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June 28, 2016

“to the left meant death in the gas chambers”

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 11:06 am

Today I am commenting on an article which you can read in full at

http://www.jpost.com/Blogs/Think-With-Me/Hitlerism-and-Nazism-an-Industry-of-Dehumanization-and-Humiliation-457432

The following quote is from the blog post, cited above:

Begin quote

My question that is dug deep in [into] my mind is, what exactly the Jews did to Hitler, his Nazi commandants cohorts and the entire German nation for them to have had the obsessive need to try [to] wipe them off the face of the earth?

The main objection [objective] of the Nazis was the dehumanization and humiliation of people while making the person [feel] insignificant and maximizing the use of his or her body and belongings. Shaving hair had [a] two fold [purpose], taking away from the person’s recognizable image while using his or her hair for industrial purpose. The human ash at the end of the process of making people simply disappear of [off] the face of the earth was used as fertilizer. They [The] inmates were given a number, which was tattooed on their left arm in order to strip them off [of] their identity name.

Majdanek eagle monument

Majdanek eagle monument Photo credit: Simon Robertson

In Majdanek Camp III a three bird statue stands, built in 1943 by a [Majdanek] camp’s [camp] prisoner whom the Nazis commissioned for the job. The statue, made of prisoners’ ash, in fact is the first Holocaust memorial. [It is shown in the photo above]
the artist had the bird’s head facing east a message to the prisoners that the Russian army is getting closer and hope could be expected to come to them from the east but the Nazis, immersed in their hate for humanity and ego, did not get the message.

Almost at the beginning of the walk through the [Majdanek] camp you walk into an empty filed [field] which was once the “selektzia”-selection field, the Nazis named it ‘rose garden,’ because it was fenced by barbed wire fence that reminded the SS officers or rose bush thorns. [Actually, there was a real rose garden there] There the Nazis decided whom [who] among the arrivals is useful to them and who must die. When, in 1942, the Nazi regime decided to liquidate the Jewish ghettos, Jews arrived to this field and there, according to the Nazis selection system, their pathetic future was decided upon. There prisoners were shaved, striped [stripped] off [of] their clothes and belongings, took [given] a shower and [a] chemicals’ bath and some were gassed either by Zyklon-B or carbon monoxide, which caused them [to have] a terrible death, and then [they were] burned already there.

End quote from news article

The alleged gas chamber building at Majdanek

The alleged gas chamber building at the alleged Majdanek death camp

The gas chambers at Majdanek are located within sight of the main highway that goes past the camp. The gas chamber building is barrack Number 41 which is shown in my photo above.

A sign on the building, shown in the photo, says “Bad und Desinfektion” (Bath and Disinfection), which the Museum guidebook says was “to lull the vigilance of those condemned to death.”

There are actually two buildings near the entrance to the camp where Zyklon-B was used. Only the building used for gassing people with Zyklon-B was shown on the tour that I took. The other “gas chamber” is in barrack Number 42. This gas chamber was used for delousing clothing, with the same Zyklon-B, when the camp was in operation. Barrack Number 42 is off limits to visitors. Why can’t tourists see building #42, used for killing lice in clothing?

It seems that the stupid Nazis were trying to save the lives of the Jews, by killing lice with Zyklon-B, at the same time that they were killing them with the same Zyklon-B.

Behind the gas chamber building, where you see the row of poplar trees in the photo above, is the street which was part of a main road. The small black building to the right is a guard tower. The large gravel-covered square in front of the building was called the “rose field” or Rosenfeld in German. This was a Nazi joke. There were no roses there, but it was the place where the Jews were assembled on arrival at the camp, and Rosenfeld referred to the “persons selected,” according to the guide book. Selection meant choosing which prisoners were fit for work and which would go to the gas chamber. Rosenfeld is a common Jewish name.

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  1. Actually I mostly made the blue for future note. But no, again the cyanide poisoning it’s pretty much the exact same story. You need to elaborate when this Cherry red color forms. Sorry for not elaborating on this.

    As well the reference to Cyanosis is cause it happens when the body has a lack of oxygen. It’s very simple, and as someone who’s such a medical expert. It seems you would know this.

    But since your so not going to listen to “Jewish owned Wiki”. Just take the definition to it.

    “a bluish discoloration of the skin resulting from poor circulation or inadequate oxygenation of the blood.”

    -Google

    And the definition of asphyxiation.

    “Asphyxiation, also known as suffocation, means to die from lack of oxygen.”

    https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/asphyxiation

    And since that image doesn’t work for you here’s a non Jewish source… Even though it doesn’t really matter.

    “It is a condition in which the skin, gums and fingernails turns blue due to shortage of oxygen in the blood. Any body part turning blue indicates lack of oxygen supply in blood. Cyanosis is considered to be a symptom of serious medical condition which needs immediate medical care. This condition, if accompanied by difficulty in breathing is definitely critical and life threatening.”

    http://diseasespictures.com/cyanosis/

    Still the exact same thing Berg.

    Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 8:51 pm

    • Your arguments are all over the place. Why not try to get back to the question of death by diesel exhaust? Do you know of any cases where people died from diesel exhaust? If so, where? How many? Who?

      Surely, if there were any truth or merit to your arguments, there would be at least a few cases of people dying accidentally from diesel exhaust. There might also be some cases of homicide from diesel exhaust aside from the holocaust BS. Do some homework and look into that. Try to be more than just another smart-Alecky Jew defending his disgusting and thoroughly depraved people.

      Friedrich Paul Berg
      Learn everything at: http://www.nazigassings.com
      Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
      There were NO “limited gassings!” There were NO homicidal Nazi Gassings at all!
      http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
      The REAL Mass Murderers were the Anglo-Americans and the Jews themselves!

      Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — June 30, 2016 @ 9:21 pm

      • Found one… It took less then a minute…

        “While it is known that diesel fuel combustion engines produce much lower concentrations of carbon monoxide (CO) than gasoline engines, these emissions could certainly generate lethal ambient concentrations given a sufficient amount of time in an enclosed space and under suitable environmental conditions. The authors report a case of CO poisoning which was initially referred for autopsy as a presumed natural death of a truck driver found in the secure cab of a running diesel tractor trailer truck. Completion of the preliminary investigation ascribed death to complications of ischemic heart disease (IHD), pending toxicological analysis that included quantification of CO. When the toxicology results showed lethal blood COHbg, the cause of death was re-certified as CO intoxication secondary to inhalation of (diesel) vehicular exhaust fumes. Because of the unique source of fatal CO intoxication in this case, the contributory IHD and the possible contaminants in the putrefied blood, a 10-year retrospective review was conducted on all nonfire related CO deaths autopsied (n = 94) at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Louisville, KY from 1994 to 2003. For validation of the COHbg detection method used by the Kentucky Office of Forensic Toxicology (KYOFT), blood samples from these cases along with controls were submitted to three laboratories using various analytical methods yielding no statistically significant differences. Lastly, an extensive literature review produced no scientifically reported cases of fatal CO poisoning attributed to diesel fuel exhaust.”

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18643868/

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 9:27 pm

      • Now maybe you can tell me how long it takes for a body to shift over to this Cherry red color? As even the HC white paper says:

        “Thus, a study more recent than any cited by Kues lowers the expectation of a cherry-red appearance in corpses to 70%. Indeed, *it remains unclear when the corpses should have displayed the discoloration.*” (P. 331)

        As for homicidal gassings with Diesel outside the holocaust? Maybe since the Russian one operated Gas vans of their own. I don’t have much in these gas vans, but surely it would be an interesting find.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 9:48 pm

      • Berg, it appears you may have created the spin off by complaing to much about the doctor Clicked used for a source. Especially when the doctor was saying exactly what you ended up with.

        Comment by Lóegaire — June 30, 2016 @ 11:05 pm

        • In that paper which is well known to me and which I have cited also, the pathologists also admitted that they did an intense search of all available records and medical literature and found no other case oif death from diesel exhaust anywhere in the world, ever. I found one other case of an 80-year old man from India who may have simply died from heart failure–but that is it. So, death from diesel exhaust is extremely rare–if it ever occurs at all. In the Ky case, the medical examiners made at least one critical error in their investigation by NOT treating the tissues properly against deterioration.

          From my website column right: The final straw for the mass murder by diesel HOAX may have been an essay in the Journal of Forensic Science, September 2008 entitled “Diesel Fumes Do Kill.” On page 1206:

          “Lastly, an extensive literature review produced no scientifically reported cases of fatal CO poisoning attributed to diesel fuel exhaust. …in the medical examiner arena, lethal CO poisoning from inhalation of diesel fumes from any make or model of on-road vehicle is virtually unheard of and contemporary literature foes not report it.”

          Although the report concludes that the authors had discovered one case of such poisoning, their research was critically flawed by their failure to properly treat the blood chemically to counter the effects of decomposition which had occurred in the corpse. The fact that death from diesel exhaust is possible has never been denied by this author. The report shows, however, that diesel exhaust as a source of lethal concentrations of CO is absurd for exposures of less than several hours. A recent Filing before the US Court of Appeals explains the medical issues on pages 14-20 and 32. It seems the Kentucky court had prior to this ruled wrongly against the trucking firm and the truck manufacturer more out of a desire to protect Kentucky institutions than anything else.

          CO discoloring

          The emerging alternate claim that gasoline exhaust was used instead of diesel exhaust is even more stupid. Deaths from gasoline engine exhaust would have definitely been from carbon monoxide because of the extremely high percentages of CO present before the advent of catalytic converters and environmental concerns. But for the so-called “holocaust,” the “eyewitnesses” ALL failed to even mention any of the stunningly bright cherry red coloring that appears on nearly all corpses of people who died from carbon monoxide or from cyanide. Were the “eyewitnesses” all color blind? Of course, not. They simply lied—ALL of them!

          As to how quickly the RED coloring of a CO-killed-corpse appears, that does not even matter as far as debunking the holocaust hoax–because the naked corpses were supposedly on public display for many days before they were burned in those huge piles, or whatever. Just removing the corpses from any alleged gas chambers would have provided more than enough time. Everyone nearby would have had plenty of time to see the corpses–and so, there was more than enough time for the coloring to appear. I believe the coloring appears even b-e-f-o-r-e death–but if not, within minutes after death, i.e. either instantaneously or shortly thereafter. Even if only 70% of the corpses displayed the “bright cherry red” coloring that would have still provided a spectacular and memorable public display which no one would have ever forgotten. Unless they were simply lying which is rather obvious in hindsight. Jews do lie continuously as everyone knows! It is their religion and their reason for being.

