No other group of people moan and groan about their eternal victim status about an alleged nonsensical, nonexistent crime where more survived, number wise, than actually lived were in the Reich, and that the numbers of so-called survivors increase exponentially every year like self-fertilized pod people.

          J: “and finally there was NO written plan from Hitler to exterminate the Jews at all.”

          [Why would you assume that Hitler himself wrote out some type of plan? He left that sort of thing to Himmler, Hitler was busy trying to win the war. Also, signing the Euthanasia Order in October of 1939 returned to bite him badly when GERMAN public opinion turned against the Euthanasia Action.
          “What did happen?”]

          D: A huge, HUGE REACH. First of all, there was no extermination plan. The Germans are being credited with huge efficiency skills. If they were so efficient, they wouldn’t have rounded up jews in Poland (and others, by the way) to transport them hundreds of miles across Poland to set them up in a camp with facilities, kitchen, barracks, hospital, to kill them. They were a dictatorship. What did they care about world opinion. They’d have executed them like the Russians had executed their own – IN THEIR HOMES, IN THEIR TOWNS. In Warsaw, for example, the huge annoyance they were to the Germans, had the Germans wanted to exterminate them, they would have set up machine guns at the mouth and mowed them all down as they came down NOT transport ANY to the camps. (Yes, I realize a number of jews in the ghetto died during the uprising for… shooting at Germans??? (OH NO!) No, there was no FINAL SOLUTION plan other than to deal with the emigration of the rest of the jews in the Reich after the war.

          J: There were work camps set up to take the Jews in and use them for forced labor for the German cause as German workers were all tie up fighting the war going on.” “There was a plan to get the Jews to emigrate out of the country and sent to Madagascar,”

          D: The Transfer Agreement shipped nearly 500,000 jews with their wealth to Palestine. Jim knows this but the original plan was to Madagascar, something I still advocate ONLY if no one lives there.

          [You do realize that no Jews were ever sent to Madagascar, right? Israel,]

          J: “to rid the German Reich of all partisans”

          [There were no partisans in Germany. When we talk about “partisans” during WW II we speak of the irregular fighters in Poland, the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, etc. There were Jewish partisans and even Jewish partisan bands but for the most part the partisans were not Jewish. “and deviants who wanted to destroy Germany from within.”]

          D: MOST OF THE PARTISANS WERE IN FACT JEWS..

          J: “Yes, some who stayed died in the process from sickness and disease in the camp network, but no where near 6 million people. Maybe 500,000 but it’s hard to prove any number with all the conflicting information that is presently out there.”

          [Jim, if you are still talking about German Jews that is the ENTIRE PRE-WAR JEWISH POPULATION IN GERMANY. If you are including the entire Jewish population in Europe, you are, of course, dead wrong.]

          J: “IRC (Red Cross) said approx 280,000 died in the Auschwitz camps and half of them might of been Jews, my claim.” Who and what is your source?
          “How many died in the Reinhardt camps is a crap shoot because these camps were set up as transit camps”

          [I guess if you want to think of them as transiting the Jews to the afterlife that is rather poetic. Otherwise you have no proof of where the Jews were actually transited to, which means the idea that they were transit camps is baseless.“and the figures are anyone’s guess, but nothing near the 2 plus million they claim.”]

          D: Good grief, Jeff. Hogwash. You have no proof the jews were NOT transited somewhere. Just because you want millions of jews to have been killed doesn’t make it so.

          [Well, we do have the Hoefle Telegram and Koeher’s report. Neither of which mention destinations for those “sifted” through those camps so all those camps are final destinations. Are deniers saying that some 1.5 million people hung out there until the camps were raised? It must have been very cramped.]

          D: When Irving was in his right man in his younger years, he totally debunked this ‘telegram’ as a reliable source for anything.

          J: “Of course having NO trace of bodies or remains sure doesn’t help the HoloHuxstes for their high death figures.”

          [Well, it depends on what you call “remains.” Bone fragments and ash certainly qualify.]

          D: Qualify as what. Some were executed for violating camp rules. Some died from disease, especially 1942 and toward the end of the war. Some were buried (not those infected with typhus), most were cremated. With this volume of people and action and war, there might be some bone fragments here and there and definitely some ash, but not to the extent you state.

          J: “Many Jews seem to have survived the ordeal of being in the camp system and that number seems to be around 3 million by the fact that is how many have received the extortion money (reparations) for them being in the camps and suffering so much, this is called (working).” “And all the death marches that they speak of that they survived were actually them going to work or being transferred to other camps for use in the labor pool again. Again Jews didn’t like to work.”

          D: Not to mention that I have heard and seen referenced the trek away from the invading Soviet armies as the DEATH MARCH, the escape from eastern Poland, taking the camp inmates and anyone who wanted to go along (which by the way Wiesel chose to accompany the Germans instead of wait for the Russians)… sheesh – can’t please these people.

          [Thank you for the stupid “Jews don’t like to work” goofy stereotype. One of things that struck the Germans when they invaded Poland was how HARD the Polish Jews worked. Of course, that didn’t stop them from killing them … ]

          D: PUH-LEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE! Had the Germans wanted to kill them, exterminate the jews, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The Allies found the German scientists were 50 YEARS AHEAD OF THEIR TIME. How difficult would it have been to have exterminated the jewish population in the Reich, had they wanted to. Obviously, despite the pain in the *** they were for 109 nations over the past 500 some years, the Germans just WANTED THEM OUT OF THE REICH!

          J: “So we now have HoloHoax survivors going to all the schools and other venues to spread their lies saying how much they suffered in the camps or how some of them survived several “death” camps by miraculous happenings that would make the Old TV Show Fact or Fiction blush with envy. Movies are made books are written and the Jews make a lot of money. They open up HoloHoax Cult worship museums that entertain millions of CULT visitors per year, get a lot of support for their inhumane treating of the Palestinians as they steal their land in the process for what they have suffered at the hands of the Germans 75 years ago. Museums of Death seem to be a big hit these days.”

