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April 20, 2016

April 20: the birthday of the man everyone loves to hate

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — furtherglory @ 7:29 am

You can read a news article about Hitler’s birthday at http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2016/04/09/Austria-plans-to-seize-house-where-Hitler-was-born.html

A photo of the building, where Hitler was born on April 20, 1889, is shown at the top of the news article. My photo of this building is shown below. This is a “Gasthaus” with resident rooms upstairs.

The house where Hitler was born on April 20, 1889

The house where Hitler was born on April 20, 1889

The following quote is from the news article cited above:

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Austria said Saturday it wants to seize Adolf Hitler’s birthplace from its private owner in a bid to end a bitter legal battle and stop the house from becoming a neo-Nazi shrine.

“We are currently examining the creation of a law, which would force a change of ownership and pass the property to the Republic of Austria,” interior ministry spokesman Karl-Heinz Grundboeck told AFP.

“We have come to the conclusion over the past few years that expropriation is the only way to avoid the building being used for the purposes of Nazi” sympathizers, he said.

The plan would involve the state making an offer of compensation to the current owner, he added.

The building in the quaint northern town of Braunau am Inn has been empty since 2011 when the government became embroiled in a dispute with owner Gerlinde Pommer, a local resident.

Her family has owned the large corner house where Hitler was born on April 20, 1889, for more than a century.

End quote

Door into the building where Hitler was born

Door into the building where Hitler was born

Hitler was born in the Gasthaus on the right hand side

Hitler was born in a Gasthaus on this street

The Holy Font which held the water with which Hitler was baptized

The Holy Font that held the water with which Hitler was baptized

The photo above shows the Baptismal font in the Catholic Church of St. Stephan, Braunau am Inn.

Adolf Hitler was baptized a Catholic with water from this holy font. As was customary in Germany and Austria, Hitler’s baptismal name was Adolfus, the Latin word for Adolf. The name Adolf means noble wolf. His mother called him Adi.

Adolf Hitler’s father, Alois, and his mother, Klara Poetzl, were married on 7 January 1885 at 6 o’clock in the morning. It was a quiet ceremony because Klara was already 4 months pregnant. She was 24 years old; he was twice her age, at 48.

The following quote is from the news article, cited above:

Begin quote

In the early 1970s, the Austrian government signed a lease with Pommer and turned the premises into a center for people with disabilities.

But the arrangement came to an abrupt end five years ago when Pommer unexpectedly refused to grant permission for much-needed renovation works.

She also rejected a purchase offer made by the increasingly exasperated interior ministry.

The issue has sparked heated debated among Braunau’s 17,000 residents. Some want it to become a refugee center, others a museum dedicated to Austria’s liberation.

There have been even been calls for its demolition — but the house is part of the city’s historic center and therefore under heritage protection.

Every year on Hitler’s birthday, anti-fascist protesters organize a rally outside the building at number 15 Salzburger Vorstadt Street, next to a memorial stone reading: “For Peace, Freedom and Democracy. Never Again Fascism, Millions of Dead Warn.”

 

A narrow house on the street where Hitler was born

A house on the street where Hitler was born

53 Comments »

  1. His mother and he himself in childhood had been cared by a Jewish doctor.

    Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 21, 2016 @ 12:50 am

    • Oyoi. You are collecting more TFs around here lupus. Keep up the good work.

      Comment by thestoker — April 21, 2016 @ 1:19 am

      • Furthermore. In autumn 1940 the Gestapo of Vienna ordered to care in a special way and fast the emigration of Dr. Bloch.

        Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 21, 2016 @ 8:37 am

  2. Black intellectual W.E.B. Dubois found Nazi Germany a more pleasant place than FDR America:

    W.E.B. Dubois

    The black American sociologist and historian W.E.B. Dubois, who spent nearly six months on a fellowship in Germany in 1935 and 1936, understood why black Americans would have mixed feelings about their experiences there. He reported that he was treated “with uniform courtesy and consideration,” never encountering the kinds of personal insults or discrimination that were commonplace back home.

    – See more at: http://www.andrewnagorski.com/articles/8-famous-americans-experiences-nazi-germany#sthash.K1gGC3Md.dpuf

    Comment by curri — April 20, 2016 @ 10:48 am

    • “Black intellectual W.E.B. Dubois found Nazi Germany a more pleasant place than FDR America:”

      Next time add the rest.
      This is the full quote:

      “The black American sociologist and historian W.E.B. Dubois, who spent nearly six months on a fellowship in Germany in 1935 and 1936, understood why black Americans would have mixed feelings about their experiences there. He reported that he was treated “with uniform courtesy and consideration,” never encountering the kinds of personal insults or discrimination that were commonplace back home.”

      You missed the next bit:

      “But he was aware of the “campaign of race prejudice” against the Jews “which surpasses in vindictive cruelty and public insult anything I have ever seen.” His message to his countrymen: unless they spoke German and were very observant, they could easily miss what was really happening in Hitler’s Germany. “- See more at: http://www.andrewnagorski.com/articles/8-famous-americans-experiences-nazi-germany#sthash.K1gGC3Md.FoMvDBbN.dpuf

      Comment by Jeff K. — April 20, 2016 @ 11:39 am

    • Bottom line,no Jim Crow

      Comment by Tim — April 20, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

      • “Bottom line,no Jim Crow”

        Technically speaking, if you are talking about black people in Germany you are correct, Tim. There weren’t really that many black people in Germany at that time.

        However the Germans put their equivalent of “Jim Crow” laws into effect for Jews. Same story, different people.

        Comment by Jeff K. — April 20, 2016 @ 1:10 pm

        • Jeff you avoid the answer again….jim crow laws…LOL Blacks were not hated in Germany, Even Jessie Owens was treated better in Germany than he was in America. In the beginning he was favorable to Hitler then later on he capitulated and bad mouthed the Germans but that was expected when all the propaganda started to flow against Germany. You really didn’t think he would show he admired the Germans. His life would of been even worse here with all his white loving friends.
          The Jews on the other hand got what they deserved because they were an insubordinate and an immoral rebellious people that only cared about themselves….no different than today. If only Germany succeeded in what they were accused of….the problem was they tried like hell to work with them ( Jews) and it all came back to bite them in the ass later.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — April 20, 2016 @ 1:23 pm

          • What am I avoiding, Jim?

            “The Jews on the other hand got what they deserved because they were an insubordinate and an immoral rebellious people that only cared about themselves….no different than today.”

            Really?
            German Jews were, for the most part, assimilated patriots.

