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June 6, 2016

How many Jews died at Auschwitz?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , , — furtherglory @ 5:06 pm

One of the regular readers of my blog wrote this in a comment:

“Well, no one ever claimed that 4 million Jews died at Auschwitz. So that decline in numbers [down to 1.1 million] has no bearing on the amount of Jews killed at Auschwitz-Birkenau.”

Excuse me — I think that someone did, in fact, claim that 4 million Jews died at Auschwitz. The famous 4 million number was literally carved in stone at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

This stone was displayed at Auschwitz-Birkenau

This stone was displayed at Auschwitz-Birkenau

The sauna building at Birkenau where clothes were disinfected and prisoners took a shower

My photo of the sauna building at Birkenau where the clothes were disinfected with Zyklon-B and prisoners took a shower

On May 14, 1946, the former Commandant of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, Rudolf Höß, also known as Rudolf Hoess, signed a sworn affidavit in which he stated that two million Jews had been gassed at Auschwitz-Birkenau between 1941 and 1943 while he was the Commandant.

My 2005 photo of the Fence around the Birkenau camp

My 2005 photo of the fence around the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp

This did not include the period, during which Hoess was not the Commandant, when over 300,000 Hungarian Jews were gassed during a period of 10 weeks in the Summer of 1944, according to the Auschwitz Museum.

The English translation of the German text in the affidavit reads: “I declare herewith under oath that in the years 1941 to 1943 during my tenure in office as commandant of Auschwitz Concentration Camp 2 million Jews were put to death by gassing and a 1/2 million by other means. Rudolf Hoess. May 14, 1946.” The confession was signed by Hoess and by Josef Maier of the US Chief of Counsel’s office.

The original affidavit, signed by Rudolf Hoess, was displayed in a glass case in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC when I visited the museum in the year 2000. The photo that was displayed, along with the affidavit, showed Hungarian Jewish women and children walking to one of the four gas chambers in the Auschwitz- Birkenau death camp on May 26, 1944, carrying their hand baggage in sacks.

My photo taken in the US Holocaust Memorial Museum

My photo taken in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

The caption underneath the photo above reads:

On May 14, 1946, Rudolf Hoess, the former commandant of Auschwitz, signed a declaration stating that during his tenure in office, 2 million Jews had been gassed at Auschwitz and another 500,000 killed in other ways.

End quote

Hoess overestimated the number of Jews gassed by about 1 million, according to today’s statistics.

There have been allegations that this confession was obtained from Rudolf Hoess by means of torture.

Rupert Butler wrote in his book entitled Legions of Death, published by Arrow Books in London in 1983, that before Hoess confessed, he had been beaten for three days by a British team of torturers under the command of Jewish interrogator Bernard Clarke.

In April 1967, an International Monument, dedicated to the victims of Fascism, was unveiled at Auschwitz-Birkenau, between the ruins of Krema II and Krema III, the two crematoria buildings where the two largest gas chambers were located.

The ruins of the Birkenau camp

My 2005 photo of the ruins of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp

The monument included a series of granite plaques which informed visitors that 4 million people had been murdered by the Nazis at Auschwitz-Birkenau. This number was an estimate given by the Soviet Union on May 8, 1945, based on the maximum capacity of the cremation ovens in the main Auschwitz camp and the ovens in the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp.

Four million was the number of deaths at Auschwitz-Birkenau that the Soviet Union had included in their war crimes charges against the Nazis at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal in November 1945.

The Soviet Union also charged that the Nazis had murdered 1.5 million people at the Majdanek death camp. Today, the Museum at Majdanek claims that only 78,000 prisoners, including 59,000 Jews, died at Majdanek.

According to the Auschwitz Museum, after the fall of Communism in 1989, the Soviet Union turned over to the International Committee of the Red Cross 46 volumes of Death Books (Sterbebücher) which they had confiscated from the Auschwitz camp. These records, which had been kept by the political department (Gestapo) at Auschwitz, show that there were around 69,000 registered prisoners who died between July 29, 1941 and December 31, 1943.

The Death books from June 14, 1940 to July 28, 1941 are missing, as are the death books from all of 1944 and January 1945. Based on these records, the International Red Cross has estimated that a total of around 135,000 registered prisoners died in the three Auschwitz camps. These figures are for Jews and non-Jews.

The document in the photo below, which shows records kept in the Nazi concentration camps, is stored at Arolsen, Germany.

Records kept by the Red Cross

Records kept by the Red Cross

In 1990, the plaques at Auschwitz-Birkenau, with the figure of 4 million, were removed. It was not until 1995 that new plaques were placed at the International Monument. There are 20 metal plates inscribed in Yiddish, English and all the major languages of Europe.

The plaques were set on granite slabs on the steps of the International Monument. The number of deaths at Auschwitz, according to each of the 20 metal plates, is 1.5 million. However, the official number of deaths, according to the Jews, is now 1.1 million.

The English inscription reads:

FOR EVER LET THIS PLACE BE A CRY OF DESPAIR AND A WARNING TO HUMANITY, WHERE THE NAZIS MURDERED ABOUT ONE AND A HALF MILLION MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN MAINLY JEWS FROM VARIOUS COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. AUSCHWITZ-BIRKENAU 1940-1945

 

In 1980, Franciszek Piper, the director of the Auschwitz Museum, began a study of all the available documents at Auschwitz; he calculated that 1,077,180 prisoners, of which 90% were Jews, had died at Auschwitz, based on his estimate of the number of arrivals minus the number of liberated prisoners and the number of transferred, escaped and released prisoners. This number includes the Jews, not registered in the camp, who are assumed to have been gassed immediately upon arrival.

In 1946, Rudolf Hoess was put on trial in Poland; he was charged with the murder of “around 300,000 people held at the camp as prisoners and entered into the camp’s records and around 4,000,000 people, mainly Jews, who were brought to the camp in transports from other European countries for immediate extermination and thus not listed in the camp’s records.” During his trial, Höss changed the figure in his confession to a total of 1,130,000 Jews that were gassed but declared “During my tenure at Auschwitz, millions of people died, whose exact number I cannot determine.”

Rudolf Hoess wrote in his autobiography that Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann and his deputy were the only ones who knew the total number of Jews that were gassed at Auschwitz-Birkenau because Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler had ordered the records to be burned after every special action. The Nazis always used code words when talking about the genocide of the Jews: a mass gassing was called a “special action.”

In the last days of World War II, shortly before Berlin was surrounded by Soviet troops, Eichmann told Hoess that 2.5 million Jews had been murdered at Auschwitz Birkenau. Eichmann was an SS Lt. Col. who was the head of Department IV, B-4, the section of the Reich Central Security Office (RSHA) in Berlin, which was responsible for deporting the Jews. It was Adolf Eichmann who was in charge of deporting the Jews on the trains to the death camps.

According to the Auschwitz Museum, no records of the number of prisoners who died at Auschwitz-Birkenau have ever been found. In an article on the official Auschwitz website, Franciszek Piper wrote the following:

When the Soviet army entered the camp on January 27, 1945, they did not find any German documents there giving the number of victims, or any that could be used as a basis for calculating this number. Such documents (transport lists, notifications of the arrival of transports, reports about the outcome of selection) had been destroyed before liberation. For this reason, the Soviet commission investigating the crimes committed in Auschwitz Concentration Camp had to make estimates.

[…]

The absence of the most important of the statistical sources that the Germans kept in Auschwitz made it practically impossible for historians to research the issue of the number of victims. The reluctance to research this issue also resulted from a conviction of the impossibility of drawing up a full list of transports reflecting the total number of deportees, and above all of the people who were consumed by the gas chambers and crematoria with no registration or records.

In his book entitled “IBM and the Holocaust,” Edwin Black wrote that the Nazis tracked the prisoners by using IBM Hollerith machines which sorted punch cards that were coded with information about each prisoner. The numbers on the tattoos that were put on the arms of the Auschwitz prisoners, starting in 1943, were originally the prisoner’s code number on his Hollerith card.

The following is a quote from the book “IBM and the Holocaust” by Edwin Black:

Begin quote

It was not just people who were counted and marshaled for deportation. Box cars, locomotives and intricate train time tables were scheduled across battle-scared borders – all while a war was being fought on two fronts. The technology had enabled Nazi Germany to orchestrate the death of millions without skipping a note.

End quote

According to Edwin Black, the prisoners were not tracked with an IBM punch card until they were registered in a camp, so there are no records of those who arrived at Auschwitz, but were not registered. Of the millions of Hollerith punch cards used by the Nazis, only around 100,000 survived the war, according to Edwin Black.

The generally accepted figure of 1.3 million who were deported to Auschwitz is not based on the train records kept by the Germans, but rather an estimate made by Franciszek Piper who wrote the following in his article on the official Auschwitz web site:

After an overall analysis of the original sources and findings on deportation to Auschwitz, I concluded that a total of at least 1,300,000 people were deported there, and that 1,100,000 of them perished. Approximately 200,000 people were deported from Auschwitz to other camps as part of the redistribution of labor resources and the final liquidation of the camp.

One of the most distinguished Holocaust researchers, Raul Hilberg, published a separate work (Auschwitz and the Final Solution) on the number of Auschwitz victims. His findings reaffirmed both the figure of 1,000,000 Jewish Auschwitz victims that he had arrived at as long ago as 1961, as well as my own conclusions.

The IBM Hollerith punch cards kept by the Germans for the Jews, Russians and Gypsies, who were registered in the camp and later killed in the gas chambers, were coded as F-6 for “special treatment” or as “evacuations” according to Edwin Black, the author of “IBM and the Holocaust.” The code for “execution” was D-4.

In 2002, Edwin Black wrote the following in an article regarding the IBM Hollerith punch card machines in Krakow which were used by the Nazis to keep track of the Auschwitz prisoners:

The machines almost certainly did not maintain extermination totals, which were calculated as “evacuations” by the Hollerith Gruppe in Krakow.

Richard Seaver wrote in the Introduction to Auschwitz, a Doctor’s Eyewitness Account by Dr. Miklos Nyiszli that “in 1944 German authorities destroyed the transport lists of all Jews who had been sent to Auschwitz up to that point, and in the succeeding months ordered the destruction of all other incriminating documents.”

The complete records, compiled by the office of Richard Glücks for all the Nazi concentration camps in the years 1935 to 1944, are now stored on microfilm and kept in the Russian Central Archives in the Central State Archives No. 187603 on Rolls 281 through 286. These records give statistics on the number of Auschwitz deaths from execution, typhus and other natural causes, but not the statistics on the Jews who were gassed.

According to Wikipedia, Richard Glücks attained the rank of a SS-Gruppenführer and a Generalleutnant of the Waffen-SS and was, from 1939 until the end of World War II, the head of Amt D: Konzentrationslagerwesen of the WVHA and the highest-ranking “Inspector of Concentration Camps” in Nazi Germany. Close to Himmler, Glücks was directly responsible for the forced labour of the camp inmates; he was also the supervisor for the medical practices in the camps, ranging from human experimentation to the implementation of the Endlösung, in particular the mass murder of the inmates by gassing with Zyklon-B.

Endlösung is the German term for “The Final Solution,” which means the genocide of the Jews. Himmler and Glücks both escaped justice by committing suicide immediately after they were captured by the Allies in May 1945, before they could be interrogated.

According to the records kept by the office of Richard Glücks, there was a total of 121,453 inmates, including 100,743 Jews who were transferred out of Auschwitz-Birkenau to other camps.

The same records show that there was a total of 334,785 prisoners who entered Auschwitz-Birkenau between May 1940 and December 1944, including 161,785 non-Jews.

The records kept by the office of Richard Glücks show that 103,429 inmates of Auschwitz-Birkenau died from typhus, including 58,240 Jews who died from typhus between 1942 and 1944. An additional 4,140 prisoners died of other natural causes between 1940 and 1944, including 2,064 Jews.

The number of people executed at Auschwitz, according to the records stored on microfilm in the Russian Archives, was 1,646 including 117 Jews, 1,485 Poles, 19 Russians, 5 Czechs and 20 Gypsies.

The German records kept by the office of Richard Glücks show that 173,000 Jews were brought to Auschwitz-Birkenau and that 100,743 were transferred to other camps; 58,240 Jews died of typhus; 2064 Jews died of natural causes and 117 Jews were executed, bringing the total number of Jewish deaths at Auschwitz-Birkenau to 60,421. At the end of October 1944, there were 11,836 Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau, plus a few that were admitted to the camp in November and December 1944, according to the records kept by the office of Richard Glücks.

The German records show that 161,785 non-Jews were brought to Auschwitz-Birkenau from May 1940 to December 1944 and that 45,189 of them died from typhus; 1,529 non-Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz-Birkenau were executed; 2,076 non-Jews died of natural causes, other than typhus. This makes a total of 48,794 non-Jewish deaths at Auschwitz-Birkenau in addition to the 60,421 Jewish deaths, for a combined total of 109,215. This does not include the deaths in January 1945 before Auschwitz was liberated on January 27, 1945.

According to information presented at the Auschwitz Museum, 405,222 prisoners were registered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. The Jews who were immediately sent to the gas chamber were not registered and no records of any kind were kept for them.

Out of the 405,222 prisoners who were registered at Auschwitz and Birkenau, around 340,000 died at Auschwitz and other camps to which they were transferred, according to a Museum guidebook, which I purchased in 2005. This figure includes the prisoners who were registered and then selected later for gassing because they were no longer able to work.

By subtracting the number of prisoners still in the camp the day before it was abandoned, the By subtracting the number of prisoners still in the camp the day before it was abandoned, the number of prisoners sent to other concentration camps, and the number of escapees from the number of prisoners that were registered, the remainder is a number that closely matches the figure of 135,000 deaths that was estimated by the Red Cross. According to Franciszek Piper, the director of the Auschwitz Museum, there were approximately 500 prisoners who escaped from Auschwitz.

The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust puts the total number of Hungarian Jews who died at Auschwitz-Birkenau between May and July 1944 at approximately 550,000, the majority of whom were gassed, but Lucy Dawidowicz wrote in her book entitled “The War Against the Jews,” published in 1975, that 450,000 Hungarian Jews were brought to Auschwitz between May 1944 and October 1944. Raul Hilberg stated in his book entitled The Destruction of the European Jews that the number of Hungarian Jews brought to Auschwitz was 180,000.

According to Franciszek Piper, the majority of the Hungarian Jews, who were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau, were gassed immediately.

A booklet purchased from the Auschwitz Museum stated that 434,351 of the Hungarian Jews were gassed upon arrival. If these figures are correct, only 3,051 Hungarian Jews, out of the 437,402 who were sent to Auschwitz, were registered in the camp. However, Franciszek Piper wrote that 28,000 Hungarian Jews were registered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. The records from the office of Richard Glücks show that only 23,117 Hungarian Jews were brought to Auschwitz-Birkenau and 21,527 Hungarian Jews were transferred out of the camp.

On July 12, 1944, there were 92,705 prisoners in the whole camp complex, according to the roll call taken that day. In the main camp, there were 14,386 men. At Birkenau, there were 19,711 men and 31,406 women. There were 26,705 men in Auschwitz III. This total did not include the Hungarian Jews who were not registered, according to Danuta Czech. They were held in section B III of Birkenau, called Mexico, while they waited to be gassed or sent to another camp.

On April 12, 1947, just before his execution, Rudolf Hoess signed the following Final Statement, in which he admitted his shame for committing Crimes Against Humanity and for participating in the genocide perpetrated by the Third Reich:

Begin quote from the confession of Rudolf Hoess:

My conscience is forcing me to make also the following assertion: In the isolation prison I have reached the bitter understanding of the terrible crimes I have committed against humanity. As a Kommandant of the extermination camp at Auschwitz, I have realized my part in the monstrous genocide plans of the Third Reich.

By this means I caused humanity and mankind the greatest harm, and brought unspeakable suffering, particularly to the Polish nation. For my responsibility, I am now paying with my life. Oh, that God would forgive me my deeds! People of Poland, I beg you to forgive me! Just now in the Polish prisons have I recognized what humanity really is. In spite of everything that happened I have been treated humanely, which I had never expected, and this has made me feel deeply ashamed. Would to God…that the fact of disclosing and confirming those monstrous crimes against mankind and humanity may prevent for all future ages even the premises leading to such horrible events.

End of confession

252 Comments »

  1. Clicked on the photo of the document. It did NOT enlarge as promised. Using Outlook under Windows 10.

    – Jett Rucker

    Comment by Jett Rucker — June 13, 2016 @ 7:28 pm

    • Thank you for telling me about the photo that did not enlarge. It turns out that there is no enlargement of that photo. I was thinking of another similar photo that does have an enlargement.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 14, 2016 @ 9:32 am

  2. “Hermie on June 9, 2016 at 6:39 pm
    Jeff wrote: “We have no idea where this camp was in Belorussia, we have no idea if these people were even Jews and we sure as hell have no proof they were foreigners.”

    This camp? Selective memories? Rudenko talked about numerous special camps systematically established by the Germans on the Eastern front, just behind their main defense line, in several countries (not only in Belarus).

    Jeff wrote: “Plus, Belorussia was a war zone.”

    Are you denying that Rudenko’s special camps full of people unfit for work existed or that the inmates held there were foreign Jews? Or both?

    Jeff wrote: “Plus, Kube refused any further transports of Jews on July 31st, 1942 under the threat of elimination.”

    Kube’s alleged refusal is based on a dubious document. Plus Kube was not the Führer of the Third Reich. Hitler was that guy. Hitler ordered, and Kube obeyed or was transferred to a position less pleasant. That’s how it worked…”

    Never mind.
    I’ve got it. I put it up here.

    Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 7:14 pm

  3. Statements like this are truly beneath you. How dare ANY of you claim to KNOW what the other knows or doesn’t know or believe or doesn’t believe. “Yeah, I really do. Jim has no concept of the timelines involved, no real details about WW I or WW II, nothing besides crap written by people like MS King or Bradberry. Diane has the same problem. Even denier “scholars” understand what I’m talking about, Jim has no clue.” What an arrogant, self-involved thing to say with someone who has a deity complex and consequent lack of humility himself. We are ALL learning, not yet having truly arrived. Why pretend that you have ALL THE ANSWERS! We likely do as holocost deniers but we aren’t going to take the tone with you like you have with us. No matter how wrong you are despite what we present to you, we still leave the door open for discussion.

    ANON, you’ve said: “Look, Jim never has any answers to any of the questions I’ve put to him.” Jim has gone over this with Jeff K endlessly without response from him on the specific issues mentioned. At least Jeff showed some decency, something of which you are bereft. I don’t blame Jim for not wanting to go over it again with you when you totally disregard, disrespect. A number of people who normally comment on this site don’t. I understand that. I wouldn’t want to either. You are a PC tool without the perfunctory manners and pleasantries. No one wants to engage in conversation with an arrogant, knuckle-dragging, neanderthal (no offense to neanderthals) who dodges the real issues by attacking instead of discussing. Enjoy your solitary life wallowing in your ignorance .