          J: And to top it all off they make laws that penalize people like myself that live in 19 countries (not the USA ) so far…and counting, from exposing the HoloHoax fraud by any means they can.”

          [Actually, from what I understand about these laws it is more about disseminating hate speech. I need to look into this further.
          “Including what we have to say on websites like this.]

          D: ANY advocacy for or about National Socialist Germany, questioning ANY OR ALL of the aspects of the holohoax, results in a direct shot to jail. We know a number of people who have been victimized by this draconian job in Europe. I know most of these people personally.

          D: Ursula Haverbeck: An 87-year-old woman who decries on German TV NO SUCH THING AS THE HOLOCAUST. She was eventually sentenced to a year in prison, yet to be served. (Even the heartless German gov’t are hesitant to drag the little old lady into prison).

          D: Ernst Zundel: Publisher in Canada, brought to trial for DID 6 MILLION REALLY DIE. Two trials and about $1 million later, he left Canada, married an American, settled in TN. Was kidnapped by immigration officials, sequestered in some unknown jail for 2 weeks before (even his wife didn’t know what had happened to him – likely very similar to her existence in the Ukraine under Soviet starvation and execution tactics) he was deported to Canada. He was first in the horrible prison of Thorold in St. Catharine’s Ontario then West Detention, Ontario for 2 years. Then deported back to Germany where he had already been tried but they went through the pretense of a trial and sentenced to 5 years in Germany, prohibited from returning to the states until 2025.

          D: Sylvia Stolz: Attorney jailed for defending her client, Ernst Zundel – can’t even defend your client.

          D: I could continue with more, but I’ve already thrown these pearls …. How dare you minimize the suffering of those who maintain an opinion different than yours. Over 100,000 Germans have been imprisoned for their opinion that is counter to the evil politically correct. WE INVITE DISCUSSION – YOU HOLOHOAX TYRANTS INSIST ON CENSORSHIP AT THE VERY LEAST!

          J: “This alone would be a reason to distrust the HoloHoax lobby because this strong arm tactic would definitely show they have something to hide and protect. Do you know any other topic that can get you jailed for just questioning it? The HoloHoax has even replaced God as where salvation will come from. You can deny God but you can’t deny the Holocaust without severe repercussions or expulsion from those that worship in the HoloHoax Cult.”
          Yet this blog still exists. You can also post your videos on YouTube. You can download the so-called “Holocaust Handbooks” for free.

          J: So I hope that clarifies why I am a such vehement Holocaust Denier and why I spend EVERY DAY of my life researching and using the information I glean from the thousands of writings and manuscripts and videos out there to let people know what really happened with the event mislabeled as “The Holocaust”….

          [What it clarifies is that you have a really piss poor understanding of history. No offense.]

          D: Well, then if you have such a handle on history, Jeff and Jim doesn’t, why can’t you put together the obvious conclusions – you have some vested interest in maintaining the holohoax story? Kick backs from the oppressive HH lobby? You on their payroll? We have nothing to gain by promoting something the majority rejects, but if it’s true, as we contend and maintain that it is, it is worth coming up against the ignorant – those who are ignorant for lack of info and then like you – ignorant by choice despite the mountain of evidence Jim and FG and others have presented to you and Wolf. Jim and the others have the RIGHT handle on history. If you have a knowledge of history but it has been filtered through POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, YOU are deceived and those who listen to you. You can have a million of the wrong things … doesn’t make it right. Jim is an informed publicist of the Third Reich and the truth in history regarding the myths of holocaustomania and I’m an advocate.

          “The HoloHoax is the biggest SCAM that ever came down the pike and it thrives because STUPID people don’t question it or let themselves be fooled by the nonsense that is being presented by the HoloHuxsters that are spreading their lies.”

          Jim Rizoli
          HoloHoax Revisionist and proud of it.

          You be loud and proud, Jim.

          Diane King
          I’d like to add that Jim (and I) are THERE-IS-NO-WAY-IN-HELL-THIS-EVER-HAPPENED HOLOCAUST DENIER…. and proud of it.

          “….. The Jews, a headstrong, moody, murm’ring race,
          As ever tri’d th’extent and stretch of grace;
          God’s pamper’d people whom, debauch’d with ease,
          No king could govern, nor no God could please …..”

          Absalom and Achitophel, John Dryden (1631-1700)

          Comment by Diane King — April 14, 2016 @ 7:19 pm

          • “D: OK, Jeff. I thought I’d weigh in in this conversation between you and Jim.”

            Oh, goody.

            “To start out, I believe your position is laughable”

            What is laughable is denier claims. But please, continue.

            “and worthy of another TALBOT TALE. I hope he takes this on. As they say, in regard to your spouting and sharing your ignorance, despite the mountain of evidence presented, maybe silence from you would be better.”

            Maybe you and Jim should take your own advice.

            “It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth (or writing below) and remove all doubt.”

            Again, good advice for you and Jim to follow, Diane.

            “D” Irving, Cole and Weber have capitulated on the facts, we think they and their families have been threatened.”

            What is more likely is that they figured out the whole “transit camp” thing is kinda ridiculous if the transit camp has no destination.

            “However, when I asked PERSONALLY asked Weber how could 2 million be killed in Treblinka. He answered, “I don’t know.” When David Irving was asked, he said, “I don’t know and I don’t care.” They had no answer on the mechanics. (I have a problem with that.)”

            Well, they can’t answer that because 2 million people didn’t die at Treblinka. Maybe if you asked them how 800,000 people died they could answer you.
            What is more likely is that as former deniers they can’t say “gas chambers” without vomiting and feeling dizzy.
            To be completely fair I believe Cole was threatened in some way by the ADL. If that is true I hope that the perpetrators are currently rotting in prison. However, Cole continues to say that the Operation Reinhard Camps were extermination camps 20 years after this incident.