            “If only Germany succeeded in what they were accused of…”

            They gave it the old college try, Jim.
            Most of the Jews that died were foreign Jews, Jim. Out of those Jews mostly Polish Jews died.

            “the problem was they tried like hell to work with them ( Jews) and it all came back to bite them in the ass later.”

            I honestly don’t know what you mean by that, Jim. What do you mean “work with them?”

            Comment by Jeff K. — April 20, 2016 @ 2:17 pm

          • FG said Krauts were real nice people. Owens said the same thing. Max Schemeling (spell check there) and Joe Louis were the best of friends. Max was Uncle Adolphs golden boy. When Joe Louis died,Max paid for his funeral. Joes family didn’t have the money. When I hear about the Jews , it seems to be more personal than having to deal with a race. I’m still trying to figure out if “master race” was an actual idea or if it’s all “urban legend”. I say that,because look at hitler. I don’t see blond hair and blue eyes there

            Comment by Tim — April 20, 2016 @ 2:20 pm

            • The Soviets had a very funny propaganda cartoon:

              Comment by Jeff K. — April 20, 2016 @ 2:31 pm

              • Yeah. Goring was about a 12 sandwhich eatin mutha f–ker. He could afford to miss a few meals. However I found out years ago,if you go toe with someone that size,you better run them down. That’s the only way to take down some cornfed,fresh off the farm person like Goring. Wear him down,then hope a 2 by 4 is handy. Pick it up and knock the shit out of him. I found out,person that size may not move fast,but they’ll put their weight behind a punch. When they land that punch,your ass is gonna drop. Goring don’t look nothing like the master race,but that’s the last thing on my mind if his fist is on a collision course with my jaw bone.

                Comment by Tim — April 20, 2016 @ 3:12 pm

            • I wrote about the “Master race” on this blog post:
              https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/the-master-race/

              Comment by furtherglory — April 20, 2016 @ 2:43 pm

              • I clicked on the link and came across a story about about some piss ugly Jew woman. It didn’t bring up the master race article you wrote.

                Comment by Tim — April 20, 2016 @ 3:18 pm

        • Yeah that went through my mind after I wrote. Same shit different day. I’m trying to figure out if hitler did in fact “refuse” to shake Jesse Owens hand and what the circumstance was. History don’t record everything. It’s like the blacks that wear the tshirts with Che Gueveras face on it. They don’t realize he was one of the most racists bastards around. It’s all written in his book,”the motorcycle diaries”. That’s why I asked for the real story behind hitler and Owens.

          Comment by Tim — April 20, 2016 @ 2:13 pm

  3. Why is the Austrian government getting its knickers in a twist over Hitler’s birthplace?

    Is it worried that there might be a clash in the streets of Braunau-am-Inn between squads of stormtroopers commanded by Obersturmbannfuhrer – jrizoli, and the Terezin ghetto marauders led by the Yellow Star Kid himself – Howlin’ Wolf Murmelstein.

    Comment by Talbot — April 20, 2016 @ 9:24 am

    • You wrote: “Why is the Austrian government getting its knickers in a twist over Hitler’s birthplace?”

      The Germans and the Austrians are trying to bow as low as they can to the Jews, so that their countries will not be destroyed again.

      In Germany, the Germans will literally RUN away from you if you try to engage them in a conversation about the Holocaust or the Nazis. Some German homes still have a photo of Hitler on their living room wall, but the photo is behind a door, so when the door is open, you can’t see the photo.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 20, 2016 @ 11:59 am

  4. You tube hasn’t yanked the happy birthday hitler videos. I figured there would be no way in hell they could pass that up. If Krauts are such racist,why’d they make Jesse Owens feel welcome in Germany ? Sounds like the Germans were treating him better than his own country. I don’t see where he said Germany had anything like Jim Crow laws for the blacks.

    Comment by Tim — April 20, 2016 @ 8:35 am

  5. In order to keep it from becoming a neo-Nazi shrine, all of Austria should be bulldozed, plowed under, and given to Switzerland. The native population should be deported to the East for resettlement and labor.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — April 20, 2016 @ 8:24 am

  6. “the man everyone loves to hate”

    Who cares about what ‘everyone’ loves to hate or to love? The sheeple’s brains are located somewhere in New York city and Hollywood. No free & independent mind to be found in there. No interest in the ‘thoughts’, ‘opinions’ and tastes of average idiots…

    Comment by hermie — April 20, 2016 @ 8:13 am

  7. I was asked the other day who I thought was the greatest world ruler I said Hitler, of course the look I got was interesting.
    But when you think of world rulers and what they accomplished and what their goals were how can you say he wasn’t.
    Made the cover of time magazine a few times….Not bad for a reputed mass murderer….LOL
    So when you scrape away all the propaganda and lies about him just deal with Hitler the person I think you would agree with me.
    The problem is not many people can do that.
    I’m sure this post will be used to come against me when the Zionist controlled Jew run court system comes a calling to put me in jail for my thought crimes.
    But then again there are some here that don’t think there are people around today that would do such an evil things I say there are they belong to the apostate religion of the Jews, and other Zionist controlled bodies, religions etc.. of people who have a lot to hide.

    Happy Birthday AH..

    https://theendofzion.com/2016/04/20/the-immortal-words-of-adolf-hitler-2/#more-7648

    Jim Rizoli
    CCFIILE.COM

    Comment by jrizoli — April 20, 2016 @ 8:08 am

    • I wrote about Hitler being on the cover of Time magazine on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/time-magazine-man-of-the-year/

      This was not an honor for Hitler; it was a criticism of him.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 20, 2016 @ 8:36 am

    • “I was asked the other day who I thought was the greatest world ruler I said Hitler, of course the look I got was interesting.”

      I’m sure it was but I wanted to comment on the link you provided.

      So, Jim, I went to “End of Zion” and these words struck me:

      “Nevertheless, the bravery of Hitler and the noble German people during this era saved the European people from certain death at the hand of Jewish Bolsheviks, who had already taken over Russia, and for this they will not be forgotten, and, God-willing, their deaths will not go unavenged.”

      What a nice sentiment.

      It’s too bad that the author of those words forgot that by invading the Soviet Union in June of 1941 Hitler opened the door to the eventual takeover of Eastern Europe by the Soviet Union.
      Oopsie, what a boner.

      Comment by Jeff K. — April 20, 2016 @ 1:05 pm

      • I think hitler would’ve made a helluva CEO of someone like GM or GE.

        Comment by Tim — April 20, 2016 @ 2:22 pm

        • Hitler would not have liked being a CEO. He was an artist, and he liked to design buildings.