    FG: If you want people to participate, it will likely have to be without the foul-mouthed ANON with the self righteous attitude. I’ve seen the participation decrease considerably. Unless that’s what you want – NO ONE wanting to hear from FurtherGlory.

    Comment by Diane King — June 8, 2016 @ 2:12 pm

    • “Statements like this are truly beneath you.”

      I’m sorry you feel that way.

      “How dare ANY of you claim to KNOW what the other knows or doesn’t know or believe or doesn’t believe. “Yeah, I really do. Jim has no concept of the timelines involved, no real details about WW I or WW II, nothing besides crap written by people like MS King or Bradberry. Diane has the same problem. Even denier “scholars” understand what I’m talking about, Jim has no clue.” What an arrogant, self-involved thing to say with someone who has a deity complex and consequent lack of humility himself.”

      Diane, I’ve been corresponding with Jim for a year. I’ve asked him to provide proof, I’ve watched some of his videos, I’ve read his statements. So, yes, I feel fully justified in saying the things I’ve said.
      I’m 46 years old. I’ve read every type of history you can imagine for at least 33 years. I majored in history in college. My favorite time period is WW II. If I don’t know or can’t remember I know where to look for the answers I need.
      So, when I asked Jim for proof, just like I ask you and I don’t get answer or I just get rhetoric I do question.
      I’ve read books Jim has suggested. They were crap.

      “We are ALL learning, not yet having truly arrived. Why pretend that you have ALL THE ANSWERS! We likely do as holocost deniers”

      No, you don’t.
      Where did the Jews go from the Reinhard Camps, Diane? Where was their destination? Where is the proof?
      ANSWER.

      “but we aren’t going to take the tone with you like you have with us. No matter how wrong you are despite what we present to you, we still leave the door open for discussion.”

      Really? Anti-Semitic garbage and rhetoric? That’s the discussion?

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 2:43 pm

      • Jeff…..we call a spade a spade and don’t follow that PC crap that has been shoved done your throat and happily accepted.
        Have you ever thought our age difference might give us a little more of learning time than you?
        The problem is you feel you have all the answers……even over people almost twice you age.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 2:51 pm

        • “Jeff…..we call a spade a spade and don’t follow that PC crap that has been shoved done your throat and happily accepted.”

          I don’t “happily” accept anything, Jim.

          “Have you ever thought our age difference might give us a little more of learning time than you?”

          No, it’s irrelevant. I’m not 17. Or 22.
          You and I are close enough generationally.

          “The problem is you feel you have all the answers……even over people almost twice you age.”

          Oh, pish posh, Jim.
          You are what, maybe 10, 15 years older than me?
          Diane the same?
          You are probably, what, late 50’s? Early to mid-60’s? If that?

          Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 3:03 pm

        • Age doesn’t determine truth, experience has its pros but age especially when hitting a point starts to fail people. The issue is you have convinced yourself the the most idiotic things I have ever heard.

          You should also try talking the SM from skeptic, he’s just as old as you and is an anti-revisionist who makes you look like an idiot… Then again you basically made yourself look like an idiot when you dressed up as an ultra-orthodox Jew just to advertise your website…

          Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 3:52 pm

    • “ANON, you’ve said: “Look, Jim never has any answers to any of the questions I’ve put to him.” Jim has gone over this with Jeff K endlessly without response from him on the specific issues mentioned.”

      What specific issues? Remind me.

      “At least Jeff showed some decency, something of which you are bereft.”

      What a nice thing to say.

      “I don’t blame Jim for not wanting to go over it again with you when you totally disregard, disrespect. A number of people who normally comment on this site don’t. I understand that. I wouldn’t want to either. You are a PC tool without the perfunctory manners and pleasantries. No one wants to engage in conversation with an arrogant, knuckle-dragging, neanderthal (no offense to neanderthals) who dodges the real issues by attacking instead of discussing. Enjoy your solitary life wallowing in your ignorance .”

      Actually I find Anonymous refreshing. He has a different style but that’s OK.

      “FG: If you want people to participate, it will likely have to be without the foul-mouthed ANON with the self righteous attitude. I’ve seen the participation decrease considerably. Unless that’s what you want – NO ONE wanting to hear from FurtherGlory”

      Actually there are a lot of comments here. Anonymous seems to be spinning the dial.
      I bowed out because, frankly, I don’t know that much about Majdanek. See, Diane and Jim? I admit when I don’t know something.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 2:50 pm

      • Jeff you said you admit when you don’t know something…..I look at it this way..when you see one fraud one fraud you’ve seen them all.
        Same characters, same lies, same information different place.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 2:54 pm

        • Jim I have requested for a question to be answered you do not provide answers, I see no reason for you to continue to post your complaints as while you may out age me and have experience, but your traditionalist ego is causing the problem. You have just acted like a child refusing to answer it. If you are interested in answering I still am waiting for one issue that would provent gassings in the bunker.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 4:21 pm

          • From letter summing up the camp
            Not a revisionist writer.
            There goes your Extermination theory…

            Majdanek
            Conclusions. The lack of interest on the part of the German authorities shows
            that the situation in the camp Majdanek is temporary. According to rumors origi-
            nating with the camp commandant, Majdanek is a ‘distribution camp’: the ap-
            proximately 70% who were arrested during raids are to be set free, the others –
            many of them long-term inmates – shall be sent to Germany or the east to work,
            and anyone who is still left will be transferred to other camps. According to other
            rumors circulating in the camp, Majdanek is to be expanded further, until it can
            hold 50,000 people, and will become another Auschwitz. This second version does
            not seem likely, as no preparations for such an expansion are evident. Rather, the
            overall picture indicates that originally the Gestapo had actually planned to set up
            a new Auschwitz, but that a different solution was eventually chosen, which re-
            sulted in a certain confusion, even ambivalence, in the organization of the camp

            Comment by jrizoli — June 9, 2016 @ 2:51 pm

            • Who is the author, Jim?

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 3:09 pm

            • Thanks Jim, you see this all could have been over by DDay, and the stress could have all been over with… Took you long enough. I’ll take this as my time to stop posting against you on Majdanek now.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2016 @ 7:57 pm

              • Truth is the truth….

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — June 9, 2016 @ 8:01 pm

                • Never said I agree with what you has quoted. The thing is that you do not show evidence… It’s that I practically had to force it out of you… Do you see the issue here?

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2016 @ 8:37 pm

      • Also Jeff don’t worry they don’t know anything on it.

        Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2016 @ 4:29 am

    • Read my post on rudolf and tell me where I have it incorrect… You have yet to say anything that debunks my claims.

      Jim has shown himself to not even to provide evidence even before I started getting to mouthy. He’s more then happy to quote his videos, but when asked to quote from his books one statement or to give one reason for why the gas chambers in Majdanek aka inside the bunker couldn’t be used he just plays dumb and acts offended. Which shows with his middle age name callin to change my name to “anal”. It shows a great amount of childishness past me simply saying any version of “Fuck”.

      You also advocated the allies were evil for bombing an industrial sector of Germany. Even if it were a civilian bombing it still would need more evidence for such. Even so I do not see you making a similar cry for the Spanish when they were a civilian target of German bombings.

      As I have stated all the way at the bottom of this comments section.

      “Bullshit! Dresden had 150 factories in it. As well Hamburg was also located in the Rhineland, which is know for its industry. Regardless I don’t see you complaining over the Germans bombing civilian targets in Spain! Look up Guernica, it was a civilian site bombed in 1937.”

      Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 5:40 pm

    • What if Anon was only sent to make Jeff look better? Makes you wonder, eh? I can almost hear the conspiracy gears churning.

      Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 6:45 pm

      • This’ll freak’em out:
        We’re the same person.

        Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 7:04 pm

        • 😄

          Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 7:24 pm

  4. Also the Red Cross numbers were for Germans and german Jews alone…. This has been handled with plenty of times.

    “Harwood even used other sources to try to misrepresent the ICRC’s findings. He claimed that a Swiss paper, Die Tat, had surveyed all World War II casualties and concluded, based on ICRC statistics, that the number of victims of political, racial, or religious persecution who [117] died in prisons and concentration camps between 1939 and 1945 amounted to “300,000, not all of whom were Jews.” Harwvood argued that this figure was the most accurate assessment of the number of victims. (58) The Swiss paper did cite the 300,000 figure, but only in reference to “Germans and German Jews,” not nationals of other countries. (59) It did not conduct a survey of all World War II causalities and made no reference to Red Cross figures.”
    (Denying the Holocaust p. 116)

    Also the Red Cross responded to this as well.

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.1978.9969431#/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.1978.9969431

    Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 5:49 am

    • The Red Cross change their tune later because they got all the flak for telling the truth so they had a cover up / retract the truth they weren’t even two hundred thousand German Jews in Germany at the time so you’re telling me that every single German Jew was in a camp. Not true.
      like I mentioned in other post there weren’t that many Jews in these camps as they want to make you believe. But again after the war they had to make it look like it was a Jew thing and it wasn’t.
      It’s all about the Jews no one else matters their suffering was the only suffering that counted even though there are less of them in the camps. . Most of the Jews survived after the war to collect their reparation money their hush money.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 6:22 am

      • Here are a couple of important points about Majdanek:
        1. On one side of the camp was a cemetery. Relatives of the people buried in the cemetery were coming to visit the graves. There was no wall between the cemetery and the camp — there was only a fence, and people could look into the camp and see that the prisoners were not being mistreated.

        Behind the camp, there were houses that were very close to the fence. These were two story houses with balconies that looked out over the camp. The people who lived in these houses could see everything that was going on.

        On the third side of the camp, there was a major road that was well-traveled. Everyone driving by could see into the camp. The camp was located just outside the city of Lublin [pronounced Loo-BLEEN].

        In other words, if Jews were being mistreated, thousands of people could see it.

        Comment by furtherglory — June 8, 2016 @ 6:52 am

        • There are reports of people being mistreated read a damn book, no one denies this.

          Such testimony was given by a student at the Majdanek trial in the early 80’s.

          “Jadwiga Wegrezecka, then a twenty-year-old student, watched the murders through a window in her barracks. She particularly remembers a macabre twist when suddenly a naked boy and girl left the line and literally danced towards the grave. ‘They must have gone mad,’ she now says, ‘but they were amongst the dead when it all finished at 6 o’clock that night. We remembered the massacre for days afterwards. A thick yellow fog and the stench of burning flesh filled the air for days, and they still couldn’t burn all of the bodies.’7”

          I see no reason to continue on this subject.

          Hell even people living away from the camp look photographs of smoke rising from the camp. Also this is a huge camp which it would be hard to tell such mistreatment as common.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 10:58 am

          • Anal……
            Sorry I have to change your name to anal instead of anon.. you are so out to lunch or you’re just doing this as a provacateur,…..
            No one can honestly say that people could see anything that was going on in these camps through a window from a Barrack absolutely insane….. so you have just proved my point that you are here just to stir trouble because honestly you have no common sense and I guess we’ll just leave it like that.
            I mean honestly no one can be that stupid to believe what you believe.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 11:53 am

            • Is that really the best you got? changing a small portion of the name? You really are a fucking 70 year old… And way back from the times of computers. A fucking flat earther could make better insults then your ass.

              Also I don’t believe I have been the stupid shit here who cannot answer a simple fucking question… A 4 year old could at least give an answer, you just zoom around it like a dumb ass.

              So Again state and issue with majdaneks gas chambers aka in the bunker that would prevent the gassing of humans.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 1:38 pm

              • Here’s the thing Anonymous:

                He really doesn’t know.

                Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 1:53 pm

              • Analanon……
                Sorry I don’t engage with people that are as disrespectful as you….You’re just a time waster to me. Also
                As Jesus said….”Don’t throw your pearls before swines”……
                No disrespect to any pigs meant here…..

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 2:05 pm

                • Says the guy who dressed as an ultra Orthodox Jews to advertise his website.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 4:26 pm

                • I also, if this how you think Jim, then label yourself as one of them. You went on to post a video asking if Zyklon would explode and it stated exactly what I have said. 60,000 ppm is not 300 ppm

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2016 @ 9:27 am

                • Germar Rudolfs ZB video

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 9, 2016 @ 9:39 am

                • Germar rudolf has said he was more then willing to lie in a court of law.
                  Rudolf refiened to look seriously into Auschwits like Pressac. As well the institute for Forensic research shows some of his writings to be incorrect. As an example with Block 11 Rudolf claims to have found no cyanide residue, but the Institute for Forensic Research found Cyanide residue on the walls of block 11. Pressacs book does a great job of refuting deniers on Auschwtiz.
                  Pressacs book only has two issues.
                  1) He made the same assumptions leuchter in saying HCN was heavier then air. In his refutation to leuchter he corrected this.
                  2) He is claimed to has misidentified a photograph.
                  Unlike Fred and Rudolf Pressac actually has the archives of Auschwtiz on his side.
                  This is also ignoring the request for shower heads to be sent to the crematorium. The request for a gas tight door for a ‘morgue’ as well gas detectors for a morgue. As well ventilation. Rudolf tries to play this ventilation system as weak but it’s a stong force ventilation system.
                  Rudolf also doesn’t exactly give the credit needed to weathering and its effects on the amount of HCN being found inside the gas chambers. As mentioned on Nizkor the room known as morgue 1 in Crematorium 2 and the same for crematorium 3 are flooded with up to 3ft of water quite often and HCN is very susceptible to wet environments. Prussian blue is also as well, this is why rudolf doesn’t exactly say there has to be Prussian blue on the walls. He may understand more about chemistry then most revisionist, but he also is known for lying about quite a bit when it comes to HCN and its evaporation temperatures. HCN will easily be released at below -10 degrees Celsius. Generally the retort from deniers who are a bit more sane then Rudolf will say HCNs boiling point is of issue.
                  I think you should most likely read Chemestry is not the science.
                  I personally believe Rudolf convinced himself of what he believes completely based on the lack of evidence which he actually searched out. He wasn’t like Pressac searching though the Russian archives. It’s honestly a shame. He also claims a huge conspiracy of two powers which are both claimed to have been run by the Jews and are supposedly still run by the Jews, but were Cold War enemies. This also doesn’t explain the amount of resources the Soviet Union also put into challenging Israel though out the meny proxy wars during this period of time.
                  This also doesn’t explain away the account given by doctors during the war. Here is one of them.
                  “After driving all of them into the gas chamber, the door was closed and an SS man in gas-mask threw contents of Cyclon tin through an opening in the side wall. The shouting and screaming of the victims could be heard through the opening … The shouts were hear for a very short while. I would say some minutes…”
                  (Martin Gilbert, “The Holocaust” p. 438)
                  Also as a quick by the way, Cyanide Blues generally only forum on a which contains a forum of Iron. It would need to be examined if the materials which the rooms marked Morgue 1 contained iron materials.
                  As stated before about the room explosion issue on concentrations, it needs to be mentioned the man who was smoking in the video you gave commentary on was outside the concentration of gas.
                  And as said it takes a concentration of 56,000 ppm to explode and it takes 300 to kill a human. Pressac gave that the use was around 300 ppm.
                  All the facts above make me conclude rudolf to not be a trustworthy source.

                  Also NI-9912 says the following about the Gas.
                  “Danger of explosion: 75 grams of HCN in 1 cubic meter of air. Normal application approx. 8-10 grams per cubic meter, therefore not explosive.”
                  Laying the issue on hand to rest.
                  Leuchter is also wrong on it exploding as the areas in which contains the gas is no where close to the Heat source of the Crematoriums.

                  Here are a few documents
                  “26th of February 1943, 20 after 6:00 p.m. Telegram to Topfwerke Erfurt.
                  ‘Send immediately ten gas detectors. Invoice us later. Signed, Pollok, S.S. Untersturmfuhrer.”
                  “Auschwitz, 6 March 1943. Subject: Krematoria 2 + 3. ‘In accordance with your suggestion, Cellar I should be preheated. At the same time we would ask you to send an additional quotation for the modification of the air extraction installation in the undressing room.’ S.S. Sturmfuhrer, Bischoff.”
                  “31st March 1943. ‘Three gas tight doors have been completed. We remind you of an additional order for the gas door from Krematorium III. This must be made with a spy-hole, with double 8 millimeter glass. This order is particularly urgent.’ Signed, SS Major Bischoff.”
                  The Important one is the middle one which mentions a preheat of the room, which would mean the gas would release faster… Zyklon releases faster in heated environments, but regardless of the temperature at 0*C the gas is still releasing.

                  Temperatures °c – Tor – PPM by volume

                  -20 100 132,000
                  0 260 342,000
                  10 410 540,000

                  Also Jim when it says (6%) that means 60,000 ppm which is exactly what I have been saying this entire time! This is even higher then my estimate by 4,000 ppm which doesn’t put it at 300 pmm.

                  Rudolf has proven in this video my exact point! I never said the gas or anything about the pellets didn’t explode, but regardless it’s not enough of the gas go make the roof go skyhigh. This is more of a reason why you are an idiot.

                  Also rudolf says that Krema 1 is the only one at risk of explosion. The issue here is that he has yet to prove the door between Krema 1s gas chamber and the crematorium would have lead to an explosion.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2016 @ 10:52 am

                • Doing some short videos for those with limited attention spans….

                  108 is the latest

                  101 #1

                  101 #2

                  101 #3

                  101 #4

                  101 #5

                  101 #6

                  101 #7

                  101 #8

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 9, 2016 @ 11:03 am

                • You really want to play this game? alright.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2016 @ 11:09 am

                • Poor this is the Molotov gassing footage

                  Evidence of shootings via mobile death squads.

                  And a member of this mobile deaths squads explaining what it truely was! It was not a anti – partizans act.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2016 @ 11:14 am

                • This also has no relevance to the Red Cross talking about Jews and German Jews alone.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2016 @ 8:07 pm

      • How much money, Jim?
        What are the reparations amounts for the decades of the 1950’s, 1960’s, 1970’s, 1980’s, 1990’s and 2000’s?
        How does this break down per country? Does this include Jews only or does this include other victims?
        Provide proof, Jim. Not rhetorical bullshit.

        Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 7:25 am

        • Y’all provide proven rhetorical BS and require US to come up with proof and facts, which we have. You and your buddy (of collusion), ANON are a disgrace to the principle of open and honest discourse, which requires interaction on points presented without defamatory, derisive character assassinations. Since your PC holohoax position requires no response, and is truly rhetorical: “Using language …. often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.” Also, I might add, does not require a response because the information is ALREADY KNOWN AND ACCEPTED WITHOUT ARGUMENT. You 2 believe the holohoax is a “fait accompli”. I’ll explain what that means (since ANON has gone to college and apparently skipped the English courses – must have been an honorary or ersatz degree): “… a thing that has … been decided before those affected hear about it, leaving them with no option but to accept.”