            [Deniers seem to believe that humans are hard to kill. The Rwandan Genocide claimed 800,000 dead in much less time than Treblinka was open. The primary weapon? Machetes.]

            “D: Holohoaxers have a fetish with magic numbers. They think that because they spout FANTASTIC exaggerations REGARDLESS of the truth, REGARDLESS OF THE POSSIBILITIES … THAT THE NUMBERS ARE REAL. No matter how much the deaths are reduced, the cabalistic number of 6 million remains the same.”

            No it doesn’t. Only deniers cling hopelessly to the whole “6 million” like a baby with a binky. Reitlinger gave a number of 4.8 million, Hilberg 5.1 million, Snyder 5.5 million. Read a real book not written by a denier, Diane. It might do you some good.

            “I would think that the continued tallying down the numbers of deaths would be worth celebrating – WASN’T AS BAD AS YOU FEARED, but OH NO, have to maintain the 6 million NO MATTER WHAT (more if you can get away with it). THAT’S A TWISTED, SICK approach, and by the uniquely jewish. NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS. No other group of people moan and groan about their eternal victim status about an alleged nonsensical, nonexistent crime where more survived, number wise, than actually lived were in the Reich, and that the numbers of so-called survivors increase exponentially every year like self-fertilized pod people.”

            See above Diane. Again, real book not written by a denier. It would do you some good.

            J: “and finally there was NO written plan from Hitler to exterminate the Jews at all.”

            [Why would you assume that Hitler himself wrote out some type of plan? He left that sort of thing to Himmler, Hitler was busy trying to win the war. Also, signing the Euthanasia Order in October of 1939 returned to bite him badly when GERMAN public opinion turned against the Euthanasia Action.
            “What did happen?”]

            “D: A huge, HUGE REACH. First of all, there was no extermination plan. The Germans are being credited with huge efficiency skills.”

            You mean the same efficiency skills that led them to invade the Soviet Union without properly equipping their soldiers for the winter? Yes, that’s real efficient.

            “If they were so efficient, they wouldn’t have rounded up jews in Poland (and others, by the way) to transport them hundreds of miles across Poland to set them up in a camp with facilities, kitchen, barracks, hospital, to kill them.”

            Yet, allegedly, according to denier theories, the Germans transported millions of Jews into the Soviet Union. How does that make any sense?

            “They were a dictatorship. What did they care about world opinion.”

            Nice to see you admit that old Adolph was a dictator.
            The Nazis did care about GERMAN public opinion. That public opinion expressed a great deal of opposition to the Euthanasia Program, the first Nazi foray into genocide. Why invite internal and external opposition?

            “They’d have executed them like the Russians had executed their own – IN THEIR HOMES, IN THEIR TOWNS.”

            The Holocaust started that way, Diane. The Einsatzgruppen, Order Police, SS cavalry and local proxies shot large numbers of Jews after the invasion of the Soviet Union. However, shooting large numbers of unarmed civilians, including women and children, proved problematic. That’s where the switch to gassing began.

            “In Warsaw, for example, the huge annoyance they were to the Germans, had the Germans wanted to exterminate them, they would have set up machine guns at the mouth and mowed them all down as they came down NOT transport ANY to the camps”

            And invited armed opposition much sooner than the ghetto uprising in the Spring of 1943. This also would have prevented the continued use of able-bodied Jews as labor.

            “(Yes, I realize a number of jews in the ghetto died during the uprising for… shooting at Germans???
            (OH NO!)”

            Well, the ghetto Jews had valid reasons for fighting back, Diane. Better to go down fighting than dying like sick dogs in a gas chamber, especially if you might get away during the fighting.

            “No, there was no FINAL SOLUTION plan other than to deal with the emigration of the rest of the jews in the Reich after the war.”

            Yes, but where did they go DURING the war, Diane? Inquiring minds want to know.

            “J: There were work camps set up to take the Jews in and use them for forced labor for the German cause as German workers were all tie up fighting the war going on.” “There was a plan to get the Jews to emigrate out of the country and sent to Madagascar,”

            No Jews during the war, Diane. Wasn’t possible.

            “D: The Transfer Agreement shipped nearly 500,000 jews with their wealth to Palestine. Jim knows this but the original plan was to Madagascar, something I still advocate ONLY if no one lives there.”

            That’s nice. So, where did the other 8.5 million European Jews go during the war?
            How nice of you to want to ship Jews to a tropical sinkhole. Any idea of how they would survive?

            [You do realize that no Jews were ever sent to Madagascar, right? Israel,]

            J: “to rid the German Reich of all partisans”

            [There were no partisans in Germany. When we talk about “partisans” during WW II we speak of the irregular fighters in Poland, the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, etc. There were Jewish partisans and even Jewish partisan bands but for the most part the partisans were not Jewish. “and deviants who wanted to destroy Germany from within.”]

            “D: MOST OF THE PARTISANS WERE IN FACT JEWS..”

            No they weren’t, Diane. But feel free to provide proof if you have any.

            “D: Good grief, Jeff. Hogwash. You have no proof the jews were NOT transited somewhere. Just because you want millions of jews to have been killed doesn’t make it so.”

            I don’t want millions of Jews dead, Diane.
            It’s not up to me to prove that the Jews were transited somewhere. That’s a denier theory. However, I think it’s crap because it in no way deals with the conditions of the Eastern front in any realistic way.

            [Well, we do have the Hoefle Telegram and Koeher’s report. Neither of which mention destinations for those “sifted” through those camps so all those camps are final destinations. Are deniers saying that some 1.5 million people hung out there until the camps were raised? It must have been very cramped.]

            “D: When Irving was in his right man in his younger years, he totally debunked this ‘telegram’ as a reliable source for anything.”

