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June 8, 2016

Did the “Nürnberg trials” prove anything of importance?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: — furtherglory @ 4:34 pm
The beautiful city of Nuremberg before it was bombed by the Allies

The beautiful city of Nuremberg before it was bombed by the Allies

German churches were bombed by the Allies

German churches were bombed by the Allies

A German boy in the ruined city of Nuremberg before the trial

A German boy in the ruined city of Nuremberg

The building in the city of Nuremberg where the war crimes trials were held

The building where the war crimes trials were held at the end of World War II

The old photograph above shows the east wing of the Palace of Justice in Nuremberg, Germany where the war crimes trials were held at the end of World War II. The courtroom was in Room 600, shown in the center of the east wing on the top floor. In the photo, room 600 can be identified by the curtains covering two of the windows.

My photo of the building where the war crimes trials were held

My photo of the building where the war crimes trials were held

To Americans, the name Nuremberg is synonymous with Justice, just as the name Munich is synonymous with Appeasement.

The Nuremberg IMT was more than just a trial. It was a graphic presentation to the entire world that the Allies had fought “the Good War” against the evil Nazis.

The Palace of Justice (Justizgebäude) at Fürtherstrasse 22, where the trial took place, was still being used as a court house when I visited the place in 1958.

The following quote is from the web site of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC:

The goals of the International Military Tribunal (IMT) transcended verdict and punishment. The creators of the court were deliberately assembling a public record of the horrific crimes committed by Germans during World War II, including those of the Holocaust.

American chief prosecutor Robert Jackson worried that “unless record was made future generations would not believe how horrible the truth was.”

In order to avoid any accusation of exclusive reliance on personal testimony, which later generations might perceive to be biased, prosecutors decided to base their case primarily on thousands of documents written by the Germans themselves. These masses of documents were translated into the court’s four official languages, analyzed for their significance, and reproduced for distribution to defense attorneys and other trial participants.

The prosecution presented other evidence through artifacts, diagrams, and photographs taken by Nazi photographers in concentration camps.

Nineteen investigative teams scoured German records, interviewed witnesses, and visited the sites of atrocities to build the case.
End quote

Now I am writing my explanation of the trials:

The charges at the Nuremberg main trial were based on the rules contained in Control Council Law No. 10 which stated the four categories of crimes, as follows:

CONTROL COUNCIL
Law No. 10

[…]

Article II

1. Each of the following acts is recognized as a crime:

(a) Crimes against Peace. Initiation of invasions of other countries and
wars of aggression in violation of international laws and treaties,
including but not limited to planning, preparation, initiation or waging a war of aggression, or a war of violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing.

(b) War Crimes. Atrocities or offenses against persons or property constituting violations of the laws or customs of war, including but not limited to, murder, ill treatment or deportation to slave labour or for any other purpose, of civilian population from occupied territory, murder or ill treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.

(a) Crimes against Humanity. Atrocities and offenses, including but not limited to murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, imprisonment, torture, rape, or other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds whether or not in violation of the domestic laws of the country where perpetrated.

(d) Membership in categories of a criminal group or organization declared criminal by the International Military Tribunal.

End of Article II

Control Council Law No. 10 included all war crimes committed by the Nazi regime against any and all nations and individuals between January 30, 1933, when Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor of Germany, and July 1, 1945.

Beginning in November 1945, a few days before the start of the IMT main trial, there were American Military Tribunal proceedings conducted at Dachau which included only crimes committed by the Germans against Allied nationals in concentration camps in Germany and Austria between January 1, 1942 and the liberation of each camp. This was roughly the period of time during which America was at war with Germany.

For the most part, the International Military Tribunal charged the defendants, not with individual responsibility for specific crimes, but with a “Common Plan” to commit crimes.

There was no law called “Common Plan” before the trials at Nuremberg started.  This was a new law that was made up by the Allies, specifically for the Germans. The winners of a war make the rules; there is not need for the winners to be fair to the losers.

According to the book  entitled Justice at Nuremberg by Robert E. Conot, the idea for the Common Plan charges against the Germans came from Lieutenant Colonel Murray C. Bernays, a Lithuanian Jew who had emigrated to American in 1900 at the age of six.

Before the trial, according to Conot’s book, Churchill and Roosevelt’s advisor Henry Morgenthau, Jr. had advocated that “the principal Nazi leaders should be charged with their crimes, then summarily shot.”

