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June 14, 2016

the mother of Gene Simmons saw her mother walk into the gas chamber…

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The title of my blog post today comes from a line in a news article which you can read in full here:

Begin quote from news article:

[Gene] Simmons was born Chaim Witz in 1949. He and his mother immigrated [emigrated] to the United States from Israel when he was eight years old.

Speaking with Big Issue, Simmons discussed her [his mother’s] traumatizing past with the Nazis. “My mother was 14 when she was in the concentration camp in Nazi Germany,” he said. “My father left us when I was about six. She, bless her—she continues to be a force—she never spoke about it.”

Even though his mother didn’t want to discuss what she’d been through, Simmons pushed forward by investigating what it was like. “I did my own research and found out just now terrible it was,” he said. “I’ve tried to talk about it but she just won’t do it. She saw her mother walk into the gas chambers. Her whole family was destroyed. My mother was the only one left alive. And she was 14. I’ve been to the Holocaust museum in Israel. The Nazis kept detailed records of every name and I saw my mother’s name at 14, listed as one of the passengers on the train.”

End quote

Wait a minute! His mother was 14, but she was not sent to the gas chamber? Only children 15 and older were allowed to live. Obviously, she lied about her age. One of the Sonderkommano men, who was standing beside the train, probably told her to lie about her age and say that she was 15, not 14.

To which gas chamber was his grandmother sent?

Gas chamber at Auschwitz-Birkeanu

Gas chamber number IV at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Gas chamber at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Gas chamber number III at Auschwitz-Birkenau

How cruel the Nazis were! To let a 14 year girl live, so that she could watch as her mother walked to her death!

But how did she know that her mother was walking into a gas chamber?

Birkenau was a 425 acre site, but the gas chambers could be seen from the trains, as the Jews arrived.  Especially gas chamber number III which was very near the tracks. This is the same gas chamber from which Irene Zisblatt was saved when a young boy threw her over the fence and into an open train car on the tracks.

So we have proof that the mother of Gene Simmons was on a train that arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau. What is the proof that she was gassed?

One would think that the Nazis would have tried to keep the gassing of the Jews a secret. But No! They were too stupid to put the gas chambers out of sight.

448 Comments »

  1. Have any of you heard of John Guzlowski?

    Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2016 @ 3:20 pm

    • Book review

      Lightning and Ashes
      John Guzlowski
      Steel Toe Books
      2007

      John Guzlowski’s book, Lightning and Ashes, chronicles the lives of Guzlowski’s parents in WWII and post-WWII Europe, where his mother and father were placed in labor camps and later filed away as Displaced Persons before eventually immigrating to The United States, where many of these poems are also based. In many ways the poems of this book are historical, political poems. Yet Lightning and Ashes also meditates on the connections between generations, from mother-to-son, father-to-daughter, and how the wires and signals of experience get crossed in good ways and bad. There’s a temptation to consider or label Guzlowski’s work plain, sparse, gray. But there’s a reason for that. Because Lightning and Ashes attempts to answer a question not often posed by poetry nearly enough anymore: How does one utilize imagination in an effort to record terror, hostility, depravation, when experiences like those of Guzlowski’s parents render metaphor and simile out of place, if not entirely useless? In light of this question, Guzlowski decides to let such devices take a backseat, not an easy thing for a poet to do, and lets the facts of the story do the work for him instead. Only on occasion do these poems employ tactful artifice. “German Soldiers Come to My Mother’s Village,” for instance, marks a drastic shift in perspective as Guzlowski assumes the voice of a German soldier who tells us of a group of Poles:

      There is no fat for their lamps. The sole light
      you see comes from a candle in a cellar
      where a woman in rags searches for roots.

      This is the only world they’ll ever know:
      these huts, and the mud road that brought us here.
      The opening to “There Were No Miracles,” however, embodies the tact of the majority of this book:

      Men died where they stood

      Children were left
      for the dogs and the pigs

      At its best, Lightning and Ashes is a book concerned with lessons learned. Sometimes the learning may have taken half a lifetime, however, and most often it isn’t a political or historical lesson. In “Chores” Guzlowski reflects on an exchange with his mother:

      One day I asked my mother,
      “How about an allowance
      for sweeping these stairs?
      A quarter once a week?”

      When his mother denies him, Guzlowski remember how:

      She grabbed my broom
      and went outside and stopped
      the first kid she saw on the street,

      a kid I hated from school,
      and she gave him a quarter
      just for doing the stairs
      I would’ve done for free.

      Perhaps this is Guzlowski reflecting back on a lesson learned decades ago. Perhaps it’s a reflection of a lesson learned only now, decades later. Either way, the moment has stuck with him, and for good reason, just as many of these poems stick with the reader…..

      Comment by jrizoli — June 19, 2016 @ 3:27 pm

    • I think Miss Click mentioned something about that person. Might ask her next time she shows up here.

      Comment by Tim — June 19, 2016 @ 4:41 pm

    • He will be appearing on the Leonard Lopate Show tomorrow.

      Comment by Anonymous — June 19, 2016 @ 11:22 pm

      • Who the Leo Lepate

        Comment by Tim — June 20, 2016 @ 7:41 am

  2. Talbot, you asked me earlier today how I distinguish between real historians.
    I replied, you never answered.

    This was my replyto Jim earlier. Basically it’s the same thing I told you.

    Real historians don’t do what is below:

    Jeff K. on June 16, 2016 at 3:09 pm
    Let me show you something, Jim.

    http://vho.org/GB/Books/t/13.html

    This is Mattogono/Graf’s book on Treblinka.

    This is the document they used to “prove” the existence of “gassed Jews” in the Soviet Union.

    It appears they cropped this image so that only the bit about the 1000 Jews shows up.

    The reality is that the document is much longer.

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXII.pdf

    If you go to page 281 it shows the full text.

    This is the translation:

    http://www.historiography-project.com/nca/nca06/3428-PS.php

    Don’t give me any shit about Holocaust liars, Jim. The authors of that book deliberately distorted a document to lie.

    I typed two sentences here. My temper got the better of me for a moment, I eased back and deleted them.

    Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 4:46 pm

    • Jeff – I can’t quite see what you are getting your “knickers in a twist” about. The document doesn’t refer to any killings or exterminations. It just says liquidate and eliminate. And anyone and everyone is free to make their own mind up how they interpret these words. I choose to believe that what is actually being said here, is that the Germans wanted to eliminate a Jewish presence in White Ruthenia, and remove the Jews themselves from the entire region.

      I can’t speak for Carlos Mattogno as to why he chose to include just that portion referring to Jews being deported from Warsaw, but I imagine he wanted to emphasise that the Rheinhardt camps were not the end of the line for the Jews, but that they were being sent on eastwards into former Soviet territory. And quite frankly, that is half the gist of the document’s content. The author is pleading with his superiors not to send any more transports of Jews from Poland, Germany etc. into White Ruthenia, because his men can’t even cope with the present situation there.

      Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 5:27 pm

      • “Jeff – I can’t quite see what you are getting your “knickers in a twist” about.”

        Do you remove your dentures when you drink all that denier Kool-Aid?

        “The document doesn’t refer to any killings or exterminations. It just says liquidate and eliminate.”

        My God, that is so funny…..every time you say it.

        I can literally see/hear you sucking down the denier Kool-Aid.

        Let’s go to the document:

        “Following exhaustive discussions with the SS Brigadefuehrer Zenner and the exceedingly capable Leader of the SD, SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. jur. Strauch, we have liquidated about 55,000 Jews in Byelorussia in the past 10 weeks. In the area of Minsk county Jewry has been completely eliminated without any danger to the manpower requirements. In the predominantly Polish area of Lida, 16,000 Jews were liquidated, in Slonim, 8,000, etc.”

        What does “Liquidate” mean?

        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liquidate

        Simple Definition of liquidate

        business : to sell (a business, property, etc.) especially to pay off debt
        : to pay all the money owed for (a debt)
        : to destroy (something) or kill (someone)

        Maybe Kube was talking about selling them for cash. I wonder what a Jew was worth in 1942.
        Anyway, let’s continue:

        “Owing to encroachment by the Army Rear Zone (Command), which has already been reported, there was interference with the preparations we had made for the liquidation of the Jews in Glebokie. Without contacting me, the Army Rear Zone Command liquidated 10,000 Jews, whose systematic elimination had in any case been planned by us. In the city of Minsk about 10,000 Jews were liquidated on July 28 and 29. Of these 6,500 were Russian Jews – mainly old men, women and children – and the rest Jews incapable of work, who were sent to Minsk in November of last year by order of the Fuehrer, mainly from Vienna, Bruenn, Bremen and Berlin.”

        They “liquidated” 6500 Russian Jews, mainly old men, women and children. They sold these poor souls off??!!??!! Oh, the humanity!!!!

        “The District of Sluzk has also been relieved of several thousand Jews. The same applies to Nowogrodek and Wilejka. Radical measures are planned for Baranowitschi and Hanzewitschi. In Baranowitschi there are still another 10,000 Jews in the city itself, of whom 9,000 will be liquidated next month.”

        Old Kube must’ve been desperate for cash.

        “In the city of Minsk about 2,600 Jews from Germany have remained. In addition all of the 6,000 Russian Jews and Jewesses remained alive who were employed during the Aktion by various units [of the Wehrmacht].”

        Whoa, wait a minute. Remained alive?????!!!!!???? Wait, I thought Kube was just selling them!!!!

        Uh, oh. We may have to consider the possibility that Kube wasn’t selling these Jews.

        “In future, too, Minsk will remain the largest Jewish element owing to the concentration of armament industries in the area and as the requirements of the railroad make this necessary for the time being. In all other areas the number of Jews used for work will be reduced by the SD and myself to a maximum of 800, and, if possible, 500, so that when the remaining planned Aktionen have been completed there will be 8,600 in Minsk and about 7,000 Jews in the 10 other districts, including the Jew-free Minsk District. There will then be no further danger that the partisans can still rely to any real extent on Jewry. Naturally I and the SD would like it best if Jewry in the Generalbezirk of Byelorussia was finally eliminated after their labor is no longer required by the Wehrmacht. For the time being the essential requirements of the Wehrmacht, the main employer of Jewry, are being taken into consideration.”

        Well, that seems promising.

        “In addition to this unambiguous attitude towards Jewry, the SD in Byelorussia also has the onerous task of continually transferring new transports of Jews from the Reich to their destination. This causes excessive strain on the physical and spiritual capacities of the personnel of the SD, and withdraws them from duties within the area of Byelorussia itself.

        I should therefore be grateful if the Reichskommissar could see his way to stopping further deportations of Jews to Minsk at least until the danger from the partisans has been finally overcome. I need 100 percent of the SD manpower against the Partisans and the Polish Resistance Movement, which together occupy the entire strength of the not overwhelmingly strong SD units.”

        Wait, this was the height of the transports from the Polish ghettos. Where were these poor people supposed to go?????

        “After completion of the Aktion against the Jews in Minsk, SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. Strauch reported to me this night, with justified indignation, that suddenly, without instructions from the Reichsfuehrer, and without notification to the Generalkommissar, a transport of 1,000 Jews from Warsaw has arrived for the local Luftwaffe Command.”

        Seems pissed about 1000 Jews.

        “I beg the Reichskommissar (already warned by telegram) to prevent the dispatch of such transports, in his capacity as supreme authority in Ostland. The Polish Jew, exactly like the Russian Jew, is an enemy of the German nation. He represents a politically dangerous element, a danger which far exceeds his value as a skilled worker. Under no circumstances should the army or the Luftwaffe import Jews into an area under civil administration, either from the Government-General or from elsewhere, without the approval of the Reichskommissar, as this endangers the entire political task here and the security of the Generalbezirk. I am in full agreement with the Commander of the SD in Byelorussia that we should liquidate every transport of Jews not arranged, or announced to us, by our superior officers, to prevent further disturbances in Byelorussia.”

        He’s talking about “liquidation” again. I don’t think he’s talking about selling them, after all.

        “And anyone and everyone is free to make their own mind up how they interpret these words. I choose to believe that what is actually being said here, is that the Germans wanted to eliminate a Jewish presence in White Ruthenia, and remove the Jews themselves from the entire region.”

        Well, you can CHOOSE to believe that.

        So, that denier Kool-Aid…..does it make you incapable of understanding that most normal people realize “liquidating” means killing?

        “I can’t speak for Carlos Mattogno as to why he chose to include just that portion”

        Yet, if a real historian pulled that crap deniers would scream to high heaven about it.

        “referring to Jews being deported from Warsaw, but I imagine he wanted to emphasise that the Rheinhardt camps were not the end of the line for the Jews, but that they were being sent on eastwards into former Soviet territory.”

        No, he didn’t want to deal with the whole “liquidation” thing.

        “And quite frankly, that is half the gist of the document’s content.”

        No, it is not. The majority of the document deals with the liquidation of Jews in Belorussia.

        “The author is pleading with his superiors not to send any more transports of Jews from Poland, Germany etc. into White Ruthenia, because his men can’t even cope with the present situation there.”

        The major transports occurred at that time, Talbot. If Kube didn’t want them, where did they go?

        Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 6:59 pm

        • Well, Jeff, if you are quite certain that all these Jews were exterminated, then your next task is tell us how, when, where and by whom, these people met their deaths. Please can you pin-point the massacre sites and the mass graves. And also, pray tell us, if all these sites have been forensically examined for conclusive evidence.

          Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 8:28 pm

          • Jeff likes to tell us things that didn’t happen and then he asked us to prove that it didn’t happen.
            Go figure!

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 8:30 pm

            • Here’s the thing, Jim.

              I’d never bothered to check the documents that your craptastic authors mangle at the end of those stupid Holocaust Handbooks until this morning.

              I’d heard they did that but I’d never bothered to check it out for myself.

              I did.

              You know what?

              It REALLY pissed me off. The blatant intellectual dishonesty made me furious.

              The fact that Mattogono and Graf sliced and diced Kube’s document to conform to their pathetic theory of Jewish “settlements” in the East simply confirmed to me how full and I do mean full, of shit Holocaust deniers really are.

              So, this is what I’m going to do:

              I’m going to spend some time looking at the documents they post at the end of their books. Then I’m going to match them to the documents as they exist.
              Every time you screech about Holocaust “liars” I’m going to show you what a liar looks like.

              That’s fair, right? I mean, if “scholars” like Graf and Mattogono are deliberately distorting historical documents for their own purposes that makes them liars, correct?

              Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 9:31 pm

            • Yes, I sometimes get that impression, Jim – that the indefatigable and ever-zealous Jeff gets hold of some dubious, obscure information from the most suspect and unreliable sources imaginable, and thrusts it before our gaze, and then demands vehemently that we immediately disprove it without us even having the time, the resources or the ability to check it all out.

              Comment by Talbot — June 17, 2016 @ 5:26 am

          • Ok, Talbot.

            Many of the dead were shot by local collaboraters:

            http://www.templerodefshalom.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Rein-L.-Local-Collaboration-in-Belarus.pdf

            That PDF also contains information about the Einsatzgruppen.

            The Wehrmacht was also complicit in the killing of the Jews (I haven’t had a chance to read all of it, looks interesting)

            https://cdr.lib.unc.edu/indexablecontent/uuid:78921817-8def-4a32-baf4-8eaf2f740592

            As far as the where and the when:

            http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/belarus/belarus.html

            I have no idea if there were any forensic investigations done, however, I’ve already posted pictures of excavations of mass graves.

            Enjoy the reading material.

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 9:17 pm

            • I’ll read all that stuff tomorrow, and get back to you. I’m off to bed now – its already daylight here. Cheers everyone.

              Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 9:23 pm

              • Rest well. Pleasant dreams.

                I am also off to bed.

                Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 9:33 pm

              • Jeff – unfortunately the pdf files for the first two websites didn’t page up, so I’m restricted to offering my thoughts on the third one – which is the jewishgen.org site.

                From what I can gather, the author is quoting a Soviet census which was carried out in January 1939, ie;- just before the carve-up of Poland later the same year. This census recorded a total Jewish population of 375,000 residing in Belorussia. Then, after the annexation of Eastern Poland, some 350 to 450 thousand Polish Jews were added to the total. Over the next 18 months it is estimated that between 65 and 100 thousand Jewish refugees started arriving in Belorussia from German-occupied Poland. Mass deportations of Jews and non-Jews were carried out by the Soviets in 1940 and 1941 to other regions of the Soviet Union

                But then the author goes on to say;- ” The total number of Holocaust victims in Belorussia is still unclear and debates on the issue are still going on. M. Gilbert is of the opinion that 245,000 Jews perished in the genocide, while R. Chernoglazova puts the number at 376,851. Other estimates are: V. Adamushko, 455,100, A. Bagrovich, 500,000, D. Meltser and V. Levin, 700,390, E. Ioffe, 811,000, A.Leizerov, 800,000 and R. Hillberg, 1,000,000 ” ( good old “Hapless Hilberg” – trust him to come out on top! I expect he thought to himself that a cool million is a nice round number so I’ll write that down in my book. )

                The author goes on;- ” To the loss of the Jewish civil population one should add the losses among the Jewish soldiers. One hundred ten thousand Belorussian Jews were drafted or volunteered into the Red Army. Of the total half-million of the Jewish soldiers in the Red Army who fought against the Nazis, 216,000 fell in action.”

                Well – I personally don’t include Soviet Jewish military deaths as holocaust victims. They are simply war fatalities.

                Continuing;- ” By the beginning of hostilities in June 1941, of the five million Jews in the USSR, four remained in the occupied territories. During the war years, 2,711,000 Jews perished; of them, about a million lived within the 1939 Soviet borders, and 1,651,000 in the territories incorporated in 1939-1940. In 1946, the number of Jews in the USSR was 2,310,000, including 2,045,000 old Soviet citizens, and 265,000 Jews from the incorporated regions. In 1945-1947, thousands of Jews left Belorussia, posing as Polish citizens. By 1947, 85,000 Jews, 120,000 Poles and 469,000 Belorussians had reached the West. A considerable part of Jews soon left for Palestine.”

                So, to sum up all this – the numbers of Jews who were living in Belorussia has not been determined with any kind of accuracy. Numbers are banded-about like confetti thrown at a wedding, and thus there is no reliable statistic of how many Jews actually perished there. What is clear though, is that there were vast movements of individuals and a great dispersal of population.

                I’m not denying, Jeff, that large numbers of civilians perished in Belorussia during WW2. This region suffered terribly, and it was not helped by a very vicious partisan war being fought between the Germans and the Soviet-sponsored insurgent groups. The Einsatzgruppen squads were also active here – certainly in 1941 and 1942, and there is no doubt that large numbers of Jews were executed as communists, suspect enemy agents, or in reprisals. But all this does not add up to a “holocaust”. I suspect that that many of the Jewish inhabitants were transported to labour camps further east – and this is what the Soviet prosecutor at the Nuremburg Tribunals was referring to when he announced that large number of Soviet citizens were found inside many camps as the Red Army liberated them during 1943 and 1944.

                Comment by Talbot — June 17, 2016 @ 6:19 am

                • “Jeff – unfortunately the pdf files for the first two websites didn’t page up, so I’m restricted to offering my thoughts on the third one – which is the jewishgen.org site.”

                  Sorry. I don’t know why that happens.

                  “From what I can gather, the author is quoting a Soviet census which was carried out in January 1939, ie;- just before the carve-up of Poland later the same year. This census recorded a total Jewish population of 375,000 residing in Belorussia. Then, after the annexation of Eastern Poland, some 350 to 450 thousand Polish Jews were added to the total. Over the next 18 months it is estimated that between 65 and 100 thousand Jewish refugees started arriving in Belorussia from German-occupied Poland. Mass deportations of Jews and non-Jews were carried out by the Soviets in 1940 and 1941 to other regions of the Soviet Union”

                  Ok. That’s solid.

                  “But then the author goes on to say;- ” The total number of Holocaust victims in Belorussia is still unclear and debates on the issue are still going on. M. Gilbert is of the opinion that 245,000 Jews perished in the genocide, while R. Chernoglazova puts the number at 376,851. Other estimates are: V. Adamushko, 455,100, A. Bagrovich, 500,000, D. Meltser and V. Levin, 700,390, E. Ioffe, 811,000, A.Leizerov, 800,000 and R. Hillberg, 1,000,000 ” ( good old “Hapless Hilberg” – trust him to come out on top! I expect he thought to himself that a cool million is a nice round number so I’ll write that down in my book. )”

                  Actually, Hilberg was generally CONSERVATIVE in his estimates. His total of Jewish dead is 5.1 million. Only Reitlinger (4.8 million) is lower.
                  I don’t pretend to know every estimate ever but Reitlinger is the lowest I’ve seen.

                  “The author goes on;- ” To the loss of the Jewish civil population one should add the losses among the Jewish soldiers. One hundred ten thousand Belorussian Jews were drafted or volunteered into the Red Army. Of the total half-million of the Jewish soldiers in the Red Army who fought against the Nazis, 216,000 fell in action.”

                  Well – I personally don’t include Soviet Jewish military deaths as holocaust victims. They are simply war fatalities.”

                  You and I are in agreement on this.
                  What we don’t know so far is how many Belorussian Jews died in this fashion, 216,000 is the total for the war.

                  “Continuing;- ” By the beginning of hostilities in June 1941, of the five million Jews in the USSR, four remained in the occupied territories. During the war years, 2,711,000 Jews perished; of them, about a million lived within the 1939 Soviet borders, and 1,651,000 in the territories incorporated in 1939-1940. In 1946, the number of Jews in the USSR was 2,310,000, including 2,045,000 old Soviet citizens, and 265,000 Jews from the incorporated regions. In 1945-1947, thousands of Jews left Belorussia, posing as Polish citizens. By 1947, 85,000 Jews, 120,000 Poles and 469,000 Belorussians had reached the West. A considerable part of Jews soon left for Palestine.”

                  “So, to sum up all this – the numbers of Jews who were living in Belorussia has not been determined with any kind of accuracy. Numbers are banded-about like confetti thrown at a wedding, and thus there is no reliable statistic of how many Jews actually perished there. What is clear though, is that there were vast movements of individuals and a great dispersal of population.”

                  I’d say based upon a glance at the numbers around 800,000-900,000 lived in Belorussia, which of course means Hilberg’s number is too high.

                  “I’m not denying, Jeff, that large numbers of civilians perished in Belorussia during WW2.”

                  Nice to see you bend on principle.

                  “This region suffered terribly, and it was not helped by a very vicious partisan war being fought between the Germans and the Soviet-sponsored insurgent groups. The Einsatzgruppen squads were also active here – certainly in 1941 and 1942, and there is no doubt that large numbers of Jews were executed as communists, suspect enemy agents, or in reprisals. But all this does not add up to a “holocaust”.”

                  If you overkill as reprisals, or you murder large numbers of noncombatants that are specific to an ethnic group that is genocide. The Germans targeted Jews (though they did kill many other non-Jews) making this genocide.

                  “I suspect that that many of the Jewish inhabitants were transported to labour camps further east”

                  Proof of this, please.

                  ” – and this is what the Soviet prosecutor at the Nuremburg Tribunals was referring to when he announced that large number of Soviet citizens were found inside many camps as the Red Army liberated them during 1943 and 1944.”

                  Actually no, the Soviet prosecutor specifically labeled these people as Soviet citizens, not foreigners.

                  However, you can always prove this wrong by providing proof that these camps were filled with foreign Jews.

                  I look forward to your evidence in this matter.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 8:05 am

            • One thing here,that don’t make good sense. If you’re not a Jew,you’re not to be afforded your day in court for murdering Jews . I’ve yet to hear anything about these SS guards or prison RTOs,put in trial for the murder or accomplice to the killing of gays,gypsies and enemies of the state to name a few. Their deaths seem to be a footnote in all this mess. They’re human beings. The Jews ain’t no better. I can only deduce this,because I’ve yet to hear a Jew say,”put a case on this guard. He dealt with gays and gypsies being murdered. I don’t see where they want to help our there. When is the gypsy community going to start getting money for their survivors or murdered realatives. How come we don’t see Germany forced to make donations to GLAD ( it’s a gay lesbian advocacy organization )? There’s to much “me,me,me BS going on here. If everything did happen the way history says it did,then the Jews need to sit down and shut up. There’s other groups there that deserve their day in court.

              Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 12:15 pm

      • How many ghettos were there like Warsaw ? Was that like a facility like a cargo facility? I’m not implying the folks of the ghetto were cargo. It’s kinda like UPS. When I order something from the Eastern Seaboard,it lands in Dallas first. After that it goes to Austin. From there it gets sorted and put on different trucks for different delivery areas. Did they do anything like that with the Jews . Sort them out at Warsaw . Thats why I ask if there’s any other places like Warsaw so they could sort them out for delivery to their final destinations

        Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 5:10 pm

        • You wrote: “Thats why I ask if there’s any other places like Warsaw so they could sort them out for delivery to their final destinations”

          The city of Lublin [pronounced Loo-BLEEN] was another place where Jews were sent and transferred to other places.

          Comment by furtherglory — June 17, 2016 @ 5:22 pm

    • Wouldn’t it be safe to say,docs can be forged on either side? I’m just trying to cover all the possibilities here. Don’t matter who they are,humans just don’t like being proved wrong. They’ll go to great lengths to avoid it.

      Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 12:01 pm

      • What angers me, Tim, is that FG and Jim scream about Holocaust “liars” and yet don’t say a peep about a “revisionist” scholar doctoring a document to prove a point.
        I’m looking to see what else I can find.
        I’ve also noticed that Jim has not replied to this.

        Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 12:26 pm

        • Well I’ll probably piss off a lot of people by saying this. It’s a quote from Socrates. It’s helped me, put myself in place when I get out of line( hey. It’s better than throwing myself a beatin). I think it applies to us all. Speaks mountains to the human condition itself. ” true wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand ourselves,life and the world around us”. They may not be verbatim,but it’s close enough. People just gotta figure how it applies to them. I learned long ago,if people don’t give me my answers ( on anything) I move on. I’m not gonna get stuck
          In a rut. I always had people tell me I had no business in the Ag industry. Well I’ve been ranching since the late 90’s. I make a damn good living. I welcome everyone’s point of view. Then I bust my ass to prove I was right because I know myself. That’s why I can’t take a side here. I’ve been studying on this for about 2 years. That’s when I found this site. I honestly think I could spend a lifetime studying this topic and still not be sure. This ain’t as simple as the causes of the civil war or what bought about the women’s rights movement . When it comes to this topic,it’s as old as man himself. For the sake of argument ,I’ll say all of this happened,so I can make a point. If hitler and the nazis were the demons they’ve been made out to be,then they would amount to little more than the proverbial “piece of the puzzle”. Like I said,the issue with the Jews is old as time itself. If everything history say the nazis did,actually happened,then I think the only thing they’re guilty of,is being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Nobody ever brings up the Jews and the murdering they’ve done. How come the Jews dont go after Rome for the slaughter they pulled on the Jews back in the day. To be honest,I think a lot of this centers on Jews being,”the chosen ones ” . Just how big would a persons head swell being part of that group. That’s reason enough for me to think they think their shit don’t stink. They forget when christ came along,they weren’t the hot commodity anymore. People may not want to dig that deep,but if I’m to understand if the holo happened or didn’t happen. The reasons why it did or didn’t happen,I want to go back to the beginning . Somewhere along the line,someone hit a pothole and everybody got pissed off. You know that I’ve seen how bad it gets when one group of people’s hates the other just because they don’t agree. I’ve still yet to figure that one out. I figure if I can nail down,where everything started with the Jews,I can figure out just what exactly happened back in those days. I could probably say without having to argue that this did or didn’t happen. I got to thinking the other night . This universe is just too big for us to be the only people. I’m going somewhere. I keep an open mind. As humans,were to arrogant to admit,there’s probably life out there. No I’m not one of those people that think a flying saucer crashed in Roswell and it’s a conspiracy with our government ( our elected officials are too damn stupid to carry out a conspiracy like that). Let’s “Uncle Martin” from the show “My Favorire Martian” landed on this planet . He got a person that was for the holo and one who is against the holo( you’re not against the holo so if FG,Jimbo.herm or anyone else against the holo is reading this ,feel free to chime in here). He asked the person who is for the holo to give him one good piece of evidence to prove it happened ( yes I know. There’s a lot that makes up the entire picture. I’m referring to one piece so obvious,Stevie Womder could see it) what would you present. The same question to the person who says this didn’t happen. What would be the one piece of evidence you’d present. I’m not saying what you present your evidence it’s gonna make uncle Martin a believer or not. He’s never heard of this part of our history before. He’s not part of the human race,so he can’t comprehend the passion that some people have for it. Hell another race of beings may not even comprehend murder or hate. Yeah hypothetical scenario here, but I have to use it because this would be someone that could look at this from an objective view. I think it’s impossible to find someone on this earth that’s never heard of the holo. Each side gives their one piece of what they think is their “best evidence”. It would be something that would put the person on the path,to coming up with their own conclusion

          Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 1:40 pm

        • The reason I haven’t replied to it is because I find that you will take a small point and make a big deal out of it when there are many other issues that you avoid completely that pale in comparison. I’m talking hundreds. I don’t have an answer for what’s going on with Mottogno now but I do know that whatever he did is nothing in comparison to what you HoloHoaxes to have been doing the last 75 years.
          So maybe you can tell me if you think you’re right how have people been harmed by what Mottogno did then we can make a comparison for all the Holohucksters you seem to support and see how people have been harmed by what they said. You think they’d be a comparison made here.
          Omitting some information is nothing in comparison to falsifying and outright lying about information because I don’t know why he did what he did if he did what you claim….. you might want to ask him.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — June 17, 2016 @ 1:48 pm

          • Harmed?
            Jim, they deliberately changed a document to prove some type of resettlement THAT NEVER OCCURRED.
            Someone who wouldn’t know enough to question this might be persuaded to their false point of view.

            Don’t worry, Jim. I’m looking for more.

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 1:59 pm

            • You still haven’t come close to what your fellow HoloHuxsters have done.
              Again what is the harm he has done, oh, I see…. hurt feelings.
              Holohuxsters by their lies have encouraged the killing of many not to mention the fines and imprisonment of dozens. You pick at the littlest things to cover up the BIG LIES.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — June 17, 2016 @ 2:50 pm

              • No, Jim.
                It’s academic fraud.

                The rest is your usual rhetoric.

                Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 2:55 pm

                • So Jeff what would you call all the lies and misinformation that your Holhoaxer buddies are saying…..slip of the tongue.
                  Jeff you have nothing more to say so you have to pick on the stupidest thing to make an issue about.
                  You have miserably failed to prove your Holo hoax so now you go after the personalities of people picking them apart for little mistakes that you claim that they made, while the biggest lies just don’t phase you at all.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 17, 2016 @ 3:01 pm

                • Real historians don’t leave out things that are inconvenient, Jim. Real historians don’t deceive their readers.
                  But, Mattogono and Graf aren’t interested in the truth. They are only interested in deceiving their readers.
                  They took you in, Jim.
                  How sad.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 3:38 pm

    • Jeff, you’re an idiot; these are two completely different documents, albeit both of the same date and written by Kube for Lohse.

      https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=78671#p78671

      Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — June 30, 2016 @ 5:05 pm

      • “Jeff, you’re an idiot; these are two completely different documents, albeit both of the same date and written by Kube for Lohse.

        https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=78671#p7867

        Spare me, wabbit. As if I’d trust anything produced in that craphole. Anything covered in Hannover slime I distrust immediately.

        Even if this is the case, why didn’t Graf/Mattogono produce the first Kube document? The one dealing with the massacres of the Jews? Seems to me if you produce one you produce the other, correct?

        What’s the matter, did they worry about how this would play with their readers? Didn’t they want them to know?

        That’s all, folks.

