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April 24, 2016

Have you ever heard of “Holocaust survivor guilt”?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 8:07 am

Today, I am writing about a Holocaust news article which I read today: https://news.illinoisstate.edu/2016/04/holocaust-survivors-guilt-spreads-generations/

Why would a Holocaust survivor feel any guilt about surviving? According to the news article, it is because so many others died, but the survivors were somehow saved.

The following quote is from the news article, cited above:

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For many [Holocaust] survivors, it was older and younger relatives who perished in the death camps and at the hands of the mobile killing squads of the Nazis. “Students always ask why people didn’t resist or leave,” said Professor of History Katrin Paehler, who teaches the history of the Holocaust. “I talk about family connections, and that resistance is a young man’s and [young] woman’s game.”

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The man in the photo above is Abba Kovner.

Paehler often tells students of Jewish resistance fighter Abba Kovner, a youth leader in the Jewish ghetto of Vilna in the Soviet Union. Kovner took resistance fighters from the ghetto and they actually survived in the forest. “Kovner once said that as he was taking young fighters out of the ghetto, his mother asked him what to do. He left her in the ghetto,” said Paehler. “You can’t take an old woman into the forest and expect her to survive. Yet ever since then, he asked himself, ‘Am I a hero or a bad son?’”

Holocaust survivor guilt can be compounded by the idea that Jews and other targeted groups should have left Europe before they were rounded up. Paehler dismisses this idea as “the gift of hindsight.”

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I wrote about Abba Kovner in this previous blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/anton-schmidt-two-minutes-of-silence-in-his-honor-at-eichmanns-trial/

20 Comments »

  1. FURTHERGLORY, COMMENTATORS. In comments here and on previous posts I note that no one of You all realize what Nazism had been and neo-nazism still is:
    It had grown as a result of century long defamation and discrimination of Jews, from the Curch Father along to preachers who blamed us for believing only in G’D and in no other. All those pious hatred sprayer ignore that Jesus Christ in his life time had been a believing Jew and had been death sentenced by the Roman tiranny.
    In the centuries there had been the rivaltry between Papacy and Emperors meaning the struggle State vs Theocrazy. From this rivalry-struggle arose the theory of a perfect society headed by a Prior – a leader or … the Fuehrer whom full obedience is mandatory. Then arose the idea of German Supremacy over all European nations with the extermination of Jews. The early German Romanticism – in time of wars against Napoleon – together with the external enemy (France) needed an internal enemy and found the Jews. The other external enemies had been found in the slavonic peoples – Poles and Russians – in order to catch their fields – and then …
    Clearly in times of economical and social struggles a minority living in small comunities among all the other populations is an easy scape goat. So the hatred propaganda found more and more followers, mainly in the lower middle class in difficulty to find its place in speedly changing economic order.
    Due to many economic and social problems risulting from the idiocy of certain so called “statemen” a figure like Hitler could rise on power with his program of totalitarism, subduing Europe and Middle East in order to catch the corn and oil fields. Jews and other minorities (Gypsies and others) had to be exterminated. Like a mass production line a mass killing line had been set up to perform the mass extermination..
    So Jewish leaders of those times had to face officials fuelled with more and more hatred and themself spied on. Especially after 1939 the struggle for survival became harder and harder requiring strong work, decisions taken at once, look for the right way to adress the official one had facing, etc. etc.
    Then, as seen here, some one dares to speek about the guilt of survival, lies, frauds in order to get undue reparations, Jewish cospiracy, lack of resistance, etc. etc.
    Here one commentator suggested for all survivers a mass suicide in order to atone guilt.
    None of You has understanding for the long lasting effects on phisycal and psicological health of those who passed traumatic events through. Nor for the effects on psicology of children and grand children growing up with parents or grand parents who passed trough traumatic events.
    Certain reviews blamed my Father for having spoken in his interview without showing any emotion about the fate of inmates or so. Here my opinions are rejected as due to my emotional ties with the subject.
    No one apreciates the effort of my late Father and myself to speek only about facts and historical background avoiding tearpressing or so. Clearly this does not meet the standards set by SHOAH BUSINESS divisions.
    We are blamed for our survival, that is the guilt of all survivors..

    Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 26, 2016 @ 1:53 am

    • You wrote: “It had grown as a result of century long defamation and discrimination of Jews, from the Curch Father along to preachers who blamed us for believing only in G’D and in no other.

      Then arose the idea of German Supremacy over all European nations with the extermination of Jews.”

      You have written your side of the story very well. My blog is about the other side of the story which is known by several names, including “Holocaust denial.” Your side of the story is the truth in 19 countries, where my side of the story is against the law, and anyone who believes it will be thrown in prison for 5 years or more.