          Friedrich Paul Berg
          Learn everything at: http://www.nazigassings.com
          Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
          There were NO “limited gassings!” There were NO homicidal Nazi Gassings at all!
          http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
          The REAL Mass Murderers were the Anglo-Americans and the Jews themselves!

          Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — July 1, 2016 @ 12:28 am

          • I’m sure there is more out there, though I’m not looking to do an intensive study into it… The point was though that the article I linked took less then five minutes to find. And extremely rare doesn’t mean never.

            As well the article makes a very very very a good point.

            “While it is known that diesel fuel combustion engines produce much lower concentrations of carbon monoxide (CO) than gasoline engines, these emissions could certainly generate lethal ambient concentrations given a sufficient amount of time in an enclosed space”

            Anyway it doesn’t matter, there is one person aka a trucker who accidentally gassed himself with Diesel exhaust, and that is again a case which shows it can be deadly.

            As well it doesn’t matter regardless if it’s Petrol or Not you still have to explain when the Cherry red coloring forms.

            How long exactly does it take on average for the cherry red color to form? Well?

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 8:30 am

          • Also, Berg there is testimony of red corpses…Dr. Theodor Friedrich Leidig.

            “I was told that the people who had climbed into the truck were Russians who would otherwise have had to be shot. They were looking for a different way of killing them. We then went to another place, where we met the truck again. It was near the crematory oven. I can still remember that one could see through a peephole or a small window into the inside of the truck, which was lit up. One could see that the people were dead. The van was opened. Some bodies fell out; the others were unloaded by prisoners. Those of us who were chemists could ascertain that the bodies had that pinkish look which is typical of victims of carbon monoxide poisoning”.

            (Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the Use of Poison Gas p. 54.)

            It doesn’t seem common, but it still is something which has shown up. So even with the argument of Cherry red, I can’t take it as fully honest argument. The issue still stands as to when the red coloring starts showing Berg… You appear to have avoided Clicks question.

            Comment by Lóegaire — July 1, 2016 @ 8:52 am

            • Dr. Leidig has been discussed by me at some length–no doubt, Loegaire found my discussion of Leidig but gives me no credit. It appears in my book as well. On my website column right, we have:

              “There is one important exception, however, and that is a Dr. Theodore Friedrich Leidig of the Kriminal Technisches Insititut (KTI) who supposedly claimed to have seen an experimental gassing of Russian POWs in a gas van at Sachsenhausen resulting in red corpses. Such a story would have also been perfectly consistent with earlier Soviet claims made in 1943 during the Kharkov and Krasnodar show trials (with red corpses from CO) about homicidal gas vans but with diesel engines. By the end of the war, the Soviets had simply moved their homicidal gas van hoax to Germany itself. Leidig was smart enough to know, apparently, that any competent forensic doctor could not possibly be so stupid as to claim such corpses (from gasoline engine exhaust) were anything but red. No doubt, there were some accidental gassings from the widespread use of producer gas vehicles (18% to 35% CO) throughout the war and that is what probably was involved here—if there is any truth to Leidig’s claims at all and nothing more sinister than that. A forensic pathologist like Leidig would have been expected to determine the cause of death precisely. After the war, such incidents were so useful for supporting the hoax and Soviet propaganda, especially in connection with Sachsenhausen which was under Soviet occupation in East Germany. Why would the Soviets change their story about how the Nazis committed mass murder? It had worked so well for them before. Just drive the same message with some “evidence” from Leidig. The Sachsenhausen gassing van claim was essentially the same Soviet claim as had been made by the Soviets in 1943.”

              Friedrich Paul Berg
              Learn everything at: http://www.nazigassings.com
              Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
              There were NO “limited gassings!” There were NO homicidal Nazi Gassings at all!
              http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
              The REAL Mass Murderers were the Anglo-Americans and the Jews themselves!

              Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — July 2, 2016 @ 7:46 am

              • Actually I found the quote from Alt.Revisionism… You do not get any credit.

                Also the issue is well over, the vans were petrol and Click clearly already covered it.

                Comment by Lóegaire — July 3, 2016 @ 2:17 pm

                • The issue is NOT over because some lying Jew says it is “over.”. The issue will never be over so long as there are still people like myself around to expose the Jews and their never-ending LIES!

                  The following is from my website column right with a lengthy quote from the Soviets themselves:

                  Homicidal Gas Vans

                  In 1943 the Soviets held show trials to convince the world that the Germans had been using gas vans to murder Soviet citizens with the exhaust gases from diesel engines. The proceedings at Krasnodar and Kharkov are described in The Verdict. From the indictment for the Krasnodar trial on page 49 we have the following:

                  “Medico-legal experts who exhumed and examined bodies found in an anti-tank ditch near Krasnodar stated in their postmortem findings on 29th June, 1943: ‘The skin, skeletal muscles and mucous membranes of lips, stomach, intestines, pericardium and peritoneum were either a pale pink or bright cherry colour, also noted in some cases in sections of internal organs such as the kidneys, lungs and heart. Spectroscopic and chemical examinations of the blood and portions of organs removed for biopsy showed that in 523 cases out of 623 bodies, death was caused by carbon monoxide poisoning.’ As established by the investigation similar “gas lorries,” which were nicknamed “murder vans,” were used by the Germans for murdering peaceful Soviet citizens not only in Krasnodar but also in Kharkov. These vans, as testified by the German defendants in the present case and also by witnesses who witnessed the crimes committed by the Germans, are large closed trucks of dark grey colour, driven by Diesel engines. The vans are lined inside with galvanized iron and have air-tight folding doors at the back. The floor is equipped with a wooden grating under which passes a pipe with apertures. This pipe is connected to the exhaust pipe of the engine. The exhaust gases of the Diesel engine, containing highly concentrated carbon monoxide, enter the body of the van, causing rapid poisoning and asphyxiation of the people locked up in the van.”

                  Diesel exhaust contains hardly any carbon monoxide, even under heavy engine loads. If the engines had simply been idling (no load on the engine) with the vehicles parked as suggested by the infamous unsigned letter from Becker to Rauff in Nuremberg File PS-501, the carbon monoxide levels would have been practically nil and the exhaust gases would have been harmless except for the heat. Death, if it occurred, would NOT have been from carbon monoxide at all. The Soviet, purported “medico-legal” investigations could have only been a sham.

                  Try to stop lying, Lóegaire! Try to stop being so thoroughly Jewish!

                  Friedrich Paul Berg
                  Learn everything at: http://www.nazigassings.com
                  Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
                  There were NO “limited gassings!” There were NO homicidal Nazi Gassings at all!
                  http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
                  The REAL Mass Murderers were the Anglo-Americans and the Jews themselves!

                  Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — July 3, 2016 @ 2:32 pm

                • Read clicks posts Again!

                  Otto Piller says quite well that the gas vans were Petrol, and this is a quote form the deputy commandant of Chelmno…

                  “Deniers also like to point to the two 1943 Soviet gas vans trials in Krasnodar and Kharkov. It was claimed by the Soviets that the gas van engines were diesels. Nick checked out the published English translations of trial transcripts (The People’s Verdict), and found only one place where a witness mentions specifically diesel engine (p. 17, interrogation of accused Tishchenko). Given the Soviet propensity for tampering with the published transcripts, one should check the unedited version to see if it mentions “diesel” in this place. Anyway, one swallow does not make a summer, and Tishchenko wasn’t even a gas van driver. The rest of the mentions were prosecution’s statements, etc. – not the relevant kind of evidence.”

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-diesel-issue-is-irrelevant.html

                  The Soviets didn’t operate the damn vans ether! The Following quite well also supports Clicks claim:

                  Zalman Levinbuck

                  “The people are poisoned during the drive by gases and exhaust fumes that are created by the combustion of gasoline in the motor.”
                  (Kogon/Langbein/Rückerl et al., Nationalsozialistische Massentötungen durch Giftgas, p. 91)

                  Your pushing a Non Issue.

                  As for Diesel not being deadly… I think Keren covered you already.

                  ” Holocaust-deniers often claim that it is impossible to obtain lethal exhaust from a diesel engine, unless it is run in highly abnormal conditions. This is not true, as the following graph shows. It is a plot of exhaust composition of a diesel engine, taken from the paper “The Significance of Diesel-Exhaust-Gas Analysis”, by J.C. Holtz and M.A. Elliot, Transactions of the ASME, Vol. 63, 1941, p. 97-105. The authors specify the normal fuel-air ratio for one of the engines (“Engine B”) as 0.058 and below. As the graph shows, lethal exhaust was produced at ratios well within this normal range; for instance, at a ratio of 0.050, the exhaust contained 5.8 percent oxygen, and 11 percent carbon dioxide. At a ratio of 0.055, the exhaust contained 3.8 percent oxygen, and 12 percent carbon dioxide. This is, clearly, a lethal concentration. As a matter of fact, less than 8 percent of oxygen is a lethal concentration. The air in the gas chambers was even more lethal than these numbers indicate, since the exhaust contains other toxic gases, such as NO2 (nitrogen dioxide) which causes sever irritation of the airways and makes breathing difficult, as well as soot, which blocks the airways.

                  It should also be noted that the authors had no difficulty in running the engine under conditions which resulted in an exhaust containing even less oxygen, and more than 6 percent carbon monoxide (which is very quickly lethal even in the presence of oxygen). There was no problem involved in running the engines in ratios greater than that of the “normal range”, since the “normal range” is maintained mainly because it yields relatively cleaner exhaust, and due to considerations of efficiency. However, if one wants to achieve exhaust which is more toxic, he would certainly consider running the engine in higher concentrations. ”

                  https://web.archive.org/web/20130721042824/http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/diesel/

                  Comment by Lóegaire — July 3, 2016 @ 10:37 pm

  2. Cutting hair is the fastest way of dealing with lice. The Germans didn’t want Jewish lice-ridden hair at all. Who would. More Jewish fairy tales by Jewish spin registers.

    Comment by Diane King — June 30, 2016 @ 2:14 pm

  3. “It seems that the stupid Nazis were trying to save the lives of the Jews, by killing lice with Zyklon-B, at the same time that they were killing them with the same Zyklon-B.”

