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May 24, 2016

two sisters in the gas chamber waiting to die…

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 7:44 am
Nail marks on gas chamber wall made by women trying to claw their way out

Nail marks on Auschwitz gas chamber wall made by Jews trying to claw their way out

I love gas chamber stories, especially stories about Jewish girls who were saved when they were unexpectedly pulled out of a gas chamber by a German soldier.

The most famous story of a Jewish girl being pulled out of a gas chamber is the story of Irene Zisblatt, who was pulled out of a gas chamber by a Jewish Sonderkommando.

I wrote about Irene on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/stuck-in-the-door-of-the-gas-chamber-how-irene-zisblatt-survived-auschwitz-birkenau/

My 2005 photo of the gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp

My 2005 photo of gas chamber in Auschwitz camp

As far as I know, there were no Jewish men who were pulled out of a gas chamber, but I could be wrong.  My memory is not what it used to be.

Why would a German soldier go into a gas chamber and pull out a Jewish girl who was on the verge of death?  To rape her, of course.  German men are not noted for being rapists. Rape was punishable with a death sentence in Nazi Germany, but maybe rape of a Jewish woman was allowed by the Nazis.

I am commenting today on a news article which you can read in full at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-pauline-lowry/a-chat-with-rufi-thorpe-a_b_10091600.html

The following quote is from the news article, cited above:

In [the novel] Dear Fang, Lucas’ grandmother Sylvia barely survived life in a concentration camp during WWII. She and her sister were in the gas chamber waiting to die, and an officer pulled Sylvia out, raped her and then set her free. Her sister was not so lucky. And every year Sylvia celebrated her “rape birthday” with a birthday cake. Lucas would always remember “the blue flowers of lard frosting she would lick off the knife.” What did this rape birthday mean to you? What did you want to get across in writing about it?

Well, on the one hand, I stole it. The bones of it were a story told to me by a dear friend and mentor who had a family member who had experienced that. So there was a kind of radiant authenticity to me, right away—this eccentricity of the cake, of the combination of freedom and sexual violence.

But I suppose it was also because my mother was sexually abused as a child and one of my very close friends was violently raped. I watched them struggle over years, decades, with it, and what I saw in their journeys seemed so far from how sexual violence and rape were generally talked about. The world saw rape as scandalous, almost licentious, but to me it seemed very threadbare and common.

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What else is new? The Jews will continue lying until there are no more Jews in this world.

 

 

290 Comments »

  1. Informative article . BTW , others require a MA CJ-D 301 L , I filled out a blank document here https://goo.gl/FKr5Op.

    Comment by mariel camu — October 5, 2016 @ 10:49 pm

  2. Tim, the SS was subordinate to the SA until the “Night of the Long Knives.” The SA were a paramilitary force used by Hitler to break up opposition meetings, protect Nazi meetings, terrorize the opposition, etc. Basically they were thugs.
    Roehm was gay, in fact, many SA leaders were gay. This was never a problem for Hitler as long as they were useful. In fact, according to William Shirer the two men were friends, however Richard Evans believes the two men were not close. Check out The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and the Third Reich in Power, both authors give details about this.
    Roehm’s homosexuality was an issue with the regular military, however a bigger concern for the German generals was Roehm’s desire to replace the regular army with the SA. The SA was an issue after Hitler gained power, Roehm and the SA wanted a continuous state of revolution which did not go with Hitler’s plans.
    Himmler and Goering led Hitler to believe that Roehm was planning a putsch, this led to the Night of the Long Knives. Hitler also took the opportunity to eliminate other rivals and old enemies at this time.
    For example, the SS murdered Gregor Strasser, at one time Hitler’s number 2 man in the Nazi Party.

    Comment by Jeff K. — June 1, 2016 @ 8:04 am

    • I have a first edition of “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” and I have read it. I think that the book contains some errors. I blogged about this at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/adolf-hitler-the-carpet-eater-teppichfresser/

      Comment by furtherglory — June 1, 2016 @ 8:30 am

      • I first read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” when I was 13. I found a paperback copy that my father owned. It was my first introduction to WW II, frankly, this is where my fascination started with the Third Reich and WW II.
        I’ve always owned a copy since that point. As I’ve gotten older I’ve found flaws in it, Shirer wrote the book in what, 1962? Since then new information emerged and many different scholars have researched that time period.
        I enjoy the writing style, Shirer wrote the book from the viewpoint of a journalist, not a historian. While Shirer loses his objectivity at many points you can’t fault his use of primary documentation, plus his personal observations. I notice that many historians continue to quote him in their works on the Third Reich.
        I think Shirer’s book is a good starting point for anyone wanting to learn more about the time period. I would then recommend Richard Evans “Third Reich Trilogy.” A good biography of Hitler is Ian Kershaw’s two volume work, anyone who wants to know more about the Holocaust I recommend Saul Friedlander’s “Years of Extermination, 1939-1945” or Timothy Snyder’s “Bloodlands” (Snyder also deals with Stalin’s purges, the Holdomor, etc).
        I know you don’t like it but I also recommend Rees’ book on Auschwitz.

        Comment by Jeff K. — June 1, 2016 @ 8:54 am

        • You wrote: “I first read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” when I was 13.”

          When I was 13, I was in the 8th grade. This was in 1946 and I was reading about the history of World War I. Not many history books had been written yet about World War II.

          Comment by furtherglory — June 1, 2016 @ 9:05 am

          • A couple of years ago at the 100th anniversary of the start of WW I I realized I didn’t know much about it. I went and purchased a couple of books on it. John Keegan wrote a very good book on WW I.

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 1, 2016 @ 9:25 am

            • My father fought in World War I. He was very proud of his service to his country. He kept his uniform in the closet for the rest of his life. When he died, I donated his uniform to the VFW [Veterans of Foreign Wars].

              Comment by furtherglory — June 1, 2016 @ 9:58 am

              • I want to say that I appreciate your father’s service. Any man or women who fights for their country deserves and gets my respect.
                My father served, as did my uncles. My uncle Allen is still in the Air Force and is serving as a military attaché in Czechoslovakia.

                Comment by Jeff K. — June 1, 2016 @ 10:15 am

                • My father could have been shooting at his relatives. His parents had come to America from Germany, and some of his relatives were still living in Germany.

                  In World War II, ethnic Germans were sent to fight in Japan, so that they would not have to shoot their relatives in Germany.I had an uncle who fought against the Japanese.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 1, 2016 @ 11:16 am

                • I am replying to my own comment to add that my German relatives refused to speak German after they came to America. They wanted to be Americans, not Germans living in America. I was always sad about this because I could have been learning German from native German speakers.When I was a child, about half the people in Missouri were ethnic Germans, who could speak German.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 1, 2016 @ 11:20 am

                • No one should give up their heritage. I understand the impulse to fit in, however.
                  My great-grandmother was Czech, she came to this country sometime in the 1880’s or 1890’s. She lived a very long time, I remember going to her funeral early in the 1970’s. My mother told me recently that my GGM’s father was murdered in front of her when she was a little girl.
                  From what I understand she had difficulty learning English.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 1, 2016 @ 11:33 am

                • You wrote: “My great-grandmother was Czech.”
                  At one point in history, the “Czechs” had a bad name. I wrote about this on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/04/16/the-little-known-fate-of-the-sudeten-germans/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 1, 2016 @ 11:43 am

                • I have a diverse heritage.
                  My father’s family is Irish, my mother, Czech-Irish.
                  My father’s family came to these country around two hundred years ago.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 1, 2016 @ 11:47 am

                • You wrote: “My father’s family came to this country around two hundred years ago.”
                  Two hundred years ago was not that long ago; it was 1816.
                  I am reminded of the song that goes:

                  “In 1814 we took a little trip
                  Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississippi
                  We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
                  And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans

                  Read more: Johnny Horton – The Battle Of New Orleans Lyrics | MetroLyrics
                  End quote

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 1, 2016 @ 11:53 am

                • That song is a blast from the past.

                  I’m not fond of country music but I always liked “Rose of El Paso” by Marty Robbins.

                  My grandfather liked Patsy Cline, he used to sit and listen to her albums with me in the room. Because of that I listen to Patsy Cline.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 1, 2016 @ 12:05 pm

                • You wrote: “I listen to Patsy Cline.”

                  I love Patsy Cline and I still listen to her recordings. I often wonder if she is Jewish and her name was originally Klein. I often wonder if she changed the spelling of her name because there are not many Jews in country music.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 1, 2016 @ 12:24 pm

                • I don’t know if she was Jewish but I can see your point about her changing her name if she was.

                  The odd thing is my wife is the country music fan but doesn’t like Patsy Cline, I don’t like country music and I do.

                  Her songs are great and I enjoy her voice. I’m also a Willie Nelson fan. I enjoy great guitar players and he definitely qualifies.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 1, 2016 @ 1:05 pm

  3. Great summation Tim…
    It’s not about hate it’s about truth….
    In the United States they are trying to bring the hate laws into the Holocaust debate to bring us up on charges of hate when were talking about the Holocaust subject of course we do have freedom of speech in this country as of now but I think at some point in time these freedoms are going to be tested with these hate laws primarily endorsed by the Jews.

    JR

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — May 28, 2016 @ 10:20 am

    • I’m gonna deduce lies are the general rule of thumb for the Jews . That makes it hard for them to understand,the fact they are a Jew has nothing to do with the price of beans in China . It’s their actions throughout the history of man that has defined who they are. In that sense they got no one to blame but themselves. Take away their deceit,greed,self centered attitude,etc. they’re just like the rest of us. They’ll never do that. So they’ll just have to accept the strife they’ve bought on themselves

      Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 10:36 am

      • When you think about it if the Jews just accepted that their Horror Disneyland stories are not true then they will mend the fences with the world.
        But nooooooo they continue to spread their lies even knowing that the Jewish version is wrong.
        Sad to see some good honest Jews take the hit for the lying SOB’s who have made the whole thing up.
        But the “good” Jews refuse to stand up for the truth or they are so brainwashed they actually believe the lies.
        Is there one true believing Jew willing to say yes we’ve been lied to? So far not many have taken the plunge.
        I’m a pretty forgiving guy, any apology and a handshke would do it for me.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — May 28, 2016 @ 11:39 am

        • Well what got me,was when the people from Auschwitz said the nail marks on the wall,were not there when the prison was running. From the way FG put it,the marks were made on the wall after the war. So the next time they make a claim about what happened in the prison,some folks are gonna be a bit critical of the claim. The Jews say some things I can accept,but they also come up with some whoppers.

          Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 6:54 pm

  4. What happened to Wolf?

    Comment by Anonymous — May 28, 2016 @ 5:33 am

    • I don’t know why Wolf Murmelstein is not commenting. He must be sick in bed. There has been nothing in the news about him, so I am assuming that he is alive, but not well.

      Comment by furtherglory — May 28, 2016 @ 6:38 am

      • When he doesn’t comment for awhile I run a search on his name. I haven’t seen anything on him, I just checked his name, there is nothing to indicate he passed away.

        Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 9:12 am

        • Maybe Wolf Murmelstein is not commenting because it is very upsetting to him when people, like me, disagree with his version of the story of Theresienstadt.

          Comment by furtherglory — May 28, 2016 @ 9:43 am

          • Yes, I find it hysterical when you and the others try and convince a HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR that the Holocaust never happened.
            You do realize how ridiculous that is, don’t you?

            Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 12:56 pm

            • I guess that would be as ridiculous as Mister Geppetto not recognizing Pinocchio as a son.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — May 28, 2016 @ 1:12 pm

              • Uh, Jim?
                Pinocchio is a fairy tale.
                Wolf is a real person.

                Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 1:35 pm

        • Have you ever managed to contact him on FB or by email?

          Comment by Anonymous — May 28, 2016 @ 12:18 pm

          • He’s on Facebook.
            I’ve had direct contact here but nowhere else.

            Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 12:20 pm

            • Wolfmans on FB? Well at least he’s okay if he is on FB. You ask him why we don’t hear from him anymore around here.

              Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 6:45 pm

              • I can’t comment on his posts.
                His last post was April 29th.

                I hope the old gentleman is doing OK.
                I can’t say I really blame him for not commenting here anymore.

                Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 7:00 pm

                • Well I may not agree with everything he says,but I don’t wish no ill will towards him. You said you’ve spoke with him on FB,so I can surmise he’s still with us. I used to kid with Wolfman and Hermie. They way they’d go at it. I told the 2 of them I was gonna book them for 12 rounds at either Caesars or the MGM in Vegas.

                  Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 9:41 pm

        • I just wanted to say that i really appreciate the work you’re doing here.

          Comment by Anonymous — May 28, 2016 @ 1:01 pm

          • Thanks.
            I’m a bit of a one-man band.

            Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 1:04 pm

        • Without you it would be pretty much an echo chamber. Looks like Srebrenica left too.

          Comment by Anonymous — May 28, 2016 @ 1:22 pm

          • I rather liked srebrenica. I’m sorry he? she? left.

            Berg did drive me away with his vomit-inducing racism. That’s really the only thing I can’t stand.

            Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 1:39 pm

            • I don’t know how the Holohucksters can stay on the list with the ridiculous claims and all the lies.
              And what makes it even worse is they never ever say anything about the people who are lying. How about at least at some point in your discussion you expose the lies and then just deal with the facts….. now they have to deal with the non facts and then back up their lies.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — May 28, 2016 @ 1:50 pm

              • “I don’t know how the Holohucksters can stay on the list with the ridiculous claims and all the lies.”

                Ridiculous is the idea the Germans sent the Jews to the East instead of killing them.

                “And what makes it even worse is they never ever say anything about the people who are lying. How about at least at some point in your discussion you expose the lies and then just deal with the facts….. now they have to deal with the non facts and then back up their lies.”

                Jim, as I’ve stated, I don’t care about the little old Jewish lady who spent three years eating and pooping out her diamonds.
                It’s irrelevant.
                Eyewitnesses testimony only fills in the blanks.

                Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 2:56 pm

                • Jeff…You say the eyewitness testimony fills in the blanks what does that mean when they are lying.
                  just one more thought you have a problem with where did the Jews go I honestly feel they weren’t that many Jews there the numbers are absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.
                  So that is the big question how many Jews were still in the area to be rounded up I think that most of them were gone.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 28, 2016 @ 3:04 pm

                • “Jeff…You say the eyewitness testimony fills in the blanks what does that mean when they are lying.”

                  Are they lying or are they just saying something you don’t want to hear?
                  They can give us details of the camps, corroboration of what the SS admitted, etc.

                  “just one more thought you have a problem with where did the Jews go”

                  No, I don’t have a problem. Deniers do.

                  “I honestly feel they weren’t that many Jews there the numbers are absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.”

                  Why?

                  “So that is the big question how many Jews were still in the area to be rounded up I think that most of them were gone.”

                  Give me proof of this statement.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 3:38 pm

    • I was getting ready to ask about Wolfman last night. Hope all is well with him

      Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 6:41 am

      • You wrote “Hope all is well with him [Wolf Murmelstein]”
        I think if he were dead, there would be news of it on the Internet. As the son of the famous Dr. Benjamin Murmelstein, Wolf is Weltbekkant.

        Comment by furtherglory — May 28, 2016 @ 7:11 am

        • Sorry. Forgot about that. I think that would be a story (the waste case news outlet) CNN would carry.

          Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 8:21 am

    • Wolf coudln’t take the truth anymore…….Irene “Shitting diamonds” Zisblatt….Yup she got a doozie of a story to tell because she was going backwards out of the room as the other suckers were going forward into the laughing gas room.
      Funny how some other Holohuxsters have borrowed her story……
      Of course her shitting diamonds for the next three years or whatever she said was even more ridiculous. Well it’s nice to see we have some Holohuxsters here that believe this crap….makes the hole HoloHoax more interesting.

      Comment by jrizoli — May 28, 2016 @ 7:28 am

      • The thing I’ve always had trouble with there. She’s never had any digestive tract issues? Think about it. These folks are malnourished,so their insides are gonna break down to a certain extent. With these diamonds constantly passing through there,wouldn’t they take their toll on her insides after awhile?

        Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 7:43 am

        • Oh, don’t be silly, Timmie; doncha know that diamonds are like manna/ambrosia to the lizard/reptilian digestive system?

          Comment by Anonymous — May 28, 2016 @ 3:54 pm

          • What a fascinating sentiment.

            It seems the reptile portion of your brain clearly dominates.

            Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 4:33 pm

      • Your truth, Jim?

        Your truth includes some ridiculous story that the Nazis transported the Jews East instead of killing them.

        Yet, somehow, you can’t prove it. How odd……

        You show your denier friends my comments. You tell them for me that I think they are full of crap. It will stay that way unless they can back what they say about the mystical camps/ghettos in the East.

        Show them my timeline, Jim. They’ll understand it.

        Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 1:01 pm

  5. “Tim on May 24, 2016 at 8:31 pm
    Water they scrubed the gas house out with. I would have to say people would have to know what they are doing when it came to that . As lethal as they say this shit is,it’s something a haz mat team should f–k with when it comes to disposal. If people don’t know how to handle that kinda waste,you’d end up with another “Love Canal,New York””

    It’s doubtful there was any real risk after the rooms were vented, Tim. Zyclon B is and was dangerous but it was a very common pesticide at that time and the Germans were well acquainted with its use. The gas is lighter than air and vents easily. You can see that the delousing buildings themselves were nothing special, no high chimneys or massive doors. They were simple brick and wooden structures. In fact, farmers used it to fumigate orchards by putting a simple covering over the trees (I think canvas or cloth) and holding it down with sand. I think one of the articles I posted describes this and has pictures.

    Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 9:59 pm

    • That’s the airborne stuff you’re referring to,right? What about if there’s any residue that settled on surfaces? All this stuff I know they measure in parts per million(however that works). For the sake of argument ( not that I would argue too much. I don’t know the chemical makeup of this shit),let’s say some of the residue settled somewhere in the gas house. After the place was vented,how long would it take for someone to say,”okay. It’s vented enough. Any residue will be harmless”. I read somewhere that they would gas the big warehouses to get the rodent problem under control. Took a while to air em out. Now I know the gas houses are a helluva lot smaller than a commercial warehouse,but even after they vented the warehouse,they would still go in wearing some kind of haz mat outfit. They said it was still no guarantee all the toxins were put. They said the gas would get inside the smallest crack. That’s where I get confused. I read the minute everyone was stiff as a board,they’d clean out the hut for the next bunch. The story made it sound like this was a nonstop meat grinder,where very little vacancy existed between the dead and the next batch. It don’t make sense that they could keep it going nonstop.

      Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 11:50 am

  6. “Talbot on May 24, 2016 at 8:17 pm
    But how did they remove the contaminated water afterwards? Did it sink away through drains built into the floor, or was some kind of mobile electric pump with a long flexible hose brought in to extract all the water. Then, one has to ask – was the water treated to remove any toxic residues before it emptied into the camp’s effluent disposal system.”

    I don’t know. Perhaps Pressac has an answer, I’ll glance through his book and see if he says anything about drains or drainage systems. I’ll see if Van Pelt has anything. Not tonight, though. I’m getting ready to go to bed and I’m taking the family to a water park in Texas tomorrow, Great Wolf Lodge in Dallas.
    The rooms were originally built as morgues, my guess is the drains already existed though I don’t know if they were ever connected to the general drainage pipe system of Birkenau.
    I do question the risk factor. Whatever was left in the room was residual in nature. I also question whether or not those in charge would consider such a risk (if indeed there was one) or care about any sort of environmental impact.

    Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 9:50 pm

    • Hope you all have a good time at the Water Park. It sounds like Texas is having great “outdoor” weather at the moment.

      Comment by Talbot — May 25, 2016 @ 9:25 am

      • It’s an indoor water park.
        Thank you for the sentiment. Hopefully we won’t have severe weather. It’s tornado season here.

        Comment by Jeff K. — May 25, 2016 @ 10:04 am

        • We had our twister down here in southeast Texas last year. This year,I’m sending it to your part of the state. If you go to any other waterpark. Stay away from schliterbann water park. It’s nasty as hell. All the wetbacks go there. Go to hippie hollow in Austin

          Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 12:05 pm

          • We’re at Great Wolf Lodge in Grapevine.

            Comment by Jeff K — May 25, 2016 @ 12:07 pm

            • Shit! That puts you close to Oklahoma and close to the outside of tornado alley. You’re still in it though. Have fun.

              Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 12:13 pm

      • You should’ve seen Dodge City,Kansas yesterday . Four monster twisters at once. They estimated one to be 3/4 of a mile at the base. One of the twisters passed about 35 to 40 yards away from a house. It was sucking that house right in. We had one here in La Grange last summer. Rain was coming down in buckets. Wind was kicking like a big dog. I heard the familiar “train sound”(that’s what a twister sounds like to me). My wife said,”wow listen to that hail”. BS. I knew that wasn’t hail. I stepped outside. The twister made a diagonal path through the front of our property. I saw it hit the house down the road. It hit their property and went straight along the side of their house. I was shittin all over myself. We climbed in the car and went down there. Everyone was okay. Shelia was wigging cause she couldn’t find the dogs. They turned up in their dog houses. Shaken,but unscathed

        Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 12:00 pm

        • Thank goodness you’re all OK. I’m told that these tornados are becoming more frequent and more intense in scale. Is that your observation too, Tim?

          Comment by Talbot — May 25, 2016 @ 12:09 pm

          • It’s been weird with the twisters. You’ll get the “global warming ” cranks blaming it on,global warming . I don’t buy into that crap. The worlds been changing every since it came into existence . I’ll stay right here. Jeffs the one that’s right at the beginning of tornado alley. I think it was last week Dumas (Texas panhandle) had some twisters touch down there. Nothing like the ones in Dodge City. I’d rather deal with the Hurricanes we had when o lived back in south Florida . You can see them coming. Twisters pop up without warning and where they damn well please. When twister weather pops up,I double up on the anti depressants. I’m still tripping out though. I don’t know where you live,but go to weathernationtv.com. They got footage of the twister from Dodge City.

            Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 12:24 pm

  7. I’m no expert on the human body,but something seems a bit hinky with the nail scratching picture. I’ve said before,if the prisoners were as malnourished as everybody and their cousin said they were,wouldn’t their nails be breaking left and right trying to scratch the concrete? Another thing. Why is it the claw marks on the wall,show no signs of aging? Look at the entire wall. It’s dark from aging over the course of time. Those claw marks are white. If they were made at the time the hebs were supposedly in the gas house clawing at the walls, wouldn’t it make sense that they would show the same signs of wear,as the rest of the wall. Not Al the claw marks look consistent with a hand that has 5 fingers. In fact,the marks don’t look consistent with fingernails period.? The marks look like they were made with a
    16 penny nail. I like the Star of David scratched into the wall,but that brings me to,2 other questions . I read where the hebs were packed like sardines. They’d die standing up. If that’s the case,how the shit did they manage to get down low enough to scratch the Jew symbol into the wall. Hey. They couldn’t move because they were packed tight,so how is someone gonna be able to get on the floor and scratch that shit in. I think that Star of David,was setup like a big dog. Somebody wants is to think the Jews were defiant to the end. Yet if they’re dying the agonizing death everyone said they did,how are they gonna be coherent enough to scratch that symbol in the wall?

    Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 11:22 am

    • Tim wrote: “I’m no expert on the human body,but something seems a bit hinky with the nail scratching picture. I’ve said before,if the prisoners were as malnourished as everybody and their cousin said they were,wouldn’t their nails be breaking left and right trying to scratch the concrete? ”

      Malnourished or not, physics says human nails can’t scratch concrete. Physically impossible…

      But if those walls were covered with plaster, why not? Were the walls of the Auschwitz ‘gas chamber’ coverered with plaster? Or are they just made of ‘nude’ concrete? Perhaps furtherglory or somebody else could answer this question…

      Comment by hermie — May 24, 2016 @ 6:35 pm

      • that’s why j said the claw marks look like someone took a 16 penny nail to the wall. Even if the claw marks weren’t there. The star of Dave is on the bottom of the wall,raises another question. How was someone gonna sit on the floor and carve the star of Dave on the wall? I read where the hebs were pack so tight,that they couldn’t move. So how was the person able sit down or squat down to carve it? Don’t make sense. Basically 2 and 2 ain’t coming out to 4 here.

        Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 6:58 pm

        • Why aren’t the wall stainrd with Prussian Blue that’s the color that ZB makes when it comes in contact with the walls but I don’t see any Prussian Blue color there why not are you going to tell me they scraped it all off with the fingernails.
          Sure why not….

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 7:06 pm

          • “Why aren’t the wall stainrd with Prussian Blue that’s the color that ZB makes when it comes in contact with the walls but I don’t see any Prussian Blue color there why not are you going to tell me they scraped it all off with the fingernails.
            Sure why not….”

            The mechanism that causes Prussian Blue is not particularly understood. Even Rudolf admits this:

            https://web.archive.org/web/20150118053324/http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/blue/

            https://web.archive.org/web/20150123073900/http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/

            Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 7:14 pm

            • So nobody knows how the chemical reaction works? Is that what you mean

              Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 7:18 pm

              • Yes.
                Richard Green believes that the gas chambers never formed the coloring because they were sprayed with water after use.
                The delousing chambers were dry.
                Interestingly, not all of the delousing chambers have the coloring, at least according to Green. The only pictures I’ve ever seen of the delousing chambers have that coloring.

                Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 7:32 pm

                • But how did they remove the contaminated water afterwards? Did it sink away through drains built into the floor, or was some kind of mobile electric pump with a long flexible hose brought in to extract all the water. Then, one has to ask – was the water treated to remove any toxic residues before it emptied into the camp’s effluent disposal system.

                  Comment by Talbot — May 24, 2016 @ 8:17 pm

                • Water they scrubed the gas house out with. I would have to say people would have to know what they are doing when it came to that . As lethal as they say this shit is,it’s something a haz mat team should f–k with when it comes to disposal. If people don’t know how to handle that kinda waste,you’d end up with another “Love Canal,New York”

                  Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 8:31 pm

                • You get forensic teams that show up at a murder scene. The killer may have cleaned all the blood up,but they take black lights ( I think it’s black lights) and some chemicals. They treat the area with the chemicals,turn off the lights and shine the black light on the area. Any blood stains not seen in normal lighting,will show up. Can they do anything like that,to these walls? I don’t have a degree in chemistry from University of Alabama,so I’m just throwing this out there. Chemicals,unlike human bloodsuckers not have any reaction to a black light. Yall are throwing the chemical reactions out here and I’m just trying to figure if there’s more than one way to detect the chemicals,if they’re not visible to the naked eye.

                  Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 8:41 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Richard Green believes that the gas chambers never formed the coloring because they were sprayed with water after use.”

                  Possible only 6 days later. i.e. after the time required to cremate 2,000 corpses in 15 ovens had elapsed, i.e. long after the cyanide deposited on the walls had penetrated them. Since the US wartime aerial photographs of Birkenau show those alleged corpses were not stored outside, the time required to empty the ‘gas chamber’ before any washing was possible, was in fact cremation time itself.

                  Comment by hermie — May 25, 2016 @ 5:19 am

                • “Possible only 6 days later. i.e. after the time required to cremate 2,000 corpses in 15 ovens had elapsed, i.e. long after the cyanide deposited on the walls had penetrated them. Since the US wartime aerial photographs of Birkenau show those alleged corpses were not stored outside, the time required to empty the ‘gas chamber’ before any washing was possible, was in fact cremation time itself.”

                  Not following.
                  The chambers were sprayed out after they were emptied of corpses.
                  Unlike the delousing chambers the gas chambers were vented after everyone was dead, let’s say 30 minutes after entrance.
                  I don’t know how many Sondercommandos were used to empty each chamber but there a lot of Sondercommandos per gas chambers.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 25, 2016 @ 6:45 am

                • I woke this morning at 7:30 which is 3 hours late for me. I found that there were 68 comments made while I was sleeping. I read the comments and my impression was that people were arguing about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. That’s what Catholics used to argue about. Now it is Holocaustians arguing about how nail scratches on a wall were put there. I first saw the gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp in September 1998; there were no nail marks on the wall at that time. The scratches have been put on the wall since 1998 and today’s visitors are told that these marks were made by human fingers.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 25, 2016 @ 8:01 am

                • If it helps, I haven’t said anything about the scratches on the wall.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 25, 2016 @ 8:28 am

                • You wrote: “I haven’t said anything about the scratches on the wall.”

                  Good for you. It is very obvious that the scratches were made some time after 1998 when I first saw the gas chamber building and photographed it. When I saw the gas chamber again in 2005, the scratches were there. The scratches are very high on the wall, which means that someone had to stand on the shoulders of another person to make the scratches with regular nails, not fingernails.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 25, 2016 @ 9:06 am

                • How’s anyone gonna stand on someone’s shoulders (not to mention if the Jews were as weak as they claim,nobody would stand on anyone’s shoulders)? I read a story you posted here that said,”they tossed the babies on top of the adults “. Like I said,”I read where they were packed so tight,nobody could move”. So again,how could anyone move,to get on someone’s back or shoulders. If I’m gettin ready to kick the bucket,I sure as hell ain’t gonna let no one on my back.

                  Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 11:21 am

                • FG it’s amazing how they can pass off these silly stories like the scratches on the wall. I never knew there were scratches on the wall from the beginning anyway so they had to be put there by someone later but this is just another way the Holohucksters try to sell their Horror at Disneyland story to the gullible goyim who don’t have enough brains to investigate what’s going on the too lazy to look up information that will expose the Holohoax for what it is. We try little by little to do it here in other places but it’s A Hard Sell sometimes for some people because they’ve been so brainwashed and I really don’t know whether they’re coming or going anymore when it comes to the topic of a HoloHoax.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 25, 2016 @ 10:40 am

                • You wrote: “they’ve been so brainwashed and I really don’t know whether they’re coming or going anymore when it comes to the topic of a HoloHoax.”

                  One of the biggest problems today are the HET tours that British students take. I have written many blog posts about the HET tours including this one:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/04/22/another-day-another-student-trip-to-auschwitz/

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 25, 2016 @ 10:59 am

                • I wrote the nail scratches looked like they were made with a 16 nail,not human nails. You said there were “no scratch marks”,when you were there in ’98. That was the whole point I was trying to make,when I mentioned the claw marks were made years after the end of WW2. That also explains how the star of Dave got scratched in at the bottom of the wall. You had a story in here one time that said,the hebs were packed so tight, they couldn’t move. The only way the star of Dave could have gotten scratched on the wall,was of the room was empty. I still one of the folks at the museum there,scratched the star of Dave into the wall,for dramatic effect

                  Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 11:15 am

                • Speaking of the time you get up. You remind me of a trucker I met back in the mid 70’s. He hauled timber to the saw mills. He lived in Washington state. He got up an hour before you (3:30). He fixed himself,eggs,toast and bacon. He was out the door by 4:30 and usually knocked off for the day around 8 pm. Here’s the cool part. He was 91 at the time. I fell out when he told me. He only looked to be in his mid 70’s.

                  Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 11:29 am

                • You wrote: “Richard Green believes that the gas chambers never formed the coloring because they were sprayed with water after use.”

                  The gas chamber in the main Auschitz camp did not have floor drains. The only drains were in a washroom which was connected to the gas chamber, seperated only by a wall. That wall has since been removed. You can see photos of the drains on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz08E.html

                  Today, tourists enter the gas chamber through the oven room, so they don’t get a good look at the floor drains.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 25, 2016 @ 8:09 am

                • The query is over the gas chambers built in Birkenau.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 25, 2016 @ 8:30 am

                • The gas chambers in Auschwitz-Birkenau are in ruins. Only a few people have climbed down into the ruins, including Germar Rudolf and Fred Leuchter. There are no blue stains in the underground rooms because these buildings were used to store bodies before they were burned.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 25, 2016 @ 9:00 am

                • Jeff wrote: “I don’t know how many Sondercommandos were used to empty each chamber but there a lot of Sondercommandos per gas chambers.”

                  No matter how many Sonderkommandos were supposedly used to empty each ‘gas chamber.’ Since there was no storage area for the alleged gassed corpses, the Sonderkommandos couldn’t go faster than the ovens anyway. They couldn’t pile 2,000 corpses in the oven room. Emptying time = Cremation time.

                  Comment by hermie — May 25, 2016 @ 8:35 am

                • You wrote: “Since there was no storage area for the alleged gassed corpses, the Sonderkommandos couldn’t go faster than the ovens anyway.”

                  The alleged gas chambers WERE the storage area for corpses of Jews who had died of disease in the camps. There were no gas chambers in the camps, except for the gas chambers for killing lice in the clothing of the prisoners. You can read about the disinfection buildings at Auschwitz-Birkeanau on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/DisinfectionBuilding.html

                  The disinfection buildings are off limits. Tourists are forbidden to go there. I went to this area by myself and took photos. I could not go inside the buildings because they were locked.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 25, 2016 @ 8:49 am

                • What are they hiding?

                  Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 12:09 pm

                • FG wrote: “The alleged gas chambers WERE the storage area for corpses of Jews who had died of disease in the camps. There were no gas chambers in the camps, except for the gas chambers for killing lice in the clothing of the prisoners.”

                  I know that. I was just reasoning in an exterminationist perspective in order to point out one of the inconsistencies in the Holocaust narrative.

                  Tim wrote: “What are they hiding?”

                  They are hiding that there were life-saving facilities at Auschwitz-Birkenau and also what a place often satured with hydrogen cyanide (Zyklon B) actually looks like (walls stained with Prussian blue).

                  Comment by hermie — May 26, 2016 @ 12:56 am

                • Once again,I’m confused ( that’s not hard to do). If this was in fact a facility for the use of gassing people,why would someone be worried about a trauma unit ( you said “life saving”. Sounds like a trauma unit to me) being located there? I don’t see where the prison guards are gonna need a trauma unit. They’re not on the front line. If this was a gas house location ( like they say) I don’t see where they’d be worried about sending Jews to the trauma unit ( they wouldn’t need a trauma unit if they were gassed

                  Comment by Tim — May 26, 2016 @ 7:44 am

                • Furtherglory wrote: “I first saw the gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp in September 1998; there were no nail marks on the wall at that time. The scratches have been put on the wall since 1998 and today’s visitors are told that these marks were made by human fingers.”

                  Do you have a photo of those walls before 1998, i.e. without scratches?

                  Comment by hermie — May 26, 2016 @ 1:01 am

                • Jim Rizoli wrote: “FG it’s amazing how they can pass off these silly stories like the scratches on the wall. I never knew there were scratches on the wall from the beginning anyway so they had to be put there by someone later but this is just another way the Holohucksters try to sell their Horror at Disneyland story to the gullible goyim who don’t have enough brains to investigate what’s going on the too lazy to look up information that will expose the Holohoax for what it is.”