          Well, we don’t accept your bogus position based on ENORMOUS lies, conjecture and fabrications where there are too many questions, too much dodging and weaving, too much corruption, too much pandering, too much murder of innocent people by the joos.

          So, first: ““Most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…” –Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950,
          Vol. 12, p. 65.

          Second: The ‘Holocaust’ is always such an amazing disruption of the laws of physics. A unique combination of magics, impossibilities, nonsenses, blunders, cynicism, oddities, stupidities and missing links.

          Comment by Diane King — June 8, 2016 @ 9:03 am

      • Jim your an idiot, I again request an answer for my question. Give one issue with the Majdanek bunker being used for homicial perposes.

        Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 10:51 am

        • I will give you an issue with the Majdanek homicidal gas chambers. I have written many blog posts about the Majdanek gas chamber which are grouped together here: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/majdanek-gas-chamber/

          Comment by furtherglory — June 8, 2016 @ 10:59 am

          • What exactly is the main issue in the following blog. I have read it but these are simple complaints.

            A the scratch marks that I know of are only in the blue staining in Gas chamber A… I don’t know of any in B1 or B2.

            This might has been lack of attention on my part. I also don’t know of any Zyklon gassing in room A unless the furnace was used as Barbara Schwindt claims.

            “Das Düsseldorfer Landgericht stellte jedoch fest, daß es möglich gewesen sei, Zyklon B in den Lufterhitzer zu schütten und so in Kammer III, die keine Öffnung in der Decke aufweist, zu leiten. Demzufolge wäre nur Kammer III auf den Einsatz von Zyklon B beschränkt gewesen.”

            I already stated that courts didn’t fall for the Soviet’s estimates. In 1948 the court stated 360,000 dead. And 3 gas chambers proven.

            Also 1.5 million was not just Jews, just as the 4 million number from Auschwtiz was not just Jews.

            Perhaps you should read how to be a revisionist scholar… You might learn something…

            Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 11:14 am

            • *have

              Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 11:15 am

              • And it’s YOU’RE not your and college not collage…. guess college ‘ain’t what it used to be’. I realize it’s a small point, but since you tout your ‘collegeness’, I would think you’d know the basics of reading, writing and arithmetic but they don’t actually teach anything but the holohoax and feelings in college any more. Again, a slight besides the point. Response to weightier matters later.

                Comment by Diane King — June 8, 2016 @ 1:43 pm

                • “Response to weightier matters later.”

                  Oh, goody.

                  Are you actually going to say something or are you just going to quote Bradberry ad nauseum?

                  Who the hell is this guy anyway?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 1:56 pm

                • I couldn’t care about spelling outside of essays and my writings in which I care enough.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 4:30 pm

          • Can you state one issue that would provent gassings in this room Scrap?

            Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 11:28 am

  5. I see Israel has just sent us another warrior. (I knew it before opening this page, when i saw ‘110 comments.’) Good news. Jeff was running out of duck pics…😉

    Comment by hermie — June 7, 2016 @ 3:43 pm

    • I reserve those pics for you, Hermie. You are the master of the duck.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 7, 2016 @ 4:04 pm

      • You’re of course free to label any refusal of Holohoaxsters’ reverse burden of proof “ducking,” Jeff. The trick probably even impresses the most naive and least smart people reading your comments. But it leaves me cold.

        Comment by hermie — June 8, 2016 @ 6:47 am

        • Really? Because I found a special one for you.

          Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 7:20 am

          • Great! Now show us how it works you think just sprinkling zyklon-b pellets on the ground are going to miraculously turn into a killing gas and kill thousands of people in 10 to 15 minutes don’t think so. It’s amazing that the Holohucksters can present all this information and yet can’t show how did they die and the method and how they died,. Is it’s even possible that they could have been killed this way so far they haven’t done it they expect us to believe the Hocus Pocus miracles.

            http://www.wired.com/2016/06/haunting-gas-chamber-replica-remembers-holocausts-horrors/

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 7:31 am

        • “You’re of course free to label any refusal of Holohoaxsters’ reverse burden of proof “ducking,” Jeff.”

          In other words you can’t prove it and you don’t want me to ask any more.

          Sorry. If you want me to stop give me the proof I am asking for.

          Otherwise:

          Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 7:44 am

          • Stop trying to interpret others’ words with your “in other words.” You’re not intellectually equipped for that…

            Comment by hermie — June 9, 2016 @ 8:27 am

            • I’m intellectually well equipped enough to know that when Rudenko said “Soviet Citizens” he meant citizens of the Soviet Union, not foreign Jews brought in from Poland.

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 8:59 am

              • And how are you equipped to remember Borman, Seyss-Inquart and Buehler all said that the Jews not needed for labor were shipped to Far Eastern Europe and held there? Irrelevant, I guess…

                Comment by hermie — June 9, 2016 @ 3:30 pm

                • It’s been awhile, why don’t you remind me?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 11, 2016 @ 7:55 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “It’s been awhile, why don’t you remind me?”

                  Josef Buehler/Bühler:

                  DR. SEIDL: The Prosecution submitted an extract from Frank’s diary in evidence under Number USA-281 (Document Number 2233(d)-PS.) This is a discussion of Jewish problems. In this connection Frank said, among other things:

                  “My attitude towards the Jews is based on the expectation that they will disappear; they must go away. I have started negotiations for deporting them to the East. This question will be discussed at a large meeting in Berlin in January, to which I shall send State Secretary Dr. Buehler. This conference is to take place at the Reich Security Main Office in the office of SS Obergruppenfuehrer Heydrich. In any case Jewish emigration on a large scale will begin.”

                  I ask you now, did the Governor General send you to Berlin for that conference; and if so, what was the subject of the conference?

                  BUEHLER: Yes, I was sent to the conference and the subject of the conference was the Jewish problem. I might say in advance that from the beginning Jewish questions in the Government General were considered as coming under the jurisdiction of the Higher SS and Police Leader and handled accordingly. The handling of Jewish matters by the state administration was supervised and merely tolerated by the Police. […] At that moment Heydrich’s invitation to the Governor General was received. The conference was originally supposed to take place in November 1941, but it was frequently postponed and it may have taken place in February 1942.

                  Because of the special problems of the Government General I had asked Heydrich for a personal interview and he received me. On that occasion, among many other things, I described in particular the catastrophic conditions which had resulted from the arbitrary bringing of Jews into the Government General. He replied that for this very reason he had invited the Governor General to the conference. The Reichsfuehrer SS, so he said, had received an order from the Fuehrer to round up all the Jews of Europe and to settle them in the Northeast of Europe, in Russia. […] Heydrich said furthermore that the Fuehrer had given an order that Theresienstadt, a town in the Protectorate, would become a reservation in which old and sick Jews, and weak Jews who could not stand the strains of resettlement, were to be accommodated in the future. This information left me definitely convinced that the resettlement of the Jews, if not for the sake of the Jews, then for the sake of the reputation and prestige of the German people, would be carried out in a humane fashion.

                  […]

                  SMIRNOV: Then the Jewish ghettos were already empty. In that case, what happened to the Jews from Poland?

                  BUEHLER: When these Jewish ghettos were emptied, I assumed they were resettled in the northeast of Europe. The chief of the RSHA had definitely told me at the conference in February 1942 that this was the intention.

                  ************************************************************************

                  Seyss-Inquart: “In the course of 1943 I spoke with Hitler and called his attention to this problem in the Netherlands (which was the presence of large numbers of Jews in close proximity to the Dutch coast where an Allied invasion could be anticipated in the near future). In his own convincing way Hitler reassured me and at the same time admitted that he was thinking of a permanent evacuation of the Jews, if possible, from all of Europe, and from countries which Germany wanted mainly friendly relations. He wanted to have the Jews settled on the eastern border of the German sphere of interest in so far as they were not able to emigrate to other parts of the earth.”

                  Q. Did you talk with Hitler before 1943.
                  A. I was merely present when Hitler talked about these problems ( ie;- the evacuations of Jews as part of the final solution ). It was always along this line – to eliminate the Jews from the German population and to send then somewhere abroad.
                  Q. But there was no talk about destruction of the Jews?
                  A. Never.

                  ****************************************************************************

                  Martin Borman: “Starting with the territory of the Reich and proceeding to the remaining European countries included in the final solution, the Jews are currently being deported to large camps which have already been established or which are to be established in the East, where they will either be used for work or else transported still farther to the East. The old Jews as well as Jews with high military decorations [Kriegsauszeichnungen] (Iron Cross 1st Class, (E.K.I.) Golden Medal for Valor [Goldene Tapferkeitsmedaille], etc.), are currently being resettled in the city of Theresienstadt which is located in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.” (October 9, 1942)

                  Comment by hermie — June 15, 2016 @ 4:45 am

    • Or an unpaid collage student decided to fuck around… You know it doesn’t always have to have a god damn connection to Israel.

      Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 7:01 pm

      • Yes, Anonymous. The probability that Israel didn’t/doesn’t task cyber-agents with spreading Zionist Holohoax propaganda on a website as visited and read as furtherglory’s blog is very high. I cannot even believe this BS when writing it. Too ludicrous…

        Comment by hermie — June 8, 2016 @ 6:54 am

        • Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 7:21 am

          • Fortunately you have more funny pics than brain cells. That compensates. Almost…

            Comment by hermie — June 9, 2016 @ 8:20 am

            • Really?
              Because you apparently don’t know what “Soviet” and “citizens” means.

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 8:56 am

              • Yes, I know what “Soviet” and “citizens” mean. But I also know the Soviet internationalists had a very ‘flexible’ and ‘mobile’ definition of that term and everything found in a land just seized by the Bolshevist ogre was instantly Soviet. In August 1939, all the inhabitants of the Baltic States and western Belarus (Gentiles and Jews) – i.e. the locals living in the areas mentioned by Rudenko – weren’t Soviets either after all. But that was to change pretty soon. On January 16, 1943, the Soviet Government proclaimed that there were no Polish Citizens in the Soviet Union and that all the Poles in Soviet territory were Soviet citizens. Accordingly, a Polish Jew deported by the Nazis to let’s say Belarus and liberated by the Red Army there, was indeed a Soviet Citizen sensu stricto. I can understand why you desperately focus on the term ‘ Soviet citizens’ and insist that only locals could be called ‘Soviet citizens,’ but you completely misunderstand the worldview of a Soviet of that time and how the Bolshevizing Machine worked.

                Comment by hermie — June 9, 2016 @ 4:35 pm

                • Your problem is you are reading things into Rudenko’s statement that are not there.
                  We have no idea where this camp was in Belorussia, we have no idea if these people were even Jews and we sure as hell have no proof they were foreigners.

                  Plus, Belorussia was a war zone.

                  http://www.academia.edu/1211423/_Terror_and_Local_Collaboration_in_Occupied_Belarus_The_Case_of_Schutzmannschaft_Battalion_118._Part_I_Background_Nicolae_Iorga_Historical_Yearbook_Romanian_Academy_Bucharest_Vol._VIII_2011_195-214

                  Plus, Kube refused any further transports of Jews on July 31st, 1942 under the threat of elimination. This was over 1000 able-bodied Jews from Warsaw.

                  So, again, still have nothing.

                  Comment by Jeff K — June 9, 2016 @ 5:34 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “We have no idea where this camp was in Belorussia, we have no idea if these people were even Jews and we sure as hell have no proof they were foreigners.”

                  This camp? Selective memories? Rudenko talked about numerous special camps systematically established by the Germans on the Eastern front, just behind their main defense line, in several countries (not only in Belarus).

                  Jeff wrote: “Plus, Belorussia was a war zone.”

                  Are you denying that Rudenko’s special camps full of people unfit for work existed or that the inmates held there were foreign Jews? Or both?

                  Jeff wrote: “Plus, Kube refused any further transports of Jews on July 31st, 1942 under the threat of elimination.”

                  Kube’s alleged refusal is based on a dubious document. Plus Kube was not the Führer of the Third Reich. Hitler was that guy. Hitler ordered, and Kube obeyed or was transferred to a position less pleasant. That’s how it worked…

                  Comment by hermie — June 9, 2016 @ 6:39 pm

                • Your reply didn’t come through.
                  Send it again.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 7:11 pm

                • Never mind. I’ve got it. I put it at the top of the replies.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

                • “Hermie on June 9, 2016 at 6:39 pm
                  Jeff wrote: “We have no idea where this camp was in Belorussia, we have no idea if these people were even Jews and we sure as hell have no proof they were foreigners.”

                  “This camp? Selective memories? Rudenko talked about numerous special camps systematically established by the Germans on the Eastern front, just behind their main defense line, in several countries (not only in Belarus).”

                  Yes, but you specifically mentioned these camps.
                  Let’s go back to what Rudenko said:

                  “19th March, 1944, advancing Red Army units discovered, near the settlement of Osaritchi in the Region of Polesskoy in the Bielorussian S.S.R., within the limits of German defence lines, three concentration camps in which there were over 33,000 children, women and old men incapable of work”.”

                  Now, we have a statements from inmates:

                  Witness Mrs. L. Pikarski, who was liberated from the camp, testified before the Commission:-

                  “On 12th March, 1944, late in the afternoon, we, the inhabitants of the city of Jlobin, were forced to assemble within half an hour at the station Jlobin-South; here the Germans selected all the young ones and took them away. Having herded us into railroad cars, the Germans closed the doors tightly. Where we were going we didn’t know, but we all anticipated some evil. . . .
                  As we found out later on, we were driven along the Rudobelkovsky railway and unloaded late in the afternoon on 15th March. During the night, knee deep in sticky mud, we were driven into a camp. From this camp we were driven into another one. On the way the Germans beat us, and those who lagged behind were shot. One woman is walking with three children. One of the children falls down, the Germans shoot at him. Horrified, the mother and the two other children look back; these monsters, the soldiers, shoot them down one by one. The mother cries out in agony, but her shriek is interrupted by a direct shot. Another mother and son, the Boddarews, walk side by side. The child can’t stand the tiring journey and falls down. The mother bends over him, she wants to encourage him with a word, but neither the son nor the mother rose or saw the blue sky again: the Germans shot them”.

                  Mitrachovich, liberated from the camp, who was a resident of the village of Novo-Belitza, testified:-

                  “We who were sick with typhus were driven to the village of Mikul-Gorodok into a camp surrounded by barbed wire”.
                  An inhabitant of the hamlet of Novogorudok, Gavrilchik, Z.P., testified:-

                  “During three days typhus-stricken patients were brought in motor-cars into the camp with the result that many who were healthy also fell ill”.

                  So, we actually have information where these people came from.

                  Where in Belorussia are these places?

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1918%E2%80%9339)#/media/File%3ARzeczpospolita_1938.svg

                  I’ve posted a map showing Polish/Belorussia borders, circa 1939.

                  As close as I can determine, “Jlobin” is Zhlobin,
                  “Novo-Belitza” is a little harder to determine but from what I can see on-line is Gomel:

                  https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19431012&id=wl8sAAAAIBAJ&sjid=B8sEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5746,3031848&hl=en

                  And Novogorudok is Novgorod-Severskiy.

                  None of these places existed on the Polish side of the border pre-1939.
                  We also have a very specific date, March 19th, 1944.

                  So, where was the Red Army in Belorussia at that time?

                  They were still operating EAST of Minsk. The Soviets took Minsk on July 3rd, 1944 during the course of Operation Bagration:

                  http://www.historynet.com/operation-bagration-soviet-offensive-of-1944.htm

                  So, to back my point:
                  These were Soviet citizens.
                  Please concede now or continue to look foolish.
                  Nothing wrong with my intellect, I can read, look shit up and read a map.
                  Apparently you can’t. What does that say about you?

                  Jeff wrote: “Plus, Belorussia was a war zone.”

                  “Are you denying that Rudenko’s special camps full of people unfit for work existed or that the inmates held there were foreign Jews? Or both?”

                  I deny they were filled with foreign Jews.
                  I just spanked you on that issue. I would drop this line of inquiry if I was you.

                  Jeff wrote: “Plus, Kube refused any further transports of Jews on July 31st, 1942 under the threat of elimination.”

                  “Kube’s alleged refusal is based on a dubious document.”

                  What’s dubious about it, other than it confronts you with facts you’d rather not deal with?

                  “Plus Kube was not the Führer of the Third Reich. Hitler was that guy. Hitler ordered, and Kube obeyed or was transferred to a position less pleasant. That’s how it worked…””

                  Apparently it didn’t. Kube continued in his position until he was assassinated in September of 1943.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Kube

                  Now, I would believe you more if you had something to show that Himmler, Goering or Hitler overruled Kube in this matter. Or, naturally, if you provided proof that these transports continued…….

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 10, 2016 @ 10:28 am

                • Jeff wrote: “”Yes, but you specifically mentioned these camps. Let’s go back to what Rudenko said: “19th March, 1944, advancing Red Army units discovered, near the settlement of Osaritchi in the Region of Polesskoy in the Bielorussian S.S.R., within the limits of German defence lines, three concentration camps in which there were over 33,000 children, women and old men incapable of work”.”

                  That was not said by Rudenko but stated in a Soviet Nuremberg document. A detail. Just for accuracy.

                  Jeff wrote: “Now, we have a statements from inmates:”

                  Assuming testimonies can be useful to anyone other than ufologists, I fail to see how those testimonies shed light on the ethnicity and origin of the prisoners held there.

                  Jeff wrote: “Where in Belorussia are these places? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1918%E2%80%9339)#/media/File%3ARzeczpospolita_1938.svg
                  I’ve posted a map showing Polish/Belorussia borders, circa 1939. As close as I can determine, “Jlobin” is Zhlobin,
                  “Novo-Belitza” is a little harder to determine but from what I can see on-line is Gomel: And Novogorudok is Novgorod-Severskiy.
                  None of these places existed on the Polish side of the border pre-1939. We also have a very specific date, March 19th, 1944. So, where was the Red Army in Belorussia at that time? They were still operating EAST of Minsk. The Soviets took Minsk on July 3rd, 1944 during the course of Operation Bagration: So, to back my point: These were Soviet citizens. Please concede now or continue to look foolish. Nothing wrong with my intellect, I can read, look shit up and read a map. Apparently you can’t. What does that say about you?”

                  Thanks for the geography and history lesson. But when Rudenko delivered his speech/indictment, there wasn’t a single inch of Byelorussian ground that wasn’t Soviet.

                  Jeff wrote: “I deny they were filled with foreign Jews.”

                  So you don’t deny that the Red Army indeed captured such camps. Did I get that right?