    Last time I checked the large gas chamber in the Bunker wasn’t used for delousing till after 1943… Before that It was used for Carbon Monoxide gassings… As well the vast majority of the Jews in this camp were killed via shootings… According to what can be learned from Kranz it sound like they cared more of their Non-jewish inmates…

    Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 5:01 pm

    • The furnace which was used to heat the Zyklon B for delousing was added in 1943… When it was added the gassing program was over. The other two rooms just pretty much sat there and went unused.

      So it wasn’t used for delousing “after” 1943 it started as a delousing room in 1943.

      Comment by Lóegaire — June 28, 2016 @ 8:50 pm

  4. FANS should have been “ON” during any mass killing or fumigation, The fact that the holocaust story speaks ONLY of fans being “ON” a-f-t-e-r everyone was dead exposes the hoax for what it truly is: an adaptation of clumsy American gas execution procedures to fabricate anti-Nazi “evidence” of genocide. The alleged “Zyklon insertion columns” are more of the same using some actual features of the DEGESCH Kreislauf system to make the “evidence” seem more credible.

    It is all bunk compounded with more bunk. It is a hoax! The self-described “eyewitnesses” and “confessors” are all LIARS–no exceptions!

    The above rather simple statement summarizes most of my work on this entire subject.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at: http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
    There were NO “limited gassings!” There were NO homicidal Nazi Gassings at all!
    http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
    The REAL Mass Murderers were the Anglo-Americans and the Jews themselves!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — June 28, 2016 @ 4:58 pm

    • Burg… I’m really confused by your Diesel article…

      It doesn’t make sense… Holtz and Eliot’s experiment clearly isn’t a good show for your article as they just had to adjust the fuel pump… And if you read the line that follows as “Oxygen” it clearly drops very fast, and doesn’t follow your number of 18%.

      “In Graph 6 we see that the oxygen concentration corresponding to idle in the exhaust of any Diesel engine (divided or undivided chamber), shown at the right in the graph at an air/fuel ratio of 100:1 (fuel/air ratio 0.01), is 18% which is just a few percent less than one finds in normal air.”

      Anything below 6% Oxygen is deathly…

      The areas under CO that are 1% or higher are deadly as well..

      I know for sure you have seen this… So how exactly would Nizkors use of Holtz and Ellot be incorrect? Or even their use of R.E. Pattle et al.

      http://www.nazigassings.com/nizkorlies.html

      Perhaps in this case I may be giving Nizkor to much credit, but they never exactly put down in wording “all the animals died”. Though I would agree depending on how one reads it. It does come off in that way, and its not exactly inaccurate if you include the number of animals which died after the gassing. As well which Modes they are Implying this too is not given. As it could be they are talking about Modes B, C, and D. So saying:

      “Clearly, Nizkor has lied repeatedly and continues to do so about the simplest words from an easily accessible source. The reader should confirm for himself that according to Table 1, Column A of Pattle et al.(page 50), all of the animals survived five hours of continuous exposure to the diesel exhaust from an engine running at idle, and even continued to survive for another 7 days after being removed from the gas chamber. None of them died!”

      Isn’t exactly fair on your part.

      But when they say “In a closed chamber, of course diesel fumes will kill.” they are not saying anything wrong. In any confined space people would eat away at the oxygen and would be trapped in a room filled with Toxic Chemicals… Diesel fumes do also contain Nitrogen Oxide. This is only going off the idea that the engines were not continuously running. Its also assuming that it was a Tank engine as well, considering this would be obviously stronger then the engine which R.E. Pattle et al.

      You also put R.E. Pattle et al as a source… But it doesn’t fit your use very well.

      Mode A Supports you… but that is really it Berg, mostly cause the engine is being ran at manufacturer’s specifications.

      Modes B and C the engine was modified, and while some of the animals died within 4 hours… and others survived past the gassing only to die within a few days due to severe lung damage.

      Then finally Mode D puts your use of their study to rest… and they were able to produce 22% carbon monoxide, and 0.4% is the minimum for being lethal.

      The Important thing is that this study while it may have taken hours to kill the animals… It quite clearly wasn’t using a tank engine. So one can only imagine what a Diesel Tank engine would produce if modified. Trying to compare the two as exact results is basically comparing apples and oranges. So when you say:

      “But even this was only achieved with an exposure time more than six times as long as Gerstein and others have claimed for the alleged homicidal diesel gas chambers of the Nazis. In other words, for exposures of half-an-hour or less, hardly any animals die even under condition D1 and D2 which simulated an extreme loaded condition on the engine. Clearly, Nizkor and especially a (Dr.?) Daniel Keren are scurrilous liars—but their lie will, no doubt, persist indefinitely because it is an “essential lie” or prop for the Holocaust hoax.”

      Its not accurate. One should expect a micro engine to operate like a Tank engine. Gerstein may have told us the gas chambers were Diesel, but he also never saw the engines… He also never operated them as well, so how exactly is he going to tell us what type of engine it was? So I am rather interested to hear how Daniel is a lier… He hasn’t exactly misrepresented the study… As at first he may have said “all the animals died” he still says the following.

      “ After one hour’s exposure in D1 (0,22% CO), all except three of the 20 mice were dead. All the rabbits and guinea pigs were alive. After 3 hr. 20 min. all the animals were dead and the experiment was stopped.”

      And your argument is that it took longer then Gersteins numbers. Please understand that most people don’t rely on Gerstien… He has a natural tendency to exaggerate… Which is shown when he says “Blue corpses” instead of blue features.

      There is also plenty of issues with your claim on the Diesel issue as most of the sites had Petrol exhaust, as well Otto Piller Identified the gas vans to run off gasoline. Treblinka as far as we are aware used a T-34 engine… but this doesn’t mean it wasn’t petrol… As given in Sergeys essay “The Diesel issue is Irrelevant”.

      “I have also seen claims that T-34 tank’s engine was used. I have seen this claim ascribed to Kurt Franz, though I can’t tell if the reference is true. I’ve seen deniers argue that since T-34 tanks had diesel engines, the Treblinka engine had to be diesel too. For the sake of the argument, let us assume that Treblinka engine was indeed from T-34 tank. Now, it is simply not true that all T-34s were diesels. Because of shortage of V-2 diesels in the autumn of 1941 it was ordered to implement the ways to install old carburetor engines M17-T in T-34 tanks (I. Shmelyov, “Tank T-34″, Tekhnika i vooruzhenije, no. 11-12, 1998). Another author confirms that some T-34s had M-17, a powerful aviation motor, installed (E. Zubov, Dvigateli tankov (iz istorii tankostrojenija), 1991).”

      http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-diesel-issue-is-irrelevant.html

      As well for Treblinka there was a large Gasoline Explosion during the rebellion from the prisoners… I am aware the gas which exploded was intended for burning corpses on the grills, but given in all the other cases I can also see it being used for the engine… This is guessing though that is was a Petrol engine.

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 7:54 am

      • Thanks for your comment and challenge–but, your line of counter argument has been answered many times over the years. Your error is in thinking that you can simply “adjust”, or “tweak,” the fuel pump to get higher and higher fuel-to-air ratios. Unless the engine loads are also increased (no small trick with a parked vehicle opr stationary engine), you will simply drive the engine to redline speed momentarily where the internal engine speed contrioller will automatically cutback on the fuel–e-v-e-n if your “pedal is to the metal” so to speak, i.e. even if you want to push more fuel, even lots of fuel into the engine. Unless you are also adding substantial load, the fuel-air ratios after the engine stabilizes will have hardly changed from an extremely low fuel-air ratio corresponding to fast idle.

        Please read the latest version of my diesel essay: Diesel Gas Chambers–Ideal for Torture, Absurd for Murder.

        Friedrich Paul Berg
        Learn everything at: http://www.nazigassings.com
        Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
        There were NO “limited gassings!” There were NO homicidal Nazi Gassings at all!
        http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
        The REAL Mass Murderers were the Anglo-Americans and the Jews themselves!

        Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — June 29, 2016 @ 9:13 am

        • Well actually its still deadly even without the adjustment. Under the normal running range for engine B, marked out in Red the exhaust can still be deadly if it passes the green line I have marked out.

          The Green line is drawn based off OSHA’s maximum safe level which Is 3% (30,000 ppm). That would mean any concentration of Carbon Dioxide past the normal running range could kill… (depending on exposure time and the ppm %)

          My mapped out (0.058) cause that is Engine B’s labeled normal fuel-air ratio… And anything between 0.05 and 0.058 would most contently be deadly…. Carbon Dioxide levels between these points range between 11% to 13%… Carbon Dioxide can kill a human within 30 minutes with concentrations of 10%. (100,000 ppm) and also while Carbon Dioxide poisoning is not the claimed murder weapon, asphyxiation has been spoken of.

          “No doctor was present. I noticed nothing special about the corpses, except that some of them showed a bluish puffiness about the face. But this is not surprising since they had died of asphyxiation. If my memory serves me correctly, I returned to Lublin that same day with Dr. Gerstein.”

          -Dr. Wilhelm Pfannenstiel

          With a CO2 filled environment, I can see asphyxiation happening. As well your argument of the fuel source wouldn’t exactly be to much of an issue. As the Germans aren’t exactly inexperienced in operating with T-34’s, or their engines. Especially with the existence of beutepanzer’s.

          And although you says it’s very difficult to tinker with the engine, you cannot deny that your sources were able to reach high levels of carbon monoxide. Another thing the Germans could have done is block the air intake, and this would most definitely alter the Air-fuel intake. though I do understand blocking it would cause issue.

          I have already read your essay “Diesel Gas Chambers–Ideal for Torture, Absurd for Murder.”! As where else would I have gotten the graph from? The Graph is from that essay! Its graph 6 to be exact….

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 4:09 pm

          • The Holtz & Elliott tests used a “power unit” which included a brake dynamometer to impose LOADS on the engine except for the first test B-13. That is spelled out on the very first page of Holtz & Elliott essay, top of column right. You obviously have NOT read your own reference. The “net power output in bhp” for all of the tests corresponds to the varying loads imposed on the engine.

            Learn to walk before you try to run! Learn to walk before you accuse people of mass murder. Shame on you!