Bernays argued for a trial as “the educational and therapeutic opportunity of our generation.” Regarding the Nazi crimes, Bernays wrote “The crimes and atrocities were not single or unconnected, but the inevitable outcome of the basic criminal conspiracy of the Nazi party.”

There was nothing in international law which allowed a charge of participating in a “Common Plan.”

The German war criminals were specifically charged with violating the Hague convention of 1907 by invading and attacking countries without a formal declaration of war and with the violation of the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928 which called for Renunciation of War as an Instrument of National Policy. Under each of the three counts in the indictment, a detailed list of all the German crimes was entered by each of the four Allied countries: Great Britain, the United States of America, France and the Soviet Union.

Any atrocities committed by the Allies were not considered war crimes. After the war, France passed a law that no French citizen could be charged with a war crime.

The Soviet Union accused the German military and specifically Hermann Goering, head of the German Air Force, of committing the Katyn Forrest Massacre of 11,000 Polish army officers in September 1941.

The Germans had brought in American POWs as observers when the bodies were dug up. An American soldier testified for the defense regarding the Katyn Forrest Massacre; in 1989 the world learned that his testimony was correct when the Soviet Union admitted that it was really the Russians who had murdered a total of 15,000 Polish army officers before June 1941, and had falsely accused the Germans.

Hermann Goering, recognized by the court as the No. 2 man in Germany, was the most important witness for the defense. He defended the overthrow of the Weimar Republic in Germany by the Nazis, and claimed that the concentration camps were necessary and legal.

German citizens had rights similar to the rights of Americans under our Constitution, but the German Constitution included Article 48, the emergency clause, which allowed for civil rights to be suspended. Hitler had used Article 48 to suspend Germany’s equivalent of our Fourth Amendment right after the Reichstag fire on the night of February 27, 1933.

Starting in April 1942, America set up internment camps for Japanese-American citizens which violated their Fourth Amendment rights, but Germany’s concentration camps were technically legal under the German Constitution.

On the third day of his cross examination of Hermann Goering, Jackson questioned him about the treatment of the Jews in Nazi Germany, including the anti-Jewish Nuremberg Laws on Citizenship which Goering had signed in September 1935.

Then Jackson confronted Goering with the most incriminating piece of evidence in the entire trial: a letter dated July 31, 1941, in which Goering had ordered Reinhard Heydrich, the chief of the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA), to prepare a plan for the “Final solution of the Jewish question.”

Goering testified that the German term “Die Endlösung” in the letter should have been translated as the “total solution,” and that it referred only to “the emigration of the Jews,” not the extermination of Jews.

The Protocols of the Wannsee Conference, at which the “Final Solution” was planned, were not found until 1947, so this important document was not included in the mountain of evidence introduced at the International Military Tribunal at which the German war criminals were tried for Crimes against Humanity.

The phrase “Endlösung der Judenfrage” was not originated by Hermann Goering.

Long before the Wannsee Conference, the phrase “Endlösung der Judenfrage” appeared in the 1897 manifesto of the Zionist “National Jewish Association – Cologne”:

“ Experience has shown that civic emancipation has fallen short of securing the social and cultural future of the Jewish people. The Final Solution of the Jewish Question lies therefore in the establishment of the Jewish State.”

Theodor Herzl the “Father of Zionism'” used the term “the final solution of the Jewish Question” in an 1899 letter to the Russian Czar:

“I supplemented this endeavor in my covering letter to the Czar:

“Sire: It is to the graciousness of His Royal Highness the Grand Duke of Baden, who has Grand Duke of Baden, who has consented to become the exalted sponsor of my humble request for an audience with Your Imperial Majesty, that I owe my permission to submit the Zionist plan for the final solution of the Jewish Question.” [Source: The complete diaries of Theodor Herzl, Volume 3]

The Nuremberg trial had far-reaching consequences – for America and the world. In 1948 President Harry Truman desegregated the American armed forces, and in 1954 after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that school segregation was unconstitutional, Justice Robert Jackson who participated in the decision said that the Nuremberg experience and the “awful consequences of racial prejudice revealed by … the Nazi regime” had influenced his decision.

According to Conot’s book, before the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal proceedings, there was no international criminal code; the barbaric practices of the Nazis became war crimes under international law, only after the IMT proceedings, when the United Nations passed the Genocide Convention and a Declaration of Human Rights.