      Germany now belongs to the Jews again. Millions of Jews have returned to Germany where they can carry on business as usual. I have American friends who live in Germany; they send me photos which include their black German friends. Germany is now gone, so be happy that the Jews have won.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 26, 2016 @ 6:06 am

      • FURTHERGLORY. The difference is that I stood there in those times of darkness while You stood safe and write as a non informed bystander. Germany is now the leading power in Europe and has the right way to germanize the immigrants who become more and more Germans. Germany certainly does not belong to Jews – and never belonged to them – while the Muslim Comunity amounts to more than four milion members. Dure to the foolish attempt to overrung Europe militarly Germany had heavy losses of men. So after having received the ethnic Germans expelled from East Europe the industrial sector needs more men and so they accept immigrants to germanize.
        I do not think to be accepted on this site any more and so I say good bye.

        Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 26, 2016 @ 9:18 am

    • Anti-Semitism didn’t come from hatred. Anti-Semitism was a Gentile reaction against ‘Semitism,’ i.e. the exponential growth of Jewish power in the 19th century (after the foolish Jewish ’emancipation’ of the ‘French’ (Judeo-Masonic) revolution became widespread in Europe). Jewry’s domination over Germany had increased exponentially between the German defeat of 1918 and blessed 1933. Hitler was a real hero of civil rights, freeing the German people from the yoke of a foreign domineering race on its way to total hegemony. A people living under the boot of a minority clique is not liberty. That’s serfdom, colonial domination or Plutocratic barbarity. But I suppose it is no surprise that fallen lords call the loss of their unfair privileges ‘tyranny’ and ‘hatred’ after all…

      Comment by hermie — April 26, 2016 @ 7:39 am

  2. “Have you ever heard of “Holocaust Survivor Guilt”?

    Yes, I have unfortunately. This fake psychological syndrome is actually a very clever sub-genre of Holocaustianity.

    1) It reinforces the false idea that there was indeed a holocaust in the first place from which one could survive.

    2) The “survivor” automatically wins the heart-felt admiration from everyone for his ability and sheer good fortune in managing to survive such a terrible event.

    3) The “survivor” gains extra sympathy because his heart, mind and soul are clearly racked by guilt, and thus he can play emotionally upon the public’s goodwill, who will naturally rally around him with their thoughts and prayers (and maybe even their money?) to alleviate this pent-up guilt that consumes him.

    4) The “survivor” even gains extra kudos for displaying human concern towards those who allegedly perished. They were chosen to become noble innocents – destined to enter paradise, while he was deemed unworthy, and thus left behind by providence in order to give testament to the world.

    Oh yes – “Holocaust Survivor Guilt” is certainly an important ingredient in the holohoax scam.

    Comment by Talbot — April 24, 2016 @ 1:18 pm

  3. I am every time angry when I read the bllame WHY THERE HAD BEEN NO RESISTANCE or JEWS UNABLE TO SELF DEFENCE. as such questions show great ignorance about real conditions at those times, The Jewish minority lived in comunities in midd of the other populations and had not a certain territory. Living mainly in towns Jews hardly could live hidden in forests or so. Therefore only individuals could join resistance groups in Poland, Baltic area or Russia, In Germany, Austria, Bohemia-Moravia, Hungary taking part in a resistance group had been almost unthinkable,
    In France and Italy there had been jewish doctors who joined resistance groups and helped with their professional skill. The revolts of Warshaw, Treblinka, Sobinor were due to the loss of any hope.
    At Theresienstadt the Eichmann team tried with agent provocateurs to ignit a revolt to repress in the night of April 17/18 1945. A Wehrmacht unit stood nearby ready to act against “civilians revolting behind the front line”. At folllowing mornig report Comander Rahm told the Elder. FORTUNATELY I DID NOT FIND PEOPLE AROUN IN THE STREETS, ONE CANNOT HELP TO SHOOT IN SUCH EVENTS. Indeed, at Red Cross visit of April 5 1945 the Elder endangered himself and launched a cry for help and the brave Delegates caught it and suddenly started help action. So a “heroic revolt” would have nullified the Red Cross help action as repression of a revolt behind the battlefront is a military action; here the liquidation of all of us at Theresienstadt. At April 21 the Red Cross Delegate Paul Dunant strongly asked for keeping calm and order.
    I could go on but such questions showing deep ignorance anger more than some fault searching questions I rebuked in other posts.

    Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 24, 2016 @ 11:05 am

  4. Since every Jew who [actually or fictionally] died during WW2 is now said to have necessarily “perished in the death camps and at the hands of the mobile killing squads of the Nazis,” one should congratulate the Germans for having apparently fully defeated the large epidemics which had decimated the inhabitants of Eastern Europe by the millions during the previous world war and the following years (ditto for the earlier wars in that area). An unparalleled medical miracle for sure…

    Comment by hermie — April 24, 2016 @ 11:00 am

    • HERMIE, It seems to me that you are not wiser as those ignorant students. Clearly, you regret that some Jews survived.

      Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 24, 2016 @ 11:08 am

      • wolf wrote: “HERMIE, It seems to me that you are not wiser as those ignorant students.”

        Your Holo-bamboozlement propaganda work would be much easier if I were ‘not wiser than those ignorant students,’ wouldn’t it?😉

        Feel free to tell me how all those ‘survivors’ apparently know their missing (or allegedly missing) relatives and friends were all murdered by the Nazis and didn’t merely die of any other war-linked cause but mass murder.

        wolf wrote: ” Clearly, you regret that some Jews survived.”

        Emotional bullying doesn’t work with me. Find something else, wolfie.

        Debate like a man, not like a spoiled kid, crybaby kike…

        Comment by hermie — April 24, 2016 @ 11:22 am

        • HERMIE,TALBOT, So among friends. I was a kid when my Father had to face the Nazis in the struggle for the survival of the Ghetto Theresienstadt, and after war end victim of the persecution started by the comunists and followed by the profit makers of the Shoah Business. I had been a kid of 8 years when I had been summoned to the SS Head Quarter and questioned by three of the worst associates of Eichmann and risked to be taken as hostage (in fact to be shot suddenly). Now I am an old man of 80 and still have to rebuke stupid accusations. Yes, I have three cousins who survived Auschwitz and more relatives perished somewhere in Poland and we never knew exact place and date of their martyrdom, Yes, I remember friends who left Theresienstadt towards Auschwitz and never returned, Yesm my late Father had been tortured by the SURVIVOR SYNDROME and doubts about decisions he had to tale ad once without any time to overthin or, ask for advises. Nor had he the necessary informations, So I started to study the background of events and here we are discussing. And Your fault searching questioning shows how important the study of historical background realy is, I recall facrs while you express only prejudices, And I do not think to be a spoiled kid, That is all,

          Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 24, 2016 @ 2:36 pm

          • I suggest mass suicide as a means for them to atone for their guilt

            Comment by Schlageter — April 24, 2016 @ 5:01 pm

          • C’mon, Wolfie. The ‘Holocaust’ was not about facing SS men and being scared by that.

            wolf wrote: “I recall facrs while you express only prejudices,”

            You don’t recall facts. You spread undocumented hearsay rumors – most of time absurd and/or physically-impossible rumors – at best. You can call the argumented debunkings of your rumors ‘prejudice,’ ‘fault-finding puritanism’ or any other vilifying name your mind is able to devise if you want to. But your testimonial ‘facts’ deserve as much credence as Bigfoot hunts and Spiritism.

            wolf wrote: “And I do not think to be a spoiled kid,”

            So stop using your usual tantrums and debate others’ claims with real arguments instead of trying to bully people with constant dodgings such as ‘Clearly you regret some Jews survived’ and similar BS.

            Comment by hermie — April 24, 2016 @ 7:51 pm

            • HERMIE. You fail to understand that THE SUICIDE OF EUROPE IN WWI, WWII AND ALL RELATED TRAGEDIES – from Holocaust to the forced exodus of Ethnic Germans of East Europe – are facts to study without any racial or relgious prejudice. So when I recall what my family passed through i am also interested to hear what other people have to tell us. A German gentleman who had to enlist in the Wehrmacht when he was 17 explainde me that they too feared the SS, And when someone recalls the fate of a relative captured after war end I can suppose that a so called comrade able to change suddenly hat had denounced him.
              When the main plant of SHOAH BUSINESS – TEAR PRESSING DIVISION – USHM presenting the figure of my Father writes that he worked closely with Eichmann I can only get angry about their ignorance; Indeed a Jewish Leader had to face the Nazi official and in no way could work closely with him. Yoy at least reply in a harsh way while the USHM not even answered my protest. Much of the causes of WWII are due to the foolish USA foreing policy; especially to the hipocrisy and foolness of President Willson.
              We could go on exchanging “nicities” here while a serious collection of individual expreriences to evaluate refering to the historic background would be better. Unfortunately You will reply with the usual “nicities”,

              Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 25, 2016 @ 2:36 am

              • wolf wrote: “HERMIE. You fail to understand that THE SUICIDE OF EUROPE IN WWI, WWII AND ALL RELATED TRAGEDIES – from Holocaust to the forced exodus of Ethnic Germans of East Europe – are facts to study without any racial or relgious prejudice.”