            If the Jews had died from carbon monoxide from whatevcer source, nearly all of them would have appeared “bright cherry red” afterward–NOT BLUE–and would have nade piles of naked corpses a brilliant and memorable spectacle for all onlookers. The testimony of “blue corpses” merely shows, once again, that the supposed “eyewitnesses” simply lied; their claims make no sense at all. Also, people who die of “asphyxiation” are not blue either–look it up. There may be some cyanosis of lips and mucous membranes, but they are not really blue either–and are only recognizable by experienced experts as “cyanotic.”

            Friedrich Paul Berg
            Learn everything at: http://www.nazigassings.com
            Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
            There were NO “limited gassings!” There were NO homicidal Nazi Gassings at all!
            http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
            The REAL Mass Murderers were the Anglo-Americans and the Jews themselves!

            Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — June 30, 2016 @ 5:09 pm

            • “If the Jews had died from carbon monoxide from whatevcer source, nearly all of them would have appeared “bright cherry red” afterward–NOT BLUE–and would have nade piles of naked corpses a brilliant and memorable spectacle for all onlookers.”

              I am not a very good technician, and trust me I have read the paper. I carry it on my phone.

              As well the only one who describes “Blue corpses” is Gerstein. And the claim to 70-90% cherry red is far from truthful! I would recommend you read the HC white paper page 331. As well its quite unclear when a corpse starts displaying these red markings.

              Also mind that my source only has said some bluish areas. Its said quite clearly the blue color wasn’t caused by CO. So don’t misrepresent what has been said. The corpses being blue fully as well hasn’t been said.

              As well witnesses like SS-Unterscharfuehrer Schluch only describe Bluish lips, or nose (I believe).

              Page p. 70-71 of “BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard
              Death Camps” by Arad has the following quote from the Belzec-Oberhauser trial.

              “I could see that the lips and tips of the noses were a bluish
              color. Some of them had their closed, other’s eyes rolled. The
              bodies were dragged out of the gas chambers and inspected by a
              dentist, who removed finger rings and gold teeth…”

              This doesn’t describe full body bluing.

              As well just to end this issue of asphyxiation.

              Here is another example.

              http://image.slidesharecdn.com/asphyxiapresentation-110320192223-phpapp02/95/asphyxia-presentation-6-728.jpg?cb=1300649006

              Cyanosis is quite clearly a cause from a lack of oxygen.

              “cute cyanosis can be a result of asphyxiation or choking, and is one of the surest signs that respiration is being blocked.”

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanosis

              Also mind its not direct Carbon monoxide poisoning. This is described quite well by Hdot.

              Under “Diesel Exhaust Contains Too Much Oxygen to Kill via Asphyxiation”. It lists the following ways people would have died.

              Suffocates from carbon monoxide poisoning.

              Suffocates from lack of oxygen in the atmosphere around them.

              Suffocates due to a combination of carbon monoxide, lack of oxygen, smoke, soot and other toxic gases.

              http://hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/diesel3.html

              Diesel exhaust contains more then just Carbon Monoxide, remember that Berg. It also contains Nitrogen oxide.

              “There may be some cyanosis of lips and mucous membranes, but they are not really blue either–and are only recognizable by experienced experts as “cyanotic.””

              Which is what has been described… I never meant full blueing of the corpse.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 5:34 pm

            • It also appears my graph is off by a bit in the area in which Engine B could run. Here is one that Is more accurate.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 6:31 pm

              • Whoever you are, you have no idea as to what you are talking about. The testimonies of other self-described “eyewitnesses” spoke of no unusual coloring at all.

                Can you even understand that in the Holtz-Elliott essay, in all of the tests except for the first one a substantial LOAD had to be applied to the diesel engine to get the published result? And yet, according to holocaust mythology there is no evidence or claim that there was even the slightest loading of the alleged homicidal diesels.

                As to the characteristic and well-documented “bright cherry red” coloring of nearly all corpses of people killed from carbon monoxide–the medical evidence and literature (which you wilfully ignore) is clear. Bad quality pictures with some odd and false color-shifts can sometimes be found and you, whoever you are, have found some. They prove nothing. The fact is that no one claims to have seen anything like the piles of red, naked corpses which would have been abundant from CO poisoning–and even from cyanide poisoning.

                Jews as a people really are the most despicable liars in all of human history. When Hitler put them in concentration camps, he certainly had the right idea. Jews have made for themselves a bed of the most vicious, racist LIES ever. It will be extremely uncomfortable for them. It should be their undoing.

                Friedrich Paul Berg
                Learn everything at: http://www.nazigassings.com
                Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
                There were NO “limited gassings!” There were NO homicidal Nazi Gassings at all!
                http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
                The REAL Mass Murderers were the Anglo-Americans and the Jews themselves!

                Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — June 30, 2016 @ 7:19 pm

                • “Whoever you are, you have no idea as to what you are talking about. The testimonies of other self-described “eyewitnesses” spoke of no unusual coloring at all.”

                  Berg, I provided two witness. Blueing was giving in some testimonies… Alright? You have been given the testimonies and who they are from. I am no disputing the fact that a good number of witnesses do not describe discoloration. Nor am I saying it happened all the time, but there are records that bluing had happened at one point. Mostly of just facial features.

                  Also last time I checked weren’t you saying that Bluing did occur with asphyxiation? And yet quite clearly.

                  “Can you even understand that in the Holtz-Elliott essay, in all of the tests except for the first one a substantial LOAD had to be applied to the diesel engine to get the published result? ”

                  Did I dispute this at any point Berg? Well?

                  “And yet, according to holocaust mythology there is no evidence or claim that there was even the slightest loading of the alleged homicidal diesels. ”

                  Yes, according to logic the testimonies of people whom didn’t didn’t take part in the operation of the engines shouldn’t know the type. But It has been identified in “a year in Treblinka” as a T-34 engine. Which has a 50-50 chance of being Petrol or Diesel. Ether way it was most likely a Petrol.

                  But guess what, in the very first reply I made to you. The exact same essay uses “a year in treblinka”as a source to say that it was a T-43 engine.

                  But if it were a diesel quite clearly without issue they could have gassed people unmodified.

                  This is based on THHP’s Page.

                  https://web.archive.org/web/20130721042824/http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/diesel/

                  Which I am sure you have experience with.

                  “As to the characteristic and well-documented “bright cherry red” coloring of nearly all corpses of people killed from carbon monoxide–the medical evidence and literature (which you wilfully ignore) is clear. Bad quality pictures with some odd and false color-shifts can sometimes be found and you, whoever you are, have found some. They prove nothing. The fact is that no one claims to have seen anything like the piles of red, naked corpses which would have been abundant from CO poisoning–and even from cyanide poisoning. ”

                  The photographs burg are of asphyxiation… *NOT CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING.*

                  Read the damn post… there is no “Poor camera color”… I didn’t find these photographs looking for CO poisoning. I found it looking for asphyxiation.

                  I again post under Cyanosis, which is the bluing of the body.

                  “Causes
                  ———–
                  Central cyanosis

                  Central cyanosis is often due to a circulatory or ventilatory problem that leads to poor blood oxygenation in the lungs. It develops when arterial oxygen saturation drops to ≤85% or ≤75%.

                  Acute cyanosis can be a result of *asphyxiation* or choking, and is one of the surest signs that respiration is being blocked.”

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanosis

                  As again for Cherry red. It does occur… I never denied that! When the red markings start to show is of issue Berg. NOT IF CHERRY RED HAPPENS.

                  READ THE POST I MADE, ITS NOT A PICTURE BOOK CLAIMING PEOPLE TURN BLUE AFTER CARBON MONOXIDE GASSING’S.

                  As for cyanide poisoning… Just no… According to the CDC it causes blueing.

                  “For severe physical findings such as coma; cessation of breathing (apnea); seizures; slowness of the heart rate, usually to fewer than 60 beats per minute (bradycardia); abnormally low blood pressure (hypotension); *bluish skin coloring due to abnormally low levels of oxygen in the blood (cyanosis)*; irregular heart beat (dysrhythmias); and/or accumulation of fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema): ”

                  http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750038.html

                  “Jews as a people really are the most despicable liars in all of human history. When Hitler put them in concentration camps, he certainly had the right idea. Jews have made for themselves a bed of the most vicious, racist LIES ever. It will be extremely uncomfortable for them. It should be their undoing.”

                  That’s Great to know where your heart stands at Berg… But Its Irrelevant. As according to your logic so far only the Germans have lied.

                  “Whoever you are, you have no idea as to what you are talking about. The testimonies of other self-described “eyewitnesses” spoke of no unusual coloring at all.”

                  Even if they didn’t describe it Berg doesn’t mean blueing didn’t happen at one point.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 7:50 pm

                • Whoever this person is, one of his blunders is to confuse “cyanosis” with “cyanide poisonng.” That is a huge inexcusable blunder.

                  Instead of referring to Wikipedia which is heavily influenced by depraved Jews, one should read the standard medical literature instead.

                  If one enlarges that hand with the apparent cyanosis in the fingers, one can objectively test the apparent bluish color and discover that it is NOT blue at all. It simply appears blue by contrast–the “bluish” appearance is a purely psychological phenomenon due to contrast with the pinkish skin. See my website where I show the enlarged fingers.

                  Friedrich Paul Berg
                  Learn everything at: http://www.nazigassings.com
                  Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
                  There were NO “limited gassings!” There were NO homicidal Nazi Gassings at all!
                  http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
                  The REAL Mass Murderers were the Anglo-Americans and the Jews themselves!

                  Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — June 30, 2016 @ 8:09 pm

                • Seems replying off my phone didn’t work out so well, so I’ll copy it over.

                  Actually I mostly made the blue for future note. But no, again the cyanide poisoning it’s pretty much the exact same story. You need to elaborate when this Cherry red color forms. Sorry for not elaborating on this.

                  As well the reference to Cyanosis is cause it happens when the body has a lack of oxygen. It’s very simple, and as someone who’s such a medical expert. It seems you would know this.

                  But since your so not going to listen to “Jewish owned Wiki”. Just take the definition to it.
                  “a bluish discoloration of the skin resulting from poor circulation or inadequate oxygenation of the blood.”
                  -Google
                  And the definition of asphyxiation.
                  “Asphyxiation, also known as suffocation, means to die from lack of oxygen.”
                  https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/asphyxiation

                  And since that image doesn’t work for you here’s a non Jewish source… Even though it doesn’t really matter.