                  Jeff wrote: “I just spanked you on that issue. I would drop this line of inquiry if I was you.”

                  Your problem of imaginary victories again, I’m afraid.

                  Jeff wrote: “What’s dubious about it, other than it confronts you with facts you’d rather not deal with?”

                  What’s dubious with the “certified true copy” of a document produced for a ‘trial’ 75% Jewish (according to Thomas Dodd”? Good question…

                  Jeff wrote: “Apparently it didn’t. Kube continued in his position until he was assassinated in September of 1943.”

                  Or he just never issued that ‘order’…😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 10, 2016 @ 8:47 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “”Yes, but you specifically mentioned these camps. Let’s go back to what Rudenko said: “19th March, 1944, advancing Red Army units discovered, near the settlement of Osaritchi in the Region of Polesskoy in the Bielorussian S.S.R., within the limits of German defence lines, three concentration camps in which there were over 33,000 children, women and old men incapable of work”.”

                  “That was not said by Rudenko but stated in a Soviet Nuremberg document. A detail. Just for accuracy.”

                  I stand corrected.

                  Jeff wrote: “Now, we have a statements from inmates:”

                  “Assuming testimonies can be useful to anyone other than ufologists, I fail to see how those testimonies shed light on the ethnicity and origin of the prisoners held there.”

                  Very well.
                  Prove the ethnicity and origin of the people in the camps.
                  I need to know if they were foreign Jews.

                  Jeff wrote: “Where in Belorussia are these places? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1918%E2%80%9339)#/media/File%3ARzeczpospolita_1938.svg
                  I’ve posted a map showing Polish/Belorussia borders, circa 1939. As close as I can determine, “Jlobin” is Zhlobin,
                  “Novo-Belitza” is a little harder to determine but from what I can see on-line is Gomel: And Novogorudok is Novgorod-Severskiy.
                  None of these places existed on the Polish side of the border pre-1939. We also have a very specific date, March 19th, 1944. So, where was the Red Army in Belorussia at that time? They were still operating EAST of Minsk. The Soviets took Minsk on July 3rd, 1944 during the course of Operation Bagration: So, to back my point: These were Soviet citizens. Please concede now or continue to look foolish. Nothing wrong with my intellect, I can read, look shit up and read a map. Apparently you can’t. What does that say about you?”

                  “Thanks for the geography and history lesson. But when Rudenko delivered his speech/indictment, there wasn’t a single inch of Byelorussian ground that wasn’t Soviet.”

                  The location of the camps was on Belorussian soil. Not all of that territory was Soviet controlled when the soldiers discovered the camps. A great deal of it was still in German hands. The point is, none of that territory was Polish, not pre-1939.
                  So, yes, these were truly Soviet citizens.
                  Not foreigners, though I would not discount the possibility that some percentage were Jews.

                  Jeff wrote: “I deny they were filled with foreign Jews.”

                  “So you don’t deny that the Red Army indeed captured such camps. Did I get that right?”

                  Yes. The only thing you’ve gotten right.

                  Jeff wrote: “I just spanked you on that issue. I would drop this line of inquiry if I was you.”

                  “Your problem of imaginary victories again, I’m afraid.”

                  Very well.
                  I’ve provided my evidence.
                  Your turn.

                  Jeff wrote: “What’s dubious about it, other than it confronts you with facts you’d rather not deal with?”

                  “What’s dubious with the “certified true copy” of a document produced for a ‘trial’ 75% Jewish (according to Thomas Dodd”? Good question…”

                  This Thomas Dodd?

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Dodd

                  Prove the document is a forgery.

                  Jeff wrote: “Apparently it didn’t. Kube continued in his position until he was assassinated in September of 1943.”

                  “Or he just never issued that ‘order’… ;-)”

                  Prove the document in question is a forgery.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 10, 2016 @ 9:05 pm

                • edit: a single square inch

                  Comment by hermie — June 10, 2016 @ 8:49 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “The Soviets took Minsk on July 3rd, 1944 during the course of Operation Bagration: So, to back my point: These were Soviet citizens. Please concede now or continue to look foolish.”

                  Nice boring blah blah blah. But when Rudenko delivered his statement, the entire Belarussia was Soviet. Ditto for the Baltic states, the Ukraine, and of course Russia, i.e. all the areas mentioned by Rudenko in his statement about the German special camps.

                  Jeff wrote: “Nothing wrong with my intellect, I can read, look shit up and read a map. Apparently you can’t. What does that say about you?”

                  That I’m less gullible and moronic than the Gentiles you usually bamboozle?

                  Jeff wrote: “Yes. The only thing you’ve gotten right.”

                  So stop claiming that the Germans couldn’t have had and run special camps for people unfit for work there because that was an area at war with partisan activities. Unless you plan to claim that it’s harder to held a number of Chosenites than to held the same number of Gentiles.

                  Jeff wrote: “This Thomas Dodd? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Dodd

                  Yes, this Thomas Dodd.

                  Jeff wrote: “Prove the document is a forgery.”

                  Holohoaxsters’ usual reverse burden of proof. Quite telling that you request that I prove it’s a forgery while you haven’t even tried to bring the original document on here.

                  Hope you won’t go through the same troubles as Mr. Whitlock Porter did in his quest for the Nuremberg ghost ‘documents.’

                  Carlos Whitlock Porter’s website: “The National Archives in Washington (see Telford Taylor’s Use of Captured German and Related Documents, A National Archive Conference) claim that the original documents are in The Hague. The Hague claims the original documents are in the National Archives. The Stadtarchiv Nürnberg and the Bundesarchiv Koblenz also have no original documents, and both say the original documents are in Washington. Since the originals are, in most cases, ‘copies’, there is often no proof that the documents in question ever existed.”

                  Comment by hermie — June 14, 2016 @ 9:03 am

                • https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXII.pdf

                  Page 281, German language version of Kube’s order.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 10:36 am

                • Jeff wrote: “The Soviets took Minsk on July 3rd, 1944 during the course of Operation Bagration: So, to back my point: These were Soviet citizens. Please concede now or continue to look foolish.”

                  “Nice boring blah blah blah. But when Rudenko delivered his statement, the entire Belarussia was Soviet. Ditto for the Baltic states, the Ukraine, and of course Russia, i.e. all the areas mentioned by Rudenko in his statement about the German special camps.”

                  The soldiers found those camps on pre-1939 Belorussian soil, i. e. the Belorussia admitted to the USSR in 1922. So, yes, for fuck’s sake those were SOVIET citizens. You focused on the three camps found in March 1944, you specifically focused on those camps.

                  Of course the Soviets found camps in other places, the Germans built camps in the countries they occupied. But you focused specifically on the three camps with 33,000 people. For some reason you think they were filled with foreign Jews. Fine. PROVE IT or stop wasting my time.

                  Jeff wrote: “Nothing wrong with my intellect, I can read, look shit up and read a map. Apparently you can’t. What does that say about you?”

                  “That I’m less gullible and moronic than the Gentiles you usually bamboozle?”

                  No, you simply don’t know when to quit.

                  You remind me of a poker player who insists on playing when he’s lost his money, car, house, clothes and his girlfriend.

                  I’m also a Gentile….hark, is that a subtle Hermie jab that I’m a Jew?

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                  Jeff wrote: “Yes. The only thing you’ve gotten right.”

                  “So stop claiming that the Germans couldn’t have had and run special camps for people unfit for work there because that was an area at war with partisan activities.”

                  Not claiming that at all.

                  What I’m saying is that these were locals, not foreign Jews (Belorussia).

                  Naturally in other places, the Baltics and Poland, for instance, partisans were less of an issue. We know the Germans deported foreign Jews into Poland.

                  “Unless you plan to claim that it’s harder to held a number of Chosenites than to held the same number of Gentiles.”

                  No, I’m not.

                  What I’m saying is the idea that the Germans deported large numbers of foreign Jews into the war torn areas of the USSR is ridiculous.

                  Jeff wrote: “This Thomas Dodd? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Dodd”

                  “Yes, this Thomas Dodd.”

                  What of it?

                  Jeff wrote: “Prove the document is a forgery.”

                  “Quite telling that you request that I prove it’s a forgery while you haven’t even tried to bring the original document on here.”

                  I’ve already replied with the German document.

                  Now, prove its a forgery.

                  “Hope you won’t go through the same troubles as Mr. Whitlock Porter did in his quest for the Nuremberg ghost ‘documents.’

                  Carlos Whitlock Porter’s website: “The National Archives in Washington (see Telford Taylor’s Use of Captured German and Related Documents, A National Archive Conference) claim that the original documents are in The Hague. The Hague claims the original documents are in the National Archives. The Stadtarchiv Nürnberg and the Bundesarchiv Koblenz also have no original documents, and both say the original documents are in Washington. Since the originals are, in most cases, ‘copies’, there is often no proof that the documents in question ever existed.””

                  I don’t give a shit.

                  Prove that Kube’s order is a forgery. I’ve provided the untranslated document.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 12:06 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “The soldiers found those camps on pre-1939 Belorussian soil, i. e. the Belorussia admitted to the USSR in 1922. So, yes, for fuck’s sake those were SOVIET citizens. You focused on the three camps found in March 1944, you specifically focused on those camps. Of course the Soviets found camps in other places, the Germans built camps in the countries they occupied. But you focused specifically on the three camps with 33,000 people. For some reason you think they were filled with foreign Jews. Fine. PROVE IT or stop wasting my time.”

                  Everybody found in a land captured and turned into a workers’ heaven by the Red Armies was a Soviet Citizen. Not sure Rudenko and his Imperialist friends were as restrictive as yourself in their definition and use of the name ‘Soviet Citizens.’

                  Jeff wrote: “What I’m saying is that these were locals, not foreign Jews (Belorussia).”

                  Are you claiming that you’ve never said in the past that running concentration camps in such a turbulent area, would have been impossible???

                  Jeff wrote: “What of it?”

                  Scroll up…

                  Jeff wrote: “Prove that Kube’s order is a forgery. I’ve provided the untranslated document.”

                  An untranslated ‘certified true copy’ of a document from a mock trial of a gang of defeated leaders is an original document??? Remind me the name of the college where you studied?!

                  Comment by hermie — June 14, 2016 @ 3:59 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “The soldiers found those camps on pre-1939 Belorussian soil, i. e. the Belorussia admitted to the USSR in 1922. So, yes, for fuck’s sake those were SOVIET citizens. You focused on the three camps found in March 1944, you specifically focused on those camps. Of course the Soviets found camps in other places, the Germans built camps in the countries they occupied. But you focused specifically on the three camps with 33,000 people. For some reason you think they were filled with foreign Jews. Fine. PROVE IT or stop wasting my time.”

                  “Everybody found in a land captured and turned into a workers’ heaven by the Red Armies was a Soviet Citizen. Not sure Rudenko and his Imperialist friends were as restrictive as yourself in their definition and use of the name ‘Soviet Citizens.’”

                  They didn’t have to be for these camps. The camps found in Belorussia were on pre-war Belorussian soil.

                  As I’ve proved. Repeatedly.

                  Jeff wrote: “What I’m saying is that these were locals, not foreign Jews (Belorussia).”

                  “Are you claiming that you’ve never said in the past that running concentration camps in such a turbulent area, would have been impossible???”

                  I’m saying the Germans wouldn’t ship foreign Jews into these areas because of the conditions.
                  Prove otherwise.

                  Jeff wrote: “What of it?”

                  “Scroll up…”

                  Again, what of it?

                  Jeff wrote: “Prove that Kube’s order is a forgery. I’ve provided the untranslated document.”

                  “An untranslated ‘certified true copy’ of a document from a mock trial of a gang of defeated leaders is an original document??? Remind me the name of the college where you studied?!”

                  Hark, a Hermie duck:

                  I said prove the document is a forgery, not jibber jabber at me in denial speak.

                  Prove the camps in Belorussia were filled with foreign Jews.
                  Prove Kube’s document is a forgery.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 6:10 pm

                • Jeff wrote: “They didn’t have to be for these camps. The camps found in Belorussia were on pre-war Belorussian soil. As I’ve proved. Repeatedly.”

                  Too bad Comrade Rudenko didn’t state that before the war.😉

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m saying the Germans wouldn’t ship foreign Jews into these areas because of the conditions. Prove otherwise.”

                  Since you didn’t successfully prove the Jews unneeded in German factories were indeed mass slaughtered in gas chambers, that (i.e. the shipment of the unneeded Jews to those areas) is a possibility, among others, which remains plausible. The people claiming those Jews were in fact butchered in large gas chambers, are the accusers, and the burden of proof lies on them for obvious reasons.

                  Jeff wrote: “Again, what of it?”

                  Jew-loving insider Thomas Dodd thought the staff at the Nuremberg mock trials was 75% Jewish. Need to explain why anti-Semitic leaders can’t/couldn’t get a fair trial from a Jewish court???

                  Jeff wrote: “Hark, a Hermie duck:”

                  Requesting an original document before talking about its content, is ‘ducking’?!?😮

                  Very telling about your evidential standards and methodology…

                  Jeff wrote: “I said prove the document is a forgery, not jibber jabber at me in denial speak.”

                  Why should I prove a document you didn’t even provide is forgery?

                  Comment by hermie — June 15, 2016 @ 4:27 am

                • Jeff wrote: “They didn’t have to be for these camps. The camps found in Belorussia were on pre-war Belorussian soil. As I’ve proved. Repeatedly.”

                  “Too bad Comrade Rudenko didn’t state that before the war. ;-)”

                  He didn’t have to. Belorussia “joined” the USSR in 1922. So, again, anyone living there was a Soviet citizen.
                  As I’ve said. Repeatedly.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m saying the Germans wouldn’t ship foreign Jews into these areas because of the conditions. Prove otherwise.”

                  “Since you didn’t successfully prove the Jews unneeded in German factories were indeed mass slaughtered in gas chambers, that (i.e. the shipment of the unneeded Jews to those areas) is a possibility, among others, which remains plausible. The people claiming those Jews were in fact butchered in large gas chambers, are the accusers, and the burden of proof lies on them for obvious reasons.”

                  Jeff wrote: “Again, what of it?”

                  “Jew-loving insider Thomas Dodd thought the staff at the Nuremberg mock trials was 75% Jewish. Need to explain why anti-Semitic leaders can’t/couldn’t get a fair trial from a Jewish court???”

                  The key is he “thought.” “Thought” is not “proof.”
                  Did he check everyone’s schmeckel to see if it was clipped?
                  Again, in the end, irrelevant.

                  Jeff wrote: “Hark, a Hermie duck:”

                  “Requesting an original document before talking about its content, is ‘ducking’?!? :-o”

                  I gave you the translation and the untranslated German text. What else do you want.

                  “Very telling about your evidential standards and methodology…”

                  Jeff wrote: “I said prove the document is a forgery, not jibber jabber at me in denial speak.”

                  “Why should I prove a document you didn’t even provide is forgery?”

                  I did. It’s in the IMT documents I posted, page 281.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 7:04 am

                • Jeff wrote: “They didn’t have to be for these camps. The camps found in Belorussia were on pre-war Belorussian soil. As I’ve proved. Repeatedly.”

                  “Too bad Comrade Rudenko didn’t state that before the war. ;-)”

                  He didn’t have to. Belorussia “joined” the USSR in 1922. So, again, anyone living there was a Soviet citizen.
                  As I’ve said. Repeatedly.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m saying the Germans wouldn’t ship foreign Jews into these areas because of the conditions. Prove otherwise.”

                  “Since you didn’t successfully prove the Jews unneeded in German factories were indeed mass slaughtered in gas chambers, that (i.e. the shipment of the unneeded Jews to those areas) is a possibility, among others, which remains plausible. The people claiming those Jews were in fact butchered in large gas chambers, are the accusers, and the burden of proof lies on them for obvious reasons.”

                  Jeff wrote: “Again, what of it?”

                  “Jew-loving insider Thomas Dodd thought the staff at the Nuremberg mock trials was 75% Jewish. Need to explain why anti-Semitic leaders can’t/couldn’t get a fair trial from a Jewish court???”

                  The key is he “thought.” “Thought” is not “proof.”
                  Did he check everyone’s schmeckel to see if it was clipped?
                  Again, in the end, irrelevant.

                  Jeff wrote: “Hark, a Hermie duck:”

                  “Requesting an original document before talking about its content, is ‘ducking’?!? :-o”

                  I gave you the translation and the untranslated German text. What else do you want.

                  “Very telling about your evidential standards and methodology…”

                  Jeff wrote: “I said prove the document is a forgery, not jibber jabber at me in denial speak.”

                  “Why should I prove a document you didn’t even provide is forgery?”

                  I did. It’s in the IMT documents I posted, page 281.

                  If you didn’t get it I’ll post it again.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 7:05 am

                • Jeff K. on June 14, 2016 at 10:36 am
                  https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXII.pdf

                  Page 281, German language version of Kube’s order.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 7:08 am

                • Jeff wrote: “He didn’t have to. Belorussia “joined” the USSR in 1922. So, again, anyone living there was a Soviet citizen.
                  As I’ve said. Repeatedly.”

                  And after WW2 the whole of Belarussia was within the USSR. As shown above, during WW2, the USSR governement had decreed that there were no Polish citizens on Soviet soil and that any ‘Polish Citizen’ on Soviet soil was in fact a Soviet Citizen. Be sure that was also true for the other foreigners (at least those from lands regarded by the Soviets as within their own sphere of influence) on Soviet soil at that time. The Soviet Union ceased to recognise the Polish state at the start of the Soviet invasion of Poland in mid-September 1939. From the start of the Soviet invasion of Poland, the Politburo called the operation a “liberation campaign,” and later Soviet statements and publications never wavered from that line. Soviet propaganda always portrayed the Soviet 1939 invasion as a reunification of the Belarussian and Ukrainian peoples and a liberation of the Polish people from “oligarchic capitalism.” The Soviet authorities even denied the existence of the secret protocols of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact until 1989. In short, for a Globalist Soviet (sorry for the redundancy), there were only 3 kinds of people: the Soviet Citizens, the not-yet Soviet Citizens, and the evil Capitalist Oligarchs to be lined up in front of open pits and shot for workers’ sake, for proletarian liberation. I can understand why you insist on your narrow definition of a Soviet Citizen, but I think you’re deeply wrong about that.

                  Jeff wrote: “The key is he “thought.” “Thought” is not “proof.” Did he check everyone’s schmeckel to see if it was clipped? Again, in the end, irrelevant.”

                  Inconvenient so irrelevant. As usually…

                  I didn’t say that it was a proof of anything, but I think Dodd was right nevertheless.