                  Would be funny that someone scratches some revisionist stuff on these walls. I wonder how tour guides could get away with a sentence like “The Holocaust was a Zionist hoax” or anachronistic writings scratched on the walls of the Auschwitz ‘gas chamber.’ I think I’m gonna launch my own contest: ‘Decorate the Auschwitz gas chamber yourself’ or something like that…😉

                  Comment by hermie — May 26, 2016 @ 1:24 am

                • You wrote: “I wonder how tour guides could get away with a sentence like “The Holocaust was a Zionist hoax” or anachronistic writings scratched on the walls of the Auschwitz ‘gas chamber.’ I think I’m gonna launch my own contest: ‘Decorate the Auschwitz gas chamber yourself’ or something like that…😉”

                  I think that tour guides should take visitors to Auschwitz inside the gas chamber and tell them that this was originally a bomb shelter for the Germans, and it was later turned into a morgue when Auschwitz prisoners began dying of typhus. No one was ever gassed here because it would have been too dangerous, since there was a hospital for German soldiers right across the street. Then the tour guides should take visitors back to the “Arbeit macht Frei” so that everyone could take a photo of it while traffic through the gate was stopped.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 26, 2016 @ 7:08 am

                • That was a bomb shelter? I’m asking because all the allies supposedly knew about all the folks in the prisons. If that is in fact the case,then it seems like the allies didn’t give a shit. They’d bomb anyway. So with that being said,who are the killers now?

                  Comment by Tim — May 26, 2016 @ 9:22 am

                • Would it be okay if we relocate the gas houses( if there’s any gas trucks left too) over to the Middle East ? I just watched the “Beghazi” movie. I’m ready to start packing the rag heads into there. Then after we get a big ass pile of camel jockeys,they can autopsy those bodies. The everybody will get bodies that test positive for zyklon. We can probably get cooperation from the Jews on this one. Well,I don’t see where the Jews are exactly fans of the sand ni–ers. Then again we bring the Jews in on this,it might be like making a deal with Mr. Satan himself

                  Comment by Tim — May 26, 2016 @ 7:37 am

                • Tim wrote: “you said “life saving”. Sounds like a trauma unit to me”

                  I was talking about delousing facilities killing the very murderous carrier of typhus (lice) and so saving many human lives. The breaking or disruption of such facilities led to health disasters similar to the one seen, photographed and filmed at Belsen in April 1945.

                  Comment by hermie — May 26, 2016 @ 8:13 am

                • This don’t make sense. One side says they were gassing everyone. Now come to find out they had quarantine (i say quarantine,because it don’t sound like a regular hospital ) facilities for the folks that were in bad shape to stay,before they let them mix with general population. If they’re gassing folks like they say they were,why waste time,money and man power, trying to get them over their affliction. Don’t make good sense

                  Comment by Tim — May 26, 2016 @ 9:36 am

            • Jeff wrote: “Back at you, professor “the Germans only incarcerated foreign Jews on Soviet soil, Mattagono/Graf used a forged document to prove their point.””

              I never said that the Soviets only incarcerated foreign Jews on Soviet soil. I said there was no benefit in the imprisonment of Soviet Jews unfit for work (and so also unfit for anti-German activities) in special camps located in Far Eastern Europe, while on the other hand that area was a perfect dump area for the Jews not wanted farther west (within the German sphere of influence and its immediate vicinity) and not needed for the German war effort. There was of course a great benefit in the imprisonment or execution of the Soviet Jews fit for anti-German activities, especially true for the ones actually involved in such activities.

              Jeff wrote: “Do you want to talk about Rudenko again?”

              I think everything was said about him. But if it makes you happy, why not?

              Jeff wrote: “How about Kube’s order halting any further deportations of Polish Jews on July 31st, 1942?”

              I must have missed that one. Something you talked about with Talbot and Jim.

              Jeff wrote: “You used Paget’s claim from a book. I can’t do the same? ”

              Of course, you can do the same. But Paget was just talking about his own memories. His words required no sources to check. Your quote did.

              Jeff wrote: “What do you keep references to the devil’s penis for……on second thought, never mind. I don’t want to know.”

              I keep the devil’s penis for Holo-confessions about super extravagant and laughable things.

              Jeff wrote: “Ok. I’m more of a beer person.”

              Good news. The celebration of your imaginary victory was less expensive like that…

              Jeff wrote: “I really don’t have anything to say about this. I just didn’t want you to think I was selectively copying and pasting your statement. I did leave out the bit about Goering at the top. We both agree that Goering’s innocent assertion is worthless.”

              And don’t we both agree that ANY assertion (‘confession’) is worthless?

              Jeff wrote: “What does that have to do with mass graves?”

              They both tell a lot about the dishonest use of physical evidence.

              Jeff wrote: They are there. Period. They prove that the Einsatzgruppen and their collaborators shot Jews and others. These graves back the Einsatzgruppen Reports.”

              Are you claiming that all those alleged mass graves were exhumed and scientifically examined by archaeologists and that the remains of 1.5 – 2 million Jews have indeed been found there?!?

              Or are you claiming that Father Desbois’ pathetic crosses on a map prove anything?

              Jeff wrote: “If you have evidence that says otherwise, show it to me.”

              I don’t need to bring evidence that says otherwise. The lack of physical evidence proving the exterminationist claims is enough. Remember the normal burden of of proof thing?

              Jeff wrote: “Again, you are making the assumption that a man on trial for his life is telling the truth.”

              Isn’t that what you and yours always do when you bring Nazi ‘confessions’ as if that was a proof of their own claims?

              Jeff wrote: “Plus, this was an SS project. Goering specifically told Heydrich this: http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/nuremberg/documents/index.php?documentdate=1945-00-00&documentid=C193-5-7&studycollectionid=&pagenumber=1 This effectively washed Goering’s hands of the matter.”

              This also made him blind if his words at Nuremberg are to be believed.

              The inocous document above is of any use for the exterminationist cause only with the ‘Nazi code words’ bamboozlement trick around. The term ‘Final Solution of/to the Jewish question/problem’ was just old Zionist vocabulary about the transplanting of Eastern Jewry to Palestine. Holohoaxsters’ smoke and mirrors failed to show me the Nazi Final Solution wasn’t a territorial policy too.

              Herzl’s book was entitled “The State of the Jews: Attempt at a Modern Solution to the Jewish Question.” In a letter of November 1899 to Czar Nicolas II, Herzl wrote: “I owe my permission to submit the Zionist plan for the final solution of the Jewish question.” Just an example among many other ones…

              Jeff wrote: “No, I do not. Hitler was busy with the war, Goering was busy with the Luftwaffe. They allowed Himmler to get on with it.”

              Goering didn’t say that he was not involved in the mass murder of Jews. He said he wasn’t aware of it, even adding that the Nazi Final Solution was territorial eviction not extermination through mass murder.

              Jeff wrote: “No. A confession merely confirms the evidence.”

              And the lack of evidence makes a confession worthless. QED…

              Jeff wrote: “I’ll admit to having a screw loose. Coming here and arguing with deniers proves this. But, you, my friend, need serious psychiatric help for your persecution/conspiracy theory complex.”

              Wouldn’t an exorcism – since my disbelief affects a religious belief – be more appropriate?

              Jeff wrote: “Just out of curiosity, still think I’m a Hasbara Jew?”

              Still haven’t ruled that out.

              Jeff wrote: “Always leave’em with a smile, Hermie.”

              Indeed…

              Comment by hermie — May 31, 2016 @ 7:28 am

              • “I never said that the Soviets only incarcerated foreign Jews on Soviet soil. I said there was no benefit in the imprisonment of Soviet Jews unfit for work (and so also unfit for anti-German activities) in special camps located in Far Eastern Europe, while on the other hand that area was a perfect dump area for the Jews not wanted farther west (within the German sphere of influence and its immediate vicinity) and not needed for the German war effort. There was of course a great benefit in the imprisonment or execution of the Soviet Jews fit for anti-German activities, especially true for the ones actually involved in such activities.”

                Your words:
                Rudenko didn’t say if these people were locals or foreigners. But it’s obvious they were foreigners. The Germans had other things to do than set up special camps to house, feed and guard local Jews unable to impair their war effort in that area.”

                “Western Russia, Belarus, Baltics, Ukraine, or a portion of that area, i.e. ‘the northeast of Europe’ like Buehler said or in other words ‘on the eastern border of the German sphere of interest’ like Seyss-Inquart said. Note that all the special camps mentioned by Rudenko at Nuremberg were located within that area.”

                Rudenko specifically stated these were Soviet citizens. He also never said they were Jews.

                Jeff wrote: “Do you want to talk about Rudenko again?”

                “I think everything was said about him. But if it makes you happy, why not?”

                That’s up to you. You were obviously wrong.

                Jeff wrote: “How about Kube’s order halting any further deportations of Polish Jews on July 31st, 1942?”

                “I must have missed that one. Something you talked about with Talbot and Jim.”

                You gave me some long statement from Carlos Porter saying that Nuremberg documents were forged. That’s the standard denier go to.
                Mattagono and Graf believe that the document was genuine, they apparently didn’t read it all the way through.

                Jeff wrote: “You used Paget’s claim from a book. I can’t do the same? ”

                “Of course, you can do the same. But Paget was just talking about his own memories.”

                So, it’s OK if Paget uses his memories but not OK for survivors? Or bystanders, witnesses, perpetrators?
                Hypocrite much?

                “His words required no sources to check. Your quote did.”

                See above. It’s funny how you are OK memories when it matches your beliefs.
                Hypocrite, thy name is Hermie.

                Jeff wrote: “What do you keep references to the devil’s penis for……on second thought, never mind. I don’t want to know.”

                “I keep the devil’s penis for Holo-confessions about super extravagant and laughable things.”

                Good to know.

                Jeff wrote: “Ok. I’m more of a beer person.”

                “Good news. The celebration of your imaginary victory was less expensive like that…”

                Not the beer I drink.
                I tore up your point. What’s not to like?

                Jeff wrote: “I really don’t have anything to say about this. I just didn’t want you to think I was selectively copying and pasting your statement. I did leave out the bit about Goering at the top. We both agree that Goering’s innocent assertion is worthless.”

                “And don’t we both agree that ANY assertion (‘confession’) is worthless?”

                Not when it matches the evidence.

                Jeff wrote: “What does that have to do with mass graves?”

                “They both tell a lot about the dishonest use of physical evidence.”

                Dead bodies in a pit. Evidence of murder. What’s dishonest about that?

                “Jeff wrote: They are there. Period. They prove that the Einsatzgruppen and their collaborators shot Jews and others. These graves back the Einsatzgruppen Reports.”

                “Are you claiming that all those alleged mass graves were exhumed and scientifically examined by archaeologists and that the remains of 1.5 – 2 million Jews have indeed been found there?!?”

                Of course not.

                “Or are you claiming that Father Desbois’ pathetic crosses on a map prove anything?”

                He found mass graves.

                Jeff wrote: “If you have evidence that says otherwise, show it to me.”

                “I don’t need to bring evidence that says otherwise. The lack of physical evidence proving the exterminationist claims is enough. Remember the normal burden of of proof thing?”

                What it means is that you have nothing. Pathetic ducking.

                Jeff wrote: “Again, you are making the assumption that a man on trial for his life is telling the truth.”

                “Isn’t that what you and yours always do when you bring Nazi ‘confessions’ as if that was a proof of their own claims?”

                Nope. The confessions match witness statements and the evidence.

                Jeff wrote: “Plus, this was an SS project. Goering specifically told Heydrich this: http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/nuremberg/documents/index.php?documentdate=1945-00-00&documentid=C193-5-7&studycollectionid=&pagenumber=1 This effectively washed Goering’s hands of the matter.”

                “This also made him blind if his words at Nuremberg are to be believed.”

                No, he knew. He just pushed the “Jewish Question” off on the SS. The note doesn’t authorize extermination, it just gives authorizatation to the SS to deal with it.

                “The inocous document above is of any use for the exterminationist cause only with the ‘Nazi code words’ bamboozlement trick around. The term ‘Final Solution of/to the Jewish question/problem’ was just old Zionist vocabulary about the transplanting of Eastern Jewry to Palestine. Holohoaxsters’ smoke and mirrors failed to show me the Nazi Final Solution wasn’t a territorial policy too.”

                Oh God, you just said “Zionist.” I blanked briefly.

                Your problem is you have no proof of any kind of settlement of the Jews.
                Yes, I know, you don’t have to provide proof, more denier ducking, yada, yada…..

                “Herzl’s book was entitled “The State of the Jews: Attempt at a Modern Solution to the Jewish Question.” In a letter of November 1899 to Czar Nicolas II, Herzl wrote: “I owe my permission to submit the Zionist plan for the final solution of the Jewish question.” Just an example among many other ones…”

                Snore.

                Jeff wrote: “No, I do not. Hitler was busy with the war, Goering was busy with the Luftwaffe. They allowed Himmler to get on with it.”

                “Goering didn’t say that he was not involved in the mass murder of Jews.”

                So, he was????!!!!???

                “He said he wasn’t aware of it, even adding that the Nazi Final Solution was territorial eviction not extermination through mass murder.”

                Yes, naturally Goering told the truth.
                😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

                Jeff wrote: “No. A confession merely confirms the evidence.”

                “And the lack of evidence makes a confession worthless. QED…”

                The lack of any evidence of settlements for the Jews proves otherwise.

                Yes, I know:

                Jeff wrote: “I’ll admit to having a screw loose. Coming here and arguing with deniers proves this. But, you, my friend, need serious psychiatric help for your persecution/conspiracy theory complex.”

                “Wouldn’t an exorcism – since my disbelief affects a religious belief – be more appropriate?”

                Maybe you just need an intervention and perhaps a cult deprogramming course.

                Jeff wrote: “Just out of curiosity, still think I’m a Hasbara Jew?”

                “Still haven’t ruled that out.”

                Well, let me know if you decide I am. It will give me an excellent opportunity to mock your paranoia/persecution complex.

                Jeff wrote: “Always leave’em with a smile, Hermie.”

                “Indeed…”

                Not a creepy Hitler smile, Hermie.

                This:

                Comment by Jeff K. — June 5, 2016 @ 12:19 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Rudenko specifically stated these were Soviet citizens. He also never said they were Jews.”

                  For the Soviets of that time, every person found within the borders of their new empire during the war was a Soviet people or a Citizen of the USSR. Most of time, the Soviets didn’t mention Jews, Georgians, Ukrainians, and so on. All brothers and sisters in the Workers’ Heaven of Uncle Joe…

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s up to you. You were obviously wrong.”

                  I see that you want to make a big deal of Show Trials Prosecutor Rudenko and his words, but that you also systematically ‘omit’ to mention.that Seyss-Inquart, Buehler and Borman (and probably also others) unambiguously said that the Jews not needed in German factories had been deported to Far Eastern Europe.

                  Jeff wrote: “You gave me some long statement from Carlos Porter saying that Nuremberg documents were forged. That’s the standard denier go to. Mattagono and Graf believe that the document was genuine, they apparently didn’t read it all the way through.”

                  OK. I see. So that’s that dubious letter you were calling an order.

                  Jeff wrote: “See above. It’s funny how you are OK memories when it matches your beliefs.
                  Hypocrite, thy name is Hermie.”

                  I didn’t say that memories were OK or not OK. I only said that one must provide sources of specific claims when one posts some quotes from books. No connection with Paget writing ‘I remember this or ‘I remember that’ from the top of his head in his memoirs. Basic verification requirement.

                  Jeff wrote: “What’s not to like?”

                  Sorry. I meant ‘less expensive that way.’ Nothing ‘not to like.’ Pardon my English…

                  Jeff wrote: “Not when it matches the evidence.”

                  Great. I see we both agree on that! You’re gonna need a shovel, I think.😉

                  Jeff wrote: “Dead bodies in a pit. Evidence of murder. What’s dishonest about that?”

                  Dead people in a pit…Evidence that some people died there.

                  Jeff wrote: “Of course not.”

                  It seems we’ll have to postpone this topic to 2036 or 2046. See you back when you have the corpses, bones, teeth and ashes of millions of Jews in your hands…

                  Jeff wrote: “He found mass graves.”

                  Yes, he did. At Busk…..in a Jewish cemetry. And no archaeologist examined the corpses. The corpses were even not exhumed. Only their surface was exposed and photographed for posterity. Then Father Desbois quickly came with a cement mixer and the grave was covered with concrete. Science at its best!! All the other times, Desbois only collected testimonies, put crosses on a map and collected bullets on the ground. Waw! Bullets in Ukraine!! Who could have expected that? Without even saying that German companies supplied the Soviet Union with ammunitions for a substantial period…

                  Jeff wrote: “What it means is that you have nothing. Pathetic ducking.”

                  This is a very big duck!! Now I see what you did when you were ‘missing.’ Nice work…

                  Jeff wrote: “Nope. The confessions match witness statements and the evidence.”

                  What evidence? ‘Evidence’ hidden in alleged code words and graves nobody is allowed to open?!?

                  Jeff wrote: “No, he knew. He just pushed the “Jewish Question” off on the SS. The note doesn’t authorize extermination, it just gives authorizatation to the SS to deal with it.”

                  Obvious. I wonder why Hoaxsters so often behave as if they had found a smoking gun in this document.

                  Jeff wrote: “Oh God, you just said “Zionist.” I blanked briefly.”

                  Don’t you have the pic of a bigger duck in your computer?

                  But I can understand why you flee this topic like plague…

                  Jeff wrote: “Your problem is you have no proof of any kind of settlement of the Jews.”

                  Occam’s Razor tells me that the Jews in Palestine, North America, and other places didn’t start to breed like rabbits from the end of WW2. There must another explanation, a better one…

                  Jeff wrote: “Snore.”

                  Glad to see your sleep was not disturbed by the news that the term ‘Final Solution of/to the Jewish Question/Problem’ was just old Zionist vocabulary about a territorial transfer and settlement of millions of Jews. Be careful not to wake up when wondering why the Nazis opted for a term about a territorial solution during WW2…😉

                  Jeff wrote: “Yes, naturally Goering told the truth. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂”

                  …when Hoess did. Probably. Maybe. Why not? Erh………
                  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

                  I’ve already told you earlier that we both agree on the non-probative value of Nazi confessions. No need to repeat it again. Don’t waste your time. An established fact now…

                  Jeff wrote: “The lack of any evidence of settlements for the Jews proves otherwise.”

                  Call the makers of ‘Crime Scene Investigation.’ They’re all wrong. Instead of looking for physical evidence about dead people, they should look for evidence about the survival of people dead or not dead. Very innovative.

                  Jeff wrote: “Maybe you just need an intervention and perhaps a cult deprogramming course.”

                  If that’s enough to be able to join the Holy Sect of Flat-Earthers, Bigfoot Hunters & Holohoaxsters, why not? Brainwashing…erh…membership is free?

                  Jeff wrote: “Well, let me know if you decide I am. It will give me an excellent opportunity to mock your paranoia/persecution complex.”

                  I don’t think that I’ll ever decide. How could I? I only keep the door open to any possibility…

                  Jeff wrote: “Not a creepy Hitler smile, Hermie. This:”

                  What? An alcoholic derelict smile? A ‘I think I’m gonna puke very soon’ smile?

                  Comment by hermie — June 5, 2016 @ 7:17 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Rudenko specifically stated these were Soviet citizens. He also never said they were Jews.”

                  “For the Soviets of that time, every person found within the borders of their new empire during the war was a Soviet people or a Citizen of the USSR. Most of time, the Soviets didn’t mention Jews, Georgians, Ukrainians, and so on. All brothers and sisters in the Workers’ Heaven of Uncle Joe…”

                  Rudenko specifically stated the camp was in Belorussia. That was Soviet territory before the Molotov-Ribbontrop Agreement.

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s up to you. You were obviously wrong.”

                  “I see that you want to make a big deal of Show Trials Prosecutor Rudenko and his words,”

                  You are the one who brought it up.
                  You actually made a big deal about it. What, is Rudenko no longer good enough for you now that he no longer proves your point?

                  “but that you also systematically ‘omit’ to mention.that Seyss-Inquart, Buehler and Borman (and probably also others) unambiguously said that the Jews not needed in German factories had been deported to Far Eastern Europe.”

                  Fine. Show me proof of where these Jews went.

                  Jeff wrote: “You gave me some long statement from Carlos Porter saying that Nuremberg documents were forged. That’s the standard denier go to. Mattagono and Graf believe that the document was genuine, they apparently didn’t read it all the way through.”

                  “OK. I see. So that’s that dubious letter you were calling an order.”

                  Dubious?

                  http://www.historiography-project.com/nca/nca06/3428-PS.php

                  Mattagono and Graf believed it genuine enough to make a point about “gassed Jews in the Soviet Union.”
                  They just don’t like the rest about the liquidated Jews and Kube’s express order to stop any further deportations. This over 1000 Jews sent to help the Wehrmacht.
                  Imagine Kube’s reaction to over a million Jews, many of them elderly, women and children.

                  Jeff wrote: “See above. It’s funny how you are OK memories when it matches your beliefs.
                  Hypocrite, thy name is Hermie.”

                  “I didn’t say that memories were OK or not OK. I only said that one must provide sources of specific claims when one posts some quotes from books. No connection with Paget writing ‘I remember this or ‘I remember that’ from the top of his head in his memoirs. Basic verification requirement.”

                  But, you take his memories as gospel. You used his memories to make a point.

                  Now, don’t freak out. I didn’t copy and paste your comments here because I didn’t see the point.

                  Jeff wrote: “Dead bodies in a pit. Evidence of murder. What’s dishonest about that?”

                  “Dead people in a pit…Evidence that some people died there.”

                  Yep, we both agree on that.
                  People don’t generally gather together and drop dead at the same time. Usually they need….incentive.

                  Jeff wrote: “Of course not.”

                  “It seems we’ll have to postpone this topic to 2036 or 2046. See you back when you have the corpses, bones, teeth and ashes of millions of Jews in your hands…”

                  I don’t have to. The article I posted already shows that people are investigating and preserving the sites.

                  Jeff wrote: “He found mass graves.”

                  “Yes, he did. At Busk…..in a Jewish cemetry. And no archaeologist examined the corpses. The corpses were even not exhumed. Only their surface was exposed and photographed for posterity. Then Father Desbois quickly came with a cement mixer and the grave was covered with concrete. Science at its best!! All the other times, Desbois only collected testimonies, put crosses on a map and collected bullets on the ground.”

                  I’m talking about the groups that are currently examining the sites, not Desbois.

                  “Waw! Bullets in Ukraine!! Who could have expected that? Without even saying that German companies supplied the Soviet Union with ammunitions for a substantial period…”

                  You feel free to expand on the whole German ammunition thing.

                  Jeff wrote: “What it means is that you have nothing. Pathetic ducking.”

                  “This is a very big duck!! Now I see what you did when you were ‘missing.’ Nice work…”

                  I’m glad you liked it.
                  Why do you say I was missing?

                  Jeff wrote: “Nope. The confessions match witness statements and the evidence.”

                  “What evidence? ‘Evidence’ hidden in alleged code words and graves nobody is allowed to open?!?”

                  Ok. Well, why don’t you just prove what actually happened to the Jews and we can wrap this up.

                  Jeff wrote: “No, he knew. He just pushed the “Jewish Question” off on the SS. The note doesn’t authorize extermination, it just gives authorizatation to the SS to deal with it.”

                  “Obvious. I wonder why Hoaxsters so often behave as if they had found a smoking gun in this document.”

                  I just explained this. I don’t think it is a smoking gun.

                  Jeff wrote: “Oh God, you just said “Zionist.” I blanked briefly.”

                  “Don’t you have the pic of a bigger duck in your computer?”

                  No, that was the biggest one I could find.

                  “But I can understand why you flee this topic like plague…”

                  Because it bores the shit out of me.
                  What does some request by a Jew in 1899 to the Tsar have to do with anything?

                  Jeff wrote: “Your problem is you have no proof of any kind of settlement of the Jews.”

                  “Occam’s Razor tells me that the Jews in Palestine, North America, and other places didn’t start to breed like rabbits from the end of WW2. There must another explanation, a better one…”

                  Jeff wrote: “Snore.”

                  “Glad to see your sleep was not disturbed by the news that the term ‘Final Solution of/to the Jewish Question/Problem’ was just old Zionist vocabulary about a territorial transfer and settlement of millions of Jews.”

                  I won’t let it.

                  “Be careful not to wake up when wondering why the Nazis opted for a term about a territorial solution during WW2… ;-)”

                  In order to have a territorial solution you have to have territory.
                  The USSR was an active war zone with mass starvation, partisan attacks, wild partisan hunts, etc.
                  So, tell me where the Jews went? Don’t spare the proof, now.

                  Jeff wrote: “Yes, naturally Goering told the truth. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂”

                  …when Hoess did. Probably. Maybe. Why not? Erh………
                  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

                  “I’ve already told you earlier that we both agree on the non-probative value of Nazi confessions. No need to repeat it again. Don’t waste your time. An established fact now…”

                  Sure. Unless the perpetrator confessed to something that happened, backed by eyewitness testimony, documents, etc.

                  Jeff wrote: “The lack of any evidence of settlements for the Jews proves otherwise.”

                  “Call the makers of ‘Crime Scene Investigation.’”

                  I rather liked that program.

                  “They’re all wrong. Instead of looking for physical evidence about dead people, they should look for evidence about the survival of people dead or not dead. Very innovative.”

                  Well, you and other deniers say that the Nazis sent the Jews East. That means there is a trail. The Koehrer Report and the Hoefle Telegram show Jews sent to the Reinhard Camps. Find me proof of where they went afterwards.

                  Jeff wrote: “Maybe you just need an intervention and perhaps a cult deprogramming course.”

                  “If that’s enough to be able to join the Holy Sect of Flat-Earthers, Bigfoot Hunters & Holohoaxsters, why not? Brainwashing…erh…membership is free?”

                  Actually I consider Flat-Earthers and deniers to be the opposite sides of the same coin. Both claim something that no sane person could ever believe.

                  Jeff wrote: “Well, let me know if you decide I am. It will give me an excellent opportunity to mock your paranoia/persecution complex.”

                  “I don’t think that I’ll ever decide. How could I? I only keep the door open to any possibility…”

                  Aaaaawww, throw me a bone here. It’s been awhile since anyone’s accused me of being a Jew.

                  Jeff wrote: “Not a creepy Hitler smile, Hermie. This:”

                  “What? An alcoholic derelict smile? A ‘I think I’m gonna puke very soon’ smile?”

                  How about this:

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 5, 2016 @ 8:49 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Rudenko specifically stated the camp was in Belorussia. That was Soviet territory before the Molotov-Ribbontrop Agreement.”

                  And every human being found there by the Red Army was a Soviet people for him and his peers. So you can stop acting as if Rudenko had said those inmates were non-Jews. He just didn’t specify the ethnicity and geographic origin of those people.

                  Jeff wrote: “You are the one who brought it up. You actually made a big deal about it. What, is Rudenko no longer good enough for you now that he no longer proves your point?”

                  I brought it up, but I never made a big deal about it. YOU immediately made a big deal about it, feeling a potential threat to your beloved Holo-story.

                  Jeff wrote: “Fine. Show me proof of where these Jews went.”

                  You can’t stand a normal burden of proof, Mr. Holo-Prosecutor, can you?

                  Show me proof of women not flying across the sky on broomheads. Ridiculous demand, isn’t it? The burden of proof of course lies on the people making such a claim. For understandable reasons.

                  Jeff wrote: “Dubious? http://www.historiography-project.com/nca/nca06/3428-PS.php

                  Yes, dubious.

                  Jeff wrote: “Mattagono and Graf believed it genuine enough to make a point about “gassed Jews in the Soviet Union.””

                  Who is Mattagono? A Voodoo priest?😉

                  Glad to see that you now regard Mattogno and Graf as researchers who never make any mistake…

                  Jeff wrote: “Imagine Kube’s reaction to over a million Jews, many of them elderly, women and children.”

                  And Imagine Hitler’s reaction to Kube’s [alleged] opposition to that policy.

                  Jeff wrote: “But, you take his memories as gospel.”

                  Not really. I regard Paget’s words as more reliable than the collection of fairy tales called the gospel.😉

                  Jeff wrote: “You used his memories to make a point.”

                  I used his memories together with the agreement of a British court on the unreliability of the Einsatzgruppen ‘reports.’

                  Jeff wrote: “Yep, we both agree on that. People don’t generally gather together and drop dead at the same time. Usually they need….incentive.”

                  True. An incentive like an order from the NKVD (that operated in Ukraine for a very long time). And dead bodies can also be piled in mass graves after their death. Can we at least agree on our ignorance of who those people were, when they died, how they died, and who killed them if they were indeed killed? And can we also agree on the fact that a few tens of dead bodies never proved the death, and even less the murder, of millions of people?

                  Jeff wrote: “I don’t have to. The article I posted already shows that people are investigating and preserving the sites.”

                  And the article you posted shows those people haven’t yet found and examined millions of dead bodies. So see you in 2046 as i said previously…

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m talking about the groups that are currently examining the sites, not Desbois.”

                  Why are they wasting their time? Your entire attitude shows that final conclusions on this topic are not needed. The conclusions were patently final before any study had even begun.

                  Could you repost a link to the article you’re talking about? It’s been a while…

                  Jeff wrote: “You feel free to expand on the whole German ammunition thing.”

                  The Red Army also shot German bullets…

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m glad you liked it. Why do you say I was missing?”

                  Because you were away from this blog for a while.

                  Jeff wrote: “Ok. Well, why don’t you just prove what actually happened to the Jews and we can wrap this up.”

                  I think I’ll rather stick to a normal burden of proof and await that your side conclusively proves those people indeed died there.

                  Jeff wrote: “Because it bores the shit out of me. What does some request by a Jew in 1899 to the Tsar have to do with anything?”

                  Not ‘a Jew.’ The founder of political Zionism himself! And numerous other Zionists used the same words. Without the basic premise that the words ‘final solution’ necessarily implied mass murder, the entire exterminationist case collapses…

                  Jeff wrote: “In order to have a territorial solution you have to have territory. The USSR was an active war zone with mass starvation, partisan attacks, wild partisan hunts, etc.”

                  And despite that, the Germans were able to afford the establishment and running of special camps for people unable to hurt their war effort there, if the words told by Rudenko are to be believed.

                  Jeff wrote: “Sure. Unless the perpetrator confessed to something that happened, backed by eyewitness testimony, documents, etc.”

                  Just like the numerous testimonies corroborating each others proved the existence of Nazi human-skin lampshades, human-fat soap and homicidal gassings at Dachau and Buchenwald? C’mon. Testimonies corroborated by other testimonies prove nothing but the boundless naivety of most people.

                  And your documents and empty ‘etc.’ won’t help you either, I’m afraid…

                  Jeff wrote: “Well, you and other deniers say that the Nazis sent the Jews East. That means there is a trail. The Koehrer Report and the Hoefle Telegram show Jews sent to the Reinhard Camps. Find me proof of where they went afterwards.”

                  According to your argument, no Jew was ever deported to Sobibor, since a single Soviet bomb destroyed the entire paper trail about deportations there. I’m still waiting for a realistic explanation on the reason why the Soviets would have kept and provided documents debunking their own propaganda about the ‘fascist bloodsucking invaders’ and their alleged misdeeds…

                  Jeff wrote: “Actually I consider Flat-Earthers and deniers to be the opposite sides of the same coin. Both claim something that no sane person could ever believe.”

                  The opposite sides indeed…

                  Jeff wrote: “Aaaaawww, throw me a bone here. It’s been awhile since anyone’s accused me of being a Jew.”

                  You can’t prevent yourself from lying in every sentence you say, can you, filthy Jew?

                  Happy now?😉

                  Jeff wrote: “How about this:”

                  This T-shirt suits Hitler very well…

                  Comment by hermie — June 6, 2016 @ 6:06 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Rudenko specifically stated the camp was in Belorussia. That was Soviet territory before the Molotov-Ribbontrop Agreement.”

                  “And every human being found there by the Red Army was a Soviet people for him and his peers. So you can stop acting as if Rudenko had said those inmates were non-Jews. He just didn’t specify the ethnicity and geographic origin of those people.”

                  He actually did specify that these were Soviet citizens, he just didn’t specify that they were Jews. So, really, the only thing we know is that they were Soviet citizens. The camp the Soviets found was in Belorussia, which, as I said, was Soviet territory.
                  Really, if you are going to use Rudenko’s statement to make your point you should have read the whole thing. You didn’t, you decided to use it..twice…without checking.
                  That’s an oops on your part.

                  Jeff wrote: “You are the one who brought it up. You actually made a big deal about it. What, is Rudenko no longer good enough for you now that he no longer proves your point?”

                  “I brought it up, but I never made a big deal about it. YOU immediately made a big deal about it, feeling a potential threat to your beloved Holo-story.”

                  You used it…twice…to make your point about settlements of Jews in the East. What you didn’t realize is that Rudenko specified these were Soviet people. I simply pulled up Rudenko’s statement and actually READ it. Look, I simply took the time to look it up, don’t blame me if a cherished bedrock of your denialism vanished.

                  Jeff wrote: “Fine. Show me proof of where these Jews went.”

                  “You can’t stand a normal burden of proof, Mr. Holo-Prosecutor, can you?”

                  I realize that you are really uncomfortable about the whole “hey, prove that the Nazis sent the Jews East” now that you can no longer rely on Rudenko’s statement anymore. That’s OK. I’ll keep asking, you keep ducking.

                  “Show me proof of women not flying across the sky on broomheads. Ridiculous demand, isn’t it? The burden of proof of course lies on the people making such a claim. For understandable reasons.”

                  We are talking about real people, not make believe.
                  From Nazi documents we know that the Jews went to the Reinhard Camps and Chelmno. You want to convince me these were transit camps? Fine. Show me their destination after they left these camps.

                  Jeff wrote: “Dubious? http://www.historiography-project.com/nca/nca06/3428-PS.php”

                  “Yes, dubious.”

                  So, is Rudenko’s statement now dubious as well?

                  Jeff wrote: “Mattagono and Graf believed it genuine enough to make a point about “gassed Jews in the Soviet Union.””

                  “Who is Mattagono? A Voodoo priest? ;-)”

                  Sorry, spell check fail.

                  “Glad to see that you now regard Mattogno and Graf as researchers who never make any mistake…”

                  You mean like you and Rudenko’s statement? BTW, David Cold and David Irving also believe the document is genuine.
                  This is actually what I think about Mattogono and Graf:
                  Either they didn’t read the whole thing, which shows their shortcomings as researchers, or they deliberately chose to ignore the actual contents except for the part that shows 1000 Jews showing up, which is downright dishonest.