After World War II, the rules of warfare changed: reprisals can no longer be taken against hostages or Prisoners of War; forced labor is now outlawed; captured partisans are given equal status with regular POWs. The Germans had been convicted of all these crimes before they were crimes.

The verdicts at the Nuremberg IMT established international law and the actions of the Germans in World War II are now war crimes.

Regulations of all the major World War II armies now state that orders which would constitute the commission of a crime need not be obeyed.

All the crimes that were revealed at the Nuremberg trial have now been incorporated into international law and the defense used at the Nuremberg trial by the German generals and admirals that they were just obeying orders is no longer valid.

At the Nuremberg IMT, the horror films of the Allied liberation of the Nazi concentration camps at Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald and Dachau were shown at the trial, to the defendants and to the public.

An American-made documentary film, which showed all the graphic details of the gas pipes and control wheels which regulated the flow of poison gas through the shower heads of the Dachau gas chamber, was shown in the courtroom on November 29, 1945.

The German military and economic leaders were visibly stunned by this proof of a gas chamber at Dachau, and claimed that they were seeing and hearing about this unprecedented atrocity for the first time.

The American public was horrified that such a thing could have taken place in the civilized world.

Today, tourists are not allowed to see the gas pipes and control wheels that were shown in the courtroom at Nuremberg. Instead, they are shown bins on the outside wall of the gas chamber which were allegedly used to put the poison gas pellets into the room.

The entire trial was captured on film and shown to the world on TV. Newsreel films showed the city of Nürnberg as a pile of rubble, which had not yet been cleared when the trial started; the bodies of 20,000 German civilians were still buried under the destroyed buildings as the German war criminals were brought into the courtroom of the Palace of Justice.

The Palace of Justice had suffered some damage in the Allied bombing of Nürnberg, but it had been restored by the forced labor of the conquered Germans before the trial began.

It was at the Nuremberg trials that the whole world learned for the first time about the German atrocities, including all the gory details of the medical experiments on prisoners, the shrunken heads, the soap made from human fat, the leather goods made from the skin of concentration camp prisoners, and the gas chambers which accounted for the majority of the deaths at Auschwitz and Majdanek, where the Russians testified that not less than 4 million people had died in the Auschwitz complex and another 1.5 million had died at the Majdanek camp.

Today, the figures given for these camps is 1.1 million deaths at Auschwitz and 78,000 at Majdanek, including 59,000 Jews.

Before 1945, the city of Nürnberg (Nuremberg) was most famous for producing a type of gingerbread called Nürnberger Lebkuchen; now the city is known the world over as the location of the proceedings before the International Military Tribunal where German war criminals were put on trial in the aftermath of World War II.

To Americans, the name Nuremberg is synonymous with Justice, just as the name Munich is synonymous with Appeasement. The Palace of Justice (Justizgebäude) at Fürtherstrasse 22, where the trial took place, is still being used as a courthouse; the building is shown in the photographs on this page.

Until recently, trials were still being conducted in room #600 the very room where the leaders of the Third Reich sat as they listened to testimony about their Crimes against Peace, War Crimes, and Crimes against Humanity over half a century ago.

The Justizgebäude, where the defeated Germans faced the judgment of the victorious Allies, is on the opposite side of the city, and a world away, from the Zeppelin Field where Hitler addressed the cheering crowds and the German Army once paraded in all its glory.

The first trial, in 1945, at the Palace of Justice was the Trial of the Major War Criminals before the International Military Tribunal, consisting of prosecutors and judges from the United States, Great Britain, France and the Soviet Union. A second set of trials, known as the Nuremberg Military Tribunals, were conducted by the United States. The most famous of these trials were the Doctors’ Trial and the Judges’ Trial.

The Trial of the Major War Criminals began on November 20, 1945; British judge Sir Goeffrey Lawrence called the court to order, saying that “This trial, which is now about to begin, is unique in the annals of jurisprudence.” The trial ended nine months later on October 1, 1946.

The trial was unprecedented because the prosecutors who conducted the trial and the judges who made up the jury were both from the victorious Allies only. The International Tribunal and the charges against the Germans had been created under the terms of an agreement among the Allies, known as the London Charter, signed on August 8, 1945.

At the main trial, there were 100,000 documents accepted into evidence and the transcript of the trial filled 42 volumes with more than 5 million words. According to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, Allied prosecutors submitted some 3,000 tons of records at the Nuremberg IMT. The defense was not allowed access to any documents except the ones that were actually used by the prosecution.