          Comment by furtherglory — April 20, 2016 @ 2:47 pm

          • I know that. I didn’t say he’d do it. I’d said he would’ve made a great one. He turned the economy of a country around. No. He didn’t do it by himself. The citizens of the country helped . He had the plan and support of the people. Remember after comrade obama took office? GM shows up at his door with their tin cup. Looking for a handout. If somebody would’ve been running that place right,the workers would’ve been helping to make it happen. Hitler rolled up to the office one day with a plan in hand. I’m sure he ran that by the people. Everybody was working together. What was it,the folks were gettin state sponsored vacations. He had all the right moves. It wasn’t his dream job,but it was his destiny. Think about it. Germany was one broke dick dog. They were in worse shape than we were. We still had the “we’re eating dirt and grateful to have it”, while Germany made a complete 180. He didn’t seem to have a problem gettin the people behind him. Wish we could get a president that understands people,economics and how they work together

            Comment by Tim — April 20, 2016 @ 3:01 pm

          • Is son of Saul worth watching. You kinda reviewed it here one time.

            Comment by Tim — April 20, 2016 @ 3:40 pm

      • Jeff’s desperate belief that the Bolshevik Man of Steel (‘stalin’ means ‘steel’ in Russian) wanted to stay out of a war whose outcome would patently redraw the maps of the whole world, is very cute. If there was a leader able and eager to fulfill the global aspirations of Bolshevism, Joseph Jughashvili was certainly that guy.

        Comment by hermie — April 20, 2016 @ 4:01 pm

        • “Jeff’s desperate belief that the Bolshevik Man of Steel (‘stalin’ means ‘steel’ in Russian)”

          Thank you for clarifying that. I thought “Stalin” meant “pudding” in Russian.

          “wanted to stay out of a war whose outcome would patently redraw the maps of the whole world, is very cute.”

          Stalin made it a point to stay out of the conflict as long as he could at maximum benefit to the Soviet Union. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves this. At the stroke of a pen Stalin gained half of Poland and influence over the Baltics at a very cheap price. I think Stalin believed that Germany and the West would fight each other to exhaustion, leaving him the arbiter of peace and allowing him to snatch more territory. I think nothing is more telling than Stalin’s reaction at the German defeat of the French:

          https://books.google.com/books?id=6J0_vJKLzsgC&pg=PA260&lpg=PA260&dq=stalin's+reaction+to+the+defeat+of+the+French&source=bl&ots=x7j5SgDbWc&sig=Oxdb1qKo9vhJDeIhL529yXKjNO8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjB7PmquJ7MAhWFtIMKHQ7kBmcQ6AEILjAG#v=onepage&q=stalin's%20reaction%20to%20the%20defeat%20of%20the%20French&f=false

          If there was a leader able and eager to fulfill the global aspirations of Bolshevism, Joseph Jughashvili was certainly that guy.

          Yet Stalin tread very lightly before and after the war, only acting aggressively when he felt he could get away with it. His one attempt at blatant aggression, the Winter War with Finland, proved humiliating even though the Red Army eventually prevailed. I think the Winter War taught Stalin that the Red Army was in no shape for offensive actions. Even after the War, when the Red Army supplanted the Wehrmacht as the premier fighting force in Europe, Stalin attempted no major aggressive actions. The Soviets conquered Eastern Europe by boring from within, not with tanks, troops or planes.

          Comment by Jeff K. — April 20, 2016 @ 5:21 pm

          • Enjoy!

            Hitler’s Peace Plans

            Compiled by Mark R. Elsis

            “After visiting these two places, you can easily understand
            how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him
            now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived . . .
            He had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death
            that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.”
            Prelude to Leadership: The European Diary of John F. Kennedy, Summer 1945

            The Hitler Speech They Don’t Want You To Hear

            What The World Rejected
            Hitler’s Peace Offers, 1933- 1939
            by Dr. Friedrich Stieve
            http://ihr.org/other/what-the-world-rejected.html

            Everything People Believed About Hitler’s Intentions Toward Britain Was A Myth Created By Churchill
            by Kevin Myers
            http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-everything-people-believed-about-hitlers-intentions-toward-britain-was-a-myth-created-by-churchill-26866697.html

            An Overview Of Hitler’s Peace Proposals
            https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t378972

            Evidence The British Forced
            Hitler To Continue WWII
            The Hitler-Hess Deception
            by Martin Allen
            http://www.rense.com/general46/evii.htm

            Nazis ‘offered To Leave Western Europe In Exchange For Free Hand To Attack Ussr’
            It Was One Of The Most Perplexing Episodes Of The Second World War Which, More Than 70 Years On, Remains Shrouded In Mystery.
            by Jasper Copping
            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/10336126/Nazis-offered-to-leave-western-Europe-in-exchange-for-free-hand-to-attack-USSR.html

            What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers, 1933-1939 – Time To Face The Facts!
            http://justice4germans.com/2013/06/29/what-the-world-rejected-hitlers-peace-offers-1933-1939-time-to-face-the-facts

            What The World Rejected : Hitler’s Peace Offers, 1933-1939 (with C.C.)
            Dr. Friedrich Stieve

            Churchill, Hitler And The Unnecessary War
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill,_Hitler_and_the_Unnecessary_War

            Adolf Hitler: Man Of Peace?
            by Mike kinh
            http://www.tomatobubble.com/id570.html

            Hitler Gives 16 Point Peace Plan
            http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19390831&id=h6VQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HSIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5991,3898320

            Hitler’s Peace Plans No Surrender If They Are Rejected ..
            http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19391011&id=AJJDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=F4sMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3317,4051196

            09 Oct 1939 – World Rejects Hitler’s “Peace” Plan …
            http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11259532

            Witness to History
            By Michael Walsh
            Complete Disarmament Offered By Hitler:
            On May 17th, 1933, in a speech to the Reichstag, Hitler offered complete German disarmament, if others would do likewise. There was no response.
            After October 14th, 1933, Hitler again put forward proposals which included arms limitation, particularly the elimination of weapons designed for use against civilian populations, and the preparation of a mutual non-aggression pact. France said ‘non!’ Others did not responds at all, and France, Britain and Russia increased their arms build-up.
            On May 21st, 1935, Hitler sought to limit the dropping of gas, incendiary and explosive bombs out side of battle zones. He was also ready to agree to the abolition of the heaviest artillery and tanks, and to accept any limitation on the size of naval vessels. Again, there was no response save for France making an aggressive anti-German alliance with the Soviet Union.
            On March 31st, 1936, Hitler formulated a nineteen-point peace plan that included the reduction of arms, and to bring aerial warfare under the protection of the Geneva Convention. His proposals were ignored.
            The repeated rejection of Hitler’s proposals to assure equitable peace in Europe would indicate that the Western powers were preparing for armed conflict against Germany, a conflict from which only the allies could benefit. Lord Lothian had predicted such a war in a speech on June 5th, 1934.
            http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/witness2.htm

            World Peace Or War Of Destruction? : Adolf Hitler’s Peace Plan
            Author: Adolf Hitler
            Publisher: Hamburg : President Heinrich Kessemeier, [1939?]
            http://www.worldcat.org/title/world-peace-or-war-of-destruction-adolf-hitlers-peace-plan/oclc/22868785

            Prime Minister Winston Churchill Finally Reveals Hitlers Secret Plan For Peace!