            No, Irving actually bases his belief that the camps were extermination centers based on Goebbel’s diary and the Hoefle Telegram.
            Holy crap, why do I have to tell YOU that? Aren’t part of Irving’s fan club?

            [Well, it depends on what you call “remains.” Bone fragments and ash certainly qualify.]

            “D: Qualify as what. Some were executed for violating camp rules. Some died from disease, especially 1942”

            Are we talking about Auschwitz? Or the Reinhard Camps?

            “and toward the end of the war.”

            Ok, Auschwitz, then. The Reinhard Camps closed and were razed in 1943.

            “Some were buried (not those infected with typhus), most were cremated.”

            Right about that but you forgot to include the ones the Nazis gassed.

            “With this volume of people and action and war, there might be some bone fragments here and there and definitely some ash, but not to the extent you state.”

            When the Poles investigated the Reinhard Camps at the end of the war they found ash pits, ash heaps, partially burned corpses, bones and graves. The Soviets found the same at Auschwitz when they “liberated” the camp. Sounds like enough ash to me.

            “D: Not to mention that I have heard and seen referenced the trek away from the invading Soviet armies as the DEATH MARCH, the escape from eastern Poland, taking the camp inmates and anyone who wanted to go along (which by the way Wiesel chose to accompany the Germans instead of wait for the Russians)… sheesh – can’t please these people.”

            I thought deniers believe that Wiesel is a fraud. So, which is it, he was there and volunteered to go? Or he was never there?
            Again, you are stuck on Auschwitz. There were multiple death marches from many camps, not just Auschwitz.

            Part I…….

            Comment by Jeff K. — April 14, 2016 @ 8:14 pm

          • “D: PUH-LEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE! Had the Germans wanted to kill them, exterminate the jews, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.”

            Well, they did give it the old college try, Diane.
            That’s a ridiculous argument, BTW. Just because people survived doesn’t mean that there was no Holocaust. It just means the Germans ran out of time.

            “The Allies found the German scientists were 50 YEARS AHEAD OF THEIR TIME.”

            Pure nonsense. Granted the Germans were ahead on some things but I’ll remind you that the US developed the atomic bomb, the British actually made better use of radar and the Soviets had a better tank, the T-34.

            “How difficult would it have been to have exterminated the jewish population in the Reich, had they wanted to.”

            The Polish, Soviet and Hungarian Jews suffered the most, Diane. You obviously keep forgetting that.

            “Obviously, despite the pain in the *** they were for 109 nations over the past 500 some years, the Germans just WANTED THEM OUT OF THE REICH!”

            Yet most of the Jews that died were foreign Jews.

            “D: ANY advocacy for or about National Socialist Germany”

            Why would anyone advocate for the National Socialists? You said yourself it was a dictatorship.

            “questioning ANY OR ALL of the aspects of the holohoax, results in a direct shot to jail.”

            I think they have to be tried first, Diane.

            “We know a number of people who have been victimized by this draconian job in Europe. I know most of these people personally.”

            Well then, I hope you sent each and every one of them a fruit basket.

            Part II………

            Comment by Jeff K. — April 14, 2016 @ 8:32 pm

          • “D: Well, then if you have such a handle on history, Jeff and Jim doesn’t, why can’t you put together the obvious conclusions – you have some vested interest in maintaining the holohoax story? Kick backs from the oppressive HH lobby? You on their payroll?”

            That’s hysterical, Diane. Paranoid, much?
            No, I work for the State of Oklahoma. History is a hobby, nothing more. It’s better than some of the things I used to do in my misspent youth. I’m now an old married guy with a mortgage, a wife and a couple of kids. So no, I’m on no one’s payroll. Sorry to disappoint you.

            “We have nothing to gain by promoting something the majority rejects, but if it’s true, as we contend and maintain that it is, it is worth coming up against the ignorant – those who are ignorant for lack of info and then like you – ignorant by choice despite the mountain of evidence Jim and FG and others have presented to you and Wolf.”

            It’s sad that you are trying to convince a HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR that the Holocaust didn’t happen.

            “Jim and the others have the RIGHT handle on history.”

            No, not really.

            “If you have a knowledge of history but it has been filtered through POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, YOU are deceived and those who listen to you. You can have a million of the wrong things … doesn’t make it right. Jim is an informed publicist of the Third Reich and the truth in history regarding the myths of holocaustomania and I’m an advocate.”

            That’s funny, are you working on a stand up routine?

            “The HoloHoax is the biggest SCAM that ever came down the pike and it thrives because STUPID people don’t question it or let themselves be fooled by the nonsense that is being presented by the HoloHuxsters that are spreading their lies.”

            Jim Rizoli
            HoloHoax Revisionist and proud of it.

            You be loud and proud, Jim.

            “Diane King
            I’d like to add that Jim (and I) are THERE-IS-NO-WAY-IN-HELL-THIS-EVER-HAPPENED HOLOCAUST DENIER…. and proud of it.”

            Good for you. Everyone needs a hobby. I guess it’s better than doing drugs.
            Finished. Holy crap, Diane. You and Jim really need to learn that less is more. My fingers are sore.

            Comment by Jeff K. — April 14, 2016 @ 8:43 pm

  5. Talking about faking pictures how about faking events..you know blame the Germans for everything.
    Nordhausen : The Epitome of the Big Lie
    http://questioningtheholocaust.com/
    Scroll down to bottom to see Nordhausen video.

    Me Exposing Dario Gabbai….

    Jim Rizoli
    CCFIILE.COM
    IHR.ORG
    VHO.ORG

    Comment by jrizoli — April 13, 2016 @ 10:06 am

  6. The truth is, of course, that we don’t know if these women who appear in the image are genuine former inmates or not. I suspect not – because the real survivors would have all been transferred out of Birkenau by the time that a newsreel/photo team had arrived to start re-enacting conditions inside the camp.