        Comment by Jeff K. — June 30, 2016 @ 6:24 pm

  3. 8000 survived Auschwitz…..I wasn’t there so take it for what its worth to you…..which won’t be much I’m sure.
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    Thats all I know plenty of people survived the HoloHoax to collect their reparation money…around 4 million.
    Of course a survivor could be anyone that knew how to lie…some several times over to collect even more cash.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 3:41 pm

  4. I wouldn’t trust anything outta Genes mouth. Look at all the lies he told Shannon. Telling lies about his family would be nothing. I don’t think Kiss,is the greatest band of all time,like they say. They had a damn good gimmick. I watched Genes show when it was on tv . I heard him say a lot of times his mother and the prisons. I heard him talk about how his father was out banging other women while he was with his mother. He visited his step brothers and sisters in Israel . He even went to see Anne Franks house. Now seeing how all this relates to either Jews or the holo,how come he never bought his mee maw up? He always talked about how his mother escaped the holo,but he never mentioned his meemaw gettin gassed. That would make for one helluva sympathy card to play there. A few years back he called Ace Frehly a “racists drug addict”. He said one time they were on tour. After the show gene has some gal in his bed. Ace and Peter Criss bust into his room to mess with him. He said they both had on SS hats and nazi arm bands. This happened in the late 70’s. He made this shit public a few years back. How many years in between was that? Couldn’t have bothered him too much. All these years he sat on that. He didn’t say shit. The ironic thing here is this. Ace Frehly is engaged (they can be married by now) to a Jewish gal. Yeah. Really sounds like Ace is racist. Oh yeah one other thing about the Anne Frank house. On one of those Gene Simmons shows,he got a letter from this school kid. This kids family lived in the town Anne Frank house is in. I don’t remember all the details . This had something to do with a school project,the kid was working on. Well Gene and Shannon end up going to meet the kid. First thing outta Genes mouth is,what do you want to. When kiss toured our records,what? This kid gave gene a “what the hell are you talking about look”. He told Gene he wanted to show him Anne Franks house,the he took Gene to meet his family. Couple of the kids realatives were survivors of the prison. The look Gene had on his face was a true Kodak Moment. The wanted to talk to Gene about him being the child of a survivor. Gene looked like his whole world just came crashing down. I figured,typical Jew . He’s “not” the center of attention. The world has come to an end. Even better though,nobody in this kids family had the first clue who kiss or Gene Simmons were

    Comment by Tim — June 14, 2016 @ 12:44 pm

    • You used the term “mee maw”. Is this a Jewish term? On The Big Bang TV show, Sheldon (who is not Jewish) calls his grandmother “mee maw”. The Sheldon character was not Jewish on the show.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 14, 2016 @ 1:01 pm

      • Mee maw is old school south. Same for pa pa. That’s how I always referred to my grandmother and grandfather on both sides. Kinda like I’ve heard the Yankees up north use nanah ( I don’t know if that’s how it’s spelled) for grandmother. You should’ve been around Aunt Virginia. She came screaming in the house one day. ” There’s a snick in the yard”. I told her the yard was full of sticks. She said ,”no a snick”. I went out and looked. I told her,oh you mean snake. She said,that’s what I’ve been saying,a snick. Remember. These are “heart of Dixie “,southern Alabama people. Hollywood picks up shit and uses it for their own purpose. I can guarantee you,I was saying meemaw and papa,long before any of the actors on the bang bang theory show were probably even born

        Comment by Tim — June 14, 2016 @ 1:35 pm

    • You wrote: “Oh yeah one other thing about the Anne Frank house. On one of those Gene Simmons shows,he got a letter from this school kid. This kids family lived in the town Anne Frank house is in. I don’t remember all the details .”

      The Anne Frank house is in Amsterdam. I have a whole section about the house on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AnneFrank/AnneFrank01.html

      Comment by furtherglory — June 14, 2016 @ 1:16 pm

      • Isn’t Amsterdam the country you can go to and legally buy and smoke weed? I also heard they have a lot of whorehouses in plain view. Not that I want to go there. I got everything thing I need right here in America . I take that back. Id like to go to Germany . I’d like to see the Brandenburg Gate,before the Jews decide to tear it down. I’d like to see some of the older buildings ( like from the 1800’s),that didn’t get the shit bombed outta them. That’s architecture that in my opinion that was done by an architect that was half sculptor. Building today are all cookie cutter buildings. They have no character

        Comment by Tim — June 14, 2016 @ 1:47 pm

        • Tim wrote: “Isn’t Amsterdam the country you can go to and legally buy and smoke weed? I also heard they have a lot of whorehouses in plain view.”

          That’s true.

          (The country’s name is the Netherlands and Amsterdam is a city in the Netherlands. Prostitution and weed are legal in all Dutch cities.)

          Comment by hermie — June 15, 2016 @ 7:59 am

          • Well, I don’t know about anyone else but I know where I’m going on vacation.

            😂😂😂😂😂😂

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 8:02 am

            • Jeff wrote: “Well, I don’t know about anyone else but I know where I’m going on vacation.”

              If you actually go there, keep in mind that you’re not allowed to take weed with you out the places where you’re free to buy and smoke some weed. Such places are called coffee shops in the Netherlands. But don’t worry: I’ve never seen anybody drink coffee in there.😉

              Comment by hermie — June 16, 2016 @ 9:04 pm

              • Here in the US some of the states legalized the purchase and use of pot, the closest state to me where it is legal is Colorado.
                They don’t bother with the whole “coffee shop” deal, they are just known as “head shops.”
                They are actual franchises, some soccer mom started one up when Colorado legalized it.

                They are cash only businesses, technically it violates the federal laws on the distribution and sale of marijuana. Nobody makes a big deal about it but you can’t use checks, credit or debit cards to purchase, such transactions cross state lines.

                Myself, I think the whole thing is goofy and it needs to be legalized everywhere.

                Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 9:46 pm

                • My sister lives in Colorado Springs. She called me the day they passed the law. I didn’t really care,cause I quit long time ago. If you go there,remember they pretty much hate us Texans . We own a helluva lot of that state ,starting with the media. When our convicts broke out of Huntsville some years back,they fled to Colorado . That didn’t help us none. My sister fell in love with the state when pop was stationed at Pete Field ( Petersen AFB) back in the early 60’s. I liked it well enough. I moved back there for awhile in the early 80’s. Just remember,you can only buy a nickle bag if you don’t live there. Residents can buy an OZ. You can’t pay with a card,because federal banking laws prohibit it. Now here’s one that contradicts. I used to buy my bongs and whatnot from a mail order company in Boulder. Krupps. They also had a store there. College kids spent a lot of scratch there . They had to close up in the early 80’s. Colorado outlawed the selling of those items. No. You couldn’t buy a “hooka”(spellcheck there) and say you smoked tobacco out of it. That shit don’t fly. Rolling papers okay. They still need those for the rip they sell. You know bugler tobacco . I smoked my share of rip when I was locked down. I’ll never smoke that shit again. If you go there,hit Garden of the Gods first. You said you got a kid? Show him the “balancing rock” in the park there. Trust me. You’ll know it when you see it. Get off I25 at the garden of the gods exit. You’ll know you’re at the entrance to the park when the only other direction you can go is left on 30th street. Rolm computer corporation building will be on the right side. After that take 30 th street to Colorado avenue. 30th dead ends into it. Head north on it to Manittou Springs. You’re on the west side now . That’s what we called old Colorado . If you feel the need for modern looks,go to the east side. You leave outta Manitou,keep going north. You’ll hit Woodland Park. Rich people are up there. Right in that same area is,”Bust” ( you remember seeing signs “pikes peak or bust? That’s the bust the sign referred to. If you like hunting take independence pass ( it might also be Centenial or Monarh pass. It was over 20 years ago I was there). Go to Meeker. It’s part of the Western Slope. Around Grand Junction. If you hunt,best elk hunting in the world around Meeker. I’ve seen plates from California ,New Jersey,Texas and Wisconsin to name a few when I was going there. Gotta make sure you got your motel booked. It’s all pretty much mom and pop motels there. Not too many of the corporate hotels are gonna build there when they depend a lot on hunting season for occupancy. Kinda like South Padre. College kids drop a ton of scratch there during spring break,but they’re not totally dependent on it. Just make sure you dont try to drive the pass if it’s iced over. We were leaving there one time. They were pulling a truck up that went off the side of the pass. It was about a 400 to 500 foot drop to the bottom. If you don’t have much time on iced roads,stay off of them. It’s funny,cause the folks in Cos Spgs, don’t know what “nightmare traffic” is. Last time I visited my sister up there,I saw a lot of cars with,”pray for me,I drive Academy Blvd.” bumper stickers. I told my sister ,you’ve lived in Houston . You know what traffic is. She had to remind me a lot of the people there,know nothing of traffic like that. Even the people in Denver think I25 and I70 is a nightmare. Truth be known,you can take a nap while you drive through either city . Hit seven falls outside Cos Spgs. It just more of the mountains. It’s pretty much what it says it is.

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 11:43 am

                • When I was a kid there was a head shop in Tulsa. You could only enter it after you turned 18 because they sold “tobacco products.”
                  So, after I turned 18 I went for a visit. They got around the whole bong thing by calling them “water pipes.” They sold rolling papers along with other paraphernalia. The store had cool stuff besides that, concert T-shirts, interesting stuff from rock bands, that sort of thing. They got away with it because they didn’t specifically advertise what their stuff was for.
                  Now, it’s been a good 17 years since I’ve done any of that sort of stuff. I don’t even drink anymore, just an occasional beer or cocktail.
                  My brother went to one of the shops in Colorado.
                  Now, he’s a real straight arrow now but he was a real wild one in his youth. He was amazed at the amazing variety plus the food items. He didn’t buy anything, he’s born again but he did go look.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 11:58 am

                • We had a couple places in Orlando when I got back from Nam. East/West Records and Tapes ( records and tapes should say how long ago that was. All though I do miss the “skipping” records would sometimes do) and Shalamar Imports. They sold everything as water pipes too. I had a bong that was 3 feet tall ( yeah. You had to have good lungs to use it ). I would’ve been hard pressed to say I used it for tobacco . Hell the company I bought it from sold their shit in High Times magazine. The company was called U S Bongs. I took up drinking when I got out of lockdown. Drinking was the easiest way to forget about all the crap I saw overseas and while I was locked down. Then I quit drinking and decided to grow some balls and face my demons. I’m not sure , but the stock in the Crown Royal distillery probably took a hit when I quit drinking.

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 12:30 pm

                • I miss record stores. I also miss video stores.

                  I was always more of a drinker than anything else. I experimented a bit when I went off to the university, nothing all that serious. I did become a serious stoner for a bit but I’ve put all that behind me.

                  I do wonder if the head shops in Colorado are partnered with Taco Bells and Dominoes Pizza.
                  That business model would clean up.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

          • I’m taking all my Bob Marley and Pink Floyd CDs with me.
            I hope they have Funyons and Dominoes Pizza in the Netherlands.

            Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 8:14 am

          • According to the Museum of Resistance in Amsterdam, the Germans started requisitioning bicycles from the Netherlands in 1943 and taking them back to Germany to help the war effort. Bad move! – you are not going win any hearts and minds by stealing a Dutchman’s bike in order to prosecute your unwinnable war.

            A bicycle is a Dutch person’s treasured possession. It is not just a means of transport – but a symbol of national and personal honour and pride.

            By the way – anyone intending to visit the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam should book tickets online in advance. Otherwise you will not get in until after 3pm, and even then you will have to wait in a line for up to two hours.

            Comment by Talbot — June 15, 2016 @ 8:52 am

            • It would be a cold day in hell for me to book tickets to go to the Anne Frank museum or any of the HoloHuxsters museums……Imagine having to pay to enter these places and then have to stand in line for hours to do it….
              Y aright……one better, how about poking my eyes out for fun….

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 10:01 am

              • Exactly why no one takes you seriously.

                Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 10:14 am

                • Like I’m worried that knucklegeads like you would take me seriously……Really now! It’s either truth or it isn’t which boat do you want to be in.
                  Like I said when the truth becomes accepted as truth print the legend….you seem to want to believe the legend….

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 10:22 am

                • @furthergloy

                  He has also posted a video from Rudolf trying to say they the gas chambers would explode… Even when it proves exactly the opposite of what he says, sorry to say but not even Burg would fall for such a move.

                  http://www.rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2538

                  Its completely his fault that he doesn’t understand chemistry.

                  Also just cause he has a successful video or two in which he interviews people between the age of 60 to 90, doesn’t mean people take HIM seriously… It just shows a viewing audience is interested in watching Weber speak on revisionism again.

                  Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 10:57 am

              • I’m hearing this from the Idiot that believes the US declared war on Germany before Hitler Declared war on the US.

                Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 10:38 am

                • You wrote “I’m hearing this from the Idiot…”

                  Your comment went into the spam box, but I pulled it out. Probably, the reason it went into the spam box is because spam comments are usually full of insults like calling someone an Idiot with a capital I.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 15, 2016 @ 10:56 am

                • I’d figure it would go into that folder,because he’s hurling insults,yet not giving an exact reason for doing so. That’s my issue.

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 11:01 am

                • Eh, I don’t post much with my account, that may be the reason… Not exactly sure.

                  Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 10:58 am

                • Tim, why exactly would someone need to give a reason to “hurl” and insult at someone just to prevent ending up in the spam box? Just think for a moment… How does this make sense?

                  Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 12:04 pm

                • Well when you fling idiot around,there’s no need for that. That’s belittling as hell. Someone makes a comment you don’t agree with,you up and call em a idiot. Forget the spam folder here. You don’t dig what someone says,speak your piece and move the f–k on down the road. Every human out there is endowed with the ability of freedom of thought ( even though the Jews try to take that right away from certain peoples in certain countries). If you don’t like what someone says,don’t try and play Billy Badass,with your war of words. Speak like a civilized individual And move on

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 6:23 pm

                • When people insult and degrade other people it just shows that they have run out of something positive to say.
                  Insulting a person’s intelligence is just another bullying tactic.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 6:29 pm

                • Pretty funny…… I guess the US didn’t realize by declaring war on Japan was tantamount to declaring war on Germany….
                  I guess they must of missed that one small point….
                  You make issues out of non issues but avoid talking about the liars and HoloHuxsters….
                  Typical Jew thing…..Don’t confuse us with the facts.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 12:11 pm

                • Or maybe you should understand that declaring war on Japan is not declaring war on Germany…. That’s what it lead to… but It doesn’t mean that The US declared war on Germany first, this is exactly why I called you an I.D.O.I.T. , alright?

                  I’m not making an issue, I’m just stating exactly what you have said. To bad its not correct. Its also not a “Typical Jew Thing”….

                  As well…. You did admit you were wrong.

                  “Don’t confuse us with the facts.”

                  You literally said what I claimed about you is true. You called it FACT… sorry to say JR but this isn’t helping your case at all… As to why you even replied… I have no idea.

                  Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 12:19 pm

                • Also Jim, what exactly was the Issue to begin with? People taking you Seriously? The point still stands exactly that a good portion of the population, once they read and or watch what you post online know you have a huge Bias when it comes to information.

                  Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 12:22 pm

                • “Pretty funny…… I guess the US didn’t realize by declaring war on Japan was tantamount to declaring war on Germany….”

                  No, it was not. The Tripartite Pact only covered defensive actions, i.e. if the US attacked one of the members. Hitler and Ribbentrop gave verbal guarrantees to the Japanese that Summer and Fall but nothing official.
                  The reality is that declaring war on the US was a bonehead move. The attack on Pearl Harbor solved the problem of the US navy in the Atlantic. The US had to withdraw its navy to meet the Japanese threat, leaving the British vulnerable.
                  I realize that Hitler believed that war with the US was inevitable. However, declaring war on the US was a world class cock-up at that point because the Germans were tied up in the USSR and the British remained defiant. In the space of around eight months Germany went from a war with a single opponent to the three most industrialized nations on earth, two of which it couldn’t invade and the most important one it couldn’t even bomb.
                  Think of it, Jim. FDR didn’t have the votes in the Senate or House of Representatives to declare war on Germany (FDR got the votes after Germany’s declaration, it was damn near unanimous). If Hitler kept his nerve at that point there would be no US troops in North Africa, Italy or Normandy. No US bombers over Germany. It is unlikely that Britain would have attempted a European invasion on its own. No pouring of supplies into the USSR, the US needed those supplies for the Pacific War.
                  It isn’t out of the realm of possibility that Germany defeats the USSR and forces Britain to the peace table. The results of that would be catastrophic. Or, the USSR defeats the Germans and Europe becomes Communist, a fate equally bad.

                  “I guess they must of missed that one small point….”

                  See above, Jim. You are wrong.

                  “You make issues out of non issues but avoid talking about the liars and HoloHuxsters….”

                  What do I care what survivors say?

                  “Typical Jew thing…..Don’t confuse us with the facts.”

                  I’m not Jewish, Jim.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

              • You wrote: “It would be a cold day in hell for me to book tickets to go to the Anne Frank museum or any of the HoloHuxsters museums”

                I visited the Anne Frank house several years ago. I was very fearful that I would not be able to climb the steep steps up to the rooms where Anne lived in hiding. I assumed that there must be some other way to get to the top, maybe an elevator. The people at the Museum told me that there was no elevator, which was a lie. I made it to the top and then took the elevator back down to the ground floor.

                Comment by furtherglory — June 15, 2016 @ 10:51 am

                • Are you sure the people you asked worked there? What if this elevator was “STAFF ONLY”

                  Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 11:00 am

                • “Staff only” would make perfect sense. F–k the visitors,right. Who gives 2 shits if some of the visitors can’t get around that good. We just want their money. Greedy ass bitches

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 11:04 am

                • The elevator at the Anne Frank house was not for “staff only.” I asked several people there if I could use the elevator, but I was told by all of them that there was no elevator in existence. When I went down on the elevator, there were several older people on the elevator, all of whom appeared to be Jewish and CAPABLE OF CLIMBING THE STAIRS.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 15, 2016 @ 11:14 am

                • It mostly was a guess. Oh well you seem to have awful times a museums… seems like you don’t have the best of luck

                  Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 11:54 am

    • Not the world’s biggest KISS fan, though “Hard Luck Woman” is a great song.
      Being a child of the 1970’s, I remember KISS lunch boxes, action figures, bed sheets, make-up kits….pretty much anything and everything.
      You have to admire their ability to make money in spite of being famous not for their music but for their make-up.
      I watched them get inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They didn’t play which I found somewhat disappointing.
      They were inducted with Hall and Oates and Cat Stevens.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 2:59 pm

      • Cat Stevens. Okay. Hall and Oates I’m not sure about. In all fairness I’ve seen Paul and Gene play with Ace and Peters replacements on TV. They were actually better than the original band. I know Gene was pissed because they wanted the original 4 at the hall of fame induction. He said the 2 replacements have been with the band for almost 20 years. They’ve helped keep kiss going. So I can understand his anger towards the board members at the hall of fame. I know I heard talk of the taking Simpson out of the NFL hall of fame,because of the murders. The way I looked at that,he’s in there for what he did on the field,not off the field

        Comment by Tim — June 14, 2016 @ 4:07 pm

        • I like both.
          Then again, my musical tastes are all over the place.

          Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 5:34 pm

  5. Another Horror Disneyland story that got passed down through the family…..
    Bottom line they are going to believe what they want to believe no matter what the facts show.
    The more evil the better.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — June 14, 2016 @ 9:52 am

    • I always check to see which of my blog posts are getting the most hits, and how readers are being directed to my blog.

      Today, I found that Reddit has been directing a lot of people to my blog: https://www.reddit.com/r/creepy/comments/4nwcqc/the_inside_of_a_gas_chamber_at_the_dachau/

      Comment by furtherglory — June 14, 2016 @ 10:13 am

      • Great to get a lot of hits, more fodder for them to put us all in jail for hate speech.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 14, 2016 @ 10:15 am

        • You wrote: “more fodder for them to put us all in jail for hate speech.”

          I am not worried; I am 83 years old and I would not be put in jail. I would be put into a nursing home in Germany. I would be able to talk to the old men in Germany, who have been convicted and sent to a nursing home because they are too old for prison.

          Comment by furtherglory — June 14, 2016 @ 10:26 am

          • Germany is certainly a nice country for old “haters” and “deniers” to spend their retirement. But you might find that you are being cared for by immigrants from North Africa, the Middle East and Afghanistan; because In Europe today everything is being out-sourced to contractors who pay minimal wages to their employees, and thus tend not to recruit local staff who demand higher wages.

            Watch out, therefore, that ISIS doesn’t put a bomb under your bed !

            Comment by Talbot — June 14, 2016 @ 10:45 am

    • You do realize that scholars don’t take all witnesses seriously? In fact they commonly pick out the liers…. Irene Zisblatt was exposed a long time ago by a person who worked with the USHMM.

      http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/01/irene-zisblatt-diamond-girl-fact-or.html

      Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 10:17 am

  6. In the original article, Gene Simmons does not actually say it was Auschwitz that his mother was held as an inmate – but just a “concentration camp”. It could be, that she and her mother were sent to one of the many labour camps, where they were separated during the selection process. Her mother was fit and well enough to join a labour battalion that was needed for work in a factory of one of the many sub-camps, while the daughter was considered too young at age fourteen to join the main labour force, and consequently remained in the main camp just carrying out light chores.

    FG quotes the following paragraph which comes from the news article;-

    ” Even though his mother didn’t want to discuss what she’d been through, Simmons pushed forward by investigating what it was like. “I did my own research and found out just how terrible it was,” he said. “I’ve tried to talk about it but she just won’t do it. She saw her mother walk into the gas chambers. Her whole family was destroyed. My mother was the only one left alive. And she was 14. I’ve been to the Holocaust museum in Israel. The Nazis kept detailed records of every name and I saw my mother’s name at 14, listed as one of the passengers on the train.”

    OK – Simmons had to do his own research because his mother wouldn’t discuss it with him. ( Possibly, because there wasn’t much of a story to tell anyway – but more pointedly, it didn’t tie in too well with the official holocaust b.s. that was being broadcast to the world ).

    Simmons undoubtedly read books and researched websites which promote the standard holocaust narrative, and so he’s merely repeating what he has read from other people’s accounts – and not from his own mother’s mouth or pen. This is confirmed when he says that “she saw her mother walk into the gas chambers ( ie;- plural ). He goes on to say that ” her whole family was destroyed. My mother was the only one left alive “. Well that may, or may not be true, because we’ve only got his words for such a bold, devastating statement. And to be perfectly honest, he doesn’t really know this himself, because he is relying purely on hearsay evidence and supposition.

    Gene Simmons then claims that he has visited the holocaust museum in Israel and seen his mother’s name recorded in the ledgers. He says that ” the Nazis kept detailed records of every name “. Well, if that be the case, then Yad Vashem should have no difficulty in providing the world with the complete list of names of all the alleged 6 million victims, plus the destinations where each and ever one of them were sent. In addition, descendants of the victims – like Gene Simmons – should be able to verify the names of all their family members who they claim were “destroyed”.

    Comment by Talbot — June 14, 2016 @ 9:42 am

    • In the newspaper article, it says “My mother was 14 when she was in the concentration camp in Nazi Germany,” he said.

      This indicates that she was in a camp in the country of Germany. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that Auschwitz was in Germany at the time of the Holocaust. If any camp could be called “the camp” it would be Auschwitz.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 14, 2016 @ 9:57 am

      • Auschwitz is in Poland….

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — June 14, 2016 @ 10:13 am

        • You wrote: “Auschwitz is in Poland..”

          You are correct that Auschwitz is NOW in Poland.

          The Auschwitz main camp had been built originally for migratory farm laborers on their way to seasonal work on large German estates. This farm labor exchange was built in a district of the town of Auschwitz, called Zazole, in 1916.

          Auschwitz was then in Galicia, a province in the Austro-Hungarian sector of the former country of Poland, which had been divided between the Russians, Austrians and Prussians (Germans) in 1795.

          At the time that the concentration camp was opened in Auschwitz, this area had been incorporated into the Greater German Reich; it was not part of German-occupied Poland.

          Comment by furtherglory — June 14, 2016 @ 10:49 am

          • Scrap…. I love reading your posts and all.. but don’t link them as evidence.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 5:07 pm

        • Auschwitz was in the Greater German Reich during the war Jim…. Look at a map for once. Its In modern day poland….

          Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 12:08 pm

      • Yes, you are quite right. According to the USHMM and other websites, Auschwitz was annexed by Germany in 1939, just after the invasion of Poland.

        Comment by Talbot — June 14, 2016 @ 10:20 am

        • This doesn’t seem accurate, Auschwitz was built by the Germans… I also think you mean Oswiecim was annexed by the Germans….

          Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 12:12 pm

          • Fair comment. It is sometimes difficult to get the place names, and national boundaries of Eastern Europe correct, because so many changes have taken place since the end of WW1.

            Comment by Talbot — June 15, 2016 @ 12:28 pm

            • I would hardly say world war 1 was behind it…. Its mostly the revolutions and the wars which followed after it in 1919 that I would link as the cause.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 12:35 pm

    • “t could be,”

      Key word:
      COULD

      “that she and her mother were sent to one of the many labour camps, where they were separated during the selection process.”

      Isn’t that a little cruel, Talbot?
      Separating a mother and child?
      That doesn’t seem very chivalrous to me.
      Also, this was a permanent separation. That seems really cruel. Apparently she never saw her mother again.

      “Her mother was fit and well enough to join a labour battalion that was needed for work in a factory of one of the many sub-camps, while the daughter was considered too young at age fourteen to join the main labour force, and consequently remained in the main camp just carrying out light chores.”

      So, what kind of chores are we talking about, Talbot?

      I do enjoy your flights of fancy.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 2:07 pm

      • Indeed Jeff – it does sound cruel that a mother and daughter should be separated in this way. But my contention is, that it was intended to be temporary until the war was over and families could be reunited again.

        We often forget that the most terrible war in modern history was underway at the time – and many families in different countries were often split up and never saw their loved ones ever again. War is hell – and where have we heard that before !

        In Britain, for example, families were split asunder by the aerial bombings in 1940 and 1941, and then again in 1944 by the V1 and V2 rocket bombs . Parents could lose their children to an air raid in an instant, or children their parents. Fathers, brothers and uncles went off to war and many never came back. Children were often evacuated to the countryside, where some of them were, quite frankly, abused, or were required to carry out heavy manual agricultural work. When they returned to their homes later they were deeply traumatised and estranged from their parents. Many children were evacuated across the Atlantic to Canada to escape the bombings; a fraction of whom died in U-Boat attacks, while the remainder were allocated to Canadian families who brought them up themselves, and consequently they never saw their real parents again.

        So the separations and the heartbreak was not just limited to those folk who were unfortunate enough to be incarcerated in German concentration and labour camps – but affected countless others as well.

        You mention the kind of chores that youngsters in their early teens might be expected to perform in the camps. Well, I would suggest helping out in the kitchens, ie;- peeling potatoes, preparing vegetables etc. or cleaning the barracks, latrines and collecting the blankets for washing, fumigating and hanging them out to dry. Some of them might even have acted as teachers and carers for the younger children while their mothers and fathers were working in other camps.

        Now, all this seems quite logical to me – it is not a flight of fancy, Jeff, as you might care to assert. May I suggest that you have bought yourself so completely into the holocaust myth, that you are unable to see that what really happened in these camps was far less horrific than what we have been told, and in fact the conditions were much more mundane and dull, as befitting wartime labour camps.

        Comment by Talbot — June 14, 2016 @ 2:58 pm

    • Knock yourself out, Talbot.

      http://yvng.yadvashem.org/

      That is the Yad Vashem database. They’ve collected 4.5 million names.

      Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 2:13 pm

      • Yes, I had heard that Yad Vashem had managed to produced 4.5 million names, but I was also told that they were finding it very difficult to find the remaining 1.5 million.

        But even the 4.5 million names in themselves don’t prove conclusively that an extermination took place. All it means, is that these people cannot be accounted for. For instance, are Jewish individuals and families who emigrated from Europe to Palestine, Australia, South Africa, Turkey, Argentina, Shanghai, etc, before the war broke out included in this total. And are those countless numbers of Jews who escaped into the Soviet Union before, during, and after WW2 also part of this total. Then we have to consider the enormous numbers of displaced people – including many Jews – who were wandering around Europe and living in refugee camps from 1945 to 1948. It is quite conceivable that while their names were lost to the authorities at the time – they themselves were very much alive!

        Comment by Talbot — June 14, 2016 @ 3:22 pm

        • It also doesn’t show the repeats or even the other spellings for the same person.
          Lots to fudge the real count to make it look better than it was.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — June 14, 2016 @ 3:25 pm

          • Jim look up Vincent Hadleŭski

            Comment by Denying History — June 15, 2016 @ 12:14 pm

            • Not much about him that intrests me…..

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 1:11 pm

              • Not exactly trying to get your interest, but he is an example of people being killed at Maly Trostenets.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 1:16 pm

                • Nothing unusual about him…..he died lots of people died so what?
                  His death was worth more than someones elses??
                  Edmucate me….

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 1:23 pm

                • Its a name of one of the dead, sure a ton of people died, but its not generally something we can do to name a victim of Maly Trostenets. Martin Gilbert has a great book with gives mention of an action in the camp on August 4, 1942.

                  “On August 4 (1942) a train with a thousand Jews left Theresienstadt. Six days later it reached Maly Trostenets, where it stopped in open country. Forty ‘experts’ had already been taken off the train at Minsk. The remaining 960 deportees were ordered out of the train and into vans for the next stage of their journey, and driven off towards the forest. The vans were gas vans; once they reached the forest the doors were unlocked and the bodies of the deportees were thrown into open graves.”

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 1:34 pm

                • Gas vans are a lie!
                  http://codoh.com/library/document/1206/

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 1:59 pm

                • Interesting fact about gas vans, Jim.
                  The Nazis originally used gas vans to murder the disabled. Sondercommando Lange (also the first commandment of the Chelmno Extermination Camp) utilized gas vans in Poland after the German invasion/occupation.
                  Hitler’s Euthanasia Action covered not only the disabled in Germany but occupied Poland as well.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 2:13 pm

                • You wrote: “The Nazis originally used gas vans to murder the disabled.”

                  Where did you get the information that the disabled were murdered in gas vans? The disabled were killed in gas CHAMBERS at Hartheim castle.

                  I wrote about the gas chamber at Hartheim castle at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/gaschamber01a.html

                  I wrote about gas vans on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/gas-vans/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 15, 2016 @ 2:23 pm

                • In a report prepared in October 1945, Dr. Zdzisław Jaroszewski, who worked at the facility, described how the 1,100 hospital patients, including 78 children, were killed six years earlier in November 1939. According to this report, Hauptsturmführer Sachs [Sacks?], a former police official in Gda ń sk, commanded the SS detachment that carried out the evacuation of the patients. Two canvass covered trucks and a detachment of SS men arrived, occupied the hospital, and subsequently began loading patients, hands tied behind their backs, into the trucks. The SS men accompanying the trucks wore pistols and shovels on their belts. As the days passed, hospital staff and patients became increasingly suspicious and anxious when different locations were given each time they asked the destination of the transports. No news reached them from the evacuated patients and traces of blood were seen on the uniforms of the SS men following their return to the hospital. Eventually, patients would beg for mercy when forced into the trucks. Finally, they were given an injection of 2 cubic centimeters of somnifen to calm nerves an hour before being evacuated. Nevertheless, one patient called out from a truck: Jeszcze Polska nie zgin ę ła [Poland has not yet perished], a line from the Polish national anthem. One of the SS men, angered by this, yelled back at her: Warte mal, du verfluchtes Ast, du kriegst
                  Cont…..

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 2:44 pm

                • Don’t misunderstand me here. I’m not trying to insult these people that were killed,but a lot of them didn’t have both oars in the water,correct. I’m asking cause I’ve seen where people in this mental condition,are usually quite cooperative. I didn’t say all of them. Yes,some were probably prone to violent fits. The ones that weren’t just went along with what they were told to do. So I’m trying to figure why they had to tie their hands. Tell all of them to get on the trucks. Were going on a picnic. I’m also trying to figure out why they would think something hinkey is going on. I mean most of them probably couldn’t comprehend what a conspiracy is. They were so concerned about what was going on,but they never raised an eyebrow when they got hit up with drugs. I’m just asking. If I missed something,let me know

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 4:18 pm

                • The idea is to keep them calm but be prepared if anyone of them acted out.
                  I don’t know why their hands were tied, Tim. It was probably just a precaution.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 4:20 pm

                • The reason I asked was because some years back I went to the Denver Western National Livestock Show. At the last minute they had a dam that was going on the auction block. Since this was last minute,the hotels in the Denver area were full. I ended up at a mom and pop hotel halfway between Denver and Ft. Collins. The next morning I got up and there were a bunch of young adults cleaning windows. Some had trash detail. Some were cleaning around the pool area . It turned out all these young adults were from the office of mental retardation (Omar for short). I was talking with the lady that was in charge of the group. She said some were in worse shape than the others,but she seemed to be able to keep them under control. One was doing something. He started to frustrated because it wasn’t going his way. She goes over helps him out and talks to him for a couple minutes. He went back to doing what he was doing. End of story. She told me some of her workers had scrips they took every day. Some were for mood altering. Some were for reasons of medical problems with their bodies and not their mind. Nobody was ever given shots on the spur of the moment like you said that Dr. gave that one patient. One thing that got me was where you wrote one of the patients that was being loaded on the truck,decided to belt out a line from the Polish national anthem . The part that got me,wasn’t that he knew the national anthem (I’m not saying mentally challenged people can’t memorize things). It was his timing. Once again I’m not running that person down because of his challenged state of mind. It’s just I don’t see how someone with issues like that,can understand what “defiance” is. It reminds me of the scene from “Bridge on the River Kwai”. All the POWs started whistling in defiance (which that never happened) and to be sarcastic . So I hear about one the patients doing that,I just find it hard to believe they could comprehend,sarcasm or defiance. I’m not trying to start anything. It’s just given the mental condition of those patients,it don’t make good sense. I don’t think any of the patients there were trying to pull a “Jack Nicholson”(one flew over the cuckoos nest) either.