                  As long as you keep denying that Ashkenazi Jews are a specific race with distinguishable facies and morphological features, you’ll continue to post absurd things such as “did he check everyone’s dick?”. Fortunately, in the 1940’s, most people (including many Jews) used to regard Jews as a race and knew how to identify a Jew at first sight.

                  Jeff wrote: “I gave you the translation and the untranslated German text. What else do you want.

                  Time to have a look at your university textbooks and look for the definition of ‘original.’😉

                  Jeff wrote: “I did. It’s in the IMT documents I posted, page 281.”

                  No, you didn’t. A “certified true copy” of a military mock trial is nothing but a piece of paper produced by a gang of victors with an ax to grind, one of the lowest forms of ‘evidence’, just above the court testimony…

                  Jeff wrote: “If you didn’t get it I’ll post it again.”

                  Don’t worry. I had got it very well. I was just laughing at your evidential standards…😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 16, 2016 @ 12:53 am

                • Jeff wrote: “He didn’t have to. Belorussia “joined” the USSR in 1922. So, again, anyone living there was a Soviet citizen.
                  As I’ve said. Repeatedly.”

                  “And after WW2 the whole of Belarussia was within the USSR. As shown above, during WW2, the USSR governement had decreed that there were no Polish citizens on Soviet soil and that any ‘Polish Citizen’ on Soviet soil was in fact a Soviet Citizen. Be sure that was also true for the other foreigners (at least those from lands regarded by the Soviets as within their own sphere of influence) on Soviet soil at that time. The Soviet Union ceased to recognise the Polish state at the start of the Soviet invasion of Poland in mid-September 1939. From the start of the Soviet invasion of Poland, the Politburo called the operation a “liberation campaign,” and later Soviet statements and publications never wavered from that line. Soviet propaganda always portrayed the Soviet 1939 invasion as a reunification of the Belarussian and Ukrainian peoples and a liberation of the Polish people from “oligarchic capitalism.” The Soviet authorities even denied the existence of the secret protocols of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact until 1989. In short, for a Globalist Soviet (sorry for the redundancy), there were only 3 kinds of people: the Soviet Citizens, the not-yet Soviet Citizens, and the evil Capitalist Oligarchs to be lined up in front of open pits and shot for workers’ sake, for proletarian liberation. I can understand why you insist on your narrow definition of a Soviet Citizen, but I think you’re deeply wrong about that.”

                  Very well. Prove that the people found by the Soviets were not Soviet citizens.

                  Jeff wrote: “The key is he “thought.” “Thought” is not “proof.” Did he check everyone’s schmeckel to see if it was clipped? Again, in the end, irrelevant.”

                  “Inconvenient so irrelevant. As usually…

                  I didn’t say that it was a proof of anything, but I think Dodd was right nevertheless.”

                  You “think.” That is not a point in your favor.

                  “As long as you keep denying that Ashkenazi Jews are a specific race with distinguishable facies and morphological features, you’ll continue to post absurd things such as “did he check everyone’s dick?”. Fortunately, in the 1940’s, most people (including many Jews) used to regard Jews as a race and knew how to identify a Jew at first sight.”

                  If everyone knew who a Jew was, why make them wear yellow stars?

                  Jeff wrote: “I gave you the translation and the untranslated German text. What else do you want.

                  “Time to have a look at your university textbooks and look for the definition of ‘original.’ ;-)”

                  I’m sorry, I don’t have access to an original. Even if I did have an original, unless I hand deliver it to you I’d still have to make some sort of copy for you to see here, so, in essence you’d still be looking at a fucking COPY.
                  All this jibber jabber means you don’t have shit.
                  Prove that the document is a forgery.

                  Jeff wrote: “I did. It’s in the IMT documents I posted, page 281.”

                  “No, you didn’t. A “certified true copy” of a military mock trial is nothing but a piece of paper produced by a gang of victors with an ax to grind, one of the lowest forms of ‘evidence’, just above the court testimony…”

                  So again, you have no proof that anything is forged, you are simply saying it is forged. That’s convenient.
                  Prove it.

                  Jeff wrote: “If you didn’t get it I’ll post it again.”

                  “Don’t worry. I had got it very well. I was just laughing at your evidential standards…”

                  Prove that the document is a forgery.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 4:39 am

                • Jef wrote: “Very well. Prove that the people found by the Soviets were not Soviet citizens.”

                  ‘Not Soviet citizens’ according to your narrow ignorant definition of a Soviet Citizen? Or ‘not Soviet citizens’ according to a Soviet of the early 20th century’s definition of that term?

                  Jeff wrote: “You “think.” That is not a point in your favor.”

                  I think that because of the lack of physical evidence for the ‘Holocaust’ and because the alternative ‘Himmler must have done it in secret’ is too extravagant for me.

                  Jeff wrote: “If everyone knew who a Jew was, why make them wear yellow stars?”

                  Because the Germans couldn’t afford agitation by Jews not looking very Jewish during a world war of gigantic dimensions.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m sorry, I don’t have access to an original. Even if I did have an original, unless I hand deliver it to you I’d still have to make some sort of copy for you to see here, so, in essence you’d still be looking at a fucking COPY.”

                  I had already realized that. But I thought you could contact archives at Washington, the Hague and other places, and tell me where I can see the original document.

                  Jeff wrote: “All this jibber jabber means you don’t have shit. Prove that the document is a forgery.”

                  Yes, I have nothing because you’ve so far refused or failed to ‘unearth’ the original document on which your claim is based.

                  Jeff wrote: “So again, you have no proof that anything is forged, you are simply saying it is forged. That’s convenient.
                  Prove it.”

                  You’ve relapsed, Jeff. Nobody needs to disprove unfounded claims. Accusers need to prove their claims with reliable evidence, i.e. in this case with the original Kube document. Normal burden of proof, remember?

                  Jeff wrote: “Prove that the document is a forgery.”

                  Isn’t your patent inability to bring more than a ‘certified true copy’ from a biased ‘trial’ probative and telling enough?😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 16, 2016 @ 8:32 pm

                • Maybe one of these days Jeff will see he and his fellow Holohucksters have to prove the HoloHoax happened not us.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 8:48 pm

                • Jef wrote: “Very well. Prove that the people found by the Soviets were not Soviet citizens.”

                  ‘Not Soviet citizens’ according to your narrow ignorant definition of a Soviet Citizen? Or ‘not Soviet citizens’ according to a Soviet of the early 20th century’s definition of that term?

                  You know what that looks like?

                  Jeff wrote: “You “think.” That is not a point in your favor.”

                  “I think that because of the lack of physical evidence for the ‘Holocaust’ and because the alternative ‘Himmler must have done it in secret’ is too extravagant for me.”

                  Very well.
                  We’ll start small.
                  Denier “theory” states that the Jews were transported to the East.
                  Prove that the people found in Rudenko’s camps were foreign Jews.

                  Jeff wrote: “If everyone knew who a Jew was, why make them wear yellow stars?”

                  “Because the Germans couldn’t afford agitation by Jews not looking very Jewish during a world war of gigantic dimensions.”

                  But I thought mankind possesed the super power to spot Jews instantly.
                  Wait, did the dawning of the atomic age strip us of this amazing ability?
                  Well, crap. That sucks.

                  Jeff wrote: “I’m sorry, I don’t have access to an original. Even if I did have an original, unless I hand deliver it to you I’d still have to make some sort of copy for you to see here, so, in essence you’d still be looking at a fucking COPY.”

                  “I had already realized that. But I thought you could contact archives at Washington, the Hague and other places, and tell me where I can see the original document.”

                  Sorry, this more of a hobby than a career. You can, if you like.

                  Jeff wrote: “All this jibber jabber means you don’t have shit. Prove that the document is a forgery.”

                  “Yes, I have nothing because you’ve so far refused or failed to ‘unearth’ the original document on which your claim is based.”

                  Apparently Mattogono and Graf believe it is genuine because they butchered it to make a point.
                  Who are you to question their mad skills?

                  Jeff wrote: “So again, you have no proof that anything is forged, you are simply saying it is forged. That’s convenient.
                  Prove it.”

                  “You’ve relapsed, Jeff. Nobody needs to disprove unfounded claims. Accusers need to prove their claims with reliable evidence, i.e. in this case with the original Kube document. Normal burden of proof, remember?”

                  Oh, hark.

                  Jeff wrote: “Prove that the document is a forgery.”

                  “Isn’t your patent inability to bring more than a ‘certified true copy’ from a biased ‘trial’ probative and telling enough? ;-)”

                  No.
                  What I see is an inability to disprove a document, a document considered genuine enough to be tampered with to make a denier point.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 6:19 am

        • I never said they did, I just mean that not everyone who challenges you has to have a connection with Israel… Idiot.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 10:49 am

          • And then they wonder why those who “criticize Israel” are considered antisemitic.

            Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 11:20 am

            • Oh great, guess I shouldn’t keep making fake emails… Not people are using my name…

              Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 11:24 am

          • I have not yet seen any challenge so far. Only the usual Holohoax conspiracy theory’s smoke and mirrors.

            Comment by hermie — June 9, 2016 @ 8:24 am

            • Well, you seem to be challenged on the issue of Rudenko’s camps.

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 12:23 pm

        • Also don’t act like you people are fucking invisible to the world, just search Majdanek and one of the firsts sites to be listed is scraps. It’s very easy to find this WordPress as well.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 11:31 am

          • Germar Rudolf Zyclon B video

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 12:02 pm

            • Germar rudolf has said he was more then willing to lie in a court of law.

              Rudolf refiened to look seriously into Auschwits like Pressac. As well the institute for Forensic research shows some of his writings to be incorrect. As an example with Block 11 Rudolf claims to have found no cyanide residue, but the Institute for Forensic Research found Cyanide residue on the walls of block 11. Pressacs book does a great job of refuting deniers on Auschwtiz.

              Pressacs book only has two issues.

              1) He made the same assumptions leuchter in saying HCN was heavier then air. In his refutation to leuchter he corrected this.

              2) He is claimed to has misidentified a photograph.

              Unlike Fred and Rudolf Pressac actually has the archives of Auschwtiz on his side.

              This is also ignoring the request for shower heads to be sent to the crematorium. The request for a gas tight door for a ‘morgue’ as well gas detectors for a morgue. As well ventilation. Rudolf tries to play this ventilation system as weak but it’s a stong force ventilation system.

              Rudolf also doesn’t exactly give the credit needed to weathering and its effects on the amount of HCN being found inside the gas chambers. As mentioned on Nizkor the room known as morgue 1 in Crematorium 2 and the same for crematorium 3 are flooded with up to 3ft of water quite often and HCN is very susceptible to wet environments. Prussian blue is also as well, this is why rudolf doesn’t exactly say there has to be Prussian blue on the walls. He may understand more about chemistry then most revisionist, but he also is known for lying about quite a bit when it comes to HCN and its evaporation temperatures. HCN will easily be released at below -10 degrees Celsius. Generally the retort from deniers who are a bit more sane then Rudolf will say HCNs boiling point is of issue.

              I think you should most likely read Chemestry is not the science.

              I personally believe Rudolf convinced himself of what he believes completely based on the lack of evidence which he actually searched out. He wasn’t like Pressac searching though the Russian archives. It’s honestly a shame. He also claims a huge conspiracy of two powers which are both claimed to have been run by the Jews and are supposedly still run by the Jews, but were Cold War enemies. This also doesn’t explain the amount of resources the Soviet Union also put into challenging Israel though out the meny proxy wars during this period of time.

              This also doesn’t explain away the account given by doctors during the war. Here is one of them.

              “After driving all of them into the gas chamber, the door was closed and an SS man in gas-mask threw contents of Cyclon tin through an opening in the side wall. The shouting and screaming of the victims could be heard through the opening … The shouts were hear for a very short while. I would say some minutes…”

              (Martin Gilbert, “The Holocaust” p. 438)

              Also as a quick by the way, Cyanide Blues generally only forum on a which contains a forum of Iron. It would need to be examined if the materials which the rooms marked Morgue 1 contained iron materials.

              As stated before about the room explosion issue on concentrations, it needs to be mentioned the man who was smoking in the video you gave commentary on was outside the concentration of gas.

              And as said it takes a concentration of 56,000 ppm to explode and it takes 300 to kill a human. Pressac gave that the use was around 300 ppm.

              All the facts above make me conclude rudolf to not be a trustworthy source.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 5:16 pm

              • *Refused

                Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 5:21 pm

            • Also NI-9912 says the following about the Gas.

              “Danger of explosion: 75 grams of HCN in 1 cubic meter of air. Normal application approx. 8-10 grams per cubic meter, therefore not explosive.”

              Laying the issue on hand to rest.

              Leuchter is also wrong on it exploding as the areas in which contains the gas is no where close to the Heat source of the Crematoriums.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 6:18 pm

            • Also a bit more on NI-9912 Codoh used to have it archived on their website and they have taken it down in recent years. If you are interested you can read it here.
              https://web.archive.org/web/20110608083417/http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconzyklon.html

              Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 6:25 pm

            • Here are a few documents

              “26th of February 1943, 20 after 6:00 p.m. Telegram to Topfwerke Erfurt.
              ‘Send immediately ten gas detectors. Invoice us later. Signed, Pollok, S.S. Untersturmfuhrer.”

              “Auschwitz, 6 March 1943. Subject: Krematoria 2 + 3. ‘In accordance with your suggestion, Cellar I should be preheated. At the same time we would ask you to send an additional quotation for the modification of the air extraction installation in the undressing room.’ S.S. Sturmfuhrer, Bischoff.”

              “31st March 1943. ‘Three gas tight doors have been completed. We remind you of an additional order for the gas door from Krematorium III. This must be made with a spy-hole, with double 8 millimeter glass. This order is particularly urgent.’ Signed, SS Major Bischoff.”

              The Important one is the middle one which mentions a preheat of the room, which would mean the gas would release faster… Zyklon releases faster in heated environments, but regardless of the temperature at 0*C the Tor is 260 and or stated better at 342,000 ppm (by volume). It not being by such means it would be 342 ppm… it only takes 200 ppm to kill someone and pressac states 300 ppm. Also around 10 degrees Celsius it would be 410 Tor or 540,000 ppm (by volume) aka 540 ppm.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 6:54 pm

            • Also Jim when it says (6%) that means 60,000 ppm which is exactly what I have been saying this entire time! This is even higher then my estimate by 4,000 ppm which doesn’t put it at 300 pmm.

              Rudolf has proven in this video my exact point! I never said the gas or anything about the pellets didn’t explode, but regardless it’s not enough of the gas go make the roof go skyhigh. This is more of a reason why you are an idiot.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 9, 2016 @ 4:50 am

            • The formatting of this discussion is annoying. I wanted to add something to what Jim Rizoli said above but will do so here: “Maybe one of these days Jeff will see he and his fellow Holohucksters have to prove the HoloHoax happened, not us.” He has mentioned this before, but unlike the Soviets or French, our justice system requires one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof, therefore, is on the prosecutor – you in this case. We as the defense (and for the Germans) don’t have to prove anything except to dispute the meager claims you make. So when you say, “You haven’t shown us _____” or “proven _____”. We don’t have to. YOU have accused the Germans, that makes them the defendants and we their defense attorneys. We can provide counter arguments, but YOU must prove guilt and so far, YOU HAVEN’T.

              Comment by Diane King — June 17, 2016 @ 6:13 pm

              • “The formatting of this discussion is annoying.”

                Don’t be grouchy at me, I have nothing to do with it.

                “I wanted to add something to what Jim Rizoli said”

                Oh, yay!!!!!!!

                “above but will do so here: “Maybe one of these days Jeff will see he and his fellow Holohucksters have to prove the HoloHoax happened, not us.” He has mentioned this before, but unlike the Soviets or French, our justice system requires one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof, therefore, is on the prosecutor – you in this case. We as the defense”

                This analogy is silly.

                “(and for the Germans)”

                The Germans don’t need your help. Most of them have made peace with what happened a long time ago.

                “don’t have to prove anything except to dispute the meager claims you make. So when you say, “You haven’t shown us _____” or “proven _____”. We don’t have to.”

                Yeah, ya kinda do.
                You are offering an alternative view of history. It is incumbent on you to prove it.

                “YOU have accused the Germans,”

                I haven’t “accused” anyone of anything. The facts were proven a long time ago.

                “that makes them the defendants”

                Again, that’s just silly.

                “and we their defense attorneys.”

                That’s even sillier.

                “We can provide counter arguments, but YOU must prove guilt and so far, YOU HAVEN’T.”

                You mean like the falsified evidence Mattogono and Graf put in their crappy book?

                Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 8:13 pm

                • On the Contrary, THE ANALOGY IS PERFECT.

                  Your almighty judgments, deciding what is viable is rather arrogant. Taking my comments piece by piece and passing your meager judgment on them is trivial and tacky. The Germans have been wrongly charged, tried in a bogus international court and sentenced, executed with an endless reparations bill attached to them for which they are supposed to pay up forever and ever.

                  YOU and your ilk holohoaxters are continually attempting to retry the Germans with the same falsified information as the first time despite the fact that a massive amount of so-called evidence against them was PROVEN to be WRONG/ FALSE/ LIES/ FABRICATIONS. That means in the US jurisprudence, as I stated, the burden of proof to find them guilty is YOURS. But THIS TIME, you won’t be able to pass off this spurious information and ‘testimonies’ – it won’t work. In other words, without the treachery, you won’t be able to make your case.

                  AND you can’t arbitrarily discount and disqualify those who have done CONSIDERABLY more VALID research than you. You are not qualified to be judge, prosecutor, jury and executioner. BUT ANYONE can be a defense attorney in the sense of standing up for what is right against the prevailing SHAM-meisters or holohoaxters. That’s what Mattogno, Graf, Leuchter, Rudolf, Faurisson, Toben and MANY OTHERS as well as we have done and are doing.

                  Oh, one more thing about your so-called fraudulent witness testimonies: “Most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…” –Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p6.

                  Comment by Diane King — June 20, 2016 @ 8:30 am

                • “On the Contrary, THE ANALOGY IS PERFECT.”

                  No, it sucks.

                  “Your almighty judgments, deciding what is viable is rather arrogant.”

                  I’ll reply in any manner I see fit.

                  “Taking my comments piece by piece and passing your meager judgment on them is trivial and tacky.”

                  Well, I can be tacky on occasion. It’s part of my charm.

                  “The Germans have been wrongly charged, tried in a bogus international court and sentenced, executed with an endless reparations bill attached to them for which they are supposed to pay up forever and ever.”

                  Proof of this “endless reparations bill?”
                  The rest isn’t worth replying to.

                  “YOU and your ilk holohoaxters are continually attempting to retry the Germans with the same falsified information as the first time despite the fact that a massive amount of so-called evidence against them was PROVEN to be WRONG/ FALSE/ LIES/ FABRICATIONS.”