                  “It is a condition in which the skin, gums and fingernails turns blue due to shortage of oxygen in the blood. Any body part turning blue indicates lack of oxygen supply in blood. Cyanosis is considered to be a symptom of serious medical condition which needs immediate medical care. This condition, if accompanied by difficulty in breathing is definitely critical and life threatening.”
                  http://diseasespictures.com/cyanosis/

                  Still the exact same thing Berg.

                  Lack of oxygen leads to bluing… I’m not saying it was full bluing but what ever.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 8:56 pm

                • Gassings with engine exhaust don’t cause asphyxia, Click. Engine exhaust kills through carbon monoxide poisoning. And carbon monoxide poisonings make skin turn red (CO poisoning), not blue (asphyxia). The key word in this matter is carboxyhemoglobin (HbCO), a cherry-red compound in blood. Meat industry even use carbon monoxide to make meat turn red (because consumers prefer a meat that is bright red).

                  Has any Holo-witness ever reported this?

                  “Carboxyhemoglobin has a characteristic cherry-red colour. In spite of asphyxiation, cyanosis (turning blue) does not occur; the skin is pink or pale and the lips bright red.” (https://www.britannica.com/science/carbon-monoxide-poisoning#ref1073857)

                  Comment by hermie — July 2, 2016 @ 10:58 am

                • Hermie… Engine Exhaust contains more then just CO…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 2:18 pm

                • Yes, it does. But CO is THE killer in engine exhaust. The ‘more than just CO’ thing is just a trick used by the few Holohoaxsters trying to save the Diesel gassing hoax. The other Holohoaxsters, i.e. those having now dropped the Diesel gassing hoax, don’t deny that CO was/is the killer in engine exhaust. Gassing by means of gasoline exhaust fumes = CO poisoning = formation of carboxyhemoglobin in blood = pink-red corpses.

                  Comment by hermie — July 4, 2016 @ 8:45 am

                • “Yes, it does. But CO is THE killer in engine exhaust. The ‘more than just CO’ thing is just a trick used by the few Holohoaxsters trying to save the Diesel gassing hoax. The other Holohoaxsters, i.e. those having now dropped the Diesel gassing hoax, don’t deny that CO was/is the killer in engine exhaust. Gassing by means of gasoline exhaust fumes = CO poisoning = formation of carboxyhemoglobin in blood = pink-red corpses.”

                  I think I already explained quite well Hermie that Diesel exhaust if it was the killer then Carbon Dioxide would be playing a large role as well the other toxic gasses that it contains. As well you still need to explain just like Berg as to when these Red marks start to appear.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 6, 2016 @ 1:55 pm

                • Carbon dioxide??? C’mon. Nobody claims that carbon dioxide would be a practicable and efficient poison gas. And why do you stick to the alleged Diesel gassings when even the exterminationist historians have now dropped that gross hoax?

                  Comment by hermie — July 10, 2016 @ 5:34 am

  5. Majdanek is a joke; exactly where i went from true believer to an agnostic based on what I saw with my own eyes.

    Comment by Schlageter — June 28, 2016 @ 2:50 pm

    • You wrote: “Majdanek is a joke”

      I think that you are correct. When I went to see the Majdanek camp, I was so surprised that I couldn’t remember how to work my camera. I was completely discombubelated.

      First of all, the camp is on a major highway, only a few feet from the road. You could throw a rock, from the road, and hit the Commandant’s house. Right next to the camp is a huge cemetery and there is no wall to block the view of the camp.

      Behind the camp are apartment houses on a hill. The apartments have balconies where the owners could look into the camp and watch the Nazis killing the Jews.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 2:59 pm

      • “discombubelated”?

        Are you trying to make some kind of bube joke?

        Comment by Anonymous — June 28, 2016 @ 3:34 pm

        • You wrote: “Are you trying to make some kind of bube joke?”

          No. discombobulate is an actual word which will go through a spell checker.

          https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/discombobulate

          Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 4:48 pm

          • Yes, but you misspelled it.

            Comment by Anonymous — June 28, 2016 @ 5:29 pm

            • What is the correct spelling? Please give a source for the proper spelling.

              Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 6:10 pm

              • You misspelled it in your first comment; but you spelled it correctly in the link you provided.

                Comment by Anonymous — June 28, 2016 @ 6:27 pm

  6. Majdanek is even easier to debunk than Auschwitz, since the Soviets didn’t attempt to destroy all the evidence, or fabricate it out of whole cloth (they did fabricate some though, of course, to distort the truth into lies).

    It is highly recommended for all Holocaust scholars to watch Eric Hunt’s excellent ‘The Majdanek Gas Chamber Myth’, which blows the Holohoax out of the water.

    All of Mr Hunt’s work is worthy of your time to view, if you haven’t already done so, it can downloaded from the following links:
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1009
    http://codoh.com/library/document/3343/

    Comment by John Smith — June 28, 2016 @ 1:47 pm

    • You wrote: “Majdanek is even easier to debunk than Auschwitz, since the Soviets didn’t attempt to destroy all the evidence, or fabricate it out of whole cloth (they did fabricate some though, of course, to distort the truth into lies).”

      I have photos of the Majdanek gas chamber on my website at
      http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek02.html

      Comment by furtherglory — June 28, 2016 @ 2:02 pm

    • Eric is a damn lier, and mislead everyone based on a document which came out months before actual building of the Barraks.

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 2:24 pm

      • Can you please explain how Eric Hunt has lied exactly? Is the document you are referring to the design plan for the ‘bath and disinfestation’ barracks?

        Comment by John Smith — June 28, 2016 @ 2:27 pm

        • Its the plans to B&D 2, but the plan is from months well before the actual building of the B&D. This is his only evidence for a northern entrance but its really wrong. All survivors which describe the B&D process describe entering from the front.

          Two of them are on video. If you wish to look them up their names are

          Cipora Hurwitz (Jewish) and Józef Psiuk (Polish).

          And Józef Psiuk (From 2:44 through 2:59 in the video, showing the route described.)

          He also implies as if the soviets lied about finding Carbon Monoxide on site. Hunt gets this argument off Mottogno and Garf, but when one looks at the photograph of the Carbon Monoxide canisters and compares the engravings they see the CO2 canisters are not the same.

          http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=517591#p517591

          These Carbon Monoxide Canisters were supplied by Action T4.

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 2:45 pm

          • Of course the construction plans are from months BEFORE the buildings were built. They would hardly have created the plans AFTER they were built, would they? Your explanation makes less sense than anything Eric Hunt has offered.

            Your attempts at ‘hasbara’ cannot and will not convince me that a wooden building with glass windows and wooden doors in it was used to gas people against their will, instead being of the life-giving shower room that it actually was. Were Jews such mindless sheep with no will to live when they walked into such rooms as you describe (especially since many ‘survivors’ testified to having known of the existence of ‘gas chambers’ BEFORE their arrival in the camps)? I highly doubt it – the will to survive is incredibly strong, we would not have survived as a species if it were not so.

            I shall use logic and reason to judge the truth or otherwise of the Holocaust, not feelings and emotion. Physical evidence is the gold standard by which history should be judged, and not ‘eyewitness’ testimony or hearsay.

            Historical truth does not require laws to protect it, since it is the truth, only historical lies do.

            Comment by John Smith — June 28, 2016 @ 3:11 pm

            • I am more then happy to discuss Majdanek but don’t misrepresent what I have said.

              “Of course the construction plans are from months BEFORE the buildings were built. They would hardly have created the plans AFTER they were built, would they?”

              The thing is the plans could have been altered. The Plans for the Bunker was altered part way through construction. Just as the constructions to crematorium 2 and 3 changed as well. If there are any other constructions they could have been destroyed like a good number of Majdaneks document.

              As well lets just entertain the idea the construction followed the blueprint. The buildings could quite easily be ran backwards. From a southerly direction to a northern direction.

              “Your explanation makes less sense than anything Eric Hunt has offered.”

              All survivors which have been talked about in the forum linked talk of a southern entrance. As well there is a clearly marked sign which one would expect to mark the front.

              Another witness describes coming from a Field (It may be Field 1). To the B&D.

              http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=512346#p512346

              For her the “Front” would be the southern end of the B&D. Since she would have stayed in a field for a night she would have followed the red path, then the blue path the next day.

              “Your attempts at ‘hasbara’ cannot and will not convince me that a wooden building with glass windows and wooden doors in it was used to gas people against their will, instead being of the life-giving shower room that it actually was. ”

              I never claimed this room to be a gas chamber… The Soviets never claimed it was a gas chamber ether… The soviets labeled rooms I, II, III, IV to be gas chambers…

              http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/Image231.gifw

              The Building which I am calling the “Bunker” is where the gassings happened…

              Also just so you know the people gassed were not cremated in the crematorium… They were burned on pyres.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 3:33 pm

              • And click you messed up the Vho image… Here you go.

                Comment by Lóegaire — June 28, 2016 @ 8:45 pm

            • Here we go again. The hasbara canard; and then you guys wonder why “anti-Zionists” are considered antisemitic.

              Comment by Anonymous — June 28, 2016 @ 5:42 pm

              • They don’t really care… Which is exactly why they don’t really look into what they label the “Exterminationist” side. The rooms at Majdanek were clearly perposed for murder, and they all hardly know a thing about it. That’s why when Click mentioned the Bunker John mistook it for the shower room. It’s they don’t bother to even read their own groups writings ether, had John read Mattognos book he would have known what the bunker was. Had Jim read any of Mattognos books he would have called the Bone Mill a “Ball mill”.

                Unlike Rodoh and FG they don’t exactly know much, and if they are like Hermie they will try and attack your arguments with strawman’s.

                Comment by Lóegaire — June 28, 2016 @ 8:41 pm

                • Loegaire wrote: “and if they are like Hermie they will try and attack your arguments with strawman’s”

                  Examples of this?

                  Glad to see my arguments and debunkings of exterminationist smoke and mirrors were so good that I now deserve a special treatment from a guy I don’t know and who has shown almost nothing on here. Loe who?😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 2:07 am

                • Your retort with to her on the news papers. You acted as if she was saying 700,000 Serbians were killed by the Austrians. Click gave no hint of this.