            Hitler’s War
            (Peace) Overtures
            by David Irving
            http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/1977/html_chapter/02.html

            Hitler 1936-45: Nemesis
            Characteristically, Hitler ‘s first step after his ‘election’ success was to present a ‘peace plan’ – generous in his own eyes – to his coveted allies, the British. On 1 April, his special envoy in London, Joachim von Ribbentrop, the former champagne salesman who had become his most trusted adviser in foreign affairs, passed on the offer Hitler had drafted the previous day to the British government. It included a four-month moratorium on any troop reinforcements in the Rhineland, together with an expression of willingness to participate in international talks aimed at a twenty-five-year peace pact, restricting production of the heaviest forms of artillery alongside bans on the bombing of civilian targets and usage of poison-gas, chemical, or incendiary bombs.
            by Ian Kershaw
            http://www.theguardian.com/education/2002/jan/04/highereducation.books

            What The World Rejected:
            Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933-1939
            by Dr. Friedrich Stieve
            http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/nothanks/wwr00.htm

            Papers From Hitler’s Deputy To Be Auctioned
            In the midst of war, Hitler’s deputy flew to Scotland with a peace treaty for the British in his suitcase. Now, documents which could shine a light on what Rudolf Hess really wanted are up for auction in the US.
            http://www.dw.de/papers-from-hitlers-deputy-to-be-auctioned/a-17080893

            Hitler Makes A Peace Offer To Britain
            19th July 1940: Hitler makes a Peace offer to Britain
            http://ww2today.com/hitler-makes-a-peace-offer-to-britain

            Was World War II The Result Of Hitler’s Master Plan?
            http://jessbcuzz.weebly.com/uploads/8/4/7/2/8472357/hitlers_master_plan.pdf

            Historian Uncovers New Account:
            Document Suggests Hitler Knew Of Hess’ British Flight Plans
            Was Rudolf Hess’s infamous flight to Great Britain in 1941 coordinated with Adolf Hitler? Although historians have long believed that the Nazi Party’s second-in-command was acting on his own, newly revealed statements by a senior Hess adjutant may suggest otherwise.
            by Jan Friedmann and Klaus Wiegrefe
            http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/historian-uncovers-new-account-document-suggests-hitler-knew-of-hess-british-flight-plans-a-765607.html

            When Hitler Dropped Peace Leaflets, Churchill Dropped Bombs!
            http://www.tomatobubble.com/id763.html

            What the World Rejected:
            Hitler’s Peace Offers, 1933-1939 – Time to face the facts!
            http://justice4germans.com/2013/06/29/what-the-world-rejected-hitlers-peace-offers-1933-1939-time-to-face-the-facts

            What The World Rejected : Hitler’s Peace Offers, 1933-1939

            Hitler Pleas For Peace — Fdr Prepares For War
            by Mike King
            http://www.tomatobubble.com/id958.html

            The Forced War: When Peaceful Revision Failed (.pdf)
            by David L. Hoggan
            http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdf_books/david%20hoggan-the%20forced%20war.pdf

            President Roosevelt And The Origins Of the 1939 War
            by David L. Hoggan
            http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p205_Hoggan.html

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — April 20, 2016 @ 7:44 pm

          • Jeff wrote: “Stalin made it a point to stay out of the conflict as long as he could at maximum benefit to the Soviet Union.”

            Sure he did. His plan was the invasion of all Europe AFTER the major European powers (Britain, France and Germany) had exhausted each others. Once the whole of Europe in his hands, Uncle Joe would have been able to ‘bolshevize’ large areas of the world in Asia and Africa by seizing the colonial empires of the defeated European powers.

            Jeff wrote: “The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves this.”

            Does it prove this for Germany too? Or does that work only with peace-loving hippie Stalin?

            “At the stroke of a pen Stalin gained half of Poland and influence over the Baltics at a very cheap price.”

            Undeniably. But only because the Western democracies were on his side from the very beginning and didn’t regard the abolition of all the nations of eastern Europe as a problem, so exposing the complete ridiculousness of their dear Polish excuse in full light.

            Jeff wrote: “I think Stalin believed that Germany and the West would fight each other to exhaustion, leaving him the arbiter of peace and allowing him to snatch more territory.”

            Arbiter of peace, is this a Jew-lover euphemism or something? BTW, nice wording for a bloody conquest such as Stalin’s planned one. You’re a wizard of words and distortions. Congratulations!!

            “Comrade Stalin’s Three Plans” by Mark Solonin: http://www.solonin.org/en/article_comrade-stalins-three-plans

            Jeff wrote: “I think nothing is more telling than Stalin’s reaction at the German defeat of the French:”

            1) How do we know Stalin was devastated when France was defeated? Some researchers found his nice girly pink diary and noticed the entry for that day was soaked with tears???😉

            2) How does that refute Stalin’s territorial ambitions in Europe? Isn’t such a reaction what one could expect from a man planning the invasion of all Europe after the major European powers had exhausted each others? The early elimination of one of the three fighters of course made the prospect of an early peace, and so also the cancellation of a possible extension of the conflict to the Soviet Union, closer than ever. What would a Soviet leader allegedly only dreaming of peace, cute puppies and beautiful flowers be devastated by such a prospect? Makes no sense…

            And what do you think of the facts below? Not telling to you?

            • Stalin abandoned work on the Palace of the Soviets (supposed to show the greatness of Communism);
            • Stalin had Marshal Zhukov, not himself, the supreme commander, lead the victory parade in 1945;
            • No other official May 9 victory parade but the one in 1945 was ever authorized until after his death;
            • Stalin never wore any of the medals he was awarded during the war; and
            • He hinted to some of his close associates that he might retire now that the war was over.

            Do these things look like the attitude of a victorious leader? Or do these things rather look like the attitude of a very disappointed leader not having gained more than a parcel of what he originally wanted?