    Most of the former inmates would be in a fairly grim condition by the time the Red Army arrived, and would need to be immediately hospitalised, or at least given health checks and professional care at Soviet and Polish casualty treatment centres located nearby. Nothing functioned at all at Birkenau after the Germans had evacuated the camp, and thus there was no electricity, food, medicines, water, or sewage disposal system in place in which to serve all these suspiciously elderly-looking women we see in the above image.

    My hunch, is that the Poles advertised for local Polish women over the age of 50 to volunteer for a temporary acting career; and they then brought them to Birkenau in buses; and afterwards gave them each a handful of Zlotty and some coupons for extra rations.

    Comment by Talbot — April 13, 2016 @ 9:40 am

    • The Germans left behind 7,000 prisoners. Most of these prisoners were ill and dying.
      I can’t find details on what happened to these prisoners after a cursory search but I suspect you are right, Talbot. Most likely after some initial treatment the Soviets sent any survivors to field hospitals or Polish hospitals if the inmates needed additional treatment.
      You’ll note that some of the women are wearing striped uniforms. Those were standard uniforms concentration camp prisoners wore. It is possible that these women scrounged the warm clothing from a warehouse, the Germans left warehouses full of clothing when they left (they did set fire to some of the warehouses). There was a gap of a couple days when the Germans left and the Soviets arrived and the prisoners were left to themselves.
      I don’t know where the photograph is from. There is no context but it is irritating when anyone misuses photographs to depict something that is not reality. Photos from the liberation of Dachau or Bergen-Belsen are frequently used to describe the Holocaust when in reality that had nothing to do with it.

      Comment by Jeff K. — April 13, 2016 @ 12:23 pm

      • Jeff….. I’m impressed, we must be rubbing off on you.

        Jim Rizoli

        Comment by jrizoli — April 13, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

        • That’s funny, Jim.
          I have a strong distaste for anyone who warps history for their own ends……I mean Holocaust deniers in particular.
          That being said, I also don’t like well meaning but ignorant journalists misusing old pictures that deceive their reading public.

          Comment by Jeff K. — April 13, 2016 @ 12:56 pm

          • Jeff……Unlike all you HoloHuxsters who have been doing do for the last 75 years….

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — April 13, 2016 @ 1:15 pm

            • I, uh, what?

              Comment by Jeff K. — April 13, 2016 @ 1:19 pm

          • Jeff K states “I have a strong distaste for anyone who warps history for their own ends.” Well, Jeff must be totally disgusted and revolted by the shameless exploitation of the fraudulent atrocity propaganda by the Holocaust Industry.

            Comment by John Mortl — April 13, 2016 @ 5:17 pm

            • You would think so…. Jeff seems to think the Nazis were the bad guys while the Americans and British were the nice guys.
              He also feels that we Revisionist are the bad guys and his Holohuxsters are angels.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — April 13, 2016 @ 5:22 pm

              • “You would think so…. Jeff seems to think the Nazis were the bad guys while the Americans and British were the nice guys.”

                Only a child thinks that way. I’m not a child. The allies and Soviets had their own faults.

                “He also feels that we Revisionist are the bad guys and his Holohuxsters are angels.”

                I don’t believe that either.
                Your world is very black and white, isn’t it?

                Comment by Jeff K. — April 13, 2016 @ 5:41 pm

                • Jeff the real world is black and white its either true or it’s not so I don’t know what color world you are for maybe you’re from the rainbow world.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — April 13, 2016 @ 5:43 pm

                • “Jeff the real world is black and white its either true or it’s not so I don’t know what color world you are for maybe you’re from the rainbow world.”

                  Jim, the real world isn’t black and white. Nothing is completely good or evil. Stalin raised the literacy rates in the Soviet Union. Hitler put Germany back to work. So on and so forth……

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 13, 2016 @ 6:02 pm

            • “Jeff K states “I have a strong distaste for anyone who warps history for their own ends.” Well, Jeff must be totally disgusted and revolted by the shameless exploitation of the fraudulent atrocity propaganda by the Holocaust Industry.”

              No, I’m disgusted by those who warp history and shame those who died. I’m disgusted by those who idealize a moribund ideology that led to the deaths of millions, not only Jews.

              I hope I made myself clear………

              Comment by Jeff K. — April 13, 2016 @ 5:36 pm

              • Jeff the good news is there weren’t as many Jews who died as you think so I don’t know why you’re getting all worked up about it. The Holohucksters still want you to believe that Millions upon millions of them died that’s not the case at all maybe at the most 500,000 and that’s probably being generous with that. I would think more Germans died than Jews.
                I wish the Germans were more efficient or as efficient as you say but they weren’t so we have to deal with it.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — April 13, 2016 @ 5:39 pm

                • “Jeff the good news is there weren’t as many Jews who died as you think so I don’t know why you’re getting all worked up about it. The Holohucksters still want you to believe that Millions upon millions of them died that’s not the case at all maybe at the most 500,000 and that’s probably being generous with that. I would think more Germans died than Jews.”

                  I don’t know where you are getting your numbers.

                  “I wish the Germans were more efficient or as efficient as you say but they weren’t so we have to deal with it.”

                  I don’t know why you are a Holocaust denier. Hitler and the Nazis had the ability and will to do exactly what you want to. They put into action a plan to murder Jews, you only wish to do it.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 13, 2016 @ 6:07 pm

                • You wrote: “I don’t know why you are a Holocaust denier. Hitler and the Nazis had the ability and will to do exactly what you want to. They put into action a plan to murder Jews, you only wish to do it.”

                  I can tell you why Jim is a “Holocaust denier.” He has interviewed the two most famous experts on the Holocaust: Fred Leuchter and Garmar Rudolf. These experts have explained everything at great length.