                  Jeff wrote: “Imagine Kube’s reaction to over a million Jews, many of them elderly, women and children.”

                  “And Imagine Hitler’s reaction to Kube’s [alleged] opposition to that policy.”

                  I doubt Hitler concerned himself. He gave his Gauleiters a lot of leeway. Besides, he was a little busy at that time losing a war.
                  But, hey, if you have an order from Hitler or Goering countermanding Kube I’ll be happy to view the evidence.

                  Jeff wrote: “But, you take his memories as gospel.”

                  “Not really. I regard Paget’s words as more reliable than the collection of fairy tales called the gospel. ;-)”

                  My apologies, it’s an expression. I realize as an atheist that has no meaning for you.
                  It’s also too bad for you that researchers came back through and proved Paget wrong.

                  Jeff wrote: “You used his memories to make a point.”

                  “I used his memories together with the agreement of a British court on the unreliability of the Einsatzgruppen ‘reports.’”

                  Paget only looked at one occurrence and didn’t bother to look deeper. I understand that, he was a defense attorney working for his client. That was his job. Others have come, looked deeper and realized he was wrong.
                  That’s actual revisionism, not denier “revisionism.”

                  Jeff wrote: “Yep, we both agree on that. People don’t generally gather together and drop dead at the same time. Usually they need….incentive.”

                  “True. An incentive like an order from the NKVD (that operated in Ukraine for a very long time). And dead bodies can also be piled in mass graves after their death. Can we at least agree on our ignorance of who those people were, when they died, how they died, and who killed them if they were indeed killed?”

                  That’s actually a very fair point and I will recognize the stalemate on this.

                  “And can we also agree on the fact that a few tens of dead bodies never proved the death, and even less the murder, of millions of people?”

                  Again, I recognize that this is a fair point. I realize that you cannot convince me and I cannot convince you so I will agree we are at an impasse that cannot be broken (at least, at this time).

                  Jeff wrote: “I don’t have to. The article I posted already shows that people are investigating and preserving the sites.”

                  “And the article you posted shows those people haven’t yet found and examined millions of dead bodies. So see you in 2046 as i said previously…”

                  I’m dropping this line of inquiry.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m talking about the groups that are currently examining the sites, not Desbois.”

                  “Why are they wasting their time? Your entire attitude shows that final conclusions on this topic are not needed. The conclusions were patently final before any study had even begun.”

                  See, I thought we were in agreement we couldn’t break the impasse.

                  “Could you repost a link to the article you’re talking about? It’s been a while…”

                  I will get it and repost on this reply.

                  Jeff wrote: “You feel free to expand on the whole German ammunition thing.”

                  “The Red Army also shot German bullets…”

                  Proof? I’m not being argumentative, I just want to see proof.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m glad you liked it. Why do you say I was missing?”

                  “Because you were away from this blog for a while.”

                  Aaaaawwww, did you miss me? How nice.
                  I’ve been busy with work. I’ve also spent some time at the Skeptics Forum.

                  Jeff wrote: “Ok. Well, why don’t you just prove what actually happened to the Jews and we can wrap this up.”

                  “I think I’ll rather stick to a normal burden of proof and await that your side conclusively proves those people indeed died there.”

                  Jeff wrote: “Because it bores the shit out of me. What does some request by a Jew in 1899 to the Tsar have to do with anything?”

                  “Not ‘a Jew.’ The founder of political Zionism himself! And numerous other Zionists used the same words. Without the basic premise that the words ‘final solution’ necessarily implied mass murder, the entire exterminationist case collapses…”

                  Uh, no, it has no relevance. While the Nazis happily utilized emigration when they were able to they turned to murder when they couldn’t. There was no “territorial final solution” because there was no where to send them. Hitler wanted the Ukraine and the other parts of the Soviet Union for the materials and food it could provide, not a dumping ground for Jews. I think that if Germany had beaten the Soviet Union and pacified it then yes, some part could be used as a Jewish dumping ground, some unimportant part. But, the Germans never conquered the USSR, they only occupied portions of it and never fully pacified it. Therefore there was no place to send them.

                  Jeff wrote: “In order to have a territorial solution you have to have territory. The USSR was an active war zone with mass starvation, partisan attacks, wild partisan hunts, etc.”

                  “And despite that, the Germans were able to afford the establishment and running of special camps for people unable to hurt their war effort there, if the words told by Rudenko are to be believed.”

                  For the local population, not for foreigners or foreign Jews.

                  Jeff wrote: “Sure. Unless the perpetrator confessed to something that happened, backed by eyewitness testimony, documents, etc.”

                  “Just like the numerous testimonies corroborating each others proved the existence of Nazi human-skin lampshades, human-fat soap and homicidal gassings at Dachau and Buchenwald? C’mon. Testimonies corroborated by other testimonies prove nothing but the boundless naivety of most people.”

                  Did any German ever admit to anything you just said? Is there any documentation found that states any of what you said?
                  All of what you said is typical denier red herring. None of those things, except for the gas chambers, has anything to do with the Holocaust. Even if any of it, the shrunken heads, the lampshades, etc., were true, those are only examples of sadism, not genocide. The heads, at least, existed. Hunt even put video of them on his production. I have no idea where they came from, nor do I care.
                  Quite possibly there was a gas chamber at Dachau. I’ve looked it up. The most anyone will say about it was experimental or maybe never used. There is no agreement on it. For me, I don’t know.

                  “And your documents and empty ‘etc.’ won’t help you either, I’m afraid…”

                  Well, then, help me see your “truth.” Prove to me what happened to the Jews sent to the Reinhard Camps, Chelmno and Birkenau. Show me where they went.

                  Jeff wrote: “Well, you and other deniers say that the Nazis sent the Jews East. That means there is a trail. The Koehrer Report and the Hoefle Telegram show Jews sent to the Reinhard Camps. Find me proof of where they went afterwards.”

                  “According to your argument, no Jew was ever deported to Sobibor, since a single Soviet bomb destroyed the entire paper trail about deportations there.”

                  Irrelevant.

                  Pay attention. There are many avenues to prove the exit of Jews from those camps. Get cracking.

                  “I’m still waiting for a realistic explanation on the reason why the Soviets would have kept and provided documents debunking their own propaganda about the ‘fascist bloodsucking invaders’ and their alleged misdeeds…”

                  Jeff wrote: “Actually I consider Flat-Earthers and deniers to be the opposite sides of the same coin. Both claim something that no sane person could ever believe.”

                  The opposite sides indeed…

                  Jeff wrote: “Aaaaawww, throw me a bone here. It’s been awhile since anyone’s accused me of being a Jew.”

                  “You can’t prevent yourself from lying in every sentence you say, can you, filthy Jew?”

                  YES.

                  Happy now?😉

                  Very much so. Actually, Carolyn just called me a Jew so I’m doubly happy.

                  Jeff wrote: “How about this:”

                  This T-shirt suits Hitler very well…

                  There’s nothing attached…..

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 7:57 am

                • Jeff wrote: ” He actually did specify that these were Soviet citizens, he just didn’t specify that they were Jews. So, really, the only thing we know is that they were Soviet citizens. The camp the Soviets found was in Belorussia, which, as I said, was Soviet territory.”

                  He also said that those camps were places established for the extermination of children, women and old people by typhus as a bioweapon. Ahem…

                  Jeff wrote: “Really, if you are going to use Rudenko’s statement to make your point you should have read the whole thing. You didn’t, you decided to use it..twice…without checking. That’s an oops on your part.”

                  I had read the whole thing. You should know that now. But since most lies are based on fragments of truth and the Soviet citizens thing was part of the ridiculous typhus bioweapon episode, I just thought/think that Rudenko’s statement about those special camps was/is an interesting avenue of research on the deportation area mentioned by Buehler, Seyss-Inquart and others, especially because the camps mentioned by Rudenko were all located within that deportation area.

                  Jeff wrote: “You used it…twice…to make your point about settlements of Jews in the East. What you didn’t realize is that Rudenko specified these were Soviet people. I simply pulled up Rudenko’s statement and actually READ it. Look, I simply took the time to look it up, don’t blame me if a cherished bedrock of your denialism vanished.”

                  ‘A cherished bedrock of your denialism’…Nice dramatization. Is this how you usually win your imaginary victories? You first inflate minor things and then emphatically proclaim your total victory for no good reason?

                  Jeff wrote: “I realize that you are really uncomfortable about the whole “hey, prove that the Nazis sent the Jews East” now that you can no longer rely on Rudenko’s statement anymore. That’s OK. I’ll keep asking, you keep ducking.”

                  And if you stopped ducking and started digging up the physical evidence of your exterminationist claims…like any other accuser in this work???

                  Posting various pictures of giant ducks, bigger and bigger, is no debate. That’s escape…

                  Jeff wrote: “We are talking about real people, not make believe. From Nazi documents we know that the Jews went to the Reinhard Camps and Chelmno. You want to convince me these were transit camps? Fine. Show me their destination after they left these camps.”

                  And from those documents, we also know that up to the period of December 31, 1942 there was a “transportation of the Jews from the Eastern Provinces to the Russian East” for 1,449,692 Jews, with 1,274,166 of them “passed through the camps in the General Government” and 145,301 “through the camp at Warthegau” (Korherr report). As surprising as it may seem to you, you must prove with reliable evidence that those Jews weren’t passed through those camps as stated and that they were in fact gassed to death at those camps. The remains of millions of corpses won’t be hard to find, I’m sure. (You can think about the exploits of ‘Crime Scene Investigation’ guys if that helps you.) Now pick up your shovel and good luck…

                  Jeff wrote: “So, is Rudenko’s statement now dubious as well?”

                  No more or less than it always was. Just a statement. And a statement delivered by a Soviet Mock Trials Prosecutor on the top of it.

                  Jeff wrote: “David Cold and David Irving also believe the document is genuine.”

                  Cole and Irving? We are seemingly hitting the bottom now.

                  Jeff wrote: “This is actually what I think about Mattogono and Graf: Either they didn’t read the whole thing, which shows their shortcomings as researchers, or they deliberately chose to ignore the actual contents except for the part that shows 1000 Jews showing up, which is downright dishonest.”

                  Whatever their reason(s), they should have examined the document more carefully before using its content, IMO.

                  Jeff wrote: “I doubt Hitler concerned himself. He gave his Gauleiters a lot of leeway. Besides, he was a little busy at that time losing a war.”

                  I doubt Hitler wouldn’t have been very upset by the loss of the dump area for his unwanted and unneeded Jews because of the refusal of one of his officers.

                  Jeff wrote: “But, hey, if you have an order from Hitler or Goering countermanding Kube I’ll be happy to view the evidence.”

                  And on your side? Still no order from Hitler ordering the mass killing of all the Jews in German-occupied Europe? Too bad. Would have been quite helpful…

                  Jeff wrote: “My apologies, it’s an expression. I realize as an atheist that has no meaning for you. It’s also too bad for you that researchers came back through and proved Paget wrong.”

                  Proved Paget wrong??? They should have exhumed and examined around 30,000 corpses and/or cremains at a specific location to achieve that. And they never did that, as we both know.

                  Jeff wrote: “Paget only looked at one occurrence and didn’t bother to look deeper. I understand that, he was a defense attorney working for his client. That was his job. Others have come, looked deeper and realized he was wrong. That’s actual revisionism, not denier “revisionism.””

                  No, that’s an unconvincing attempt at damage control by a gang of liars caught with their pants down.

                  Jeff wrote: ” There was no “territorial final solution” because there was no where to send them.”

                  Not everybody’s opinion…

                  « Meanwhile, the war against the Soviet Union has allowed us to dispose of new territories for the final solution. Consequently, the Führer has decided to displace the Jews not towards Madagascar but towards the East. Thus, there is no longer any need to consider Madagascar for the final solution. » – Franz Rademacher, German Foreign Affairs Ministry’s ‘Jew Unit’, February 10, 1942.

                  Jeff wrote: “they only occupied portions of it and never fully pacified it. Therefore there was no place to send them.”

                  Yes, there was only place in that area to build and run special camps for inocuous kids and elders. For fun. And for germ warfare.😉

                  Jeff wrote: “All of what you said is typical denier red herring. None of those things, except for the gas chambers, has anything to do with the Holocaust. Even if any of it, the shrunken heads, the lampshades, etc., were true, those are only examples of sadism, not genocide.”

                  Or rather great examples of Allied anti-German atrocity propaganda. Great illustrations of the Allied willingness to LIE shamelessly in order to demonize their German enemies.

                  Jeff wrote: “The heads, at least, existed. Hunt even put video of them on his production. I have no idea where they came from, nor do I care.”

                  Yes, they existed. Nice pieces of Jivaro craftmanship. But I can understand why you no longer want to hear about those heads. Another great illustration of the Allied ‘methods’…

                  Jeff wrote: “There’s nothing attached…..”

                  I was referring to your picture with Hitler wearing a T-shirt with the peace logo on it.

                  Comment by hermie — June 6, 2016 @ 8:56 pm

                • Jeff wrote: ” He actually did specify that these were Soviet citizens, he just didn’t specify that they were Jews. So, really, the only thing we know is that they were Soviet citizens. The camp the Soviets found was in Belorussia, which, as I said, was Soviet territory.”

                  “He also said that those camps were places established for the extermination of children, women and old people by typhus as a bioweapon. Ahem…”

                  Ahem what? You still chose to use what you call Soviet propaganda to prove your point. This means you believed his claim even with the “bio-weapon” claim.

                  Jeff wrote: “Really, if you are going to use Rudenko’s statement to make your point you should have read the whole thing. You didn’t, you decided to use it..twice…without checking. That’s an oops on your part.”

                  “I had read the whole thing.”

                  Are you sure? Because you still thought these were foreign Jews.

                  “You should know that now.”

                  No, I really can’t. You didn’t make an issue of the whole “bio-weapon” deal until I actually posted his whole statement. I know you well enough now that you would crow over something like that.

                  “But since most lies are based on fragments of truth”

                  You mean like the whole “4 million dead” at Auschwitz and the what, “2 million dead” at Majdanek? We agree, the Soviets exaggerated. It’s about 1.1 million at Auschwitz and about 80,000 at Majdanek.

                  “and the Soviet citizens thing was part of the ridiculous typhus bioweapon episode, I just thought/think that Rudenko’s statement about those special camps was/is an interesting avenue of research on the deportation area mentioned by Buehler, Seyss-Inquart and others, especially because the camps mentioned by Rudenko were all located within that deportation area.”

                  Well, when deniers get cracking and find something you let me know. They’ve had, what? 26 years since the fall of the Soviet Union? What’s taking so long?

                  Jeff wrote: “You used it…twice…to make your point about settlements of Jews in the East. What you didn’t realize is that Rudenko specified these were Soviet people. I simply pulled up Rudenko’s statement and actually READ it. Look, I simply took the time to look it up, don’t blame me if a cherished bedrock of your denialism vanished.”

                  “‘A cherished bedrock of your denialism’…Nice dramatization. Is this how you usually win your imaginary victories? You first inflate minor things and then emphatically proclaim your total victory for no good reason?”

                  Hey, it’s on you if you didn’t read/ignored Rudenko’s complete statement. I simply enjoyed pointing it out.

                  Jeff wrote: “I realize that you are really uncomfortable about the whole “hey, prove that the Nazis sent the Jews East” now that you can no longer rely on Rudenko’s statement anymore. That’s OK. I’ll keep asking, you keep ducking.”

                  “And if you stopped ducking and started digging up the physical evidence of your exterminationist claims…like any other accuser in this work???”

                  I don’t have to. The Poles investigated the sites after the war and archeological research continues at the sites continues to this day.

                  “Posting various pictures of giant ducks, bigger and bigger, is no debate. That’s escape…”

                  What’s wrong with ducks? Ducks are cool.

                  Jeff wrote: “We are talking about real people, not make believe. From Nazi documents we know that the Jews went to the Reinhard Camps and Chelmno. You want to convince me these were transit camps? Fine. Show me their destination after they left these camps.”

                  “And from those documents, we also know that up to the period of December 31, 1942 there was a “transportation of the Jews from the Eastern Provinces to the Russian East” for 1,449,692 Jews, with 1,274,166 of them “passed through the camps in the General Government” and 145,301 “through the camp at Warthegau” (Korherr report).”

                  That’s nice. There’s no exit points for these camps, no destinations listed. So, either all those Jews hung out there until the end of the war (they were probably really cramped), the SS murdered them or didn’t bother to list where they sent them. The problem with the last is that you still have to say where they went for accounting purposes, you have to pay the personnel involved, you need coordination with the military so you don’t fuck up their supply needs and you need train schedules. Right now any evidence of anything I listed would be a good start point for any denier to track.

                  “As surprising as it may seem to you, you must prove with reliable evidence that those Jews weren’t passed through those camps as stated and that they were in fact gassed to death at those camps.”

                  Well, I have proof that they went there, I have eyewitnesses to the killing and I have what the Poles found after the war. I feel pretty good right now.
                  Your turn.

                  “The remains of millions of corpses won’t be hard to find, I’m sure. (You can think about the exploits of ‘Crime Scene Investigation’ guys if that helps you.) Now pick up your shovel and good luck…”

                  Again, I don’t need to. See above.

                  Jeff wrote: “So, is Rudenko’s statement now dubious as well?”

                  “No more or less than it always was. Just a statement. And a statement delivered by a Soviet Mock Trials Prosecutor on the top of it.”

                  That you TRIED to use to make a point. Well, if Soviet propaganda is good enough for you…..

                  Jeff wrote: “David Cold and David Irving also believe the document is genuine.”

                  “Cole and Irving? We are seemingly hitting the bottom now.”

                  What, no love for Cole? He exposed the “hoax” of Krema I at Auschwitz. Irving became an enthusiastic denier after the Leuchter report.

                  Oh, wait. They are now apostates to the denier cult. Silly me……of course, if you wait long enough Irving will become a denier again.

                  Jeff wrote: “This is actually what I think about Mattogono and Graf: Either they didn’t read the whole thing, which shows their shortcomings as researchers, or they deliberately chose to ignore the actual contents except for the part that shows 1000 Jews showing up, which is downright dishonest.”

                  “Whatever their reason(s), they should have examined the document more carefully before using its content, IMO.”

                  Agreed. They kinda shot themselves in the foot.

                  Jeff wrote: “I doubt Hitler concerned himself. He gave his Gauleiters a lot of leeway. Besides, he was a little busy at that time losing a war.”

                  “I doubt Hitler wouldn’t have been very upset by the loss of the dump area for his unwanted and unneeded Jews because of the refusal of one of his officers.”

                  He probably didn’t concern himself.

                  Jeff wrote: “But, hey, if you have an order from Hitler or Goering countermanding Kube I’ll be happy to view the evidence.”

                  “And on your side? Still no order from Hitler ordering the mass killing of all the Jews in German-occupied Europe? Too bad. Would have been quite helpful…”

                  Don’t need one. Goering authorized the SS to handle the Jewish question. Again, Hitler was busy.

                  Jeff wrote: “My apologies, it’s an expression. I realize as an atheist that has no meaning for you. It’s also too bad for you that researchers came back through and proved Paget wrong.”

                  “Proved Paget wrong??? They should have exhumed and examined around 30,000 corpses and/or cremains at a specific location to achieve that. And they never did that, as we both know.”

                  Paget didn’t concern himself with digging deeper into what happened. Others did and proved his “memories” wrong.

                  Jeff wrote: “Paget only looked at one occurrence and didn’t bother to look deeper. I understand that, he was a defense attorney working for his client. That was his job. Others have come, looked deeper and realized he was wrong. That’s actual revisionism, not denier “revisionism.””

                  “No, that’s an unconvincing attempt at damage control by a gang of liars caught with their pants down.”

                  Hermie, if there was some kind of “conspiracy” in which the Soviets, US and Britain were culpable in, why allow Paget into the area at all? Why would Churchill (of all people) champion Manstein’s defense?
                  Paget was a defense attorney. He drew the wrong conclusion, which is understandable. He was not employed to conduct research, he was there to defend his client. He gathered the information that suited his needs and didn’t look further because that was not his job. The prosecution didn’t do ITS job, which is unforgivable.
                  Good for Paget. He lessened Manstein’s sentence. He did what he was employed to do.

                  Jeff wrote: ” There was no “territorial final solution” because there was no where to send them.”

                  “Not everybody’s opinion…”

                  “« Meanwhile, the war against the Soviet Union has allowed us to dispose of new territories for the final solution. Consequently, the Führer has decided to displace the Jews not towards Madagascar but towards the East. Thus, there is no longer any need to consider Madagascar for the final solution. » – Franz Rademacher, German Foreign Affairs Ministry’s ‘Jew Unit’, February 10, 1942.”

                  That’s nice.
                  BTW, the date on that document predates the mass expulsion of the Jews from the Polish ghettos by around 4 months. Crap happens, things change. The Germans didn’t pacify the territories it needed for a territorial “Final Solution.”

                  Jeff wrote: “they only occupied portions of it and never fully pacified it. Therefore there was no place to send them.”

                  “Yes, there was only place in that area to build and run special camps for inocuous kids and elders. For fun. And for germ warfare. ;-)”

                  Locals, not foreigners.

                  Jeff wrote: “All of what you said is typical denier red herring. None of those things, except for the gas chambers, has anything to do with the Holocaust. Even if any of it, the shrunken heads, the lampshades, etc., were true, those are only examples of sadism, not genocide.”

                  “Or rather great examples of Allied anti-German atrocity propaganda. Great illustrations of the Allied willingness to LIE shamelessly in order to demonize their German enemies.”

                  Snore. Wake me when some denier actually finds proof that the Jews were deported to some mystical camp system in the East. The whole shrunken head/skin lampshades is irrelevant.

                  Jeff wrote: “The heads, at least, existed. Hunt even put video of them on his production. I have no idea where they came from, nor do I care.”

                  “Yes, they existed. Nice pieces of Jivaro craftmanship. But I can understand why you no longer want to hear about those heads. Another great illustration of the Allied ‘methods’…”

                  See above. Heads, lampshades, irrelevant.

                  Jeff wrote: “There’s nothing attached…..”

                  “I was referring to your picture with Hitler wearing a T-shirt with the peace logo on it.”

                  You know, I missed that. I just liked the picture of Hitler shredding.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 7, 2016 @ 10:57 am

                • Jeff wrote: ” Ahem what? You still chose to use what you call Soviet propaganda to prove your point. This means you believed his claim even with the “bio-weapon” claim.”

                  To prove my point is a gross inflation. As a path deserving a closer look at best. And the meaning, the real one, not your retard extrapolations, is that I believe the Red army indeed found German special camps for unfit people in Far Eastern Europe (the parcel of truth) despite the Soviet extravagant claims (the Bolshevik touch).

                  Jeff wrote: “Are you sure? Because you still thought these were foreign Jews.”

                  I still think that now. Those special camps were supposedly all (‘systematically,’ Rudenko said) located “at the front, behind their (the Germans’) main line of defense.” Strange location for camps full of inocuous locals, wasn’t it? But a logical choice if those inmates were of a people the Nazis wanted out, as far from themthelves as possible…

                  Jeff wrote: “No, I really can’t. You didn’t make an issue of the whole “bio-weapon” deal until I actually posted his whole statement. I know you well enough now that you would crow over something like that.”

                  I’m accustomed to the Soviet ‘amazilarious’ lies. The bio-weapon claim wasn’t the most extravagant Bolshevik lie, far from that! After the incredible pedal-driven brain-bashing machine, no Soviet story can amaze me.

                  Jeff wrote: “You mean like the whole “4 million dead” at Auschwitz and the what, “2 million dead” at Majdanek? We agree, the Soviets exaggerated. It’s about 1.1 million at Auschwitz and about 80,000 at Majdanek.”

                  Unless these new figures are just new groundless exaggerations too…😉

                  Jeff wrote: “Well, when deniers get cracking and find something you let me know. They’ve had, what? 26 years since the fall of the Soviet Union? What’s taking so long?”

                  Are they even looking for that? They must work without the support of the Zionist lobby, you know…

                  Jeff wrote: “Hey, it’s on you if you didn’t read/ignored Rudenko’s complete statement. I simply enjoyed pointing it out.”

                  Could you please photoshop the pic of a duck in a kindergarten for me?

                  Jeff wrote: “I don’t have to. The Poles investigated the sites after the war and archeological research continues at the sites continues to this day.”

                  Are we really talking about the Communist show ‘investigations’ in postwar Poland as a probative thing?!?

                  I think Haimi has finally busted the hoax. At Sobibor at least. Now he knows why the Zionists kept telling for decades that those damn holes couldn’t be opened.😮

                  “What’s wrong with ducks? Ducks are cool.”

                  Nothing’s wrong with ducks. With escapes, yes.

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s nice. There’s no exit points for these camps, no destinations listed. So, either all those Jews hung out there until the end of the war (they were probably really cramped), the SS murdered them or didn’t bother to list where they sent them. The problem with the last is that you still have to say where they went for accounting purposes, you have to pay the personnel involved, you need coordination with the military so you don’t fuck up their supply needs and you need train schedules. Right now any evidence of anything I listed would be a good start point for any denier to track.”

                  The icing on the cake. The cake itself is still on your ‘things to do’ list. Remember the accuser thing and so on?

                  Jeff wrote: “Well, I have proof that they went there, I have eyewitnesses to the killing and I have what the Poles found after the war. I feel pretty good right now.”

                  Decoding: you have nothing most Ufologists and Bigfoot hunters don’t have, bu that’s enough for you because that’s the story you want to hear.

                  Fine.

                  Jeff wrote: “Again, I don’t need to. See above.”

                  The only thing I can see above is a giant duck flying over my house with a number of his giant buddies.

                  Jeff wrote: “That you TRIED to use to make a point. Well, if Soviet propaganda is good enough for you…..”

                  If you haven’t yet got my approach, there’s nothing I can do for you…

                  Jeff wrote: “What, no love for Cole? He exposed the “hoax” of Krema I at Auschwitz. Irving became an enthusiastic denier after the Leuchter report.”

                  The hoax of Krema I was deliberately disclosed by the Auschwitz museum. That was for the sake of the entire Holohoax. The exterminationists could no longer claim that a room with a glassed door was a gas chamber in its original state without endangering the Holohoax itself. Cole’s video didn’t compel the Auschwitz museum & academic historians to admit the Auschwitz ‘gas chamber’ was just a forgery/’reconstruction’. Pure Sci-fi. And Irving has never been an enthusiastic denier. He always denied he was denier. But the Lobby needs him too much as ‘an enthusiastic denier.’ So he won’t get rid of that label, whether he likes it or not, whether true or not.

                  Jeff wrote: “Oh, wait. They are now apostates to the denier cult. Silly me……of course, if you wait long enough Irving will become a denier again.”

                  They are no ‘apostates.’

                  1) Because they never denied the Holocaust. They just asked questions about specific claims at specific locations.
                  2) Because they didn’t deny their previous conclusions, their inconvenient conclusions about the Western camps (Cole), Majdanek (Cole), and Auschwitz (Cole and Irving). They just moved eastwards, like the Big H itself, for unconvincing reasons.
                  3) I think that apostasy under threat of death (Cole) and imprisonment (Irving) is sincere and valid.

                  Jeff wrote: “Agreed. They kinda shot themselves in the foot.”

                  Not more than yourself when you used Hitler’s annihilation prophecy to prove an alleged Nazi policy of mass murder…😉

                  Jeff wrote: “He probably didn’t concern himself.”

                  Yes, the Jewish question was no big deal for him…😮

                  Jeff wrote: “Don’t need one. Goering authorized the SS to handle the Jewish question.”

                  …and also said that the Jewish question had been handled through a territorial eviction, not through extermination. Waw! It seems the Rudenko path really needs to be looked more closely…

                  Jeff wrote: “Paget didn’t concern himself with digging deeper into what happened. Others did and proved his “memories” wrong.”

                  After the duck, the Parrot now. Proved his memories wrong by what means? How? They exhumed and studied 30,000 corpses at that location? No? Thus they didn’t prove him wrong.

                  Jeff wrote: “Hermie, if there was some kind of “conspiracy” in which the Soviets, US and Britain were culpable in, why allow Paget into the area at all? Why would Churchill (of all people) champion Manstein’s defense?”

                  What conspiracy? Atrocity propaganda demonizing your enemies is no conspiracy. That’s the standard procedure. According to the Nuremberg ‘courts’, only the ‘Holocaust’ was a conspiracy in this matter. The war was over. 5 years had elapsed. Numerous mock trials had decimated the ranks of the vanquished. Denazification was quite successfull. The need for Nazi witches to burn had somewhat faded away. So Manstein could undergo a trial less unfair than the previous ones.

                  Jeff wrote: ”That’s nice. BTW, the date on that document predates the mass expulsion of the Jews from the Polish ghettos by around 4 months. Crap happens, things change.”

                  But it follows the famous Wannsee Conference by around 3 weeks.

                  Jeff wrote: “Locals, not foreigners.”

                  Foreigners, not locals. How long can we play this game?

                  Jeff wrote: “The whole shrunken head/skin lampshades is irrelevant.
                  See above. Heads, lampshades, irrelevant.”

                  Why? Not used by the victors and mainstream media to ‘prove’ that the Nazis were monsters able to gas millions of Jews to death? What’s next? The Holo-mafia should explain everybody that the terrible pics of emaciated bodies at Belsen, Dachau, etc. are irrelevant and show big epidemics but no extermination policy? Ô no! Not that one! What would be left to bamboozle the populace without those great pictorial indoctrination tools?!? A philosopher or another did probably write some unflateering things about the peoples ‘educated’ with pictures and stories…

                  Comment by hermie — June 7, 2016 @ 3:22 pm

                • Jeff wrote: ” Ahem what? You still chose to use what you call Soviet propaganda to prove your point. This means you believed his claim even with the “bio-weapon” claim.”

                  “To prove my point is a gross inflation. As a path deserving a closer look at best.”

                  Sure. So, what’s taking all of those denier “scholars” so long?

                  They stop for a tea break? A coffee break? A piss break?

                  Spending too much time sampling the local cuisine? Ogling the local girls?

                  “And the meaning, the real one, not your retard extrapolations,”

                  Well, at least I know the meaning of “Soviet citizens.” Apparently you don’t. Talk about retarded…..

                  “is that I believe the Red army indeed found German special camps for unfit people in Far Eastern Europe (the parcel of truth) despite the Soviet extravagant claims (the Bolshevik touch).”

                  That’s actually the gist of what Rudenko said. The difference is he specifically stated Soviet citizens, never stated they were Jews and specifically stated they found this camp in Belorussia. You are taking all that and warping it with your view point, for which you have no PROOF. That’s the key, Hermie. You have no proof, just denier guessing.

                  Jeff wrote: “Are you sure? Because you still thought these were foreign Jews.”

                  “I still think that now.”

                  I don’t know how. You don’t have any proof, just denier delusion.

                  “Those special camps were supposedly all (‘systematically,’ Rudenko said) located “at the front, behind their (the Germans’) main line of defense.” Strange location for camps full of inocuous locals, wasn’t it?”

                  Not if you wanted to control the local population. Not if those people were, in fact, Jews.

                  The Nazis didn’t like Jews. They thought they were partisans and carriers of disease.

                  They locked the Polish Jews up in ghettos and camps in Poland, Hermie. These were Soviet Jews, even worse in Nazi eyes.

                  Even if these people weren’t Jews the Nazis didn’t really go out of there way to care for the locals and were trying to control partisan activity. Locking away the locals prevented them from assisting the partisans with food, shelter and medical care.

                  “But a logical choice if those inmates were of a people the Nazis wanted out, as far from themthelves as possible…”

                  Again, you need proof these were foreign Jews, Hermie. Anything else is just a denier daydream.

                  Jeff wrote: “No, I really can’t. You didn’t make an issue of the whole “bio-weapon” deal until I actually posted his whole statement. I know you well enough now that you would crow over something like that.”

                  “I’m accustomed to the Soviet ‘amazilarious’ lies. The bio-weapon claim wasn’t the most extravagant Bolshevik lie, far from that! After the incredible pedal-driven brain-bashing machine, no Soviet story can amaze me.”

                  But you still chose to use Rudenko’s statement. Hypocrite, thy name is Hermie.

                  Jeff wrote: “You mean like the whole “4 million dead” at Auschwitz and the what, “2 million dead” at Majdanek? We agree, the Soviets exaggerated. It’s about 1.1 million at Auschwitz and about 80,000 at Majdanek.”

                  “Unless these new figures are just new groundless exaggerations too… ;-)”

                  Well, Hoess before his execution actually stated a number close to the 1.1 million. Reitllinger and Hilberg did as well, so that number for Auschwitz has existed for around 75 years.

                  Jeff wrote: “Well, when deniers get cracking and find something you let me know. They’ve had, what? 26 years since the fall of the Soviet Union? What’s taking so long?”

                  “Are they even looking for that?”

                  They should if they want anyone to believe their wackadoodle theories.

                  “They must work without the support of the Zionist lobby, you know…”

                  Irrelevant bullshit.

                  Jeff wrote: “Hey, it’s on you if you didn’t read/ignored Rudenko’s complete statement. I simply enjoyed pointing it out.”

                  “Could you please photoshop the pic of a duck in a kindergarten for me?”

                  Does the duck represent you?

                  Jeff wrote: “I don’t have to. The Poles investigated the sites after the war and archeological research continues at the sites continues to this day.”

                  “Are we really talking about the Communist show ‘investigations’ in postwar Poland as a probative thing?!?”

                  Well, you felt Rudenko’s statement is probative. What does that say about you?

                  “I think Haimi has finally busted the hoax. At Sobibor at least. Now he knows why the Zionists kept telling for decades that those damn holes couldn’t be opened. :-o”

                  Do you see/read everything with your goofy denier glasses on?

                  “What’s wrong with ducks? Ducks are cool.”

                  “Nothing’s wrong with ducks. With escapes, yes.”

                  Well, say something meaningful.

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s nice. There’s no exit points for these camps, no destinations listed. So, either all those Jews hung out there until the end of the war (they were probably really cramped), the SS murdered them or didn’t bother to list where they sent them. The problem with the last is that you still have to say where they went for accounting purposes, you have to pay the personnel involved, you need coordination with the military so you don’t fuck up their supply needs and you need train schedules. Right now any evidence of anything I listed would be a good start point for any denier to track.”

                  “The icing on the cake. The cake itself is still on your ‘things to do’ list. Remember the accuser thing and so on?”

                  It’s duck time.