            Jeff wrote: “Yet Stalin tread very lightly before and after the war, only acting aggressively when he felt he could get away with it. His one attempt at blatant aggression, the Winter War with Finland, proved humiliating even though the Red Army eventually prevailed. I think the Winter War taught Stalin that the Red Army was in no shape for offensive actions.”

            It taught Stalin even more that well-designed defense lines were a serious barrier against foreign invasions. That’s probably why he dismantled his almost impassable Finnish-like “Stalin [defense] line” and replaced it with the 100%-porous sham “Molotov [‘defense’] line” (i.e. almost a pasteboard decor, the opposite of ‘Potemkin villages’, intended to dupe the Soviet citizens by making them believe their leader had built efficient fortifications protecting them).

            Jeff wrote: “Even after the War, when the Red Army supplanted the Wehrmacht as the premier fighting force in Europe, Stalin attempted no major aggressive actions.”

            You mean after WW2? If so, that was no surprise, with the United States being the only nuclear superpower in the world at that time.

            Comment by hermie — April 21, 2016 @ 8:05 am

            • Did hitler and Stalin have any history between the 2 of them prior to WW2?

              Comment by Tim — April 21, 2016 @ 9:16 am

              • Except for the Molotov-Ribbontrop Pact, no Tim, they didn’t.

                Comment by Jeff K. — April 21, 2016 @ 9:44 am

                • I was asking because I’m trying to figure out where the trust came from. Okay so maybe trust did not exist at all. If that’s the case,then I’m sure they each had to be thinking,”I can f–k this idiot over with no problem”. I think they underestimated each other horribly. The soviets weren’t as advanced as the Reich in the military department. The Krauts didn’t have the man power the Reds did. Stalin poured his people away like water. I think that’s the only thing that saved Papa Joes ass. Yeah hitler made mistakes,but I think he could’ve overcome those. I think they both should’ve read a quote from Sun Tzu. “Know thyself,know thy enemy. A thousand battles,a thousand victories”.

                  Comment by Tim — April 21, 2016 @ 11:49 am

                • There was no trust, Tim.
                  The Soviets decided that gaining territory at the expense of the Poles was worth climbing into bed with Hitler. Hitler thought that if the USSR remained neutral that this would get the British and French to back off regarding Poland. The upside to both was that they didn’t have to fight each other (at least, at that moment).

                  Comment by Jeff K. — April 21, 2016 @ 11:56 am

            • Jeff wrote: “Stalin made it a point to stay out of the conflict as long as he could at maximum benefit to the Soviet Union.”

              “Sure he did. His plan was the invasion of all Europe AFTER the major European powers (Britain, France and Germany) had exhausted each others.”

              Um, was I wrong on my first statement? Stalin wanted to benefit as cheaply as he could by allowing Germany and the West to fight each other to exhaustion. He then could benefit as the most powerful player on the board. I don’t know if that included invading the rest of Europe, it is certainly a possibility….. at the risk of uniting former adversaries against him to prevent the takeover of Europe by the Soviet Union. However exhausted the Germans, British and French would be after this conflict any invasion by the Soviets almost certainly would unite them against this threat. Need proof? See the strange alliance between Britain and the United States, the two premier democratic capitalist countries, with the Soviet Union, the premier communist nation, against National Socialist Germany.

              “Once the whole of Europe in his hands, Uncle Joe would have been able to ‘bolshevize’ large areas of the world in Asia and Africa by seizing the colonial empires of the defeated European powers.”

              What a nice fantasy. Hitler offered this vision to Molotov in December of 1940 in an effort to focus Soviet power South towards India. Molotov refused to fall for this, specifically focusing Soviet attention back on Eastern Europe.

              The Soviet Union never showed an interest in becoming a “Colonial Power” in the classic sense. They encouraged revolutions and backed native Communists but never tried direct takeovers. If you have any doubts see China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc.

              Jeff wrote: “The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves this.”

              “Does it prove this for Germany too?”

              What it proves is that Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin could put aside differing ideologies for immediate gain.

              “Or does that work only with peace-loving hippie Stalin?”

              Did I ever say that Stalin was peace loving? Don’t be an ass. What I am saying is that Stalin was smart enough to realize that he could benefit by staying out of any general European conflict. He could reap the rewards without bleeding. Naturally this backfired on him with the German invasion of 1941.

              “At the stroke of a pen Stalin gained half of Poland and influence over the Baltics at a very cheap price.”

              “Undeniably. But only because the Western democracies were on his side from the very beginning”

              I, uh, what?
              Is dope legal in Belgium? Maybe you should cut back.
              Non-Communist Governments dreaded the “Bolshevick Menace.” Of course, that didn’t mean they wouldn’t do business with the USSR.
              France and Britain didn’t try all that hard to include the Soviets in an agreement over Poland. They also shut Stalin out of the Munich Agreement even though the USSR and France both had treaties with Czechoslovakia. This understandably pissed off Uncle Joe and drove him into Hitler’s arms in one of the weirdest pairings in history.

              “and didn’t regard the abolition of all the nations of eastern Europe as a problem, so exposing the complete ridiculousness of their dear Polish excuse in full light.”

              Uh huh. Then why had out guarantees to Poland? And Romania?
              You are looking at history backward. The US and Britain sacrificed Eastern Europe after the war because they didn’t have a choice. Evicting the Red Army from Eastern Europe would have required another war.

              Jeff wrote: “I think Stalin believed that Germany and the West would fight each other to exhaustion, leaving him the arbiter of peace and allowing him to snatch more territory.”

              “Arbiter of peace, is this a Jew-lover euphemism or something? BTW, nice wording for a bloody conquest such as Stalin’s planned one. You’re a wizard of words and distortions. Congratulations!!”

              What I mean is that after 3, 4, 5 years of war Stalin could step in and broker an advantageous peace
              over the exhausted combatants. No bleeding on his part with territorial gains. See? This would mean the USSR would remain on the board as the most powerful country in Europe without having to fight. This would leave them in a better position to do as they pleased.

              “Comrade Stalin’s Three Plans” by Mark Solonin: http://www.solonin.org/en/article_comrade-stalins-three-plans

              You’ll note that the newspaper article was written after Hitler’s invasion. So, Stalin doesn’t have a right to be pissed after Hitler invaded his country?

              Jeff wrote: “I think nothing is more telling than Stalin’s reaction at the German defeat of the French:”

              “1) How do we know Stalin was devastated when France was defeated? Some researchers found his nice girly pink diary and noticed the entry for that day was soaked with tears???😉”

              Look, up in the sky!!!!
              It’s a bird!!! It’s a plane!!!!! Nope, it’s just Hermie’s duck.
              Kruschev later recounted Stalin’s reaction. Did you miss that part of the link I posted?