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 5:04 pm

                • Tim, most likely it never happened.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 4:28 pm

                • Really, Jim?
                  Then, why were there GERMAN protests over the Euthanasia Program, so much so that Hitler publicly suspended the program?

                  http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/hitler-suspends-euthanasia-program

                  Do you deny these protests happened?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 4:38 pm

                • Jim, just like every denier you don’t know or care about the deaths of other victims. You focus on Jews because that’s your hangup.
                  The truth is the Nazis showed a genocidal bent before the mass killings of the Jews. Action T-4, the 14f13 Program, the deliberate mass starvation and mistreatment that caused the death of 2 million Soviet POWs between June of 1941 and the Spring of 1942, Operation Tannenberg, the wild “partisan hunts” in Belorussia that killed or displaced millions, you don’t give a shit about such things because none of those things start with a “J.”

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 4:51 pm

                • I might buy into happening to a certain extent. Obviously no one wanted to put a case on any of the people that may or may not have been involved in it. Clearly cause we pulled the same stunt here in America . I just can’t figure out why they’d want to take the patients off the hospital property,in order to off them. It would make more sense to have a dedicated area,in order to carry out those kind of tasks. The way history records the holo,the nazis didn’t care who saw what was going on at the camps. If that’s the case,why would they give a shit about where they killed these patients at? Bump em off there and plant the corpses on or off the hospital property. Drag em out at night. Seems pointless to load all of the up in trucks. I read somewhere on here ( I read it somewhere between you and Jeff trading barbs),that they wanted to off these folks,so they could free up beds for the German soldiers that were injured. That don’t make sense. They built quarters for all the jew prison inmates. Why didn’t they build housing for the patients of the hospital there,instead of wasting them and having to go plant their dead bodies. That brings another question to mind. They bumped these patients off in secrecy . They took them off the castle property. They buried them off castle property. They didn’t want anyone to know what they were up to. Now you go to the prisons. According to what and how history said the nazis killed all the Jews,they never said the nazis tried to cover up what they were doing. So if they were so concerned about where they killed and buried the patients of the hospital,why weren’t they concerned about trying to hide what was going on at the prisons? I’d think they’d wanna keep the Jew thing secret,before they kept the death of the mental patients secret.

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 5:29 pm

                • Good point!

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 5:31 pm

                • [Just wait you damn ass, I’ll show you your “Poland is not yet dead.”] The last to leave the hospital were the children. By the beginning of December, the hospital had no more patients. 18 According to Dr. Jaroszewski, the evacuation began around November 1. The men were the first to be taken away. Only then were the women and children evacuated. The report also states that the women and final transports were sent to Fort VII and gassed. Based on this report, Lange did participate in murdering patients from this hospital, but it is not clear if he had overall organizational responsibility of the operation. The timeframe provided by Dr. Jaroszewski (there were no patients left in the hospital by the beginning of December) would indicate that Lange was not prepared to carry out mobile operations at the beginning of
                  Cont….

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 2:46 pm

                • operations at the beginning of November. However, the women and children from the Owi ń ska facility did provide Lange with the guinea pigs he required for his experiments as confirmed by eyewitnesses. Henryk Mania was a teenager studying metalworking in September 1939 when Germany attacked Poland. Within two weeks, he was arrested for allegedly trying to poison a German. After working on a chain gang for a few weeks repairing roads and rail lines, he was among a group of prisoners transferred from a jail in the town of Wolsztyn to a cell in Fort VII. After a short period of time, only a few of his fellow prisoners were still alive. Mania, Marian Libelt and Wacław Ś witała from Rakoniewice were transferred to a new cell, designated with the initials “SK” [Sonderkommando], in which four other Polish prisoners were being held:
                  Cont…..

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 2:48 pm

                • Stanisław Szyma ń ski and Kajetan Skrzypczy ń ski. The same day that we were moved to the “SK” cell, we were called out by an SS man, but not the one who normally guarded the corridor. Two trucks, loaded with people, were parked in the courtyard of Fort VII and surrounded by SS men. These people were mentally ill, you could tell by looking at them. We were ordered to take these people from the trucks to a separate bunker. The SS men supervised us, yelling and pushing. We also carried steel cylinders, like those used for oxygen, from the truck and put them near the bunker. After leading the people into the bunker and closing the iron door, the SS men ordered us to seal the door with clay, after which they took us back to our cell. After a short period of time, we were again taken to the courtyard. We were ordered to remove the clay, open the door and remove the corpses of the gassed mental patients. I found out later that the prisoners in whose cell we were placed had done this previously; they themselves told me. I carried the corpses from the bunker to the truck. After loading the truck with the corpses of the patients, we were returned to our cell. The gassing of the mental patients described
                  Cont…..

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

                • The gassing of the mental patients described above was repeated several more times […] However, I do know that they were patients brought to Fort VII from the psychiatric hospital in Owi ń ska near Pozna ń . 19 Mania didn’t know it at the time, but he had just become a laborer in the Fort VII Sonderkommando. The 16-year-old also didn’t know that there was a second “SK” cell. Mania’s group was detailed to escort the victims from the trucks in which they arrived to the bunker used for gassing. Afterwards, the group carried the corpses to trucks waiting to take them for burial in a secluded wooded area. A second group of prisoners was taken to the forest to dig the mass graves and bury the victims. Members of this second group included Leszek Jaskólski and a forester by profession, Franciszek Piekarski, the most senior member of the group at age 55 who served as the leader of these prisoners and who Mania and the others feared. The two
                  Cont….

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 2:50 pm

                • ……These mass graves were discovered after the war in section 163 of the Ró ż nowo Forest under the administration of the Oborniki Forest Inspectorate. 23
                  The above information is regarding the murder of mental patients in Poland.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 2:53 pm

                • Gas vans:

                  After establishing that carbon monoxide gas was an effective killing agent, what Lange needed was a mobile gas chamber. There are no surviving documents about the development of this vehicle and it is not known who came up with the idea of putting a gas chamber on wheels. The only information concerning the development of this gas van are two sentences contained in the postwar testimony of Henryk Maliczak, the Fort VII prisoner and gravedigger for Sonderkommando Lange: “This vehicle was converted for this purpose in the courtyard of the Soldier’s Home, the Gestapo headquarters in Pozna ń . Four prisoners from our group, including myself and the carpenter Józef Szyma ń ski, had to line the interior of the vehicle with plywood.” 26 This vehicle became known as the infamous Kaiser’s Kaffee van as for a period of time the sides of the vehicle featured the logo of the “Kaiser’s Kaffee Geschäft” [Kaiser’s Coffee Company], a well-known German firm, founded in 1880. Sonderkommando Lange was the only unit to have operated such a vehicle. In fact, there are no cases of operations employing a gas van being conducted simultaneously in two different locations during this period. Physical descriptions of this van vary among the witnesses who were present at the hospitals during the evacuations. In their testimonies from 1964 and 1967, Mania and Maliczak never mention there being more than one van in operation. However, in an interview granted to a Czech journalist in 1962, Mania stated that two vehicles were used for gassing. There is no transcript of this interview, only a police report filed after the interview was given. 27 Various eyewitness testimonies of hospital personnel refer to the gassing vehicle in the plural, but often within the same testimony the singular is also used. There is no testimony describing two gas vans operating in conjunction with one another. In analyzing testimonies as a whole, within a given operation, it is clear that only one gassing van was used. It cannot be concluded from Mania’s one-time assertion of there being two gas vans that both were used at the same time. If indeed there were two such vans, a second vehicle may have been employed temporarily, perhaps due to some technical problem with the Kaiser’s Kaffee van. The best evidence of a second gassing vehicle is the description of the contraption used during the operation conducted at the Hospital for the Indigent in Ś rem (see below). Having established the Sonderkommando, conducted gassing experiments and converting what was described as a furniture truck into a gas chamber on wheels, Lange was ready to begin the Euthanasia Program in the Warthegau, with its mobile killing operations. When the bureaucrats in the Gauselbstverwaltung prepared the paperwork for an evacuation, the order was transferred to HSSPF Koppe, and Lange was dispatched. Two years before the Chełmno camp became operational, Lange began mobile gassing operations on December 7, 1939, at the Dziekanka Psychiatric Hospital in Gniezno, some 50 kilometers east of Pozna ń . This facility housed 1,172 patients on September 11, 1939, when the Germans arrived and took over the hospital. The director of the facility, Dr. Wiktor Ratka, assumed his position following the death of the previous director, Dr. Aleksander Piotrowski, in 1933.

                  I think we all get the picture now.
                  The above information is from Patrick Montague’s book “Chelmno and the Holocaust.”
                  It is the only English language book that I know of that deals with only Chelmno.
                  The author does spend some time talking about the Euthanasia program as background information.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 2:59 pm

                • Jeff…..LOL
                  After establishing that carbon monoxide gas was an effective killing agent, what Lange needed was a mobile gas chamber. There are no surviving documents about the development of this vehicle and it is not known who came up with the idea of putting a gas chamber on wheels. The only information concerning the development of this gas van are two sentences contained in the postwar testimony of Henryk Maliczak,

                  Yup that about sums it up…two sentences and thats what made it gospel truth…..
                  Pretty funny! Yup the Holocaust is true because it is true……yup that one sentence about wraps it up.
                  How could I be so stupid NOT to believe such thoughtful reasoning.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 3:09 pm

                • Can you refute any of it?
                  Do you deny the Euthanasia Action happened?
                  Do you deny it happened in Poland? Do you have proof otherwise?

                  Back in your court, Jim.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 3:21 pm

                • Jeff….really now, you are throwing at me a small group of people supposedly being killed……WOW! Did Hitler have anything to do with it?
                  How does that show an extermination policy of several million?
                  Euthanasia policies don’t concern me as the USA had similar things going on that would make peoples skin crawl also…..
                  Show me how the millions were killed……

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 3:29 pm

                • Hitler initiated the Euthanasia or T-4 Program, Jim.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4

                  It had no legal basis in German Law, other than coming under Hitler’s personal authority.

                  It extended to Poland in order to free up hospital space for wounded German soldiers. At first it untilized starvation and lethal injection but later gas chambers were used for efficiency. Several of the T-4 program members served at the Reinhard camps (why would such people serve at “transit camps,” Jim?).

                  Do you deny any of what I’ve said?
                  Provide proof.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 3:46 pm

                • The balls in your court to back up what you say…….
                  I can’t prove a negative.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 3:54 pm

                • So, in other words, you can’t prove anything.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 4:21 pm

                • Also Jim you say no surviving documents on the development of the gas vans right? You do know this is highly inaccurate right?

                  There is a document on its advancement which was translated in the Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression book. I think it was red series… It would be a bit to much digging on my part to find but its a letter from Dr. August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer Rauff. It makes it quite clear that there were models of the gas vans as well it points out ways to improve the Van. This sounds like a development document to me.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 9:17 pm

                • Found it! It’s on pages 999 and 1000 of volume 1.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 9:25 pm

                • I think relying off books is better. Especially Nuremberg and Pressacs writings, and at times Van pelt. I generally try to stay away from THHP cause deniers have the mentality that they have debunked the website. It’s really easy to refute them anyway. They cannot tell the difference between (.3%) and (6%) volume wise, they will refuse documentation no matter where it is from, so it’s best to make it an English and accessible source.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 9:48 pm

                • Books are actually the worst. Historians write history,the way they think it should be written. The liberal puke historians would have you believe we murdered innocent dinks in Nam. Ever seen a slope mother sacrifice her baby with explosives,just so she could take out a group of soldiers and look good in the eyes of Uncle Ho. I’ve seen it. It’s horrible. One thing I wish I never saw. However the liberal historians would have their readers believe we murdered that woman and her child. Historians are there for the sheep.

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 7:49 am

                • Complete bullshit! The Historical community is quite well aware of how writing history works. Sorry to also say it but if this is how you think Tim, you should also conclude that Mattogno and Garf are writing history how they believe it should be. They all would be writing for their own gains.

                  It’s been proven time and time again that the most effective way to write history is based on a convergence of evidence. Pre-historic writers know this quite well as they work off from the findings from digs and other archeological evidence. Also no just cause a historian writes about the holocaust doesn’t mean they are automatically a Liberal. You would need to prove they spew out biased nonsense and that such a debate is needed.

                  Also why in the hell are we talking about communism? This is unrelated to the holocaust Tim.

                  You have shown to be an idiot speaking out of your ass! You would need to discredit someone’s argument, aka all of their arguments for them to be proven lies. Not exactly meaning to have you bombarded with claims, but you still haven’t proven my quote on the gas vans in Maly wrong… The Arlt report is another example of murder and you have just ignored it. It’s pointless to continue.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 8:28 am

                • Pull your head outta your ass sweetheart. You made it sound like a chore to pull up info on the gas vans. I did it in under a couple seconds. Told you to quit flinging the word idiot around. You’re not here,so I can’t educate you. However La Grange,Texas ain’t hard to find. If you find yourself in my neck of the woods,stop by. I’ll hold class just for you. Communism ain’t got dick to do with the price of tea in China. I said “I DONT TRUST THE RUSKIES”. They’re cut throat bastards. There’s an old adage. “History is written by those who it”( there’s other variations on that adage). I’m not just referring to the holo here slick. I don’t trust historians on anything. The historians love being referred to as “experts on a given subject”. They walk around with the hardon from hell. They like to think they got themselves a chip in the big game,while they exist in their measley ass little world. Point of fact. Slavery was a horrible institution,but the historians left out a few facts. Some plantations actually paid their slaves. How the hell else you think former slaves could buy land after they were emancipated. They don’t wanna bring that up. It won’t work to well with the,”take pity on me. I’m the poor abused black man” attitude. One that hits it home for me. Nam. Yea. We were mother rapists and baby killers. That’s funny,because I saw a dink mother sacrifice her baby with a satchel charge. The historians weren’t to quick to note that at the time. Here’s a perfect example. Cronkite went to Nam to report on what’s going on there. He’s making history while he’s doing it. He was irresponsible as a journalist and historian. He didn’t report the damn facts. He gave America ,”their opinion”. The sheep were stupid enough to swallow every word he said. From where I stand,he abused my trust in him”. I don’t give a flyin f–k if the subject is slavery,the holo,Nam or even the bible for that matter . All the shit is written down and perceived as being the holy gospel because some “know it all” said that’s how it happened. People like to go along with their report of a certain historical period,because they can sit on their collective fat asses and not have to put in their own work. Actually it’s pathetic when you think about it.

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 9:13 am

                • Did I claim it was a chore? Again as stated I stay offline sites cause they are inaccurate.

                  Now stop talking crap, the only person whom has been called an Idiot is Jim, which is not flinging it around.

                  I have never claimed it was hard to find the documents. I just was providing my sources, and sorry to say but that source is easy to find.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 9:20 am

                • You wrote: “…the only person whom has been called an Idiot..”

                  That should be “the only person WHO has been called an Idiot”

                  You can read the rules of grammar at
                  http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/who-versus-whom

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 9:30 am

                • Let him go FG. He’s acting like the prom queen that just got f–ked over by the captain of the football team.

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 9:54 am

                • You wrote “Let him go”.

                  Do you mean that I should ban him [or her] from commenting here?

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 10:04 am

                • No. Hell no. If you did that,you’d be no better than the holo law countries. I’ve explained to people here that no matter where “you”,stand on this issue,you welcome both sides. You let people use freedom of speech and thought here. Try going on the UKA or AB website and bring up a view different than theirs. Hell. I even got shut down by this gal I was writing at the holo museum. I wasn’t being disrespectful . I just asked her a question that made her squirm. No I met don’t beat your head on the wall with this person. Daddy always told me,”regardless of what the facts may or may not prove,never argue with a person who’s mind is made up and closed. You’re just gonna get overly pissed off”

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 10:17 am

                • You wrote: “…I stay offline sites cause they are inaccurate.”

                  What are you trying to say?

                  Do you mean that you do not read websites because they are inaccurate?

                  Is English your first language? If not, I would be happy to correct your comments so that others can understand what you are trying to say.

                  Do you understand the expression “fed up”? As in “I am fed up with you.”

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 9:37 am

                • No, its mostly just quickly typing cause at the moment I’m in class, and were getting a lecture. As a quick fix it was originally made to read. “I stay off from websites cause they are inaccurate.” Nizkor is outdated, THHP has great points and resources but quoting them just causes issues generally. People from CODOH generally just instantly call them bunk…

                  And don’t worry about correcting them, what happens with my typing is my own fault. If I rush them, then I rush them.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 10:57 am

                • You’re “in class”. Hope you ain’t gonna be tested on the material of this lecture. There’s the reason why college kids ain’t smart as they try make us think they are. I tried shit like that when I was at jungle warfare school at Ft. Polk. I was yammering away at a team mate while the instructor was trying to teach us how to stay alive in the jungle. I didn’t see him coming til it was too late. Five of clubs right to my jaw. It was sore and swollen for the next 4 day. It made for a damn good attention getter. That’s what these college instructors need to do

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 12:45 pm

                • I record my lectures encase I miss anything… but I think you would agree that sitting through the entire thing again would suck. I will most likely be tested later down the road, but not for a while.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 12:53 pm

                • Then again I’m sure your instructor ain’t gonna come crack you upside the head for not following along. I’d rather listen to the lecture,that way I could ask questions at the end,if something didn’t jive with me.

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 1:59 pm

                • True, but it’s also not like it takes 5 minutes to respond to a WordPress post.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 2:02 pm

                • You mentioned “gas vans” that were allegedly used by the Nazis to kill Jews.

                  According to the book, “Mauthausen: The History of a Death Camp” by Evelyn Le Chene, an estimated combined total of 10,000 persons were executed by gassing in the Mauthausen gas chamber, the mobile gas vans that ran between Mauthausen and Gusen, and in the gas chambers at Hartheim Castle.

                  This is the book:
                  Mauthausen: The History of a Death Camp Hardcover – October 21, 1971
                  by Evelyn Le Chene (Author)

                  She does not mention anything about the proof that this occurred.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 10:52 am

                • She doesn’t have to offer any proof that all people have to do today is write a book saying that this and that happened so many people died this is how they died but they don’t have to show any facts or reasoning on how it happened but gullible Goyim will believe it because it was written in a book somewhere.
                  When the legend becomes accepted as fact then write the legend.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 10:56 am

                • I saw a picture of a gas van. Now if a person is going to use one of these,wouldn’t you want the actual trailer body to be air tight. I bring that up,because they mentioned the driver had a gas mask. If the trailer was air tight,why would the driver need a gas mask. Better yet,why didn’t the driver just get outta the truck all together. I’m talking about people who built and flew the “flying wing”,long before Kelley Johnson and his Skunk Works team,designed theirs. These are the same folks who built the grandfather of today’s ICBM. They do all that highly technical shit,but they can’t build an air tight trailer body for the gas van. Don’t make good sense

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 12:35 pm

                • I would be to much digging on your part? How lazy are you? I put “letter from dr. August Becker to SS on gas vans” in the search engine. Bam! It surfaced in about a half a second . It’s from the Jew virtual library,but I found it none the less. So why would it be so difficult for you to find it. This time,burden of proof is in your court. Stop running your pie hole as to how difficult a task may be and try to put in your own work.

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 7:40 am

                • Books work very well. They are a reference that doesn’t die or generally loose value. They have also proven to be more accurate then JVL.

                  JVLs page on Majdanek is the best example of why it’s untrustworthy and their Dachau page is enough to make any informed person laugh…

                  I see no reason to use online sources at all when I can easily note pages in a book that you can find in PDF format online. So sorry to tell you, but calling me lazy also doesn’t exactly help you when I flipped through a hard copy looking through the page. Cause unlike Zundel, I don’t mark my books.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 8:17 am

                • So you’re trying to tell us you take the old school route when digging for history. You’ve quoted to me,”I see no reason to use online resources at all”. If thats the case then why did you say,”read the link,then you’ll know if it’s 4.5 million dead or not”. Since you direct me to a “link”,it sounds like you use online sources somewhat .

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 12:19 pm

                • I’m not telling you to do anything, I have requested stuff of Scrap though. I personally prefer books as they a great resources. You can’t always get them free, but they are of a good amount of value… They worked quite fine for David Cole in his Early years.

                  “If thats the case then why did you say,”read the link,then you’ll know if it’s 4.5 million dead or not”. Since you direct me to a “link”,it sounds like you use online sources somewhat.”

                  I didn’t provide the Link to it… Jeff did.

                  “Knock yourself out, Talbot.

                  http://yvng.yadvashem.org/

                  That is the Yad Vashem database. They’ve collected 4.5 million names.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 14, 2016 @ 2:13 pm ”

                  You would make a better case off my point of google searching images….

                  Or maybe when I linked this to Jim as a retort…. Cause he did the exact same stupid move.

                  “Just like your intelligence
                  http://hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/gasvans1.html

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 4:52 pm ”

                  Or maybe when I linked a post to quotes from books/Translated-documents for everyones viewing.

                  There other examples around, and since I “direct”you “to a “link”” from another person… Does that mean I use these sources? nope.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 12:34 pm

                • Settle down Beavis. I didn’t say you provided a link there. You referenced the link like you’ve used it before. Hell I love books too. Something more personal about a book as compared to the internet books . Dostoevsky,Milton,Machiavelli and Lawrence just to name a few. I’d rather read their books in print than on the Internet . I’ve tried both routes and find something more comforting about holding a book

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 1:55 pm

                • True, and I fully agree about books feeling more natural… And no I didn’t mean to go and act as If I have used It, I just mean for you to look. I haven’t. As far as I’m aware it’s counting dead, but that’s off a guess from what Jeff and Tal were saying.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 2:01 pm

                • That’s fine. I can accept that. I told you I listen to everyone. Like pop told me one time,”keep your God damn pie hole shut and your ears open. You might actually learn something”

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 2:05 pm

                • Yep

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 2:06 pm

                • The HoloHuxsters refuse to use revisionist books because the revisionist books will blow them out of the water, but they will use books from their own people who say they think are experts in the field but a lot of them have their own agendas which basically is to promote the Jewish version of the Holocaust they have to keep that lie going
                  At whatever cost.

                  Best books out there on the HoloHoax
                  http://codoh.com/library/series/1187/

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 12:37 pm

                • Crap books useful to line my son’s birdcage.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 12:46 pm

                • Page… Your links do not help to the conversation, could you maybe provide input instead?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 9:09 pm

                • What’s “page” mean Susie ? Are you trying to imply FGs name is “Paige”? She does contribute to the discussion. She refers the reader to a past article she’s written. I see other people do the same damn thing on here. Why go to the trouble of explaining something,when you can just direct someone to a previous article,that’s gonna say it all. Not only that. This is her site. If you don’t like how she operates,don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 7:32 am

                • Tim read the name of Blog, and pay close attention to the very end. Scrapbook”page”s… I also wouldn’t call linking your writings saying “hay I wrote about this here” really has any impact on anything at all. She should provide the important portions from her posts instead of constantly linking them out of nowhere. If she doesn’t wish to contribute with a voice, then it’s best to remain a spectator. I don’t mind her joining in, but she should try and give real issues.

                  Not like her point she tried to use against Anon when he demanded for evidence that Majdaneks Bunker couldn’t be used for gassings. Her actual argument was just linking a blog post which complained about scratch mark, that for all we know could have been added by people passing though like in Auschwtiz. If such scratching happened then it happened early on in the museums life time.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 8:41 am

                • Jeff thanks for the info about gas vans now prove it…
                  HoloHuxsters have an answer for everything to bad it’s not the right answer.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 2:26 pm

                • Just like your intelligence
                  http://hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/gasvans1.html

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 4:52 pm

                • “A serious revision you want to take place….don’t hold your breath…..
                  Time to do your own research…The archive site isn’t working right now…..hmmm…wonder why?
                  Try this one….
                  http://codoh.com/library/series/1187/
                  JR”

                  So Jim… Your telling me that If I attack a man in his let’s say 80’s to 90’s I also as well can get my chance to post on Codoh like Eric Hunt?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 8:13 pm

                • I take it by your question you don’t know the whole story you really think he attacked him please typical Jew answer that’s how they look at everything they’re the ones that are abused.
                  You might want to find out what really happened but again if you believe in the HoloHoax you probably don’t want to know the truth anyway.
                  If the legend is accepted as truth then print the legend.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 8:25 pm

                • What’s to know, Jim?

                  http://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jury-convicts-man-in-attack-on-Elie-Wiesel-3276032.php

                  The rather disheveled looking man in the photograph attacked a man, what, 50 years older than him?

                  What a paragon of “Aryan” values Eric Hunt is.
                  Of course, since the Nazis regularly murdered the defenseless I guess this attack doesn’t really bother you.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 8:30 pm

                • Jeff why don’t you find out from Eric and what happened don’t depend on the news media to give you the truth believe me I’ve dealt with the media and I know everything they say is Twisted not even close to what really happened but if you want to believe that crap that’s up to you I’ve seen the courts have seen the police everyone out there twist things just the opposite of what really happened so I don’t buy it if you want to believe that b******* then good for you.
                  I had a friend of mine and go to jail for 7 days for taking pictures so I know how the courts work but you don’t know the whole story you really have no right to comment on it. And if you depend on the main news media today that I don’t know what to say because they are not really for truth and justice.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 8:35 pm

                • What, I’m supposed to believe Hunt DIDN’T attack Eli Wiesel?
                  Please, Jim.
                  Eric Hunt is a rather sad individual I pity. He needs help but he is so in the grip of his delusions that he refuses to get help.
                  Hey, if his video habit keeps him from shooting up a Jewish school or synagogue I’m all for it.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 8:41 pm

                • Jeff honestly you might want to talk to Eric about what happened to him.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 8:45 pm

                • You wrote: “I’m supposed to believe Hunt DIDN’T attack Eli Wiesel?”

                  Yes, that is correct: Hunt DIDN’T attack Eli Wiesel.”

                  What really happened is that Eric Hunt approached Eli Wiesel in the hallway of a hotel. He wanted to ask Eli some questions. Eric didn’t know that Eli Wiesel has always refused to answer questions about his alleged Holocaust experience. Eli panicked and tried to run away. Eric made the mistake of continuing to try to question him.

                  Eli Wiesel has finally admitted that he is a fraud and that he was never in any camp.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 8:09 am

                • FG….. it’s hard to try to to convince the Knuckleheads here of what the truth is they already have what they want to believe in their own minds I’m glad you brought this up about Eric most people don’t know what happened here Eric didn’t hit him didn’t attack Eli,. I think he might have touched his arm or hand or something and they got him for an assault or something like that but that’s how the Jews work.
                  I had a70 year old Jew asshole attack me while collecting signatures for a political office and nothing happened to him because he was seventy years old, he was six foot 5 but nobody really cared about that I’m only 5’4 but he actually grabbed me shook me around the cops were called and nothing happened they even had it on camera but they didn’t go look at the camera so it just shows you how Despicable the Jews are and how they do things and how the law protects them and no one else.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 8:18 am

                • I blogged about the alleged attack on Eli Wiesel, by Eric Hunt, at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/if-you-insist-on-answers-to-your-questions-you-could-be-morally-ill/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 8:22 am

                • All reporters do that . I’ve seen where someone doesn’t want to answer a question,but a reporter will bird dog the hell out of them

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 8:28 am

                • “You wrote: “I’m supposed to believe Hunt DIDN’T attack Eli Wiesel?”
                  Yes, that is correct: Hunt DIDN’T attack Eli Wiesel.”
                  What really happened is that Eric Hunt approached Eli Wiesel in the hallway of a hotel. He wanted to ask Eli some questions. Eric didn’t know that Eli Wiesel has always refused to answer questions about his alleged Holocaust experience. Eli panicked and tried to run away. Eric made the mistake of continuing to try to question him.
                  Eli Wiesel has finally admitted that he is a fraud and that he was never in any camp.”

                  1) this is very inaccurate to the truth. Hunts conversation happened on an elevator and he admitted to dragging Elie Wiesel.

                  This is ignoring the fact he spent $10,000 to stalk and elderly man for I think about a week.

                  2) Hunt forcefully dragged Wiesel out from the elevator and he even admitted to it.

                  3) Elie and Hunt said that he would answer questions in public, the issue was is that Eric wanted a private in a room interview.

                  3)Proof for Wiesels admission is needed, do not link EWT as a source. I nor anyone in their right mind calls this place accurate. Give the exact place he admitted it, and as additional proof is it on recording? Is there any evidence that he himself actually said it?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 9:00 am

                • You wrote: 3)Proof for Wiesels admission is needed, do not link EWT as a source. I nor anyone in their right mind calls this place accurate. Give the exact place he admitted it, and as additional proof is it on recording? Is there any evidence that he himself actually said it?”

                  I wrote about this on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/elie-wiesel-admits-that-he-has-no-concentration-camp-tattoo/

                  Sorry that I have a habit of giving links to my previous blog posts. I have been blogging for over 5 years and I have written over 1,500 blog posts. You are new to the zoo, so I don’t want to repeat everything that I have written over a period of 5 years.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 9:16 am

                • Your blog doesn’t exactly prove anything… Scrap what was requested was the words which he said. Not Carolyn Yeager’s email. As well, I requested a film of him saying it, that is if film of it existed. The Email says nothing at all, and doesn’t prove Elies Statement. Your source is also EWT… which was asked to not be considered a source.

                  Anyone also can disprove this post here.

                  http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/show-us-a-tattoo-darn-it/

                  with a simple search for Holocaust Tattoos. They range in different sizes as well are very crude.

                  As well they can be very small.

                  They can also be quite faded.

                  http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/23bfb730a0716ff84c182e063bbad9e5?api_key=zw4msefggf9wdvqswdfuqnr5

                  I hope this makes things clear.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:15 am

                • If you find this site of no intellectual value,then move your happy ass the f–k down the road

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 11:58 am

                • Did I say the site had no Intellectual value? No.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:59 am

                • clickhead….how about getting in touch with Eric Hunt and ask him, you obviously have your mind made up and go along with the Jew run media version of things.
                  Eli the Weasel is a bold face liar but I guess that doesn’t bother you. You make issues out of non issues and avoid the real issues….
                  The HoloHoax is the biggest scam of the 20th Century and the Jew run media has not let up on the lies and misinformation that it spreads to guys like you.
                  Of course if you want to be a dumbo and believe the lies more power to you….

                  Long and short of it ….
                  You want to believe that millions of Jews were killed with ZB bug spray good for you. In actuality that bug spray saved their lives.
                  The Jews use the HoloHoax as a means to blackmail countries and extort billions of dollars out of people and govts….without it they would be a non issue in the news….with it they have power and prestige to bully nations and peoples around them with no accountability . Despicable people ( and those who support them) will have to answer to God when the day comes for the lies they have spread and the lives ruined for perpetuating such a scam.

                  To top it all off…all you HoloHuxsters here get to enjoy your freedom for supporting the HoloHoax lies while we “deniers” actuality truthers go to jail in 19 countries for attempting to defend ourselves from people like you. Imagine me and people like me go to jail (soon here in the USA also) for having a different belief system than you on a historical topic. The courts have ruled that there is NO other interpretation of the HoloHoax it happened the way the liars have said it happened and there is NO debate case closed, if you deviate from the Official Jewish Version you go to jail or are heavenly fined, thanks a lot for having an open mind guys….
                  That my friend is a tell time sign of a cult….This is the ONLY topic in the world that this happens with….definitely something wrong with this picture??