                  Germar used to answer questions from newbs in e-mail. I don’t know if he still does that, but you could try e-mailing him.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 14, 2016 @ 8:38 am

              • Jeff K and company “….disgusted by those who warp history and shame those who died.” Again it’s the Holocaust Lobby that distorts the reality of the actual casualties of WWII. The Lobby has managed to change the feel good myth of why we went to war to emphasizing the exaggerated suffering of the European Jewry at the expense of those who suffered much more. Just as is presently being done in Palestine, where the bought and paid for media would have you believe that ten Jews are being killed for every Palestinian, when it’s the other way around. To paraphrase one of the scholars the Lobby worked overtime censoring his dissemination of inconvenient facts, More people died in the back seat of Ted Kennedy’s car than in the imaginary Auschwitz gas chambers.

                Comment by John Mortl — April 14, 2016 @ 4:33 am

                • “Again it’s the Holocaust Lobby that distorts the reality of the actual casualties of WWII.”

                  No, it’s deniers who warp history for their own ends.

                  “The Lobby has managed to change the feel good myth of why we went to war to emphasizing the exaggerated suffering of the European Jewry at the expense of those who suffered much more.”

                  Apparently you haven’t read anything new in awhile. I suggest “Savage Continent.”

                  http://www.npr.org/2013/07/24/204538728/after-wwii-europe-was-a-savage-continent-of-devastation

                  “Just as is presently being done in Palestine, where the bought and paid for media would have you believe that ten Jews are being killed for every Palestinian, when it’s the other way around.”

                  I’m not up to date on the “Isreali-Palestinian” conflict so I don’t have an opinion.

                  “To paraphrase one of the scholars the Lobby worked overtime censoring his dissemination of inconvenient facts, More people died in the back seat of Ted Kennedy’s car than in the imaginary Auschwitz gas chambers.”

                  Why didn’t you just say “David Irving?”

                  BTW, Irving is no longer a denier. Or is he? Honestly the man changes his mind so much it’s hard to say.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 14, 2016 @ 8:32 am

        • or their own ends……I mean Holocaust deniers

          Yeah, those bastard “deniers” — when not conniving to somehow get rich from ‘Holocaust denial’, it appears among their other nefarious, selfish “ends” are being socially ostracized, going to jail, and/or ruining their careers — what could be more ‘distasteful’ than all of that/such people? — a rhetorical question, no need to answer.

          You sanctimonious jerk.

          Comment by eah — April 13, 2016 @ 1:18 pm

          • or their own ends……I mean Holocaust deniers

            “Yeah, those bastard “deniers” —”

            Now, that’s a bit harsh. I’ve never called a denier a bastard. I have said some rather personal things about you and Schlageter but that has more to do with me thinking that you are both dicks. You are both dicks even without the Holocaust denial.

            “when not conniving to somehow get rich from ‘Holocaust denial’, ”

            Well, there is obviously money in it somewhere. I’ve never taken an interest in denier finances but I do notice that they always hit me up for a donation when I visit their websites. Of course that holds true for real history websites as well. Obviously someone buys the books and videos. I always tell anyone you can get the Holocaust Handbooks for free….which is what they are worth.

            “it appears among their other nefarious, selfish “ends” are being socially ostracized, going to jail, and/or ruining their careers —”

            Well, if you break the law you are going to get punished for it. I am against Holocaust denial laws but I don’t live in a country where this is against the law.
            As far as the rest of it, naturally I am for free speech but this does not shield you from backlash.

            “what could be more ‘distasteful’ than all of that/such people?”

            Well, it does piss all over the memories of the dead, not just Jews but all of the victims of Nazi aggression. Denying that the Jews suffered and died at the hands of the Germans/Nazis/SS shames their memories and adds pain to the survivors. So, yes, I find it despicable.

            “— a rhetorical question, no need to answer.”

            Too late, already did.

            “You sanctimonious jerk.”

            You seriously lack imagination when it comes to your insults, eah. Frankly, I don’t know why you bother.

            Comment by Jeff K. — April 13, 2016 @ 1:36 pm

      • I maybe wrong, but I did read somewhere – maybe Yad Vashem – that Birkenau was actually empty of inmates when the Soviets arrived, as the Germans had taken all those who were not joining the evacuation marches over to the Auschwitz Main Camp. Whether or not that’s true…

        And how many days went by between the departure of the Germans and the arrival of the Red Army is still in doubt. Some claim 2 or 3 days – others up to 10 days. Maybe we’ll never know for certain. The Auschwitz area was a battlefield, and it could well be that German front line troops moved into the abandoned camps before withdrawing again, and then Soviet reconnaissance units came and went before their army arrived in bulk to capture the town and secure the camps.

        Comment by Talbot — April 13, 2016 @ 1:59 pm

        • I found this.
          I’ve copied and pasted the relevant passages and added the website.
          I think some of the confusion is due to the prisoners being evacuated from the 17th-21st but the Germans came back a couple of times.

          http://70.auschwitz.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17&Itemid=133&lang=en

          “Between January 17 and 21, approximately 56 columns marching on foot, mostly westwards through Upper and Lower Silesia. About 2,200 prisoners, evacuated from the Eintrachthütte sub-camp in Świętochłowice and the Laurahütte sub-camp in Siemianowice on January 23, were the only ones transported by rail. The main routes for the columns evacuated on foot led to Wodzisław Śląski and Gliwice, where the prisoners boarded trains to continue westward. 3,200 prisoners from the sub-camp in Jaworzno had one of the longest routes, covering 250 kilometers, to Gross-Rosen Concentration Camp in Lower Silesia.”

          “While the prisoners were marching away, and afterwards, the Germans made a final effort to remove all traces of the crimes they had committed in the camp. They blew up Crematoria II and III on January 20, 1945. On January 26, they blew up Crematorium V, which was in fully operational condition. On January 23, they burned “Kanada II”, the complex of warehouse barracks containing property plundered from the victims of extermination. The almost 9 thousand prisoners who had been left behind in the Main Camp (Stammlager, Auschwitz I), Birkenau (Auschwitz II), and the Auschwitz sub-camps, were mostly sick and terminally exhausted. Regarded as unfit for the evacuation march, they now found themselves in an uncertain situation. The SS wanted to liquidate all or almost all of them, and only happenstance saved the majority of them from death. Between the departure of the last evacuation column and the arrival of the Red Army, the SS managed to murder approximately 700 Jewish prisoners in the sub-camps of Fürstengrube in Wesoła, Tschechowitz-Vacuum in Czechowice and Blechhammer in Blachownia Śląska.”