              “2) How does that refute Stalin’s territorial ambitions in Europe? Isn’t such a reaction what one could expect from a man planning the invasion of all Europe after the major European powers had exhausted each others? The early elimination of one of the three fighters of course made the prospect of an early peace, and so also the cancellation of a possible extension of the conflict to the Soviet Union, closer than ever. What would a Soviet leader allegedly only dreaming of peace, cute puppies and beautiful flowers be devastated by such a prospect? Makes no sense…”

              What makes no sense is you.
              France’s early capitulation and the flight of the British out of Europe meant that Stalin wouldn’t get what he wanted, a long exhausting war between Germany, France and Britain.

              Comment by Jeff K. — April 21, 2016 @ 9:17 am

              • Jeff wrote: “Um, was I wrong on my first statement? Stalin wanted to benefit as cheaply as he could by allowing Germany and the West to fight each other to exhaustion. He then could benefit as the most powerful player on the board. I don’t know if that included invading the rest of Europe, it is certainly a possibility….. at the risk of uniting former adversaries against him to prevent the takeover of Europe by the Soviet Union. However exhausted the Germans, British and French would be after this conflict any invasion by the Soviets almost certainly would unite them against this threat.”

                And you and ‘yours’ still deny that Operation Babarossa might have been a mere preemptive strike. The image of a peaceful Stalin only wanting to starve and terrorize his people within the borders of the Soviet Union and its satellite states, got a blow.

                Jew wrote: “Need proof? See the strange alliance between Britain and the United States, the two premier democratic capitalist countries, with the Soviet Union, the premier communist nation, against National Socialist Germany.”

                I see nothing strange in the alliance of Judeo-Bolshevism and Judeo-Capitalism. Two sides of the same coin…a shekel.

                Jew wrote: “What a nice fantasy. Hitler offered this vision to Molotov in December of 1940 in an effort to focus Soviet power South towards India. Molotov refused to fall for this, specifically focusing Soviet attention back on Eastern Europe.”

                I was talking about a Soviet POSTWAR seizure of European colonial empires, not about a wartime seizure. The Soviets couldn’t seize the colonies of their allies during the war without losing the huge benefits of that alliance. Obvious.

                Jeff wrote: “The Soviet Union never showed an interest in becoming a “Colonial Power” in the classic sense. They encouraged revolutions and backed native Communists but never tried direct takeovers. If you have any doubts see China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. ”

                They encouraged revolutions in others’ colonies for obvious reasons (the main one being to enable the Bolshevization of those areas). In their own ‘colonies’ (the lands under Commmunist rule), they broke any revolution attempt ruthlessly.

                Jeff wrote: “Did I ever say that Stalin was peace loving? Don’t be an ass. What I am saying is that Stalin was smart enough to realize that he could benefit by staying out of any general European conflict. He could reap the rewards without bleeding.”

                He could reap the rewards by bleeding less, not without bleeding*. He could do that by entering the war after a while. That was his strategy. And that was Uncle Sam’s strategy too.

                * Suggesting that Stalin cared about the amount of blood shed to achieve his goals is ridiculous in itself anyway.

                Jeff wrote: “France and Britain didn’t try all that hard to include the Soviets in an agreement over Poland. ”

                The Poles hated the Soviets. France and Britain couldn’t have got any agreement with Poland if the Soviets were officially on board. But they had an agreement with the Soviets behind the scenes (http://prokarelia.net/en/?x=artikkeli&article_id=667&author=10). The Poles discovered that only when they requested British help against the Soviet invasion and were told “Hey. Our military agreement is for a war against Germany only”, i.e. when it was too late.

                Jeff wrote: ” They also shut Stalin out of the Munich Agreement even though the USSR and France both had treaties with Czechoslovakia.”

                Understandably. No agreement on the Sudentenland could have been reached with the Soviets at the meeting.

                Jeff wrote: “This understandably pissed off Uncle Joe and drove him into Hitler’s arms in one of the weirdest pairings in history.”

                A treaty of non-aggression is no pairing. Funny to see the way most Americans and British always seem not to know who was Stalin’s ally and who wasn’t during WW2. Whether you like it or not, the Anglo-Saxon democracies, not Hitler’s Reich, were Stalin’s allies during WW2.

                Jeff wrote: “Then why had out guarantees to Poland?”

                What part of the words ‘excuse for war’ do you fail to understand? Poland was the Belgium and the Serbia of WW2. The Allies didn’t care more about Belgium and Serbia during WW1 than about Poland during WW2. They wanted war with Germany, and Poland, Belgium and Serbia were just provided them with great ‘casus belli’ pretexts and food for propaganda.

                Jeff wrote: “You are looking at history backward. The US and Britain sacrificed Eastern Europe after the war because they didn’t have a choice.”

                False. No later than in mid-September 1939 the Poles realized that they had been sold to the Soviets for a wanted Anglo-American war against Germany.

                Jeff wrote: “Evicting the Red Army from Eastern Europe would have required another war. ”

                So all those Japs burned alive in the US nuclear show at Hiroshima and Nagasaki died for nothing? C’mon. With nuclear weapons in America and piles of stones in the Soviet Union, the US could have forced almost anything on Stalin. They left Eastern Europe in Stalin’s hands at the end of WW2 because they didn’t care about Eastern Europe and they didn’t need it as a war excuse anymore.

                Jeff wrote: “Kruschev later recounted Stalin’s reaction.”

                Ah testimonial ‘evidence’ once again. Why am I not surprised? Quite funny to see that most Americans always swallow Soviet propaganda as cold beer on a sunny day as soon as it is about WW2 (their common crusade with the Soviets) but vigorously reject it as ‘a pack of Red lies’ as soon as it’s about anything else. The well-known American mobile evidential standards, I guess…😉

                Jeff wrote: “France’s early capitulation and the flight of the British out of Europe meant that Stalin wouldn’t get what he wanted, a long exhausting war between Germany, France and Britain.”

                Where do a Soviet invasion and a German preemptive strike look like sci-fi in that narrative? The flat rejection of a German preemptive strike against an imminent Soviet invasion holds only within the fairy tale of a peace-loving Uncle Joe without any ambitions at all in Central and Western Europe.