                  Jeff wrote: “Well, I have proof that they went there, I have eyewitnesses to the killing and I have what the Poles found after the war. I feel pretty good right now.”

                  “Decoding: you have nothing most Ufologists and Bigfoot hunters don’t have, bu that’s enough for you because that’s the story you want to hear.”

                  “Fine.”

                  Well, if you ever want to provide proof otherwise I’m happy to read it.

                  Jeff wrote: “Again, I don’t need to. See above.”

                  “The only thing I can see above is a giant duck flying over my house with a number of his giant buddies.”

                  What kind of weird shit do you smoke in Belgium?

                  Jeff wrote: “That you TRIED to use to make a point. Well, if Soviet propaganda is good enough for you…..”

                  “If you haven’t yet got my approach, there’s nothing I can do for you…”

                  Your approach is:

                  Utilize newspaper articles when you tell me Jews own all the newspapers.

                  Use statements by Rudenko even though you tell me the Soviets lie and exaggerate.

                  Refuse to provide evidence when I ask for it.

                  Did I get all of that right?

                  Jeff wrote: “What, no love for Cole? He exposed the “hoax” of Krema I at Auschwitz. Irving became an enthusiastic denier after the Leuchter report.”

                  “The hoax of Krema I was deliberately disclosed by the Auschwitz museum. That was for the sake of the entire Holohoax. The exterminationists could no longer claim that a room with a glassed door was a gas chamber in its original state without endangering the Holohoax itself. Cole’s video didn’t compel the Auschwitz museum & academic historians to admit the Auschwitz ‘gas chamber’ was just a forgery/’reconstruction’. Pure Sci-fi. And Irving has never been an enthusiastic denier. He always denied he was denier. But the Lobby needs him too much as ‘an enthusiastic denier.’ So he won’t get rid of that label, whether he likes it or not, whether true or not.”

                  Well, you are right that Cole didn’t expose anything, Pressac and Faurrison knew that Krema I was a reconstruction in the late 70’s and early 80’s.

                  Nice to see you acknowledge that Irving is a weathervane.

                  Jeff wrote: “Oh, wait. They are now apostates to the denier cult. Silly me……of course, if you wait long enough Irving will become a denier again.”

                  “They are no ‘apostates.’

                  1) Because they never denied the Holocaust. They just asked questions about specific claims at specific locations.
                  2) Because they didn’t deny their previous conclusions, their inconvenient conclusions about the Western camps (Cole), Majdanek (Cole), and Auschwitz (Cole and Irving). They just moved eastwards, like the Big H itself, for unconvincing reasons.
                  3) I think that apostasy under threat of death (Cole) and imprisonment (Irving) is sincere and valid.”

                  OK.

                  Jeff wrote: “Agreed. They kinda shot themselves in the foot.”

                  “Not more than yourself when you used Hitler’s annihilation prophecy to prove an alleged Nazi policy of mass murder… ;-)”

                  Oh, that’s right. You don’t like speeches. Unless, of course, they prove your point.

                  Jeff wrote: “He probably didn’t concern himself.”

                  “Yes, the Jewish question was no big deal for him… :-o”

                  Hitler wanted the Jews gone. His subordinates found a way to make it happen. He was busy losing the war.

                  Jeff wrote: “Don’t need one. Goering authorized the SS to handle the Jewish question.”

                  “…and also said that the Jewish question had been handled through a territorial eviction, not through extermination. Waw! It seems the Rudenko path really needs to be looked more closely…”

                  As I’ve said, crap happens, things change. The SS tried a territorial solution, the Nisko Plan. It didn’t work out, they figured out killing was easier than shipping the Jews en masse.

                  Jeff wrote: “Paget didn’t concern himself with digging deeper into what happened. Others did and proved his “memories” wrong.”

                  “After the duck, the Parrot now. Proved his memories wrong by what means? How? They exhumed and studied 30,000 corpses at that location? No? Thus they didn’t prove him wrong.”

                  Researchers went and looked at the evidence, Hermie. That was not Paget’s job, his job was clearing his client. The prosecution did a poor job refuting it, good for Paget.

                  So, time stands still? No one is allowed to come back and take another look?

                  The locals know the graves are there, Hermie.

                  They loot them looking for “Jew gold.”

                  http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/04/17/mass-graves-of-nazi-victims-dug-up-in-crimea-russian-jewish-leaders-call-on-authorities-to-take-action/

                  Jeff wrote: “Hermie, if there was some kind of “conspiracy” in which the Soviets, US and Britain were culpable in, why allow Paget into the area at all? Why would Churchill (of all people) champion Manstein’s defense?”

                  “What conspiracy? Atrocity propaganda demonizing your enemies is no conspiracy. That’s the standard procedure. According to the Nuremberg ‘courts’, only the ‘Holocaust’ was a conspiracy in this matter. The war was over. 5 years had elapsed. Numerous mock trials had decimated the ranks of the vanquished. Denazification was quite successfull. The need for Nazi witches to burn had somewhat faded away. So Manstein could undergo a trial less unfair than the previous ones.”

                  But, I thought Churchill hated Germans. Why come to his defense?

                  Jeff wrote: ”That’s nice. BTW, the date on that document predates the mass expulsion of the Jews from the Polish ghettos by around 4 months. Crap happens, things change.”

                  “But it follows the famous Wannsee Conference by around 3 weeks.”

                  Again, that’s nice. It still predates the first real mass expulsions.

                  Jeff wrote: “Locals, not foreigners.”

                  “Foreigners, not locals. How long can we play this game?”

                  Well, considering that you have no actual proof that these were foreigners you will continue to be wrong until you prove otherwise.

                  Jeff wrote: “The whole shrunken head/skin lampshades is irrelevant.
                  See above. Heads, lampshades, irrelevant.”

                  “Why? Not used by the victors and mainstream media to ‘prove’ that the Nazis were monsters able to gas millions of Jews to death? What’s next? The Holo-mafia should explain everybody that the terrible pics of emaciated bodies at Belsen, Dachau, etc. are irrelevant and show big epidemics but no extermination policy? Ô no! Not that one! What would be left to bamboozle the populace without those great pictorial indoctrination tools?!? A philosopher or another did probably write some unflateering things about the peoples ‘educated’ with pictures and stories…”

                  Lots of sizzle, no steak. Only deniers cling to shrunken heads and lampshades.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 7:14 am

              • edit: read “is not sincere and valid” instead of “is sincere and valid.”

                Comment by hermie — June 7, 2016 @ 3:25 pm

              • Puerilities. Nothing new. Just going around in endless circles. It seems we have finally squeezed it completely dry…

                Jeff wrote: “Oh, that’s right. You don’t like speeches. Unless, of course, they prove your point.”

                Hitler’s annihilation ‘prophecy’ and his numerous wartime references to it in subsequent speeches (including during the ‘Holocaust’) prove my point. Are you sure you want to talk about that again?

                Comment by hermie — June 9, 2016 @ 4:13 am

                • “Puerilities. Nothing new. Just going around in endless circles. It seems we have finally squeezed it completely dry…”

                  Yes, you are still wrong.

                  Jeff wrote: “Oh, that’s right. You don’t like speeches. Unless, of course, they prove your point.”

                  “Hitler’s annihilation ‘prophecy’ and his numerous wartime references to it in subsequent speeches (including during the ‘Holocaust’) prove my point. Are you sure you want to talk about that again?”

                  I’m not sure what you mean.
                  Hitler’s speeches on the annihilation of the Jews proves he never meant to annihilate the Jews???

                  Is that some type of attempt at a denier mind trick?
                  A “these are not the droids you are looking for” kind of thing?
                  The problem is that only works on weak denier minds.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 5:36 am

                • You wrote: “Hitler’s speeches on the annihilation of the Jews proves he never meant to annihilate the Jews???”

                  Hitler’s speeches are sometimes misquoted. I have a page on my website, where I have quoted Hitler’s speeches: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/HitlerSpeeches.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 9, 2016 @ 6:51 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Yes, you are still wrong.”

                  Another one of your countless imaginary victories. Congratulations, champion.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m not sure what you mean. Hitler’s speeches on the annihilation of the Jews proves he never meant to annihilate the Jews??? Is that some type of attempt at a denier mind trick?”

                  No, I mean Hitler’s speeches on the annihilation (literally the reduction to nothing) of the Jews in Europe doesn’t deal with mass murder as often alleged but with the crushing of Jewish power in Europe by means of anti-Semitic policies and propaganda on a continental scale.

                  Comment by hermie — June 9, 2016 @ 8:37 am

                • It’s amazing that all evil is attributed to Hitler in his speeches, yet when we can get an accurate translation and not one that has been Jew translated he never wanted to “exterminate” the Jews but just get them the hell out of Germany because of the havoc they would bring and continue to bring even after the war.
                  Too bad no one listen to him, what he predicted to happen.
                  Like usual people will believe what they want to believe about Hitler and Germany in general because that is how they have been taught from day one from the Jewish handlers of propaganda.
                  Very few people will see what Hitler did for Germany was not only good for Germany but eventually would be for the whole world…..but they didn’t listen and look at the Jew run world we live in today.
                  I find it hard to understand how so called intelligent people some who even post here can fall for the Jewspeak and not see through it for the evil that it is.
                  I don’t hate Jews just the evil that they do…..they have also have been brainwashed to believe certain grandiose things about themselves that are so far from the truth
                  but sadly they won’t budge when shown they are wrong. When non Jews believe the same crap it’s even sadder.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 9, 2016 @ 9:10 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Yes, you are still wrong.”

                  “Another one of your countless imaginary victories. Congratulations, champion.”

                  It’s not imaginary if you started wrong and ended wrong.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m not sure what you mean. Hitler’s speeches on the annihilation of the Jews proves he never meant to annihilate the Jews??? Is that some type of attempt at a denier mind trick?”

                  “No, I mean Hitler’s speeches on the annihilation (literally the reduction to nothing) of the Jews in Europe doesn’t deal with mass murder as often alleged but with the crushing of Jewish power in Europe by means of anti-Semitic policies and propaganda on a continental scale.”

                  Oh, so more squirming and denier word play.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 10:40 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Oh, so more squirming and denier word play.”

                  No ‘denier word play.’ Just the next sentences in Hitler’s speech, the sentences academic twistorians and mainstream media always ‘omit.’

                  We’ve already talked about this in the past. Not smart enough? Or Holo-faith too shaken?

                  Comment by hermie — June 9, 2016 @ 3:13 pm

          • That one was too obvious. I’m off on my rant trying to figure how some poor slob carved the star of Dave into the wall,when there’s no way in hell he could’ve got down there ,caused everyone was packed so tight.

            Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 7:14 pm

    • Well, they might have used the nails from their claws and/or hoofs, which might have been malnutrition-resistant.

      Comment by Anonymous — May 24, 2016 @ 6:48 pm

      • Another fake horror Disneyland atrocity story.
        I guess they must have had fingernails made of steel.
        How about taking a DNA test of the wall and find out.
        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 6:51 pm

        • I’m still waiting for someone to tell me how this poor slob,carved the star of Dave in the wall. They were packed like sardines,so how the hell was he able to get down there? I say some of the folks that run that tourist trap thought,”this would be a cool idea. Let’s carve a star of Dave into the wall. Then when we take these people on the magical tour,we can point out the star of Dave to these poor slobs . We can make them think the Jews in this gas house were defiant till the bitter end. They carved the star of Dave into the wall as they lay dying.”

          Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 7:11 pm

      • Claw was not meant to be literal. It’s slang in this here. You ain’t never heard someone say,”I’m gonna claw your eyes out”. Slang not literal. You thought I was referring to the Jews as animals in the sense of an animals claws. It was slang for this purpose

        Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 7:03 pm

  8. “What else is new? The Jews will continue lying until there are no more Jews in this world.”

    I know how sad it makes you and other deniers that Hitler ran out of time to complete his extermination of the Jews.

    I honestly don’t understand why you, Jim, Schlageter and Hermie can’t admit that the Holocaust happened.

    Be honest and say how disgusted you are that Hitler failed.

    After all, according to you, the Jews deserved to be “holocausted.”

    Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 9:49 am

    • Jeff wrote: “I know how sad it makes you and other deniers that Hitler ran out of time to complete his extermination of the Jews. I honestly don’t understand why you, Jim, Schlageter and Hermie can’t admit that the Holocaust happened.”

      As far as I’m concerned, it’s not that I can’t admit that the Holocaust happened but that I don’t believe that it happened. Funny you believe it’s a matter of can and cannot admit a thing…

      But as I often say: The Holocaust was/is just a Zionist land grabbing hoax and war atrocity propaganda, but a good idea is a good idea. If anybody goes for a biological liquidation of Jewry as a whole someday, I’m in! Of course!!

      Comment by hermie — May 24, 2016 @ 4:14 pm

      • Again, your comment made smile but somehow I don’t think you are joking.

        In any case I doubt the complete eradication from the Jews from the planet would ease the demons running around your skull, Hermie.

        Even if all the Jews disappeared there would still be blacks, queers, dykes, feminists and Muslims, Hermie. I left out the spics, you’ve never said anything about them.

        Oh, wiping out Tel Aviv would mean the death of many Palestinians, but, let’s be honest. You deniers don’t actually give a shit about them. They are simply an excuse.

        Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 7:06 pm

        • Jeff you do the typical dragging the red herring over the trail when it comes to the Holohoax this has nothing to do with other nationalities blacks Latinos whatever this has to do with Holohucksters that lie. We expose them you can’t defend the now you try to bring up another point to take people’s attention off the true issue.
          Shame on you…. now you’re thinking like a Jew.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 7:10 pm

          • “Shame on you…. now you’re thinking like a Jew.”

            Jim, are you trying to make me vomit or laugh?

            I don’t know what “thinking like a Jew” means.
            Talk about a red herring.
            I just think that deniers can spare us all the sanctimonious horse shit about moaning and groaning about the Palestinians.

            Deniers don’t care about the Palestinians for the following reasons:
            1) They are Muslim
            2) They aren’t white

            They are simply an excuse. Frankly I have more sympathy for the Palestinians.

            Comment by Jeff K. — May 29, 2016 @ 8:07 pm

        • Yeah hey,that’s like that one part in “The Wall”. Ol Bob Geldorf done had his nervous breakdown by that part in the movie. He was trying to recruit other people to join his black shirts. The song playing was “waiting for the worms”. Ol Bob Geldorf is shouting into his bullhorn ,”to turn on the showers and fire the ovens. For the queers and the coons and the Reds and the Jews”. I’ve always wondered how much shit Roger Waters has had to take ,since he was the one who wrote the song.

          Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 7:37 pm

          • Roger Waters is one of the most brilliant song writers and musicians in our times.

            “The Wall” is a personal favorite.
            I’ve owned the album, cassettes and now CD.

            Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 8:43 pm

            • Considering vinyl is hard to come by,you got something that is gonna hold some value . I know one person that’s not a fan of his like us. Dionne Warwick. Waters is on the side of the Palastinians and Warwick is cheering for Israel . Everybody is entitled to their own opinion,but I hate it when celebrities pull crap like this. Actors,musicians,sports personalities,etc. I watch or listen to them,to get away from reality for awhile. They pull this crap and it diminishes it. I do know a few years back Roger got a project going on his website. Since his father died in the war,he made a page on his site called the wall. This was different. You send in a pic and brief description about the person and how they met their end. Pictures of people effected by war. Civilian or soldier. I thought it was cool as shit. It showed soldiers ain’t the only ones that go down in a war. Didn’t matter who the person was or where they’re from. Put their picture up. They all lost their lives from some kind of war. Go to his site. It might still be up. I do know the piece where he’s trading barbs with Dionne Warwick is on there. He had “Roger Waters:The Wall” last year. You can get the DVD on his site.

              Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 3:47 pm

              • Sadly, I no longer have the album. It was a casualty, I lost it at a party. I replaced it with cassette so I could listen to it in my car, later I replaced it with CD.

                Comment by Jeff K. — May 25, 2016 @ 4:20 pm

                • That was one of the last good ones they did (the division bell “was” the last good one). Roger Waters did an album a couple years ago. “Amused to Death”. I’ve never listened to it. I’m to worried it might go in the same direction Dave Gilmores solo album went. It was sorry. I know about a year before Warren Zevon passed away,he put out his last album. Dave Gilmore played lead guitar on a couple songs. All a person had to do was listen to a couple notes. It was easy to tell Gilmore was playing. I figure if they can’t function as a group,don’t go solo. It never seems to work. Van Halen. Perfect example. David Lee Roth tried solo . It was horrible. Dave is a snot nosed,conceited showboat from hell,but he was half the reason we’d go see Van Halen

                  Comment by Tim — May 26, 2016 @ 10:05 am

        • Jeff wrote: “Again, your comment made smile but somehow I don’t think you are joking.”

          You’re right, Jeff. I’m not joking.

          Jeff wrote: “In any case I doubt the complete eradication from the Jews from the planet would ease the demons running around your skull, Hermie.”

          Let’s give it a try. Just to see if the world is better or not without them.😉

          Jeff wrote: “Even if all the Jews disappeared there would still be blacks, queers, dykes, feminists and Muslims, Hermie.”

          Would be easier to deal with those ‘prodigies’ without any kike in the way…

          Jeff wrote: “Oh, wiping out Tel Aviv would mean the death of many Palestinians, but let’s be honest. You deniers don’t actually give a shit about them. They are simply an excuse.”

          True as far as I’m concerned. True that I don’t give a shit about the Palestinians or any kind of Arabs in general. Not true that they are simply an excuse for me, since I never mention them.

          Comment by hermie — May 26, 2016 @ 2:27 am

  9. “I love gas chamber stories?”

    Then you speak about a novel – but somehow allege that this equates to “Jews lying?”

    You are not writing to spread knowledge, in any way, but to spread hate😦

    Comment by Halli — May 24, 2016 @ 8:55 am

    • Everything that comes out of a jews mouth is hate

      Comment by Schlageter — May 24, 2016 @ 8:56 am

      • That’s hysterical, coming from you.

        Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 9:42 am

        • When it comes to the Holocaust I would say 99% of what comes out of the Jews mouths are lies.. It’s just a shame that we can’t take him to task in some courts setting to show that they are dead wrong. The only problem is that will never happen because in 19 countries you’re banned or jailed for speaking out against the Holocaust so the court systems have been hijacked by the Jews to protect their lies…… you don’t make laws to protect lies and that’s exactly what the Jews have done. That probably is one of the biggest reasons why you’re really should be against the Holo hoax because of the fact that it’s being protected by laws in the court systems in many countries.
          If people find revisionist information wrong then why not just debate it and show that it’s not right…. but they don’t do that…. they have to have laws made to stop any process that will expose the lies.

          There is no free speech or free thought when it comes down to the Holo hoax it’s either you believe the Jews way or no way simple as that.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 9:59 am

          • “If people find revisionist information wrong then why not just debate it and show that it’s not right…. but they don’t do that…. they have to have laws made to stop any process that will expose the lies.”

            Why do you think I come here, Jim?
            I don’t have an agenda. I just simply show you where you are wrong.

            Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 10:06 am

            • Jeff the only problem is you’re outnumbered here and you haven’t showed me where I’m wrong. What you really should be doing is you should be finding out why these countries are putting people like myself in jail for just giving my opinion in trying to open up to date on the topic that’s what you really should be doing because coming here you’re not going to convince us we are already convinced that the Holo hoax is what it is. What you have to do is talk to people that are coming after us why they’re coming after us and why they are making laws that are trying to stop us from our free-speech…. bottom line is it’s all about free speech….. and another thing do you agree that by doing what they’re doing banning and jailing people like myself they’re hiding something or trying to hide something.
              Should debate or questions on the Holocaust be banned in these 19 countries or not ….that’s the question I’m asking you.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 10:28 am

              • Jim, you don’t know what the Sondercommandos actually did, for some reason you think Zyclon B is “bug spray,” you constantly say that six million Jews were transported to Poland, you think the Einsatsgruppen PRECEDED the Wehrmacht into the Soviet Union, do I need to go on? Oh, yeah, I forgot that your last video stated that no one ever talks about the other victims of National Socialism. Jim, have you ever heard of 14f13? Operation Tannenberg? The Soviet POW camps the German MILITARY set up after the invasion of the Soviet Union? The Commisar Order?
                Any of these things ring a bell?
                No?
                Would you like me to explain them to you? Link you to pertinent articles?

                As for why HD laws exist, they exist to stop hate speech.
                Personally I think that they are interpreted too liberally and I am against them.
                BTW, they don’t apply to you. Sure, your stuff has been removed but you’ve never been arrested, at least, you’ve never said you’ve been arrested.

                Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 10:47 am

                • I have written several blog posts about the Einsatzgruppen on my blog: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/einsatzgruppen/

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 24, 2016 @ 11:06 am

                • Jeff….. I find it interesting when that you come to the defense of the HoloHoax…. you completely evade any questions or dealingsthat expose those who have given false testimony about their experiences in the camps. For instance none of the camps on German Soil had homicidal gas Chambers there a proven truism and yet a lot of people have said they did so obviously they lied. So now we come to the Polish camps and people are saying the same thing why would we believe them any more than you would believe the Liars that testified for the German camps. But that doesn’t mean anything to you for some reason these people that have lied and they have been proven they have lied is not an issue with you and that’s what bothers me about talking to you and dealing with you….you completely avoid all the liars and what they said. In regards to the revisionist the revisionists don’t outwardly purposely lie what would be the reason for them to lie….. telling the truth gives us enough problems….. in regards to me being arrested I haven’t been arrested as of yet but I’ve been banned everywhere and I have had my shows taken off cable TV so that’s as close as being arrested as you can get when you can’t even have your say on public TV anymore…. I’m sanctioned stopped everywhere I go yet that’s not a problem for you and why ….because I’m trying to discuss an issue I have a passion about
                  I have a problem with people lying about any topic especially about topics that get other people put in jail for no reason other than spite and vindictiveness. You are backing up a Hoax that has been proven to be a hoax but you have the right to do that just like I have the right to expose you. The only difference between myself and people like you is I will never stop you from saying what you have to say. I actually welcome what you have to say.
                  Most People that believe the Holo hoax are pretty ornery people when it comes to the topic they are not nice people. But mean people have their rights too.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 11:30 am

                • “Jeff….. I find it interesting when that you come to the defense of the HoloHoax…. you completely evade any questions or dealingsthat expose those who have given false testimony about their experiences in the camps.”

                  That’s because while I think eyewitness testimony is important I only believe it is relevant in filling in gaps. For example, to me it is completely irrelevant if some 90-year-old Jewish lady says that she spent her time in the camps eating and then pooping out her diamonds.
                  I don’t care, it means nothing. It has no historical relevance whatsoever. I’ve never read a memoir written by a survivor, I’ve never seen Schindler’s List and I don’t plan on doing either. Ever.
                  Now, when I look at the Koehrer Report and the Hoefle Telegram, these are important. This is documented evidence by the Germans themselves. This shows that the SS deported almost 1.5 million Polish Jews to four camps by December 31st, 1942.
                  Now, what happened to them? Early reports by the Polish Underground and escaped Jews note the execution of large numbers of Jews. There is no indication that any of these Jews ever left these camps. Confusion exists only about the method of killing (the steam chambers you dwell on so lovingly). Actual witnesses later testify to gassing and testimony by the operators of the engines state they were petrol engines.
                  The Germans then abandon these sites (in two cases the inmates revolted and break out of the camps, Belzec and Chelmno are shut down without a revolt). The Germans take pains to destroy these sites and attempt to leave no traces, burning the corpses and dumping the ash in the burial pits. The Poles investigate the site and find ash, bone fragments and even skeletal body parts.
                  So, testimony and evidence converge on the fact that these were death camps, not transit camps. The same thing applies to Birkenau.
                  One thing about Chelmno:
                  The Germans reactivated the site in 1944. Some of the Jews did revolt and killed some of their German guards, however, none of the Jews escape.

                  “For instance none of the camps on German Soil had homicidal gas Chambers there a proven truism and yet a lot of people have said they did so obviously they lied.”

                  Actual historical revisionism corrected this. As far as I know there were no prosecutions for actual “gassings” at Dachau or any other German concentration camp.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 12:02 pm

                • You wrote: “Now, when I look at the Koehrer Report and the Hoefle Telegram, these are important.”
                  I wrote abut the Koehrer report and the Hoefle telegram on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/03/08/does-the-famous-hoefle-telegram-prove-the-holocaust/

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 24, 2016 @ 1:52 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Now, when I look at the Koehrer Report and the Hoefle Telegram, these are important. This is documented evidence by the Germans themselves. This shows that the SS deported almost 1.5 million Polish Jews to four camps by December 31st, 1942. Now, what happened to them?”

                  After Bühler and Seyss-Inquart, perhaps Bormann will also be able to answer your question…

                  “Starting with the territory of the Reich and proceeding to the remaining European countries included in the final solution, the Jews are currently being deported to large camps which have already been established or which are to be established in the East, where they will either be used for work or else transported still farther to the East. The old Jews as well as Jews with high military decorations [Kriegsauszeichnungen] (Iron Cross 1st Class, (E.K.I.) Golden Medal for Valor [Goldene Tapferkeitsmedaille], etc.), are currently being resettled in the city of Theresienstadt which is located in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.” – [Head of the Nazi Party Chancellery & Hitler’s Personal Secretary] Martin Bormann, October 9, 1942, Preparatory Measures for the Solution of the Jewish Problem in Europe – Rumors About the Position of the Jews in the East, Nuremberg document 3244-PS.

                  If ‘transported to the East’ was a Nazi code word for ‘gassed to death’, what did ‘transported still farther to the East’ supposedly mean? Gassed to death twice???

                  Comment by hermie — May 24, 2016 @ 3:57 pm

                • Why, let’s see what Hans Frank has to say:

                  “As far as the Jews are concerned, I want to tell you quite frankly that they must be done away with in one way or. another. The F�hrer said once: ‘Should united Jewry again succeed in provoking a world-war, the blood of not only the nations which have been forced into the war by them, will be shed, but the Jew will have found his end in Europe’. I know that many of the measures carried out against the Jews in the Reich at present are being criticized. It is being tried intentionally, as is obvious from the reports on the morale, to talk about cruelty, harshness, etc. Before I continue, I want to beg you to agree with me on the following formula: We will principally have pity on the German people only, and nobody else in the whole world. The others, too, had no pity on us. As an old National-Socialist, I must say: This war would only be a partial success if the whole lot of Jewry would survive it, while we would have shed our best blood in order to save Europe. My attitude towards the Jews will, therefore, be based only on the expectation that they must disappear. They must be done away with. I have entered negotiations to have them deported to the East. A great discussion concerning that question will take place in Berlin in January, to which I am going to delegate the State Secretary Dr. Buehler. That discussion is to take place in the Reich Security Main Office with SS-Lt. General Heydrich. A great Jewish migration will begin, in any case.
                  “But what should be done with the Jews? Do you think they will be settled down in the ‘Ostland’, in villages? This is what we were told in Berlin: Why all this bother ? We can do nothing with them either in the ‘Ostland’ nor in the ‘Reich kommissariat’. So liquidate them yourself.

                  “Gentlemen, I must ask you to rid yourself of all feeling of pity. We must annihilate the Jews, wherever we find them and wherever it is possible, in order to maintain there the structure of the Reich as a whole. This will, naturally, be achieved by other methods than those pointed out by Bureau Chief Dr. Hummel. Nor can the judges of the Special Courts be made responsible for it, because of the limitations of the framework of the legal procedure. Such outdated views cannot be applied to such gigantic and unique events. We must find at any rate a way which leads to the goal, and my thoughts are working in that direction.

                  “The Jews represent for us-also extraordinarily malignant gluttons. We have now approximately 2,500,000 of them in the General Government, perhaps with the Jewish mixtures and everything that goes with it, 3,500,000 Jews. We cannot shoot or poison those 3,500,000 Jews, but we shall nevertheless be able to take measures, which will lead, somehow, to their annihilation, and this in connection with the gigantic measures to be determined in discussions from the Reich. The General Government must become free of Jews, the same as the Reich. Where and how this is to be achieved is a matter for the offices which we must appoint and create here. Their activities will be brought to your attention in due course.”

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 10:37 pm

                • I’m still wanting to know why all these countries turned the Jews away. People can say what they want,but it seems to me,the nazis tried to send them away. I think the reason everyone wanted to have the trials,is to ease their own conscience. Early on they could’ve done something,but they didn’t . I guess they figured,”the more we hammer the nazis,the less people will realize we could’ve done something. They won’t notice we turned boatloads of Jews away”.

                  Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 12:58 pm

                • You wrote: “I’m still wanting to know why all these countries turned the Jews away.”

                  Since the beginning of time, the Jews have been kicked out of most countries where they have tried to settle. I wrote about this on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/02/05/how-many-times-have-the-jews-been-exterminated/

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 25, 2016 @ 2:18 pm

                • Everybody had such a hardon at Nuremberg . Is that why everyone happily participated in the trials. To ease their guilt for turning away the hebs? Make it look like they gave a damn,when they didn’t . It’s kinda like they were saying,”we’ll gladly help you with your quandary,but you can’t move into our country. I read they were gonna be given their piece of land in Africa,but they acted like it was beneath them. I’m not gonna feel bad for someone (or in this case,a group of people) if they have that kind of attitude. When they gonna wake up and realize,they’re Gods chosen only because his other choice was pagans. I’m sorry,but I think a lot of the shit the Jews pull,is because they are supposedly the chosen ones . Truth be known,they probably manufactured that lie too. I’ve rarely heard our pastor speak of the Jews . He does say,in Gods eyes we’re all equal. No one is above the other.

                  Comment by Tim — May 25, 2016 @ 3:28 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Why, let’s see what Hans Frank has to say:”

                  No matter what ‘the man in the street’ at Berlin thought about that. No matter that the latter’s opinion was. “Why all this bother [with mass deportations and resettlements of Jews in Far Eastern Europe]? We [the Germans] can do nothing with them [in Far Eastern Europe]. So liquidate them yourself [in Poland, Mr. Frank].” This quote predates the Wannsee Conference, the “great discussion concerning that question” about to “take place in Berlin,” where the policy on that matter would be agreed and planned. Just another exterminationist anachronistic extrapolation, IMO showing more Holohoaxsters’ utter desperation for real evidence of their claims than any kind of Nazi mass murder project…

                  Comment by hermie — May 25, 2016 @ 8:02 am

                • Tim wrote: “Everybody had such a hardon at Nuremberg . Is that why everyone happily participated in the trials. To ease their guilt for turning away the hebs?”

                  IMO, that was because they had learned the lessons of WW1. After WW1, the victor’s wartime atrocity propaganda about the evil ‘Huns’ had quickly gone to waste. In order to prevent a repetition of that after WW2, a series of mock show trials was needed. As I said previously, any superhero needs his supervilain, and it’s even better if nobody’s able to forget how evil the supervilain was. The Nuremberg mock trials provided the victors with that. And Germany’s alleged vilainy was very convenient to justify the hegemonic position of the 2 new world superpowers – USA & USSR. The United States and the Soviet Union were very happy to be regarded as saviors rather than as the new global domineering suzerains that they were.

                  Comment by hermie — May 27, 2016 @ 8:33 am

                • Jeff…..You might want to get the straight scoop on the Sonderkommando…..
                  There were more than one group of them and there was NO homicidal gas chamber Sonderkommando.
                  Germar Rudolf sets the matter straight here in his latest video. You can believe all the bull shit out there but he really explains it
                  what the real deal is.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 27, 2016 @ 8:40 am

                • First of all, Jim, if you want me to watch a video you may want to e-mail it to me directly.
                  Second, you SAY this is Gemar Rudolf, however, how can really be sure? The man has so many pseudonyms I don’t think he even knows his real name anymore.
                  Last, I already know who and what the Sondercommandos did. In fact, sometimes they weren’t even Jewish. The Germans used Polish Sondercommandos to clean up after murdering mentally ill patients in Poland.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 10:51 am

                • You wrote: “The Germans used Polish Sondercommandos to clean up after murdering mentally ill patients in Poland.”
                  What is your source for this statement? I don’t know of any “murdering of mentally ill patients in Poland”. As far as I know, the mentally ill were killed in Hartheim castle. I have a section on my website about Hartheim Castle. Keep in mind that my website was written before I became a Holocaust denier.

                  http://scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/index.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 27, 2016 @ 11:19 am

                • The Euthanasia Program extended to Poland as well as Germany.
                  Lange commanded a special action group that murdered psychiatric patients in Poland. The book I cited is a good source about Lange’s activities in Poland, however, I gave you links for information. The book is available as an e-book fairly cheaply, I think I paid 10.99, a hard copy runs about 70.00.

                  I included information from HEART though I understand that the site is a little iffy. To back up HEART I included two other sites.

                  http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/chelmnoSSstafflist.html

                  http://www.urb-ex.pl/en/tag/ss-sonderkommando-lange/

                  http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/herbert%20lange.html

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 12:56 pm

                • J. If the video is giving you grief,there should be a mssg on the screen that’s on the answer Jimbo provided you. The mssg says,” video not playing. View it on YouTube directly” ( something like that). Click on that redirect. Your video will come up.

                  Comment by Tim — May 27, 2016 @ 12:17 pm

                • Thanks, Tim.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 1:00 pm

                • “Henryk Mania was a teenager studying metalworking in September 1939 when Germany attacked Poland. Within two weeks, he was arrested for allegedly trying to poison a German. After working on a chain gang for a few weeks repairing roads and rail lines, he was among a group of prisoners transferred from a jail in the town of Wolsztyn to a cell in Fort VII. After a short period of time, only a few of his fellow prisoners were still alive. Mania, Marian Libelt and Wacław Ś witała from Rakoniewice were transferred to a new cell, designated with the initials “SK” [Sonderkommando], in which four other Polish prisoners were being held: Henryk Maliczak, Stanisław Polubi ń ski, Stanisław Szyma ń ski and Kajetan”

                  The Germans used these Poles to dig graves and dispose of psychiatric patients murdered in 1939-1940.
                  See Chelmno and the Holocaust by Patrick Montague.
                  The word “Sondercommando” meant any group formed for special purposes, for example, these Pole were attached to “Sondercommando Lange,” a mobile execution group operating in Poland for the express purpose of murdering psychiatric patients to clear hospital space.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 11:10 am

                • Germar with the truth….you do know why he uses different names….
                  I mean really now….
                  Germar exposes HoloHoax museum

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 27, 2016 @ 11:19 am

                • “Germar with the truth….you do know why he uses different names….”

                  Yes. It makes it easier to cite himself when he tries to prove his bullshit theories.