                  Comment by Lóegaire — June 29, 2016 @ 6:14 am

                • Loegay wrote: “Your retort with to her on the news papers. You acted as if she was saying 700,000 Serbians were killed by the Austrians. Click gave no hint of this.”

                  This is how I had interpreted her “If people are complaining about the Jews in the case of the Holocaust then they should also be complaining about the Serbs.” No strawman involved, nor intended.

                  She? Has a Hasbara conference been held recently or something?😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 8:03 am

                • Hermie, it is quite clear that she wasn’t saying 700,000 people were victim to Austrian Crimes. She was saying if your going to complain about the holocaust so much then you sho also be complaining about the Serbs. As it would have been Serbs who were claiming to be gassed, that is according to the news paper.

                  You created a Non issue from her argument and interpreted it as a complete polar opposite of what was actually being said. You should have been able to tell this from the following.

                  “Th(e) Austrians were more then willing to take photographs of their crimes and spread them throughout the Serbian public. If they were gassing people I’m sure they would be spreading the word.”

                  She says quite clearly if the Austrians were actually doing it then they would have photographed it. And you turned it into “you have a photograph of this Austrian gas chamber?”.

                  It’s quite clear she’s never said it Hermie.

                  Comment by Lóegaire — June 29, 2016 @ 11:19 am

        • Also what the Document shows is quite different from what the soviets found.

          Just look at what the German document describes and what the building actually turned out to be in the end.

          Does the German document shows the exact same of what the Soviets found John? Does it? As well the Soviet report describes a Southern entrance, not Hunts Northern entrance. I’m sure you will call it soviet lies but its just one more proof that makes a convergence of evidence for a southern B&D entrance.

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 4:16 pm

          • “drawn by the Polish-Soviet Investigative Commission”

            Comment by hermie — June 28, 2016 @ 5:06 pm

            • Hermie, it follows the exact state of Barracks 41 after liberation. It doesn’t matter who drew it. The barrack shows a noticeable difference from that of the German document. It shows quite well that the blueprint wasn’t followed. Look for yourself. As well the soviet map is accurate of Barrack 41’s current state (this is excluding the connection that was made by the soviets). The Majdanek Museum considered destroying the connecting structure in the 1950’s. All this aside your laughing is quite enjoyable, as I am still looking for any connection between those two news papers.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 5:24 pm

              • Click wrote: “Hermie, it follows the exact state of Barracks 41 after liberation. It doesn’t matter who drew it. The barrack shows a noticeable difference from that of the German document. It shows quite well that the blueprint wasn’t followed. Look for yourself.”

                Where should I look to see that the Soviet drawing “follows the exact state of Barracks 41 after liberation”? Don’t answer “look at the blueprint drawn by the Soviets” or something like that. That would be circular reasoning.

                Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 2:15 am

                • The drawing from 1944 has already been provided Hermie, Compare it with the German document and tell me if they look anything alike.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 12:38 pm

                • I think I’m going to need the address of your drug dealer if I am to make as if a drawing made by a Polish-Soviet Investigative Commission proved anything…

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 2:16 pm

                • “I think I’m going to need the address of your drug dealer if I am to make as if a drawing made by a Polish-Soviet Investigative Commission proved anything…”

                  Hermie, the drawing by the soviets is accurate to what the barracks look like from the inside. Its practically idiotic to say the German document is more accurate.

                  First off B&D 1&2 both contain two baths… Not 1 as shown on the German document. As well even the following off from Eric’s website even shows him wrong.

                  The Barracks do not share the same plan as was originally intended for them. As well with the witnesses I have mentioned all entered from the southern end of the B&D.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 3:42 pm

                • Click wrote: “Hermie, the drawing by the soviets is accurate to what the barracks look like from the inside. Its practically idiotic to say the German document is more accurate.”

                  And it’s totally idiotic to believe that the Soviets wouldn’t have altered those barracks in accordance with their own previous claims (plans). Do you really believe that the Soviets were stupid enough to draw blueprints of a specific building and then alter the same building in a different way, so exposing their own previous claims as a fraud???

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 4:25 pm

                • “And it’s totally idiotic to believe that the Soviets wouldn’t have altered those barracks in accordance with their own previous claims (plans). Do you really believe that the Soviets were stupid enough to draw blueprints of a specific building and then alter the same building in a different way, so exposing their own previous claims as a fraud???”

                  Compare the New image I have shown you with the German plans… Just as a by the way. They show the exact same things as the soviets… You know why? Because your a damn idiot who doesn’t even know what Majdaneks barreks looks like.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 5:05 pm

                • Click wrote: ” You know why? ”

                  Yes, I know why. Because the Soviets altered the place, of course in accordance with THEIR own blueprints, so that it agreed/agrees with THEIR version of the events at Majdanek. Give me some time to administer, let’s say, Ellis Island, and I can assure you that the place would look like a killing factory after a very short while, in accordance with blueprints drawn by myself. The existing crematory ovens, shower rooms and delousing facilities would be turned into credible – much more credible than those at Majdanek – murder devices very easily. And all you could do, would be to trust me or not about the alleged Ellis Island slaughter house. Stop being so naive or hypocritical…

                  Comment by hermie — June 30, 2016 @ 8:32 am

                • No Hermie… It’s cause that is what the inside of the B&D looks like… It doesn’t follow the German plans.

                  Comment by Lóegaire — June 30, 2016 @ 9:05 pm

                • The Soviets held the place for decades, Loegay. They could have made Majdanek’s B&D look like a replica of the Kremlin or the White House if they had wanted or needed to do that.

                  Comment by hermie — July 1, 2016 @ 9:09 am

                • You wrote: “The Soviets held the place [Majdanek] for decades, Loegay. They could have made Majdanek’s B&D look like a replica of the Kremlin or the White House if they had wanted or needed to do that.”

                  I wrote about the Soviets at Majdanek on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/02/19/the-history-of-the-liberation-of-majdanek-as-taught-by-an-american-teacher/

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 1, 2016 @ 9:37 am

    • Comment by hermie — June 28, 2016 @ 5:01 pm

      • Lol Here we go, Eric and Lidar… Kid doesn’t even understand how it works.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 5:25 pm

      • Hermie this is how Lidar really works.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 28, 2016 @ 5:50 pm

        • Can you develop? What’s your point? That Sturdy Colls can use Lidar to locate tiny graves unconnected with the ‘Holocaust,’ but that Hunt can’t use it to highlight that there are no mass graves where giant mass graves are supposed to be??? And why did Caroline Sturdy Colls didn’t use her privilege of being allowed to dig at Treblinka for the exhumation of ‘Holocaust’ mass graves? Did she think that the Zionist obscurantists will allow her to dig at Treblinka a hundred times? Sturdy Colls’ choice amounted to the behavior of a Vatican archaeologist exceptionally allowed to open and examine the tomb of Jesus but rather choosing to exhume goat bones in New Jersey, i.e. opting for the best way not to find inconvenient things about Jesus Christ…

          Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 2:44 am

          • Watch the video and look how it scans. It’s not a GPR…

            Also the location which she as digging at for graves was an Execution site. Not a Graveyard.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 5:51 am

          • “That Sturdy Colls can use Lidar to locate tiny graves unconnected with the ‘Holocaust,’ but that Hunt can’t use it to highlight that there are no mass graves where giant mass graves are supposed to be???”

            Lidar doesn’t look for disturbance… It scans only the surface… Caroline most likely used the GPR to find these graves and their indentation most likely would be cause of lack of plant growth.

            Lidar Also is unable to see through trees…

            Just to make the point simple for you to understand. Disturbance is not marked out like Hunt wants it to be.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 6:01 am

            • Click wrote: “Watch the video and look how it scans. It’s not a GPR…”

              I know that. And I had already watched your video.

              Click wrote: “Also the location which she as digging at for graves was an Execution site. Not a Graveyard.”

              Does David Irving have any evidence for this claim? There are names on some tombs. Probably quite easy to find out who they were, where they came from and why they were shot.

              The ‘Holocaust’ is not the wartime shooting of a few people for anti-German activities. So, again, why didn’t Sturdy Colls exhume an alleged Holocaust mass grave? Some rabbis had allowed her to do that. Why miss such a great opportunity of world fame, glory and money by NOT exhuming a genuine giant Holocaust mass grave?

              Click wrote: “Lidar doesn’t look for disturbance… It scans only the surface… Caroline most likely used the GPR to find these graves and their indentation most likely would be cause of lack of plant growth. Lidar Also is unable to see through trees…Just to make the point simple for you to understand. Disturbance is not marked out like Hunt wants it to be. ”

              I know that. If memory serves me right, Caroline used Lidar to find the graves she exhumed (because there is depression there, it was said). Are we supposed to conclude that tiny graves cause depressions detected by Lidar but that huge mass graves don’t???

              And no need to be condescending. I have a scientific background you’ll probably never have.

              Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 8:22 am

              • The site is even identified as an execution site by the museum.

                Bullets to K98’s can be found on site.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 9:01 am

                • Bullets? I’ve seen only a single bullet. Unfired. Waw! Faith is magic!!

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 1:27 pm

                • Its still an example of what came from her Trench digs Hermie. Finding a bullet on a site which is known for being a site of execution is something more then you make it out to be.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 1:45 pm

                • Known [for being an execution site] from whom? Let me guess. Testimonies? Again?!?

                  An unfired bullet. Don’t forget ‘unfired’…😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 1:59 pm

              • Lidar wouldn’t show large mass graves, as it only scans the surface. She found some but they were in location of the execution site. If Lidar detected mass ground disturbances and this was a cemetery as Hunt claims the area I have marked out then would have impressions as well.

                As this is the area of most of the grave stones.

                Also Caroline was able to find a unfired Kar bullet. While it’s only 1 it’s still a proof.

                As well even the preliminary results of Treblinka 1 says it was an execution site.

                http://blogs.staffs.ac.uk/archaeology/projects/holocaust-landscapes/genius-and-genocide/finding-treblinka/project-results/preliminary-results-of-the-survey-at-treblinka-i-the-labour-camp-and-the-execution-site/

                I think any debate to this site is over Hermie.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 9:14 am

                • Oh come on, finding one unfired round (or even a thousand rounds) is not solid proof of any crime having been committed at that location.
                  You, Click, ought to know that as well as anyone else.