                  Apparently Mattogono and Graf didn’t have a problem with using falsified information. They simply “falsified” it further.

                  “That means in the US jurisprudence, as I stated, the burden of proof to find them guilty is YOURS.”

                  There is no “guilty.” There is no “trial.”
                  This is all history. History proved what the Nazis did. Your warped vision is all smoke and mirrors.

                  “But THIS TIME, you won’t be able to pass off this spurious information and ‘testimonies’ – it won’t work. In other words, without the treachery, you won’t be able to make your case.”

                  Diane, this getting tiresome. I very rarely use testimonies when I make points. I generally use documents or the Nazis own words.

                  “AND you can’t arbitrarily discount and disqualify those who have done CONSIDERABLY more VALID research than you.”

                  Valid? You mean like deliberately altering a document showing the mass murder of Jews in the Minsk region to show 1000 Jews sent to assist the Wehrmacht?

                  “You are not qualified to be judge, prosecutor, jury and executioner. BUT ANYONE can be a defense attorney in the sense of standing up for what is right”

                  Pure silliness.

                  “against the prevailing SHAM-meisters or holohoaxters. That’s what Mattogno, Graf, Leuchter, Rudolf, Faurisson, Toben and MANY OTHERS as well as we have done and are doing.”

                  They all lost credibility with me (not that they really had any credibility with me to begin with) when I found Mattogono and Graf’s fraud.

                  “Oh, one more thing about your so-called fraudulent witness testimonies: “Most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…” –Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p6.”

                  You’ve said that about 100 times already.
                  You know what?
                  I still don’t give a shit.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 20, 2016 @ 9:01 am

        • Base Rate Fallacy, meet Hermie, your stalker, er, secret admirer.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 12:44 pm

          • To be honest it’s really only a cover name.

            Comment by Anonymous. — June 8, 2016 @ 5:49 pm

          • Waw! It seems I’m a star in Israel…

            Comment by hermie — June 10, 2016 @ 8:53 pm

            • The Isrealis think you are a non-kosher delight.

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 10, 2016 @ 10:13 pm

  6. Quote from the foul-mouthed “Anonymous”
    [quote]
    Anton Thernes, a Majdanek camp worker testified for gassing in the camp. Plain and simple, and the Soviet’s findings of 5 Carbon Monoxide canisters in the camp are another thing to provide evidence. History has already prove this camp to be a station of extermination with also the testimonies of Stetdiener and Atrokhov prove the use of gas vans which is supported up by plenty more testimonies and the convictions at the trials.

    Simply put your the one making the fucking claim, I narrowed it down to one gas chamber to make this simple. Now I state again my idiotic friend. Give one reason majdaneks bunker was unable to be used for homicial perposes.
    [/quote]

    Anton Thernes was tried in the first Soviet Majdanek Trials where it was said that the Germans had murdered about 2 million people in Majdanek. He was one of the first executed (12/03/1944) in these ridiculous phony Soviet show trials against Germans. The “Carbon Monoxide” canisters on display at the camp for over 50 years were actually Carbon Dioxide tanks:

    https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/majdanek-gas-chamber/

    The testimony of Stetdiener (Polish army) and Atrokhov (Soviet POW) don’t “prove” jack-shit, kid. NO ONE takes the Polish-Soviet Extraordinary Commission seriously, kid. And this is not the place for a naive, foul-mouthed, child-like “believer” to spout off with this garbage – which NO ONE believes. Do you think 2 million people were gassed at Majdanek, kid? What else do you think might be wrong with this nonsense? Maybe the whole gassing claim itself? Maybe just about anything and everything from these trials?

    Comment by blake121666 — June 7, 2016 @ 9:31 am

    • “Anton Thernes was tried in the first Soviet Majdanek Trials where it was said that the Germans had murdered about 2 million people in Majdanek. He was one of the first executed (12/03/1944) in these ridiculous phony Soviet show trials against Germans.”

      There were actually 4 Majdanek Trials:
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdanek_trials
      The first two were Soviet/Polish trials, in the first trial all those convicted were hung.
      The second Majdanek Trial seven of the convicted, the others given prison sentences. Some of the death sentences were commuted.
      The Third set of trials in West Germany was something of a joke, the defendants were given nominal sentences, including one of the defendants getting his social security and pension.

      The Soviets often exaggerated the number of dead, primarily due to the desire to use the number of dead for propaganda purposes and frankly, really crappy investigative methods. They also lumped victims together and didn’t differentiate between Jew, Pole, etc.
      That doesn’t mean that they were wrong. Even propaganda and exaggerations often have a grain of truth in them. That’s what makes effective propaganda.

      “The “Carbon Monoxide” canisters on display at the camp for over 50 years were actually Carbon Dioxide tanks:”

      Carbon Dioxide is also deadly. Any physician, chemist or biologist can tell you that.

      “The testimony of Stetdiener (Polish army) and Atrokhov (Soviet POW) don’t “prove” jack-shit, kid. NO ONE takes the Polish-Soviet Extraordinary Commission seriously, kid.”

      Why?

      “And this is not the place for a naive, foul-mouthed, child-like “believer” to spout off with this garbage – which NO ONE believes. Do you think 2 million people were gassed at Majdanek, kid?”

      Anonymous doesn’t. I don’t, either. The number is irrelevant.

      “What else do you think might be wrong with this nonsense? Maybe the whole gassing claim itself?”

      No.
      However, if you can provide evidence that the Germans sent the Jews East I’m willing to listen.

      “Maybe just about anything and everything from these trials?”

      All of the trials? Or just the Soviet/Polish ones?

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 7, 2016 @ 10:08 am

      • It is not alleged that the German gassing was done by CO2. As a matter of fact, the phony Polish-Soviet Commission trial we are speaking about alleges that corpses were examined and had the characteristic CO poisoning traits. Murder by CO2 would be done entirely differently than any of the allegations tossed around about the alleged German homicidal gas chambers. The story made up about the Germans was that they used CO in some alleged gassings and Zyklon (cyanide) in others. Both allegations are made about Majdanek – strangely enough.

        All trials by the victors of the conquered are, of course, suspect. The Polish-Soviet Commission Trials are generally discredited by Western historians. Bringing these sorts of matters up in the way “Anonymous” is doing here is a disgrace to himself and any cause he might think he is working toward. He treats others the way he should be treated if those doing the treating of his nonsense were as low-class as he.

        Comment by blake121666 — June 7, 2016 @ 10:35 am

        • He most likely doesn’t know Majdanek, it also doesn’t change the idea that again it was a museum prop. It also could be mislabeled on the part of T4 for secrecy reasons.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 10:56 am

          • Majdanek is the camp I know least about, I will plead ignorance on this one.
            I haven’t found a lot of good literature on Majdanek.

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 7, 2016 @ 11:24 am

            • Ill talk with you later on it.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 11:35 am

              • Got the book in my hands right now…
                Majdanek…..read until you get it right…
                http://vho.org/GB/Books/ccm/

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — June 7, 2016 @ 11:38 am

                • A real book, Jim, not something I’d line my son’s bird cage with.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 7, 2016 @ 11:41 am

                • I have most of the Holocaust handbooks in hard copy, over thirty books. Plus the pdfs
                  https://archive.org/details/Holocaust_Handbooks
                  There are some new ones that I need to get. These are the best books out there and what is funny you never hear of them because the HoloHuxstwers don’t want anyone knowing about them.
                  For sure these are the best collection of revisionist thoughts out there today, no other books comes close and are so comprehensive on the topic. The other clowns that have written their HoloHuxsters books have no clue where they are coming from, they just repeat the Official Jewish Viewpoint that contradicts itself many times over.

                  Kinda ironic that in 19 countries the Revisionist books are banned….geee I wonder why? How many of these countries ban other books?
                  Do you know of any other Historical topic that is banned from discussion? The HoloHoax is the only one I know of.
                  Why would countries ban books and discusions like these, why do the make laws to ban holocaust denier media? If the Holohuxsters have the truth you think they wouldn’t have to waste their time banning Revisionist people and their books. I thought the truth stood on it’s own merit. Truth does not need to strong arm people to submit to it, like the Holohuxsterrs lobby tries to do to us Revisionists.

                  I would like to hear from are resident HoloHuxsters if they go along with the banning of Revisionist books and videos.
                  Just think if I were in Germany having this discussion I could go to jail or have a heavy fine. The HoloHuxsters would walk away unscathed.
                  Seems a little heavy handed don’t you think? Doesn’t see to be an even playing field here does it?
                  Pretty simple….you ban people if they are a threat, simple as that……a threat to what? Figure it out for yourselves….

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 7, 2016 @ 12:12 pm

                • A real book, Jim, not something I’d line my son’s bird cage with.
                  Sorry if I no longer trust your reading material.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 7, 2016 @ 11:41 am

                • Jim, read fucking Kranz! He shows Garf and Mattongo to incorrect about majdanek.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 1:38 pm

            • Majdanek…..read until you get it right…
              http://vho.org/GB/Books/ccm/

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — June 7, 2016 @ 11:36 am

              • I have read it idiot, still nothing in it that disproves Kranz.

                Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 12:46 pm

        • No mention of Anton in this blog post, and again the 48 trial is of issue. It’s a good read but not helpful for this conversation scrap.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 11:00 am

    • As mentioned below the bottles which read CO2 are most likely museum props.

      Kranz on page 223 explains the bottles were from action T4.

      Regardless of it was claimed 2 million died this was soviet propaganda only. Zdzisław Łukaszkiewicz ruled on 360,000 people. The court also only ruled 3 gas chambers proven. This in no way debunks Anton nor does it change a thing he has said.

      If thiss testimonys are not good enough I can also mention Donat who looked over the automobiles in the camp in 43.

      “A couple of passenger cars, some trucks, and one covered van, which people described in a whisper as “the gas chamber,” made up the motor pool. The van – the Russian expression for it meant “soul-destroyer” – was, indeed, the first Majdanek gas chamber. Victims had been locked inside and killed with carbon monoxide.”

      The point still stands and this changes nothing.

      Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 10:14 am

      • Also Blake if you know nothing about T4 they murdered the disabled with Carbon monoxide bottles.

        Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 10:17 am

    • Also I’m not sure the relevance to him being the first trial has anything to do with it. Regardless he was tried and he admitted to gassings before he was tried.

      Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 10:30 am

      • The first trials were the ones attempting to establish ridiculous propaganda as fact – similarly to how we Americans made crazy claims about the first camps we came across with corpses to use as “props” in our first macabre propaganda shows (e.g. Ohrdruf). Or the British at Bergen-Belsen.

        Forced confessions, lies, physical impossibilities claimed, … etc. That’s what we all see in these trials. That’s what a 6-yr-old would be able to figure if he weren’t brain-washed.

        I dispute that bottled CO was used in the T4 program.

        Comment by blake121666 — June 7, 2016 @ 10:45 am

        • Do you have any evidence against Kranz? Your dispute is beside the point. It’s like me saying the holocaust happened cause I believe it did.

          The 44 trial was based on lack of information from the camp, mostly cause it was happening so early on.

          Regardless of the Soviet’s doing torture if they even did its. A similar issue to Hoess.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 11:18 am

        • “The first trials were the ones attempting to establish ridiculous propaganda as fact – similarly to how we Americans made crazy claims about the first camps we came across with corpses to use as “props” in our first macabre propaganda shows (e.g. Ohrdruf). Or the British at Bergen-Belsen.”

          Irrelevant. There were subsequent trials.

          “Forced confessions, lies, physical impossibilities claimed, … etc. That’s what we all see in these trials. That’s what a 6-yr-old would be able to figure if he weren’t brain-washed.”

          Are you saying the West Germans tortured their defendants?
          This 6-year-old figured out a long time ago that if deniers say that the Germans deported the Jews East they need to prove it. People don’t vanish into a vacuum.

          “I dispute that bottled CO was used in the T4 program.”

          Proof?

          Comment by Jeff K. — June 7, 2016 @ 11:37 am

          • Regardless if they did torture to extract information isn’t exactly evil. Anton never showed any signs of torture. There may have been some but there is no evidence for it to be to force a confession.

            Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 11:41 am

            • What are you claiming Anton Thernes said? Wikipedia says:

              He denied knowing anything, but the proceedings were swamped with testimonial proofs offered by eyewitnesses. [5]

              [5]. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIyblZiyp1U&feature=share

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Thernes

              Here’s “The Majdanek Report”:

              http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Camps/MajdanekReport.html

              Nothing in this thing corresponds with what Western historians have ever thought about this. It’s filled with absurdities. These claims are on par with the claims against the Germans regarding Katyn – known to be the exact opposite of reality by Westerners.

              How did you get off the subject of FG’s Auschwitz post on to this debatable (to say the least) Majdanek propaganda? It looks to me that you wish to confuse with BS. I doubt you know much of these things you wish to present as some sort of unquestionable “proof”. It is Revisionists who have looked into Majdanek more than others – although early Revisionism of this left alot to be desired. You are presenting things that, really, no one can speak about with surity and yet you have presented it in this foul-mouthed ignorant way! Get a life, kid!

              Comment by blake121666 — June 7, 2016 @ 1:15 pm

              • I have him on recording… Also no that is not the Majdanek report…

                “I came across a reference to a document written by the committee of inquiry which was set up by the Soviets and Poles after the liberation of the Majdanek concentration camp to investigate German crimes at the camp.”

                Its not. It quotes the report at a few spots though. I used to have my hands on a print carbon copy of the full soviet report on the place, but sadly someone at my collage stole it. Also Blake quite a bit of it still fits. Burning pyres are still recognized, gas vans are still recognized, 3 to 4 of the gas chambers are still recognized. The cremation rate isn’t recognized though. Its been dropped a bit from what I am aware.

                He spoke of zyklon gassings but this is really it, no mention of CO gassings. Carbon monoxide gassings were shown to have happened though through the chemical test done by the soviet report.

                To quote out of Mattongo and Garfs book.

                ” 2. Chemical Arsenal
                Barrack No. 52 served as storage room for various chemicals. Aside from nu- merous chemicals generally used for disinfestation and disinfection, the following were discovered there:
                a) Five bottles, dark red in color. The following is stamped on them in German: ‘Carbon monoxide. Bottled at 150 atmospheres 8.7. 42, Schönerwein and Bre- nen. Berlin B. 9. Tested at 225 atmospheres. Empty weight 75.8 kg. Volume 40.6 liters.’ 
On examination of the bottles it was found that the gas contained therein had 
been used up, but that a small remnant still remained.

                b) A box of anti-gas material specifically labeled as protection from carbon mon- 
oxide. The box has a diameter of 12.8 cm, its height is 25.4 cm. . . . ”

                Hoess also supported the idea of zyklon gassings in the camp.

                As for Katyn, this is not the issue of the matter. The issue is JR being a idiot and unwilling to provide such evidence. I have given my sources and yet he treats it as if I have to read his sources. He will link walls of text but not argue. Its the argument of a child for him to point and say read, and yet claim such. The issue of the matter for you is to prove Kranz’s conclusion to be incorrect.

                “There are no documents, on the other hand, that refer to the supply of carbon monoxide. After the camp’s dissolution, however, five bottles were found on the camp’s area, in which the Polish-Soviet investigation commission established the presence of this gas. According to the commission’s report, written in Russian, the bottles were dark red and had the numbers 10, 17, 44, 52 and 60. They bore the inscription: “Kohlenoxid. Bei 150 Atmosphären abgefüllt 8.7.42. Zenerwajn und Brenen. Berlin B.9. Getestet bei 225 Atmosphären. Leergewicht 75,8 kg. Volumen 40,6 Liter.” (“Carbon oxide. Bottled at 150 atmospheres 8.7.42. Zenerwajn und Brenen. Berlin B.9. Tested at 225 atmospheres. Empty weight 75.8 kg. Volume 40.6 liters.”). This marking indicates that the bottles were from the depot of “Aktion T4″.”

                Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 1:32 pm

                • The video in english starts around 2:40

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 2:01 pm

                • Like I’m going to believe that video….LOL
                  Just like Elie (THE) Weasel talking about the blood spurting out of the ground….you must believe that one too! LOL
                  Thats part of HoloHuxster folklore. There is plenty of nonsense to believe and you Holohuxsters fall for it lock, stock, and barrel.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 7, 2016 @ 2:11 pm

                • LOL like that video was target at an idiot who thinks a movie interpretation of the holocaust + his commentary somehow debunks majdanek. I still haven’t gotten the issue from you Jim.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 2:16 pm

                • Jesus could come down right now and say Majdanek wasn’t an extermination camp and you still wouldn’t believe it.
                  Apparently you have your mind made up with all the other Holohuxsters and believe that the Germans exterminated 6 million Jews with bug spray.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 7, 2016 @ 3:18 pm

                • “Apparently you have your mind made up with all the other Holohuxsters and believe that the Germans exterminated 6 million Jews with bug spray.”

                  Jim, you are not helping your cause there. No one ever claimed 6 million Jews died in gas chambers, much less by bug spray.
                  About 2.5 million Jews died in gas chambers, not six million.
                  You really need to stop reading the so-called “Holocaust Handbooks.” They are warping your reality.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 7, 2016 @ 3:28 pm

                • …. okay Jeff 2.5 million Jews died in gas Chambers not show me how it’s done.
                  out of all the different ways they said they were killed there has to be one you can pick out of the bowl that will show how it’s done.
                  make sure you use the word Hocus Pocus in the beginning of your explanation.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 7, 2016 @ 4:08 pm

                • I have been following the heated arguments about Majdanek. Has anyone, who is following my blog, ever been to Majdanek?

                  The former camp is located within the city limits of Lublin. You can get to by riding on a streetcar. This was the second place that I visited, after I started studying the Holocaust in 1998.

                  The first place that I went was to Dachau. In 1998, I was a true believer. Not any more. I would advise all members of the Holocaust religion NOT to visit any former concentration camps.

                  Here is a tip for you: When you visit these former camps, keep saying to yourself, silently of course, “Don’t laugh, don’t laugh.” That’s what I do and I’ve never been arrested on any of my visits to the former camps.

                  This is one of my many blog posts about Majdanek.

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/24/mietek-grocher-the-man-who-walked-backwards-out-of-a-gas-chamber-and-survived/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 7, 2016 @ 3:32 pm

                • I couldn’t give a shit if it was only 1 million regardless how Many Jews died it was still a deliberate murder, its been proven countless times and the Pozan speech is proof enough.

                  The point here is that your a god damn idiot who cannot prove the Majdanek bunker to not be able to murder people. Its a show of how hard headed you really are.

                  Jesus could come down and tell you that your a fucking idiot who knows nothing about the operations of the camps, which shows greatly in your video that you tried to provide as evidence. It takes 300 ppm to murder a human, and you can even go lower 200 ppm to still kill a human in a short period of time. It takes 56,000 ppm’s to explode.