One of the most important witnesses at the International Military Tribunal was Rudolf Höss, also known as Rudolf Hoess, who was a defense witness for Ernst Kaltenbrunner, one of the men on trial.

During the cross examination of Hoess, by the prosecution, an affidavit which he had signed on May 14, 1946 was introduced. This was his confession, sworn under oath, in which he admitted that 2 million Jews had been put to death by gassing and half a million more by other means while he was the Commandant of Auschwitz. This did not include the Hungarian Jews who were gassed while Hoess was not the Commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau.

There were 403 open sessions conducted by the IMT, and 113 witnesses were called to the stand including 33 for the prosecution and 80 for the defense.

Many prosecution witnesses gave testimony in an affidavit and did not take the stand, so the defense had no opportunity to cross examine them under oath. Even when Ernst Kaltenbrunner demanded that a prosecution witness take the stand so that he could confront him, the request was denied.

The complete transcript of the main Nuremberg trial, with the 216 days of testimony against the 22 defendants, was published in book form and it is also available online on the Internet.

 

 

46 Comments »

  1. They don’t remotely deserve the name “trials.” They were indictments followed by convictions followed by sentences, a process that enabled both the promulgation and the “proof” of some of the most-vicious propaganda ever invented. Propaganda that remains “proven” today.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — June 14, 2016 @ 8:18 pm

    • Aaaawwww.
      Perhaps you would prefer they shot them out of hand.
      That was an option on the table.

      Perhaps a better option existed for Hitler. Maybe he shouldn’t have invaded Poland. Or the Soviet Union. Or declared war on the US.
      None of those moves are guaranteed to make friends.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 8:40 pm

      • Jeff you do know that United States declared war on Germany when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 14, 2016 @ 8:56 pm

        • Jim, I have no words.
          No, the US did not.
          FDR didn’t have the votes to declare war, Jim. Public opinion backed only a war against Japan, not Germany.
          Hitler let FDR off the hook by declaring war.

          Jim, honestly. The Holocaust Handbooks are limiting your ability to understand real history.

          Even your craptastic author, MS King, excused the German declaration by stating Hitler fulfilled a treaty obligation by declaring war.
          He was wrong, of course. The German-Japanese treaty only covered defensive actions, i.e. if the US attacked Japan.

          Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 9:06 pm

          • Jeff……You have no words then let me sum it up for you

            The 6 million Myth

            So essentially, the myth is summarized as 6 million jews being shipped to Poland to be killed with bug spray.

            No more lies about the Auschwitz Krema I being a “Homicidal Gas Chamber” when the facts show that it would be impossible to kill people in those buildings – couldn’t sustain ‘gassings’ there with Zyklon B: Good for killing little bugs but not for killing people. And those funny-looking holes in the roof? Ya, someone just chiseled them in to make it all look good. Problem is, they did a real bad job. Germans would have made better cuts in the concrete.

            And how about cremating 10,000. 20,000, 40,000 people a day, pick a number as many “eyewitnesses” have done …… Sorry to say the 50 or so crematoriums in all the camps on a good day going full steam ahead might cremate approx 1200 bodies in 20 hrs. The real figure that lines up with all the facts is about 170 bodies a day x 2-1/2 years the time the camps were running might get you to 155,000 bodies, which by the way is what they say is the figure of all deaths in the camps, and half of them might have been Jews. Of course these figures can fluctuate a little but still no 6 million — not even close. Of course no one tells you the crematoriums had to be rebuilt after approx 3000 bodies, and the fact that none were rebuilt, shows you that they never reached the 3000 body limit. How do they explain that one? Oh ya it was the miracle crematorium that just kept going, and going and going… where the ash, bones, teeth EVAPORATED into think air.

            How about those fake showers? I guess the Germans had some system where they could have water come out of them and then flick a switch and that nasty bug spray comes out. Next joke!

            Don’t forget to show all the fumigation chambers which for some reason don’t show up on the real tour, I guess we wouldn’t want the people to know that the real “gas chambers” were fumigation chambers, especially made for those pesky little bugs that seem to get into everything (typhus-producing lice). Those Jews sure knew how to attract those little creatures. I guess their hygiene wasn’t the best as they didn’t bathe that often. Of course the long beards on the men didn’t help any.

            Of course Zyklon B (fumigant) was abundantly available. All of Europe was dealing with a typhus epidemic.