          “The prisoners left behind in the camp hoped to regain their freedom. This hope became reality on January 27, 1945. Red Army soldiers entered Oświęcim that day. Soldiers of the 60th Army of the First Ukrainian Front appeared on the grounds of the Monowitz sub-camp, on the eastern side of the city, that morning. They liberated the Auschwitz Main Camp and Birkenau at about 3 p.m., meeting some resistance from withdrawing German units at the Main Camp. The prisoners welcomed the Soviet soldiers as true liberators; the soldiers, for their part, passed through the camp gates in full awareness of the historical significance of their mission. The paradox is that soldiers who were the formal representatives of Stalinist totalitarianism were bringing freedom to the prisoners of Nazi totalitarianism. Over 230 Soviet soldiers, including the commander of the 472nd Infantry Regiment, Semen Lvovich Bezprozvanny, died fighting to liberate Monowitz, the Main Camp, Birkenau, and the city of Oświęcim; 66 of them fell during fighting in the camp buffer zone. About 7 thousand prisoners awaited liberation in the Main Camp, Birkenau, and Monowitz. Soviet soldiers also liberated approximately 500 prisoners before or shortly after January 27 at sub-camps in Stara Kuźnia, Blachownia Śląska, Świętochłowice, Wesoła, Libiąż, Jawiszowice, and Jaworzno. Soviet soldiers discovered the corpses of about 600 prisoners in the Main Camp and Birkenau. The SS had shot some of them during the withdrawal; others had died of exhaustion. These were far from the only traces of crime that the soldiers found. Prisoners in relatively good physical condition immediately left the camp and started on the journey home. For other medical assistance was organized on the site of the former camp.”

          Comment by Jeff K. — April 13, 2016 @ 2:26 pm

          • Thanks Jeff – that website suggests that there were some inmates still in Birkenau when the Soviets arrived. And perhaps surprisingly, there were others in the sub-camps as well.

            The website also says that the last evacuation columns left Auschwitz on January 21st, but the Germans were still occupying Birkenau on the 23rd, and even as late as the 26th. It doesn’t specify whether they were SS personnel who were part of the Auschwitz complex though, or if they were regular army units who had moved in to set up their own base for defensive operations around the town.

            Comment by Talbot — April 13, 2016 @ 3:04 pm

          • I have the same photo on my scrapbookpages.com website

            The following quote is about the photo on my website:
            http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Liberation2.html

            Begin quote:
            The photograph above shows some of the 5,800 Birkenau survivors, most of whom look like well-fed Polish peasants, walking out of the camp shortly after Auschwitz-Birkenau was liberated by Soviet troops on January 27, 1945. In the background you can see the wooden barracks buildings, with windows under the roof, and the posts of the barbed wire fence. These survivors are walking along the interior camp road that bisects the Birkenau camp from north to south, connecting the women’s camp with the new section of Birkenau, known as “Mexico.” This is a still picture taken from the Soviet movie which is shown at the beginning of the tour at the Auschwitz Museum.

            The tall, skinny guy wearing an arm band is Dr. Otto Wolken, a medical doctor in the Birkenau Quarantine camp, who stayed behind to help his fellow prisoners when the Birkenau camp was evacuated. He was the first witness to testify at the Auschwitz Trial, held by the German government in Frankfurt between 1963 and 1965.
            End auote

            Comment by furtherglory — April 13, 2016 @ 5:09 pm

            • Most websites referring to Dr. Otto Wolken are written in German, but this one;-

              http://www.jta.org/1964/02/28/archive/jews-with-u-s-passports-annihilated

              – gives an idea of the kind of evidence he came up with at the Auschwitz trial in 1964.

              FRANKFURT (Feb. 27)

              An Auschwitz murder camp survivor declared for the first time that transports to the camp included in 1943 a group of Jews with United States passports.

              The disclosure was made in testimony at the Auschwitz trial here by Dr. Otto Wolken of Vienna a survivor of the camp. The Vienna physician had given detailed testimony implicating defendant Stefan Baretzki in a number of murders. A defense attorney challenged Dr. Wolken to identify Baretzki.

              As a hushed silence fell over the courtroom in the Frankfurt City Council chamber, Dr. Wolken walked slowly down the aisle of seats occupied by the defendants. He stopped in front of the desk where a balding, greying man of 44 was sitting and pointed to him. “That is he,” Dr. Wolken said as Baretzki’s face turned white.

              During hours of virtually uninterrupted testimony, Dr. Wolken told dramatic stories of courage of some of the millions who perished at the huge Auschwitz-Birkenau murder complex. One of them involved a transport of Jews with United States passports which arrived at the Birkenau camp on October 25, 1943.

              “One woman in this transport suddenly realized where she was and began screaming ‘This is Auschwitz,’ “Dr. Wolken related. “An SS man named Scheldinger tried to calm her. Suddenly she grabbed his pistol, shot him dead and wounded another guard before she was overpowered. In revenge,” Dr. Wolken added, “the other guards started shooting wildly into the group. I don’t know how many were killed that day.”

              Once in 1944, he said, he watched a group of Polish Jews being led to the gas chambers, among them many children and teenagers. “A boy of about 14 stopped in front of a group of SS guards and said defiantly to them ‘Don’t think you’ll go unpunished; some day you’ll go to the same place we are going,’ “Dr. Wolken said.