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 9:40 am

                • Long and short of it ….
                  “You want to believe that millions of Jews were killed with ZB bug spray good for you. In actuality that bug spray saved their lives.”

                  Probably about a million, Jim. Nice to see you are no longer saying “six million killed with bug spray.”
                  Really, though, it is not “bug spray.”

                  “The Jews use the HoloHoax as a means to blackmail countries and extort billions of dollars out of people and govts….”

                  I want to see your stats on that. Why do you not provide them?

                  “without it they would be a non issue in the news….with it they have power and prestige to bully nations and peoples around them with no accountability . Despicable people ( and those who support them) will have to answer to God when the day comes for the lies they have spread and the lives ruined for perpetuating such a scam.”

                  Again, you need to be specific. This looks, feels and smells like rhetoric.

                  “To top it all off…all you HoloHuxsters here get to enjoy your freedom for supporting the HoloHoax lies while we “deniers” actuality truthers go to jail in 19 countries for attempting to defend ourselves from people like you.”

                  I believe it’s 20 now, Jim.

                  “Imagine me and people like me go to jail (soon here in the USA also) for having a different belief system than you on a historical topic.”

                  I believe it is more on the line of disseminating hate speech rather than a belief system.

                  “The courts have ruled that there is NO other interpretation of the HoloHoax it happened the way the liars have said it happened and there is NO debate case closed, if you deviate from the Official Jewish Version you go to jail or are heavenly fined,”

                  Not here or in Britain, Jim. I think you are pretty safe.

                  “thanks a lot for having an open mind guys….
                  That my friend is a tell time sign of a cult….”

                  Holocaust denial actually looks more like a cult to me. It has a dead hero (Hitler), a set of villains (Jews) and a creed no sane person could understand.

                  “This is the ONLY topic in the world that this happens with….definitely something wrong with this picture??”

                  Well, not in this country or Britain. You can continue to post all the videos you want, Jim.

                  Comment by Jeff K — June 16, 2016 @ 9:53 am

                • As long as we’re talking about zyklon,do they still make it? I’m asking because here in southeast Texas,we gotta a big problem with scorpions. Nothing kills them except for a boot. If they still make it,do you reckon they might make a pesticide ,where zyklon is the base? If they do,would it be available to the general public

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 11:05 am

                • I don’t think it is made in the form used in the 1940’s.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 11:14 am

                • Reckon it might be available in a pesticide ? If so,you think general public could buy it? I’m asking cause it’s a very deadly chemical

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 11:53 am

                • Question. I read an accusation (it was made by another Heb) ,that Ellie’s number was his fathers number or another inmates number. He just got the tatt put on so he could say it was his number. What’s the skinny on that?

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 11:00 am

                • As far as I understand Eli the Wiesel liar doesn’t have any tattoo number that we can see anyway.
                  He covers up his arm so no one can see if he has a number as far as I understand he doesn’t even have a member. He stole another person’s identity that’s what I hear.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 11:05 am

                • I figured if he was that popular of a historical figure,the holo museum in DC or here in Houston would have something about him in their archives. No luck there

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 1:15 pm

                • You wrote: “He just got the tatt put on so he could say it was his number.”

                  No, Elie Wiesel never ever got a tattoo put on his arm. He was never in a camp, as he claimed. He NEVER ever bothered to get a tattoo put on his arm. He just continued to claim that he was in a camp, and no one challenged him for years and years.
                  I wrote about this on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/elie-wiesel-shows-his-tattoo/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 11:09 am

                • I was just asking,cause it was another Jew that called him down. This fella said it was either his fathers number or he stole the number from one of the inmates that were actually there .

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 1:19 pm

                • “clickhead….how about getting in touch with Eric Hunt and ask him, you obviously have your mind made up and go along with the Jew run media version of things.”

                  How about no? You understand that contacting him and just asking him is one side of the story. I will just take his original posting online for his own words. They are somewhere in the lost space of ZioPedia.

                  As for the rest of your ramblings… have fun believing that.

                  “That my friend is a tell time sign of a cult….This is the ONLY topic in the world that this happens with….definitely something wrong with this picture??”

                  How exactly does you being jailed mean a cult is ruling over you? This doesn’t effect the reality of past events.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:03 am

                • Holocaust Cult
                  http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-holocaust-is-new-religion-of-west.html?m=1

                  […] ‘The Holocaust’ is far more than historical narrative, it indeed contains most of the essential religious elements: it has its priests (Simon Wiesenthal, Elie Wiesel, Deborah Lipstadt, etc.) and prophets (Shimon Peres, Benjamin Netanyahu and those who warn about the Iranian Judeocide to come). It has its commandments and dogmas (‘never again’, ‘six million’, etc.). It has its rituals (memorial days, Pilgrimage to Auschwitz etc.). It establishes an esoteric symbolic order (kapo, gas chambers, chimneys, dust, Musselmann, etc.). It has its shrines and temples (Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Museum and now the UN). If this is not enough, the Holocaust religion is also maintained by a massive economic network and global financial infrastructures (Holocaust industry a la Norman Finkelstein). Most interestingly, the Holocaust religion is coherent enough to define the new ‘antichrists’ (the Deniers) and it is powerful enough to persecute them (Holocaust denial laws). […]

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 11:14 am

                • “Holocaust denial (a field of Holocaust revisionism) is the assertion that the Holocaust (often called the “Holohoax”) perpetrated by Nazi Germany, other Axis powers, and their collaborators in occupied Europe during the Second World War never happened or that it happened vastly differently from the “official” story. Like most conspiracy theories, it takes many forms; however, the claims generally fall into three categories:

                  Was Faked

                  Didn’t Happen

                  Wasn’t that bad

                  Particularly when it focuses on “how the Jews faked it all,” Holocaust denial is a form of anti-Semitism. This denial of Jewish suffering is embraced by bigots who are too cowardly to admit that they wished that Hitler had finished the job.”

                  http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

                  Keyword “Conspiracy Theory”…. Sorry to play the quoting game Jim, as well you are providing a source with what credentials? NONE, so I thought I would return the favor. Its quite sad to say you are falling into Denier Bud category bullshit. You cannot just make claims, so far you have only presented what appears to be a site which copied the ideas from HDVs website.

                  Oh well, I’m sure you and Monstrous would get along just fine… Anon mentions him quite often.

                  http://skepticforum.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=15918

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:29 am

                • Monstrous is in the process of getting smacked around by me, Statistical Machine, Denying History and jeff36 about the Einsatzgruppen.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 11:38 am

                • Yah, Anon mentioned that. Hes arguing they were partizans, correct?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:40 am

                • Yes. Apparently even the children.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 12:06 pm

                • How?… I’m not even going to comment… Has he even looked at the images that Statistical Mechanic posted?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 12:10 pm

                • Like any Holocaust denier he is not amenable to reason.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 12:26 pm

                • Some have been able to, but this depends on how open they are to the idea of the Final Solution.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 12:35 pm

                • Auschwitz Plain Facts
                  Page 100
                  7. Conclusion about Holohuckster JC Pressac
                  Pressac thought that he had found a middle way between the extermina-
                  tionist thesis and the revisionist thesis. His own thesis is, as we have seen, hy-
                  brid and weird: at Auschwitz, an altogether subaltern personnel of civilian and
                  military engineers and technicians had underhandedly converted innocuous
                  cold rooms for the storing of corpses into homicidal gas chambers, whose
                  technique and operation the author is unable to set out for us in a scientific
                  manner.
                  Pressac’s chosen method of proceeding consists essentially in ignoring the
                  material realities: the structure of rooms that can still be seen today at Ausch-
                  witz and Birkenau and that he dares to christen “homicidal gas chambers,” the
                  dangers of using Zyklon B, the daunting difficulties in evacuating gas, the
                  lack of any space to store the bodies of the gassed awaiting incineration, the
                  total absence of places to receive, store and incinerate the corpses of those
                  who died of natural causes (since the crematories intended for that purpose
                  had, we are told, been transformed into chemical slaughterhouses reserved for
                  the reception, gassing and incineration of the Jews), the impossibility for the
                  crematory ovens to burn so many corpses. His method of setting forth his case
                  also involves dissembling and cheating, especially in the use both of documents and of sources and references.
                  The result of his work is wretched. The single bit of somewhat interesting
                  information that may be drawn from this book is that, according to Pressac,
                  the tally of (Jews) gassed at Auschwitz and at Birkenau was 630,000 and the
                  tally of dead (from 1940 to 1945) was 775,000, a figure rounded up to
                  800,000. This information is also devoid of any scientific value since nothing
                  is shown to support it. It only attests to the necessity of effecting a cut in the
                  usual estimations, a cut that is doubtless a prelude to further reductions of the
                  same type in a relatively near future.72
                  Of the 80,000 items in the archives in Moscow that were consulted or that
                  could be consulted, Pressac has really used only one: an insignificant business
                  letter about gas detectors (Gasprüfer). I have reasons to believe that he has
                  passed over in silence the existence of items altogether favorable to the revi-
                  sionist case; in particular, I think that he discovered in those archives some de-
                  tailed plans of the Leichenkeller or morgues of crematories II and III, as well
                  as some detailed plans of the rooms in crematories IV and V that he has christened “homicidal gas chambers.” The Germans were never happy with mere
                  general plans: the extraordinarily precise and detailed drawings of the Lei-
                  chenkeller at Sachsenhausen that I personally discovered in 1986 attest to
                  that.
                  At Auschwitz, we are told, the Germans committed a crime of gigantic
                  proportions. A forensic study of the weapon that they allegedly used to perperate such an outrage is therefore indispensable. Today forensic studies are
                  carried out on remains that are thousands of years old. That being the case,
                  why not make such a study of buildings or remains that are only half a century
                  old? If crematory I had to be considered, as we are told, “partly recon-
                  structed,” how would that hinder a forensic study, were it only to determine
                  precisely which parts were original and which were reconstructed?74 As for
                  the alleged “gas chamber” of crematory II, it is, under its collapsed roof, just
                  about fully preserved – a godsend for the experts. Instead of making a forensic
                  study of some hair, some metal objects and mortar, as was done after the
                  war,75 why not demand a forensic study of this place?
                  In publishing Les Crématoires d’Auschwitz, the authorities at the CNRS
                  have put their backs to the wall. The book’s introduction promotes a “histori-
                  cal reconstruction finally free of the oral or written testimonies which are al-
                  ways liable to error and, in addition, are shrinking in number with the passage
                  of time.” The time has come to put this idea into action. If those authorities
                  believe that they must reject all forensic work of specialists and independent
                  laboratories which, since 1988, have come to uphold the revisionist thesis and
                  if, moreover, they have reasons, which they refuse to make public, to keep secret the results of the counter-study carried out in 1990 by the institute of
                  criminology at Krakow at the request of the Museum of Auschwitz, there re-
                  mains for them the solution of undertaking their own forensic study, or of entrusting an international commission of experts with that task.
                  The greatest crime in history cannot continue to go unanalyzed scientifi-
                  cally: a thoroughly public study is needed. The judges of Nuremberg coolly
                  saved themselves the bother of conducting one, as have a good many others
                  since, particularly those of the so-called “guards of Auschwitz trial” (Frank-
                  furt, December 20, 1963 – August 20, 1965); during their two investigatory
                  visits to Auschwitz, those German judges did not even subject the presumed
                  crime weapon to scrutiny. That absence of curiosity was deliberate, as was the
                  decision to prohibit the revisionist Paul Rassinier from attending the trial.
                  Of course, it is easy to see what the legend that has developed around the
                  name of Auschwitz would lose from such a study, but there is no doubt that
                  science, history and justice would gain.
                  Here as elsewhere, the revisionists have opened the way; it would be
                  enough to imitate them and set to work, seriously

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 12:40 pm

                • Also quick note when I say the following.

                  “Pressac was aware of this…. But is Mattongo ignoring the cremation pits? Anon also did the math on this as for if the gas chambers ran every day. He got a cremation rate of 2,926,536 bodies total….”

                  I mean if they ran 24/7

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 12:51 pm

                • Here are some more photos from a guys trip in 2012.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 1:00 pm

                • Did they go to the Reinhard Camps or Chelmno?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 1:03 pm

                • Auschwitz, bones can be found on all the sites from what I am aware. I plan to make a trip to Maly Trostenets and search around for bones.

                  Van Pelt said the following about Auschwitz.

                  “Crematorium II is the most lethal building of Auschwitz. In the 2500 square feet of this one room, more people lost their lives than any other place on this planet. 500,000 people were killed. If you would draw a map of human suffering, if you created a geography of atrocity, this would be the absolute center. *Every year, remains of human beings are found. Bones, teeth. The earth doesn’t rest.*”

                  The portion that is starred is very important. I also posted another image further down as well.

                  This one is from Yad Vashem above.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 1:07 pm

                • News outlets are all liberal run. They don’t care about the truth. They’ve done nothing but carry Barry’s water the whole time he’s been in office. They write the stories how,”they want them written”. Responsible journalism is extinct anymore

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 7:00 am

                • Jews ain’t totally innocent when it comes to murder. I’ll bring up Earl Krugel and his boyfriend Irv Ruben. They tried to bomb a mosque in Culver City. They were supposed to be such bad asses with the JDL. How many innocent women and children would’ve died when that mosque was packed? Culver City sits in the middle of L A . I’m sure that church has a pretty big congregation . They cry about mass murder,but it’s okay for them to do it. Far as I’m concerned,those 2 Jew boys,weren’t nothing but scared little girls. They ain’t no better than “Dynamite Bob” from the Klan. He was the one that murdered those 4 little black girls back in ’64,when he bombed that church in Birmingham .

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 6:55 am

                • I’m well aware that he spent 10,000 dollars of his grandmothers inheritance to chance a 90 year old across country. He admitted that he dragged Elie Wiesel out from the elevator somewhere around 12 to 16 feet, then he says that Elie pretended to have a heart attack and that he left… Long story short he wanted an interview and Wiesel agreed to a public meeting and Hunt didn’t want that. Wiesel claimed he was grabbed and dragged out, screamed for help and that hunt left him go after that.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 8:35 pm

                • I have to admit, Eric Hunt is better off making his crappy videos than attacking elderly gentleman in elavators.
                  The funny about Hunt, having a mental issue in Nazi Germany would have gotten him sterilized or gassed. So, his heroes would have neutered or offed him.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 8:25 pm

                • In all likelihood he faked his “bipolar disorder” cause he pleaded in court that he believed the holocaust happened.

                  “He said Hunt was in a delusional state caused by bipolar disorder when he followed Wiesel across the country, an expedition financed by a $10,000 inheritance from his grandmother.

                  After the verdict, Runfola expressed relief and said his client has been unjustly treated as a hate monger when he was really mentally ill.

                  “He’s recovered. It’s over – he’s a meek soul,” Runfola said outside court. “He’s not a Holocaust denier,” he said, adding that he would never have defended him under such circumstances.”

                  http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jury-convicts-man-in-attack-on-Elie-Wiesel-3276032.php

                  Cured is a very poor word in this matter.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 8:31 pm

                • Whatever Eric Hunts problems are thoseare his problems I’m really not too concerned about them I just know I like his videos.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 8:38 pm

                • Anon has explained to you that Eric is a lier… Right?

                  Regardless his lies in court reflect more then you would expect. The fraud claimed to be Bipolar to shorten his sentence. His opposition should have pushed for a medical test but they never did. This would mean his medical issue has returned as well since he’s gone back to the revisionist…

                  Also his lack of knowledge of Lidar shows as well. He expects it to act like a Ground Penetrating Radar! This hurts his claims against Colls the worst. As well the grave yard which she was digging in was actually an execution site in Treblinka.

                  Irving even says it was. That monument he also mentions but never shows was the location of an execution wall. That is if I remember correctly. It’s been a while since I have been to Treblinka.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 8:46 pm

                • Jimbo, September 1860 (somewhere around there). Close to 300 blacks were murdered in Opelousas,Louisiana . They just wanted to register to vote. I’m sure you can figure out it was the Klans handy work. Ask your new pal if their murders mattered or since they weren’t Jewish,they don’t count. Ah hell,they probably don’t count. Jews are the biggest racists around ( they’d probably shock the shit outta the Mississippi White Knights).

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 3:46 pm

                • Jews were very active in the civil rights movement.

                  One of the civil rights workers that died in the “Mississippi Burning” case was Jewish.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schwerner

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 4:26 pm

                • Jeff that has to be the stupidest comment I’ve ever heard you make. The Jews run the Civil Rights movement always have will always will.
                  This is why the Jews have to continue with their Holohoax it’s all part of the scam bringing in hate crime laws, the gays and everything related to the Sodomite lifestyle. The Jews want to make it against the law to criticize them the HoloHoax, blacks, illegal immigrants, lbgt you name it they only use these other people to bolster up there cause with numbers.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 5:17 pm

                • “Jeff that has to be the stupidest comment I’ve ever heard you make.”

                  Really? I can’t decide what the stupidest thing you’ve ever said, Jim.

                  Bug spray? 6 million Jews sent to Poland? The US declared war on Germany when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor?
                  I can’t decide.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 6:54 pm

                • Stupid me……….
                  On December 11, 1941, the United States Congress declared war upon Germany (Pub.L. 77–331, Sess. 1, ch. 564, 55 Stat. 796), hours after Germany declared war on the United States following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 7:00 pm

                • So, did you think the US declared war first? Or Germany?

                  Jim, you made it sound like the US declared war AT THE SAME TIME they decalred war on the Japanese.

                  http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-united-states-declares-war-on-japan

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 7:14 pm

                • Who gives a shit who started what. Nothing good ever comes out of a war. Destroys families and good people die. I’ll be the first to admit the stupidest thing I ever did was to kick and scream till I got infantry and was sent to Nam. I thought I was billy badass after jungle warfare school. Found out real quick,it’s a lot different when you got someone shooting at you because they hate you with such a passion. Now my dumbass is responsible for the ghosts of 3 dead dinks. I know I killed 3 for sure. I can’t speak about the rest. I see these kids watching movies about us fighting the rag heads. Awesome and cool are a few of the words that they say. True the other side wants you dead,but if your finger and aim is better than his,then you still gotta live with the fact you just took another mans life. I hope that’s something none of these kids have to ever go through. Guess I should’ve listened to the ol man when he told me to get an MOS that didn’t revolve around having to kill people.

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 1:41 pm

                • I still like the part in Animal House where Belushi said,”was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?” All the talk of who called who out first,reminded me of that part in the movie.

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 1:25 pm

                • I know schwermer (spell check there) was a Jew . I thought his fellow Yankee buddy was one too. Once again,don’t misunderstand me. The blacks are entitled to every right,the white boys have . They came down from NYC. They recruit a local black man to help them. Now if no one ended up murdered,did those 2 stop to consider,that black man still had to live there after they went back home to NYC? I’m sorry,but using a local person seems wreckless to me. That man would’ve been at the mercy of the Klan. Like I said,the blacks have every right to vote,but they should’ve did a bit more research,before they went to Mississippi . The Klan don’t like outsiders coming into their state. That’s where they screwed up at. They didn’t give a shit who these were. They came into the Klans beloved Mississippi and started ruffling feathers. Philadelphia is the only way that was gonna end. Like the saying goes ,”the road to hell is paved with good intentions”

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 5:56 pm

                • Maly Trostenets is another one of these alleged “death camps” where the number of victims have been drastically reduced over the years from over 450,000 in the late-1940’s to about 50,000 today. The camp stood several kilometres to the south-east of Minsk in the occupied Soviet Union, and it is claimed that many victims were put to death in the absurd “gas vans” that were allegedly used at Chelmno as well.

                  But it is notable that practically all these “extermination” camps and sites are located either near busy railway lines, or main trunk roads. Often, they are situated right at the edge of major built-up areas. This can’t be right, if the Nazis were carrying out a secret program of mass murder, they would do this sort of activity in highly secure, remote locations in the vast forests and swamps that are found all over that region.

                  But the drastic reduction of these huge totals in the numbers of victims is in itself sufficient reason for people to question the official holocaust story. What is required now is a re-investigation of what happened during those terrible years. And if it is proved that the holocaust narrative is wrong then a serious revision has to take place.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 15, 2016 @ 2:06 pm

                • A serious revision you want to take place….don’t hold your breath…..
                  Time to do your own research…The archive site isn’t working right now…..hmmm…wonder why?
                  Try this one….
                  http://codoh.com/library/series/1187/

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 2:10 pm

                • You know,I’m trying hard to see both sides here,but they keep changing the damn numbers up. Wether this place was a gas house or not. Wether this 91 year old RTO is guilty for operating a radio at the camp. I can’t really take any of their claims into consideration,because they can’t make up their mind about the numbers. The hell with the damned sacred “6 million” number. I’ve been reading this site for about 2 years. In that time I’ve heard the number go from 6 million down to 1.5 million. WW2 ended 70 some odd years ago. All that time they can’t nail down a number and quit playing this shell game of theirs. I’ve not seen death tolls change in WW1 or WW2,like they do with this subject. I don’t blame people for questioning this topic. The survivors memories are sharp as hell. Everyone of them can testify. Then why is nobody can recall exact numbers?

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 4:05 pm

                • The Number of dead really depends on who you ask… Also estimating death records for it, is pretty much impossible. No camp records = an unknown number of people ending up in the camp.

                  Regardless the Arlt Report proves it well enough.

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/topic/1632/The-Reports-of-SS-Unterscharf-hrer-Arlt#.V2HsHzXrffY

                  Death camp or not, its exactly like Treblinka 2…. There is no arguing if liquidation happened in the camp. There is also no survivors whom claim to be from this camp, as well the soviets dig of the site is more then enough to prove liquidation happened. This is more then enough for me to say that the site was an area of murder.

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/topic/1860/Maly-Trostinets-and-other-extermination-sites-in-Belorussia#.V2HruTXrffZ

                  Also perhaps someone should explain to Mattongo the Stoop report mentions that Treblinka was a place of extermination.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 5:04 pm

                • “But it is notable that practically all these “extermination” camps and sites are located either near busy railway lines, or main trunk roads. Often, they are situated right at the edge of major built-up areas. This can’t be right, if the Nazis were carrying out a secret program of mass murder, they would do this sort of activity in highly secure, remote locations in the vast forests and swamps that are found all over that region.”

                  Unless it was a convenient place to bring everyone together for selection and execution.

                  “But the drastic reduction of these huge totals in the numbers of victims is in itself sufficient reason for people to question the official holocaust story. What is required now is a re-investigation of what happened during those terrible years. And if it is proved that the holocaust narrative is wrong then a serious revision has to take place.”

                  History is constantly under revision. Not the crappy “revision” that deniers vomit out but real revision.
                  The Soviets exaggerated the numbers, real historians and researchers come back and correct.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 7:28 pm

                • History is constantly under revision. Not the crappy “revision” that deniers vomit out but real revision.
                  The Soviets exaggerated the numbers, real historians and researchers come back and correct.

                  You mean the revisionist correct things you Holohucksters screwed up.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 7:32 pm

                • No serious historian or researcher takes deniers seriously, Jim.
                  I do see deniers whining in their books about some author not considering “revisionist” research.
                  It’s a joke.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 8:20 pm

                • Jeff quotes the following from the Polish Report of October 1945;-

                  “……These mass graves were discovered after the war in section 163 of the Ró ż nowo Forest under the administration of the Oborniki Forest Inspectorate. ”

                  Well, if that is what the report claims, then it is only right and proper that we ask Jeff and the many other holocaust proponents whether these mass graves have been thoroughly forensically examined at any time over the last 70 years. Were these burial sites carefully demarcated, and do they still exist today. If they do, would they kindly tell us the exact locations and the dimensions of these mass graves. If they don’t exist in the year 2016, will they tell us when and why the mass graves were dismantled, who authorised the operation, and who carried out the actual work . Lastly, we have to ask, if they were dug up or removed, then where were these human remains transferred to.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 15, 2016 @ 4:54 pm

                • Here you go, Talbot:

                  Edmund Chró ś cielewski, Wiesław Celi ń ski, ‘Pseudoeutanazja w “Kraju Warty” podczas okupacji hitlerowskiej’, Hereafter cited as Przegl ą d Lekarski 25/1 (1969): 45. 24. Zdzisław Jaroszewski, ed., Zagłada chorych

                  That is the original report cited under the footnote.

                  How’s your Polish?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 7:48 pm

                • @Talbot

                  word of advice, stop speaking out of your ass and prove they are not there. Go buy a GPR and servery every single site.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 5:09 pm

                • No, Click, it is incumbent upon you and the holocaust proponents to provide convincing evidence to us that these mass graves ever existed in the first place.

                  I suspect not – but will hold my breath and wait patiently for some compelling proof that they did.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 15, 2016 @ 5:20 pm

                • The Soviets have proved plenty of times Talbot

                  http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/en-us/search.html#q=Maly%20Trostenets

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 6:07 pm

                • Soviets (actually that word went out the window,the wall in Berlin came down). Ha,Ha,Ha! I wouldn’t trust a ruskie no further that I could throw a bull by the tail. They’ll smile in your face,while they slit your throat

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 6:35 pm

                • Well time first I have only used Idiot twice, and only at Joe… Regardless of how much it attacks his argument’s ‘strength’ (if there really is any) it doesn’t change the simple fact that the US didn’t declare war on germany first, it was the other way around. Jim even admitted to it.

                  Also I would Direct you to HC as for when it comes to Maly Trostenets if you are not willing to take their digs into value.

                  As for the word going out the window… I will leave that to your own humor. I have both Holodomor and Holocaust deniers in my town… They are both radical for both left and right…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 6:44 pm

                • As far as the ruskies go, I wouldn’t buy anything negative or positive they’d say about the holo. I can’t say with a 100% certainty what the ruskies were thinking (the mind of a ruskie,is one place I would rather not go),when the nazis were put on trial. I don’t think the ruskies gave to shits as to wether the holo happened or not. They just wanted payback,because Uncle Adolph wouldn’t play their little games. I’ll tell you what I tell other folks here. I’m just trying to figure out what’s going on with this period in world history. Sometime I believe what the people who are for the holo say,sometimes I don’t . Sometimes I accept what the folks who say the holo never happened,sometimes I don’t . I’m still trying to figure out why no one ever called Papa Joe (Stalin) down on his murder machine that he had going. That SOB just kept up a good front during the war to make people think he was a pal of ours. Those bastards locked up one General Doolittles bomber crews,because they had to land on Russian soil when their B25 ran out of fuel on their way back from bombing Japan . There’s so much more shit about the ruskies to make me wish they’d just go extinct . Their back stabbing attitude is all the reason I need to not trust them.

                  Comment by Tim — June 15, 2016 @ 9:49 pm

                • You know Garf is living among them? He seems to trust them, or at least this is his last camp out spot.

                  And I’ll tell you Tim what I’m doing here, I hate it when people like Jim try to play historian. You have shown to be alright, but Jims proven to be a failed chemistry student.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 9:53 pm

                • Who the shit is Garf?

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 1:21 pm

                • Hmmm I may have spelled his last name wrong, Let me check.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 1:31 pm

                • I’m just wanting to know this persons claim to fame

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 2:02 pm

                • There is only 5 known names from Maly Trostenets. He is one of the 3 which are known to have died at the camp or on route. The other 2 are disputed or just assumptions.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 2:05 pm

                • I’ll admit. I’m lost here. I’m gonna deduce you’re speaking of the survivors. I’m not sure. That’s the first time I’ve ever heard the names

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 2:09 pm

                • Tim, you asked earlier who “Graf” is.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCrgen_Graf

                  He is denier “scholar” who with his buddy Mattogono distort historical evidence to further their denier agenda.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 2:22 pm

                • Tim don’t fall for this Holohuckster that is posting here that’s all they are still trying to take up your time to maybe sway you to the HoloHoax scam. Mottogno and Grab have to be probably the most expert people out there writing against the Holohucksters. Of course the Jew inspired shills here are going to post negatively about them here because of the fact they don’t want you to read their writings I’m reading the books right now and they’re superb they expose all the other HoloHoax books showing the lies. You have to understand these men have put their lives in Jeopardy because of this topic why would they do that you don’t do things like that unless you have a point to make and you don’t care what happens.
                  I do know you’re smart enough to see through what they doing.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 2:53 pm

                • Let me show you something, Jim.

                  http://vho.org/GB/Books/t/13.html

                  This is Mattogono/Graf’s book on Treblinka.

                  This is the document they used to “prove” the existence of “gassed Jews” in the Soviet Union.

                  It appears they cropped this image so that only the bit about the 1000 Jews shows up.

                  The reality is that the document is much longer.

                  https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Vol-XXXII.pdf

                  If you go to page 281 it shows the full text.

                  This is the translation:

                  http://www.historiography-project.com/nca/nca06/3428-PS.php

                  Don’t give me any shit about Holocaust liars, Jim. The authors of that book deliberately distorted a document to lie.

                  I typed two sentences here. My temper got the better of me for a moment, I eased back and deleted them.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 3:09 pm

                • Once again I’m not taking sides here,but either side could forge documents. Another thing,the documents in question are what,70 plus years old. Hell. The type of paper and ink used could be found and used with no problem . If anything was typed,they could you that model typewriter. It’s not hard to weather a document to make it look like it has all those years on it. I’m just saying,someone could use all that to prove or disprove .

                  Comment by Tim — June 19, 2016 @ 10:12 am

                • Tim, if someone like Hilberg or Van Pelt did something like that deniers would scream to high heaven.

                  Deniers talk about “liars.” What about denier liars?

                  I’m taking a little time each day to check other documents. Trust me, I’ll let Jim know when I find other examples.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 19, 2016 @ 10:57 am

                • Jeff you still making mountains out of mole Hills what did Mottogno say and do that upsets the apple cart with the Holohoax nothing….. what does all the Liars who you believe in how do they upset the apple cart a lot…..no comparison,. but you like to make big deals out of stupid issues.
                  Van Pelt and Pressac have lied so much in their books it’s hard to believe more people don’t see it but then again you’re only going to believe what you wanna believe.
                  When the legend becomes fact that you print the legend and that’s exactly what these Holohucksters have done.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 19, 2016 @ 11:05 am

                • “Jeff you still making mountains out of mole Hills what did Mottogno say and do that upsets the apple cart with the Holohoax nothing….”

                  He distorted a historical document to make it correspond to his warped view. He used this to fool the gullible, which is blatantly dishonest.

                  What, no whining about denier lying, Jim?

                  Don’t worry. I’ll let you know when I find something else.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 19, 2016 @ 11:11 am

                • Jeff you have so much against your Viewpoint and lied of your fellow Holohucksters there is a mountain of evidence against you and you complain about one little problem you’re having….. take the rafter out of your own eye before you take the splinter out of someone else’s.
                  Pure Hypocrisy.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 19, 2016 @ 11:20 am

                • “Jeff you have so much against your Viewpoint and lied of your fellow Holohucksters there is a mountain of evidence against you and you complain about one little problem you’re having….. take the rafter out of your own eye before you take the splinter out of someone else’s.
                  Pure Hypocrisy.”

                  It’s nice to see your own hypocrisy, Jim.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 19, 2016 @ 11:41 am

                • You wrote: [Mottogno] “distorted a historical document to make it correspond to his warped view. He used this to fool the gullible, which is blatantly dishonest.”

                  I have written several blog posts about Mottogno:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/carlo-mattogno/

                  As I understand it, Mottogno has been denied sainthood because he made one or two tiny mistakes in his writing. He used one of my photos without giving credit, so I am among the people who believe that he should be denied sainthood. Maybe he didn’t know that he should give credit on photos that he used. I will give him the benefit of doubt.

                  Germar Rudolph also made some foolish mistakes, and he has rightly been denied sainthood. Who among us has not made mistakes?

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 19, 2016 @ 11:30 am

                • “As I understand it, Mottogno has been denied sainthood because he made one or two tiny mistakes in his writing. He used one of my photos without giving credit, so I am among the people who believe that he should be denied sainthood. Maybe he didn’t know that he should give credit on photos that he used. I will give him the benefit of doubt.”

                  Really?
                  He chopped about 98% off a document to prove the existence of “gassed Jews” in the East.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 19, 2016 @ 11:46 am

                • Since there was no Jews gas in homicidal gas Chambers I guess that 98% means absolutely nothing.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 19, 2016 @ 11:53 am

                • You wrote: “He [Mottogno] chopped about 98% off a document to prove the existence of “gassed Jews” in the East.”

                  Do you mean that Mottogno chopped off a document in order to prove the existence of gassed Jews?