                  Regardless you fail to understand the camps at all and cannot prove a single thing wrong with the camp. It is a great show that your a idiot.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 3:36 pm

                • You mentioned the “Pozan speech.” Close, but no cigar!

                  I blogged about the Poznan speech at
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/himmlers-posen-speech/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 7, 2016 @ 3:47 pm

                • “I have been following the heated arguments about Majdanek. Has anyone, who is following my blog, ever been to Majdanek?

                  The former camp is located within the city limits of Lublin. You can get to by riding on a streetcar. This was the second place that I visited, after I started studying the Holocaust in 1998.

                  The first place that I went was to Dachau. In 1998, I was a true believer. Not any more. I would advise all members of the Holocaust religion NOT to visit any former concentration camps.

                  Here is a tip for you: When you visit these former camps, keep saying to yourself, silently of course, “Don’t laugh, don’t laugh.” That’s what I do and I’ve never been arrested on any of my visits to the former camps.

                  This is one of my many blog posts about Majdanek.

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/24/mietek-grocher-the-man-who-walked-backwards-out-of-a-gas-chamber-and-survived/

                  I have visited it once, that is all… I have seen no issue at all, and I would advise you to join in the argument if you have any input, cause the only person who seems to be able to make a single argument here is blake. It would be quite interesting for your input.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 3:44 pm

                • I also wouldn’t recommend going, its not worth the price… Majdanek while having the most complete gas chamber left over since the end of the war, it still doesn’t have the needed completion to it. Its only field that is left I believe is 3… This is only a portion of the camp and its been visited so much that you can find an image of almost anything from it. As well you can literally go through the B&D on google maps for free.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 3:48 pm

                • I wrote about Field 3 on my website, after my visit to the camp in 1998. I was the only tourist there, and my tour guide left me all alone in Field 3. I was scared to death, but I managed to survive by taking photos to distract myself. I wrote about Field 3 on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek04.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 7, 2016 @ 3:56 pm

                • You keep replying to yourself, but you are addressing someone else. You need to press the reply button at the bottom of the comment to which you are making a reply.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 7, 2016 @ 4:07 pm

                • “You mentioned the “Pozan speech.” Close, but no cigar!

                  I blogged about the Poznan speech at
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/himmlers-posen-speech/

                  Even with such a small cut its irrelevant, if such cut does exist. Listening to the audio I do not hear this “cut”. There is also the 1956 Eichmann message as well. There are many more.

                  There is Hans Frank speech as well. Which was mentioned earlier. Alright Scrap? This doesn’t change a thing about what the speech was of, especially with your sentence that you add. He still says the following.

                  “I am thinking now of the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that’s easy to say: “The Jewish people will be exterminated” , says every Party comrade, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our program: elimination of the Jews, extermination ; that’s what we’re doing.” And then they all come along, these 80 million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it’s quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew. Of all those who speak this way, not one has looked on; not one has lived through it. Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there. To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard. This is a chapter of glory in our history which has never been written, and which never shall be written; since we know how hard it would be for us if we still had the Jews, as secret saboteurs, agitators, and slander-mongers, among us now, in every city — during the bombing raids, with the suffering and deprivations of the war. We would probably already be in the same situation as in 1916/17 if we still had the Jews in the body of the German people.”

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 4:22 pm

                • As for why I keep replying to myself, it doesn’t show a reply button next to you name for me.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 4:25 pm

                • After the reply number hits a point the reply button goes missing. Also if I do It this way instead of clicking on some other place where there name is, it stays more organized.

                  Here’s another image

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 4:37 pm

                • “I wrote about Field 3 on my website, after my visit to the camp in 1998. I was the only tourist there, and my tour guide left me all alone in Field 3. I was scared to death, but I managed to survive by taking photos to distract myself. I wrote about Field 3 on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek04.html

                  Why were you scared? This doesn’t exactly make sense… Is this when you believed what happened or no? I see no reason why a lone adult would be scared in this camp… Field 3 is rather small as well, but housed a good number of people…

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 5:22 pm

      • Just like this it happened??? NOT!
        So many things wrong with this gassing story where to begin?

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 7, 2016 @ 10:57 am

        • Jim I’m still waiting, ether give it or forever be regarded as an idiot.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 11:03 am

          • Okay anon, since you are the end-all in deciding who has value and who doesn’t, I guess we have to bow to your pseudo-elitist mind and judgments. Not.

            In our system of justice, not like France, not like Germany or the former Soviet Union or even Britain, when you determine a charge against someone that suggests they might be guilty, burden of proof is to prove guilt with the presumption of innocence. You have to find the Germans as guilty. We are defending the Germans, the burden Falls to you under the law of evidence, to provide factual evidence to prove guilt. Since you have not been able to do that, the Germans are Innocent by default. Who’s the idiot now! … Anon … no.name.

            Comment by Diane King — June 7, 2016 @ 4:50 pm

        • Also this fucking video is of a movie not reality.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 11:19 am

        • Also Zyklon B isn’t a fucking powder you fucking idiot, its ether liquid or gas.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 2:57 pm

      • This is just the beginning I’m sure there are more reasons……

        http://listovative.com/top-10-major-reasons-why-people-hate-jews/

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 7:49 am

        • It doesn’t disprove the event it’s only you taking a movie interpretation and thinking it’s what is claimed to have happened. We also do have a photograph of smoke coming from the chimney.

          Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 5:53 pm

  7. The fact Amnesty International turns it’s back revisionists who have been handed out unfairly long prison sentences which they must serve alongside violent criminals leads me to believe there’s something fishy about the Holocaust story and something cruel about the people who push for and pass laws that make a felony for simply holding an unpopular opinion about events that happened over seventy years ago.
    Send a card to a JAILED REVISIONIST:

    Wolfgang FRÖHLICH (prisoner) – JVA Stein – Steiner Landstr 4 – A-3504 Kreims-Stein / Wachau – NO – AUSTRIA

    Horst MAHLER (currently on medical probation) – Weidenbusch 13, D-14532, Kleinmachnow- GERMANY. Mahler is need of help for medical care. He’s lost a leg to diabetes. Pay Pal account: ℅ Elzbeita Mahler

    Axel Möller (prisoner) – JVA Bützow – Kühlungsborner Str. 29a – D-18246 Bützow – GERMANY

    Gerhard Ittner (retrial ongoing) ℅ S. Rübel, Bessemerstr. 51, D-90411, Nürnberg, GERMANY

    Vincent Reynouard (convicted now in exile) – c/o Siegfried Verbeke -Italiëlei 203b B-2000 Antwerp – BELGIUM

    Sylvia Stolz (prosecuted) – Pfarrer-Grabmeier-Allee 10, D-85560 Ebersberg, GERMANY

    Dr. Ursula Haverbeck (prosecuted) – Bretthorststr. 199, D-32602, Vlotho-Valdorf, GERMANY

    Prof. Prof. R. Faurisson 10, Rue de Normandie F-03200, Vichy, FRANCE

    Comment by who dares wings — June 7, 2016 @ 7:25 am

  8. And ANON, you can huff and puff about your failure to believe the Brazilians overrunning Mass in general and the respective towns in particular, but it is happening. Just like mexicans and guatemalans are pouring into the US border states. Denigrating those who proclaim and warn about this is beneath a supposed ‘college’ student who is allegedly to possess the wherewithal to discern the importance of admitting you LIKELY DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING and consequently, welcom all ideas, opinions and expressions … oh, wait, that’s not being taught any longer in ‘college’. Again, you wasted your time and money on college. YOU LEARNED NOTHING but what you were being taught by the puppet masters to ensure you be the proper automaton of political correctness harboring NO original thought and welcoming none outside the politically correct box – job well done. You graduated MAGNUM CUM GIVE-ME-A-FREAKIN’ BREAK.

    Comment by Diane King — June 6, 2016 @ 9:18 pm

    • I don’t need to huff and puff, you have already proven to be an idiot who has fueled me content by trying to give support to the biggest idiot in the world who cannot answer the simple question. I never mentioned Mexicans so where ever the hell you got this I have no idea…

      Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 9:39 pm

    • Puppet masters….
      Does this make us pod people?

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 7, 2016 @ 1:05 pm

  9. Hoess memoir http://mailstar.net/Hoss-Memoirs.html

    “From Upper Silesia and the General Gouvernement ..250,000
    Germany and Theresienstadt …………………..100,000
    Holland ……………………………………95,000
    Belgium ……………………………………20,000 France……………………………………..110,000
    Greece ……………………………………..65,000 Hungary……………………………………..400,000
    Slovakia ……………………………………..90,000
    [Total 1,130,000]31

    I can no longer remember the figures for the smaller actions, but they were insignificant by comparison with the numbers given above.32

    I regard a total of 2.5 million as far too high. Even Auschwitz had limits to its destructive capabilities.”

    Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 5:36 pm

    • Thanks, Anonymous.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 5:46 pm

      • I honestly don’t believe any of the figures that the Holohucksters throw our way any more. All the numbers have been all figured out to work with their Six Million number. There is no we’re confirming or denying any of this but yet they still play the numbers. So think about it they come up with the 6 million figure before anybody is even dead and then they work the numbers to make sure it adds up what a way to go. No matter what happens with the numbers that come in they just work the numbers to make it to come to 6 million.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 6:25 pm

        • Jim this is cause your a fucking idiot who thinks brazilians are trying to take over your state.

          Comment by Anonymous. — June 6, 2016 @ 7:14 pm

          • 😂😂😂😂😂

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 7:19 pm

            • The best part is he shows it on his website, look at the home page and tell me you don’t see a d day statue with a Brazilian flag.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 7:23 pm

              • I’ve been to his website. I’ve even watched some of his videos.
                I’m a glutton for punishment.
                Jim’s not so bad, he simply doesn’t understand the time period or history involved.
                I’ve seen far, far worse.

                Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 7:30 pm

                • Jim obviously cannot read, cause Hoess retracted his claim of 2.5 million in his memoirs which were written before his death. THHP has already proven it to be accurate. He has also ignored the fact that without these memoirs which state gassings happened are the only evidence for Hoess being tortured. Which show exactly that Jim is ignoring evidence for his own preconceived ideas.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 7:43 pm

                • Hoess’s memoirs were probably as accurate as anything could be.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 8:10 pm

                • Also trust me I have dealt with Dennis Wise… He makes Jim look like a push over, cause he will demand you debunk his whole movie before accepting defeat, and it’s like 6 hours long.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 7:46 pm

                • I can’t watch lengthy denier videos. Anything longer than about 40 minutes makes me want to tear my hair out.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 8:11 pm

                • Actually Jeff and mr. Anonymous you guys can believe whatever you want I’m not here to convince you of anything. You obviously have your opinions and you have all the answers so why waste your time here. Most of the people here that post have an understanding of what’s going on and we deal with facts we don’t deal with on realities so if you really want to be somewhere that people accept you then go to another site you’re not going to convince us of anything and obviously we’re not going to convince you that’s all you’re doing is wasting our time I’m not going to waste my time with you.
                  The only reason why I communicate with you here is because I do it with the voice recognition I wouldn’t waste my time typing with you here.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 8:19 pm

                • But, I enjoy our little chats, Jim.
                  Actually right now I’m bouncing between here and Skeptics forum.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 8:24 pm

                • Well said Jim, keep at it. I read the blog about auschwitz deaths and found this pile of shit from these two bozos who cannot even spell the Queen’s English properly. That a bunker could have been capable of being a gas chamber is BS. I’m capable of being a millionaire, but I’m not one. Majdanek has been completely debunked and the reason the zionists don’t want to listen is that they won’t like the answer. One of these boys talks about mass shootings running to up to 2m dead jews. Have we ever seen a location, mass grave, forensics? No of course not, just lies and bull.

                  Comment by Mr B — June 8, 2016 @ 3:35 am

                • “Well said Jim, keep at it.”

                  You replied to Jeff K., doofus. Jim is the one saying all the stupid shit about Jews.

                  “I read the blog about auschwitz deaths and found this pile of shit from these two bozos who cannot even spell the Queen’s English properly.”

                  You need to capitalize “Auschwitz.”

                  “That a bunker could have been capable of being a gas chamber is BS.”

                  Why? All you need is the ability to make it air tight and the ability to add a toxin. Why do deniers think people are really hard to kill?

                  “I’m capable of being a millionaire, but I’m not one.”

                  If you are this stupid I understand why.

                  “Majdanek has been completely debunked and the reason the zionists don’t want to listen is that they won’t like the answer.”

                  You just don’t want to contemplate real history. I don’t know why.

                  “One of these boys talks about mass shootings running to up to 2m dead jews.”

                  That would be me.

                  “Have we ever seen a location, mass grave, forensics? No of course not, just lies and bull.”

                  I’ve posted…twice….the efforts to find and preserve these sites that are on-going.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 4:24 am

          • The Brazilians have taken over the state.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 7:25 pm

            • Bullshit! Just like all your theories of how the holocaust never happend. Toss one issue with the Majdanek gas chamber right here, prove the last standing extermination gas chamber to be a fraud. I don’t mean a change to the old story or a gas chamber which is not recognized today by the museum. I mean one issue with the building known as the bunker located behind B&D 1.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 7:28 pm

              • The Holocaust is a fraud anyone believing in it needs to have their head examined if you want to believe the crap that they give you fine.
                Like I said in my past text show me how it was done show me how you can gas all these people in 15 to 20 minutes and then cremate them and another 15 to 20 minutes.
                Just to let you know on this site most of the people here understand and logically see what’s going on here they don’t have their heads up their ass like you that think things can happen by Magic.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 7:52 pm

              • Educate your fucking self! This is a fucking Gish gallop! Don’t sight your fucking walls of text! I have watched your videos and know you have every bit of Revisionist litature on your phone in PDF format. Go to Mattognos book and provide the simplist bit of evidence against what I have said.

                Do it unless you want to continue this endless game, I tend to be persistent.

                Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 8:36 pm

                • First of all I try to deal with people that are logical not foul mouth and have no respect for people they talk with. So obviously you don’t fit the criteria of the person I want to talk with so you might want to find yourself another site to talk with people if you think you going to make friends and influence people with your mouth like it is then don’t waste your time here. Most of the people here don’t talk like you they don’t reason like you they don’t act like you but you seem to think that you can come on this site and just run the whole site now because you have all this special information it’s is not going to work that way I don’t waste my time with people like you that have no respect for other people.
                  I gave you plenty of information to look at it should keep you busy watch the video have a good night.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 8:44 pm

                • Here, to your profanity and self-righteous, self-involved emoting, ANON: “Reverting to name calling (derision) suggests that you are defensive and therefore, find my opinion valid.” (Spock,Star Trek – Into the Darkness)

                  Comment by Diane King — June 6, 2016 @ 8:59 pm

                • Here anyone can see the idiocy of people who turn to a mean word you use to avoid your demands. e.e fucking idiots.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 9:17 pm

              • Anonymous needs to get a grip. It is his side that needs to prove things and not us who needs to disprove things, though of course we have. Just because a room or building is capable of being a gas chamber hardly makes it actually a gas chamber. The Majdanek story is full of holes and simply doesn’t stand up anymore. 78000 is the current official death toll and it’s still falling. Where are the bodies, the remains, the means to execute and cremate them, the fuel??? Stop the quotes of old witnesses we know they are untrue as they simply don’t stand up to any rational scrutiny.

                Any sensible person looking at the holocaust would quickly arrive at the conclusion that it didn’t happen as described and claimed and thus the death toll could only be in the several hundred thousand and non from an extermination programme.

                The zionist jews cannot stand any criticism (note how they react to BDS) mainly because their credibility as a people and a nation hangs over a very high precipice and will drop to doom if they get officially found out. They have lied from the end of the war until today, it’s a money making shake down of a scam. Science, logic, forensics and the free movement of info and debate have caught them out. Do I care? No.

                Comment by Mr B — June 8, 2016 @ 3:43 am

                • Or perhaps you could answer for Jim

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 5:54 pm

            • Also I’m a collage student, I couldn’t care if I swear or not. My goal isn’t to respect a 60 year old man who can even grasp basic logic, and believes the Jews and Brazillians are trying to take over his god damn state.

              Give this site a read for once Jim and you will learn more there then you have learned form any revisionist ‘scholar’.

              https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com

              Regardless of how much I swear at you it doesn’t deteriorate my argument at all.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 8:59 pm

              • Anon…. I’ve wasted too much time with you already.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 9:02 pm

                • Your the one who keeps dragging it on, it’s one simple fucking question, can you answer it or no?

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 9:08 pm

          • Anon… get a clue. As in Europe, so here. Your shouting how wrong you are at the top of your lungs is less than compelling. Also shows your ignorance.

            Comment by Diane King — June 6, 2016 @ 8:55 pm

            • Totally, you want to really put up the challenge? Since Jim can’t answer it can you?

              Why would the Majdanek bunker not work for homicial gassings?

              Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 9:02 pm

        • So I have all the answers Jim? Actually no I don’t have answer to something. I was wondering how you cannot answer a fucking simple question that any of your Aging comrands like leuchter and Rudolf would provide an answer to in under a minute. Yet you have to avoide the fucking question.

          So do you have any evidence against the bunkerJim?

          Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 8:32 pm

          • Good video should answer you questions

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 8:35 pm

            • This has long been debunked on skeptic… Hunt has no evidence for his northern route enterance, not a single person speaks of a northern enterance, and the only photograph which would support Eric was proven to be from a completely different place!

              If you really care for the truth then get reading.

              http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24902&start=600

              Hunt also ignore the fact that all the bodies were burned on “Bonfires” during the gassing program at Majdanek at not in the crematorium.

              According to Pressac as well the oil crematoriums could burn around 100 bodies in 12 hours.

              Which far exceeds hunts estimate of 1 body and hour.

              http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=26801

              Which is fucking idiotic for deniers to say they were slow cremation ovens… If the Germans were having such a bad fuckingr outbreak of typhus why would they build fucking ovens which has a compacity to only cremate 120 bodies of they ran continuously!

              As well hunt is not taking into account that fact the CO2 bottles could only be up for display, so far no evidence against the event has been prosented and your ignorance has only shown even more.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 8:49 pm

              • you’re right you have all the answers no one else is right so I guess this case is closed.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 8:51 pm

              • First, the numbers: “4.39 million of them wound up collecting life-time pensions from the German government as "Holocaust survivors," even though no more than 4.5 million Jews ever came under German control. Census figures show that they were all still there after the war. “…according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000. If the German government under Adolf Hitler had – as alleged – murdered six million Jews those losses should have been reflected in the Jewish population numbers quoted in the World Almanac. The suspicions raised by above numbers concerning the veracity of the allegations made against the Hitler government are confirmed by the official three-volume report by the International… 9 million Jews in the Reich? There were only 500,000 Jews in Germany and 190,000 in Austria when Hitler became chancellor in 1933. By the time the war started, due to emigration, only 160,000 Jews remained in Germany and 40,000 in Austria.” Ben Bradberry, author of THE MYTH OF GERMAN VILLAINY.