                  It is only proof that someone dropped an unfired round at that place, at some time in the past.
                  And nothing more.

                  But hey, if the Jewish Councils really wanted to blow all revisionists and their horrid theories out of the water, all they would have to do is open up all of the alleged death camps to investigators. Because, you know, since the Holocaust did really happen (honest to God!), it would prove, once and forever more, that the SixMillion™ really did die.

                  However, I won’t hold my breath waiting for that day.

                  (By the way, are we now discussing/debunking the Treblinka hoax site on this page? I thought we were still discussing/debunking Majdanek!)

                  Comment by John Smith — June 29, 2016 @ 12:57 pm

                • It’s still a piece of evidence, even if not completely solid evidence. And perhaps you could still explain away the issue of the Majdanek Entrance John…

                  Majdanek is another issue and doesn’t have to be the primary subject. Also last time I checked John this post wasn’t sent your way.

                  You still haven’t told me anything about the german blueprint and what the barrack actually turned out to be.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 1:14 pm

                • Click wrote: “Lidar wouldn’t show large mass graves, as it only scans the surface. She found some but they were in location of the execution site.”

                  From the website linked in your comment: “Targeted excavations of the sites identified through LiDAR analysis confirmed the presence of previously unmarked mass graves close to the execution site of Treblinka I.”

                  I can see nowhere that it works only for small graves. Shouldn’t large mass graves just display large depressions in the landscape? Shouldn’t a large mass grave just look like a large flat area lower than the surrounding area???

                  Click wrote: “Also Caroline was able to find a unfired Kar bullet. While it’s only 1 it’s still a proof.”

                  Ha ha ha… Thanks for bringing physical evidence of the fact that a bullet was not shot there. Beside that, nothing, nichts, zero, nada.

                  Click wrote: “As well even the preliminary results of Treblinka 1 says it was an execution site.”

                  Was a skull with a bullet hole in it or a bullet actually fired too much asked?😉

                  And wouldn’t it be quite nonsensical and useless to establish an execution site close to an alleged slaughter house supposedly killing thousands of people every day? Why not just send those people to the alleged gas chambers of Treblinka II?

                  Click wrote: “I think any debate to this site is over Hermie.”

                  If your evidentiary requirements are met, why not?😮

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 1:52 pm

                • “From the website linked in your comment: “Targeted excavations of the sites identified through LiDAR analysis confirmed the presence of previously unmarked mass graves close to the execution site of Treblinka I.”

                  I can see nowhere that it works only for small graves. Shouldn’t large mass graves just display large depressions in the landscape? Shouldn’t a large mass grave just look like a large flat area lower than the surrounding area???”

                  Hermie I already explained Lidar doesn’t show underground disturbance. It can Identify where they are but this method is limited. It can only find disturbance via things like forest disturbance.

                  “Laser Vegetation Imaging Sensor (LVIS) ( Blair etal., 1999 ) with a footprint size of 10 – 25 m, records the entire pro file (waveform) of the return signal in ~30 cm vertical bins ( Dubayahetal., 2000 ). Because the footprint size is larger than the diameter of a tree crown and the laser beam can pass gaps between trees, a waveform can capture the tree top and ground surface in a forest stand. Studies have con firmed the ability of LVIS-derived metrics to estimate biomass, even in dense tropical forests. Drake et al. (2002) reported that height of mean energy (HOME or RH50) is the best single term predictor for estimating tropical forest biomass at the LVIS footprint-level (~0.05 ha, 25 m diameter) and the plot-level (~0.5 ha). The issue of sampling sizes has also been discussed by several studies with small- to large-footprint LiDAR system.”

                  What again do you not understand that It does not detect underground surfaces. If the surface above is flat, then it will appear flat on a LiDar.

                  “So LiDAR or light detection and ranging uses lasers to *measure the elevation of things like the ground forests and even buildings.* it’s a lot like sonar which uses sound waves to map things, or radar which uses radio waves to map things,”

                  The detection was most likely cause that is how the ground appears there. It would seem flatter to humans though. Also mind that LiDar cannot see through trees… and Treblinka 2’s area is Highly forested.

                  The White line is what the Lidar would map.

                  If you want to see if what I say is true, why don’t you contact her.

                  http://www.staffs.ac.uk/staff/profiles/cs30.jsp

                  One word of advice, and ill write it in your own wording.

                  ‘write it like a believer if you do contact her’.

                  Try and exclude your idiotic Zionist statements. You can also maybe learn how to read a Lidar map as well from her.

                  “Thanks for bringing physical evidence of the fact that a bullet was not shot there.”

                  Doesn’t matter, it was found within an area known for shootings and Caroline’s shows that at least a few bodies are on region. As for mass graves, this can be put to question.

                  If you want to complain like hunt about the color I would recommend you read this.

                  http://www.dinosaurhome.com/i-found-a-bone-at-the-beach-today-but-its-all-black.-how-can-this-be-181084.html

                  Try considering some of the things mentioned inside the given link. Perhaps the idea of cremation of the bones. I sadly only really have testimony and the unfired bullet and bones found by Caroline are the only physical evidence which I have for the execution site.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 2:59 pm

                • “It’s still a piece of evidence, even if not completely solid evidence.”

                  I think that the rumor on the existence of serious evidential standards among Holohoaxsters, can now be definitely regarded as dead and buried.😉

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 2:08 pm

                • Hermie a random bullet found in that area shouldn’t be something that is expected.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 4:06 pm

                • Click wrote: “Hermie I already explained Lidar doesn’t show underground disturbance. It can Identify where they are but this method is limited. It can only find disturbance via things like forest disturbance.”

                  I didn’t talk about underground disturbances. I talked about depressions (i.e. landforms sunken or depressed below the surrounding areas). You have not yet explained why, nor showed if, small graves generates depressions detectable by Lidar and large mass graves don’t.

                  Never buried a dead cat or dog in dad’s garden? First there is a bump, and after that, gradually as the soil compacts, a depression appears. According to your theory, a Lidar is able to detect the grave of your beloved woofy but not the grave of all the former inhabitants of the Warsaw ghetto?!? Perhaps that’s because Caroline’s Lidar should rather look for their graves at Tel Aviv or New York City…😉

                  Click wrote: “What again do you not understand that It does not detect underground surfaces. If the surface above is flat, then it will appear flat on a LiDar.”

                  And if a flat surface is below the surrounding area, will a Lidar show it? Of course, it will. But for an unknown reason, the Nazis were apparently able to dig huge mass graves, fill those graves with very numerous corpses, close those graves, reopen them, burn their content to ashes, dump those ashes in the same holes, close those graves once again and finally get a ground surface without any level difference compared to the ground level of the surrounding area. An epic achievement for sure!! Or just a dumb conspiracy theory…

                  Comment by hermie — June 29, 2016 @ 5:03 pm

                • “I didn’t talk about underground disturbances. I talked about depressions ”

                  There wouldn’t be depressions Hermie… These depressions would only be cause if the earth is indented -.- What do you not understand by this?

                  If an area is flat then It will look like where the modern monument is on the lidar.

                  Which proves exactly what I have been saying Hermie… You don’t know how LiDar works.

                  I will again give you something which explains it.

                  “In 2014, a research team of the Staffordshire University, headed by Dr Caroline Sturdy Colls, carried out the “scanning” of the area of the Treblinka death camp with the use of the state-of-the-art technology LIDAR. *This method allows modelling the picture of the ground with the use of a laser.* The picture obtained during the exploration shows an accurate structure of the surface, e.g., without flora.”

                  http://www.sztetl.org.pl/en/cms/news/4696,modern-technologies-in-explorations-of-treblinka/

                  Perhaps you don’t understand the very simple idea that LIDAR ONLY SCANS THE SURFACE.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 29, 2016 @ 5:17 pm

                • You’re entitled to your opinion that tiny graves leave marks at the surface detectable and detected by Lidar, and that huge graves don’t. And I’m entitled to my opinion that it’s BS.

                  Is the area where the modern monument is, the deforested area with the small green rectangles in it? Looks like some kind of plateau, isn’t it?

                  And stop believing that the people disagreeing with you, don’t understand what you say.

                  Comment by hermie — June 30, 2016 @ 4:14 pm

                • “You’re entitled to your opinion that tiny graves leave marks at the surface detectable and detected by Lidar, and that huge graves don’t. ”

                  Its already been explained Hermie…do I need to repeat myself again? Its quite clear that Treblinka 2’s site is flat. It would then appear flat on a LiDar. The graves at the execution site are most likely in that shape as vegetation has grown rampant around it. This would cause a bowl shape to form.

                  “And I’m entitled to my opinion that it’s BS.”

                  Did I say you were not entitled to an opinion hermie?

                  “Is the area where the modern monument is, the deforested area with the small green rectangles in it? Looks like some kind of plateau, isn’t it?
                  And stop believing that the people disagreeing with you, don’t understand what you say.”

                  Yes… Only cause the monument has a flat appeal to it… But its not the only place. Look at Treblinka from google maps. You will see what I mean.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 4:24 pm

                • Click wrote: “Its quite clear that Treblinka 2’s site is flat. ”

                  The core of this issue. Should huge holes dug out, filled, emptied and refilled look like flat areas indistinguishable from the surrounding area? Shouldn’t large flat depressions be seen today where huge mass graves used to be located? The ‘monument plateau’ (only a few centimeters high) is very visible through Lidar imagery.

                  Comment by hermie — June 30, 2016 @ 4:48 pm

                • “The core of this issue. Should huge holes dug out, filled, emptied and refilled look like flat areas indistinguishable from the surrounding area? ”

                  No cause LiDar isn’t a GPR… As well the Germans according to Colls put sand everywhere. Its practically leveling the place. Anyway as already explained treblinka throughout its history has been level. Its shown even more when people look at 1960’s photos of the camp.

                  As well looking at the modern state of the camp its very flat.

                  “Shouldn’t large flat depressions be seen today where huge mass graves used to be located?”

                  Large flat depressions? Hermie the forests around Treblinka 2 in modern times are rather resent… The photo below is from the 1960’s at my best guess… And while its been 40 years on a rough estimate.

                  I’m sure the natural surroundings wouldn’t decompose quickly. I am not exactly a nature expert but this is the conclusion that fits for the depressions. Its not that those depressions are needed. The grounds flat where treblinka 2 is, therefor is will be flat on the lidar. Mind I don’t mean flat as in a piece of paper, I mean flat in appearance.