                Comment by hermie — April 21, 2016 @ 8:07 pm

                • Both y’all made good points,but it leaves me with more questions. The most obvious being,why did we kiss Stalins ass? The Poles wanted absolutely dick to do with the Soviets. The Poles are starting to sound like the Jews . Help me they cry,but we ignore them. Stalin coming into Poland from the east while hitler came from the west. I don’t think there is any way in hell,FDR didn’t realize that the Soviets rolled into Poland . Stalin got a war of aggression going against Poland . I can’t think of any other way to put it. So why didn’t we try to prosecute some ruskies at the end of WW2? One of General Dolittles B25 crews landed in Russia since they ran out of fuel. The asshole Russians arrested that crew . You gonna tell me FDR or Churchill didn’t know about that. They sold our boys put on that one. Let me guess. Another opportunity to kiss Stalins ass. I know up until a few years back,I thought hitler was the only one to invade Poland. The history books never bought Stalin up. Hitler was the only one given accolades for invading Poland.

                  Comment by Tim — April 21, 2016 @ 8:44 pm

                • You wrote: “I know up until a few years back,I thought hitler was the only one to invade Poland. The history books never bought Stalin up. Hitler was the only one given accolades for invading Poland.”

                  I was a little kid during World War II, and I don’t remember ever hearing anything about the Russians. I was reading two newspapers every day: the St. Louis newspaper and the Jefferson City newspaper. All that I remember is reading about Japan and Germany. Everyone hated the “Japs”. Little kids threw out their toys that had been made in Japan. Half the people living in Missouri were of German descent, so there was not as much hatred of the Germans. Soldiers from my home town were always sent to Japan to fight, but never to Germany — for fear that they would defect and join the Germans in the war.

                  Comment by furtherglory — April 22, 2016 @ 5:10 pm

                • That’s what I kl about the Internet . I find out just how much shit was left blank in the history books. It’s demonstrable that they can’t talk about everything from WW2,because there just so much there. However something like Russia invading from the east should’ve been in there. I guess if they threw that in there,people might start thinking,hitler ain’t doing anything everyone else is doing. Keep Stalins name out of everything and you can really make hitler look evil. They want to make sure the little kids know of the horrors of the holo,but they don’t want to bring up the ruskies and their “rape/murder spree” in Berlin . If I was around back in ’41,I wouldn’t have been a fan of the Nips after Pearl. At the same time,I think we were just begging for that. I know when they had Captain McVeys trial over the sinking of the Indy,the Jap that skippered the sub that sank the Indy,was a witness for the prosecution. First thing he said was,my government wouldn’t have put McVey on trial,because of something he had no control over. He even told the court,no matter what evasive actions McVey took,he was still sunk because of the spread the fish had when they fired them at the Indy. The school board officials are no more than politicians . When they pick the history books for their school system, getting the history books that are best for the kids,is the furthest thought from their minds. I think they pick the ones that make our government look like the knights in shining armor. What would happen if they picked history books,that gave all the facts about the holo? The officials got their own game of three card Monty going on with the history books they give the kids. I’m still trying to figure out why we let Stalin tear ass around Europe snatching up land. The Poles probably thought,we should’ve sided with hitler. We would’ve gotten a better deal. I don’t care what anyone says,there’s no good reason why we just sat on our fat asses and let Stalin take Poland . I know papa Joe had an axe to grind with Poland ,but that’s not a good enough reason. That probably explains why you always heard about hitler and not Stalin when you were in school. People would’ve probably thought,hitler don’t seem like that big of an asshole. That honor is gonna have to go to papa Joe and the Reds. Hitler wasn’t doing anything that Stalin himself wasn’t doing. I know when it came to murdering non combatants,Stalin did that on a scale that nobody could compete with

                  Comment by Tim — April 22, 2016 @ 7:38 pm

                • Tim wrote: “it leaves me with more questions. The most obvious being,why did we kiss Stalins ass? ”

                  Kissed Stalin’s ass? What do you mean? How did the return to the former border between Prussia-Austria and Russia in the middle of Poland amount to kissing anybody’s ass?

                  Tim wrote: “I don’t think there is any way in hell,FDR didn’t realize that the Soviets rolled into Poland .”

                  Through intelligence activities of his spies, FDR was even aware of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact’s secret protocol (implying a possible German-Soviet joint invasion of Poland if peace couldn’t be maintained with Germany or the Soviet Union) prior to September 1, 1939, but he avoided warning the Polish leaders about that. That information (about the prospect of facing the combined might of the German and Soviet armies) would of course have revived the Germano-Polish negotiations for a necessary settlement of the Germano-Polish disputes in the minute. But that would also have destroyed the [future] Allies’ perfect Polish pretext for a war against Germany. That’s why FDR said nothing.

                  https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1018853/

                  https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t906738/

                  http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_weber.html

                  Tim wrote: “Stalin got a war of aggression going against Poland . I can’t think of any other way to put it. So why didn’t we try to prosecute some ruskies at the end of WW2? ”

                  Because the so-called ‘crime against peace’ that was the invasion of Poland was nothing but a mere pretext for war on the Allied side and the Soviets were on the victors’ side. Since victors are never guilty of anything, there was no reason to prosecute the Soviet victors for the invasion of 60% of Poland in 1939.

                  Too bad the hypocritical Anglo-Saxons criminalized so-called ‘wars of aggression’ only after they had conquered huge areas of this world through countless wars of aggression. Unfortunately their two-speed new moral standards came too late for their countless victims…

                  The fake Anglo-American concern for the independence of the small states in Central and Eastern Europe was in reality just a trick intended to keep Germany and Austria weak, divided and impotent after WW1. If I defeated the United States of America in a war, I would also cut it into numerous tiny states and claim I’m doing that for the sake of the inhabitants living there. Of course, I would claim I feel concerned about the right of self-determination of the inhabitants living in each US county. But my real goal would be the permanent neutralization of the US threat by extreme fragmentation. That’s what Woodrow Wilson and his successors did in Europe until the Soviets swallowed the whole thing after WW2 with the Anglo-American approval.