                  Or do you mean that there was a document somewhere that proved the existence of gassed Jews, and Mottogno chopped off 98% of the document?

                  Why did Mottogno use the document at all? Was he trying to say that this document was incorrect?

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 19, 2016 @ 1:59 pm

                • You wrote: “He [Mottogno] chopped about 98% off a document to prove the existence of “gassed Jews” in the East.”

                  “Do you mean that Mottogno chopped off a document in order to prove the existence of gassed Jews?”

                  Yes. He used a portion of a document to prove the existence of Jews in the East.

                  “Or do you mean that there was a document somewhere that proved the existence of gassed Jews, and Mottogno chopped off 98% of the document?”

                  No.

                  “Why did Mottogno use the document at all? Was he trying to say that this document was incorrect?”

                  http://www.historiography-project.com/nca/nca06/3428-PS.php

                  Mattogono only used the portion that said 1000 Jews. He ignored everything else.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 19, 2016 @ 3:47 pm

                • You should talk you believe 20,000 people were cremated in Berkinau in one day.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 19, 2016 @ 4:11 pm

                • Okay. I tried to get someone one to give me an answer on this,but everybody is stuck in the rut over t4 gassing and shower heads. So I went off on my own. I’m trying to find an answer as to the AIT (advanced individual training) the nazi soldiers would’ve went through after the graduated boot. I don’t care what anyone says,those fellas would get some kind training before they turned them loose on the gas houses ( for now I’m going with gas houses existed for the sake of argument. However if nobody can produce any training program the soldiers went through to operate the gas houses,then it’s gonna raise an eyebrow. It’s impossible for someone to say they didn’t have training to work at the gas houses if they did in fact exist). Well I found absolutely nothing about nazi soldiers being trained after they graduated boot,to be “certified” to run a gas house. I did find something else though. This is really confusing (not that there’s not enough obfuscation here already). What the hell is a “non homicidal gas chamber? No I ain’t puttin you on. Those words put together make for one of the better contradictions,I’ve seen in a long time( I thought the army had great contradictions). That term was connected to Ravensburk. Better yet,go to this page and tell me what all this crap means. It’s confusing. Ihr.org/ . The subject you’re looking for is “confessions of ss men who were at Auschwitz”. I went looking for one thing and nonhomocidal gas chambers popped up.

                  Comment by Tim — June 21, 2016 @ 4:43 pm

                • Tim first of all the SS did not have anything to do with the internal operations of any of these camps. They were run by the kapos and the people inside the camps themselves so there wouldn’t have been any training process or any of the soldiers because this was not part of the Job description.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 21, 2016 @ 5:03 pm

                • “Tim first of all the SS did not have anything to do with the internal operations of any of these camps. They were run by the kapos and the people inside the camps themselves so there wouldn’t have been any training process or any of the soldiers because this was not part of the Job description.”

                  Jim, where are you getting this information from?

                  You are wrong. The SS ran the camps, the Kapos reported to them.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 21, 2016 @ 6:02 pm

                • Like I said,I’ve only been studying on this for a couple years. As complex as this issue is . Hey when people start picking at something as simple as a showerhead,something’s up. The issue ain’t black and white anymore. Like I said,I’m in the middle here. There’s conflicting information so both sides clash. If everything about the gas huts is true and accurate,why didn’t the soldiers that operated them,get any training. I don’t give a damn who’s military you’re in,you’re gonna get some kind of training for your job. I knew a guy that the yard work at Tan Son Nhut air base. The U S Army,taught him how to do yard work. I made that point to show,no matter how small the job,the military trains you for it. I’m seeing now days,everybody and their mother is getting a case put on them. So why don’t they put a case on the people who taught the soldiers how to run the gas house? Now training a soldier to operate a gas house,don’t prove conclusively,that the holo happened. Now if I was trying to prove it happened,I’d throw that in with the rest of my evidence . Just cause I can’t find anything about the training the GIs received that supposedly ran the gas houses,doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Then again at the same time,I’m asking myself,if all this did happen,why can’t I find out how the GI that ran the gas house was trained. If they didn’t train them, then the nazi war machine ain’t is great as one might think they are. That shit would be irresponsible not to train people how to run the gas huts if they existed

                  Comment by Tim — June 22, 2016 @ 6:47 am

                • Read that page from that website I asked you to go to. I ain’t gonna lie here. Done told everybody,I’ve only been studying on this for a couple years. I’m going by what the article on that website said. The title of the article said,” SS men at Auschwitz” in it. That was pretty clear. Unless somebody else here says different,I’m pretty much gonna look to studying on SS men at the prisons. I don’t care who says what here, if gas houses did exist,the GIs assigned to them are gonna be taught somewhere along the line how to do their job. If they didn’t train them,then that would be irresponsible as hell. The handling and use of something that dangerous,you’re not gonna turn someone loose with the shit,without training them. Now just because I don’t find anything about how the soldiers that ran the gas huts were trained,really don’t mean anything. Now if a person wants me to believe a 100% that everything with this subject happened,then I’m pretty sure there should be something out there. We got exposed to tear gas in basic. They filled up “our” gas chamber. The instructor walked down the line. Each person pull off their mask when he got to them. You gave him your name,rank and serial. They let you go so you could go outside and start puking and crying from the effects of the gas. Yes if the gas houses existed they couldn’t expose the operators to the gas so they could see its effects,but they’d still have to train them

                  Comment by Tim — June 22, 2016 @ 6:08 am

                • Jeff. I told you I listen to both sides here. So I’ll ask you what I asked Jimbo. I went looking for the the AIT the nazi soldiers would “have to” go through in order to operate the gas house. I never found anything like that. I did find something else,that is one of the best contradictions I’ve heard in a long time. I tell you what I told Jimbo. For “the sake of argument,I’m gonna go with the gas houses houses existing. So if gas houses existed,then what the hell is a “non homicidal gas chamber”? You can see why I say it contradicts itself. Go to this page. Ihr.org. Look for the subject,”confessions ions of ss men who were at auschwitz.” It’s in there. Along with a lot of other shit I found confusing as hell. y’all 2 can put the gloves on and slug it out later. For now,y’all help me understand what that shit is their talking about please.

                  Comment by Tim — June 21, 2016 @ 4:54 pm

                • All the gas Chambers in all the camps were fumigation Chambers none of them had anything to do with gassings of people pretty simple.
                  I do find it interesting when people are taken on tours in these camps they are never shown the fumigation Chambers. There are more fumigation Chambers in these camps than anything else so why aren’t they being shown the fumigation Chambers ……reason being because they have to explain why they were there it would cause too much confusion with the people.
                  Think about it…. why would there be so many fumigation Chambers in the camps….. to save people’s lives?

                  Let the whole the Holohucksters explain that one.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 21, 2016 @ 5:10 pm

                • Tim, I don’t know what training the SS personnel went through to handle Zyclon B. However, it was a common pesticide used in the camp system, as well in other places. ZB was used in office buildings, on ships, in orchards, etc.

                  As far as “non-homicidal” gas chambers, Auschwitz (and other concentration camps) used delousing buildings to kill the lice on clothing.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 21, 2016 @ 6:00 pm

                • Zyklon-b was used for fumigation only there was no homicidal purposes with it pretty simple to figure out even Van Pelt said that 98% of the zyklon-b was used for fumigation purposes so go figure that one out.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 21, 2016 @ 6:11 pm

                • “Zyclon-b was used for fumigation only there was no homicidal purposes with it pretty simple to figure out even Van Pelt said that 98% of the zyklon-b was used for fumigation purposes so go figure that one out.”

                  It makes perfect sense what Van Pelt said, it takes less ZB to kill humans than lice.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 21, 2016 @ 6:15 pm

                • Jeff that is pure nonsense you might want to read the leuchter report to find out how zyklon-b works you have really no clue….you’re out of your league on this one.
                  https://archive.org/stream/Holocaust_Handbooks/16_The_Leuchter_Reports_Critical_Edition_3rd_ed#page/n3/mode/2up

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 21, 2016 @ 6:21 pm

                • “Jeff that is pure nonsense you might want to read the leuchter report to find out how zyklon-b works you have really no clue….you’re out of your league on this one.”

                  Leuchter didn’t know how it worked. He never bothered to examine the literature on ZB. He didn’t know it takes less ZB to kill humans than bugs. So, I think he was out of his league.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 21, 2016 @ 7:03 pm

                • Jeff……. time to educate yourself…..you are so wrong in your comment about Less ZB to kill humans….it’s just the opposite.
                  Especially in the time span the HoloHuxsters said it happened in….Ten to fifteen minutes…..LOL
                  You would need a massive massive dose as ZB as it releases only 10% out gassing in an hour. Ten % wasn’t enough to kill people.
                  ZB was also very expensive, another point was the timing I doubt the Germans had all day to wait for it to come up to full 100% release.
                  Which would make a gassing an all day event. I Don’t think you could kill tens of thousands per day on a schedule like that.

                  JR

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AZyklon_B%2FArchive_1?redirect=no

                  Leuchter did goof in several (few,maybe 1 or 2)details. However, his method was scientific. Remember those Cracow guys – similar method. Zyklon is very poisonous, but very slow release ( under Polish conditions particularly ). Leuchter should have written more concisely – ie if you want to kill x hundreds of people in a cool cellar in y minutes you would need z amount at the outgassing rate of Zyklon B used in the 1940s. The amount used to kill lice might have killed a human eventually – hours, if not days later. But to get enough to kill humans ( in minutes ) would require a massive dose – the columns connected to the holes that don’t seem to be around anymore are way,way,way too small. The quantity of Zyklon needed would require that the columns be the gas chamber and the gas chamber be the column. Leuchter is not an out of the box thinker it appears so he stumbled into logical thinking, but still several other researhers seem to have arrived at his same conclusion – except of course the Cracow group. They seemed to think that Prussian blue on the outside of gaschambers ( for lice – why did they give up that piece, why not have the place with lots of Prussian blue be the “real” gas chamber ( obviously Leuchter isn’t the only one who doesn’t think outside the box) was from mattresses leaning on the outside wall). These guys – Cracow – seem to have some chance but they decided not to test the blue stuff – don’t send your kids to Poland to take chemistry is the moral to this story.159.105.80.63 18:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 21, 2016 @ 7:32 pm

                • “Jeff……. time to educate yourself…..you are so wrong in your comment about Less ZB to kill humans….it’s just the opposite.”

                  No, Jim, it’s the opposite. 300 PPM is lethal enough to kill in 30 minutes. Even 1/2 that amount is fatal, it just takes longer to kill.
                  Insects take more, 16,000 PPM with a much longer exposure time. That’s due to their slower metabolism and primitive breathing apparatus. Also, clothes are exposed for longer periods of time to kill eggs.

                  “Especially in the time span the HoloHuxsters said it happened in….Ten to fifteen minutes…..LOL”

                  Jim, if 300 PPM fatal in 30 minutes a higher concentration would kill quicker.

                  “You would need a massive massive dose as ZB as it releases only 10% out gassing in an hour. Ten % wasn’t enough to kill people.”

                  Proof?

                  “ZB was also very expensive, another point was the timing I doubt the Germans had all day to wait for it to come up to full 100% release.
                  Which would make a gassing an all day event. I Don’t think you could kill tens of thousands per day on a schedule like that.”

                  Jim, as I’ve stated repeatedly it was a common pesticide. The Germans used it to disinfect all of their camps, not just Birkenau.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 21, 2016 @ 9:17 pm

                • That’s my point I’m trying to make. Look at all the shit you just said. OJT ain’t gonna cut it here. You’re gonna have to train someone to operate the gas houses. The people that operated them,are gonna have to have fairly decent amount of knowledge. So if everything here did happen,why can’t I find anything about this particular topic on the subject

                  Comment by tim — June 22, 2016 @ 7:36 am

                • There is a big difference between mistakes and blatant outright lies and I don’t think the revisionist are guilty of blatant lies… we might make mistakes with some of the things we say but we’re not outright lying about something that didn’t happen.
                  Since jeff has so little to go on to take revisions to task he has to grab the smallest and Littlest of things to do it. Actually non issues…
                  I guess he has no problem with all his HoloHoax experts saying that in Berkinau 20,000 people were created a day….. hard to believe they can even say this…..complete nonsense, but Jeff and his Holohucksters friends believe this type of nonsense.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 19, 2016 @ 11:51 am

                • Not a mistake.

                  A lie.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 19, 2016 @ 11:57 am

                • A lie….LOL….. and that’s coming from somebody who believes 20000 people cremated in a day in birkenau. Talk about calling the kettle black.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 19, 2016 @ 12:02 pm

                • Kinda sounds like the first 90 day wonder I served. His lackey (ass kisser) would f–k up and think he could sneak lies past us. I bitch to the CO. He’d say,”he didn’t lie. He made a mistake”. Yeah we’re talking about two different subjects here. It’s just that’s what I was reminded of after reading this

                  Comment by Tim — June 20, 2016 @ 8:50 am

                • Like I said, I’m taking from both sides here ,trying to reach a logical conclusion. The events that either side talk about,make it almost impossible. I try to use the old Issac Asimov ( that should show I don’t discount Jews since Asimov was a Russian Jew) quote. “Facts do not cease to exist just because they get ignored”(that may not be verbatim). Both sides seem to say to the other side that some of their facts ( not all of them) can be ignored,because they have no foundation. That’s just how I work through some of this material. I’ve also said the question with Jews is as old as time itself. To understand some of this shit,I find myself having to go way back in time. I mean people didn’t just wake up one day and say,”f–k the Jews . I hate em all”. It’s demonstrable this shit started somewhere. Myself,Ill drop this problem at Gods doorstep.Thanks for saying they’re the chosen ones. Ya gotta admit,if God says your his favorite,you’re gonna be walking around like the rooster that rules the roost.Far as I’m concerned,the question with Jews ain’t gonna have a clear answer. WW2,Civil War and women’s rights movement,are all pretty easy to figure out. This shit spans over thousands of years.

                  Comment by Tim — June 19, 2016 @ 12:13 pm

                • You wrote: “the question with Jews is as old as time itself. To understand some of this shit,I find myself having to go way back in time. I mean people didn’t just wake up one day and say,”f–k the Jews . I hate em all”. It’s demonstrable this shit started somewhere.”

                  I have a page on my scrapbookpages.com website about the Jews who were killed in the year 1298.

                  This was not the first time that Jews had been killed. The killing of the Jews goes way back. I wrote about it on this page of my website:
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Rothenburg/Tour/JewishMemorial.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 19, 2016 @ 1:48 pm

                • That’s the kinda stuff I was referring to. You mentioned folks have hated Jews,pretty much as long as man has been on the planet. You mentioned the Jews and Romams squared off. I looked that up. The Romans weren’t saints,but if history is correct,the Romans bent over backwards for the Jews .if folks want to get down to brass tacks,Jews gassed or not,is just another piece of the puzzle. I want to know who drew first blood. For that I’ve got to go way back in time . Wether the holo occurred or not,I can’t say. I don’t know all the facts. Hell. Hitler and the Reich may have been in the wrong place,at the wrong time. I can’t say. Let’s not forget there was a world war going on at the time. Everyone’s going on about the Jews . We were trying to keep the world from slipping into total madness. My war was in a very limited area. Life went on everywhere else. Even with that said I learned real quick,”truth is the first casualty in war”. I heard someone say that one time. It describes war perfectly. I’ll listen to what all these so called “experts” have to say on either side,but I refuse to take it as the holy gospel till I research it myself. If people can’t handle that,f–k em if they can’t take a joke. I refuse to follow the crowd

                  Comment by Tim — June 19, 2016 @ 4:36 pm

                • There are no known survivors of the camp. There were people who ran from the camp before they were killed but this is all.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 2:46 pm

                • Miss Click. I ain’t gonna lie. I may have been talking about child survivors. Kinda like Wolfman ( he hasn’t been here for sometime. Hope he’s okay). FG said he’s a special child survivor( something like that).

                  Comment by Tim — June 19, 2016 @ 10:04 am

                • In keeping with the stated policy at the Wannsee Conference, on January 20, 1942, Hitler’s plan was to evacuate all the Jews to the east. Eight thousand were sent from Theresienstadt to Treblinka and 1,000 to Sobibor, two death camps that were right on the border between German occupied Poland and the Soviet Union.

                  Another 1,000 were transported from the Theresienstadt ghetto to a concentration camp near the village of Maly Trostenets, just outside of Minsk in what is now Belarus, better known to Americans as White Russia. Two thousand Jews from the ghetto were sent to Zamosc, 3,000 to Izbica and 3,000 to Lublin, all of which were cities near the eastern border of occupied Poland.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 3:20 pm

                • That is an interesting Idea Scrap… but there are Major Flaws. Hoess’s memoir states the following

                  “Even in the beginning there were Jews in the concentration camps. I knew them very well from my time in Dachau. However, in those days Jews still had the opportunity to leave Germany and go to anywhere in the world that gave them permission to enter. Their stay in the camp was only a question of time or money, and having connections in a foreign country. Many got the necessary visas together within a few weeks and were freed. Only Jews who had violated racial laws, or who were very politically active during the Weimar Republic, had to remain in the camp. Those who had hopes of leaving the country had only one thought: that their life in the concentration camp would pass as smoothly as possible. They worked as hard as they could, even though most of them were totally unaccustomed to hard physical labor. They kept as quiet as possible and fulfilled their duties with quiet willingness.”

                  It was Hitlers plan early on… but no one is willing to leave like that. As for your on Treblinka, being a station of transit. Perhaps you should then read the Stoop report. Mattogno and Graf say the stoop report is real. And it states the following about cleansing a ghetto.

                  “I will try to get a train to T II for tomorrow, otherwise the liquidation will be carried out tomorrow.”

                  Does this not stand out to you Scrap? As well such small transports on record, what exactly do they prove? This doesn’t explain away any documentation I have mentioned.

                  Arlt lays your point to rest saying the following.

                  “On 11.5 a transport with Jews (1000 units) from Vienna arrived in Minsk and was immediately taken from the railway station to the abovementioned pit. For this purpose the Zug was deployed directly at the pit.

                  On 13.5, 8 men supervised the digging of another pit, as in the near future [in nächster Zeit] there will once again arrive here a transport with Jews from the Reich.

                  …….

                  On 17.7 a transport of Jews arrived and was brought to the estate.

                  On 21, 22 and 23.7 new pits were excavated.

                  Already on 24.7 another transport with 1000 Jews from the Reich arrived here.

                  From 25.7 to 27.7 new pits were excavated.

                  On 28.7 large operation in the Russian. Ghetto of Minsk. 6,000 Jews were brought to the pits.

                  On 29.7 3000 German Jews were brought to the pits.”

                  This one stands out the most 3000 German Jews “Brought to the pits”… What pits would be in an area of resettlement? Well Scrap? Are these mud pits? Is this the name for an “estate” of some kind? No…. Its exactly what the photographs tell us.

                  They Tell us people died here… They show an attempt to remove the evidence as well.

                  Now tell me… Should I continue? There is still a lot more of what can be said. I have hardly touched anything from the Arlt reports.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 3:49 pm

                • WOW! You must of got an A+ in your forensic college class……Not many people can look at pictures of dead bodies and identify them as Jews.
                  Now maybe you can tell us how they died? Interesting how pictures can tell you all that stuff.
                  I’m amazed…..you should get job on one of those CIS TV programs.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 3:55 pm

                • Never Identified them as Jews Jim…This is the voices in your head, I only identified the photos as being from the soviets digs. Exactly why I have called you an I.D.O.I.T.

                  Also this is missing completely the document quotes that I have provided as well….

                  “Now maybe you can tell us how they died? ”

                  If your not aware of the actions at Maly Trostenets, from what is known, majority of them were shot by a gun. The other known method for the camp was Gas vans.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 4:03 pm

                • Shot by gun that should be easy to prove ok mr forensics prove it.
                  Dead body should have a bullet hole in them somewhere.
                  Gas vans…. don’t make me laugh…..that goes the way of electrocution by floors. How about conveyor belt right into the fire, geyers of blood, ….So many stories so little time.
                  Oh, by the way you ever notice how there are hardly ANY stories by Non Jews…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 4:15 pm

                • “Shot by gun that should be easy to prove ok mr forensics prove it.”

                  Did I claim to have “Forensic” Evidence? No gave Photographic. That is a forum of evidence.

                  Also Its kind of hard to show a bullet hole in a body which has ether been cremated or deteriorated. I’m actually not aware of any shown up close pictures of a bullet hole though. This doesn’t explain away the Arlt report though which speak of mass shootings in the camps…

                  As for the Gas vans I have provided a document already that puts your argument to shame. It doesn’t and you know it doesn’t. You would need to prove Martin Gilbert wrong.

                  “On August 4 (1942) a train with a thousand Jews left Theresienstadt. Six days later it reached Maly Trostenets, where it stopped in open country. Forty ‘experts’ had already been taken off the train at Minsk. The remaining 960 deportees were ordered out of the train and into vans for the next stage of their journey, and driven off towards the forest. The vans were gas vans; once they reached the forest the doors were unlocked and the bodies of the deportees were thrown into open graves.”

                  And so far his PhD is looking better then your anti-immigration website.

                  “So many stories so little time.
                  Oh, by the way you ever notice how there are hardly ANY stories by Non Jews…..
                  JR”

                  Learn about the Roma.

                  Also, just as a “by the way” this is cause generally other groups were not killed in the death camps. If you survived auschwitz generally you will sell more. Less known camps won’t get you very far…. If you need non Jews to tell you such then turn to the Poles of Majdanek.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 4:46 pm

                • You mentioned the Jews had the option to leave Germany . I heard a lot tried to,but were turned away at ports in other countries. We (USA) heard about was going on. Churchill and the UK kNnew . With that being said,has anyone ever called down the countries that refused the Jews ? Has anyone ever said if these countries would’ve taken those Jews ,history might’ve had a different story to tell when it came to this subject. The old adage,”if you’re not part of the solution,you’re part of the problem ” seems to be of use here. These countries could’ve taken the Jews as part of the solution,but they chose not to. So from where I stand,it makes them part of the problem.

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 5:25 pm

                • As far as I understand the British with the ones that put a squash to the transfer agreement because it didn’t want the Jews going to Palestine because obviously there were in control of the area so Germany wanted them out of Germany and had a place to send them but Britain spoiled the whole plan. Seems to me the British didn’t like the Jews.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 17, 2016 @ 5:29 pm

                • They had some choice in the matter but most nations wouldn’t take them. The one nation that had its borders completely open was the Dominican Republic.

                  Also mind that it was in Germany alone. This doesn’t mean the Jews of the USSR had a choice.

                  Most nations are forgiven for not taking Jews in as they didn’t know what was to come. Though the USA and the U.K. Are criticized for not bombing Auschwtizs gas chambers. This can be seen in History channels documentary “Auschwtiz: air photo evidence”

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 5:34 pm

                • “This can be seen in History channels documentary “Auschwtiz: air photo evidence””

                  That’s one I haven’t heard about.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 8:19 pm

                • THHP had it on their website if you click under videos. The DH YouTube channel also has it. Its kind of one of them documentaries that acts like the things they are showing is new, but in reality one can quite easily see the air-photographs shown in some post war propaganda footage.

                  I’m sure you have seen it, but the name that I put doesn’t sound familiar.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 8:25 pm

                • Thank you for the video. I have it cued up, I’ll watch it tomorrow.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 8:50 pm

                • No problem

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 8:50 pm

                • You wrote: “No problem”

                  No one knows what you mean. You must quote what the other person said. With no quote, the reader must look up what Jeff wrote. I spend an enormous amount of time reading all the comments to see if everything is COPACETIC.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 18, 2016 @ 7:43 am

                • “You wrote: “No problem”
                  No one knows what you mean. You must quote what the other person said. With no quote, the reader must look up what Jeff wrote. I spend an enormous amount of time reading all the comments to see if everything is COPACETIC.”

                  Alright, thanks for organizing things further. I didn’t exactly think it would be a huge issue though as any replies to Jeff would go below.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 9:20 am

                • You also said the following Scrap.

                  “I watched the video. The narrator keeps referring to Auschwitz, when he means Auschwitz-Birkenau. In the video, the narrator mentions that homosexuals were sent to the gas chamber, along with other categories of prisoners. Gay men were not sent to Auschwitz; they were sent to camps in Germany for six months and then released.”

                  Some gays were sent to Auschwitz be it was in the very small numbers. Kitty Fisher credited a Gay inmate for her survival.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 9:23 am

                • What the shit does “scrap” mean? I’m guessing it’s slang for something that has to do with a statement someone might make

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 9:39 am

                • “What the shit does “scrap” mean? I’m guessing it’s slang for something that has to do with a statement someone might make”

                  Read the name of the blog, its just a shortened version cause typing out “Furtherglory” every time is not appealing. I have also used the nickname page or pages to respond to her as well. Its not hard to understand tim.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

                • Your from another country. It could very easily be hard to figure out what you mean. Different generations even have different words. I could use “scratch”. You might think I’m referring to an itch. If I say “jack”,I’m not talking about person. Judas H. Go to Louisiana . The coonasses over there use slang,no one has ever heard. That’s provided you can make out the words through their thick,back woods, Cajun ass accent.

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 3:00 pm

                • Also if you refer to “FG” as “scrap”,you’re objectifying her. Besides,why spell out “Further glory”? I’m not the first person to address her as “FG”. FG takes even less time to spell out than scrap

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 3:12 pm

                • “Also if you refer to “FG” as “scrap”,you’re objectifying her.”

                  Um… How? You should be well aware that the name is not intended to degrade her in anyway.

                  “Besides,why spell out “Further glory”? I’m not the first person to address her as “FG”. FG takes even less time to spell out than scrap”

                  I guess so, I was mostly working off the blog and websites name.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 3:22 pm

                • I don’t care if you’re a college boy or not. You spar with me here,you’ll . Yes it’s objective . Scrap refers to just that,an object. It refers to “scrapbook pages”. It’s a “site”. The site amounts to no more than an object when all is said and done. FG is personalized. It refers to “one ” individual. You say you don’t want to spell out “further glory”. Fine. I don’t give a rats ass. Go with FG. It’s not a question of how long it does or doesn’t take to spell a name . You’re at a BBQ ( I’m using that because because we pretty much live for BBQ here in Texas . Goat,hog,I got a great recipe for coon). So you’re at a BBQ. Someone says,”where’s click”. The person responds with,”oh that shit dicks over there”. It may not bother you or the person that said it. Bottom line it’s demeaning and your just another asshole in the crowd ( by that I mean you’re just an object ). When I got locked down,anger management was a mandatory program for me. I talked to the building tender of my block and he said,”since I was relatively short time ( I got 5 yrs.),sign up for as many self provent programs as possible. Early release is guaranteed with over crowding,but it’ll push your date up,by way of the gain time you’ll get”. I kept my shit wired tight so I didn’t lose any. I did 3 yrs on a 5 yr sentence. There were repeat offenders in there for domestic abuse. I’m talking guys that would break the bones of their significant other. They had a program in there for abusive men. I took it. It would look good when pardons and parole reviewed my time. I didn’t think I learned anything,but I had my eyes opened wide. My ex wife divorced me while I was locked down. Can’t say I didn’t expect it. I couldn’t figure out what the big deal was,with me belittling her. She was my wife,my “property “. She couldn’t handle it,well move on. I’ve never physical with a lady. My daddy would beat me within an inch of my life,if ever raised a hand to a woman. I never knew,”verbal abuse” amounted to anything. One time we had a few women come to our group at the prison . They were in abusive relationships. One lady dealt with just verbal abuse with her ex. That’s when I figured out,words can leave bigger scars than physical abuse. I’m not trying to be a dick here . You’re very passionate about the holo subject. I see that from both sides here . Varying degrees. Like I said,I’m just trying to understand all this. I’m not perfect . A lot of times my mouth will overload my fat ass. If people point it out,I try to make the correction. There’s a lady that gets on here sometimes. Miss Diane. She pointed out to me I’m flinging around “Kraut and Nip”. Both racists terms . So I corrected myself. I’m not above anyone. I can admit when I’m wrong. There’s times when I lose it people. All I wanna do it that point is ,educate them ( I’m sure you can figure that out). This ain’t got dick to do with PC either. It just deals with the way one human should treat another. It may not seem like a big deal,that’s fine. You’re a human being. You’re capable of independent thought. I’m not gonna ask why yall get so worked up over this. It’s for the same reason I get worked up over my subject. It’s something we’re very close to. I may have given too much 411 here,but that’s just me. If folks can’t dig where I’m coming from,that’s fine. I tried

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 4:44 pm

                • I was going over what I wrote you and it occurred to me,I owe you an apology. I’m off to a piss poor start with,”leading by example”. I called you “college boy”. All though it was not meant to belittle you,it objectified you. The one thing I was on my soap box about. So I apologize for that one

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 4:48 pm

                • I didn’t push that I was in College… You have. As for it being objective in what way would it be implied? There is no direct insult from it being pulled from the name. Regardless I could also push your use of the word Coon as racist against Blacks. Wasn’t if you who used the word “coonasses”?

                  I also haven’t seen FG complain of my use of “Scrap” as a nickname. She might start as a way to back you up, but I’m not sure. There was no offense intended and the Issue is well over with.

                  Also why apologize? I am in college, and if your not aware of my gender I am a female. It didn’t objectify me in anyway! Your pushing the meaning of a word past its bounds. To objectify is to refer to something in concrete forum. If like what you said when it comes to slang, it can mean something different to someone else, and I’m sure scrap knows that I’m not using the nickname to degrade her in anyway.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 5:04 pm

                • yiy eluded to the fact that I should’ve figured it out ( scrap)by looking at the title of this site. I don’t look at the name of the site . I know where I’m at. I don’t give the title of this site any thought. Further Glory (FG) is how I reference her name. Remember I mentioned we are from 2 different countries . The slang you use over there,is different from ours. Here’s the perfect example. Before you start off that I’m a racist ,you need to ask what I’m referring to. Coon. As in “raccoon”. An animal ? I said,”I’ve got a great recipe for coon”. I’m talking about hog and goat BBQs. Don’t you think if coon pops up ,I might be talking about an animal? That’s what a coon is. Now before you start in with “coon ass”,that’s how “Cajuns”,reference other Cajuns. You might even see Cajuns with a patch that says,”RCA;registered coon ass”. You’re just not from around here. Our slang might mystify you. You’ll misunderstand it . You are a college educated lady. I totally missed who you are. College educated lady. It’s demonstrable why I missed that one. The educated people I know,don’t fling the “f” word around like you did the other day. The other reason. I don’t hear ladies use that kinda language. Before you go off there,I ain’t saying you’re not a lady. It’s just all the ladies I know,don’t fling the F word around,like a sailor on leave. Now clearly when we talk of “objectified”,youre talking semantics. Your definition is by the book. Personally,I don’t give 2 shits what Noah Webster says objectified means. You want to deal with it from the text book definition,right on. More power to you. That’s most certainly your right. I use the word in relation to “human dignity”. For the record ,I’m not racist. My moma grew up in depression era Alabama . The Klan ran that state back then. I spent my teen years growing up in Orlando in the mid to late 60’s. Mickey Mouse hadn’t shown up yet. Orlando was a racist ass town back then. It was not unusual to overhear ,”good ol boys ” saying,” let’s go Nigra huntin Saturday night. Mama told me what is what it was like growing up with, papa ( that’s how I refer to my grandfather). He was a Klansman. Moma told me none of us kids would ever be racist and none of us are.. If we had this conversation before I got locked down and you bought up the statement saying I was racist because you don’t understand what “coon” means,when I said it,my response to that would’ve been,”typical damn woman. Opening her mouth before she knows what’s going on”. Well I was locked down years back. I took that program while I was locked down. Now I know that if I say,”typical damn woman”,I viewing you in the larger collective. I’m not seeing you as an individual. So there is NO typical woman. Oh yeah. When I mentioned ,”educating someone”, that means I’m going to give them a helluva thumping. That used to be my way,but no more. Like H. G. Wells said,”first man to raise a fist,is the man who’s run out of ideas. Take all this shit for what it’s worth. I really don’t give a damn

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 6:49 pm

                • Her websites name is Scrapbookpages… Her blogs name is that as well, just her WordPress is Furtherglory.