            So essentially, the myth is summarized as 6 million jews being shipped to Poland to be killed with bug spray.

            Jim Rizoli
            CCFIILE.COM

            Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 6:07 am

            • “Jeff……You have no words then let me sum it up for you

              The 6 million Myth

              So essentially, the myth is summarized as 6 million jews being shipped to Poland to be killed with bug spray.”

              Jim, I don’t know why you continue to say this.

              It’s wrong, even by denier standards.
              No one ever said the Nazis gassed 6 million Jews. Anyone who says this is incorrect.

              Around three million Jews died in gas chambers. The rest died of mass shootings, starvation, disease, maltreatment, not by “bug spray.”
              The victims of mass shootings died close to their residences.
              Also, Jim and I can’t stress this enough, Zyclon B is not bug spray.

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 6:52 am

              • Jeff your numbers are way off there might have been a few hundred thousand Jews that died during this time period you can’t prove anymore by the records.
                Remember Jeff you’re the one perpetrating this hoax you have to come up with the numbers the figures the true facts and not the dreams and the lies and the forgeries and all the things that you been coming up with when you can show the truth and how this all went down fine but you haven’t so far we Triggers don’t have to prove anything you are the one that has to prove that this all happened and so far you haven’t done it.
                But one thing I will say the Holohucksters out there have sure got an elaborate explanation for everything even though they can’t show any of it.
                Like they say if the legend becomes truth then print the legend.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 8:02 am

                • “Jeff your numbers are way off there might have been a few hundred thousand Jews that died during this time period you can’t prove anymore by the records.”

                  I think your numbers are way off, Jim.

                  “Remember Jeff you’re the one perpetrating this hoax”

                  I’m not perpetrating anything, we are talking about established historical fact.

                  “you have to come up with the numbers the figures the true facts and not the dreams and the lies and the forgeries and all the things that you been coming up with when you can show the truth and how this all went down fine but you haven’t so far we Triggers don’t have to prove anything you are the one that has to prove that this all happened and so far you haven’t done it.”

                  It’s been proved…..over and over again.
                  If deniers have a different version then they have to prove their version.

                  “But one thing I will say the Holohucksters out there have sure got an elaborate explanation for everything even though they can’t show any of it.
                  Like they say if the legend becomes truth then print the legend.”

                  No, no elaborate explanation needed. It’s just historical fact.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 10:00 am

              • You wrote: “Around three million Jews died in gas chambers.”

                Do you have information about how many of these 3 million died in each of the gas chambers?

                I wrote about all the gas chambers and included photos of all the gas chambers on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/how-many-of-the-nazi-gas-chambers-are-still-in-existence/

                Comment by furtherglory — June 15, 2016 @ 8:09 am

                • With regard to the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust, best estimates for the breakdown of Jewish loss according to location of death follow:

                  Auschwitz complex (including Birkenau, Monowitz, and subcamps): approximately 1 million

                  Treblinka 2: approximately 925,000

                  Belzec: 434,508

                  Sobibor: at least 167,000

                  Chelmno: 156,000–172,000

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 9:54 am

                • Thanks for the numbers Jeff…..now prove it.
                  Oh ya thats right, we dumbo goyim have to except the HoloHuxsters side of it when they can’t even determine how these HoloHoaxers even died.
                  Most by sickness and disease…..which is easy to see by the skin and bone bodies. Haven’t ever seen a full figured dead body yet.
                  I’m still waiting for an autopsy report of one person that was said to be gassed in a homicidal gas chamber….not to mention a picture of what a real homicidal gas chamber looked like and how it worked. No weapon, no crime scene, no honest witnesses, no nothing…..just believe.
                  Again if this all was presented in a real honest non Jew run court system they sure would have a tough time proving their case.
                  Maybe you can make a Perry Mason type movie out of it and get away with it, there are plenty of fiction lawyer shows out there that gullible people would believe as true.
                  Again, when the legend becomes accepted as truth then print the legend, more exciting then the truth.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 10:16 am

                • “Thanks for the numbers Jeff…..now prove it.
                  Oh ya thats right, we dumbo goyim”

                  What’s a goyim, Jim? Is that like a “putz?”

                  “have to except the HoloHuxsters side of it when they can’t even determine how these HoloHoaxers even died.”

                  Do you really want to do this, Jim?