                  Comment by hermie — April 22, 2016 @ 9:03 am

                • Kiss his ass is the only way I can think to put it. We wag our finger at hitler for rolling into Poland,but we turn a blind eye to Stalin. Either you or your sparing partner Jeff,said the Poles didn’t want shit to do with the Soviets. Like I said,one of Dolittles bomber crews land in Russia and they get locked down. Too bad Germany wasn’t that close. They would’ve been better off there. Yeah. I agree with the people that say we were fighting the wrong country. Now days were quick to go into other countries when they get invaded by a rival country. I can understand splitin Berlin up after the war,but let Russia take Poland . Give Russia France . That’s was and still is a waste case country. General Patton wanted to put the Krauts to work rebuilding their country when the shooting stopped. That made too much sense. I imagine people would say we were standing up to Russia with operation vittles. I think we did that to ease our guilt. McArthur made his share of mistakes,but I heard he shut Russia down when they thought they could move on Japan. Everybody and their cousin made their peace with the Niponese. Russia acted like spoiled ass babies and wanted a seperate peace with Japan . It seems to me like we were to chicken shit to stand up to Russia and tell them “the shits over”. It’s shit like that where I say we kissed Russia’s ass. What was accomplished by letting Russia do that? Did Russia still have an axe to grind with Japan over the Japanese Russo war? So we stand by and wait till Russia gets their seperate terms with Japan,when everyone else has gotten over everything. Everybody is so worried about teaching the holo in schools. What ever may or may not have happened with the holo,it was just another part of WW2. Tell the Jews to quit dwelling on it. It happened. Get over it. They need to start looking at the other shit. A lot of it don’t make good sense

                  Comment by Tim — April 22, 2016 @ 10:12 am

            • “And what do you think of the facts below? Not telling to you?

              • Stalin abandoned work on the Palace of the Soviets (supposed to show the greatness of Communism);”

              What does that have to do with anything? Stalin ruled a country devastated by war that he needed to put back together, not build monuments.

              “• Stalin had Marshal Zhukov, not himself, the supreme commander, lead the victory parade in 1945;”

              Interesting back story:
              Stalin wanted to lead the parade but when he tried to do so he figured out that he looked ridiculous sitting on the back of a horse. Also, Stalin was getting older, his health was starting to decline so he didn’t feel well enough. This led to Stalin taking the salute of the Victory Parade with Zhukov leading. It is believed that Stalin’s resentment of Zhukov started at that time.

              “• No other official May 9 victory parade but the one in 1945 was ever authorized until after his death;”

              See above.

              “• Stalin never wore any of the medals he was awarded during the war; and”

              So?

              “• He hinted to some of his close associates that he might retire now that the war was over.”

              As I’ve mentioned, Stalin was getting older and his health was starting to decline. He did start to take longer vacations after this time, as well as leaving more to his subordinates.

              Look, I’m not saying that Stalin didn’t want more or that he wasn’t disappointed in how things turned out. I think you are over blowing it.

              “Do these things look like the attitude of a victorious leader? Or do these things rather look like the attitude of a very disappointed leader not having gained more than a parcel of what he originally wanted?”

              A parcel?
              By 1950 all of Eastern Europe (except Yugoslavia) was under Soviet control. Did he want more? Probably. Maybe he was disappointed. But I imagine being one of the world’s superpowers helped alleviate that disappointment.

              Comment by Jeff K. — April 21, 2016 @ 9:31 am

              • Everyone knows Stalin was a few fries short of a happy meal, but you said he had that guy lead the parade,cause he wasn’t in any shape to do it himself. He’s not making any sense

                Comment by Tim — April 21, 2016 @ 12:04 pm

            • Jeff wrote: “Even after the War, when the Red Army supplanted the Wehrmacht as the premier fighting force in Europe, Stalin attempted no major aggressive actions.”

              “You mean after WW2? If so, that was no surprise, with the United States being the only nuclear superpower in the world at that time.”

              Only until 1949.
              Even then the nuclear stockpile was rather small:

              http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/ABC_Weapons/US_Nuclear_Stockpile.htm

              It is likely that Stalin knew this with the amount of spies he had in the US government. It is likely that any war fought between the US and the USSR from 1945-48 would have been largely conventional. Undoubtedly Stalin tread lightly for a combination of reasons, nuclear, wanting the US to disengage from Europe, etc.

              Comment by Jeff K. — April 21, 2016 @ 9:42 am

      • Jeff K. and Company
        The reason that so many soldiers of the Socialist ‘paradise’ were so easily captured at the beginning of the German-Soviet conflict was that whole Soviet armies were in forward positions poised to attack not only Germany but expecting to bring their version of ‘paradise’ to all of western Europe. This first strike configuration does not allow for defensive precautions which made them vulnerable to the German offensive which beat them to the punch. That’s the real reason the Germans opened a two front war, which they, from experience dreaded and wanted to avoid with their 1939 pact with the Soviets. Wily Stalin had other ideas for the pact with the Germans. He wanted a war between Germany and the British/French alliance, expecting them to exhaust themselves, allowing the Soviets to mop up the remnants and take control of western Europe. Unexpectedly the German Blitzkrieg didn’t end in an exhausted stalemate. He none the less had to act while still having overwhelming military superiority. For example they had more military Aircraft and Tanks than all the western countries put together. Their Tanks were far heavier with higher velocity fire power than anything the Germans had. While examining the German Tank production facilities, during their short lived alliance, they couldn’t believe that the Germans were showing them their latest model Tanks and were hiding their advanced models. So in effect the ‘Nazi’s’ saved western Europe from enjoying the pleasures of the Bolshevik holiday camp under the iron fist of mostly Jewish Commissars. Having the ‘Nazi’s’ as saviours doesn’t sit well with our overseers, thus the lack of publicity to the following source material. See Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s ‘200 Years Together: Russo-Jewish History.’ – ‘ICEBREAKER: Who Started The Second World War?’ By The Russian Jew, Victor Suvorov (A Nom de Plume) – ‘DEATHRIDE: Hitler vs Stalin: The Eastern Front, 1941-1945’ by, John Mosier – ‘Stalins War of Extermination 1941-1945’ by, Joachim Hoffmann. – ‘Stalin’s War’ by, Ernst Topitsch. And a research paper in World Affairs, Vol.159 # 2 Fall 1996 titled ‘Stalin’s Role in the Coming of World War II, By, R. C. Raack.

        Comment by John Mortl — April 21, 2016 @ 12:44 pm

    • theendofzion.com: ““Nevertheless, the bravery of Hitler and the noble German people during this era saved the European people from certain death at the hand of Jewish Bolsheviks”

      Widespread misconception. A cursory glance at the present condition of Western and Eastern Europe is enough to realize that Americanism was/is a far more dangerous threat to the survival of Europe in the long (not so long after all) run than Bolshevism ever was.

      “of the two great dangers confronting Europe – Americanism and Communism – the first is the more insidious. Communism cannot be a danger other than in the brutal and catastrophic form of a direct seizure of power by communists. On the other hand Americanization gains ground by a process of gradual infiltration, effecting modifications of mentalities and customs which seem inoffensive in themselves but which end in a fundamental perversion and degradation against which it is impossible to fight other than within oneself.” – Italian philosopher Julius Evola

      Comment by hermie — April 20, 2016 @ 4:18 pm


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