                  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

                • Now Jeff you starting to piss me off…. Germar went to jail so he has to use false names to get his books where he wants to put them because if he puts his name to the book they are going to throw him in jail again….he went to jail for 44 months. What do you expect him to do….. you Holohucksters have no sympathy for people that are telling the truth so he has to protect himself from shibags like you that want the put him in jail agsin your really are an asshole for insinuating that.
                  You have the privilege to say what you want but he didn’t have that privilege when he was in Germany in the European countries so at least give a guy a break for trying to stay alive and out of jail.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 27, 2016 @ 12:56 pm

                • “Now Jeff you starting to piss me off…. ”

                  😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

                  Don’t take life so seriously, Jim. Remember, no one gets out alive.

                  “Germar went to jail so he has to use false names to get his books where he wants to put them because if he puts his name to the book they are going to throw him in jail again…”

                  Germar once cited an “Ernst Gauss” in a footnote to make a point.
                  “Ernst Gauss” is one of Rudolf’s pseudonyms.
                  So, he cited himself. I think that’s funnier than hell.
                  Apparently he’s done that a few times.

                  “he went to jail for 44 months.”

                  Well, whose fault is that? If you violate the law you go to jail.

                  “What do you expect him to do…..”

                  I expect him to stop distorting history. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.

                  “you Holohucksters have no sympathy for people that are telling the truth”

                  No, I have no sympathy for those who distort history in order to advance their warped agendas.
                  I have voiced my opposition to HD Laws and their interpretation. Does that make you feel better?

                  “so he has to protect himself from shibags like you that want the put him in jail agsin your really are an asshole for insinuating that.”

                  Now, that feels personal and frankly hurts my feelings.
                  Just kidding, I actually don’t have feelings.
                  I just said I disagree with HD Laws, Jim. My own personal belief is that as long as someone doesn’t encourage violence or commit violence their speech should be protected. Now, really, there is no such thing as “free speech.” The only thing that the right to free speech does is guarantee government non-interference. It does not protect you from negative reaction.

                  “You have the privilege to say what you want but he didn’t have that privilege when he was in Germany in the European countries so at least give a guy a break for trying to stay alive and out of jail.”

                  All this is irrelevant to the history of the Holocaust.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 1:22 pm

                • Before I went to Auschwitz for the second time in 2005, I read some of Germar’s books so that I would know what to look for. His books are listed here: http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?author_id=1

                  He is the number one expert on the gas chambers. I became a Holocaust Denier because of reading his books, and then looking at the places that he described. If you want to hang on to your innocence and continue to be a True Believer, better not read any of Germar’s books.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 27, 2016 @ 1:44 pm

                • What would happen if a person was caught in a holo law country with just a book? What would happen if somebody from a holo law country,came into this country with a holo book? I know we don’t have those kind of laws here,but would U S Immigrations get on the horn to their country and give them a heads up that one of their citizens is coming back to their country with holo denial books

                  Comment by Tim — May 27, 2016 @ 2:02 pm

                • I thought Fred Leuchter was the number one expert on gas chambers.
                  I’ve read some the so-called “Holocaust Handbooks.”
                  You mean I’m supposed to take those seriously?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 3:00 pm

                • Jeff……. Like Jean Claude Pressac ( Auschwitz Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers) was an expert what in giving out pills? He was a pharmacist.
                  Robert Van Pelt ( The Case for Auschwitz) Architectural Historian, Raul Hillberg ( The Destruction of The European Jews) …Political Scientist….
                  So would you consider any of these people “EXPERTS” in Holocaust History, gas chambers, etc etc….

                  You seem to pick and choose who you want the experts to be while most of the books written about the HoloHoax are written by Revisionist.
                  How about giving the revisionist some credit. They definitely have written more about the topic than all the HoloHuxsters and their books are the books that are banned in many countries hmmmmm kinda suspicious if you would ask me.
                  Why their books? Don’t they have the right to present their case even if they are wrong?

                  JR
                  Holocausthandbooks.com

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 27, 2016 @ 3:52 pm

                • “Jeff……. Like Jean Claude Pressac ( Auschwitz Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers) was an expert what in giving out pills? He was a pharmacist.”

                  It’s actually pretty difficult to become a pharmacist, Jim.

                  http://www.learnhowtobecome.org/pharmacist/

                  You’ll notice that it requires extensive knowledge in biology and chemistry.

                  “Robert Van Pelt ( The Case for Auschwitz) Architectural Historian,”

                  Which means he understands form, design and function of buildings (gas chambers).

                  “Raul Hillberg ( The Destruction of The European Jews) …Political Scientist….”

                  Political Scientists also study history, Jim. I majored in history, part of my studies included the study of political systems, how political parties function, the history of important political movements like Fascism, Communism, etc.

                  “So would you consider any of these people “EXPERTS” in Holocaust History, gas chambers, etc etc….”

                  Well, I have someone who understands biology and chemistry, someone who understands the form and function of buildings and someone who understands National Socialism. Yep, pretty well set up.

                  “You seem to pick and choose who you want the experts to be while most of the books written about the HoloHoax are written by Revisionist.”

                  “More” does not equal “quality.” If I write 30 some odd books that qualify to line my son’s birdcage, that means they are not worth reading.

                  “How about giving the revisionist some credit.”

                  Uh, no. Garbage in, garbage out.

                  “They definitely have written more about the topic than all the HoloHuxsters and their books”

                  Jim, there are thousands of books written on the Holocaust and tens of thousands of articles written on the Holocaust.

                  “are the books that are banned in many countries hmmmmm kinda suspicious if you would ask me.”

                  No, not really.

                  “Why their books? Don’t they have the right to present their case even if they are wrong?”

                  Why are you still beating a dead horse? Jim, I think deniers should have the right to publish as many trash can liners and birdcage crap catchers as they want. I’m not the problem.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 4:18 pm

                • Fred Leuchter is the number one expert on real gas chambers, which were formerly used to execute people who had been convicted in a court of law and sentenced to death. Germar Rudolf is the number one expert on rooms that are claimed to have been gas chambers, but were not gas chambers.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 27, 2016 @ 4:50 pm

                • Fred Leuchter is the more technical guy dealing with gas Chambers in regards to how they are made and function whereas Germar Rudolph deals with the scientific evidence how a gas chamber works chemistry wise two different ways of dealing with the topic but there is some overlap.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 27, 2016 @ 4:55 pm

                • Well said! That is what I was trying to say.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 27, 2016 @ 4:59 pm

                • This is my reply to your statement, Jim:

                  “Fred Leuchter is the number one expert on real gas chambers, which were formerly used to execute people who had been convicted in a court of law and sentenced to death.”

                  How is he an expert if he never built, maintained or designed a gas chamber that was actually built?

                  “Germar Rudolf is the number one expert on rooms that are claimed to have been gas chambers, but were not gas chambers.”

                  I have experts that say otherwise.
                  So, let’s break the impasse. If you or some other denier can tell me what happened to the Jews history says died in the gas chambers, I’ll take you seriously.

                  Balls in your court, Jim and FG.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 5:07 pm

                • First of all Jeff who are your experts thatare going to defend the homicidal gas chambers theory. I personally have a friend friend up ( Fred Leuchter) here I meet with every now and then and I’ll be meeting with him soon to discuss these matters so who is your friend and second of all I really don’t care whatever happened to the Jews that’s all I know is there weren’t 6 million Jews that were killed and if they disappeared into Oblivion that’s their problem I just know that weren’t killed by zyklon-b gas in a room that couldn’t possibly even do it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 27, 2016 @ 5:17 pm

                • Here you go, Jim:
                  https://web.archive.org/web/20150306062109/http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/

                  https://web.archive.org/web/20150118053324/http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/blue/

                  https://web.archive.org/web/20150123073900/http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/

                  You give ol’ Freddie my best.

                  Tell Germar (or whoever he is) I said hello.

                  As for where the Jews went, why, that’s sort of the center of the whole thing. For every crank and pseudo-scientist deniers toss out there will always be experts to refute them.

                  Really, it’s not so hard because we are talking about very specific time periods that we need to account for.

                  You don’t need to account for six million Jews, Jim. Because of your very poor understanding of the time period I’ll simplify it for you.
                  You see, the Einsatzgruppen, Order Police, SS Cavalry and their collaborators shot about 1.2 million Jewish men, women and child between June 22nd, 1941 until the end of the war. See, that eliminates those dead from consideration.

                  The next numbers deal strictly with those victims that died in gas chambers. Around 1.5 million Jews died in the Action Reinhard and Chelmno gas chambers. Around a million Jews died in the gas chambers at Auschwitz, Auschwitz-Birkenau.

                  That accounts for around what? 3.7 million Jews?The rest died in the ghettos, the death marches, maltreatment, what have you.

                  So, we can just look at those that died in gas chambers because that’s what freaks deniers out so much.

                  The major periods of deportations start from around the Spring of 1942 and go approximately a year. These are Jews that history states were sent from the ghettos in Poland, the Warthgau and the General Government. These were Jews sent to the Reinhard Camps and Chelmno. These numbers include some foreign Jews and some gypsies but for the most part these were Polish Jews. History states that these were death camps set up to murder Jews, deniers state these were transit camps.

                  So, prove these were actual transit camps. “Transit camps” meant these were collection camps for these Polish Jews (and others). This meant these were mere stopover camps designed to collect and funnel Jews to other areas. Very well. Show me the destination points for these Jews. Now the denier ASSUMPTION is that the destination points were ghettos or camps inside the Soviet Union. No denier I’ve ever communicated with accepts my arguments against this. Very well. Prove me wrong.

                  As for Birkenau, it’s mass deportation period occurred in the Spring/Summer of 1944 with the Hungarian Jews. About 400,000 Hungarian Jews entered the camp at that period.
                  What happened to them? Despite its size Auschwitz-Birkenau-Monowitz and its satellite camps couldn’t hold all of these Jews. Where did they go?

                  You have a line into the denier scene, Jim. These people talk to you. You pass this along to them with my regards.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 6:18 pm

                • I’ve said this a million times. Why are people still hanging on at 6 mill? The Jews are the ones changing up the numbers. I’ve heard 6 then 4 and the last I heard they changed it to 1.5 mill. I can see why people question all this shit. I’m not siding with anybody. All I’m saying is people are gonna start to question why they can’t keep the numbers straight. I guess they figure with holo laws they can say what they will. Kind of like a “it’s okay to juggle the facts around. With these holo laws,you’ll never be found out”. I still say they should put the number of dead folks from the holo,on the Chicago Board of Trade. With the way they’re always changing those numbers up,we can buy and sell them like a commodity. People hedge on the weather. Let’s sell contracts on this

                  Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 7:39 am

                • You wrote: “If you or some other denier can tell me what happened to the Jews history says died in the gas chambers, I’ll take you seriously.”

                  The Jews died of typhus and other diseases. I have written about the lack of evidence of gassing in these blog posts: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/piles-of-shoes-prove-that-the-jews-were-gassed-in-the-nazi-death-camps/

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/bradley-smiths-nightmare-he-dreamt-that-he-was-gassed-in-a-nazi-gas-chamber/

                  I have written about the so-called gas chamber at Dachau here: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/Index.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 27, 2016 @ 5:32 pm

                • Are you saying the gassed Jews died from disease? What about the Jews the Einsatsgruppen shot? Were those Jews sent to the Reinhard Camps given a disease that then killed them? The same thing for the Jews sent to Birkenau?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 6:34 pm

                • Really Jeff you can prove that these Jews were shot?
                  Show me forensically that happened…..if it did happen who exactly were the ones shot?
                  HoloHuxsters love the numbers…..but have a hard time showing the results.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 27, 2016 @ 6:38 pm

                • Copies of the situation reports, translated:

                  http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/situationreport.html

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 11:02 am

                • Reports, again, different website

                  https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 11:06 am

                • Information about mass graves located and preservation efforts:

                  http://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/MMWG_Killing_Sites.pdf

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 11:09 am

                • Show my comment to your buddies, Jim.

                  Tell them I want an explanation.

                  Or, they can admit to you they don’t have answers.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 28, 2016 @ 11:12 am

                • I’ll side with you on the Jews that died from “lead poisoning”,but I did read somewhere that some pathologists did postmortem exams on a bunch of deceased inmates and found they died of typhus. I’m just saying.

                  Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 8:27 am

                • You wrote: “some pathologists did postmortem exams on a bunch of deceased inmates and found they die of typhus.”
                  The Nazis should have used Zyklon-B to kill the lice that spread typhus, instead of using it to kill the Jews.

                  I blogged about an 11 year old boy who was saved TWICE from the gas chamber by his father:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/04/23/how-an-11-year-old-jewish-boy-was-saved-from-the-gas-chamber-twice-by-his-father/

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 28, 2016 @ 8:43 am

                • That’s why I bought the typhus victims up. You wrote an article about this. That’s where I found out about the exam they did on the dead bodies. I don’t take everything here to be the gospel. So I go to outside sources. I can usually find outside sources to back up most of what is printed here. I go to YouTube and watch the commentaries that Jimbo has on there. Hermie backs his assertions up with printed newspaper articles. Jeff brings up valid points. Like I’ve said before,I like your site because you allow both sides to present their arguments . Some people who are just “passing through”,say this is a racists site. They don’t stay long enough to figure out it ain’t . Hypothetical situation. Let’s say it was the Noponese this happened to and not the Jews . Everything is the same,it’s just a different race. Would anyone here (both sides) be looking at this any different ? I don’t think they would. Everyone here is more concerned about what may or may not be lies. If this was a site run by the ABs or the Klan,yes. This would more than likely be a racist site. People on this site have taken a genuine interest in the subject. Some folks here say this is an event that we should learn from,so I don’t happen again. Other people are trying to right what they deem to be a historical wrong . They’re having a retrial for uncle Adolph and the Reich . Presenting facts that everyone was to chickenshit to bring up during Nuremberg . Some wetback doctor ( I guess he’s a beaner. His screen name is Dr. Pancho) on here just left a comment “all nazis suck —– in hell”. Clearly he has no argument to make. First time I saw this site I thought,”more Jew haters”. After awhile I’ve come to the conclusion it’s not the Jews so much,but the lies that are being created in this whole mess. There’s other people’s that are helping the Jews with some of the lies. People don’t get pissed at their race. They’re just pissed because they play lackey for the Jews . Once again that’s just my observation

                  Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 10:11 am

                • Out here in Texas we only had the chair and now we’re at lethal injection. Turns into a circus every time someone in Huntsville gets put down. Mick Jagger’s ex wife (Bianca) is always up there screaming and hollering the day someone gets put down ( Mick has my sympathies for making the fatal mistake of marrying her at one time). I spoke with a fellow excon years back. He was a trustee at San Quinten. He saw the chamber up close and personal( can’t recall why. He may have worked around it or something). He was telling me about it. As usual I’m not taking sides here. Told yall I evaluate both sides and come to my own conclusions. I got to thinking about the gas house the nazis had,versus the one at San Quention. From what this man was telling me,these things have to be built to exacting “specifications” . He was saying they kept the maintainence up on this thing perfectly. The people that constructed it,had to be at the top of their game. From what he said,you could probably stand right next to the chamber and the gas wouldn’t effect you. Now when I look at the buildings they say were gas houses,I don’t see where they’re built all that great. Air tight being the first issue I have. They look like a few brick masons put the things up for a “side job”. They said they have a prison guard dumping the pellets in the chamber on the roof. From where I stand,that seems a bit irresponsible . I’ve yet to hear where anyone had any specialized training here. If a person is handling an extremely dangerous chemical such as that,wouldn’t it make sense to send these people to educational seminars,if they’re gonna handle this shit? Nazis may not have been everyone’s heros,but they weren’t stupid. Papa Joe didn’t have a problem with pouring his Ruskie troops away like water,but the German leaders seemed to take the safety of their troops a bit more seriously ( or the best that they could). What really bothers me,I’ve never seen any Haz Mat suits of any kind show up at these prisons. I’ve never heard anyone say the person dispensing the chemicals wore some kind of a HazMat suit. I don’t care if the gas was in a dormant state when he was dumping into the ceiling or not. Bottom line,it’s a very volatile chemical. I’m not saying this happened or it didn’t happen. To me it just seems there’s a few very “important” pieces of the puzzle missing. Now I read yesterday,the crew at the Auschwitz prison admitted,their gas house was a forgery ( something like that ). Shit like that where it makes the credibility factor go to shit with them folks.

                  Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 7:30 am

                • How does somebody claim to an expert on something that is “non existent “? This guy is an expert on rooms that were gas houses,but never were. People on here have proven time and again,that it don’t take an expert to prove something “never was”. That just seems to be common sense as to wether it’s a gas house or not. You know,things like no stains on the wall. The corpses of all those folks testing negative for gas. Seems to me proving it was,is a lot harder than proving it wasn’t . That’s just my view

                  Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 6:49 am

                • You wrote: “That just seems to be common sense as to wether it’s a gas house or not. You know,things like no stains on the wall.”

                  In my previous comment I put up a link to photos of the gas chambers at Dachau that were used to kill the lice in the clothing of the prisoners. I pointed out that the blue stains on the walls of these gas chambers have been painted over so that tourists cannot see that Zyklon-B leaves blue stains. The walls have been painted with white paint so that tourists will not say something like “Why are there no Zyklon-B stains on the walls of the alleged homicidal gas chambers.”

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 28, 2016 @ 7:04 am

                • “Fred Leuchter is the number one expert on real gas chambers, which were formerly used to execute people who had been convicted in a court of law and sentenced to death.”

                  How is he an expert if he never built, maintained or designed a gas chamber that was actually built?

                  “Germar Rudolf is the number one expert on rooms that are claimed to have been gas chambers, but were not gas chambers.”

                  I have experts that say otherwise.
                  So, let’s break the impasse. If you or some other denier can tell me what happened to the Jews history says died in the gas chambers, I’ll take you seriously.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 5:01 pm

                • Jim Morrison and the Doors. Your,”no one gets out alive”, reminded me of the title of their book. “No one here,gets out alive”.

                  Comment by Tim — May 27, 2016 @ 1:56 pm

                • When I was younger I didn’t particularly like the Doors. As I’ve gotten older I’ve grown to appreciate them.
                  “Riders on the Storm” and “This is the End” are probably my favorite Doors songs.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 3:21 pm

                • I really didn’t listen to any kind of rock music till I was in Nam. I served with these 2 Puerto Ricans and they had a fetish for The Who. Live at Leeds was the album they were always listening to. Before I went to Nam it was Dennis Yost,The Buckinghams,groups of that nature. When I heard hard rock for the first time.it put the zap on my head.

                  Comment by Tim — May 27, 2016 @ 4:15 pm

                • I have a wide range of music I enjoy, Tim. My dad got me hooked on 50’s Rock and Motown, my uncle got me hooked on The Beatles, a cousin got me hooked on the Rolling Stones, my brother introduced me to Cream, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix and The Who, I loved Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. Later on I listened to metal bands like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeath and Slayer. College introduced me to The Cure and other Indie Bands. Later I got hooked on Grunge like Nirvana and Alice In Chains.
                  I still listen to it all. My music collection ranges from David Bowie (RIP) to Marvin Gaye (RIP) to Led Zeppelin (RIP Bonham).
                  Wow, that was depressing, everyone I just mentioned is dead.
                  How about from The Cure to ZZ Top.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 4:31 pm

                • Every time i mention I live in La Grange,people go,”huh?” Then I mention ZZ Top and the ” Best Little Whorehouse in Texas”. I served with this black man in Nam. He was from Clarksdale,Mississippi ( supposedly where Robert Johnson made his deal with the devil). He turned me on to blues. Pink Anderson and Floyd Counsil ( where Syd Barret came up with Pink Floyd from) are okay. They’re Carolina blues. Howling Wolf is Chicago blues,but none of those can hold a candle to Delta Blues from Mississippi . There’s a guy named “Watermelon Slim”. He did his tour in Nam (like the rest of us,he came back and was pissed at the lies). He lives in Canada . He was heavily influenced by Delta Blues and Robert Johnson . He’s got a song out called “Devils Cadillac “. It’s easy enough to figure out,he’s singing about Robert. One summer my sister sent my nephew down to me for the summer. He did a good job around the ranch here. His last week he was here,I took him to a show in Houston at the Astro Arena,before they closed the arena down. Pantera,Prong,Sepultera and one other group. It was a good show. You probably wouldn’t care for Prong. They were selling concert shirts with a can of “prong cleanser” on it. The can had “superior cleansing power” on it. Prong is a big hit with the Aryan Brotherhood,people like that. So I’m pretty sure you can figure out what the “superior cleansing power ” part meant. They were an okay band. Sean is a hardcore Pantera fan,so I got him a Pantera concert T

                  Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 9:24 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Yes. It makes it easier to cite himself when he tries to prove his bullshit theories. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂”

                  Researchers cite themselves all the time. When embarked on a specific research line, they partly base their works on earlier works made by themselves. They do not start from scratch after years of research in a given are. There aren’t millions of specialists in lunar rocks in this world. So a guy studying lunar rocks will inevitably cite himself more or less frequently and abundantly in his papers. Research is a quite small world.

                  Comment by hermie — May 27, 2016 @ 4:21 pm

                • Of course.
                  Is customary to cite yourself under a pseudonym?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 27, 2016 @ 4:54 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Is customary to cite yourself under a pseudonym?”

                  When you’re treated like a heretical promoter of heliocentrism in a geocentric world, that is understandable if not logical. Holocaustianity & geocentrism, same fleeting victory of obscurantism, same temporary triumph of superstitions, same battle lost in the long run, …

                  Comment by hermie — May 28, 2016 @ 6:24 am

                • You wrote: “Is customary to cite yourself under a pseudonym?”

                  Yes, when you are a genius like Germar, this is quite common.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 28, 2016 @ 6:35 am

                • Jeff wrote: “Show my comment to your buddies, Jim. Tell them I want an explanation. ”

                  An explanation? In 1950, Manstein’s defence lawyer Reginald Paget proved that in general the ‘reports’ from the Einsatzgruppen of the number killed, were exaggerated by 1000%.

                  At the Manstein trial, Mr. Paget investigated an alleged massacre by the Einsatzgruppen in the Crimea. 10,000 Jews were claimed to have been murdered in just one day, but the real number turned out to be nearer 300, and of which a large percentage were not even Jews. Paget concluded that in general the reports from the Einsatzgruppen, were exaggerated by 1000%. Paget demonstrated that whole areas supposedly cleared of Jews contained many flourishing Jewish communities that were actually fully functional and untouched throughout the entire war. Clearly the EG ‘reports’ were false or at least greatly exaggerated. The British court (a British Military Tribunal in Hamburg) looked closely at this and accepted the unreliability factor of Einsatzgruppen ‘reports’ and von Manstein was acquitted.

                  Reginald Paget wrote in his memoirs:

                  “It seemed to me that in the SD claims (in the Einsatzgruppen reports) were quite impossible. Single companies of about 100 with about 8 vehicles were reporting the killing of up to 10,000 and 12,000 Jews in 2 or 3 days. They could not have got more than about 20 or 30 Jews who, be it remembered, thought they were being resettled and had their traps with them, into a single truck. Loading, travelling at least 10 kilometres, unloading and returning trucks would have taken nearer 2 hours than 1. The Russian winter day is short and there as no travelling by night. Killing 10,000 Jews would have taken at least 3 weeks.

                  In one instance we were able to check their figures. The SD Claimed that they had killed 10,000 in Simferopol during November and in December they reported Simferopol clear of Jews. By a series of cross checks we were able to establish that the execution of Jews in Simferopol had taken place in a single day, 16th November. Only one company of SD were in Simferopol. The place of execution was 15 kilometres from the town. The numbers involved could not have been more than about 300. These 300 were probably not exclusively Jews, but a miscellaneous collection of people who were being held on suspicion of resistance activity. The Simferopol incident received a good deal of publicity because it was spoken of by the prosecution’s only witness, an Austrian corporal called Gaffa who said that he heard anti-Jewish activities mentioned in an engineers mess when he was an orderly and had [passed the scene of the Simferopol execution. As a result we (the Manstein Defence team) received a large number of letters, and were able to call several witnesses who had been billeted with Jewish families and also spoke of the functioning of the local synagogue and of a Jewish market where they bought icons and similar bric-a-brac right up to the time that Manstein left the Crimea and after.

                  It was indeed clear that the Jewish community had continued to function quite openly in Simferopol and although several of our witnesses had heard rumours about an SD excess committed against Jews in Simferopol, it certainly appeared that this Jewish community was unaware of any special danger.” (Reginald T. Paget, Manstein Campaigns and Trial, 1951, pg. 170)

                  Also good to know that Field Marshal Erich von Manstein was a ‘Holocaust denier.’


                  August 10, 1946

                  In other words, the Einsatzgruppen ‘reports’ are of no use as far as history is concerned. The only honest use for those papers is the following one:

                  Comment by hermie — May 29, 2016 @ 9:24 am

                • “An explanation? In 1950, Manstein’s defence lawyer Reginald Paget proved that in general the ‘reports’ from the Einsatzgruppen of the number killed, were exaggerated by 1000%.”

                  “At the Manstein trial, Mr. Paget investigated an alleged massacre by the Einsatzgruppen in the Crimea. 10,000 Jews were claimed to have been murdered in just one day, but the real number turned out to be nearer 300, and of which a large percentage were not even Jews. Paget concluded that in general the reports from the Einsatzgruppen, were exaggerated by 1000%. Paget demonstrated that whole areas supposedly cleared of Jews contained many flourishing Jewish communities that were actually fully functional and untouched throughout the entire war. Clearly the EG ‘reports’ were false or at least greatly exaggerated. The British court (a British Military Tribunal in Hamburg) looked closely at this and accepted the unreliability factor of Einsatzgruppen ‘reports’ and von Manstein was acquitted.”

                  Manstein was convicted of 9 counts at his trial, he was not acquitted. He received 18 years but pressure applied by others on his behalf (including Winston Churchill and Basil Liddell Hart) reduced the sentence. Manstein left prison after serving 4 years.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Erich_von_Manstein

                  Interesting assessment of Manstein:

                  http://www.ww2f.com/topic/975-von-manstein-a-critical-assesment/

                  As for what happened to the Jews:

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/10/thats-why-it-is-denial-not-revisionism.html?m=1

                  “Also good to know that Field Marshal Erich von Manstein was a ‘Holocaust denier.’”

                  Falling back on the infamous “I didn’t know what was happening” isn’t “Holocaust denial,” its actually called “saving your ass.”

                  “In other words, the Einsatzgruppen ‘reports’ are of no use as far as history is concerned. The only honest use for those papers is the following one:”

                  So, you found one instance in a trial situation. Manstein’s defense attorney rightly pulled out all of the stops to acquit his client, that is, after all, the job of a defense attorney. Subsequent research proves that what he said/wrote is incorrect.

                  Sorry. But, in consolation, I fully agree that some books do deserve nothing more than to be used as toilet paper:

                  http://holocausthandbooks.com/

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 29, 2016 @ 10:44 am

                • I have written several blog posts about the Einsatzgruppen: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/einsatzgruppen/

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 29, 2016 @ 11:00 am

                • Hermie…. great post hopefully Jeff will get an better understanding of how all these numbers come into play which I’ve been saying for a while here you can’t trust any of these exaggerated numbers they don’t make sense one report that I read about the EG… was they executed 90, 000 people so that was when I read about it but that text that you put up really exposed the truth of what really happened the Jews have this thing that they think they were singled out in large numbers and when you really look at the facts that wasn’t the case at all the only way the Jews were going to get executed if they were doing something treasonous or involved with illegal activity in Germany.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 29, 2016 @ 11:18 am

                • I just demolished Hermie’s post, Jim.

                  I’ll give you the short version:
                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/10/thats-why-it-is-denial-not-revisionism.html?m=1

                  Just for shits and giggles, ask Hermie about his theory the Germans only incarcerated foreign Jews on Soviet soil.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 29, 2016 @ 11:45 am

                • I wrote about the subject of Treblinka being a transit camp on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/was-treblinka-really-a-transit-camp/

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 29, 2016 @ 12:00 pm

                • You’ve mentioned before about the “peep holes”,that the gas houses has on them. Have any of the survivors or tour guides at the place,tried to that to fuel the proverbial “fire”? Here’s what I’m referring to. Have any of them said shit like the prison guards would look through the peep holes for a quick laugh. Maybe they might say the guards use the holes to wager on how long it would take someone to die. So they use the peep hole and who ever comes closest to their time of death,wins the money in the pool. You know,like a football pool. There’s one other thing that’s bothered me. I hear every now and again about the ex prison guards that take up a new life her in the states. For the SAKE OF ARGUMENT,let’s say they did all the shit they were accused of. Wouldn’t it be a bit on the stupid side for them to start a family. Make a name for themselves at their job. Try to be the shining example of the “pillar of the community”? From the time the war ended,to the time they’ve arrested these people,we’ve made a huge leap in technology. A person can send something to INTERPOL like a picture and somebody could figure out in no time,if this is the person accused of shit. I’ve read comments from people that knew some of these people accused of this shit. The comments mostly always follow the same line. ” He was a stand up person in the community”. “He was an excellent employee”. “He was a great member of the church”. Now if these folks that were accused of this shit,don’t you think they’d want to fly low. Draw as little attention as possible? I see we have a lot of survivors on this country ( i say that cause I remember seeing a lot of folks with the tatts when I was living in south Florida . Why would they take a chance one of these people might see them. Yeah I’ve seen criminals that you know are dirty,but they make no attempt to hide. Best example there,Pablo Escobar and his son having their picture taken in front of the White House . Yeah,that’s arrogant as hell. If these people were the people they were accused of being,why does it take so long to get them? The only criminal that comes to mind it took the law dogs so long to catch,is Ted Kaczynski. There again,he was way below the radar. I’ve seen some of these people arrested in the mid to late 90’s . The war ended in ’45. That’s almost 50 years for some of them to get caught. Wouldn’t some of these people be an “open case” with someone like INTERPOL? These cases always seem to come down to one thing. A survivor recognizes them. So does that mean that no law enforcement agency out there,was actively pursuing these folks? I never hear,”this Jew survivor fingered this war criminal. We’ve got a case on them a mile thick. Let us cross the Ts and dot the I’s and we’ll be ready to go to trial. No they always build a case “after ” a survivor has let them know,they’ve seen a nazi criminal . Another thing. Do they ever put the accused in a line up. All I ever hear is,”the survivor identified them,so we’re gonna take that person to trial”. I mean are the arresting agencies that damned stupid,to where they’re gonna let a survivor ID a person from a 50 plus year old memory? Don’t make good sense. Hell,even if these people were accused of this shit,shouldn’t they get the same rights as any other criminal,in whatever country they have the trial. How come I see a lot of them extradited to Israel ? The crimes they’ve been accused of,sure as hell didn’t happen in Israel . If they ship them to Israel so the Jews can gloat,then thats a miscarriage of justice in my opinion. This shit seems to get more f–ked up the more I look at it. I think these guards that get accused of this,should get Morris Dees to defend them. He hates the Klan. I’m pretty sure he hates nazis. He defended a Klansman before. When it comes to the law,Morris don’t give a shit if he agrees with your views or not. He just wants to make sure a person gets a fair trial. I don’t think there’s to many attorneys out there,that worry about the defense they put up for these nazis

                  Comment by Tim — May 29, 2016 @ 5:31 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Manstein was convicted of 9 counts at his trial, he was not acquitted.”

                  You’ve missed the best part of the story!! Wikipedia states: “He was also found not guilty on the three charges relating to the extermination of the Jews.” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Erich_von_Manstein)

                  Jeff wrote: “Interesting assessment of Manstein: http://www.ww2f.com/topic/975-von-manstein-a-critical-assesment/

                  Interesting? 5 minutes of my life I’ll never get back…

                  Source of the claim below?

                  quote: A war diary entry was discovered which stated: “The new Commander in Chief [Manstein] does not wish officers to be present at shooting of Jews. This is unworthy of a German officer.”

                  Jeff wrote: “As for what happened to the Jews: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/10/thats-why-it-is-denial-not-revisionism.html?m=1

                  Great! Now you just need to dig out in Eastern Europe and find the remains of millions of Jewish corpses, and the matter is closed. No need to hide behind a distorted religious law in order to escape the burden of proof lying on you and yours. Nobody is naive enough to believe there are no judicial exhumations and autopsies of Jewish bodies in Israel.

                  Jeff wrote: “Falling back on the infamous “I didn’t know what was happening” isn’t “Holocaust denial,” its actually called “saving your ass.””

                  When you were in Manstein’s position and geographical locations during WW2, it is Holocaust denial. C’mon. Stop ridiculing yourself!

                  Jeff wrote: “I just demolished Hermie’s post, Jim.”

                  Definitely your funniest utterance ever! Excellent!!

                  Ha ha. Keep faith…

                  Comment by hermie — May 29, 2016 @ 1:36 pm

                • You’ve missed the best part of the story!! Wikipedia states: “He was also found not guilty on the three charges relating to the extermination of the Jews.” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Erich_von_Manstein)

                  You said Manstein was acquited.
                  You were wrong.

                  Jeff wrote: “Interesting assessment of Manstein: http://www.ww2f.com/topic/975-von-manstein-a-critical-assesment/”

                  “Interesting? 5 minutes of my life I’ll never get back…”

                  That’s generally how I feel after reading one of your posts.

                  “Source of the claim below?”

                  “quote: A war diary entry was discovered which stated: “The new Commander in Chief [Manstein] does not wish officers to be present at shooting of Jews. This is unworthy of a German officer.”

                  The Holocaust Controversies bloggers usually footnote, if not, reply to them and they can tell you where they got it.

                  Jeff wrote: “As for what happened to the Jews: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/10/thats-why-it-is-denial-not-revisionism.html?m=1”

                  “Great! Now you just need to dig out in Eastern Europe and find the remains of millions of Jewish corpses, and the matter is closed. No need to hide behind a distorted religious law in order to escape the burden of proof lying on you and yours. Nobody is naive enough to believe there are no judicial exhumations and autopsies of Jewish bodies in Israel.”

                  That is already being done:

                  http://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/MMWG_Killing_Sites.pdf

                  Jeff wrote: “Falling back on the infamous “I didn’t know what was happening” isn’t “Holocaust denial,” its actually called “saving your ass.””

                  “When you were in Manstein’s position and geographical locations during WW2, it is Holocaust denial. C’mon. Stop ridiculing yourself!”

                  Nope, sorry, you are wrong.
                  Germans after the war:
                  I saw nothing, I know nothing, I was always against the war and Hitler.

                  Jeff wrote: “I just demolished Hermie’s post, Jim.”

                  “Definitely your funniest utterance ever! Excellent!!”

                  I did demolish your post.