                  “Most by sickness and disease…..which is easy to see by the skin and bone bodies. Haven’t ever seen a full figured dead body yet.
                  I’m still waiting for an autopsy report of one person that was said to be gassed in a homicidal gas chamber….not to mention a picture of what a real homicidal gas chamber looked like and how it worked. No weapon, no crime scene, no honest witnesses, no nothing…..just believe.”

                  The allies never autopsied a gas victim because those bodies were burned. Also, the last gassings at Birkenau occurred in October of 1944, the Soviets “liberated” the camp in January of 1945.

                  “Again if this all was presented in a real honest non Jew run court system they sure would have a tough time proving their case.”

                  Multiple trials, Jim. Some of the accused got off or got light sentences.

                  “Maybe you can make a Perry Mason type movie out of it and get away with it, there are plenty of fiction lawyer shows out there that gullible people would believe as true.”

                  Oddly, this is true. My father-in-law hated shows like “CSI” because as an ADA he found most juries thought crimes were solved in a day.

                  “Again, when the legend becomes accepted as truth then print the legend, more exciting then the truth.”

                  You talk a lot but you don’t seem to really say anything.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 11:27 am

              • You wrote: “Also, Jim and I can’t stress this enough, Zyclon B is not bug spray.”

                Zyklon-B was used by the Nazis to kill lice and other “bugs”. DDT was used for the same purpose in the USA. The Germans had already discovered that DDT was harmful to the environment, so they were using Zyklon-B instead.

                Comment by furtherglory — June 15, 2016 @ 8:20 am

          • You can read about who declared war upon whom, and when it was declared, here:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_declaration_of_war_upon_Germany_(1941)

            Comment by furtherglory — June 15, 2016 @ 8:28 am

            • Please note that the US declaration came after Germany’s declaration.

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 8:35 am

  2. All parties involved in the war should have brought should have been brought up on war crimes but they decided just to let the Germans be brought up on them so that’s how it goes do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do.
    Apparently the way the Allies fought the war was more Humane than the Germans tell that the Dresden.
    There are many of us who know better.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — June 13, 2016 @ 8:37 am

    • You wrote: “Apparently the way the Allies fought the war was more Humane than the [way] Germans tell that the Dresden.”

      I wrote about the bombing of Dresden on his blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/the-bombing-of-coventry-and-dresden/

      Comment by furtherglory — June 13, 2016 @ 8:52 am

    • “All parties involved in the war should have brought should have been brought up on war crimes but they decided just to let the Germans be brought up on them so that’s how it goes do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do.”

      Why do you say that, Jim?
      The Germans invaded Poland and the USSR without a formal declaration of war, they did the same to Yugoslavia, Greece, Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium. Those countries definitely had the right to justice, especially the Poles and the Soviets.
      Remember cause and effect, Jim? Without the Germans invading Poland there would be no British or US bombers over Germany. There would be no Red Army soldiers plundering and raping their way through Germany.

      “Apparently the way the Allies fought the war was more Humane than the Germans tell that the Dresden.”

      Grow up, Jim.
      Dresden was a major manufacturing center and a railway hub.

      “There are many of us who know better.”

      Perhaps not.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 13, 2016 @ 9:54 am

      • Apparently the Russians invading Poland wasn’t an issue. Jeff please show me where the manufacturing was going on in that City that they had to bomb it They did not have to bomb Dresden or the other cities that have innocent people living there.

        JRv

        Comment by jrizoli — June 13, 2016 @ 10:21 am

        • “Apparently the Russians invading Poland wasn’t an issue.”

          Well, it certainly didn’t upset Hitler. This was part of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the agreement that allowed both parties to occupy Poland, as the Russians and Prussians agreed to before.

          Doesn’t bother me, of course. I understand Hitler’s decision to crawl into bed with the Soviets. After all, it freed up the Eastern Front and allowed Hitler to concentrate on the British and French. It was a purely pragmatic decision that benefitted both parties greatly.

          I can see why YOU don’t particularly want to talk about it. The thought of your hero Hitler gettin’ busy with Stalin probably upsets you greatly, never mind the fact it helped SPREAD Communism into areas it hadn’t existed previously. Basically it placed the Baltic states, half of Poland (including the half with oil) and Finland in the clutches of the Judeo-Bolshevists (😂😂😂😂😂😱😱😱😱😂😱😂😱😂).
          Oh, no. Hitler crawling into bed with a country run by Jews?!?!?!???!!??!!!??!!!!!! Say it isn’t so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

          “Jeff please show me where the manufacturing was going on in that City that they had to bomb it They did not have to bomb Dresden or the other cities that have innocent people living there.”