                  And I don’t know what nation which you hail from. Where I live Coon is a racist slurs against Blacks. I see no reason to expand or elaborate on it.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 6:53 pm

                • I’m still trying to figure out how you can determine if FG is a woman or a man because I have not found any information indicating either way. I was under the impression that he was a guy by the way he writes seems more from a man’s perspective.
                  I’m a little surprised that FG doesn’t tell us more
                  Not that it makes any difference to me I think it’s an excellent slide either way.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 18, 2016 @ 6:57 pm

                • I’m going off from the word of Anon, he learned if off people from the HC comments.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 7:07 pm

                • I looked “Furtherglory” out of curiosity. I found out that the author is a woman.

                  I don’t care, myself. It doesn’t make any difference to me.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 18, 2016 @ 7:10 pm

                • Thank you Jeff. You’re the one I heard it from

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 7:14 pm

                • Someone on here mentioned it Jimbo. Even if FG turned out to be a male. Her comment would’ve been objectifying a male. That works both ways.

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 7:13 pm

                • Texas didn’t tip you off as to where I live? You’re wanting to make spmething out of this. I told you. You were wrong thinking I meant “coon”as a racial slur. I’ve pretty much heard every racial slur for blacks. I told you,”I’m not racist”. Coon shortened from raccoon . With me,that’s all it means. Now if you can’t accept the fact I’m referring to a 4 legged mammal,then I can’t do anything about that. So you’re wrong there. You come to a conclusion before you have all the facts. Tell you what. You wanna see how far I’ve gone with all this? I’ve been studying on this topic,every since I got out the pen. That was back in the 70’s. Couple years back,I met a lady. Maggie Hadleigh-West. She made a short documentary about how women are viewed. It’s called,”war zone”. It’ll only take like 8 or 10 minutes to watch. Now as a lady,I’m sure you can relate to what’s going on in this short film. It’s on YouTube

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 7:09 pm

                • Perhaps I missed it but alright.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 7:11 pm

                • No big deal. For whatever reason,I was referring to Amsterdam as a country the other day. I’m guilty as charged there.

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 7:18 pm

                • Hay we all do it

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 7:22 pm

                • You wrote: “Thank you for the video. I have it cued up, I’ll watch it tomorrow.”

                  I watched the video. The narrator keeps referring to Auschwitz, when he means Auschwitz-Birkenau. In the video, the narrator mentions that homosexuals were sent to the gas chamber, along with other categories of prisoners. Gay men were not sent to Auschwitz; they were sent to camps in Germany for six months and then released.

                  In the video, it is mentioned there was a “skylight” on top of the gas chamber. Someone climbed up the ladder and “poured gas into the skylight.” This was allegedly done at Auschwitz-Birkenau. As far as I know, the alleged gas chambers at Birkenau did not have “skylights.”

                  In the video, it is claimed that in the summer of 1944, the British government knew about the “mass murder”, being perpetrated by the Nazis, because the British had photographed Monowitz from a plane flying over the camp.

                  In the video, it is mentioned that pregnant women, prisoners over 40 years old, and children under the age of 15 were taken to Krema IV and Krema V to be gassed. No source for this statement was given.

                  What was not explained in the video is how it happened that babies were born in the camps and survived. Children under the age of 15 survived and are now out of the lecture circuit educating school children in hatred of the German people.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 18, 2016 @ 7:33 am

                • “No offense but you can’t be that stupid….so go back to bed….
                  “Here is a miracle upon miracles.
                  Quote from Wike-judia
                  In a single 14-hour workday, 12,000 to 15,000 people would be killed at any one of these camps.
                  The capacity of the crematoria at Birkenau was 20,000 bodies per day.
                  Show me the long lines of people standing in line to welcome this event….LOL
                  Show me how it all happened in those nasty gas chambers….
                  Show me how you can cremate all those bodies in the time span they say….
                  The Germans weren’t murderers they must of been magicians….LOL”

                  Post the link to Wikipedia, Jim.”

                  You can read about the report Directly at this link here.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrba%E2%80%93Wetzler_report

                  This is one of the earliest reports on the holocaust being written in 1944. Online copies of it are easy to find from what I am aware, but I haven’t put time into searching out for it.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 3:31 pm

                • You wrote: “You mentioned the Jews had the option to leave Germany . I heard a lot tried to,but were turned away at ports in other countries.”

                  That is correct. The Jews were turned away from several countries, including the USA.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 17, 2016 @ 5:35 pm

                • *Claim

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 3:51 pm

                • @Tim

                  “I’m just wanting to know this persons claim to fame”

                  Graf helped write Mattognos book on Majdanek. I believe this to be the rise. Sorry about the confusion I though you were talking about the Catholic priest I mentioned earlier.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 6:21 pm

                • When you said “Graf “,I thought you meant to say Garth Brooks. If that was the case,I’d love to see him move to your county . He supposed to be a country singer. That’s not what he reminds me of. George Jones even said he wasn’t country.

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 5:31 pm

                • lol that would be cool, but no. I mean the Revisionist who is living is Russia. That is If I am correct, going off from the book “holocaust denial as an international movement” then he is currently working as a translator. Though I think he is still writing. I’m not exactly sure cause I don’t subscribe to his writings. I used to read Kues a bit, mostly cause he was almost as self-destructive as Lüflts report.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 5:39 pm

                • As yeah I did, It was Graf.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 1:31 pm

                • Yeah I did, It was Graf.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 1:32 pm

                • The Russians have no credibility, wouldn’t waste my time with them or anything they have to say.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 6:45 pm

                • I wrote a comment to Jeff . I need you to read it. It requires equal floor time from both sides if this issue. You,FG and anyone else who is in your corner. I need y’all’s input . Read it and you’ll see what I’m talking about

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 1:53 pm

                • I guess you want something more…..visceral.

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/10/mass-graves-and-dead-bodies.html?m=1

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 15, 2016 @ 8:13 pm

                • @Click. Some of the photos that you submitted from Yad Vashem show corpses in various states of decay, but we are totally reliant upon the Soviets honesty in telling us the truth that these images were in fact taken at Maly Trostenets in 1944/45. Can we really rely on the integrity of the Communists who were the sworn enemy of the Nazis? We must remember that the Soviets were responsible for the massacre at Katyn, but for decades had the gall to blame the Germans for this murderous deed.

                  How do we know for certain that these dead bodies are in fact inmates of Maly Trostenets. They may be victims executed in purges by the NKVD, battlefield fatalities, or people who had died from diseases such as Typhus which was rife in that part of Eastern Europe during the war. The number of corpses in each photo only added up to a handful – a dozen-or-so at most. There is no evidence of mass murder at all.

                  I’m afraid we are going to need more solid evidence than this, before we can accept claims of Nazi genocide.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 15, 2016 @ 6:44 pm

                • You do understand Talbot that decay does happen really early on right? Bodies tend to decay faster outside of a coffin. In a coffin it’s 6 to 8 years to decay fully to a skeleton. Which is different from a bacteria infested ground which contains animals like warms and grubs.

                  So tell me, how does their state of decay change anything?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 7:15 pm

                • Jeff writes;- ” The Soviets exaggerated the numbers, real historians and researchers come back and correct. ”

                  Wow! – the first part of your sentence must be regarded as the “Understatement of the Century”. The drastic reduction in the number of victims has left my jaws so open wide that my dentures literally fell out of my mouth and clattered on the floor.

                  But more importantly – we “haters” and “deniers” are tantalisingly intrigued how you distinguish a “real” historian from an “unreal” one.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 4:43 am

                • The original number was not just Jews…. Vincent Hadleŭski wasn’t a Jew and he was killed there… He was a Roman Catholic Belarusian

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 4:51 am

                • Why, as to how I distinguish a real historian:

                  Finally, the arrival of at least one transport from the Warsaw Ghetto at a location east of Treblinka has been documented beyond any question. On 31 July 1942, the Reichskommissar for White Russia, Wilhelm Kube, sent a telegram to the Reichskommissar for the Ostland, Heinrich Lohse, in which he protested the dispatching of a transport of “1,000 Jews from Warsaw to work at Minsk,” because this would lead to danger of epidemics and an increase in partisan activity.[839]

                  That is from chapter IX, “Transit Camp Treblinka” by Carlo Mattogono, noted “revisionist” scholar.

                  He neglected to give the full document:

                  http://www.historiography-project.com/nca/nca06/3428-PS.php

                  That document details the mass killings of Jews in the area, along with a threat to eliminate any further transports.

                  Of course, I clicked the footnote, it directed me to an appendix.

                  If you click the link, it only shows a portion of the document, the bit about the 1000, it also is untranslated.

                  Despicable.
                  It shows a very selective use of documents to prove a false point, which shows the author has an agenda.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 6:30 am

                • Jeff produced a letter sent by a gentleman named Willy Just who it is claimed;-

                  “was in section II D 3 A, the automotive organization of the Security Police. The letter’s recipient, SS Lieutenant-Colonel Rauff, was the Director of section II D.”

                  May I ask the holocaust proponents – who exactly was Willy Just; what rank did he hold in the SS; and what happened to him during and after the war ?

                  Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 8:38 am

                • He was an SS mechanic. What happened to him I don’t know.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 9:32 am

                • How does Jeff K know that Willy Just was an SS Mechanic. It doesn’t say that in the correspondence that he sent to Lt. Colonel Walter Rauff. All we know is that dear old Willy “was in” Section II D 3 A. And once again, I have to ask what rank in the SS he held, because it does seem mighty strange that this is not included in the communication to Rauff.

                  Me begins to think that this is a forged document, and the name “Willy Just” is a fabricated character.

                  Oh dear, Jeff – you really must verify your sources before you submit them on to this website. It is very naughty of you otherwise.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 10:10 am

                • “How does Jeff K know that Willy Just was an SS Mechanic. It doesn’t say that in the correspondence that he sent to Lt. Colonel Walter Rauff. All we know is that dear old Willy “was in” Section II D 3 A. And once again, I have to ask what rank in the SS he held, because it does seem mighty strange that this is not included in the communication to Rauff.”

                  I looked it up……..you know, on the Internet.

                  “Me begins to think that this is a forged document, and the name “Willy Just” is a fabricated character.”

                  Prove that the document is a forgery.
                  There were a lot of people in the SS, Talbot. 7,000 SS served at Auschwitz alone.
                  There may be more information on him, or he could have died somewhere, or escaped and lived out his life in obscurity.
                  I don’t know at this point because I spent about 5 minutes looking.
                  Now, if you believe the document is a forgery prove it.
                  If you can’t then you are wrong.

                  “Oh dear, Jeff – you really must verify your sources before you submit them on to this website. It is very naughty of you otherwise.”

                  If the occasion calls for it I dig being naughty.

                  Speaking of naughty, any thoughts on the crap Mattogono tried to pull?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 10:45 am

                • Willie fictional character like Kilroy?

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 11:55 am

                • Perhaps Testimony? I’m not here to stand his ground for him… Ask Jeff yourself, he is here you know.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:04 am

                • I’ve already replied to this. Talbot now has the challenge of proving that the document is a forgery.

                  Incidentally, I still think Nizkor is a good website. Holocaust Controversies is better but Nizkor still has valid information. Considering most Holocaust deniers are still stuck in the 1980’s and 1990’s Nizkor is still valid.
                  As for THHP, I honestly don’t care if deniers think they “debunked” something. They are wrong. Their challenge is to prove their “theories” are right.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 11:13 am

                • I don’t like relying of HC… They are alright but will not exactly be greatly refined (what site really is?). As well most deniers like the idea they plagiarized items, its a stronger retort then just calling Jim an idiot…

                  And Nizkor can be alright, but one can learn more by just directly reading Alt.Revisionism. Anon does this often.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:21 am

                • You wrote: “Niskor can be alright, but one can learn more by just directly reading Alt.Revisionism.”

                  Funny you should mention Alt.Revisionism. Now I know who you are. And now you’re back…

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 11:31 am

                • Hmmm, So who do you suspect I am?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:39 am

                • You wrote: “So who [whom] do you suspect [that] I am?”

                  I suspect that you are a person who keeps his identity secret so that he can attack others without being arrested. This person keeps his location secret, so no one knows what country he is in. This is a person who writes on the internet at all hours of the day and the night, so that no one can determine what country he is in.

                  That’s it for me. I am shutting down my blog. Now you can spend your time ruining someone else’s life.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 11:52 am

                • Close, but no. I know him though, this is his WordPress though.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:57 am

                • I’ve never looked up alt.revisionism. I’ll take a look.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 11:35 am

                • They have some archived quotes from “The Good Old Days”, which have been stored here.

                  http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/denial/testimony.txt

                  I believe these were typed up by Daniel Keren of the Nizkor Project.

                  They also have a few Hartheim castle documents. Which I have archived. The most damning was used by Anon in his writing on leuchter. It was a letter from Dr. Sigmund Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler.

                  Nizkor Archived it as well.

                  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.cgi?camps/hartheim/hartheim.001

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:48 am

                • Auschwitz Plain facts is what I’m reading now…
                  Blows away Pressac lies..
                  P.94-96
                  5.12. A Hail Storm of Deceptions
                  Let us linger for a moment on the story of the gassing of those 1,492 Jews
                  in crematory II.
                  In addition to the deceptions that I have just enumerated, it is worth noting
                  that Pressac has, on this score, eliminated all the material contingencies that
                  he finds awkward. The SS men cannot have poured the Zyklon B into four
                  openings in the roof for the simple reason that no such openings existed – a
                  fact that can be noted on site still today.
                  Moreover, Pressac knows very well, from having read the documents that I
                  published in 1980 (in particular, Nuremberg documents NI-9098 and NI-
                  9912,63 pertaining to Zyklon B and its use), that the members of the Sonder-
                  kommando could never have entered the gas chamber “after fifteen or twenty
                  minutes” and, working in a space of 210 square meters (30 m × 7 m),64 under-
                  taken the colossal task of shaving off all the victims’ hair, pulling out their
                  gold teeth, removing their wedding rings and jewelry, dragging 1,492 corpses
                  to a small hoist and incinerating those corpses in “two days” (p. 74). He
                  knows that hydrogen cyanide gas, the main ingredient of Zyklon B, adheres
                  strongly to surfaces, that airing it out is a long and difficult job (it takes nearly
                  a day of aeration for a room at ground level with windows), that it is absorbed
                  by the hair, skin and mucous and penetrates the body to the point of making
                  the handling of cyanide-poisoned corpses a perilous business (contamination
                  can arise from simple contact). Never could the Sonderkommando have entered a sea of hydrogen cyanide gas to remove, huffing and puffing, 1,492
                  cyanide-poisoned corpses. Even for those wearing a mask with a special filter
                  (the “J” filter), any physical effort in the presence of hydrogen cyanide is
                  ruled out because exertion brings on accelerated breathing, which will draw
                  the gas through the filter. For all the wind that Pressac’s ventilators might
                  blow there, no ventilation system could have got rid, in a few minutes, of the
                  molecules of poison adhering to the floor, the ceiling, the walls and the door,
                  infused in the bodies or kept in gas pockets between the piled-up corpses. On
                  this point, I refer to the technique used in the American gas chambers for executing a single convict with hydrogen cyanide gas.
                  As for the incineration of 1,492 corpses in two days in a set of fifteen ovens (coke-fuelled and probably operating only 12 hours in 24), Pressac knows
                  that it is impossible, since it would involve almost fifty cremations per day per
                  oven (today, in France, a gas-fuelled and therefore much more efficient cre-
                  matory oven can complete only three to five cremations in an eight-hour day).
                  And then, in any case, where would they have been able to put the 1,492
                  corpses of the GASSED awaiting cremation? The author, to whom the question has been put so often, knows that there is no answer.
                  But there is another question that comes to mind.
                  According to Pressac, the four crematories of Birkenau had been turned
                  into slaughterhouses. For example, in crematories II and III, the two rooms
                  meant for the reception and storage of bodies arriving each day had been surreptitiously transformed, one into a vestibule or changing room where the
                  Jews undressed (Leichenkeller 2), and the other into a gas chamber where
                  those same Jews were gassed (Leichenkeller 1). If this were so, then absolutely no place is to be seen where the Germans might have been able to re-
                  ceive and store the corpses of the one hundred detainees who died, on average,
                  in the camp each day, particularly because of the epidemics that were precisely the reason why those crematories had been planned and built66 (and
                  what is true with regard to crematories II and III holds equally, in other terms,
                  for crematories IV and V).
                  The problem is therefore the following:
                  If the buildings called crematories were, in fact, nothing but slaughter-
                  houses for the reception, killing and incineration of Jews, where, at Birke-
                  nau, could the corpses of those who died of natural causes, and, in particular
                  lar, those of the victims of the epidemics that ravaged the camp, be received,
                  stored and incinerated?
                  In other words: Where were Birkenau’s true crematories?
                  Pressac bridles at the restraints of submission to facts and at the refusal of
                  fantasy and lies that every historian, at least in principle, must impose on himself. He is much more at ease in fiction, particularly that of the novelist.

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 12:09 pm

                • “On
                  this point, I refer to the technique used in the American gas chambers for executing a single convict with hydrogen cyanide gas.
                  As for the incineration of 1,492 corpses in two days in a set of fifteen ovens (coke-fuelled and probably operating only 12 hours in 24), Pressac knows
                  that it is impossible,”

                  Pressac was aware of this…. But is Mattongo ignoring the cremation pits? Anon also did the math on this as for if the gas chambers ran every day. He got a cremation rate of 2,926,536 bodies total….

                  “According to Pressac, the four crematories of Birkenau had been turned
                  into slaughterhouses. For example, in crematories II and III, the two rooms
                  meant for the reception and storage of bodies arriving each day had been surreptitiously transformed, one into a vestibule or changing room where the
                  Jews undressed (Leichenkeller 2)”

                  This is a not commonly subscribed to idea, but Krema 4 & 5 were created for killing. I’m not exactly sure if pressac is correct here. I think I may have been modeled off the plans for a morgue though.]

                  “If the buildings called crematories were, in fact, nothing but slaughter-
                  houses for the reception, killing and incineration of Jews, where, at Birke-
                  nau, could the corpses of those who died of natural causes, and, in particular
                  lar, those of the victims of the epidemics that ravaged the camp, be received,
                  stored and incinerated?”

                  People were not gassed every day, as well they spread out the number of people whom were going to be gassed. They didn’t just stuff 2000 people into a room every day and cremate their bodies alone. There are also areas of mass burial for bodies in Auschwitz. Van Pelt in the documentary “Mr. Death”says the following.

                  “Crematorium II is the most lethal building of Auschwitz. In the 2500 square feet of this one room, more people lost their lives than any other place on this planet. 500,000 people were killed. If you would draw a map of human suffering, if you created a geography of atrocity, this would be the absolute center. *Every year, remains of human beings are found. Bones, teeth. The earth doesn’t rest.*”

                  And here is a photograph from Auschwitz.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

                • Jeff….. I love how you and all your Holohucksters buddies try to throw the burden of proof upon us like I’ve said in the past we really don’t have to prove anything you are the one that has to prove it happen you are the one that has to come up with the theories that’s all we have to say is it can’t happen because it’s impossible the way those camps were set up.
                  What you doing is a typical Jew way of thinking it’s called Dragging the red herring over the trail to throw people off the real topic which is you and your HoloHoax lies making it look like we’re the bad guys when you are ones that making up the stories and coming up with nonsense we’re just telling it like it is showing that it’s impossible that these gassings took place the way these camper setup.
                  Hard to believe the Jews would look at ZB in an evil way when zyklon-b was the thing that actually saved them..
                  But that wasn’t enough they had to come out after the whole German people making it look like there was some sort of extermination policy out on the Jews….again Despicable people anyone that would promote this nonsense.
                  And the thing that really pisses me off about you and your Holohuckster friends is that you never critisiize the Holohoaxers stories that are just completely insane and unbelievable and to think that they even can say such stuff and people believe it.
                  Ingrid Zisblat, the Rosenblatt’s, Elie Wiesel, Mischa Vonseca,. Dario Gabai, And hundreds of others outright liars and fools.
                  It amazes me the gullibility of you people and how you can be taken in by the HoloHoax scam but you have your own mind and you seem to think you can think but obviously you’re out to lunch on this one.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 11:43 am

                • “Jeff….. I love how you and all your Holohucksters buddies try to throw the burden of proof upon us like I’ve said in the past we really don’t have to prove anything you are the one that has to prove it happen you are the one that has to come up with the theories that’s all we have to say is it can’t happen because it’s impossible the way those camps were set up.”

                  No, Jim, deniers have to prove that their version is correct, which they have not done.

                  “What you doing is a typical Jew way of thinking it’s called Dragging the red herring over the trail to throw people off the real topic which is you and your HoloHoax lies making it look like we’re the bad guys”

                  I’m not a Jew, Jim.
                  You just make yourself look goofy when you say things like that.

                  “when you are ones that making up the stories and coming up with nonsense we’re just telling it like it is showing that it’s impossible that these gassings took place the way these camper setup.”

                  I’m not making up stories.

                  “Hard to believe the Jews would look at ZB in an evil way when zyklon-b was the thing that actually saved them..”

                  Well, I can’t imagine that many Jews are fond of the thought that their relatives died through the use of ZB.

                  “But that wasn’t enough they had to come out after the whole German people making it look like there was some sort of extermination policy out on the Jews….again Despicable people anyone that would promote this nonsense.”

                  Well, if you don’t like actual history that’s not my problem.

                  “And the thing that really pisses me off about you and your Holohuckster friends is that you never critisiize the Holohoaxers stories that are just completely insane and unbelievable and to think that they even can say such stuff and people believe it.
                  Ingrid Zisblat, the Rosenblatt’s, Elie Wiesel, Mischa Vonseca,. Dario Gabai, And hundreds of others outright liars and fools.”

                  I don’t care what those above people said or didn’t say. I’ve never read a memoir by a Holocaust survivor and I’m not going to start now.

                  “It amazes me the gullibility of you people and how you can be taken in by the HoloHoax scam but you have your own mind and you seem to think you can think but obviously you’re out to lunch on this one.”

                  I’m not gullible and I’m no one’s rube.
                  My mind is my own. The facts of history speak for themselves.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 12:05 pm

                • Jeff I can see why you don’t want to start reading the HoloHoaxes testimony they’re all based on lies because you might have to come to a realization that you’ve been lied to and you’ve been scammed yourself well here’s the link below to some of them just in case you want to look into them you’ve seen it before but obviously you haven’t gone to it.
                  What you are suffering from Jeff is called cognitive dissonance it’s pretty bad because when people find out that they were lied to it actually creates pain within them so I can see why you don’t want to do that you can’t come to a realization that what we might be saying is true so you have to avoid it completely. It’s Not Unusual Millions of people are suffering from it.

                  http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fantastic-Holocaust-Survivor-Stories-Jewish-Soap-Lampshades-Fertilizer-Mengele-Miracles.php

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 12:15 pm

                • Oh, horse shit, Jim.

                  I don’t read memoirs because I have no interest in them.
                  Really my first enjoyment is military history.

                  I look at witness testimony like this:
                  It can only fill in blanks. When I look at the documentation it tells a definitive story, backed by witness testimony. Both perpatrator and victim testimony converge so I find it reliable in that way. We also have bystanders that confirm this.

                  So, please spare me the stories of parboiled, baked, steamed, burned, nuked, whatever crap you keep trying to push on me.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 12:34 pm

                • Click says the following;-

                  “There are also areas of mass burial for bodies in Auschwitz.”

                  Well, if that’s the case, then you’ll be able to tell us exactly where these areas are located, and the approximate quantity of human remains found there. You will also be able to tell us what state the bodies were in – whether they were entire corpses, body parts, small bones or ashes.

                  But I find your claim quite extraordinary, because there does not appear to have been a search for human remains carried out at Auschwitz or Birkenau in the immediate post-war years, because no investigation/forensic report was ever produced that described an organised search for remains, or any confirmation of their discovery.

                  Click goes on to quote Robert Jan Van Pelt, when he says;-

                  “…*Every year, remains of human beings are found. Bones, teeth. The earth doesn’t rest.*”

                  If Mr Van Pelt is correct in what he is saying, then surely we are perfectly entitled to ask – What is the total quantity of human remains found over the years, and what happens to them afterwards. Are they dug back into the ground?, are they handed in to the Auschwitz authorities and placed in some kind of ossuary or mausoleum?, are they put on display in a glass case, like the hair and the shoes, for the visitors to gawp at ?, or are the lucky discoverers free to take the remains home with them as some kind of gruesome holocaust souvenirs?.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 4:16 pm

                • “Well, if that’s the case, then you’ll be able to tell us exactly where these areas are located, and the approximate quantity of human remains found there. You will also be able to tell us what state the bodies were in – whether they were entire corpses, body parts, small bones or ashes.”

                  According to Van Pelt, bones are found within a forested areas where you can find markers with pictures of people in the woods.

                  Most ash though was sold, and used as fertilizer. Also according to Shermer and his ‘debate’ with Weber the ash was also spread in the river located near the camp. Mass graves also doesn’t mean they compare to Treblinka.

                  “But I find your claim quite extraordinary, because there does not appear to have been a search for human remains carried out at Auschwitz or Birkenau in the immediate post-war years”

                  I don’t think there really needed to be any. Though Hoess did say the following in his memoir.

                  “At first we poured waste oil over the bodies. Later on we used methanol. The burning went on continuously – all day and all night. By the end of November all the mass graves were cleared. The number of buried bodies in the mass graves was 107,000. This number contains not only the first Jewish transports which were gassed when we started the burnings, but also the bodies of the prisoners who died in the main Auschwitz camp during the winter of 1941-42 because the crematory was out of order. The prisoners who died at Birkenau [Auschwitz II] are included in that number.”

                  To go digging up 107,000 people out of 1.1 million doesn’t exactly seem worth it… As well if you look at the photographs of the bones they have been smashed.

                  And on page 116 of the pelt report.

                  “Initially the SS buried the corpses of those killed in the bunkers in large mass graves. On the basis of the testimony of Kula, Dawidowski came to the conclusion that in 1942 these corpses had begun to smell terribly. In response the SS ordered the opening of the mass graves and the destruction of the remains with the help of flame throwers. (As we have seen before, the War Refugee Report described this episode in great detail). This, so he argued, had triggered the decision to equip the camp with virtual “death factories”: crematoria equipped with gas chambers and powerful incinerators.”

                  You can find the pelt report on Vho.

                  http://vho.org/aaargh/engl/report.pdf

                  “If Mr Van Pelt is correct in what he is saying, then surely we are perfectly entitled to ask – What is the total quantity of human remains found over the years”

                  According to Hoess it was around 100,000.

                  ” Are they dug back into the ground?, are they handed in to the Auschwitz authorities and placed in some kind of ossuary or mausoleum?, are they put on display in a glass case, like the hair and the shoes, for the visitors to gawp at ?, or are the lucky discoverers free to take the remains home with them as some kind of gruesome holocaust souvenirs?.”

                  I think my Quote from Hoess answered these questions.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 5:05 pm

                • Speaking of digging for bones,won’t they lock your ass up for that? I read an article FG wrote on here. She said couple high school kids were on a field trip there(something like that). They tried to take something off the site and they got popped for it.

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 11:46 am

                • You wrote: “I read an article FG wrote on here. She said couple high school kids were on a field trip there(something like that). They tried to take something off the site and they got popped for it.”

                  I blogged about this twice, including this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/12/29/british-teenagers-will-go-on-trial-for-stealing-aretfacts-from-auschwitz-birkenau/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 17, 2016 @ 12:48 pm

                • That was it. That’s why I was trying to figure out why someone would just decide to visit the place and make their own excavation site. I don’t think these kids had any kind of opinion on this part of our history. They probably thought it would be something cool to show their friends. I wrote Jeff a response earlier. It actually requires everyone’s input. You dont have to read the whole thing. Skip down to where you see me bring up ” my favorite Martian ( you remember ,Bill Bixby and Ray Walston). You’ll see what I’m getting at

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 2:08 pm

                • Click says;- “According to Van Pelt, bones are found within a forested areas where you can find markers with pictures of people in the woods.”

                  OK – but if no investigation, search or forensic report was ever undertaken, then how can the Auschwitz authorities and Mr Van Pelt be so sure that this forested area is a burial site? Because no physical evidence of human remains have ever been found there

                  “Most ash though was sold, and used as fertilizer. Also according to Shermer and his ‘debate’ with Weber the ash was also spread in the river located near the camp…”

                  But where did Michael Shermer get his information from – there must be some official source which has been verified by an official investigation or enquiry, otherwise these holocaust advocates are making all this stuff up on the hoof.

                  “I don’t think there really needed to be any [ investigation or forensic search ].”

                  Well you may not think that, but us sceptics are quite entitled to ask the Polish government and the Auschwitz authorities why this was not undertaken. Could it be that they knew full well that the camp was never a centre for mass extermination and thus there were no human remains to be found anywhere in the vicinity, and therefore they didn’t bother to waste their time and money setting up a commission in order to carry out a thorough search.

                  “Though Hoess did say the following in his memoir;-

                  “At first we poured waste oil over the bodies. Later on we used methanol. The burning went on continuously – all day and all night. By the end of November all the mass graves were cleared. The number of buried bodies in the mass graves was 107,000. This number contains not only the first Jewish transports which were gassed when we started the burnings, but also the bodies of the prisoners who died in the main Auschwitz camp during the winter of 1941-42 because the crematory was out of order. The prisoners who died at Birkenau [Auschwitz II] are included in that number.”

                  Is this the very same Rudolf Hoess who was threatened, beaten-up, tortured and fed alcohol during his interrogation? I don’t think we can rely on anything the former Commandant said his memoirs. He spoke nonsense about a non-existent death camp, and also referred to numbers of exterminated victims that reached over 4 million.

                  “To go digging up 107,000 people out of 1.1 million doesn’t exactly seem worth it… As well if you look at the photographs of the bones they have been smashed.”

                  Well, once again, you might not think it worth it, but if you were an Auschwitz survivor, would you not insist that the authorities carry out the most rigorous and thorough search for your loved ones remains so that they can be carefully exhumed and placed in a proper cemetery which is maintained to very high standards?

                  “And on page 116 of the pelt report;-

                  “Initially the SS buried the corpses of those killed in the bunkers in large mass graves. On the basis of the testimony of Kula, Dawidowski came to the conclusion that in 1942 these corpses had begun to smell terribly. In response the SS ordered the opening of the mass graves and the destruction of the remains with the help of flame throwers. (As we have seen before, the War Refugee Report described this episode in great detail). This, so he argued, had triggered the decision to equip the camp with virtual “death factories”: crematoria equipped with gas chambers and powerful incinerators.”

                  This information is based on the testimony of a former inmate, who was more than willing to create a storyline for the Polish and Soviet investigation teams – who themselves were the bitter enemies of the Germans, and were on the lookout for horror stories galore! – this is hardly impartial evidence.

                  “ What is the total quantity of human remains found over the years – According to Hoess it was around 100,000.”

                  No, it doesn’t matter what Hoess says about his time at Auschwitz. What I want to know is the quantity of human remains that have been found there by other people since the end of the war.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 6:28 pm

                • “OK – but if no investigation, search or forensic report was ever undertaken, then how can the Auschwitz authorities and Mr Van Pelt be so sure that this forested area is a burial site?”

                  You have been show the photo and the memoirs are a good example of it. This is how they would know… Also don’t claim there is no forensic report. You don’t know that and nor do I. There is a chance that there has been…

                  “Because no physical evidence of human remains have ever been found there”

                  I again show the same photo I have shown plenty of times.

                  It may be a small bit of evidence… but it still is evidence… just like the hoess memoirs.

                  “Well you may not think that, but us sceptics are quite entitled to ask the Polish government and the Auschwitz authorities why this was not undertaken.”

                  I wouldn’t call you a skeptic at all.. Anyway regardless they don’t need to appeal to the demands of the right. Just as Ukraine doesn’t have to appeal to the far left.

                  “Is this the very same Rudolf Hoess who was threatened, beaten-up, tortured and fed alcohol during his interrogation? I don’t think we can rely on anything the former Commandant said his memoirs. He spoke nonsense about a non-existent death camp, and also referred to numbers of exterminated victims that reached over 4 million. ”

                  Ok I’m just going to borrow 3 points form Anon when he was arguing with Jim.

                  1) The only evidence for his Torture is the memoir.

                  2) He recanted the number…. It wasn’t 4 million ether, it was 2.5 million… That’s what he testified at the trial.

                  The following video is a reenactment in a movie. I believe its name was Nuremberg.

                  Anyway Hoess said the following in his memoir as well.