              The witness-survivor said that the chances for survival of prisoners who were not sent to the gas chambers were not much better than for those who were gassed. After the camp’s liberation by the Russian Army in 1945, Dr. Wolken testified, he found some documents which told the details of 15 transports which arrived between April and July of 1942.

              In specific charges against Baretzki, Dr. Wolken said that the defendant and some other guards shot and killed 11 prisoners on the inspection grounds after one of them tried to flee and another sought to protect himself from a beating. Dr. Wolken also testified that in April, 1944, Baretzki beat an inmate, Mihail Liszka to death with a club. The doctor said he was “about six yards from the scene. I brought Liszka to the barracks building where he died. Death was definitely due to the beating.”

              Well – what can one say to this kind of testimony – You either believe him, or just walk way shaking your head in disbelief.

              But at the foot of this JTA webpage there is an incongruous – deliberately humorous? – sponsored advertisement, which says;-

              “Search 155 plus camps to find your perfect Jewish camp, and you may be eligible for $1000 off. Visit One Happy Camper.org today!

              Comment by Talbot — April 14, 2016 @ 5:41 am

          • Jeff K and company, Typical of the holocaust lobby, trying to rationalize the inconvenient fact that the inmates were given a choice to retreat with the Germans or wait for the Soviets. The lobby can’t allow this inconvenient fact to become widely known for fear that the dumb cattle might start to clue in. If the Germans were anywhere near as bad as the hate mongers would have you believe they wouldn’t have freely chosen to retreat from the Soviets. One of the high priests of the hate propaganda, Elie Wiesel admits in his book ‘NIGHT’ (page 95) that he and his father, who was being cared for in the camp hospital, CHOSE to retreat with the Germans. This admission demolishes two tall tales, (1) that if you were sick and couldn’t work you were gassed. (2) There was no extermination policy. If there was why would the inmates go with those who were only going to gas them later? If they had an extermination policy they wouldn’t expend all the cost and effort to evacuate the inmates, when it would have been much more expedient to line them up and shoot them as the GI’s did with the Dachau personal. Israeli holocaust Historian professor, Israel Gutman also admits that the inmates joined the evacuation voluntarily. Another high priest of the hate fest, Primo Levi states that it was much more terrifying at Auschwitz after the evacuation. What could be more terrifying than wholesale gassings?

            Comment by John Mortl — April 14, 2016 @ 6:35 am

            • “Jeff K and company, Typical of the holocaust lobby, trying to rationalize the inconvenient fact that the inmates were given a choice to retreat with the Germans or wait for the Soviets.”

              I guess only Auschwitz exists in your world.

              “The lobby can’t allow this inconvenient fact to become widely known for fear that the dumb cattle might start to clue in.”

              Yet, as you say, Elie Wiesel claimed this for decades.

              “If the Germans were anywhere near as bad as the hate mongers would have you believe they wouldn’t have freely chosen to retreat from the Soviets.”

              Unless they felt they really didn’t have a choice.

              “One of the high priests of the hate propaganda, Elie Wiesel admits in his book ‘NIGHT’ (page 95) that he and his father, who was being cared for in the camp hospital, CHOSE to retreat with the Germans. This admission demolishes two tall tales, (1) that if you were sick and couldn’t work you were gassed. (2) There was no extermination policy. If there was why would the inmates go with those who were only going to gas them later?”

              Gassings ended in the Fall of 1944 under the express orders of Himmler, who wanted to use the inmates as bargaining chips. If you have any doubts about this look up his actions in April of 1945.

              “If they had an extermination policy they wouldn’t expend all the cost and effort to evacuate the inmates, when it would have been much more expedient to line them up and shoot them as the GI’s did with the Dachau personal.”

              See above. Also, the Germans wanted to utilize the inmates for labor. They forced the inmates in ALL of the concentration camps in Poland, the Baltics, etc. on death marches, not just Jews, in order to utilize them for labor.

              “Israeli holocaust Historian professor, Israel Gutman also admits that the inmates joined the evacuation voluntarily.”

              I’ve also read that the inmates were frightened that if they didn’t “volunteer” they would be shot.

              “Another high priest of the hate fest, Primo Levi states that it was much more terrifying at Auschwitz after the evacuation. What could be more terrifying than wholesale gassings?”

              I thought you deniers considered Wiesel to be a fraud.

              Again, deniers focus on Auschwitz. There were multiple death marches from multiple camps.

              Comment by Jeff K. — April 14, 2016 @ 6:55 am

  7. ‘Auschwitz, Poland, The interior of a women’s barrack’ — the same foto appears on the ‘Yad Vashem’ site, with the given caption.

    These women appear to be in good health

    Reasonably good health, yes, everything considered — more to the point, per the conventional story (‘selections’), they all look like candidates for the gas chamber — on the old side, not much fit for work (eg in a munitions factory) — yet there they are — the foto was ostensibly taken at A-B — it would be interesting to know when — if at or near liberation, then I suppose it would/could be claimed they all arrived after the Nazis stopped gassing Jews at A-B.

    Comment by eah — April 13, 2016 @ 8:37 am

    • You wrote: “it would be interesting to know when — if at or near liberation, then I suppose it would/could be claimed they all arrived after the Nazis stopped gassing Jews at A-B.”

      These women have been in the camp long enough for their hair to grow out. All the women had their heads shaved when they arrived at Auschwitz. I think that these women are young enough to work. There are other photos that show much older women who were still alive when the camp was liberated. Allegedly, all the old women were gassed so this photo is usually not shown.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 13, 2016 @ 8:48 am

    • I think that these women are young enough to work.

      Maybe — but doing what? — in a Monowitz facility? — I can’t see that — of the three standing on the left, the one in the middle, slightly to the back, appears to be pushing 60 y/o (if she’s not older) — also you did mention the ‘selection’ aspect: Many of the women in the photo are past the age to be selected as workers

      Comment by eah — April 13, 2016 @ 9:04 am


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