                  “Ha ha. Keep faith…”

                  You, too. That Holocaust Denial cult needs adherents like you.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 29, 2016 @ 1:59 pm

                • But can you really say 100% of Germany was behind hitler and the war during WW2? I’m just asking,because that would be like saying everybody from Mississippi and Alabama are racists. Yeah,I’m pretty sure the folks stood behind hitler when he made the country prosper again,but that don’t mean they supported him on the war. Some probably were ignorant on everything that was going on.

                  Comment by Tim — May 29, 2016 @ 5:42 pm

                • “But can you really say 100% of Germany was behind hitler and the war during WW2?”

                  Oh, I’d definitely say that 100% of Germans were not behind Hitler or the Nazi Party. At the height of its electoral success in 1933 the Nazi party received 37% of the vote. That’s actually pretty impressive considering how many political parties existed in Germany at that time but it was not an absolute majority.
                  In spite of what FG and others want you to believe Hitler’s popularity fluctuated a great deal. It was probably at its height during the 1930’s but even then it hit its peaks and valleys. In 1937-1938 Germany went through a downturn economically, just like everyone else. Trade was difficult because Germany lacked suitable trade partners plus much of the German economy geared itself towards rearmament. Rearmament is fine but it is not a solution towards fixing all economic problems. There were bottlenecks in industry due to difficulties in allocating resources. This caused a dip in both the party and Hitler’s popularity (truth be told, Hitler himself was much more popular than the Nazi Party). To some degree this caused an impetus towards expansion, Austria, the Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia had the resources that Hitler and Goering coveted.
                  But, back to Hitler’s popularity. Hitler was most popular when he won territory without resorting to war, for example Austria, the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, etc. The German public at large was much more anxious when things turned more warlike. There was a universal turning against the possibility of war during August of 1939. Once Hitler and the military won the initial battles of WW II Hitler’s popularity shot up again. Naturally it declined when things started to go badly.

                  “I’m just asking,because that would be like saying everybody from Mississippi and Alabama are racists. Yeah,I’m pretty sure the folks stood behind hitler when he made the country prosper again,but that don’t mean they supported him on the war. Some probably were ignorant on everything that was going on.”

                  See above, Tim.
                  You are correct, just like with any leader when things were going well Hitler was very popular. Not so much when things went against him.

                  I’d say Hitler was very charismatic but he was never the warm and fuzzy type. Hitler was socially awkward and could be very cold.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 29, 2016 @ 10:39 pm

                • I’ve seen those shows on like the history channel where they talk about the average German citizen being able to go on state sponsored vacations. Things of that nature. I’ve seen shows where they’d show the average German citizen putting the nazi flags back up after they got the shit bombed outta their neighborhood. I remember seeing the Limies would do shit along that line too. The one thing I feel bad about,is the current generation. I saw this German gal on tv once . Pretty gal. Probably in her early 20’s. She was crying her eyes talkin to this person that was conducting a brief interview with her. Said she was ashamed to be German . The guilt she carrying was like a ton of bricks. She’s totin it for people and ideals that don’t even exist anymore. Even if everything came down to exactly the way history said it did,that’s still no reason for this gal to be the “beast of burden” for the Jews ( thank Mick Jagger for me using the beast of burden for my description). I don’t see or hear everything,so it’s possible this may have been done. Why don’t the Jews try to extend an olive branch to the current generation of Germans ? Stop brining up the holo. That dead horse been beat senseless. It’s like with my ex wife . She said reason we didn’t work out,is cause I was always dragging up the past. That’s what this shit looks like to me. Nobodies ever gonna get anywhere if the hebs don’t let the past die. They’ve got their museums . They’ve got their survivors telling their tales of woe. Hey dad. Welcome to the world. Nobody is loved. Everybody gets f–ked. I still think it’s BS that they want to drop reality in the laps of grade school children. Okay,if they have to hear about the Jews,then I want them to hear about slavery too. I want them to hear about just how big a assholes the Niponese could be to the people in the different territories they took. I want them to know how many people died when Papa Joe was running Russia,or do those lives not matter. If the Jews insist on this shit,then they need to start handing out vouchers for free psychological counseling for these kids . Their minds are too young to process shit like this. I don’t see where the Jews are stepping up and saying these kids are too young to hear this shit just yet. Even if everything happened the way history said it did,would it hurt the Jews to take the high road. Nelson Mandela . I hate what he stood for. He was pretty much a socialist. So if the blacks had their way,they’d insist on the school children throughout the world,hearing of their horror stories in the schools. I’m sorry,but the Jews are acting like every other special interest group out there . They seem to play the shit outta the pity card. I’d probably wouldn’t be critical of them if they’d realize,”hey. Life ain’t fair”. It feeds us all a shit sandwhich without the bread. I’ve mentioned on here why the Monragnards and Mayans mean a lot to me. If the Jews wanna convince me they give a shit about others,tell them to take some of their stacks of cash and invest In museums,dealing with the Degar and Mayan genocide. I want the Yards and Mayans to be front and center. Tell the Hebs to sit on the back burner . Yeah I saw one of the Jew museums did an exhibit ( not a very good one) dealing with the genocide of the Yards. I know they did it for political reasons. Looked like they thought,”we need something to fill this empty space. Let’s throw some shit in there about the Degar. That way we can say we give a shit about other people’s that got f–ked over . I say ask the average Jew about the Mayans or Degar and their response is gonna be,”who?”. I might be stereotyping here,but the Jews seem too self centered to give a rats ass about anyone but themselves. Like Zaegar and Evans sang one time,”if Gods coming,he outta make it by then. He’ll look around and say,”guess it’s time for the judgement day”. Fine by me. Planet would be better off with the animals ( not the band. Ha ha) running it

                  Comment by Tim — May 30, 2016 @ 9:54 am

                • You sent me a link. Now I can’t find it. The dealt with total number of Jews dead. I said I get confused,because they’re constantly changing the numbers. I think you mentioned there were no six million Jews killed. This number comes straight from the horses mouth. There is a chart on the Jewish virtual library website. The chart is labeled,”the final solution;estimated number of Jews killed”. There are three columns . The first one is “pre final solution jew population”. The next one is,”jew population killed in final solution”. The last column just shows percentage . The figures are broken down by how many Jews killed in each country. Under the second column at the bottom it has total Jews killed. The number this chart gives is,5,933,900. That’s from the Hebs themselves. However I hear the Jews changing up the numbers. 4 mill,1.5 mill,now I see where one of them changed the number to “a little over 1 mill”. That’s why I say this confuses the shit outta me. They can never stick with any one number. The holo was what,70 some odd years ago. I figure over that span of time,somebody should be able to nail down a number,everyone can agree on

                  Comment by Tim — May 31, 2016 @ 8:45 am

                • Jeff wrote: “You said Manstein was acquited. You were wrong.”

                  Perhaps he was also convicted of touching his young neighbor’s pussy when he was 17. I don’t know. But since we’re talking about the ‘Holocaust,’ I couldn’t care less…

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s generally how I feel after reading one of your posts.”

                  Me too. Also how I feel after reading one of my posts.😉

                  Jeff wrote: “The Holocaust Controversies bloggers usually footnote, if not, reply to them and they can tell you where they got it.”

                  Not from HC. From your ‘interesting assessment of Manstein.’

                  You could at least read the content of the links provided by your Hasbara handbook.😮

                  Jeff wrote: “That is already being done: http://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/MMWG_Killing_Sites.pdf

                  I concede I was wrong…

                  THIS is your funniest utterance ever!!!

                  Jeff wrote: “Nope, sorry, you are wrong. Germans after the war: I saw nothing, I know nothing, I was always against the war and Hitler.”

                  Only the suicidal Germans…

                  Beside a handful of symbolic & theatrical cases of big fish like Höess, Stangl & Franz, the safest and quickest road to freedom for a German defendant on ‘trial’ after the war was: Yes. We murdered X trillion Jews with my wife’s vacuum cleaner. Especially my colleagues Hans and Fritz. But I was just following the orders.

                  Jeff wrote: “I did demolish your post.”

                  I see you’ve finally decided to listen to Dr. Coué’s pieces of advice. Good for you.

                  Comment by hermie — May 29, 2016 @ 4:08 pm

                • “Perhaps he was also convicted of touching his young neighbor’s pussy when he was 17. I don’t know.”

                  Now, is that anyway to speak of one of the greatest German generals of WW II?

                  “But since we’re talking about the ‘Holocaust,’ I couldn’t care less…”

                  You said acquited, not me.

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s generally how I feel after reading one of your posts.”

                  “Me too. Also how I feel after reading one of my posts. ;-)”

                  So, reading one of your own posts bores the shit out of you? Maybe you should liven up your writing style.

                  Jeff wrote: “The Holocaust Controversies bloggers usually footnote, if not, reply to them and they can tell you where they got it.”

                  “Not from HC. From your ‘interesting assessment of Manstein.’”

                  Oops, sorry. My mistake.
                  How about this:
                  Moral Combat, Michael Burleigh
                  Page 252:
                  “In December of 1941, at Simferopol, the capital of the Crimea, the army supplied trucks, ammunition and 2320 soldiers, 55 gendarmes and 20 Secret Field Police to help Dr. Braune’s small Sonderkommando 11b kill thirteen thousand Jews, not least because food resources….were tight. The army also carried out..raids to winkle out Jews who..escaped..the first massacre. There is no way…,Manstein did not know what his officers…were doing.64
                  …Ohlendorf threw a Winter Solstice party for his men and senior army guests…..Manstein’s staff officers gratefully received…gift of 120 watches….In fact, Manstein himself had asked for them.66

                  64. for the above see Oliver Von Wrochem, Erich Von Manstein. Vernichtungskrieg und Geschictspolitik (Paderborn, 2006) pp. 71-78
                  66. Wrochem, p. 78

                  There, now you have another source to look at plus the footnotes.
                  You’re welcome.

                  “You could at least read the content of the links provided by your Hasbara handbook. :-o”

                  Sorry, sometimes the handbook is boring to read.
                  Oh, crap, I didn’t mean to say that.

                  Jeff wrote: “That is already being done: http://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/MMWG_Killing_Sites.pdf”

                  “I concede I was wrong…”

                  So you concede there are mass graves. Good. We are making progress.

                  Jeff wrote: “Nope, sorry, you are wrong. Germans after the war: I saw nothing, I know nothing, I was always against the war and Hitler.”

                  “Only the suicidal Germans…”

                  “Beside a handful of symbolic & theatrical cases of big fish like Höess, Stangl & Franz, the safest and quickest road to freedom for a German defendant on ‘trial’ after the war was: Yes. We murdered X trillion Jews with my wife’s vacuum cleaner. Especially my colleagues Hans and Fritz. But I was just following the orders.”

                  You are somewhat right. Some of the Germans did say they did it (Eichman immediately comes to mind) but they were following orders. The safest course, Goering comes to mind, is to say “I had no idea the Fuehrer had such a crazy hard on for killing the Jews. The first time I heard of such a thing is right here.”

                  Jeff wrote: “I did demolish your post.”

                  “I see you’ve finally decided to listen to Dr. Coué’s pieces of advice. Good for you.”

                  That’s a bit obscure, please elaborate.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 29, 2016 @ 5:31 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Now, is that anyway to speak of one of the greatest German generals of WW II?”

                  Why not? Funnier than ‘perhaps he stole an apple,’ don’t you think?’

                  Jeff wrote: “You said acquited, not me.”

                  Yes, I should have immediately said ‘acquitted of all Holocaust-related charges.’ Mea culpa. That was so obvious I only wrote ‘acquitted.’ Stop quibbling about insignificant details. Only shows your desperation and the emptiness of your claims…

                  Jeff wrote: “So, reading one of your own posts bores the shit out of you?”

                  Joke…

                  Jeff wrote: “Maybe you should liven up your writing style.”

                  I can’t. I’m limited by my present knowledge of the English language.

                  Jeff wrote: “Oops, sorry. My mistake. How about this: Moral Combat, Michael Burleigh Page 252:
                  “In December of 1941, at Simferopol, the capital of the Crimea, the army supplied trucks, ammunition and 2320 soldiers, 55 gendarmes and 20 Secret Field Police to help Dr. Braune’s small Sonderkommando 11b kill thirteen thousand Jews, not least because food resources….were tight. The army also carried out..raids to winkle out Jews who..escaped..the first massacre. There is no way…,Manstein did not know what his officers…were doing.64…Ohlendorf threw a Winter Solstice party for his men and senior army guests…..Manstein’s staff officers gratefully received…gift of 120 watches….In fact, Manstein himself had asked for them.66
                  64. for the above see Oliver Von Wrochem, Erich Von Manstein. Vernichtungskrieg und Geschictspolitik (Paderborn, 2006) pp. 71-78
                  66. Wrochem, p. 78
                  There, now you have another source to look at plus the footnotes. You’re welcome.”

                  Thanks. Testimonial ‘evidence’ (as I guess this is what it is) is magic…

                  Jeff wrote: “Sorry, sometimes the handbook is boring to read. Oh, crap, I didn’t mean to say that.”
                  😉

                  Jeff wrote: “So you concede there are mass graves. Good. We are making progress.”

                  I only conceded your funniest utterance was in your previous comment. I hope you hadn’t already sabered Champagne.😉

                  Where’s the rest of my comment? Another quote travestied by a cunning cut. The Holohoaxster in you is trying to get out, it seems.

                  I never said there were no WW2 mass graves in Europe. Understanding this will perhaps prevent Holohoaxsters from ridiculing themselves once again with victory cries after the discovery of human remains proving not even a thousandth of their claims.

                  Jeff wrote: “You are somewhat right. Some of the Germans did say they did it (Eichman immediately comes to mind) but they were following orders. The safest course, Goering comes to mind, is to say “I had no idea the Fuehrer had such a crazy hard on for killing the Jews. The first time I heard of such a thing is right here.””

                  True. Even Goering was a ‘Holocaust denier,’ something Holohoaxsters don’t like admitting most of time.

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s a bit obscure, please elaborate.”

                  I meant your ‘I did demolish your post’ sounded like mantra-like conscious autosuggestion (the Coué method)…

                  Comment by hermie — May 30, 2016 @ 4:44 am

                • You wrote: “True. Even Goering was a ‘Holocaust denier,’ something Holohoaxsters don’t like admitting most of time.”
                  Goering was praised, among ethnic Germans in America, for his testimony at Nuremberg. I wrote about it on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/goering-testified-at-nuremberg-that-neither-he-nor-hitler-knew-nothing-about-the-mass-murder-in-the-concentration-camps/

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 30, 2016 @ 6:46 am

                • I guess Goering, like anyone accused of a crime or crimes, told the truth on the witness stand.
                  I guess our prisons are full of innocent people.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 30, 2016 @ 8:40 am

                • “Yes, I should have immediately said ‘acquitted of all Holocaust-related charges.’ Mea culpa. That was so obvious I only wrote ‘acquitted.’ Stop quibbling about insignificant details. Only shows your desperation and the emptiness of your claims…”

                  But I was just taking a page out of denier 101:
                  Fog up everything and focus on insignificant details in order to hide the fact that Holocaust denial is full of crap.
                  So, do I get my denier merit badge now?

                  “Thanks. Testimonial ‘evidence’ (as I guess this is what it is) is magic…”

                  More denier 101:
                  If you don’t have a rebuttal, say it’s all witness statements.
                  Personal Hermie touch:
                  Say it’s magic.
                  Why didn’t you throw in the part about witchcraft?

                  “I only conceded your funniest utterance was in your previous comment. I hope you hadn’t already sabered Champagne. ;-)”

                  Sabered champagne? WTF does that mean?

                  “Where’s the rest of my comment? Another quote travestied by a cunning cut. The Holohoaxster in you is trying to get out, it seems.”

                  Sorry, sometimes I cut out the irrelevant parts of your comment in order to save space.

                  “I never said there were no WW2 mass graves in Europe.”

                  See, I consider that progress. Good for you.

                  “Understanding this will perhaps prevent Holohoaxsters from ridiculing themselves once again with victory cries after the discovery of human remains proving not even a thousandth of their claims.”

                  Discovering human remains in places where the Einsatzgruppen and their collaborators shot Jews proves it happened.

                  Jeff wrote: “You are somewhat right. Some of the Germans did say they did it (Eichman immediately comes to mind) but they were following orders. The safest course, Goering comes to mind, is to say “I had no idea the Fuehrer had such a crazy hard on for killing the Jews. The first time I heard of such a thing is right here.””

                  “True. Even Goering was a ‘Holocaust denier,’ something Holohoaxsters don’t like admitting most of time.”

                  Saying “I didn’t know” is not Holocaust denial.
                  Naturally a man on trial for his life tells the absolute truth.
                  😂😂😂😂😂

                  Jeff wrote: “That’s a bit obscure, please elaborate.”

                  “I meant your ‘I did demolish your post’ sounded like mantra-like conscious autosuggestion (the Coué method)…”

                  Nothing of the sort. I proved you wrong. Deal with it.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 30, 2016 @ 8:35 am

                • Sorry to break up y’all’s sparing match,but I occurred to me,not all German military leaders were assholes like history would have us believe. I think that ol boys name was Joacum Pieper. He was a stand up guy. I can’t speak to the rest of the German commanders,because we weren’t there. We have to go on what history says (which is usually BS). We got the court records from Joacums trial. He told everyone in court,”you wanna put someone on for murder? Put me on trial. Leave my men outta this. They just did what I ordered them to do.” That’s a helluva lot better than what our military leaders would do. They order someone to do something. The minute it all goes to shit,they look to blame everyone but themselves . Lt. Calley. Village of My Lai. 1968. He did what he was ordered to do. The minute everything went to shit and the world found out,the higher ups took to stacking the deck against Calley. Kinda the same deal with Capt. McVey. The Indy was blown outta the water by two Niponese fish,from a Niponese sub and Capt. McVey was made responsible for the whole damned mess. The sub driver for the Nip u boat thank sunk the Indy,testified at Capt. McVeys trial. In so many words he told the court,”I don’t give a shit what Evasive actions McVey may or may not have taken,he was gonna go down”. That Nip said after his testimony,he couldn’t figure out why McVey was put on trial. There was nothing he could do to keep from being hit. Once again the higher ups put this man on trial,so they wouldn’t have to admit,”they f–ked up”.

                  Comment by Tim — May 30, 2016 @ 11:08 am

                • Tim wrote: “Yeah,I’m pretty sure the folks stood behind hitler when he made the country prosper again,but that don’t mean they supported him on the war.”

                  The folks supported Hitler on the war because they were told that it was a defensive war against ruthless enemies planning to deprive them of their new liberty and self-esteem or worse. You can understand the German mentality prevailing during WW2 only if you keep in mind that the Germans of that time hadn’t yet been fed with the victors’ BS about WW2. Do you really believe Dr. Goebbels and his guys sold WW2 to the German people with the 1945 victors’ world domination BS and so on? Do you believe only the Americans were told that they’re fighting for the survival of their way of life, the victory of their moral standards, and the preservation of everything dear to them? The Germans were told that too. No matter whether that was true or not. That was true in their brain at that specific time.

                  Tim wrote: “Some probably were ignorant on everything that was going on.”

                  What was going on? The things the victors and the state-sponsored storytellers (aka academic historians) told us about that?

                  Comment by hermie — May 30, 2016 @ 5:11 am

                • You wrote: “Do you believe only the Americans were told that they’re fighting for the survival of their way of life, the victory of their moral standards, and the preservation of everything dear to them? The Germans were told that too. No matter whether that was true or not. That was true in their brain at that specific time.”

                  You are exactly right! I was a small child during World War II. The percentage of ethnic Germans in America was much higher then than now. Ethnic German men and boys were not sent to Germany to fight; they were sent to Japan.

                  After the war, when I was in Germany, I visited some German relatives of mine in their homes. They had pictures of Hitler on the wall — behind a wall so that they could not be seen by visitors when the door was closed. Even after Germany lost the war, the German people were still praising Hitler.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 30, 2016 @ 6:33 am

                • I’ve always thought if WW2 on the Atlantic front never started,Stalin would’ve went tear assing around the region,snatching up everything. We wouldn’t have stood in his way. I always thought we should’ve told The Brits and the asshole French ,”sorry. The Japanese empire are the only people that pissed on our Post Toasties. If we were so damned concerned about the continent of Europe,we would’ve been there from day one. If we would’ve put all our man power and resources into the Pacific theater,there’d been a lot less lives lost. We may not have even had to drop the bomb. F–k that shit. Pop always told me growing up,”you fight your own battles. Don’t cry to anyone else to help you. It’s your problem. Not theirs”. Part that pisses me off,we were stupid enough to believe Stalin was on our side. Yeah. That’s why when one of Doolittles bombing crews landed in Russia,they were locked up like they were the enemy. Yeah I figured out long ago,we probably would’ve been better off on Germany’s side

                  Comment by Tim — May 30, 2016 @ 10:44 am

                • Furtherglory wrote: “Goering was praised, among ethnic Germans in America, for his testimony at Nuremberg. I wrote about it on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/goering-testified-at-nuremberg-that-neither-he-nor-hitler-knew-nothing-about-the-mass-murder-in-the-concentration-camps/

                  Unfortunately, Holohoaxsters’ sheeple just puts such things aside by saying ‘Uh, he only said that to save his neck.’ But when they’re showed a Nazi court canari who sang the song they’ve already heard on National Geographic Channel and TwHistory Channel, they just say ‘Finally the truth!’ and ‘The Holocaust was admitted by the Nazis themselves!!’ Yet a deep study of the postwar ‘trials’ of Germans shows that, apart for the Nazis the victors could absolutely not let out (i.e. big fish like Goering and exemplary cases like Hoess and Stangl), the safest and quickest way out of the victors’ gaols was the Speer stategy, i.e. the attitude of the repentant Nazi saying ‘I knew the Jews were mass murder and I was regrettably part of that, but I couldn’t stop it and I was just following the orders.’ In fact, Goering opted for the dangerous and risky way when he decided to deny any knowledge of the ‘Holocaust’ prior to Germany’s final defeat. In Goering’s case, that didn’t matter at all because he was anyway a fish much too big to be released or even not executed. But for smaller fish, the golden gate to freedom was the attitude of the repentant Nazi helping the victors to secure testimonial ‘evidence’ of their own claims, of their anti-German propaganga, through ‘confessions’ of anything the prosecuting victors wanted to hear. Some kind of bribery in fact. Sad so many people fail to understand that…

                  Comment by hermie — May 30, 2016 @ 7:48 am

                • Think about it……out of the twenty or so Germans that were put on trial during the Nuremberg trials half of them were executed immediately after conviction and the other half received long sentences.. Why was that? For the executed ones…they had to eliminate any trace of those who might come back later telling the truth.
                  So all the evidence is gone, no one to let the cat out of the bag later on. What type of court system would allow this to happen today?
                  If this happened today they would of been convicted and immediately an appeal would of been allowed and several years would of gone by before the end result of execution would of taken place. The Hoax had to be contained by eliminating the true evidence.

                  Think about Richard Baer the last commandant of Auschwitz….He was to be put on trial later but he mysteriously died before the trial….Hmmmm pretty suspicious….. was suicide….a strapping healthy man committing suicide or even dying of natural cases…not likely. He was going to be the last tie into what the truth was in Auschwitz…..what did he see? Nothing unusual, and that would of been a big problem for the HooHuxsters…So for all you Holhuxsters or believers here what do you think about that.
                  This is called a BIG coverup of the truth, but thats ok because you are more concerned with what you feel happened to the thousands of Jews that ended up nowhere when I’m more concerned with the liars and falsifiers of truth who cover up an event that they made up in the first place, to make the Germans look bad, to take the heat of the allies and the Soviets for the terrible war crimes that they perpetrated against the German people. The victors write the history and it will definitely cover up the truth of their short comings.

                  This to me this what the Holohoax is about, it’s not about documents that can be forged, it’s not about HoloHoax liars who tell wild stories that can’t even be duplicated today if they tried. It’s about an event that was turned around to make an innocent party the (Germans) look guilty so they (HoloHuxsters) could manipulate peoples minds and hearts for years to come to direct world affairs to benefit one group of people (Jews) so they could terrorize whoever they want and suck millions of dollars out of Countries that have been made to feel guilty over something that they had no guilt to be ashamed of in the first place. They were duped BIG time…and the Jews laugh all the way to the bank.

                  Jim Rizoli
                  CCFIILE.COM

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 30, 2016 @ 10:10 am

                • “Think about it……out of the twenty or so Germans that were put on trial during the Nuremberg trials half of them were executed immediately after conviction and the other half received long sentences..”

                  Actually it was more than that:
                  http://www.memorium-nuremberg.de/history/verdicts.html

                  “Why was that? For the executed ones…they had to eliminate any trace of those who might come back later telling the truth.”

                  You mean they couldn’t talk before they were hung?

                  “So all the evidence is gone, no one to let the cat out of the bag later on. What type of court system would allow this to happen today?”

                  Not all of the convicted died, Jim.
                  Speer and the others had ample opportunities to speak after they left prison.

                  “If this happened today they would of been convicted and immediately an appeal would of been allowed and several years would of gone by before the end result of execution would of taken place. The Hoax had to be contained by eliminating the true evidence.”

                  It was not today, it was 1946.
                  Deniers seem to think that the IMT was the only trial. There were many trials, the Einsatzgruppen Trials, the Doctors Trials, the trials the West Germans conducted in the 1960’s, Eichman’s Trial, so on.
                  Why bother with these trials if the whole thing was a hoax? Why go after guards and commanders that got away?

                  “Think about Richard Baer the last commandant of Auschwitz….He was to be put on trial later but he mysteriously died before the trial….Hmmmm pretty suspicious….. was suicide….a strapping healthy man committing suicide or even dying of natural cases…not likely.”

                  Again, why bother with him? He was living in obscurity and showed no signs of resurfacing.

                  “He was going to be the last tie into what the truth was in Auschwitz…..what did he see?”

                  Who knows?
                  He died.

                  “Nothing unusual, and that would of been a big problem for the HooHuxsters…So for all you Holhuxsters or believers here what do you think about that.”

                  Again, he died without giving testimony. You don’t know what he would have said, you are simply coloring this with your own agenda.

                  “This is called a BIG coverup of the truth, but thats ok because you are more concerned with what you feel happened to the thousands of Jews that ended up nowhere”

                  Deniers cry “Conspiracy!!! Forgeries!!!” When they have nothing else.
                  It wasn’t thousands it was millions. It was and is a big deal, Jim.

                  “when I’m more concerned with the liars and falsifiers of truth who cover up an event that they made up in the first place, to make the Germans look bad, to take the heat of the allies and the Soviets for the terrible war crimes that they perpetrated against the German people. The victors write the history and it will definitely cover up the truth of their short comings.”

                  Translation:
                  I don’t care about real history, I like to focus on irrelevant BS.

                  “This to me this what the Holohoax is about, it’s not about documents that can be forged, it’s not about HoloHoax liars who tell wild stories that can’t even be duplicated today if they tried. It’s about an event that was turned around to make an innocent party the (Germans) look guilty so they (HoloHuxsters) could manipulate peoples minds and hearts for years to come to direct world affairs to benefit one group of people (Jews) so they could terrorize whoever they want and suck millions of dollars out of Countries that have been made to feel guilty over something that they had no guilt to be ashamed of in the first place. They were duped BIG time…and the Jews laugh all the way to the bank.”

                  Boring denier ducking.
                  Deal with real history, Jim. Show my statement to your denier friends. Tell them I want an explanation.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 30, 2016 @ 10:54 am

                • Furtherglory wrote: “After the war, when I was in Germany, I visited some German relatives of mine in their homes. They had pictures of Hitler on the wall — behind a wall so that they could not be seen by visitors when the door was closed. Even after Germany lost the war, the German people were still praising Hitler.”

                  Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this story with us, FG.

                  Comment by hermie — May 30, 2016 @ 7:50 am

                • edit: “I knew the Jews were being mass murdered” instead of “I knew the Jews were mass murder”

                  Comment by hermie — May 30, 2016 @ 7:59 am

                • Jeff wrote: “I guess Goering, like anyone accused of a crime or crimes, told the truth on the witness stand.”

                  We both agree on that. Nazi testimonies/confessions prove nothing. Mere series of words without intrinsic probative value, like any testimony and confession.

                  Jeff wrote: “But I was just taking a page out of denier 101: Fog up everything and focus on insignificant details in order to hide the fact that Holocaust denial is full of crap. So, do I get my denier merit badge now?”

                  Yes, Professor Diesel Cross Section. Insignificant details…

                  Jeff wrote: “More denier 101: If you don’t have a rebuttal, say it’s all witness statements. Personal Hermie touch: Say it’s magic. Why didn’t you throw in the part about witchcraft?”

                  A copied-pasted paragraph from a book needs a rebuttal? If you want to debate a specific paragraph from a book, also bring the sources so that we can talk about a specific claim.

                  Because I keep witches for confessions.

                  Jeff wrote: “Sabered champagne? WTF does that mean?”

                  It means: to open a bottle of Champagne with a saber.

                  Jeff wrote: “See, I consider that progress. Good for you.”

                  No progress. Nothing new. You hadn’t got my stand. Now you have…

                  Jeff wrote: “Discovering human remains in places where the Einsatzgruppen and their collaborators shot Jews proves it happened.”

                  And discovering a lampshade at Buchenwald proves the Nazis manufactured thousands of human-skin lampshades, human-skin wallets, human-skin handbags, human-skin book covers, etc. Only in your dreams…

                  Jeff wrote: “Saying “I didn’t know” is not Holocaust denial.”

                  When you were the successor to Hitler during WW2, it is.

                  Unless you buy the obsolete theory that Himmler ordered and perpetrated the ‘Holocaust’ secretely behind Hitler & Goering’s back.

                  Jeff wrote: “Naturally a man on trial for his life tells the absolute truth. 😂😂😂😂😂”

                  He does it only when he ‘confesses’ the ‘Holocaust,’ doesn’t he?

                  Second admission that the testimonies of Nazis prove nothing. OK. Dully noted…😉

                  Jeff wrote: “Nothing of the sort. I proved you wrong. Deal with it.”

                  There is probably a psychiatric name for such imaginary victories…

                  Comment by hermie — May 30, 2016 @ 6:48 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “But I was just taking a page out of denier 101: Fog up everything and focus on insignificant details in order to hide the fact that Holocaust denial is full of crap. So, do I get my denier merit badge now?”

                  “Yes, Professor Diesel Cross Section. Insignificant details…”

                  Back at you, professor “the Germans only incarcerated foreign Jews on Soviet soil, Mattagono/Graf used a forged document to prove their point.”
                  Do you want to talk about Rudenko again? How about Kube’s order halting any further deportations of Polish Jews on July 31st, 1942?

                  Jeff wrote: “More denier 101: If you don’t have a rebuttal, say it’s all witness statements. Personal Hermie touch: Say it’s magic. Why didn’t you throw in the part about witchcraft?”

                  “A copied-pasted paragraph from a book needs a rebuttal?”

                  I’ll have you know I typed that from a book.

                  “If you want to debate a specific paragraph from a book, also bring the sources so that we can talk about a specific claim.”

                  You used Paget’s claim from a book. I can’t do the same?

                  “Because I keep witches for confessions.”

                  What do you keep references to the devil’s penis for……on second thought, never mind. I don’t want to know.

                  Jeff wrote: “Sabered champagne? WTF does that mean?”

                  “It means: to open a bottle of Champagne with a saber.”

                  Ok. I’m more of a beer person.

                  Jeff wrote: “See, I consider that progress. Good for you.”

                  “No progress. Nothing new. You hadn’t got my stand. Now you have…”

                  I really don’t have anything to say about this. I just didn’t want you to think I was selectively copying and pasting your statement.
                  I did leave out the bit about Goering at the top. We both agree that Goering’s innocent assertion is worthless.

                  Jeff wrote: “Discovering human remains in places where the Einsatzgruppen and their collaborators shot Jews proves it happened.”

                  “And discovering a lampshade at Buchenwald proves the Nazis manufactured thousands of human-skin lampshades, human-skin wallets, human-skin handbags, human-skin book covers, etc. Only in your dreams…”

                  What does that have to do with mass graves?
                  They are there. Period. They prove that the Einsatzgruppen and their collaborators shot Jews and others. These graves back the Einsatzgruppen Reports.
                  If you have evidence that says otherwise, show it to me.

                  Jeff wrote: “Saying “I didn’t know” is not Holocaust denial.”

                  “When you were the successor to Hitler during WW2, it is.”

                  Again, you are making the assumption that a man on trial for his life is telling the truth. Plus, this was an SS project. Goering specifically told Heydrich this:

                  http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/nuremberg/documents/index.php?documentdate=1945-00-00&documentid=C193-5-7&studycollectionid=&pagenumber=1

                  This effectively washed Goering’s hands of the matter.

                  “Unless you buy the obsolete theory that Himmler ordered and perpetrated the ‘Holocaust’ secretely behind Hitler & Goering’s back.”

                  No, I do not.
                  Hitler was busy with the war, Goering was busy with the Luftwaffe. They allowed Himmler to get on with it.

                  Jeff wrote: “Naturally a man on trial for his life tells the absolute truth. 😂😂😂😂😂”

                  “He does it only when he ‘confesses’ the ‘Holocaust,’ doesn’t he?”

                  No. A confession merely confirms the evidence.

                  “Second admission that the testimonies of Nazis prove nothing. OK. Dully noted… ;-)”

                  See above.

                  Jeff wrote: “Nothing of the sort. I proved you wrong. Deal with it.”

                  “There is probably a psychiatric name for such imaginary victories…”

                  I’ll admit to having a screw loose. Coming here and arguing with deniers proves this.
                  But, you, my friend, need serious psychiatric help for your persecution/conspiracy theory complex.
                  Just out of curiosity, still think I’m a Hasbara Jew?

                  Always leave’em with a smile, Hermie.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 30, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

            • Jeff, you need to take a Holocaust tour as soon as possible. I suggest that you start with Dachau, which is 10 miles from Munich. Munich is a great city to visit. If you can look at the Dachau gas chamber and still be a believer, then there is no hope for you.
              You can read about the Dachau gas chamber on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/Index.html

              Your next stop should be Sachsenhausen which is near Berlin. You can read about the gas chamber at Sachsenhausen on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Sachsenhausen/ConcentrationCamp/GasChamber.html

              I was a Holocaust believer until I saw the so-called gas chambers.

              Comment by furtherglory — May 24, 2016 @ 10:54 am

              • Why would those camps convince me of anything?

                They were not death camps. The Dachau gas chamber remains controversial, the possibility exists that it was never used or only used on an experimental basis.

                Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 11:08 am

                • You wrote: “Why would those camps [Dachau and Sachsenhausen] convince me of anything?”

                  Dachau and Sachsenhausen were called death camps until recently.

                  You wrote:”The Dachau gas chamber remains controversial, the possibility exists that it was never used or only used on an experimental basis.”

                  There is no possibility that the Dachau gas chamber could have been used on an experimental basis because it was a fully functioning shower room. However, if you go to Dachau today, you will be told that it was a fully functional gas chamber. If you deny this, you could be sent to prison for 5 years.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 24, 2016 @ 11:17 am

                • Like I mentioned in a previous post there were NO Homocidal gas chambers in any of the German camps on German soil but most people Holohucksters believe there were ….so who are you going to believe, real facts or the Holohucksters.
                  The good news is the Holohucksters stories are getting sillier and sillier as time goes on which provides a good element for laughter.
                  I guess they must have used laughing gas instead of ZB gas because the joke’s on us isn’t it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 11:39 am

                • “Like I mentioned in a previous post there were NO Homocidal gas chambers in any of the German camps on German soil”

                  But you admit to gas chambers in other places? Is that what you are saying?

                  “but most people Holohucksters believe there were ….so who are you going to believe, real facts or the Holohucksters.
                  The good news is the Holohucksters stories are getting sillier and sillier as time goes on which provides a good element for laughter.
                  I guess they must have used laughing gas instead of ZB gas because the joke’s on us isn’t it.”

                  What people believe or don’t believe is irrelevant. It means they need to read actual books on the Holocaust, not the crap that ignorant journalists or politicians spout out.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 12:08 pm

                • I wrote a blog post about real gas chambers that were used by the Nazis: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/is-there-any-proof-that-gas-chambers-existed-in-the-nazi-camps/

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 24, 2016 @ 11:23 am

          • I’m still waiting for a logical answer as to why holo laws exist. Every human being has the God given right about free speech and free thinking. I’ve found out when people dont want something questioned,it’s because they’re trying to hide something or they’re afraid they might be found out

            Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 11:28 am

            • Tim – free speech and “free thinking” are very different things; and free speech is defined in each country, as without governmentally-protected free speech and other freedoms and criminal codes, NO ONE would have free speech if anyone was allowed to kill or torture you for what you said with your “free speech.”
              However, Holocaust denial speech nearly always – not always, but nearly – is accompanied by hateful stereotypes, speech spreading hate, and direct or indirect threats or calls for violence. This page itself is an example of the accompaniment by hateful stereotypes and speech spreading hate. While obviously Holocaust denial itself is still protected in the US as free speech, any upstanding civilization should even then still disallow hateful speech that includes threatening speech or incites violence. The countries mentioned so often on this blog that have outlawed Holocaust denial appear to have chosen an easier way to prosecute such speech rather than deciding on the intent and effect of the speech. In some ways, yes, this is lazy; but in some ways it can be more efficient, as such a huge percentage of such speech is, again, accompanied by hateful speech that incites fear and/or violence that would be prosecuted under normal exceptions to free speech laws, which the U.S. does, in fact, have, as again any civilized nation should have.
              So, no, governments feeling guilty about past misdeeds who find it easier or more efficient to lump Holocaust denial in with the more general exceptions to free speech on inciting fear or violence do not equate to “trying to hide something or being afraid they might be found out.”

              Comment by Halli — May 24, 2016 @ 12:00 pm

              • No I was saying freedom of thought and speech is a “God given right “. If you have a problem with it,take it up with the ol man upstairs. You may not like the answer you get. This is why I question the holo laws. When people don’t want you questioning shit,it’s usually cause their hiding something. I hope nobody said the made holo laws so the Jews wouldn’t have their feelings hurt. Hurt feelings are a fact of life. They can’t accept that there’s going to people questioning it? Don’t skirt the issue or drag it out. Give me the definitive answer as to why the laws are in place. Countries define freedom of speech and thought. That’s just an excuse that sheep use. They don’t have balls enough to speak their mind. Furthermore the hebs are acting in a condescending way. They think they’re hot shit,because they tell people what to say and think. They can kiss my ass. No one tells me what I’ll think or say. They can try,but they won’t like my answer. I learned to hate lies when I was in Nam. First engagement I got into, we ended up with 3 NVA regulars and one dead VC. Our staff Sargent gave 11 dead for our body count. I told him he didn’t know how to add. You know what this jag off told me? “There’s 11 dead zips . It’s like that from now till the end of time. Don’t you question my ass again”. See how I’ve juxtaposed our body count fairy tale with the holo laws. Question either one,you may find some shit that don’t jive. I don’t buck what our first Sargent,because “his” version was the official one. I never said something didn’t happen to the hebs,but I ain’t gonna be played for a fool. Some of the shit they say,don’t add up. Like the saying goes,”f–k me once,shame on you. F–k me twice,shame on me”. I make it point to educate people before they think they can dupe me twice. Drop the holo laws. Tell the Jews to quit crying over the shit (welcome to the world. Nobodies loved and everybody gets f–ked). If they do those 2 things,I might think they have a point (I might also think they got balls too). Their time on earth is short like mine. Tell the hebs I’ll see them in hell

                Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

                • You clearly didn’t even read my comment, so I’m not going to repeat it. Go try actually reading it this time.

                  Comment by Halli — May 24, 2016 @ 2:06 pm

            • Tim wrote: “I’m still waiting for a logical answer as to why holo laws exist.”

              Because truth always needs to be protected from lies by means of muzzling laws.

              What?! Not logical???😉

              Tim wrote: “I’ve found out when people dont want something questioned,it’s because they’re trying to hide something or they’re afraid they might be found out”

              So listen to your life experiences and draw your own conclusions about the main topic debated on this blog…

              Comment by hermie — May 27, 2016 @ 4:34 pm

              • I do draw on the past. This shits starting to sound like the lies we were fed about Nam. I’m trying to remain neutral here,but shit pops up that makes it difficult. There’s people here that say the holo happened. Some of them make valid points,but for the most part,there’s too many loose ends. Right now I’m on a rant about the handling of zyklon . If the shit was so widely used. If it’s so lethal,why haven’t I heard anything like a company rep would visit the prisons with the gas houses and instruct the handlers of the chemical , the safe way to handle the chemical. This shit isn’t a can of Raid bug spray. This is hardcore shit. People are gonna have to be certified to use it. Why don’t we hear of anything like this?

                Comment by Tim — May 28, 2016 @ 8:51 am

                • Tim wrote: “Why don’t we hear of anything like this?”

                  Because the ‘evil Nazis’ supposedly tasked a company specialized in cremation (ovens) and funerary facilities (such as morgues) – i.e. Topf and Sons – instead of the German company specialized in poison gases and gas chambers – i.e. the German Corporation for Pest Control Degesch – with the design and construction of unprecedented big chemical slaughterhouses – i.e. their alleged homicidal gas chambers at Birkenau – for the implementation of the alleged largest mass murder in history. Nonsensical and laughable, I know…

                  Comment by hermie — May 30, 2016 @ 8:42 am

                • Once again,some of this shit don’t make sense. Yall said the wire across the glass,was to make sure the Jews didn’t bust the glass out. Okay. Once again back to the design. If these were gas houses and they were worried about Jews busting out windows,why not just put skylights on top the building? If you’re trying to get mondo numbers out when it comes to bumping Jews off,wouldn’t you want to design a building that could vent fast as possible? F–k the fans,put louvers on the roof. Minute your finished gassing,open the louvers and the doors. That shits gonna vent in no time. Also be cheaper than buying fans. You also gotta worry about maintainence on the fans. Another part that bugs me. The Germans were pretty efficient folks. With that being the case,why did they have to dick around with all these other designs for gassing? I don’t agree with using animals to experiment with,but don’t you think someone that was coming up with ways to gas on a large scale,would’ve thought to use animals before they put any single design into play. From what I’ve seen,they came up with some designs,only to realize at the last minute the shit ain’t gonna work. The way history records all this shit,it sounds like Beavis and Butthead were doing all the design research

                  Comment by Tim — May 30, 2016 @ 12:46 pm

                • It’s demonstrable,I wasn’t there. The pics I’ve seen of the ovens. Don’t really look like anything to write home about. Since we’re already putting a case on everyone and their dog,even for the littlest,seemingly unrelated actions in a homocide case,when are we gonna drag those fools into court? The ones that made the ovens. Dragging the guys into court that kept the books. Let’s drag the oven makers into court. For our swan song,we’re gonna put a case on God. Accessory to murder. What? He was out to lunch. He was playing golf. He saw all the shit that was going on and did nothing. I think most states would at least charge him with accessory after the fact. I probably wouldn’t be at the point where I’m starting to question a lot of this shit,if they’d just quit with all the BS cases. The first one to mind,the person that kept the books. When I did my time,there was someone at the pen that logged in my money and personal shit. I’m not wouldn’t say that person knew anything about the inner workings of the place. I’m sure this person wouldn’t have the first clue,as to how to work a cell extraction team. So why are they charging someone who keeps the books. I’m sorry,but some of this,is starting to sound spiteful. Nothing else. Von Braun. Did he not use Jews and other slave labor,to build his rockets? We let him slide though. He was gonna help us beat the ruskies to the moon. If everybody was so damned concerned with Justice ,then they should’ve put a case on him too. This is full of too many double standards . Proves the old adage,”it’s not who you know,but who you blow”.

                  Comment by Tim — June 2, 2016 @ 3:12 pm

                • Tim wrote: “Once again back to the design. If these were gas houses and they were worried about Jews busting out windows,why not just put skylights on top the building? If you’re trying to get mondo numbers out when it comes to bumping Jews off,wouldn’t you want to design a building that could vent fast as possible? F–k the fans,put louvers on the roof. Minute your finished gassing,open the louvers and the doors. That shits gonna vent in no time. Also be cheaper than buying fans. You also gotta worry about maintainence on the fans.”

                  Indeed, Tim. With a gas as light as hydrogen cyanide, the ventilation would have been very fast with skylights.

                  You know the worst in this story? There were skylights, it’s claimed. Remember the alleged Zyklon holes in the roof of those rooms? Sent a guy with a gas mask remove the [alleged] wooden lid obstructing the [alleged] Zyklon holes after each [alleged] gassing and your troubles with the reverse ventilation system is solved. But no Holohoaxster or ‘witness’ ever claimed the ventilation of the ‘gas chambers’ was performed that way.

                  Tim wrote: “Another part that bugs me. The Germans were pretty efficient folks. With that being the case,why did they have to dick around with all these other designs for gassing? I don’t agree with using animals to experiment with,but don’t you think someone that was coming up with ways to gas on a large scale,would’ve thought to use animals before they put any single design into play. From what I’ve seen,they came up with some designs,only to realize at the last minute the shit ain’t gonna work. The way history records all this shit,it sounds like Beavis and Butthead were doing all the design research”

                  According the the orthodox narrative, Rudolf Beavis and Franz Butthead performed a gassing experiment on Soviet POW’s at Auschwitz.

                  http://www.codoh.com/library/document/2251/

                  “it sounds like Beavis and Butthead were doing all the design research”

                  Others would rather say Homer Simpson, but Beavis & Butthead look like ideal candidates too…😉

                  https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=8196

                  Comment by hermie — May 31, 2016 @ 1:40 pm

                • You gave a link to a website which has this quote:

                  “The story of the Auschwitz gas chambers begins, notoriously, with the experimental gassing of approximately 850 individuals, which supposedly took place in the underground cells of Block 11 within the main camp on September 3, 1941.”

                  I don’t think that this alleged gassing ever happened. I wrote about the alleged gas chamber inside Block 11 on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz06B.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 31, 2016 @ 2:33 pm

                • It just goes back to the German military at the time. If they were tasked with carrying out this shit,they would’ve had a proven plan in place,before they started the shit. By history saying they tried a half a billion ideas out before they came up with a workable one,just don’t make good sense. I’ve seen where the overall military machine ran like it should. I’m not saying it was perfect. Nothing is. I can only juxtapose their military officers,with the ones I served under and around in Nam. The German officers left our officers in the dust. We had our officers doing everything the way they were taught at OCS. They couldn’t think out of the box,if their lives depended on it. I hear of the German officers taking “chances”. They didn’t always go by the book. That showed that they were capable of independent thought. Our officers in Nam acted like that was a sin. They got a lot of good men killed that way. So if the German military is capable of thinking outside the box and being efficient, why would they dick around with unproven methods when it came to the ways history said they eliminated large groups of people? I always come back to that Joacum Peiper fella. I’m not a fan of his ,because they did gun some of our boys down. I do admire him in the respect that he took care of his men. He’s gonna take the fall for everything. In so many words he told the court,” I don’t give a shit what you do to me. Just leave my men out of it. They were following orders”. I’ll give him credit for that. Hey we ain’t got clean faces ourselves . Uncle Shaw was with Operation Phoenix. A wonderful program bought to you by the loveable characters at the CIA. By the time I got to Nam,Uncle Shaw had been dead for a couple years. Basically when VC were caught,they were turned over to Spec Forces and CIA. They’d interrogate them. When they got what they needed out of them,they usually disappeared . I got an 8 x 10 b&w picture somewhere around here dad gave me. Uncle Shaw,a CIA man and a couple south Vietnamese dinks with some VC on the ground blind folded and tied up. Dad got it from Uncle Shaw and he gave it to me a couple years back. I’m sure you can figure out the fate of the VC prisoner. Bad shit happens in every war. Something probably happened with the Jews,but I’m not really buying into it happening on the massive scale,history said it did. Like I say,there’s too much shit that don’t hold water. I used Beavis and Butthead. If something ever pops up for discussion about Los Alamos Labs and the Manhattan Project,I’ll use Homer Simpson there. I’m sure you can see the connection there. Homer worked at a Nuke power plant. I’m still waiting on the Jews to nail Cartman on Southpark. He’s always doggin Kyle for being a Jew

                  Comment by Tim — May 31, 2016 @ 5:19 pm

                • The military didn’t do this, Tim. It was the SS that ran the concentration and death camps.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 31, 2016 @ 5:33 pm

                • Jeff you are sooooooo wrong..
                  You lean something here.

                  Facts
                  Auschwitz was an enormous work camp at the confluence of several rivers and had been chosen by the senior SS establishment as a site for factories. It initially occupied the barracks of a former Imperial Austrian artillery unit, later taken over by the Poles.

                  There was an extensive and very important artificial rubber (Buna) factory and a large system designed to manufacture gasoline out of coal, that resource being plentiful in the region.

                  After the introduction of Soviet prisoners of war post June, 1941, terrible outbreaks of typhus occurred in Auschwitz and the death tolls were enormous.

                  Because the SS rented their prisoners out to over a hundred small German firms, it was imperative for them to take steps to halt this typhus epidemic. This was never completely accomplished and inmates transferred from Auschwitz to other camps merely spread the disease.

                  Rumors were begun in 1942-1943 by British intelligence, that “many thousands” of Jewish prisoners were being gassed in huge “gas chambers” and their bodies burnt.

                  It is entirely true that any prisoner in German custody, be them political prisoners, professional criminals or Jews, were cremated upon their death and, at least in the beginning, their ashes sent to their families. During the war this was not possible and ashes were merely dumped into a nearby river. It is important to note that it was absolutely vital to cremate the infected corpses of the many typhus victims and this may well have been the origin of the gas chamber/cremation story now being put about by Soviet propagandists.

                  Plans of the Auschwitz camp exist and it can be said categorically that no gas chambers for the killing of any prisoners existed in the camp. What did exist were rather small delousing chambers to kill the lice carrying typhus that could be found in the clothing of newly-arrived Polish and Russian prisoners.

                  Inmate clothing was confiscated and shipped to Germany as raw material and each inmate was issued clean prison garb. Also, the heads of all arriving prisoners were shaved to prevent the spread of body lice and all inmates were subject to showers with medicated soap whose purpose was to kill any lice remaining on the body.

                  Now, DDT is used for this purpose but this compound did not exist in Germany at the time. Apparently the soap was not entirely effective and permitted the spread of typhus in the camps.

                  Political Analysis

                  The Soviets are deeply concerned with the U.S. use, and intended use, of former German military and security personnel. In order to counter what they see as a potential threat from their former, bitter enemies, they have embarked on a campaign very similar to ones used by British propagandists in the 1914-1918. The similarities are quite remarkable all in all, Then, the German were accused of raping nuns, cutting off their hands, throwing babies up into the air and catching them on bayonets and other fabrications.

                  Much of this was taken, in toto, from reports on Belgian atrocities in the Congo some time before.

                  The British also introduced the story about turning human bodies into soap by rendering their fat. This same story became prevalent during their anti-German campaigns during the late conflict.

                  It is interesting to note that there is a considerable body of evidence that the British authorities utilized the services of GLÜCKS in setting up British detention centers in Palestine during their on-going war with Zionist terrorist groups prior to the creation of the current state of Israel.

                  There is no effective way of dealing with this anti-German propaganda. It is considered unproductive to make any attempt at refutation of the growing legends because the world-wide Jewish community is now supporting and exploiting the Soviet propaganda and are obviously utilizing it for their own ends.

                  Since a significant number of former German SS and SD personnel are now employed by American intelligence, it is recommended that any material concerning the use of these individuals be strictly limited in its dissemination and that any records now extant be accorded the greatest security protection.

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 31, 2016 @ 5:56 pm

                • You said something about ,”turning coal into fuel”. What’s the skinny on that ? I heard Germany had a hard time getting the fuel they needed,so they produced synthetic fuel. Is that what the historians were referencing ? What about the equipment the coal fuel powered. Did they have to make any changes there ? Kinda like you can run a vehicle on rot gut shine,but it will scar the insides of the motor pretty bad. Did anything like that occur with the coal fuel?

                  Comment by Tim — May 31, 2016 @ 6:17 pm

                • Tim…. as far as I understand it the Buna Factory was set up to make synthetic fuel and rubber but I don’t think it ever got to the point of making synthetic fuel. There’s a whole story about the rubber story which is pretty interesting and has to do with the rubber plants that the Germans were getting from somewhere. The fact was they we’re low on rubber and couldn’t get rubber so they were trying to make synthetic rubber but again I don’t think they ever really got to that point.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 31, 2016 @ 6:23 pm

                • The Germans and Niponese were both on the same side . Japan had done rolled up on Nam. From what I’ve heard,there were a lot of rubber plantations in Nam. How come the Krauts never tried to get something going with the Japs,so Germany would’ve been less strained for rubber? I know Japan was having their own problems,but if the Nips shared some if the rubber with Germany ,wouldn’t that have been a good situation for both of them?

                  Comment by Tim — May 31, 2016 @ 6:36 pm

                • The Japanese couldn’t supply the Germans, Tim. There was too much distance between them and the British controlled the oceans. Most of Germany’s raw materials came from the USSR (pre-invasion, of course).

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 31, 2016 @ 7:28 pm

                • Jeff….. this is the website that I got that quote from

                  http://www.crow96.20m.com/

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 31, 2016 @ 7:31 pm

                • The website was entertaining but it didn’t have nice things to say about David Irving.
                  It’s transport lists for Auschwitz were off.
                  By a lot.

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/topic/1806/Deportations-to-Auschwitz-1942-to-1944-Long-Form

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 31, 2016 @ 7:48 pm

                • David Irving has fallen from Grace from a lot of the revisionist.
                  He seems to be selling his soul to the devil but then again he really never was a true blue Revisionist.
                  But he has done a lot of good for the movement

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 31, 2016 @ 7:51 pm

                • http://www.zchor.org/hungaria

                  More lists regarding transport trains.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 31, 2016 @ 7:53 pm

                • It was probably the Buna camp at Auschwitz that didn’t get up to speed on producing it but as a whole it seems like Germany was producing synthetic Rubber in other plants.

                  JR

                  http://www.icis.com/resources/news/2008/05/12/9122056/history-of-the-synthetic-rubber-industry/

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 31, 2016 @ 6:32 pm

                • You are kind of right, Jim.
                  Auschwitz-Birkenau-Monowitz was a work camp/concentration/death camp.

                  Monowitz was a work camp, but Birkenau started as a POW camp for Red Army prisoners.
                  Auschwitz I was the original concentration camp.

                  The rest of what you said….what denier book did that come from?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 31, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

                • I know the SS were hitlers bodyguards ( I still can’t figure that one out. I mean that’s a lot of people to be bodyguards),but didn’t they fall into the military category,or were they more along the lines of the waste case agency we call the CIA?

                  Comment by Tim — May 31, 2016 @ 6:09 pm

                • The SS did not run the internal affairs in the camps the camps were set up with the inmates that were in those camps to run them. The SS would be out of their mind to put themselves in the middle of these people so that’s why they got the inmates to run the camps. There was a whole hierarchy of camp command amongst the prisoners.
                  If the prisoners couldn’t run themselves or there was a problem then the SS might get involved but I’m sure it didn’t happen often.
                  If there were any Jews killed in any of these camps they were probably killed by their fellow inmates….Capo’s who ran the camps.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 31, 2016 @ 6:16 pm

                • That makes perfect sense. Sounds almost identical when I pulled time way back when. We had “building tenders” ( officially they don’t exist anymore in the Texas penal system. (Yeah right. Whatever). Everything was resolved through them. They had a good relationship with the screws. As long as it never went to far,the building tender would “educate” a convict if they got outta line. You might say the screws were the overlords. The building tenders answered only to the screws. I always used to tell people,”you want respect? Call out the building tender “. Yeah the person would’ve gotten beat down good,but the other inmates would respect him. So that makes perfect sense the way you said the Germans would take the more respected Jews and let them work out their own system for running the prison.

                  Comment by Tim — May 31, 2016 @ 6:30 pm

                • “The SS did not run the internal affairs in the camps the camps were set up with the inmates that were in those camps to run them. The SS would be out of their mind to put themselves in the middle of these people so that’s why they got the inmates to run the camps. There was a whole hierarchy of camp command amongst the prisoners.
                  If the prisoners couldn’t run themselves or there was a problem then the SS might get involved but I’m sure it didn’t happen often.
                  If there were any Jews killed in any of these camps they were probably killed by their fellow inmates….Capo’s who ran the camps.”

                  Jim, where did you get the above information?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 1, 2016 @ 10:11 am

                • You wrote: “Jim, where did you get the above information?”

                  The information that Jim wrote is well known. I wrote about it on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/how-many-jews-were-slaughtered-in-the-dachau-death-camp/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 1, 2016 @ 11:08 am

                • “I know the SS were hitlers bodyguards ( I still can’t figure that one out. I mean that’s a lot of people to be bodyguards)”

                  The SS started as an elite group of bodyguards, Tim. They grew into a much larger force.

                  “but didn’t they fall into the military category,or were they more along the lines of the waste case agency we call the CIA?”

                  All of the above.
                  The Waffen-SS was the military arm, the Death’s Head Units ran and guarded the camps, the SD was the intelligence arm.

                  http://www.britannica.com/topic/SS

                  I guess the SS nearest analog was the NKVD, the major difference being the NKVD’s subordination to the party and the lack of a true military force. In many ways the SS operated as a state within a state, in some ways a rival to the Nazi Party, though Himmler always subordinated himself to Hitler.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 31, 2016 @ 7:25 pm

                • The SS were the ones that had issues with the “Brown Shirts”,right . Rohem (I think that’s his name) that fat boy. Wasn’t he the head man for the brown shirts? I heard he was gay. The SS were given the contract to take him out,correct ? His number came up during the “night of the long knives”,correct. I’ve heard 2 different reasons why they rubbed him out. The first one,he was gay. The second reason,he was a threat to the nazis. Although they both are good reasons( from hitlers point of view,being gay was reason enough( Myself,I don’t care if someone’s gay. Stay on your side of the street,I’ll stay on mine). I’m still trying to figure out how they could be a threat to the nazis. Those ol boys at the SS seem to be “all business”. If they were the ones that got the contract for Rohem,I’m sure their attitude was,”this is nothing personal. Us killing you,is just business”. I’m trying to figure out how the brown would’ve been a threat to the nazis. They seem more like a bunch of rednecks that would go out and get drunk. Once their liquored up enough,they’d go look for a fight. The SS on the other hand. They seemed like they were wrapped so tight,it would take a tractor to pull a pin outta their ass. So why worry about the Browns. It don’t seem like they’d actually be stupid enough to try and move on anybody,if the SS were around.

                  Comment by Tim — June 1, 2016 @ 5:05 am

                • Okay I ran across something on the web. The site is renew America . Com. They were talking about a book called,”pink swastika”. They were talking about how Rohem liked little boys . They said something else in this article. They mentioned Rohem and his compadres destroyed the “sex research institute” in Berlin. It said the institute had on record “40,000 confessions of nazi party members”. Since those were “confessions”,I’ll take it with a grain of salt. When I see the word,confession,there was a tail twister taking the confession. The article went on to say,the nazi party was started at a gay bar. Well known one at that. Once again,I’ll take it with a grain of salt . I saw a different article on this site talking about Martin Luther and the Jews . Everyone wants to drop on hitler. Clearly Martin Luther was the original antisemite. He wrote a book called,”on Jews and their lies”. This ol boy was calling for,death,dismemberment,expulsion,torture,etc. He first said ,”burn down their synagogues. If someone could throw in hellfire,that would be good too.” He goes on to say,”take their prayer books. On the pain of death,forbid them to cry to God”. He went on with a bunch of other shit. So have the Hebs forgotten just how big of an asshole Martin Luther was. Why don’t the Jews have a mock trial,with Martin Luther as the defendent. This guy seems like he wrote the book on “50 ways to f–k the jew. Oddly enough,the first time I heard of Martin Luther,it was something I looked up about about Torquemada in the encyclopedia ( the dark ages before the Internet ). I was watching “history of the world part 1”. Mel Brooks. Hands down,funniest jew ever. Nobody in Hollywood today,can hold a candle to him

                  Comment by Tim — June 1, 2016 @ 2:29 pm

                • “The Pink Swastika” is completely discredited, Tim. I wouldn’t waste your time.
                  Roehm was gay but there is nothing to indicate he was a pedophile.
                  Before coming to power Hitler was very tolerant of the various vices and issues among his supporters. His main concern was how each person could assist him, not their various peccadilloes. Even after his rise to power Hitler remained fairly loyal, even to Julius Streicher, a very vile man. He allowed Goering, a morphine addict, to head the Luftwaffe.
                  Roehm’s homosexuality, along with other SA members, only became a problem (and an excuse) when Hitler decided they were a liability.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 1, 2016 @ 2:44 pm

                • Tim wrote: “It just goes back to the German military at the time. If they were tasked with carrying out this shit,they would’ve had a proven plan in place,before they started the shit. By history saying they tried a half a billion ideas out before they came up with a workable one,just don’t make good sense. I’ve seen where the overall military machine ran like it should. ”

                  True, Tim. Makes no sense. Especially when you know that the Germans already had efficient delousing gas chambers (http://longstreet.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83542d51e69e20128765d857b970c-pi), almost limitless amounts of wasted deadly carbon monoxide at Auschwitz (a byproduct of the making of synthetic fuels), and 500,000 vehicles running on ‘wood gas’ (emitting a lot of carbon monoxide) at their disposal when they allegedly decided to gas millions of Jews to death…

                  Tim wrote: “I always come back to that Joacum Peiper fella. I’m not a fan of his ,because they did gun some of our boys down. I do admire him in the respect that he took care of his men. He’s gonna take the fall for everything. In so many words he told the court,” I don’t give a shit what you do to me. Just leave my men out of it. They were following orders”. I’ll give him credit for that.”

                  Since you’re interested in Jochen/Joachim Peiper, you’ll probably be interested in knowing that a Belgian historian named Gerd J. Gust Cuppens wrote that the Malmedy massacre came as a result of confusion and turmoil when some US POWs tried to escape rather than as a result of a deliberate execution. Gerd Cuppens wrote that a dozen American soldiers testified they had heard an American officer at the back of the convoy shout “Stand fast!” shortly before the massacre, something senseless if nobody was escaping. According to Mr. Cuppens, as the American officer’s order was ineffective, a German soldier standing on a Schützenpanzerwagen shot one or two bullets in the air, and the US POWs, who hadn’t seen the escape attempt taking place behind themselves, panicked and several ones ran away. The incident quickly degenerated into a massacre.

                  http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.be/2011/10/more-nazi-confession-via-torture.html?zx=d85c442a370804fb

                  Comment by hermie — June 2, 2016 @ 7:11 am

          • JR – “show that it’s not right?” Evidence of the Holocaust has been shown, documented, exhibited, and confirmed time and time again. It’s people like you that can’t accept it, apparently because you weren’t there, and because you think that there is some motive for making up such atrocities. “Debate” does not work when one side is predispositioned to disbelieve either eyewitness accounts or scientific or historical evidence presented to them, and to stereotype an entire race of people and insist that “99% of what” they say are “lies.”

            Comment by Halli — May 24, 2016 @ 11:46 am

            • Hali… nice to see a whole lot of stuff come into the conversation here’s the deal with all your information with all the documents with the all the eyewitness testimony please show me a real picture of a homicidal gas chamber that was used to kill people. And then show me the people that were killed in this homicidal gas chamber forensically tested to prove that they were killed there.
              This isn’t about hate it’s about truth you might want to look up the definitions of both.

              JR
              How do you feel about these “eyewitnessess?
              Holohoax lies

              The below rubbish is so patently untrue, yet if one was to declare, in
              Germany, one did not believe it, one would be hurled in the slammer

              – “eyewitness” Wiernik claimed:
              1200 people fit into a 7 X 7 m gas chamber, bodies of women were used for kindling, bodies burned on their own once lit, he saw a naked Jewish girl jump a 3m (9 ft.) high fence & shoot two guards, that 900,000 Jews were gassed..buried..exhumed..cremated & all traces disappeared, a Russian diesel tank engine was used for gassings. Wiernik also claimed he saw a naked Jewish girl leap over a three-meter (9 ft.) high barbed wire fence, wrench the rifle out of the hands of a pursuing guard, shoot two other guards before she was overpowered.

              – in court, 3/46, Charles Bendel said groups of 1000 Jews where killed with Zyklon-B in a room measuring 10 meters long by 4 meters wide by 1.6 meters high. When asked, how 1000 people can possibly fit in to a room of 64 square meters, he answered, with ‘the German method’.

              – Bendel testified that 1 million were gassed at Birkenau from January 1, 1944 to Jan 18, 1945. The latest number (which has changed constantly), now says 1.25 million were gassed for the entire duration of the war. They also say the alleged gassings ceased 11/44. Once again, they can’t keep their lies straight

              – An “eyewitness” stated that the alleged poison gas had a delayed action, it allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves – from: Repts. of the Polish Underground, Archiv der Polnischen Vereinigten Arbeiterpartei, 202/III,v.7,pp.120f.,quoted in: P. Longerich, op. cit.(note 271), p. 438.

              – So called ‘eyewitness’ Daniel Bennahmias claimed the alleged gas chambers walls were PAINTED after each gassing. Well, even if true, that would simply ‘lock in’ the HCN in the mortar and concrete. There is no significant cyanide residue to be found which would indicate mass gassings as alleged. He also claims that he was one of the alleged ‘sonderkommandos’; they were supposedly in charge of moving bodies from the alleged gas chambers. The story goes that all sonderkommandos were murdered in order to silence them. Peculiar, Daniel Bennahmias was not killed and was in fact given a choice of staying in Auschwitz to await the ‘liberating’ Soviets, or to leave with the SS in retreat; he chose to go with the SS.

              – According to Alexander Pechersky, gassings at Sobibor took place via a black heavy substance which exited in spirals from holes in the roof. Then the floor of the gas chamber opened up, and the bodies fell directly into wagons placed in the basement.

              – Filip Mueller, whose laughable beststeller “Sonderbehandlung” Raul Hilberg quotes no less than 20 times as a source in his standard work about the “Holocaust” – described how he ate cake in a cyanide-saturated gas chamber

              – Former inmate, Moshe Peer, recalled a miraculous escape from death as an eleven-year-old in the camp. In a 1993 interview with a Canadian newspaper, the French-born Peer claimed that he “was sent to the camp gas chamber at least six times…maybe children resist better, I don’t know.” Gazette, Montreal, Canada, August 5, 1993

              – The vacuum chamber…former Treblinka prisoner Samuel Rajzman testified that during the time he was in Treblinka, Jews were “suffocated to death” there with a machine that pumped air out of death chambers. {Rajzman text in: Yuri Suhl, ed., They Fought Back (New York: 1967), p. 130.}

              – ‘eyewitness’ Arnold Friedman’s stated that he (and four others at the same time) ‘survived’ by breathing through a keyhole in the ‘gas chamber’ door at FLOSSENBERG.

              – Ada Bimko (now Hadassah Rosensaft of the Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington DC): she testified to being shown by an SS officer the huge cylinders of gas in a room above the gas chamber!

              – Auschwitz inmate, Regina Bialek stated: I was made to undress and taken by lorry to a gas chamber. There were seven gas chambers at Auschwitz. This particular one was underground and the lorry was able to run down the slope and straight into the chamber. Here we were tipped unceremoniously on the floor. The room was about 12 yards square and small lights on the wall dimly illuminated it. When the room was full a hissing sound was heard coming from the centre point on the floor and gas came into the room. After what seemed about ten minutes some of the victims began to bite their hands and foam at the mouth, and blood issued from their ears, eyes and mouth, and their faces went blue. I suffered from all these symptoms, together with a tight feeling at the throat. I was half conscious when my number was called out by Dr. Mengele and I was led from the chamber. I attribute my escape to the fact that the daughter of a friend of mine who was an Aryan and a doctor at Auschwitz had seen me being transported to the chamber and had told her mother, who immediately appealed to Dr. Mengele.

              – In the book, ‘Lest We Forget’, it describes how Jews were steamed to death, and provides a diagram showing the location of the purported boiler room that produced the live steam. – ‘Lest We Forget’, World Jewish Congress (New York: 1943), pp.4, 6-7.

              – The Polish govt. “conclusively proved” the Germans operated steam death chambers. They carried out “an on site, expert examination of the steam chambers,” submitting an “expert report” to the Nuremberg Tribunal.- Nuremberg Trial Document 3311-PS, IMT “blue series”/1947-1949), vol.32, pp.152-158

              – Here’s more real ‘evidence’ – Killing in vacuum chamber, with steam, or chlorine gas —–from: W. Grossmann, Die Hölle von Treblinka, Verlag für fremdsprachige Literatur, Moscow 1947; The Black Book of Polish Jewry, Roy Publishers, New York 1943.

              – “There was a blue haze after gassing with hydrocyanic acid” (which is colorless) – R. Böck, Frankfurt Public Prosecutor’s Office, Ref. 4 Js 444/59, pp. 6881f.