          Maybe you should tell that to the Germans. They bombed undefended cities in Poland long before the British thought about doing so.
          They continued that practice in Yugoslavia, the Soviet Union….

          Comment by Jeff K. — June 13, 2016 @ 11:49 am

  3. One of the charges was “waging aggressive war”. So the defendants are condemned by the prosecution for the invasion of Poland by Germany on September 1 1939. But this same prosecution team is made up of Soviet personnel when their own country the USSR invaded Poland on September 17 1939 in keeping with the terms of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. So the prosecution is basically saying your invasion of Poland is bad but ours is okay. This is supposed to be a fair trial ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

    Comment by Les — June 13, 2016 @ 8:23 am

  4. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/02-13-46.asp

    Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 9:44 am

  5. http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English58.pdf

    Commisar order

    Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 9:36 am

    • Really now…..If the Jews have ANYTHING to do with translating German documents I stay away from them…..
      They have lied so many times in the past why would I trust them.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — June 9, 2016 @ 9:41 am

      • Jim, you were bitching that the condemned at Nuremberg were hung on the basis of eyewitness testimony.
        For the most part everything I have posted has very little to nothing to do with eyewitness testimony.

        Most of it is from either documents or what the Germans said themselves.

        Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 9:48 am

        • Jeff…I guess you don’t get it…..The Jews have falsified many documents to make their HoloHoax work with the lies…..
          Nuremberg was loaded with false documents that ended up getting about a dozen innocent men hanged (with NO appeal process) so it’s going to be a hard sell for me to believe ANYTHING you present saying it’s authentic. The Jews and Soviets are notorious liars always have been.
          Thats why I keep my investigation of the HoloHoax pretty simple…..just show me a real live homicidal gas chamber and duplicate a mass gassing scenario. You don’t even have to have the people in it just place meters to read the numbers…..
          Bottom line….they could do it if they wanted to but they refuse because they know it’s impossible to duplicate a mass gassing with ZB unless they put 100 times the amount needed to get the chambers up to killing speed in the amount of time required to be toxic. Germar Rudolfs latest video shows it…..

          Also even if the documents were true what would they prove….oh yes, the Germans hated the Jews….LOL No surprises there. Do you blame them….
          But there is a big difference on hating a person and killing them. You can’t prove that mass killings occurred in ANY venue….shootings, gassings, electrocutions, beheading, slapping them in the ass…..really does it matter how you say they died if you can’t show the murder weapon in action.
          Even the simplest crime scenes of a murder are recreated….JFK, a good example….so you’re going to tell me the largest mass extermination of millions of people can’t be recreated to see if it was at all possible. Sure they show it in their HoloHoax movies but movies and the real thing are quite a leap.
          Of course when “the legend becomes fact print the legend”…..and they sure have done that and continue to do it ad naseam.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — June 9, 2016 @ 10:08 am

          • “work with the lies…..
            Nuremberg was loaded with false documents that ended up getting about a dozen innocent men hanged (with NO appeal process) so it’s going to be a hard sell for me to believe ANYTHING you present saying it’s authentic.”

            PROVE. IT.
            What evidence do you have that the documents I provided are forged?

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 10:12 am

        • This is a good place to start scroll down to documents…
          http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_webera.html

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — June 9, 2016 @ 10:17 am

          • So, let’s see, out of 485 tons of documents there are 4-5, perhaps a few more, that are questionable?

            Snore.

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 10:44 am

      • Jim, the Nizkor article also provides the German part untranslated.
        Translate it yourself.

        Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 9:49 am

  6. At the Nuremberg mock trials, the Holocaust case (the “Jewish case”) was mainly elaborated by a Zionist organization named ‘the Institute of Jewish Affairs’ (a pseudo-scientific propaganda tool of the Zionist ‘World Jewish Congress’). The IJA was directed by Zionist jurist Jacob Robinson. Beside his job of US Prosecutor Jackson’s adviser at Nuremberg, Robinson became legal adviser to the Jewish Agency (i.e. the pre-Israeli Jewish government of Palestine) at the UN in 1947 and legal counsel to Israel’s delegation from 1948 to 1957. On November 1, 1946, acknowledging that Robinson had been the main architect and the real father of the Holocaust story at the Nuremberg IMT, US Prosecutor Robert Jackson wrote a letter to the IJA, saying: “The Nazi persecution of the Jews was one of the major phases of the Prosecution’s case, and the successful presentation of that aspect of the case was greatly aided by the contribution made by the Institute of Jewish Affairs.” Israel’s founding myth was made up by a gang of Zionists feeding the victors’ Nuremberg kangaroo courts with their own stuff for political purposes…