                  “[Total 1,130,000]31

                  I can no longer remember the figures for the smaller actions, but they were insignificant by comparison with the numbers given above.

                  I regard a total of 2.5 million as far too high. Even Auschwitz had limits to its destructive capabilities.”

                  He estimated 1.13 million killed at auschwitz. This is very close to are modern estimates.

                  3) Hoess’s Memoirs are very accurate pieces. Anon has linked THHP’s writing on the matter to salve this issue.

                  http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/hoess-memoirs/

                  “Well, once again, you might not think it worth it, but if you were an Auschwitz survivor, would you not insist that the authorities carry out the most rigorous and thorough search for your loved ones remains so that they can be carefully exhumed and placed in a proper cemetery which is maintained to very high standards? ”

                  Generally Survivors have more respect then that for the dead… Mostly cause of Jewish burial laws… This would depend how religious I was.

                  “This information is based on the testimony of a former inmate, who was more than willing to create a storyline for the Polish and Soviet investigation teams – who themselves were the bitter enemies of the Germans, and were on the lookout for horror stories galore! – this is hardly impartial evidence. ”

                  Can you debunk the survivors statement? I think not, you can only complain about it and from what can be told the corpses were burned somehow… This can be told by the fact that they are down to bone and smashed.

                  “No, it doesn’t matter what Hoess says about his time at Auschwitz. What I want to know is the quantity of human remains that have been found there by other people since the end of the war.”

                  I’m not sure, as people generally have something known as morals… And those morals generally tell us not to dig on the land of a museum and or site of mass murder. I also don’t think grave robbers would admit to digging up bodies (with the exception of the Goldrush to Treblinka).

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 7:00 pm

                • Now this photo of yours, Click – what is it we are actually seeing here. What I can make out is a cleared area of grass and weeds showing bare earth with stones of various sizes, plus some unidentified debris of sorts. I presume you are asserting that this is human remains.

                  But before we can accept your claim we have to ask a number of questions first;-

                  1) Did you take the photo yourself
                  2) If not, then who did
                  3) When was the photo taken
                  4) Are you certain that the image was taken at Auschwitz/Birkenau
                  5) Was permission from the Auschwitz Memorial Museum sought, and granted to take the photo.
                  6) Where precisely inside (or outside) the camp is the location of this site
                  7) Was the photo taken during an officially approved archaeological search, or
                  8) Was it an unofficial dig, or
                  9) Is the site permanently exposed in the way that we see it in the photo
                  10) If these are human remains, can you name the forensic scientist or organisation that verified them as such.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 8:19 pm

                • 1) Did you take the photo yourself

                  No

                  2) If not, then who did

                  מאירה אידלשטיין- ארכיון המנהלי

                  3) When was the photo taken

                  The Date is not given. Its most likely an early 60’s to 70’s camera.

                  4) Are you certain that the image was taken at Auschwitz/Birkenau

                  The Photo was submitted and is said by Yad Vashem to be from that camp.

                  “Auschwitz, Poland, human bones. ”

                  Generally when they have an image mislabeled they make it clear. For example.

                  http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/en-us/59806.html

                  5) Was permission from the Auschwitz Memorial Museum sought, and granted to take the photo.

                  From what can be told it could have been dug without permission of the Museum. It doesn’t appear to be a very big hole. It could have also been dug by an animal which wouldn’t shock me. Roberto on his trip to sobibor found a similar hole in the ground.

                  6) Where precisely inside (or outside) the camp is the location of this site

                  Precise location isn’t given, though I have a feeling that I know where it is. In the woods shown in Mr Death around 56:30.

                  “7) Was the photo taken during an officially approved archaeological search, or
                  8) Was it an unofficial dig, or
                  9) Is the site permanently exposed in the way that we see it in the photo”

                  I think it was most likely a Tourist for found ether a grave robbing site or just a spot in which an Animal dug.

                  “10) If these are human remains, can you name the forensic scientist or organisation that verified them as such.”

                  I cannot name a group who tested them. But with the given documentary evidence its pretty safe to assume that they are human.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 8:47 pm

                • Fair enough. I’ll give you credit for one thing. I’ve seen this come from both sides. I’m not calling anyone a liar.but I’ve seen people get very defensive (on both sides) when they get backed in a corner and can’t provide answers. You answered in a respectful manner . You also claimed,you don’t have all the answers . I can respect that

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 11:53 am

                • With due respect, Click, your answers to my 10 questions are not really adequate to be convincing that what we are seeing is a site of human remains.

                  Now, to me, there is something very wrong here. If there were in fact human remains scattered around the Auschwitz / Birkenau complex, then the Polish authorities would have ensured that a thorough and painstaking search would have taken place during the late-1940’s and 1950’s in order to exhume and collect every piece of piece of human bone, tooth and tissue that they could find. They would then bury them properly at a reasonable depth in a prepared cemetery or in a mausoleum structure built either below or above ground. They would not leave human body parts and ashes scattered around, or lying just underneath the surface for human and wild animal scavengers to dig around and disturb.

                  But if this is in fact the case, then we can only assume that the Polish Government and the Auschwitz authorities are criminally irresponsible and are behaving in a totally inhuman and disrespectful manner.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 9:18 pm

                • “With due respect, Click, your answers to my 10 questions are not really adequate to be convincing that what we are seeing is a site of human remains.”

                  The Point is simply put that bones were at one point on site. Perhaps I should explain this a little bit better. Bones = Bone Fragments…

                  The Following one above is an image from Sobibor compare is with the one from Asuchwtiz.

                  Now as for you constant issue of “No digs” perhaps you could just go with a shovel to Auschwitz and dig for yourself. The point behind the Auschwitz photo is that it clearly shows white shards, which to any informed person would have to be human. I have already explained to you that documentary evidence points to there being mass graves. The Point behind the photos is simple. Bone Fragments are a support for the documents. The photo given shows quite well that there are bones. If you take the time to look for photos you can find more.

                  Here is one off from flicker.

                  “*Auschwitz – bone fragments* in the ground around the gas chamber”

                  This is just one more photo of the 3 you have been show from Auchwitz. 2 show of bones near the Crematorium. 1 of them was close to the road. They clearly support Van pelt. Which crematorium is up for debate. I would place my bets on Crematorium 4 or 5. As for the other one, its what I believe is inside the woods. It would need some backing but it still supports the idea bones are found on site commonly.

                  So when you say.

                  “Now, to me, there is something very wrong here.”

                  It is clearly only you, and possibly Jim and Tim.

                  Also I decided to go through Yad Vashems photo archive for you. Directly searching for Auschwitz Mass Graves. I found the following photograph.


                  “Auschwitz, Poland, A mass grave.”
                  You can find my search information here.

                  http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/en-us/search.html#q=Auschwitz%20mass%20grave

                  I think this is enough and I think Poland most likely (out of respect for Jewish burial laws) will never do any exhumations of the site. Auschwitz has proven its self quite well… and it seems best left alone to its self.

                  So when you say the following.

                  “They would not leave human body parts and ashes scattered around, or lying just underneath the surface for human and wild animal scavengers to dig around and disturb.
                  But if this is in fact the case, then we can only assume that the Polish Government and the Auschwitz authorities are criminally irresponsible and are behaving in a totally inhuman and disrespectful manner.”

                  I say they do this everywhere, Roberto also found bone fragments at Sobibor in a similar hole which appeared to be dug up by an animal. He finds it around 14:25.

                  I wouldn’t also call it “criminally irresponsible”… How in the hell would it be? Its against Jewish customs to dig up the bones… It seems they are simply doing out of respect. If they were to also dig it up, I’m 100% they would be hit by harsh criticism.

                  As well grave robbers on site are quite common.

                  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3295228/EXCLUSIVE-Jewish-Holocaust-victims-graves-dug-hunt-treasure-Shocking-photos-reveal-looters-disturb-mass-burial-sites-Poland-s-Sobib-r-Nazi-death-camp.html

                  I don’t think its the polish government but the grave robbers who have shown to be “inhuman and disrespectful”… They have been doing this for a long -long-long time. A perfect example is the “Gold rush to Treblinka”.

                  http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/99982/the-treblinka-gold-rush

                  Also what exactly they could do about animals digging up the following… I’m not sure. Should they cleanse the property and get more backfire then the one time they put out showers to keep people cool?

                  http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/01/world/auschwitz-holocaust-showers/

                  Its simply put that its sensitive thing for a good number of people.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 11:17 am

                • *Compare this

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 11:21 am

                • * If they were to also dig it up, I’m 100% sure they would be hit by harsh criticism.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 11:26 am

                • Your argument has valid points too. Just don’t either one of y’all start cussing each other. Then we’re all gonna look like inbred hillbillies

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 11:56 am

                • Click – I find it very difficult to accept your explanations as to why you think that human remains lie scattered around the Auschwitz complex today – over 70 years beyond the tragic events of WW2. I just can’t imagine that the Jewish people, especially, but also the Polish government and the Auschwitz authorities would have allowed this situation to have remain unresolved for this enormous length of time.

                  And from what you are telling us – it is still possible in the year 2016 for anyone to go there and start digging around to find bone fragments and body parts. I find this situation absolutely astonishing. In modern civilised countries, human remains from a tragedy, a major accident, or a battlefield site are thoroughly and swiftly collected and then they are deposited in a proper burial ground. But you seem to be concerned about Jewish burial rights or something-or-other which I can’t make head-nor-tail of because neither you, nor I, have got any idea at all if these remains are from Jews or non-Jews..

                  According to the official Auschwitz story, it wasn’t just Jews who perished there, but Russian prisoners-of-war, Polish Christians, gypsies and other nationalities. Did their kinsfolk give their consent to this extraordinary situation where their loved ones remains are left lying around for human and animal scavengers to have a field day?

                  So I come back to my original proposition; that the Polish government and the Auschwitz Authorities are criminally irresponsible organisations, and the senior personnel of both should be brought to account.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 17, 2016 @ 1:00 pm

                • “Click – I find it very difficult to accept your explanations as to why you think that human remains lie scattered around the Auschwitz complex today over 70 years beyond the tragic events of WW2.”

                  How? You have see the photographs yourself? Have you not?

                  1) Bones have been reported by Historians. Seen with Van Pelt.

                  2) Average Tourist have found bones around the site.

                  3) Documentation says these graves existed. Aka Hoess.

                  4) Eye witnesses (as shown form the quote from the pelt report) describe the pits being cleared out.

                  Is this hard to understand? There is a difference between bones and bone fragments. The graves on site have most likely been cleared. As for the ones located around the red and white house, this may be up for debate.

                  “I just can’t imagine that the Jewish people, especially, but also the Polish government and the Auschwitz authorities would have allowed this situation to have remain unresolved for this enormous length of time.”

                  I’m sure someone somewhere has one earth core samples… I again have given my reason and its quite clear and simple.

                  1) Its against Jewish law to dig up the bones. Roberto mentions this inside his Sobibor Video, as well you do see how he had to ask the museum to take the bones for testing as well…

                  2) Its a touchy subject for people and digging up bones of the dead would unacceptable. I’m sure the local village would also be very irritated with it as well.

                  3)It also might have been done. And by looking at the image I gave earlier we can see there was a digging of some kind.

                  “And from what you are telling us – it is still possible in the year 2016 for anyone to go there and start digging around to find bone fragments and body parts.”

                  This would seem very likely… The latest photo I have seen of the bone fragments was from 2012. Not saying it would be legal to dig them up though. But when a the word “illegal” stopped Leuchter, Rudolf, and Faurisson?

                  “I find this situation absolutely astonishing. In modern civilised countries, human remains from a tragedy, a major accident, or a battlefield site are thoroughly and swiftly collected and then they are deposited in a proper burial ground.”

                  You know what… You tell me when they start digging up the thousands of dead cambodians from the killing fields for proper burial. Cause last time I checked they didn’t regularly dig up genocide victims in such a fashion. Last time I checked these people were not soldiers. I have mentioned this to you before. I also don’t see them doing this for the holodomor… Then again its been a while since Anon has updated me on the news of Ukraine.

                  “But you seem to be concerned about Jewish burial rights or something-or-other which I can’t make head-nor-tail of because neither you, nor I, have got any idea at all if these remains are from Jews or non-Jews..”

                  According to estimates Jews make up 90% at the least for the entire death estimate… It is highly unlikely that majority of them are not Jews. Some of the most accurate estimates can be found inside the English translated version of Pressacs book. I personally am not concerned if they were all Jews or not… Nor am I concerned about Jewish religious law. I am simply pointing out that a huge scale dig would be met with harsh criticism and perhaps a public protest. People know the name of Auschwitz, they know it way to well. That’s why digs like Colls can be done at a place like Treblinka but not at Auschwitz.

                  Go ask 5 people that you do not know what they think of Auschwitz. Also regardless if they are not all Jews how then does one identify which is a Jew? and which is not? As you have pointed out quite well its been 70 years.

                  “According to the official Auschwitz story, it wasn’t just Jews who perished there, but Russian prisoners-of-war, Polish Christians, gypsies and other nationalities”

                  Have you seen the statistics though? Its something like 92% of all those murdered were Jews.

                  According to Georges Wellers of the total number of his estimates (1,471,595) 94.4% of them were Jews. This would mean 1,352,980 of the total number were Jews…

                  “Did their kinsfolk give their consent to this extraordinary situation where their loved ones remains are left lying around for human and animal scavengers to have a field day?”

                  From what I can let you know, they most likely just accept it. There isn’t really much that can be done.

                  “So I come back to my original proposition; that the Polish government and the Auschwitz Authorities are criminally irresponsible organisations, and the senior personnel of both should be brought to account.”

                  I already covered this.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 1:59 pm

                • At Birkenau today, one will find hollows in the ground around some of the “kremas” that are described as “ash pits” ( I believe Further Glory has photos of these ). In winter, and during prolonged periods of rainfall, these swiftly fill up with water ( the one that is situated outside Krema IV is more-or-less a permanent pond ). Well, our criminal friends who run the Auschwitz pantomime stage-show maintain that these ash pits do indeed contain the cremated remains of human beings, who, it is alleged, were murdered in the adjacent krema facilities. In fact, they have erected a group of four marker stones at each ash pit proclaiming this fact.

                  But why human remains have been left lying in these pits for over 70 years is anyone’s guess. I can’t imagine any civilised human being – or any responsible organisation – permitting human remains to lie at the bottom of a semi-stagnant pond or a dried-out pit for decades on end. But then, maybe the Polish nation and the Auschwitz authorities are not civilised people at all.

                  How sad!

                  Comment by Talbot — June 17, 2016 @ 1:46 pm

                • “At Birkenau today, one will find hollows in the ground around some of the “kremas” that are described as “ash pits” ( I believe Further Glory has photos of these ).”

                  Im guessing you are talking about the Ash pond?

                  “In winter, and during prolonged periods of rainfall, these swiftly fill up with water ( the one that is situated outside Krema IV is more-or-less a permanent pond ). ”

                  Yep that’s the ash pond…

                  “Well, our criminal friends who run the Auschwitz pantomime stage-show maintain that these ash pits do indeed contain the cremated remains of human beings, who, it is alleged, were murdered in the adjacent krema facilities. In fact, they have erected a group of four marker stones at each ash pit proclaiming this fact. ”

                  Alright, but my point still stands on mass graves… this seems very unrelated. As well what does this have to do with bones on site? Yes they have let the pond fill but this isn’t that inhuman. I have seen photographs of Killings fields which have just been ignored to let the jungle overtake it.

                  Its not like the camps being ran any-worse in its modern age then it was ran when the Germans owned it.

                  Last time I checked the Germans took the ash for farming, and its quite easy to see that farms exist to the north of the Krema 4 and 5. Now where exactly is your ash pit behind? Krema 4 & 5.

                  “But why human remains have been left lying in these pits for over 70 years is anyone’s guess. I can’t imagine any civilised human being – or any responsible organisation – permitting human remains to lie at the bottom of a semi-stagnant pond or a dried-out pit for decades on end. But then, maybe the Polish nation and the Auschwitz authorities are not civilised people at all.
                  How sad!”

                  It is sad… but I don’t see you complaining about the killing fields… full bodies have been laying in those pits for maybe 37 years now. They were not smashed up, and they make quite revealing photographs for what happened on that site. If you want to complain about Poland not being civilized then you also have to complain about Ukraine and Cambodia.

                  You would also have to complain about the American government… There are mass graves in Gettysburg still.

                  You cannot just put shame on one group for not being able to maintain an uncared for site.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 2:15 pm

                • To make it look like hundreds of thousands of people were killed and their ashes were scattered to the four winds is a bit o a stretch wouldn’t you say.
                  A million bodies x 8 lbs of ash per body thats a lot of ash…..Where are the teeth? Teeth don’t smash up to well.
                  Should be millions of teeth floating around but so far you haven’t showed any, not to mention tens of millions of them.
                  You keep trying to convince us that hundreds of thousands of people were killed here and have miserably failed.
                  How about showing us the recreated “gas” chamber in Auschwitz 1 that was constructed after the war…..holes in the roof cut in later, walls taken down inside, you know the Russian way of doing things to support the biggest lie of the twentieth century.

                  Jim Rizoli
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                  Comment by jim Rizoli — June 17, 2016 @ 2:32 pm

                • “To make it look like hundreds of thousands of people were killed and their ashes were scattered to the four winds is a bit o a stretch wouldn’t you say.”

                  I never said this did I? I said they were scattered into fields to the north… I never said they traveled via wind.

                  “A million bodies x 8 lbs of ash per body thats a lot of ash…..Where are the teeth? Teeth don’t smash up to well.”

                  Ever hear of cremation into ash? As well the dropping of bones and ash into a River which was close to the site? I don’t think you have read a thing I have written so far.

                  Also could you provide a source to show that teeth don’t smash well? Cause this video shows quite clearly it turns into Salt sized grains.

                  I only had to do a simple google search to prove you wrong. Exactly why you are an idiot.

                  “Should be millions of teeth floating around but so far you haven’t showed any, not to mention tens of millions of them.”

                  Watch the video.

                  “0:30
                  (recorder): That was to easy

                  (Person with hammer): wow teeth are really fragile.”

                  “You keep trying to convince us that hundreds of thousands of people were killed here and have miserably failed.”

                  I don’t need to convince you of shit… people can easily prove you to be a idiot as I have shown above.

                  “Teeth don’t smash well”

                  Really Jim? They don’t? can you prove this? cause 12 year olds just proved you wrong.

                  “How about showing us the recreated “gas” chamber in Auschwitz 1 that was constructed after the war…..holes in the roof cut in later, walls taken down inside, you know the Russian way of doing things to support the biggest lie of the twentieth century. ”

                  Irrelevant, you are just pushing a non-Issue. As you have just stated above. Its a reconstruction… As well the point it was build after the war is all the evidence needed to call your borderline Insanity.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

                • “Auschwitz history
                  Auschwitz was an enormous work camp at the confluence of several rivers and had been chosen by the senior SS establishment as a site for factories. It initially occupied the barracks of a former Imperial Austrian artillery unit, later taken over by the Poles.”

                  Jim It war a detainee camp (POW) at rights… Auschwitz 1… Auschwitz 2 (Labor & Extermination center)…. Auschwitz 3 was the only pure labor camp. Your Fact is off.

                  “There was an extensive and very important artificial rubber (Buna) factory and a large system designed to manufacture gasoline out of coal, that resource being plentiful in the region.”

                  don’t deniers generally argue that there wouldn’t be a sufficient fuel source for the ovens? Why exactly would they admit to this? This is a fuel source, they could easily make pyres and burning pits if they had this as their supply.

                  “After the introduction of Soviet prisoners of war post June, 1941, terrible outbreaks of typhus occurred in Auschwitz and the death tolls were enormous.”

                  Evidence for this outbreak? Most survivors of Auschwitz that I hear from didn’t get Typhus until they reached a camp like Dachau. If I remember correctly Mel didn’t get typhus in auschwitz, but in another camp.

                  Also this is way to early on for an outbreak. Hoess says the outbreak happened in 1942. You have to prove it though Jim, since your not going to use eye witnesses or Hoess, when did it happen then?

                  “Because the SS rented their prisoners out to over a hundred small German firms, it was imperative for them to take steps to halt this typhus epidemic. This was never completely accomplished and inmates transferred from Auschwitz to other camps merely spread the disease.”

                  So the hospitals worked to help people huh? Last time I checked they were doing medical experiments. With exception to Auschwitz 1 & 3… So they were not making two children into one body?

                  “Plans of the Auschwitz camp exist and it can be said categorically that no gas chambers for the killing of any prisoners existed in the camp. What did exist were rather small delousing chambers to kill the lice carrying typhus that could be found in the clothing of newly-arrived Polish and Russian prisoners.”

                  You need to prove this Jim… At this point your entire history you just wrote is as idiotic as the tooth smashing issue you tried to create.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 9:43 am

                • You wrote: “Most survivors of Auschwitz that I hear from didn’t get Typhus until they reached a camp like Dachau.”

                  You are correct that there was a typhus epidemic at Dachau. I wrote about this on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/aftermath01.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 18, 2016 @ 10:46 am

                • So just like a flu outbreak,typhus epidemic could drop a lot of people too,right?

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 11:37 am

                • Auschwitz was an enormous work camp at the confluence of several rivers and had been chosen by the senior SS establishment as a site for factories. It initially occupied the barracks of a former Imperial Austrian artillery unit, later taken over by the Poles.

                              There was an extensive and very important artificial rubber (Buna) factory and a large system designed to manufacture gasoline out of coal, that resource being plentiful in the region.

                              After the introduction of Soviet prisoners of war post June, 1941, terrible outbreaks of typhus occurred in Auschwitz and the death tolls were enormous.

                              Because the SS rented their prisoners out to over a hundred small German firms, it was imperative for them to take steps to halt this typhus epidemic. This was never completely accomplished and inmates transferred from Auschwitz to other camps merely spread the disease.

                              Rumors were begun in 1942-1943 by British intelligence, that “many thousands” of Jewish prisoners were being gassed in huge “gas chambers” and their bodies burnt.

                  It is entirely true that any prisoner in German custody, be them political prisoners, professional criminals or Jews, were cremated upon their death and, at least in the beginning, their ashes sent to their families. During the war this was not possible and ashes were merely dumped into a nearby river. It is important to note that it was absolutely vital to cremate the infected corpses of the many typhus victims and this may well have been the origin of the gas chamber/cremation story now being put about by Soviet propagandists.

                              Plans of the Auschwitz camp exist and it can be said categorically that no gas chambers for the killing of any prisoners existed in the camp. What did exist were rather small delousing chambers to kill the lice carrying typhus that could be found in the clothing of newly-arrived Polish and Russian prisoners.

                              Inmate clothing was confiscated and shipped to Germany as raw material and each inmate was issued clean prison garb. Also, the heads of all arriving prisoners were shaved to prevent the spread of body lice and all inmates were subject to showers with medicated soap whose purpose was to kill any lice remaining on the body.

                              Now, DDT is used for this purpose but this compound did not exist in Germany at the time. Apparently the soap was not entirely effective and permitted the spread of typhus in the camps

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 18, 2016 @ 11:44 am

                • “Auschwitz was an enormous work camp at the confluence of several rivers and had been chosen by the senior SS establishment as a site for factories. It initially occupied the barracks of a former Imperial Austrian artillery unit, later taken over by the Poles.”

                  You’ve already said this.

                  “There was an extensive and very important artificial rubber (Buna) factory and a large system designed to manufacture gasoline out of coal, that resource being plentiful in the region.”

                  So, not only do we have coal to burn bodies but liquid fuel as well. So much for the argument their wasn’t enough fuel to burn corpses.

                  “After the introduction of Soviet prisoners of war post June, 1941, terrible outbreaks of typhus occurred in Auschwitz and the death tolls were enormous.”

                  Technically large numbers didn’t appear until September of 1941. This corresponds with the first gassing experiments.

                  “Because the SS rented their prisoners out to over a hundred small German firms, it was imperative for them to take steps to halt this typhus epidemic. This was never completely accomplished and inmates transferred from Auschwitz to other camps merely spread the disease.”

                  Well, the prisoners they didn’t gas right away.

                  “Rumors were begun in 1942-1943 by British intelligence, that “many thousands” of Jewish prisoners were being gassed in huge “gas chambers” and their bodies burnt.”

                  Actually this was not rumors “begun by British Intelligence” but information obtained by the Polish Underground transmitted to the British.

                  “It is entirely true that any prisoner in German custody, be them political prisoners, professional criminals or Jews, were cremated upon their death and, at least in the beginning, their ashes sent to their families.”

                  For Auschwitz? Prove it.

                  “During the war this was not possible and ashes were merely dumped into a nearby river.”

                  Wow, we now have a denier source saying that the ashes were dumped in the river.
                  Why no whining, Jim? Real historians say the same.

                  “It is important to note that it was absolutely vital to cremate the infected corpses of the many typhus victims”

                  No argument there. It was just as important to cremate the victims of the gas chambers as well.

                  “and this may well have been the origin of the gas chamber/cremation story now being put about by Soviet propagandists.”

                  Wait, I thought it was the British. Didn’t you just say British? Which is it, Soviet or British?

                  “Plans of the Auschwitz camp exist and it can be said categorically that no gas chambers for the killing of any prisoners existed in the camp.”

                  Blue prints of the morgues changed to gas chambers say otherwise.
                  Also, those gas chambers existed in Auschwitz-Birkenau. Your source just says Auschwitz.

                  “What did exist were rather small delousing chambers to kill the lice carrying typhus that could be found in the clothing of newly-arrived Polish and Russian prisoners.”

                  Why no mention of Jews? Can the author not say “Jews?” Does the author deny that Jews were incarcerated in the camp?

                  “Inmate clothing was confiscated and shipped to Germany as raw material and each inmate was issued clean prison garb. Also, the heads of all arriving prisoners were shaved to prevent the spread of body lice”

                  The gassing victims were also shaved and the hair used for industrial purposes.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 18, 2016 @ 12:53 pm

                • You said they bought in ruskie POWs. I’m guessing that’s what you meant by,”the introduction of”. If that’s the case then they could’ve bought in s ton of funky ass hoof and mouth shit. This brings me to another question off this topic. Still deals with the ruskies. These POWs were at the camps they say had gas houses? That correct? I’m asking because,have any ruskies ever been called to testify? If they were at prisons that had gas houses,wouldn’t the prosecution want them on the wit stand to say what happened there? Not all the prisons had gas houses,right? I saw where they had prisons by the boatload. Now if they were truly trying to drop every Jew in Europe ,wouldn’t it have made sense to have gas facilities at every prison. I’m not talking about death row here in Texas or California . By comparison,they are only a handful . With all the appeals,it’s gonna take awhile to run these prisoners through the system. As far as I know,none of these Jews or other people got appeals. So wouldn’t it make sense to turn all those prisons into death row. I mean they supposedly wanted them gone ASAP.

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 2:42 pm

                • “So just like a flu outbreak,typhus epidemic could drop a lot of people too,right?”

                  Oh, yes. The inmates and guards were both at risk, as were other civilians.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 18, 2016 @ 12:36 pm

                • Exactly my point, and it shows that Jim doesn’t care about real history. Typhus outbreaks in Auschwitz didn’t happen till 1942 and Jim is trying to make a narrative.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 12:31 pm

                • You just admitted that typhus epidemic broke out in Auschwitz 1942 so what’s the problem.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 18, 2016 @ 12:40 pm

                • “You just admitted that typhus epidemic broke out in Auschwitz 1942 so what’s the problem.
                  JR”

                  You said they happened in July 1941, and yet its complete bullshit. While some people died of typhus at auschwitz, its been said that it was a very small number. Most inmates of Auschiwitz whom were not liberated died of Typhus in 45, as part of Eichmanns death marches or at areas like Dachau. Its just your creating a narrative for your own interest. Just like when you said it was hard to smash a tooth.

                  As well the documentation which I have provided as my source for a 42 outbreak states 1.13 million people died at auschwitz, and that there were gassings. Even in block 11 (which is supported by the Krakow Report). Its your just building your own shell. That shell is called a Conformation Bias, and you will remove all other evidence that goes against you ether by poor rationalization or by the logical fallacy of “Falsus in uno”. Read my post which attacks a few of your points.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 12:46 pm

                • Oh please…..the point is there were no mass gassings but plenty of people died of sickness and disease.

                  JR

                  Comment by jim Rizoli — June 18, 2016 @ 1:19 pm

                • “Oh please…..the point is there were no mass gassings but plenty of people died of sickness and disease.
                  JR”

                  Bullshit, you would have to prove it and scholars have shown quite well your full of it. You have no evidence against documentation and documentation points the rooms labeled Morgue 1 for 2 & 3 were used for gassings. As well Photographs show quite well that holes in the roof existed.

                  There was mass murder and you cannot prove it wrong. So you make up stupid excuses like “Teeth don’t smash well” to try and force Anti-revisionist to try and explain the lack of teeth.

                  “26th of February 1943, 20 after 6:00 p.m.

                  Telegram to Topfwerke Erfurt.

                  ‘Send immediately ten gas detectors. Invoice us later.

                  Signed, Pollok, S.S. Untersturmfuhrer.”

                  Why would the crematoriums need gas detectors Jim? Why?

                  As well plenty of reports exist on Auschwitz from during the war which accurately describe gassing’s, with some exaggeration. An example of this is the Vrba–Wetzler report.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 1:43 pm

                • No offense but you can’t be that stupid….so go back to bed….
                  Here is a miracle upon miracles.
                  Quote from Wike-judia
                  In a single 14-hour workday, 12,000 to 15,000 people would be killed at any one of these camps.
                  The capacity of the crematoria at Birkenau was 20,000 bodies per day.
                  Show me the long lines of people standing in line to welcome this event….LOL
                  Show me how it all happened in those nasty gas chambers….
                  Show me how you can cremate all those bodies in the time span they say….
                  The Germans weren’t murderers they must of been magicians….LOL

                  Talk about dreaming…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jim Rizoli — June 18, 2016 @ 2:32 pm

                • No offense but you can’t be that stupid….so go back to bed….
                  “Here is a miracle upon miracles.
                  Quote from Wike-judia
                  In a single 14-hour workday, 12,000 to 15,000 people would be killed at any one of these camps.
                  The capacity of the crematoria at Birkenau was 20,000 bodies per day.
                  Show me the long lines of people standing in line to welcome this event….LOL
                  Show me how it all happened in those nasty gas chambers….
                  Show me how you can cremate all those bodies in the time span they say….
                  The Germans weren’t murderers they must of been magicians….LOL”

                  Post the link to Wikipedia, Jim.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 18, 2016 @ 2:36 pm

                • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_train

                  Go down to journey in article….
                  Pure nonsense….Hard to believe an intelligent guy like you can believe this rubbish.

                  JR

                  Comment by jim Rizoli — June 18, 2016 @ 2:42 pm

                • “No offense but you can’t be that stupid….so go back to bed….”

                  Might I again quote you?

                  “A million bodies x 8 lbs of ash per body thats a lot of ash…..Where are the teeth? Teeth don’t smash up to well.”

                  You have stated quite idiotic things and push the idea that the Brits faked the extermination, all I have done is provided early reports which existed. They are accurate as human memory can be. Its human memory which these reports rely on. It cannot be relied on as complete fact, but is a good enough show of what was going on during the time.

                  The Report from Vrba–Wetzler mentioned 4 crematoriums in auschwitz birkenau, which is accurate, considering that they didn’t work inside the crematorium. Their layout drawing is rather accurate as well considering they didn’t work in them as well. By the time they were in the camp the blind was put up, so accurately marking Krema 2 & 3 seems impossible. They completely relied off a sonderkommando named Filip Müller, which I think needs nothing more to expand on.

                  “Quote from Wike-judia”

                  *Wikipedia. . . Its still more accurate then Metapedia…

                  Anyway perhaps you should have read the entire article as well.

                  “It also contained sketches and information about the layout of the gas chambers. In a deposition for the trial of Adolf Eichmann in 1961, and in his book I Cannot Forgive (1964), Vrba said that he and Wetzler obtained the information about the gas chambers and crematoria from the Sonderkommando Filip Müller and his colleagues, who worked there. Müller confirmed Vrba’s story in his Eyewitness Auschwitz (1979).”

                  My point exactly is show. Relies off Testimony.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 3:19 pm

                • You can read it here, and I ran it through some corrections.

                  “Auschwitz history
                  Auschwitz was an enormous work camp at the confluence of several rivers and had been chosen by the senior SS establishment as a site for factories. It initially occupied the barracks of a former Imperial Austrian artillery unit, later taken over by the Poles.”