              – “In retreat the stationary gas chambers in the eastern part of the camp were restructured, even little turrets and other architectural embellishments were added so that they would look like innocent garages.” – ‘The Factory of Death at Auschwitz’ Boris Polevoi, Pravda, 1945

              – Communist Jew, Bruno Baum, himself a member of the ‘partisans’, boasted after the war: “The entire propaganda which started abroad, was made by us with the help of our Polish mates.” – Bruno Baum, »Wir funken aus der Hölle« in Deutsche Volkszeitung – Zentralorgan der KPD, Berlin 31.7.1945.; cf. B. Baum

              – Elan Steinberg, Executive Director of the World Jewish Congress when discussing accusations of atrocities against Germans: “The problem is, when you investigate something as serious as this, you can not rely on eyewitnesses who, even with the best of intentions, with the best of intentions, can give you misleading information”.

              – David Greenburg, reviewing the memoirs of John Toland in the NY Times Book
              Review- 10-19-97:
              “It is not necessary to wonder how, technically, such mass murder was possible. It was technically possible because it took place.” “It is fitting for us to simply repeat this truth: there is not and cannot be any debate on the existence of the gas chambers.”

              – “.It is not necessary to ask oneself how, technically, such a mass murder was possible. It was technically possible since it took place. Such is the point of departure required of any historical enquiry on the subject. This truth obliges us to state quite simply: there is not, there cannot be, any debate on the existence of the gas chambers.” – from a declaration, published in Le Monde, feb 21, 1979. Written by Pierre Vidal-Naquet and Léon Poliakov. And signed by 34 “historians”

              The “Steam and Electrocution Death Chambers at Treblinka
              Steam chambers for delousing clothing at Birkenau
              “The Holohoaxers couldn’t get their Treblinka “death camp” tale straight at first, with
              conflicting “eyewitness” stories of “extermination” of Jews by gas and steam chambers. The
              steam chamber fairy tale has [since] been abandoned, and now Jewry has settled on gas with bug
              spray.”
              source: The Library of Congress , Volume 5 , DOCUMENT 3311-PS, from the International Military Tribunal at Nurnberg, Germany.

              The following is a “Collection of Documentary Evidence and Guide Materials
              Prepared by the American and British Prosecuting Staffs for Presentation
              before the International Military Tribunal at Nurnberg, Germany.” It is

              recorded in an eight- volume, 12-book series, known as “Nazi Conspiracy and
              Aggression” , also known as “The Red Series.”

              From Volume 5 , DOCUMENT 3311-PS, we find the following on the “steam
              chambers” and “electrocution chambers” allegedly at Treblinka:

              COPY OF DOCUMENT 331 1-PS

              CHARGE No. 6

              [Seal of Main Commission for the Investigation of German
              Crimes in Poland]

              In accordance with article 6 of the Charter the Poish
              Government indicts Dr. Hans Frank, Governor General of
              Poland, of the following crime:

              The German authorities acting under the authority of
              Governor General Dr. Hans Frank established in March
              1942 the extermination-camp at Treblinka, intended for
              mass killing of Jews by suffocating them in steam-filled
              chambers.

              Particulars of the alleged Crime

              In 1940 the German authorities established in the village 01
              Treblinka. near Malkinia close to the railway-line Warsaw –
              Bialystok, a concentration camp for Poles who refused to
              deliver contingents of agricultural products ordered by the
              German administrative authorities. In November 1941, the
              District Governor of Warsaw, Dr. FISCHER, proclaimed this
              camp as a general concentration camp for the whole district
              of Warsaw and ordered all Poles to be deported there who
              some way or other contravened against the orders or
              prohibitions of the German authorities. Later on this camp
              was named “Treblinka A”.

              In March 1942, the Germans began to erect another camp
              “Treblinka B”, /in the neighbourhood of “Treblinka A7,
              intended to become a place of torment for Jews.

              The erection of this camp was closely connected with the
              German plans aiming at a complete destruction of the
              Jewish population in Poland which necessitated the
              creation of a machinery by means of which the Polish Jews
              could be killed in large numbers. Late in April 1942, the
              erection of the first three chambers was finished in which
              these general massacres were to be performed by
              means of steam. Somewhat later the erection of the real
              “deathbuilding” was finished which contains ten death
              chambers. It was opened for wholesale murders early in
              autumn 1942.

              It may be mentioned here that there were several phases in
              the development of the persecution of the Jews in Poland.
              During the first period until October 1940, the Germans were
              aiming only at the moral degradation and complete
              pauperisation of the Jews by all kinds of restrictions of their
              rights, by the confiscation of their property etc., but later on
              they turned to their gradual annihilation and destruction as a
              nation. This change of policy is apparent in their treatment of
              the ghettos, first they had only to isolate the Jews from the
              Aryans but later on they were the ghettos, the very means of
              the physical annihilation of the Jews.

              Healthier and stronger Jews were deported for forced labor
              while those who remained in the Ghettos were decimated by
              starvation and epidemics [both of which were exacerbated
              by Allied bombing]. As these methods did not produce the
              desired results more drastic measures were adopted.
              Wholesale massacres were organized in the Ghettos and,
              finally, a complete annihilation of the ghettos was decided
              upon [evidence?].

              The Jews had simply ceased to exist (sic). Special camps
              were established for this purpose where the destruction of
              human lives was carried on by mechanized means. The best
              known of these death camps are those of Treblinka, Belzec
              and Sobiber in the Lublin district. In these camps the Jews
              were put to death in their thousands by hitherto unknown,
              new methods, gas and steam chambers as well as
              electric current employed on a large scale, [“gas” is
              mentioned, but implied to be a “hitherto unknown method”,
              never specified other than steam, and never mentioned
              again] The Victims were recruited chiefly from the General
              Government, and particularly from the following districts:
              Warsaw, Radom, Lublin, Krakow and Lwow, but Jews from
              outside the General Government were also sent there,
              particularly from, the Bialystok district where the Ghettos
              were maintained for a long time and where in the summer
              months of 1943 about 10,000 Jews were rounded up and
              transported to Treblinka for extermination [note the tiny
              number in comparison to later versions of the extermination
              theory].

              The main part of the “work” was done in summer and
              autumn 1942. Winter 1942 and the year 1943 were used for
              “mopping up operations”, i.e. for the extermination of those who managed to dodge the main round-up and, of those
              younger Jews who were employed in war industry [Thus hypothecating the foolish destruction of a vital war asset,
              when it was needed most! Compare this to the real plans for
              construction of bomb shelters for every detainee at Auschwitz.]. To indulge in their lust for destruction the
              Germans did not hesitate to put to death even those younger
              Jews although their man-power was badly needed and their
              loss – as admitted by the Germans themselves [where?] –
              was a serious handicap for the war effort.

              The Camp B of Treblinka is situated in hilly, wooded country
              It covered an area of about 5.000 ha (18 sq. miles) and was
              fenced off by hedges [later found to be untrue] and barbed wire. It is bordered in the north by a young forest, in the west
              by a railway embankment while low hills shut it off from the
              East and South. There are several observation posts in the
              camp for the camp guard (Lagerschutz) as well as searchlights used for securing the camp during the hours of
              darkness. A side track leads from the main railway track on
              to a loading platform adjoining a large open place fenced off
              by barbed wire, where several thousands persons can be
              accommodated at the same time. To the north stands a
              large barrack and in the south-western corner an observation post. The place to the south of the barbed wire
              fence was used for sorting out pieces of clothes of the victims which were fit for further use (Lumpen-
              sortierungsplatz) [forgetting that the most important purpose
              for this collection was ridding the incoming clothing of deadly
              typhus-bearing lice]. Further to the south is the place of execution and a mass grave [though today the ‘mass grave’
              is non-existent]. A gate opens from the place to a road leading to the buildings and one of them is divided by a
              narrow corridor into two parts and measures approx. 40 yards by 25 yards. On each side of the corridor are
              situated five chambers whose height is about 6 and a half feet. There are no windows. The doors can be shut
              hermetically.

              The second building consists of three chambers and a boilerroom. The steam generated in the boilers is led by
              means of pipes to the chambers. There are terracota Floors which become very slippery when wet [same as those
              popular in patios and kitchens today]. Along the southern wall of the building runs a long platform where the bodies of
              the victims were piled up after execution [evidence?]. A well is situated near the boiler-room [last thing you would want
              near piles of dead bodies].

              Behind this building and separated from the rest of the camp
              [only] by barbed wire stands a barrack and a kitchen destined for the grave diggers [so they can hear the screams
              of the people being “steamed” to death at night and while they cook – diabolical]. On both sides of these buildings are
              situated observation posts. As the executions grew in numbers, mass graves were dug out by motor driven
              machines [why not say “tractors”?] and not by hand and shovel as in the beginning.

              The camp was guarded by Germans of the SS-detachments
              and by Ukrainians [guarded by prisoners of war!?]. The officer to whom this guard was subordinated was the SS-
              Capt. SAUER. This garrison (Lagerschutz) performed also
              duties of executioners, while menial services had to be performed by the inmates of the camps themselves, so e.g. the unloading of the trucks, stripping of the victims and
              sorting out of their clothes and shoes (Lumpensortierung),
              the emptying of the [steam – electric] death chambers and
              the burying of the [steamed] bodies. When a new transport arrived some of the Jews were picked out to do this work so Long till they broke down morally under the impression of this
              organized and mechanized mass murder. Then they had to dig their own [individual?] graves and take up their position at them, whereupon they were shot one by one by SAUER
              personally [How bizarrely inefficient… why not cycle them
              through the steaming as well? He just said there were more
              replacements to do the steaming.]. Their last duty before
              dying was to push the body of the preceding victim into its
              own [individual?] grave. [This part of the narrative is a convenient way to excuse that there are no witnesses, as
              well as no evidence. Were these separate, individual graves ever found? If there was even one witness, could he
              not point out where they were?] A new party was then chosen to continue their work in the camp. The sadism of
              SAUER in enjoying the shooting personally sounds incredible [especially since it is so completely incongruent
              with the mechanized efficiency of the rest of the operation], but his guilt has been proven beyond any doubt [evidence?].

              The average number of Jews dealt with at the camp in
              summer 1942 was about two railway transports daily [evidence?], but there were days of much higher efficiency
              [evidence?]. From autumn 1942 this number was falling.

              After unloading in the siding all victims were assembled in
              one place where men were separated from women and
              children. In the first days of the existence of the camp the victims were made to believe that after a short stay in the
              camp, necessary for bathing and disinfection, they would be
              sent farther east, for work [It turns out this is what happened.]. Explanations of this sort were given by SS-Men
              who assisted at the unloading of the transports and further explanations could be read in notices stuck up on the walls of the barracks. But later, when more transports had to be
              dealt with, the Germans dropped all pretences and only tried
              to accelerate the procedure [evidence?].

              All victims had to strip of their clothes and shoes, which were
              collected afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and children first, were driven into the death chambers. Those
              too slow or too weak to move quickly were driven on by rifle
              butts, by whipping and kicking, often by SAUER himself [evidence?]. Many slipped and fell, the next victims pressed
              forward and stumbled over them. Small children were simply
              thrown inside. After being filled up to capacity the chambers were hermetically closed and steam was let
              in. In a few minutes all was over. Jewish menial workers had to remove the bodies from the platform and to bury them in
              mass graves. By and by, as new transports arrived, the cemetery grew extending in eastern direction [though none of these graves may be found today].

              From reports received may be assumed [note: “evidence
              by assumption’] that several hundred thousands of Jews
              have been exterminated in Treblinka. Exact figures are
              impossible to obtain as the Germans did not bother to keep any records concerning the number of Jews
              deported to this camp and killed there [Evidence? Or is this a convenient explanation for the absence of any
              evidence?]. It will be even impossible to establish some correct figures because as early as spring 1943 the
              Germans began to exhume the bodies and to burn them so as to destroy all evidence of the crimes perpetrated.
              [Added perhaps knowing that there were no graves to be found. But yes, there are also no ashes to be found.] These
              cremations continue until summer 1943, when the victims were able to start a mutiny and to kill some of the guards
              enabling thus several hundred Jews to escape from the camp.

              The above description of the mass murders in Treblinka
              gives only a faint idea of the horrors which prevailed in the
              camp [evidence?]. It is practically impossible to imagine the
              sufferings of the victims in the camp and to grasp the full extent of the atrocities [because there is no evidence?]. For
              the victims transported to the camp in cattle trucks and exposed for several days to the most cruel sufferings of body
              and soul, death in the steam chambers must have almost come as a welcome relief. Their only crime consisted in
              the fact of belonging to a race condemned by Hitler to death
              [evidence? Written orders? verbal orders?].

              The responsibility of Dr. Hans FRANK for the setting up of the camp at Treblinka and for the mass killings described
              above [without any mention of evidence] is inherent to his official position as Governor General of Poland.

              The camp could not be set up without either his direct order or, at least, his approval, and the [admittedly unknown]
              numbers of people killed there [evidence?], clearly indicate,
              that these atrocities were elements of a systematic policy of extermination [i.e., for which there were no orders
              transmitted]. All those connected with the “liquidation” of ghettos and of the Jews themselves took their orders from
              the Governor General [where are these orders?]. [Seal of Main Commission for the Investigation of German
              Crimes in Poland]

              CERTIFICATE

              This will certify that the document entitled “Charge No 6.
              Camp of Treblinka”, concerning the extermination of Jews in
              this camp, is hereby officially submitted by the Polish Government to the International Military Tribunal by the
              undersigned under the provisions set forth in Article 21 of the
              Charter.

              /S/ Dr. Cyprian

              Dr. Tadeusz Cyprian

              Polish Deputy Representative on the United

              Nations War Crimes Commission in London

              [Seal of Main Commission for the Investigation of German

              Crimes in Poland]

              Nurnberg, the 5th December, 1945

              “So the Germans wanted to “exterminate every single Jew in Poland they could get their hands
              on”, and the best method they could devise for this was steam chambers!!”

              “Oh, and note at the end where they state that the Germans “did not bother to keep any records
              concerning the number of Jews deported” to Treblinka. I thought the Germans were meticulous
              record-keepers?”

              “Then right after that, note the allegation that the Germans “dug up the remains” of hundreds of
              thousands of dead Jews from the mass graves and cremated the bodies in order to “destroy all
              evidence of the crimes perpetrated.” Suuuurre.”

              “If you believe this nonsense, I have some ocean-front property in Arizona for sale too.”
              LEFT) Here you can see the back of the
              official sworn-in eyewitness identified
              “electric steam death chamber”. Note its
              true height and capacity. If you were
              presented this, and told it was to “disinfect you”, would you jump inside?] How many trainloads of people could be herded into there, anyway? Note the clothing racks (BELOW), which betray the chamber’s real purpose. Where’s the electricity for electrifying these chambers? “Hot Air oven in the Central Sauna, used for killing lice in clothing”

              “The Central Sauna was located directly across the road from a group of wooden warehouse
              buildings.” […] “For fifty years, the Central Sauna building (BELOW) was closed to visitors.

              [Why? Something there to hide? So we can’t check it against the official trial transcript?] Now
              it is being used as museum space, as the two photos below show.”

              Here is the so-called “ash pond”, where masses of ashes have never been found. This also

              shows the natural water table of the area, which is reclaimed swamp. This creates a real problem for mass-grave and open-pit burning conspiracy theorists, because both would have to
              have been done underwater. Just as well – there is no crematorium near the sauna.

              OFFICIAL SCRUBBING OF THE “STEAM DEATH CHAMBER” THEORY
              TODAY
              The photo below shows the hallway through the building with steam chambers along the wall on one side. In this photo you can see that the chambers were installed in the
              wall so that the clothes could be
              put in on one side and then taken
              out on the other. This prevented
              the contamination of the clean side
              where the deloused clothing was
              removed. On the other side of the
              wall shown in the photo below was
              another identical hallway with doors
              opening into the steam chambers. ”
              The shower room is shown in the photo below. Note that the 50 shower heads, that were once
              on the ceiling of this room, have long since been removed. [Why? By whom?]”
              “Shower Room in the Central Sauna ”

              Remember the famous “shower room gas chamber” theory? I think it’s obvious to a person of average intelligence why this could never have been used to ‘gas’ people. Maybe that is panother reason it was off-limits to the public for so long. Removing the shower heads just
              wasn’t enough to conceal its true purpose as a shower room. The Soviets who controlled the area needed time to extensively remodel other parts of the camp, to make them look like ‘gas
              chambers.’ But the Soviets failed. They lacked the knowledge to build anything realistic, and then forgot to add traces of actual poison. Maybe they thought no one would look closely.

              TESTIMONY OF FRIEDRICH STELZEHL

              April 22 2008 (Translation from the original German)
              Unfortunately I belong to those – according to your definition- unreasonable
              human beings who do not go so far as to deny the Holocaust, but nevertheless
              dispute it.

              I was, that is to say, in Soviet captivity at Auschwitz in the summer of 1945
              and know therefore that at that time there did not exist any gas chambers to
              gas human beings. / also know that it was not an extermination camp as you
              would call it. Have you ever been to Auschwitz?

              In my search for the gas chambers I came across a tiled 20 meter swimming pool in the prisoner area complete with diving board and chromed ladders for entering and leaving the pool. I asked myself whether the prisoners were allowed to go swimming prior to being gassed.

              One day I met two Polish Kapos (head overseers) who were living at the camp
              since the time of the war. During the course of our conversation I asked them
              what the living conditions were like in the camp and about the gas chambers.
              To get right to the point they knew nothing about any gas chambers. The
              living conditions were bearable. Those who worked received camp scrip
              (camp money). For that they could buy additional nourishment or tobbaco
              products or pay for a visit to the camp brothel. Prisoners who served their time
              were released.

              It should also provide food for thought that Eli Wiesel prefered to evacuate with
              the Germans to the West instead of letting himself be liberated by the Red Army.

              Incidentally, in numismatic circles Auschwitz scrip is still traded today.

              Friedrich Stelzel
              Packenreiter Str. 25
              81247 Munchen [Munich, Germany]

              In the end, the only interpretation that makes sense is that the Germans went to great lengths to
              protect their vital work force against the lice they knew transmitted deadly typhus. Allied bombing worsened conditions and food supply, resulting in repeated typhus and typhoid fever
              epidemics, which killed many thousands in spite of these efforts.

              (NEXT PAGE) The original official memorial plaque at Auschwitz. The total number of
              “Holocaust” deaths was known to be approximately 340,000 before the Soviets hid the camp
              and records from the West. The mysterious removal of the plaque and remodeling fake ‘gas
              chambers’ enabled the legend to grow.

              Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 11:58 am

              • What is your point, other than to prove my point that you refuse to believe that these atrocities happened? You obviously did not do all of this research and copying and pasting in the 14 minutes between our comments, so you obviously have a stock of quotes and statements to fall back on to attempt to “prove” that something with differing eyewitness accounts in a terrible, inhuman time period “didn’t occur.”

                Obviously (I thought this was a given) NO eyewitness account can be considered 100% assuredly accurate and foolproof, especially during a time of trauma and unspeakable horrors. However, when the similarities across many eyewitness accounts converge more than diverge – as they do, in fact, in your attempts to show discrepancies, among what appears to be many different locations – it is folly to disbelieve them as a whole for the sake of wanting to disbelieve. What other reason do you have for your disbelief, other than your desire to disbelieve? Were you there, in any of these places where these many, many eyewitness accounts occurred – does your account differ from theirs?

                Comment by Halli — May 24, 2016 @ 12:15 pm

                • Halli….I have at my disposal libraries of information at my fingertips….
                  I thought you might appreciate this below…..What about the Human Rights of people accused falsely of “hate”…
                  How is having a different opinion of the Holocaust translated into a Hate crime?
                  Hard to believe you would equate the search for truth to HATE??
                  What WE Revisionist HATE are LIES……

                  JR

                  From the book Auschwitz Plain Facts, which I’m reading right now….

                  Edited by Germar Rudolf

                  6. On the Defense of Human Rights

                  The most radical position of the opponents of Holocaust revisionism is that which denies all freedom to revisionism whatever, on the grounds that revisionism and its theories harm the dignity of Jews. I have some questions about this: – Whose human dignity is more diminished, that of the alleged victim whose claimed suffering is disputed, or that of the convicted defendant who may have been erroneously convicted? – Whose human dignity is more harmed, that of the alleged victim of whom some people think his suffering is a lie, or that of the scientist who is accused of lying and whose career is destroyed, his family ruined, and who is finally put into jail? German courts protect the dignity of every Jew who, in connection with the Holocaust, has been accused of lying directly or (supposedly) indirectly, from any conceivable attack. In the sense of the extended protection for victims many are prepared to accept this. When the same courts use the absolute objection of “common knowledge” to refuse to hear any mitigating evidence they dismiss or prohibit everything that could protect the dignity of the scientist who is accused of constructing a pseudoscientific structure of lies. Does not the scientist have the same right to the protection of his dignity as any Jewish citizen? Is he not entitled to have his arguments heard and considered in court? German courts protect at law the dignity of the actual or supposed victims of the Holocaust from any conceivable attack.

                  When these courts use the absolute objection of “common knowledge” to refuse to hear any mitigating evidence they dismiss or prohibit everything that could restore the dignity of the convicted SS man. Does not the convicted SS man have dignity that needs to be protected? Many of our contemporaries may have asked themselves this question, and the fact that many would probably answer this question spontaneously with a stark “No” shows that the principle of equal treatment before the law has long disappeared from the understanding of many citizens. But, in fact, the dignity of the SS man and the dignity of the Jew are equally deserving of protection. German courts protect the dignity of the supposed Jewish victims from any conceivable attack. At the same time they dismiss or prohibit anything that could restore the dignity of those of whom it is said, they were members of a criminal organization, like the SS. They dismiss or prohibit anything that could restore the dignity of the ordinary Wehrmacht soldier, of whom it is said by his service he enabled and prolonged the murders. German courts protect the dignity of the members of the entire Jewish race from any conceivable attack. They dismiss or prohibit anything that could restore the dignity of the entire German people, who are marked as criminals.

                  The German state and its component German judicial system accept every injury to the dignity of the German people and each German person, or injure it themselves, and forbid anything that might defend this dignity. Does not this nation and its judicial system commit a massive breach of Article 1, Section 1, of its constitutional Basic Law, in which human dignity is stipulated as inviolable and the government is expected to use every power it possesses to defend the dignity of every person? Does not this country and its component judicial system violate the equal treatment principle laid down in Article 3, Sections 1, 3 of the German Basic Law by defending the dignity of the Jews but neglecting or even forbidding the defense of the dignity of Germans generally, and of SS members, Waffen SS members, and Wehrmacht soldiers in particular? Does not this country and its component judicial system deny to all who hold an exact scientific worldview the freedom to profess that worldview, a freedom specified in Article 4, Section 1, of the German Basic Law? We are compelled to believe in bodies that burn by themselves, in the disappearance of millions of people without any trace, in geysers of blood spurting from mass graves, in boiling human fat collecting in incineration pits, in flames meters high spurting from crematory chimneys, in Zyklon B insertion hatches that are not there, in gassing with diesel motors, which is not practical for murder, and so on and so forth. The next thing we will be asked to believe in are witches riding on broomsticks.

                  Does not this country and its component judicial system refuse to allow someone to communicate his opinion of things connected with the Holocaust from the standpoint of his worldview derived from the exact sciences, contrary to Article 5, Section, 1 of its Basic Law? Finally, does not this country and its component judicial system deny to every researcher, scientist, and teacher his right to conduct an unprescribed, unrestricted search for the truth and to publish his scientific opinion, contrary to Article 5, Section 3, of its Basic Law? This country and its component judicial system are inflicting an ongoing injury to the majority of its people, in that it refuses the presentation of possible mitigating evidence, contrary to Articles 1, 3, 4 and 5 of its Basic Law, It would seem to be high time to change this practice if we are to keep it from being said that this country – together with many others in Europe – is grossly violating human rights. A first step should be to stop banning scientific books and throwing their authors into prison.

                  Germar Rudolf, Steinenbronn, May 5, 1995 revised in Chicago, March 20, 2005

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 12:45 pm

                • Jimbo ,Drop Robert Borden Reams name on him. Ol Rob wasn’t so quick to buy into the death tolls everyone said there was . He sad,”I have grave doubts about these unconfirmed reports”. I like this ol boy. He’s not gonna just take something at face value

                  Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 1:11 pm

                • “Jimbo ,Drop Robert Borden Reams name on him.”

                  Who is that?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 1:14 pm

                • He was U S consul in Copenhagen from ’37 to ’40. This is the reason I bought him up. He didn’t say nothing was going on in Germany with the Jews. He said in so many words,that he hasn’t had any of those reports verified (that’s not verbatim,but it’s close). Everybody else was just going along with the claims. He was just saying ,”don’t write checks with your mouth,that your ass can’t cash”. I’m still not taking either side here,but what he said makes perfect sense.

                  Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 5:10 pm

                • JR – please see my comment above regarding the apparent basis of Holocaust denial laws, rooted in other existing exceptions to free speech. I did not say I support such laws, and I’m not sure how or why you appear to suggest that I have disregarded the “human rights of people accused falsely of hate.”

                  Comment by Halli — May 24, 2016 @ 2:12 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “Who is that?”

                  During WW2, Robert Borden Reams was the Foreign Service officer in charge of Jewish questions in the Division of European Affairs of the US State Department.

                  Comment by hermie — May 24, 2016 @ 5:30 pm

                • I must’ve missed that part. I’m just going by what the newspaper articles that you posted had to say. A lot of those articles just raise more questions .

                  Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 5:33 pm

                • Tim wrote: “I’m just going by what the newspaper articles that you posted had to say. A lot of those articles just raise more questions .”

                  Don’t hesistate to ask your questions around that, Tim…

                  Comment by hermie — May 26, 2016 @ 1:05 am

                • I am asking. It’s getting kind of frustrating thinking that the school kids,ain’t being given all the facts when they study the holo. I’m reading newspaper articles of the period,that refutes what the historians say. Whenever FG posts something on here,she usually leaves a link for us to refer to. The historians write something,they don’t have to back their shit up. I think that’s why the end up with a ton of sheep following them . I only had one history teacher in school,that encouraged us to go beyond the history books and make our own decisions . All the others I ever had looked at the history books as the holy gospel. From what I’ve seen,the folks who write the history books,don’t ever have to back up what they say.

                  Comment by Tim — May 26, 2016 @ 9:47 am

                • It’s good that you kept the attitude promoted by your special history teacher, Tim. The best barrier against deception, IMO. Perhaps your military carreer also taught you that there’s no lie good propaganda can’t make seem true on the surface.

                  Comment by hermie — May 26, 2016 @ 4:13 pm

                • I think back about her and realize there’s actually some good in liberals. Don’t go along with what the establishment says. I learned that lesson the hard way. After a couple months in Southeast Asia,I realized we’d been sold a used war. They just slapped a fresh coat of paint on it. That’s the direction this event seems to be going in. Shine it up real good for the next generation. It’s kinda like you see all these people following the celebrities when it comes to who to vote for. If I want to hear anything out of the actors I’ll watch a movie. They’re not qualified to give a political opinion to the masses,but they still got a huge following of sheep.

                  Comment by Tim — May 27, 2016 @ 7:46 am

                • I usually stop about this time of the day and go to the feed store,deal with the vet if he comes out here because of my animals and I briefly glance at the news. I looked at the news and I see where our glorious party leader obama,went to Nagasaki . The article said he didn’t go there to apologize. Why not . He’s been apologizing for America from day one. There was a part of this story that sounded somewhat ,”familiar”. It said something about debate from both side before he took this trip. About ,”selective memory”. I hear memory questioned a lot here. Yet neither side on the holo topic totally rely on memory. I’m talking about on this site. Once shit gets dragged into open court,they seem to rely on survivor memory . This story questioned “memory”. How many times do you read a story about a nazi on trial,where the author of the story brings up the survivors memory,that’s testifying against the nazi. Another thing. When people speak of the holo,they condem an entire group of people. Why don’t we do that with the Nips? Think about it. If we invaded Japan,it wasn’t gonna be just military our boys would’ve come up against. They’d probably been dealing with 8 year olds and their sling shots. The Nips were an entire nation of cold hateful people. So how come nobody remembers that? Everybody wants to make the Germans out to be cold and hateful people . What about unit 731 the nips had in China . They weren’t exactly church going folk that worked there. Why don’t the people or their survivors get money from the Nips for being experimented on? How come we don’t hear about these people being put on trial? People gonna say they’ve put all the guilty Nips on trial ? I find that hard to believe . They can’t find maybe a janitor that worked at 731 and put him on trial.

                  Comment by Tim — May 27, 2016 @ 8:42 am

              • Hey, Jim?
                Instead of the irrelevant bullshit, why don’t you or some other denier tell us where the Jews were shipped instead of killing them? That would be an excellent start to disproving the Holocaust.

                It’s real simple.
                I’ve already mentioned the Hoefle Telegram and the Koehrer Report. These are GERMAN documents proving that the Jews were “deported.” Now, the Germans state that around 1.5 million Jews went through these camps up to December 31st, 1942.
                Where did they go?
                Next, look at the 400,000 Hungarian Jews “deported” to Birkenau in the Spring/Summer of 1944. Figure out where the majority of THOSE Jews went. Keep in mind, the USSR was no longer an option.
                Then you can figure out why the Germans shot about a million Jews between June of 1941 until the Spring of 1943. Keep in mind, a lot of these Jews were women and children.
                Good hunting, Jim.
                You can ask your denier buddies as well. Maybe that crazy dickhead Berg has answers, if he can do anything else besides spout racist filth.

                Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 12:23 pm

                • Jeff…..Thats all I know these missing people survived enough to collect their reparations “extortion” paychecks….
                  You might want to ask you fellow Holohuxsters how they survived…
                  Around 4 million as of now….
                  And they are still milking countries out of millions they think they are entitled of. For what surviving a work detail in a camp that protected them from the war?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 12:50 pm

                • “Jeff…..Thats all I know these missing people survived enough to collect their reparations “extortion” paychecks….”

                  You accuse me of “ducking.”

                  “You might want to ask you fellow Holohuxsters how they survived…
                  Around 4 million as of now….
                  And they are still milking countries out of millions they think they are entitled of.”

                  Jim, none of this is PROOF. Where do you get these statistics about reparations?
                  How old is your information?
                  I want to see actual amounts of money. I want to know how often these statistics are updated. Are these “4 million” alive, right now? Or is this from 1950? 1960? 1970? 1980?

                  This is YOUR POINT. You need to PROVE this or I will not take any of this seriously.

                  “For what surviving a work detail in a camp that protected them from the war?”

                  IRRELEVANT until you prove it.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — May 24, 2016 @ 1:07 pm

                • I’m not trying to take anyone’s side here,but when are people gonna drag Papa Joe’s sorry ass into the mix? He’s one of the biggest bastards of all time. I’m still a bit more than pissed,when the Jews want all the lime light. The Yards (Montagnards,Degar,The Highlanders,pick one to refer to them by) and Mayans. I got a personal interest in both. I’ve got a Mayan from Guatemala who works for me. When I was in country,the Yards helped keep my sorry ass alive when we were on Long Range Patrol. Both of these groups have experienced genocide. When Sal was still in Guatemala,they’d pick his ass up here and there,to “interrogate” him. There was no interrogation involved. They’d pick his ass up so they could bounce him around for kicks on a Saturday night. Remember our good friend Pol Pot?
                  Hanoi gave him the golden ticket. “Kill as many Degar as you want. We ain’t gonna stop you”. Hanoi didn’t like the Degar either,even though they were the original people in Nam. Jews on one side,The Highlanders and Mayans on the other. I’m in the cheering section for the Yards and Mayans. They never asked anyone to fight their battles. Yeah. When you hear those 2 groups coming,you hear their brass balls clanging a mile off.

                  Comment by Tim — May 24, 2016 @ 1:03 pm

  10. This Jewess’ rape day cake almost killed me! Hilarious!!

    Why not a creampie instead?😉

    Every year she celebrated her ‘rape birthday,’ but not her sister’s alleged death in a Nazi gas chamber. What an egocentric selfish whore!

    Note that the first eyewitness who ever testified about a Nazi gas chamber before a postwar court was Sofia (Zofia) Litwinska, a Polish Jewess, also pulled out of a gas chamber at Auschwitz before it was too late. Fortunately……for revisionists……she spent enough time inside to see yellow fumes (instead of blue pellets) enter the room and start killing everybody in there.

    Comment by hermie — May 24, 2016 @ 8:41 am

  11. The Jews have to have a good story to show how they survived. It would be pretty boring if she had no story to tell.
    You know like this…I was in the camp working and the end of the war came….
    German soldiers were for the most part honarable men and knew their place, they were not like the Americans who waved their willys at any women that walked by.
    Check out the Black servicemen in France who had a great time raping the women there. Yes some were disciplined harshly but many got away with it.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 7:55 am

    • Jim – I agree with you that German soldiers were for the most part honourable men, but you’ll have to back up your claim with evidence that Black servicemen in France had a great time raping women there. That is quite a serious accusation to make without something to back it up.

      The record of US Black G.I.’s stationed in Britain during WW2 is very high indeed. It was noted by all civilians that the Black soldiers were always polite, respectful and kind towards their hosts. Many British families invited Black and White US soldiers to their homes for a Sunday meal, and they found the Black guys particularly charming because of their traditional manners and behaviour.

      When a Black G.I. was accused by a White woman of raping her on a date, the Brits living in the West Country knew the score immediately. The woman was noted for her loose morals, and would readily lie to get a Black servicemen convicted ( which she knew meant a death sentence for a Black man in those racially segregated times.) A petition of nearly 40,000 names was presented to the American military authorities protesting his innocence, and this went up as far as Eisenhower himself – due to the sensitivities of all the issues at stake in the matter. I think the Black guy was quietly shipped overseas before any trial ever took place.

      Comment by Talbot — May 24, 2016 @ 9:05 am

      • I do understand that the sources quoted here have to be taken with a grain of salt but the information is out there I can’t verify it this came from I believe a Wikipedia article just to let you know so he’s really found about it I know I read about it I just had to find the link to it.

        JR

        130 of the 153 troops disciplined for rape by the Army were African American.[11] Military courts sentenced African American soldiers to more severe punishment than white American soldiers:[12] U.S. forces executed 29 soldiers for rape, 25 of them African American.[13] Many convictions against African Americans were, however, based on flimsy evidence. For example, Marie Lepottevin identified William Downs only because he was “much larger” than the other soldiers, despite the crime taking place in near darkness.[14]

        Comment by jrizoli — May 24, 2016 @ 9:15 am


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