    Comment by hermie — June 9, 2016 @ 4:58 am

  7. It got us some information but it’s not as good a source as the Eichmann trial.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2016 @ 7:22 pm

  8. The Greatest Crimes Against Humanity of the Twentieth Century were conducted by the United States and Britain against men, woman and children of Germany and Japan the waning days of WW II. But that crime increased in malevolence following the capitulation of Germany in the ethnic cleansing of Germans from Eastern Europe resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of German civilians; General Eisenhower’s redesignating of German POWs as Disarmed Enemy Combatants, thus denying them Geneva Conventions of War status and herding hundreds of thousands of these POWs behind barbed wire in the Rhine Meadows without shelter, food, water, or sanitary facilities. To cap off this most disgraceful period in the disgusting history of this nation, we (at the instigation of the most supremely evil degenerate tribe of, in not genetically but memetically more lizoid than hominid beasts to inhabit the planet in thousands of years) conducted the greatest Miscarriage of Justice in the history mankind… the Nurenberg Military Tribunals, the International Military Tribunal and the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. But all the depraved mendacity involved in those shams, pale in comparison to the monumental depth of depravity, mendacity, hatred, greed, rottenness to the essence of their beings is the perpetuity of not the historiography but the “hysteriagraphy” that is the Holocaust.

    Comment by shafarnullifidian — June 8, 2016 @ 6:08 pm

    • You wrote: “General Eisenhower’s redesignating of German POWs as Disarmed Enemy Combatants, thus denying them Geneva Conventions of War status and herding hundreds of thousands of these POWs behind barbed wire in the Rhine Meadows without shelter, food, water, or sanitary facilities.”

      I wrote about Eisenhower’s Rhine Meadows camp on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/EasternGermany/Gotha/

      Comment by furtherglory — June 9, 2016 @ 6:30 am

    • “The Greatest Crimes Against Humanity of the Twentieth Century were conducted by the United States and Britain against men, woman and children of Germany and Japan the waning days of WW II. But that crime increased in malevolence following the capitulation of Germany in the ethnic cleansing of Germans from Eastern Europe resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of German civilians;”

      So, you don’t count the deaths of millions of non-combatant Poles, Russians, Belorussians, Ukrainians and Jews as war crimes?
      You don’t count the mass deportations of millions of Poles and Jews from their homes without compensation as war crimes?
      You don’t count the 2 million Red Army POWs who died of starvation, maltreatment and disease between June 22nd, 1941 and the Spring of 1942 as a war crime?
      You have a really narrow view of war crimes.
      Do you mean to say that if Germans commit war crimes it doesn’t count?

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 9, 2016 @ 10:09 am

  9. The Nuremburg trials which proved to be the most disgraceful legal farce in History.

    JR

    Senator Joseph McCarthy said in a statement given to the American press on May 20th 1949 Quote….
    I have heard evidence and read documentary proof to the effect that the accused persons were beaten up maltreated and physically tortured by methods which could only be conceived in sick brains they were subject to mock trials and pretended executions they were told their families would be deprived of their ration cards. All these things were carried out with the approval of the public prosecutor in order to secure the psychological atmosphere necessary for the extortion of the required confessions. If the United States let such acts committed by a few people go unpunished than the whole world can rightly criticize us severely and forever doubt the correctness of our motives and our moral integrity”

    Comment by jrizoli — June 8, 2016 @ 4:49 pm

  10. H. K. Thompson and H. Strutz, eds., Dönitz at Nuremberg (1983), pp. 194-195. Similarly, British Admiral Sir Barry Domville, former Director of British Naval Intelligence and President of the Royal Naval College, stated: “Anybody who was a victim of the iniquitous Nuremberg Trials has my deep sympathy. I am only surprised that so many reputable men in both our countries were found willing to take part in such a travesty of justice … The Nuremberg Trials leave an indelible blot upon the reputations of all countries which took part in them.” (H. K. Thompson and H. Strutz, eds., Dönitz at Nuremberg, p. 164.)

    Comment by Diane King — June 8, 2016 @ 4:47 pm


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