                Everybody has racial or/and religious ‘prejudices.’ The people claiming they are anti-racist are most of time anti-White people and the people claiming they are anti-religious are most of time anti-Christian people. And I fail to see why racial ‘prejudices’ would prevent anybody from understanding the ‘Holocaust,’ i.e. allegedly the culmination of racial ‘prejudice.’ Jewish and Zionist ‘Holocaust historians’ are themselves full of racial & religious ‘prejudices’ (like most other Jews), but you chose to believe them nevertheless because their stories suit you.

                wolf wrote: “So when I recall what my family passed through i am also interested to hear what other people have to tell us. A German gentleman who had to enlist in the Wehrmacht when he was 17 explainde me that they too feared the SS, And when someone recalls the fate of a relative captured after war end I can suppose that a so called comrade able to change suddenly hat had denounced him.”

                Basically the same job as the work of a guy collecting testimonies about alien abductions, ghost manifestations and witch charms. You’re lucky people are gullible to rely on farcical ‘evidence’ such as testimonies…

                wolf wrote: “Much of the causes of WWII are due to the foolish USA foreing policy; especially to the hipocrisy and foolness of President Willson.”

                Wilson was an agent of Zionists. How could he have dismantled the Ottoman empire to please his Zionist bosses by giving Palestine to them without dismantling the German and Austro-Hungarian empires – allegedly because of a ‘right to self determination’ of the peoples living withing those empires – too? He could hardly have justified that.

                Comment by hermie — April 25, 2016 @ 8:10 pm

          • Wolf Murmelstein – I can understand your own father during those post-war years being racked by introspection and guilt for what happened. The poor man was certainly in an unenviable position during those months that he was a Jewish Elder in the Theresensienstadt Ghetto. He had to obey the orders and directives of the ghetto commander at all times, while at the same time trying to address the daily needs and concerns of the inmates.

            That’s fair enough – but we are now over 70 years beyond these events. The world has moved on a long way since those terrible years, and all those “survivors” who have managed to live out their lives into the 21st Century no longer need to feel any guilt about happened. Let them just enjoy their latter years – and stop dwelling on the past. For young people today this all ancient history anyway, and they’ve got more important concerns to attend to.

            But just look at the above news article from an Illinois educational establishment. Its entitled;- “Holocaust Survivors’ Guilt spreads through the generations.”

            And it goes on to say;-

            “Holocaust Remembrance Day begins the evening of May 4. Amid those attending the ceremonies and remembrances to honor the millions slaughtered in the Holocaust will be those who carry the burden of memories they never experienced—the children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of those who survived.

            My heart sunk when I read that! This means that “Holocaust Survivor Guilt” is not just restricted to those elderly folk who actually experienced the trauma and tragedy of WW2, but carries on through subsequent generations of people who were not even born at the time. This is all nonsense!, and it is one of the reasons why so many us regard the alleged “holocaust” with such contempt. It has not only become a morbid, lucrative, money-making machine, but a very clever and cunning educational and highly emotional tool to keep everyone else feeling responsible, guilty and remorseful for what happened back during those years.

            No! – its well past time that the world moved away from all this artfully constructed “guilt”.

            Comment by Talbot — April 25, 2016 @ 7:35 am

            • TALBOT. All faith comand to remember the ancestors and honor their memory. So we Jews have the duty to recite prayers and learn about life in those times of darkness As far as I know Cristians of various denomination have similar duties too. But we have to study history – facts – without any rethoric. My Father in his interview to Lanzmanann explained clearly that in those times all had been martyrs but no one a saint. It is studied in psicology how traumatic events one passed through have effects of his spirit and so on the psicological growt of children and grandchildren. Clearly all the SHOAH BUSINESS has very dangerous psicological effects; matter for an essay.
              We ought to study history not to chat about it but learn how to prevent that tragedies occure again; so esplained by Ben Gurion (!).
              However I am already 80 and have to rebuke accusations – so stupid as offensive – against my Father relating to events occured when I was an 8 years old kid. Accusations risen by persons who at that time had not been “shitted on the world” (in Concentration Camps an usual way of the SS to ask personal data of new inmates). Clearly defending my Father I defend also the historical good name of all the other Jewish leaders of those times of darkness and died as martyrs.
              I listen also to what non Jews can tell me about events their families passed through in the same times and learned much. In various comments here I expressed my view that what a Nazi defendant can say in these times trials is precious for a better understanding of history.
              Following today political events I think that politicians did not learn the lessons of history. Awfull.
              The German version of my Father’s book got also an Austrian government help for publication But I understand that no USA or UK publisher will take the risk of an English versions; indeed the evidence given by my Father does not meet the standards set by SHOAH BUSINESS and the wide market. The risk is that so a lot of stupid tales can go around and a basic evidence will be almost lost.

              Comment by WOLF MURMELSTEIN — April 25, 2016 @ 10:37 am


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