                Comment by Diane King — June 6, 2016 @ 8:58 pm

                • This is all old gambit shit that has been taken care of countless times. The world Almanac was completely estimates not actually a full scale search out for Jews… As for the 4 million survivors… You do know Jews where not the only holocaust survivors right? Read the wiki link provided to Jim.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 9:05 pm

            • I never claimed that I had all the answers Jim, now answer the damn question.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 9:00 pm

  10. Hoess confession was definitely beat out of him not onlly that, what was written supposedly by him was a forgery, but that didn’t stop the people from believing these high numbers they are completely ridiculous make no sense couldn’t happen even if they tried couldn’t be duplicated if they tried but the numbers are true and have stayed for all these years. Now what they’re doing is they making up stories on how to justify these numbers based on more false testimony from people who weren’t even there to witness what happened but they claim they were.

    I would like to see them do a control demonstration of how all this worked if you can duplicate the gassing of all these people in a chamber packed to capacity where the people can’t even move when zyklon-b pellets fall on the floor and just give off gas with no heat with no fans to spread the gas if you can do all that and replicated itt then I will be a believer it’s very simple it’s not a complicated thing here or maybe it is a complicated thing that’s why they’re not doing it.
    in regards to the high numbers that they are quoting there weren’t that many Jews in the camps to start with. So the big question that is asked by Jeff who is on this list is where did they all go well that’s a question you should ask the Jews because they sure ended up somewhere.
    Again like I said I don’t even think most of these people were there to begin with.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 5:24 pm

    • “Hoess confession was definitely beat out of him not onlly that, what was written supposedly by him was a forgery,”

      Which time, Jim? From what I can tell Hoess made, what, about 4 different confessions?
      His last tally was around 1.3 million. That’s pretty close to the agreed number.

      “but that didn’t stop the people from believing these high numbers”

      Which people?

      “they are completely ridiculous make no sense couldn’t happen even if they tried couldn’t be duplicated if they tried but the numbers are true and have stayed for all these years.”

      No, we’ve had various estimates. You are not keeping up.

      “Now what they’re doing is they making up stories on how to justify these numbers based on more false testimony from people who weren’t even there to witness what happened but they claim they were.”

      Jim, those numbers were arrived at by researching deportation records, not witness statements. Again, you need to keep up.

      “I would like to see them do a control demonstration of how all this worked if you can duplicate the gassing of all these people in a chamber packed to capacity where the people can’t even move when zyklon-b pellets fall on the floor and just give off gas with no heat with no fans to spread the gas if you can do all that and replicated itt then I will be a believer it’s very simple it’s not a complicated thing here or maybe it is a complicated thing that’s why they’re not doing it.”

      Jim, the gas is lighter than air. It naturally diffuses throughout the room, regardless of fans. The movement in the room would help spread the gas.

      “in regards to the high numbers that they are quoting there weren’t that many Jews in the camps to start with. So the big question that is asked by Jeff who is on this list is where did they all go well that’s a question you should ask the Jews because they sure ended up somewhere.”

      No, I’m asking deniers because they say the Jews went somewhere. You need to prove it.

      “Again like I said I don’t even think most of these people were there to begin with.”

      Well, did the SS send the Jews careening merrily about the countryside? A nice extended road trip?
      We have the German documents, Jim. They say the Jews went to these camps.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 5:41 pm

      • We only know of how’s being beaten cause of his memoirs… If the allies controlled his writings in the memoir then they wouldn’t have had him write down he was tortured. It’s simple logic.

        Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

        • *Hoess

          Sorry auto correct on my phone…

          Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 7:20 pm

        • ANON: You wasted your money and time on college – it did nothing but reinforce political correctness and rudeness and, oh, an ever present and increasing new epidemic – holocaustomania: “Subscribing to the politically correct view of the holocost without question or discussion – rots the brain, corrupts the morals and creates a psychopath. The only cure is the truth provided by those who oppose and contend against the wholesale force feeding and consequent perversion of the myth of the holocost. (Diane King)” YOU GOT IT!

          Comment by Diane King — June 6, 2016 @ 9:04 pm

          • Can you again prove anything I have said wrong?

            Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 9:06 pm

          • Also, nice quote! To bad I never said this.

            Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 5:04 pm

  11. “someone did, in fact, claim that 4 million Jews died at Auschwitz. The famous 4 million number was literally carved in stone at Auschwitz-Birkenau.”

    Except that plaque doesn’t say “Jews.” It never did. It says “people.”

    “On May 14, 1946, Rudolf Hoess, the former commandant of Auschwitz, signed a declaration stating that during his tenure in office, 2 million Jews had been gassed at Auschwitz and another 500,000 killed in other ways.”

    So, not even Hoess claims 4 million. He claims 2.5 million died. He later changed that number, as you noted in your blog.

    I honestly don’t understand this need to bring up the 4 million number. It never said Jews. As you pointed out, even Hilberg stated that the number was too high.

    Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 5:21 pm

    • You wrote: “Except that plaque doesn’t say “Jews.” It never did. It says “people.”

      I learned from a Jewish acquaintance, years ago, that Jews do not like to be called a “Jew.” The correct way is to say “Jewish person.”
      I found the following quote, which explains it:
      Begin quote:
      1. “So, you’re a Jew?”

      When that term is used to label someone, my mind conjures up images of surly Dickensian characters like Oliver Twist’s Fagin. Pejorative references throughout history have loaded this word with too much baggage. Calling someone a “Jew” or “Jewess” is like calling someone a “Polack” or a “Chinaman.” Is this appropriate? But, being called “Jewish” is different. Like “Chinese” or “African,” it is an ethnic designation. If you must ask (perhaps first take a moment to make sure it’s appropriate to ask at all), try, “Are you Jewish?” not, “Are you a Jew?”
      End quote

      Comment by furtherglory — June 6, 2016 @ 5:36 pm

      • Are you saying the Soviets/Poles asked the Jews for their opinion?

        The Plaque doesn’t even say “Jewish People.”

        It just says “People.”

        Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 5:45 pm

      • When people talk about the Holocaust they all talk about 6 million Jews being killed so you cut it up any way you like.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 5:49 pm

        • Wrong, AGAIN, Jim.
          If you want to specify the Jewish victims you can use the term “Shoah.”

          The true definition of the Holocaust includes all Nazi victims, the Polish elite, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the disabled, etc.

          Comment by Jeff K. — June 6, 2016 @ 6:26 pm

          • Jeff that’s all I want from you is to get Holohuckster budies to replicate gassing 800 people or 2000 people or whatever how many people in a room using zyklon-b pellets…. show me how it’s done …
            if you can replicate it I will believe what you have to say. Everything else means nothing to me numbers don’t mean anything Survivor stories don’t mean anything it’s all b******* unless you can show me how it’s done do you think you can do that you’re wasting my time with all your stuff you’re showing me.
            There could be a billion people that died but if you can’t show how they were killed none of it makes any sense or matters.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 6:38 pm

            • Why in the hell would we replicate it? Are you a idiot? This would mean people would need to be gassed…. Human beings! Who the hell do you expect us to gas? Well?

              Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 7:33 pm

          • The ‘Holocaust’ is always such an amazing disruption of the laws of physics. A unique combination of magics, impossibilities, nonsenses, blunders, cynicism, oddities, stupidities and missing links.

            Comment by Diane King — June 6, 2016 @ 9:06 pm

            • Just like creationist claim with the fossil record, your claim here is nothing more the rhetorical bullshit.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 9:15 pm

              • From a fellow Jew…

                “most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”
                –Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950,
                Vol. 12, p. 65

                Comment by jrizoli — June 6, 2016 @ 9:23 pm

                • I’m not a Jew Jim… This is like me saying your brother was a an Indian… The last recorded Jew in my family was from 1837. This was a short term marriage which never went to the point of having a child.

                  Also again realize that Hoess memoir is the only proof for you idea of his torture, if it’s not there then your just speaking out from your ass. This would mean the Hoess confession was untortured and would mean he did it on his own free will.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 3:51 am

                • Hoess is a liar no credible historian will accept his testimony today. But the reason why you have to accept it is because without it nothing makes sense so you believe a person who was tortured and who lied about what happened there. I don’t know how you can believe someone who lied 3 times according to what you say anyway and think it’s right but if that’s what you want to believe fine if you want to believe lies like most of the Holohucksters do that’s up to you I deal with facts I don’t do it lies

                  “most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”
                  –Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950,
                  Vol. 12, p. 65

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 7, 2016 @ 5:55 am

                • So if Hoess was tortured then he also admitted to gas chambers, the death toll being lower, and that the crimes of Auschwtiz were true.

                  If he didn’t then it means he admitted to gassings without any evidence of torture.

                  Also take a word of advice from Hans Frank’s Diary.

                  “As far as the Jews are concerned, I want to tell you quite frankly that they must be done away with in one way or. another. The Fuhrer said once: ‘Should united Jewry again succeed in provoking a world- war, the blood of not only the nations which have been forced into the war by them, will be shed, but the Jew will have found his end in Europe’. I know t hat many of the measures carried out against the Jews in the Reich at present are being criticized. It is being tried intentionally, as is obvious from the reports on the morale, to talk about cruelty, harshness, etc. Before I continue, I want to beg you to agree with me on the following formula: We will principally have pity on the German people only, and nobody else in the whole world. The others, too, ha d no pity on us. As an old National-Socialist, I must say: This war would only be a partial success if the whole lot of Jewry would survive it, while we would have shed our best blood in order to save Europe. My attitude towards the Jews will, therefore, be based only on the expectation that they must dis appear. They must be done away with. I have entered negotiations to have them deported to the East. A great discussion concerning that question will take place in Berlin in January, to which I am going to delegate the State Secretary Dr. Buehler. That discussion is to take place in the Reich Security Main Office with SS-Lt. General Heydrich. A great Jewish migration will begin, in any case.

                  “But what should be done with the Jews? Do you think they will be settled down in the ‘Ostland’, in villages? This is what we were told in Berlin: Why a ll this bother ? We can do nothing with them either in the ‘Ostland’ nor in the ‘Reich kommissariat’. So liquidate them yourself.

                  “Gentlemen, I must ask you to rid yourself of all feeling of pity. We must annihilate the Jews, wherever we find them and wherever it is possible, in order to maintain there the structure of the Reich as a whole. This will, naturally, be achieved by other met hods than those pointed out by Bureau Chief Dr. Hummel. Nor can the judges of the Special Courts be made responsible for it, because of the limitations of the framework of the legal procedure. Such outdated views cannot be applied to such gigantic and unique events. We must find at any rat e a way which leads to the goal, and my thoughts are working in that direction.

                  “The Jews represent for us-also extraordinarily malignant gluttons. We have now approximately 2,500,000 of them in the General Government, perhaps with the Jewish mixtures and everything that goes with it, 3,500,000 Jews. We cannot shoot or poi son those 3,500,000 Jews, but we shall nevertheless be able to take measures, which will lea d, somehow, to their annihilation, and this in connection with the gigantic measures to be determine d in discussions from the Reich. The General Government must become free of Jews, the same as the Reich. Where and how this is to be achieved is a matter for the offices which we must ap point and create here. Their activities will be brought to your attention in due course.”

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 4:41 am

                • Also try reading this, regardless of what our fellow here says, it still doesn’t change what Hoess wrote.

                  http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/hoess-memoirs/

                  Hoess has been proven accurate, therefor we can disregard what this Jew has said.

                  Also notice how he says “most of the memoirs” not all of them! This doesn’t change a thing as well shown above by Hans Frank, so far you have only shown small arguments which don’t change a thing to the story.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 5:22 am

                • I see no reason for him to be considered a liar in his memoirs, and your a fucking idiot for saying no historian would take his memoir seriously! Have you not read the Zundel transcript with Roul Hillburg! Roul has used his memoirs for his writings before and meny other historians as well, you haven’t shown any evidence as to why Hoess would be a lier. You only have one quote saying some testimonies has exaggerated a bit. This one single quote also states nothing about the Hoess memoir in particular. It also doesn’t stand for all memoirs.

                  Idiot…

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 7:18 am

                • Not that you are interested in the truth.
                  Hoess is old news….
                  http://www.whale.to/b/rudolf_hoess.html

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 7, 2016 @ 7:36 am

                • Also when you say “Hoess is a liar no credible historian will accept his testimony today.”

                  No fucking dah! His testimony was partly rigged in the sense of number dead. Part of it is accurate such as when he states that he tested Zyklon on Soviet POWs first.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 7:28 am

                • A follow up is that his testimony is different then his memoirs!

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 7:29 am

                • I’m still trying to figure out why this quote has any relevance.

                  Based upon what the Germans said themselves plus what the Poles and Soviets found when they liberated these camps I don’t really care about survivor memoirs.

                  But, deniers think that all of this stuff is based on memoirs and Jewish statements, naturally, they are wrong.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

                • You do understand that about a dozen Germans were EXECUTED after the Nuremburg trials do to “expert” testimony from Holohuxsters like yourself that didn’t even appear in court!!!!! So enough said for those expert testimonies idiots who lied through their teeth.
                  Funny how expert testimonies are only good when you want them to be….if they are proven to be liars like most of them are you bail from using them….that is called picking and choosing what you want to use to prove your case. Just like Spielberg who only used half of the 50,000 Shoah testimonies that backed up his HoloHoax vision of a movie….the others that said just the opposite ended up on the cutting room floor.

                  Nothing like making a movie based on facts wouldn’t you say…..If the legend becomes fact print the legend.
                  Obviously truth doesn’t matter to you and your ANAL buddy here…….You dismiss all truth in favor for the legend……

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 1:30 pm

                • Oh, horse shit, Jim.
                  The IMT didn’t just rely on testimony, it utilized Nazi documents, speeches, the results of the investigations from the Poles and Soviets, etc. So please stop with the whole “eyewitness testimony” you keep blathering on about.
                  Also, you do realize that there were dozens of trials after the IMT, right?
                  On second thought, no, you probably didn’t.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 1:49 pm

                • You wrote: “The IMT didn’t just rely on testimony…”

                  I have just put up a new blog post about the IMT.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 8, 2016 @ 4:48 pm

                • You wrote: “Also, you do realize that there were dozens of trials after the IMT, right?”

                  I have blogged about the Dachau trials at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/dachau-trials/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 8, 2016 @ 5:10 pm

                • I know there was several trials that came later but no matter what there were all handled the same way with the same and justices.
                  All to protect the HoloHoax scam and protect the Allies from criminal charges that would have been filed against them for crimes against humanity.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 5:34 pm

                • Of course! Whale.to is the most trustworthy source in the world. I would rather be linked Irving then this site. This is a home for every last conspiracy all the way back to HIV being created by the government.

                  Regardless this still doesn’t change a thing about the memoir. We’re not talking about his confession and he still started the following.

                  This site has not debunked the memoir in anyway. He stated his number given was to high but his memoirs is well supported. If you want to know the truth you would read the link I gave you.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 8:21 am

                • “From Upper Silesia and the General Gouvernement ..250,000
                  Germany and Theresienstadt …………………..100,000
                  Holland ……………………………………95,000
                  Belgium ……………………………………20,000 France……………………………………..110,000
                  Greece ……………………………………..65,000 Hungary……………………………………..400,000
                  Slovakia ……………………………………..90,000
                  [Total 1,130,000]31

                  I can no longer remember the figures for the smaller actions, but they were insignificant by comparison with the numbers given above.32

                  I regard a total of 2.5 million as far too high. Even Auschwitz had limits to its destructive capabilities.

                  ……………..

                  If the prosecutor’s office had not intervened, they would have finished me off, most of all mentally and emotionally. They almost had me at the breaking point. This was not feeble hysteria. I was almost totally finished at that time, and I can stand quite a bit. Life had often enough been hard for me, but the psychological torture of these three satans was too much. I was not the only one who was mistreated like this. They also badly mistreated a few of the Polish prisoners. They have long since left this position and it is gratifyingly quiet.

                  I have to openly confess I never would have expected to be treated so decently and so kindly in a Polish prison as I have been since the intervention of the prosecutor’s office.”

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 8:27 am

                • “most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”
                  –Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950,
                  Vol. 12, p. 65”

                  First, I think it’s funny you would quote a Jew.
                  Second, eyewitness testimony did not hang the condemned at the IMT.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 3:47 pm

                • Jeff who was running these trials?
                  Evil people that had a bone to pick with the Germans.

                  http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.com/2009/10/glaring-evidence-of-farce-that-was.html?m=1

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 4:30 pm

                • You mean the West Germans hated other Germans?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 8, 2016 @ 5:39 pm

                • You wrote: “eyewitness testimony did not hang the condemned at the IMT.”

                  What kind of testimony do you believe DID convict the condemned at the IMT.

                  I have just written a new blog post about the IMT. Today, the initials IMT mean an unfair trial.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 8, 2016 @ 5:03 pm

              • ANON, and your BS isn’t rhetorical? YOU don’t need an answer because you believe and support NONSENSE. There’s really no point in engaging in a clearly UNDER educated college grad product of PC. But someone else might benefit from our contributions in spite of the cascade of defamatory speech (which by the way is a sign of one with an extremely limited vocabulary, I’ve heard tell.) Didn’t they teach you the English language and vocabulary in school? A college degree isn’t worth much these days especially when it’s accompanied with arrogance and ignorance. No manners, no respect. What, were you brought up by wolves?

                Comment by Diane King — June 6, 2016 @ 9:30 pm

                • I gave a fucking response to your bullshit on the issue of the population records, you were told that it was based on pure guesses.

                  A Jew in 1939 did a estimate for the population world wide of Jews and came out with 16 million. The book is now available to be read at yad vashem if your willing to make the flight.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 7, 2016 @ 3:56 am

        • Jews are not the only victim of the Holocaust… Simply look at the wiki page.

          A simple person like you should be able to understand this Jim.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

          Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 7:18 pm

          • The TRUE victims of the TRUE holocaust are the Germans in the firebombing of their cities and the attempted ethnic cleansing of them as people with this intention predating WWI. Any other claim to so-called ‘holocost’ suffering is BOGUS.

            Comment by Diane King — June 6, 2016 @ 9:08 pm

            • Bullshit! Dresden had 150 factories in it. As well Hamburg was also located in the Rhineland, which is know for its industry. Regardless I don’t see you complaining over the Germans bombing civilian targets in Spain! Look up Guernica, it was a civilian site bombed in 1937.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 6, 2016 @ 9:12 pm


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