                  Jim It was a detainee camp (POW) at first (Auschwitz 1)… Auschwitz 2 (Labor & Extermination center)…. Auschwitz 3 was the only pure labor camp. Your Fact is off.

                  “There was an extensive and very important artificial rubber (Buna) factory and a large system designed to manufacture gasoline out of coal, that resource being plentiful in the region.”

                  Don’t deniers generally argue that there wouldn’t be a sufficient fuel source for the ovens? Why exactly would they admit to this? This is a fuel source, they could easily make pyres and burning pits if they had this as their supply.

                  “After the introduction of Soviet prisoners of war post June, 1941, terrible outbreaks of typhus occurred in Auschwitz and the death tolls were enormous.”

                  Evidence for this outbreak? Most survivors of Auschwitz that I hear from didn’t get Typhus until they reached a camp like Dachau. If I remember correctly Mel didn’t get typhus in auschwitz, but in another camp.

                  Also this is way to early on for an outbreak. Hoess says the outbreak happened in 1942. You have to prove it though Jim, since your not going to use eye witnesses or Hoess, when did it happen then?

                  Also very few people in Auschwitz died of Typhus when compared to deliberate murder.

                  “Because the SS rented their prisoners out to over a hundred small German firms, it was imperative for them to take steps to halt this typhus epidemic. This was never completely accomplished and inmates transferred from Auschwitz to other camps merely spread the disease.”

                  So the hospitals worked to help people huh? Last time I checked they were doing medical experiments. With exception to Auschwitz 1 & 3… So they were not making two children into one cohesive body?

                  “Plans of the Auschwitz camp exist and it can be said categorically that no gas chambers for the killing of any prisoners existed in the camp. What did exist were rather small delousing chambers to kill the lice carrying typhus that could be found in the clothing of newly-arrived Polish and Russian prisoners.”

                  You need to prove this Jim… At this point your entire history you just wrote is as idiotic as the tooth smashing issue you tried to create.

                  You have to prove that the diagrams of before the war exist. As far as I can tell Morgue 1 on the map has ventilation, as well the orders for gas detectors and a gas tight door don’t exactly fit what you claim. You want to see these documents then you can look at Mr Death.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 12:54 pm

                • ” Rumors were begun in 1942-1943 by British intelligence, that “many thousands” of Jewish prisoners were being gassed in huge “gas chambers” and their bodies burnt.”

                  Also, have you read the Irving Trial transcript? Irving used to push this idea, and the documentary from Nova (Holocaust on Trial) even mentioned this. Its only a claim and is very inaccurate. Only someone not informed would say this. The Polish underground would be a better choice to blame, as they made some of the earliest reports on the holocaust, a perfect example is the Witold’s Report.

                  https://archive.org/details/WITOLDREPORT

                  I’m saying you would have any evidence they made the Holocaust up, but it still a more logical argument. If you don’t know anything about his report, then just read the description from the archive.org link. Anyway its the only online version of his report that I am aware of, so sorry about that. It doesn’t include the photos.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 18, 2016 @ 1:11 pm

                • Click writes;- ” but I don’t see you complaining about the killing fields… full bodies have been laying in those pits for maybe 37 years now. They were not smashed up, and they make quite revealing photographs for what happened on that site. ”

                  This is news to me – are you saying that there are full bodies lying in pits at Auschwitz/Biirkenau ? Does one know the actual location of these pits, and do we know the total number of bodies found within. When was the archaeological dig undertaken and the forensic work done – and who carried it out.

                  One presumes that these mass pits were carefully demarcated for posterity and the sites maintained as a formal burial ground – is that correct ?

                  Comment by Talbot — June 17, 2016 @ 2:44 pm

                • She’s talking about Cambodia (I think).

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 2:53 pm

                • “This is news to me – are you saying that there are full bodies lying in pits at Auschwitz/Biirkenau ?”

                  Read the post again… Read the entire thing and don’t cut the quote. You will see its from CAMBODIA. Its not related in anyway to Auschwitz. I mentioned the killing fields simply to make a point. You want to complain about poland you have to complain about there as well.

                  I have to say this is a very selective quote, go back and look over the post again.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 2:53 pm

                • OK – fair enough, you are talking about Cambodia for comparison purposes.

                  But are we really talking like-with-like here. The Killing Fields of Cambodia lie deep in the under-developed jungles of Indo-China – whereas Auschwitz is situated in the heart of Europe, in the middle of a major industrial region, and at the hub of vast railway network. In addition – ever since the late-1940’s – the Auschwitz/Birkenau complex has been run by the Polish State who have allocated money, resources and personnel into maintaining its infrastructure ( or that’s what we have been led to believe ).

                  You also mentioned Gettysburg. But have the human remains there been left scattered around the area, or have they been buried in proper mass graves.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 17, 2016 @ 3:29 pm

                • “The Killing Fields of Cambodia lie deep in the under-developed jungles of Indo-China – whereas Auschwitz is situated in the heart of Europe, in the middle of a major industrial region, and at the hub of vast railway network.”

                  And the Mass Graves in Ukraine from the Holodomor? This is located in an industrialized nation which is arguably just as well off as Poland. Also if Cambodia can put efforts into ridding itself of all the guns from the conflict then they can dig up a few graves.

                  “In addition – ever since the late-1940’s – the Auschwitz/Birkenau complex has been run by the Polish State who have allocated money, resources and personnel into maintaining its infrastructure ( or that’s what we have been led to believe ).”

                  Alright? And what about Ukraine? I has a good number of mass graves within its own borders. Its just poor logic to conclude that since its a western nation that they should dig up the graves. This has been your argument.

                  “You also mentioned Gettysburg. But have the human remains there been left scattered around the area, or have they been buried in proper mass graves.”

                  The mass graves are located all over the site, and while their bones are not scattered, the location of where they are is known. The American government dug back up all the known union graves during the war and made a cemetery at gettysburg. They had the ability during the 1800’s to dig up these known graves and its been well over 100 years. Its just one thing that gives a great show of your arguments limitations. If an 1800’s western nation could do it then why could a modern 3rd world nation not do it? They have the materials to do it and they know where the mass graves are. Why are they not just as guilty? They are still putting these people on Trial for their crimes. And their victims are still in the ground just as bundled up as the graves in Treblinka.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 3:44 pm

                • It’s the same at Birkenau as Gettysburg.

                  Human remains scattered, mass graves.

                  Erosion is going to expose things decades after the event.

                  Gettysburg only lasted a few days, Auschwitz operated for five years. There is no comparison to the amount of dead.
                  The Germans also burned those bodies, the dead at Gettysburg were buried.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 3:46 pm

                • Finally one that I have a personal interest in. Pol Pot ran that show. He got a blessing right from Hanoi on that one . I ain’t gonna argue wether that took place or not. His main interest was the Yards ( Montagnards ). Any other killings,Hanoi looked the other way. Him and his asshole Khmer buddies had it pretty sweet for awhile. Hanoi even gave a bounty to cops in Thailand and Cambodia for each Dega they killed. They were the original peoples of Nam. Hanoi couldn’t deal with that,so they wanted them gone. Side note here. The BS scene in apocalypse now where Brando had all the highlanders (yards) working for him,was just that. BS. It’s possible my name might be on “The Wall”,if we didn’t work with the Yards on long range patrol. Probably be a lot more names on The Wall,if it wasn’t for them. It was a heartbreaking ending. We pulled out,but left them to fend for themselves. Some years back 5th Special Forces Association ( I think it was them. Go to their Montagnards website for the full story) bought a 100 acres around Ft. Bragg. They started to get the Yards over here to America . The acreage was bought for them. Clinton may have been a dodge drafting prick,but I admire him for doing the right thing when it came to the Yards. He was signing off on papers to get them over here. Next subject I’ll be going off on is,genocide of the Mayans in Guatemala . I have a personal interest there. A Mayan works for me.

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 4:52 pm

                • Click – you do seem to jump around the world a lot in your attempts to mask the inadequacies of the criminal Auschwitz authorities in Poland. I see that you are now in the Ukraine!

                  But you also say;-

                  ” The American government dug back up all the known union graves during the war and made a cemetery at Gettysburg. They had the ability during the 1800’s to dig up these known graves and its been well over 100 years…”

                  Well, one has to ask why the Auschwitz guardians didn’t do the same at the sites that they were responsible for. The marker stones that they have erected at the so-called Field of Ashes, the Ash Ponds, and Ash Pits would indicate that they knew exactly where sizeable quantities of human remains lay semi-buried, and yet decided not to exhume them and bury them properly in a mass grave or specially-built mausoleum.

                  But of course, there are no human remains or ashes buried or scattered around the Auschwitz complex, because it was not an extermination center at all, but a network of concentration and labour camps.

                  This thread has gone on far too long now – I shall bow at this stage – Cheers.

                  Comment by Talbot — June 17, 2016 @ 4:24 pm

                • “you do seem to jump around the world a lot in your attempts to mask the inadequacies of the criminal Auschwitz authorities in Poland. I see that you are now in the Ukraine! ”

                  The Point still stands… I also mention Ukraine in post which I provide the complaint of the killing fields originally. Its that you have ignored the point in general. Its very simple. Just cause poland doesn’t dig up the bones doesn’t mean the same thing isn’t true for other nations. You have no room to complain, as you don’t even believe in the means of these peoples death. I also remember quite well you tried to deny their graves even existed. So cut the crap.

                  “Well, one has to ask why the Auschwitz guardians didn’t do the same at the sites that they were responsible for.”

                  I get this, but the point still stands regardless. If you are to get nasty with poland over this, then you would also have to be nasty with America, Cambodia, and Ukraine.

                  “The marker stones that they have erected at the so-called Field of Ashes, the Ash Ponds, and Ash Pits would indicate that they knew exactly where sizeable quantities of human remains lay semi-buried, and yet decided not to exhume them and bury them properly in a mass grave or specially-built mausoleum.”

                  Gettysburg also doesn’t dig up the mass graves. Its a Museum as well… They don’t even put up markers by the way, they just go an mark it with a few trees. As shown in my original post.

                  “But of course, there are no human remains or ashes buried or scattered around the Auschwitz complex, because it was not an extermination center at all, but a network of concentration and labour camps.”

                  I have shown you plenty of photos with show bones. This can be tossed aside. As well 2 of them were taken in the areas of Krema 4 & 5.

                  “This thread has gone on far too long now – I shall bow at this stage – Cheers.”

                  Its mostly cause you can’t even fit anything in your head… but alright… have fun with your exit, unknown to you there is no real audience or stage.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 17, 2016 @ 4:39 pm

                • “”But of course, there are no human remains or ashes buried or scattered around the Auschwitz complex, because it was not an extermination center at all, but a network of concentration and labour camps.”

                  That’s amazing because you’ve been shown bone fragments at Birkenau all afternoon.

                  It always fascinates me how you make pronouncements with no proof.

                  Birkenau was an extermination center. Just because you don’t want it to be doesn’t make that truth go away.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 17, 2016 @ 6:12 pm

                • Some facts that Jeff doesn’t want to deal with

                  Auschwitz history
                  Auschwitz was an enormous work camp at the confluence of several rivers and had been chosen by the senior SS establishment as a site for factories. It initially occupied the barracks of a former Imperial Austrian artillery unit, later taken over by the Poles.

                              There was an extensive and very important artificial rubber (Buna) factory and a large system designed to manufacture gasoline out of coal, that resource being plentiful in the region.

                              After the introduction of Soviet prisoners of war post June, 1941, terrible outbreaks of typhus occurred in Auschwitz and the death tolls were enormous.

                              Because the SS rented their prisoners out to over a hundred small German firms, it was imperative for them to take steps to halt this typhus epidemic. This was never completely accomplished and inmates transferred from Auschwitz to other camps merely spread the disease.

                              Rumors were begun in 1942-1943 by British intelligence, that “many thousands” of Jewish prisoners were being gassed in huge “gas chambers” and their bodies burnt.

                  It is entirely true that any prisoner in German custody, be them political prisoners, professional criminals or Jews, were cremated upon their death and, at least in the beginning, their ashes sent to their families. During the war this was not possible and ashes were merely dumped into a nearby river. It is important to note that it was absolutely vital to cremate the infected corpses of the many typhus victims and this may well have been the origin of the gas chamber/cremation story now being put about by Soviet propagandists.

                              Plans of the Auschwitz camp exist and it can be said categorically that no gas chambers for the killing of any prisoners existed in the camp. What did exist were rather small delousing chambers to kill the lice carrying typhus that could be found in the clothing of newly-arrived Polish and Russian prisoners.

                              Inmate clothing was confiscated and shipped to Germany as raw material and each inmate was issued clean prison garb. Also, the heads of all arriving prisoners were shaved to prevent the spread of body lice and all inmates were subject to showers with medicated soap whose purpose was to kill any lice remaining on the body.

                              Now, DDT is used for this purpose but this compound did not exist in Germany at the time. Apparently the soap was not entirely effective and permitted the spread of typhus in the camps.

                              Political Analysis

                              The Soviets are deeply concerned with the U.S. use, and intended use, of former German military and security personnel. In order to counter what they see as a potential threat from their former, bitter enemies, they have embarked on a campaign very similar to ones used by British propagandists in the 1914-1918. The similarities are quite remarkable all in all, Then, the German were accused of raping nuns, cutting off their hands, throwing babies up into the air and catching them on bayonets and other fabrications.

                              Much of this was taken, in toto, from reports on Belgian atrocities in the Congo some time before.

                              The British also introduced the story about turning human bodies into soap by rendering their fat. This same story became prevalent during their anti-German campaigns during the late conflict.

                              It is interesting to note that there is a considerable body of evidence that the British authorities utilized the services of  GLÜCKS in setting up British detention centers in Palestine during their on-going war with Zionist terrorist groups prior to the creation of the current state of Israel.

                              There is no effective way of dealing with this anti-German propaganda. It is considered unproductive to make any attempt at refutation of the growing legends because the world-wide Jewish community is now supporting and exploiting the Soviet propaganda and are obviously utilizing it for their own ends.

                              Since a significant number of former German SS and SD personnel are now employed by American intelligence, it is recommended that any material concerning the use of these individuals be strictly limited in its dissemination and that any records now extant be accorded the greatest security protection.

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 17, 2016 @ 6:37 pm

                • I think that you have everything right about Auschwitz and the other camps.

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 17, 2016 @ 7:17 pm

                • Are you sure that the person that wrote that didn’t distort historical documents to come to that conclusion?

                  Comment by Jeff K — June 18, 2016 @ 7:06 am

                • DNA. Has that ever been used? Mass graves. Unless they’ve been consistently excavated and covered back up,the skeletal structure is gonna be pretty much intact. You can take samples from each corpse. If there’s as many survivors out there,step the f–k up to the plate. Give then their chance to swing. Take their DNA sample and catalog it. If there’s that many damn stiffs as they say there is,someone (probably more than one) is gonna hit a home run. Yes I know. You probably can’t match everyone ( live or dead) to someone else. Tell the survivors,”get up off your fat ass and give us a sample”. If they wish to decline,tell them to sit the f–k down and shut up. Their input is no longer welcome. Well they wouldn’t wish to contributing to helping close this shit out once and for all,then their input ain’t welcome. Everyone claims to know where the mass graves are at. I got a Cat 416f center pivot,backhoe/front end loader I use to load my grain truck up that scatters the feed in my feed bunks. They’re more than welcome to use it. DNA is about 99.999% percent accuracy or like I heard someone put it one time,”it’s like the finger of God pointing at you”. Now I’ve heard after 150 to 200 years,DNA is classified as “ancient DNA”. Something to do with the sequencing getting out of whack . It can still be used though. In this case were dealing with DNA that is 70 plus years old. We’re still good to go there . Yes. This would be a lengthy process. Yes,it would cost a piss pot load of money. I’ve got the solution there. We’re gonna see if the Jews “really want justice or if it’s just the money”. That’s right. All the money they get,will now go to the archeological digs. Well do they want to shut all the deniers down? Here’s their chance. There’s no way in hell,you can sit and tell me matching anyone would be impossible. Someone survivor has got to match DNA on a corpse somewhere. Even if it’s only one match. That should go a long way to proving something . Shit! Doesn’t “anyone here” ever think it would be nice to resolve all this BS? I had an older brother ( I say older because he was a patch holder for the Outlaws in the late 60’s. FDLE and the Sheriffs department put a case on his chapter. They show up to serve warrants and not everyone wanted to go. He was one that didn’t . I’m sure you can do the math from there). Now when me and my brother would start bickering,dad would either step in and knock heads ,or send us out back to scrap it out. We’d compromise a lot. It’s better than a knock upside the head. Someone here has been going at it with someone over documents . Documents are easy to forge. On either side. Memories mostly go to shit with people (not everyone) the older they get. I know first hand how “testimony” can be f–ked with to no end. People are gonna believe what they want. Their minds are made up and no one gonna say or do any different. Here’s perfect example. A few bad cops drop a few blacks for no reason . Now every cop in the world is crooked. Can’t tell those cry babies any different . You pretty much got the same shit here. Every human on this planet is flawed like a mutha f–ker. Those flaws show up here like a fat f–kin dog. Passion. There’s to much of it here. On both sides. Emotions enter and shit goes out the window. You can’t say it isn’t present . Hell,it sticks out like a sore thumb in a lot of the responses. That’s why I’m saying,everyone needs to start bringing more science into this. It’s kinda hard to buck science. DNA has been proven effective. I’m sick of hearing people cite experts. Yeah everyone’s a God damn expert. Show me someone one who knows a 100% of the subject they speak of and I’ll believe them. Until then they can get the hell on down the road. F–k them. Let’s science the living hell outta this. Like I said I don’t take sides here. I’m just trying to figure this shit out . There’s so much confusion and conjecture here,it’s damn near impossible . I really don’t think either side wants to come to a conclusion of any kind. Truth be known,hebs are probably laughing themselves senseless over this shit. They probably think they got a shitload of trained monkeys jumping around everytime they throw something new into the mix. I’m talking about everybody in the world,that’s involved in this shit.

                  Comment by Tim — June 18, 2016 @ 9:36 am

              • Lol that’s pretty fucking funny Joe!!! You truely outdid yourself! First you start with claiming Rudolf supports your claim of an explosion, now you’re claim the US declared war on Germany first.😄 fucking perfect!

                “The Russians have no credibility, wouldn’t waste my time with them or anything they have to say.
                JR”

                Sorry Jimster but your reliability is not there! Go running to Burg and learn something closer to fact then fucking Leuchter could ever write! You make the Soviet’s look 1000 times more accurate!

                Comment by Lóegaire — June 15, 2016 @ 7:21 pm

                • How about getting straight who you’re talking to I’m Jim by the way I’m not Joe.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 7:26 pm

                • Watch your language little lady. Censor yourself if your gonna use the real harsh words. The ruskies have no credibility,for the simple fact they can’t be trusted. Force is the only thing they understand. If need be,they’ll use it to bring a person around to their way of thinking. From where I stand,they were just a big of an enemy that the nips were to us in ww2. Uncivilized savages is all they were. Murdering child rapists . If we didn’t want to side with Germany fine,but all we did was f–k ourselves when we played ball with the ruskies

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 6:38 am

                • Says the guy who refers to others as “Jew bitch”.

                  Comment by Anonymous — June 16, 2016 @ 11:35 pm

                • “Watch your language little lady. Censor yourself if your gonna use the real harsh words. The ruskies have no credibility,for the simple fact they can’t be trusted. Force is the only thing they understand. If need be,they’ll use it to bring a person around to their way of thinking. From where I stand,they were just a big of an enemy that the nips were to us in ww2. Uncivilized savages is all they were. Murdering child rapists . If we didn’t want to side with Germany fine,but all we did was f–k ourselves when we played ball with the ruskies”

                  Your mistaking me for click…

                  Comment by Lóegaire — June 17, 2016 @ 3:13 pm

                • My bad. I was helping the company rep install a new squeeze chute I bought. Doing 2 things at once. I’m getting too old to be multi tasking. However our pal click ( if that’s his name).Click sits right in the middle of what looks like letters from the Cyrillic alphabet. Those letters could be his real name. At any rate he’s conversing in a civilized tone. He ain’t letting any one set him off.

                  Comment by Tim — June 17, 2016 @ 4:30 pm

                • All Is good. I’m playing an observer here anyway.

                  Comment by Lóegaire — June 18, 2016 @ 12:35 pm

              • Couldn’t give a rats ass! How about you just admit you don’t research seriously… At all.

                Your responses are always following the same suit. He’ll finally someone comes along who insults you less then I fucking do and you just play a god damn Gish gallop. You keep dancing around the fucking problem as always.

                Give one reason the Gas vans didn’t exist, it has to be real evidence. Not your adverage shit. I let you off with Majdanek.

                Comment by Lóegaire — June 15, 2016 @ 7:34 pm

                • Back again different name….Anon

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — June 15, 2016 @ 7:37 pm

              • I changed it as of a request of this blogs owner Jim. Which means you don’t even read for shit!

                Comment by Lóegaire — June 15, 2016 @ 8:04 pm

        • Talbot, also why exactly are you not impressed with Yad Vashems work? It means that IHR has lost big time. It’s even more of a hurtful impact then Mel Mermelstein… This time it’s not just a few names. This time it’s 4.5 million names.

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 15, 2016 @ 9:07 pm

          • Yad Vashem is an Israeli and international Jewish sponsored organisation which has a vested interest in propagating the holocaust story. Which is quite fair enough – that is how they choose to view their own history. But for the rest of us, we have to take on board the fact that this institution has a powerful political agenda, and it does not necessarily provide an independent nor impartial record of that traumatic period in the 20th century.

            4.5 million names is certainly an impressive total – but how do we know for certain that these people all perished between the years 1933 and 1945 ( which is what the holocaust proponents claim is the duration of their “holocaust” ). I would submit that there were vast numbers of Jews who finished up dispersed far and wide across the world during this period and afterwards.

            For me, these names are not conclusive of anything at all. As Jim Rizoli said earlier, the names could well be repeat ones, with different spellings. How we do know that “survivors” who finished up in many different countries after the war was over sent in details of the very same person. In addition, they themselves had no idea at all if the people they were documenting had perished or were still alive in some other part of the world, and possibly living under a different name.

            If the Yad Vashem list of names has further details of the people’s ages when they disappeared – and more importantly, their actual former addresses where they lived, then maybe the list will have more credibility. But even then, there is no conclusive proof that these folk perished. I suspect that a sizeable number of them were still alive after the war was over.

            Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 4:20 am

            • So because a Jewish nation runs it, you refuse to believe it? So that would mean if Yad vashem found irrefutable evidence for the holocaust you would not believe it?

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 4:52 am

              • Looking back

                The HoloHoax…looking back…

                Think about it……out of the twenty or so Germans that were put on trial during the Nuremberg trials half of them were executed immediately after conviction and the other half received long sentences.. Why was that? For the executed ones…they had to eliminate any trace of those who might come back later telling the truth.
                So all the evidence is gone, no one to let the cat out of the bag later on. What type of court system would allow this to happen today?
                If this happened today they would of been convicted and immediately an appeal would of been allowed and several years would of gone by before the end result of execution would of taken place. The Hoax had to be contained by eliminating the true evidence that would definitely come out later on.

                Think about Richard Baer the last commandant of Auschwitz….He was to be put on trial later but he mysteriously died before the trial….Hmmmm pretty suspicious….. was suicide….a strapping healthy man committing suicide or even dying of natural cases…not likely. He was going to be the last tie into what the truth was in Auschwitz…..what did he see? Nothing unusual, and that would of been a big problem for the HooHuxsters…So for all you Holhuxsters or believers here what do you think about that.

                This is called a BIG coverup of the truth, but thats ok because you are more concerned with what you feel happened to the thousands of Jews that ended up nowhere when I’m more concerned with the liars and falsifiers of truth who cover up an event that they made up in the first place, to make the Germans look bad, to take the heat of the allies and the Soviets for the terrible war crimes that they perpetrated against the German people. The victors write the history and it will definitely cover up the truth of their short comings.

                This to me this what the Holohoax is about, it’s not about documents that can be forged, it’s not about HoloHoax liars who tell wild stories that can’t even be duplicated today if they tried. It’s about an event that was turned around to make an innocent party the (Germans) look guilty so they (HoloHuxsters) could manipulate peoples minds and hearts for years to come to direct world affairs to benefit one group of people (Jews) so they could terrorize whoever they want and suck millions of dollars out of Countries that have been made to feel guilty over something that they had no guilt to be ashamed of in the first place. They were duped BIG time…and the Jews laugh all the way to the bank.

                Jim Rizoli
                CCFIILE.COM

                Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 5:40 am

                • Hoess was never put the trial and was only shown as a witness, his memoirs put all your issues with the trial to rest. If they made it to the point of a rigged trial, then one much come to understand the important part. The Germans at Nuremberg generally didn’t deny the genocide. It was denial of responsibility.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 6:49 am

                • I’ve always tried to figure how they value one persons life from another ones. All these people were executed because of their involvement with the dead Hebs. Along comes Joachim Peiper. He and his men murdered POWs. I’ll admit that. I admire him,because unlike some of the douchebag COs I had in Nam,Joachim was going to take the heat for everything. He said his men did what they were ordered to do. They said he was responsible for 300 plus murders. That’s a far cry from the numbers the Jews belt out. Murder is still murder. Peiper only pulled 12 years in lock down. Why didn’t they string his ass up? Was it because they murdeted soldiers and some of those soldiers were black? What? A Jews life is more important than a black mans life. That’s what bothers me. If we’re gonna put someone on trial for murder,then they should all be given the same sentence. It’s kinda ironic how they never put him on trial in Italy. They didn’t have enough evidence to put a case on him there. Sounds a tad bit hinkey to me.

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 8:24 am

                • No, Tim, they were not all executed because of dead “hebs.”

                  There were four charges:

                  1) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace
                  2) Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace
                  3) War crimes
                  4) Crimes against humanity

                  Only the last charge really dealt with Jews but the trial looked at mass expulsions, crimes against Poles, that sort of thing.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 9:37 am

                • You wrote that there were four charges at Nuremberg. I wrote about the charges on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/the-nuremberg-show-trials-aka-the-nuremberg-international-military-tribunal/

                  Comment by furtherglory — June 16, 2016 @ 9:50 am

              • Not at all – if Yad Vashem or any other organisation came out with conclusive evidence that a genocide had taken place, then I would readily accept that. But they haven’t – and I suspect they can’t provide it either.

                But the tide of history is really on the side of the Revisionists, because they have heavyweight scholars and researchers who have done enormous amounts of solid work in this field and are questioning the official orthodoxy all the time. Mattogno, Graff, Kues, Rudolf, Berg, Kollerstrom, Leuchter are just some of the people who have done excellent work in this area, and they should be saluted for their efforts to bring some sanity, truth and common sense back into a subject that has completely spun out of control ever since those wretched Nuremburg Tribunals took place – followed by the splendidly absurd Eichmann Trial in 1960.

                Comment by Talbot — June 16, 2016 @ 6:38 am

                • So, when are these excellent “scholars” going to provide evidence of where the Jews went after they left the Reinhard Camps?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 6:48 am

                • There have been dozens of trials since the IMT, Talbot.
                  What about them?
                  Oh, do you still think the Isrealis didn’t execute Eichman?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 6:50 am

                • Read Pressac with an open mind, I mean by give it a full in depth read. Then read his Review of the Leuchter report on Phdn. Then read the pelt report. These three items trump any writings by Mattogno, Rudolf, or Burg.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 6:52 am

                • Oh, I just sent you proof that your excellent “scholar” Mattogono doctored evidence.

                  Does that make him a Jew?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 6:52 am

            • What about the number the Jew almanac has recorded in the difference of world Jew population before and after the war? It’s not even close to a million. Those numbers come from the Hebs themselves.

              Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 7:52 am

              • That’s a rather old and tired piece of denier crap, Tim:

                http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html

                Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 8:35 am

                • Back the f–k off Jeffrey . Don’t call me denier. I told you all ready I look at both sides . I draw my own conclusions . I’m not one of the sheep that follows a herd. I’ve always took my own path. If you don’t understand why I bring something up,ask. That’s not hard to do. The book was written by the Hebs. So you say their lying now. Just because there’s some jag off little boy on here,who feels the need to insult everyone,because they don’t want to accept his accounting of history,doesn’t make him right. I don’t even know what his name is. It looks like it’s written in Cyrillic. Sorry. I don’t read ruskie. I don’t sit and insult people that hold different views from me. I’ve see what happens when two nations think their system is better than the other . It just leads to high body counts on either side. I’ve told you before,I don’t always agree with what either side says here and that includes you. I’m not gonna sit and act like the scorned school girl,just because someone don’t agree with me ( that’s just how your Cyrillic buddy acts. People ain’t on board with him,so he’s gonna cry)

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 9:52 am

                • BTW Jeff . I’ll give you kudos. You said one time,”you’re a one man band on here”. That was until this cheese dick showed up. I admired the hell outta you for keeping your composure. You never once got disrespectful towards folks that didn’t hold your views on the this subject . Takes a big person to do that .

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 9:59 am

                • It depends, Tim. How I am treated determines my response.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 10:12 am

                • Well like I said,I’ve never seen you lower yourself,just because you don’t agree with them. I just now told FG that even though she may not agree with everything said on her site,she still allows folks to freely speak. I can appreciate your,”it’s me against the world” position you have to take here. I can understand that. I had that attitude when I got back from Southeast Asia. Pop couldn’t even understand my belligerent attitude towards the U S Army. It’s demonstrable,you deal with being the Lone Ranger better than I did.

                  Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 10:25 am

                • I can be a smart ass or sarcastic but I’m not deliberately mean.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — June 16, 2016 @ 10:48 am

          • What do the names prove and like I’ve said in a past post a lot of names of the same names and variations of names of the same person they have no mechanism to check who these people were or their names being true.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — June 16, 2016 @ 5:36 am

            • Names are a record, these names are exactly what IHR demands, and sadly for you they are almost to the minimum death total of 5 million.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 6:47 am

          • The number is “4.5” mill today? What happened to 6 mill? If y’all don’t to give deniers a reason,then start by sticking to one number. I could accept the number to fluctuate by a few hundred plus or minus,but we’re talking millions here. They can’t get their shit straight. It’s no wonder people are gonna question them. The survivors can sit on the witness stand and recall with complete clarity,events from all those years ago,yet they can’t get something as simple as a number straight

            Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 7:09 am

            • Read the link and you will know if it is 4.5 million alive or dead.

              The number 6 million is a round up generally. Estimates range between 5.23 to 6.2.

              It’s also hard to stick to a single number, like hell! There isn’t an official number for the Holodomor. Estimates for that range between 2.4 million to 10 million. This is a larger difference then the holocaust.

              Also by the way, you do know the European population of Jews from 39 was 9.5 and in 45 it was around 3.5 such a shift would need to explained.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 7:21 am

              • That’s funny . We’ve got an exact number of my dead brothers from Nam. We have an exact number of MIAs from Nam. I heard the krauts were meticulous when it came to keeping records. So a person should be able to get an exact accounting . Like I’ve said. The number changes so much,they should list it as a commodity on CBOT. That would probably be more volatile than buying contracts and hedging on the weather. I’d explain that to you,but I don’t think you’d comprehend it.

                Comment by Tim — June 16, 2016 @ 10:08 am

                • There is a difference between fallen soldiers whom are tagged, and genocides. By this kind of argument one could then also say since we don’t have exact numbers for the Holodomor, then it didn’t happen. Its called an Estimate.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 16, 2016 @ 11:06 am

  7. The photo of the person on the right (without make-up) is another member of the band, not Gene Simmons. Simmons has large rubbery lips and looks like something you’d see patrolling the bottom of an aquarium. Also, he’s never worn a goatee. BTW a highschool history teacher has outted fake Holocaust survivor Joseph Hirt and has called for an apology, or he will press charges for fraud. http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/history-teacher-who-outed-holocaust-fraudster-joseph-hirt-calls-for-apology-or-criminal-prosecution/

    Comment by who dares wings — June 14, 2016 @ 8:46 am

    • Thanks for telling me about the mistake in the photo. These two photos were hooked together when I copied them. I will try to find another photo, as soon as I finish my breakfast.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 14, 2016 @ 9:00 am

    • I think that Joseph Hirt should be prosecuted for making money by telling lies.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 14, 2016 @ 9:09 am


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