                  “The ‘monument plateau’ (only a few centimeters high) is very visible through Lidar imagery.”

                  yes, cause its on the surface… -.- What are you not getting about this.

                  Depressions don’t exist in Treblinka 2… alright, and they don’t have to exist In Treblinka 2 for mass graves to exist.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — June 30, 2016 @ 5:09 pm

                • The Germans had visibly anticipated that the Lidar imagery would be invented several decades after the end of the war. So they levelled the ground of their Treblinka ‘death camp’ (but not of their so-called ‘execution site’) so perfectly that their past diggings there are now completely invisible to Lidar ‘eyes.’ At least this is what one is supposed to conclude if the funny evasions of the Holohoax conspiracy theory are to be believed…

                  Will Holohoaxsters someday move from trying to explain why there are no physical evidence for their claims to bringing physical evidence for their claims (not for a tiny fraction of their claims)? Rhetorical…

                  Comment by hermie — July 1, 2016 @ 9:02 am

                • Did I ever claim the Germans saw LiDar coming. Don’t make idiotic responses.

                  I have already shown you an image from the 70’s which shows the Surface to be flat.

                  For some reason you don’t know how Lidar works… It scans only the surface… It’s that simple.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 9:27 am

                • Click wrote: “Did I ever claim the Germans saw LiDar coming. Don’t make idiotic responses.”

                  No, you didn’t. But that would explain why the Germans so carefully levelled the ground at Treblinka, so carefully and perfectly that Lidar imagery is unambiguous: the whole area is perfectly flat and displays no depressions where huge holes were allegedly dug during WW2, except at the alleged ‘execution site’ near Treblinka 1, where tiny graves were established.

                  Click wrote: “I have already shown you an image from the 70’s which shows the Surface to be flat.”

                  Yes, you have.

                  Click wrote: “For some reason you don’t know how Lidar works… It scans only the surface… It’s that simple.”

                  I have very well understood how Lidar works and what it shows.

                  I guess we’ll have to wait for the death of Fluffy or Bella before you’re finally able to understand that graves just don’t cause the emergence of flat areas.😉

                  Comment by hermie — July 2, 2016 @ 8:58 am

                • “No, you didn’t. But that would explain why the Germans so carefully levelled the ground at Treblinka, so carefully and perfectly that Lidar imagery is unambiguous: the whole area is perfectly flat and displays no depressions where huge holes were allegedly dug during WW2, except at the alleged ‘execution site’ near Treblinka 1, where tiny graves were established.”

                  Umm… The site was just pretty much always level… well at least from what can be told. The site was turned into a fake Ukrainian farm. I wouldn’t say the Germans knew it was coming. As well I think I already explained the depression issue.

                  The exact reason why the depressions has formed is most likely plant growth and decay over the years. This is based on the ideas that conditions are poor in that spot and there is a chance the bones which Caroline found were burned.

                  “Yes, you have. ”

                  Alright then no reason to continue.

                  “I have very well understood how Lidar works and what it shows.”

                  That doesn’t show when you demand depressions Hermie.

                  “I guess we’ll have to wait for the death of Fluffy or Bella before you’re finally able to understand that graves just don’t cause the emergence of flat areas.”

                  I would just give it some more time… Eventually people will become less connected with the site… Kind of like Belzec.

                  http://www.1000yearsofjewishheritage.com/0_0_0_0_344_258_csupload_64349293.jpg?u=3595756922

                  My bet is simply just that’s how the ground has been. As well it could be as already explained the monuments… As well depressions don’t exactly have to show. For example I would ask you to return to the link that talks about the Old gas chamber. Its causing something to protrude vs causing depressions.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 2, 2016 @ 9:35 am

                • See?

                  Comment by hermie — July 2, 2016 @ 9:41 am

                • I guess… I don’t see them predicting LiDar… But the land was flattened in a way.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 2, 2016 @ 9:51 am

                • Click wrote: “Umm… The site was just pretty much always level… well at least from what can be told.”

                  True. It was.

                  Click wrote: “The site was turned into a fake Ukrainian farm.”

                  No need to tell me fairy tales. Testimonial ‘evidence’ is only good enough for Ufology and Bigfoot hunting.

                  Click wrote: “I wouldn’t say the Germans knew it was coming.”

                  Of course they didn’t. That’s why they didn’t perform that impossible job of levelling the ground of their alleged mass graves at Treblinka 2 as to create a perfectly flat area.

                  Click wrote: “As well I think I already explained the depression issue.”

                  You didn’t explain anything. You only conceded that there are no depressions in the ground of Treblinka 2 where huge mass graves allegedly existed during WW2.

                  Click wrote: “The exact reason why the depressions has formed is most likely plant growth and decay over the years. This is based on the ideas that conditions are poor in that spot and there is a chance the bones which Caroline found were burned.”

                  Why would Miss Colls have used Lidar imagery to find and exhume graves at Treblinka if those depressions were the consequence of plant activities (growth and decay) over the years? Nonsensical.

                  Click wrote: “That doesn’t show when you demand depressions Hermie.”

                  Of course that shows. That’s why Colls used Lidar images in order to find depressions as indicators of holes/graves.

                  Comment by hermie — July 2, 2016 @ 10:04 am

                • Click wrote: “I don’t see them predicting LiDar… But the land was flattened in a way.”

                  …or always flat, i.e. never ‘unflattened,’ disturbed, dug.

                  Your remark illustrates very well the biased conclusions of any ‘research’ based on preconceived beliefs. When shown high tech physical evidence for the lack of any mass graves at Treblinka 2, you just conclude ‘I don’t how they managed to do that, but they visibly succeeded in flattening the area in a way or another.’😮😮😮😮

                  Comment by hermie — July 2, 2016 @ 10:18 am

                • There wasn’t much else to work off from and your creating a Non-issue. There was no Bias shown at all. In what way do you think the german’s would expect a technology which wouldn’t come out for another 20 years? I think I speak for everyone that hardly anyone would see a laser shooting out from a plane and reflecting back to measure distance. Especially in the 1940’s Considering LiDar didn’t come out till the 1960’s.

                  The point is quite clear and said and shown to you plenty of times. There is no bias and I haven’t gone off to continue the argument of “Physical” evidence.

                  My Point is quite clear that maybe at some other point in time we will be able to dig at treblinka.

                  If you want to try an make a claim of no mass graves then you can turn your dishonest ramblings here to HC’s white paper.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 2, 2016 @ 11:54 am

                • Click wrote: “There wasn’t much else to work off from and your creating a Non-issue. There was no Bias shown at all. In what way do you think the german’s would expect a technology which wouldn’t come out for another 20 years? I think I speak for everyone that hardly anyone would see a laser shooting out from a plane and reflecting back to measure distance. Especially in the 1940’s Considering LiDar didn’t come out till the 1960’s.”

                  I didn’t say that the Germans expected Lidar technology in the 1940’s. I only implied that crazy and laughable option in order to ridicule the theory that they would have performed the impossible task of perfectly levelling their alleged mass graves for concealment purposes, to hide alleged criminal activities from a technology which came out decades after the end of WW2.

                  Click wrote: “The point is quite clear and said and shown to you plenty of times. There is no bias and I haven’t gone off to continue the argument of “Physical” evidence.”

                  Yes, I know. No surprise. Holohoaxsters hate science and physical evidence. Capitulation and defeat dully noted. So from now on, I’ll leave the collection of Ufology-like testimonial ‘evidence’ to you and yours, and I’ll keep the unsuccessful quest for physical evidence of the ‘Holocaust’ for myself. I’ll just keep laughing at your funny belief that there are no physical evidence of the ‘Holocaust’ because some Nazi Wizards destroyed any physical evidence of it by mysterious means, and I’ll also keep believing that there are no physical evidence of it because the ‘Holocaust’ is mainly an atrocity propaganda lie.

                  And why the quotation marks? Aren’t depressions indicating [mass] graves physical evidence for you???

                  Cilck wrote: “My Point is quite clear that maybe at some other point in time we will be able to dig at treblinka.”

                  If it is to exhume things not related to the ‘Holocaust’ once again, it’s not worth the trouble.

                  Comment by hermie — July 3, 2016 @ 7:48 am

                • You want physical evidence you can go with a shovel and dig on site. I’m not arguing it cause you can literally find bones on these sites with no tomorrow.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 11:01 am

                • Click wrote: “you can literally find bones”

                  I don’t doubt a number of people died en route and were buried in some places including at the Reinhardt camps. But if Holohoaxsters want everybody to believe that around 900,000 died at Treblinka, they’ll have to show the physical evidence of around 900,000 corpses and of weapons of mass murder.

                  Click wrote: “on these sites with no tomorrow. ”

                  Poetic…

                  Comment by hermie — July 3, 2016 @ 11:21 am

                • You wrote: “But if Holohoaxsters want everybody to believe that around 900,000 died at Treblinka, they’ll have to show the physical evidence of around 900,000 corpses and of weapons of mass murder.”

                  I wrote a blog post about the lack of evidence at Treblinka:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/proof-of-nazi-genocide-found-at-treblinka-its-the-pits/

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 3, 2016 @ 11:36 am

                • 900,000 people isn’t the only estimate… Some people slash it down to 700,000….

                  Regardless Its quite easy to understand Hermie that one can find bones which symbolize burning. And there are no witnesses claiming Transit east… There are some which were transferred to places like Lublin and Majdanek…. But that’s really it.

                  What should one expect from finding a bone which is black on one side and pure white on the other?

                  Its in a way symbolizes calcination… Its what we see and what was found from the 1960’s dig.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 11:59 am

                • Hermie also one more thing… on this point real quick.

                  “Click wrote: “The site was turned into a fake Ukrainian farm.”

                  No need to tell me fairy tales. Testimonial ‘evidence’ is only good enough for Ufology and Bigfoot hunting.”\

                  This is literally what it changed into… If you look at the Air photographs the white building is labeled “Ukrainian farm house”

                  See?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 2:46 pm

                • Click wrote: “one can find bones which symbolize burning.”

                  It sounds like something Wiesel could say…

                  Click wrote: “And there are no witnesses claiming Transit east…”

                  I couldn’t care less about what witnesses did or didn’t say. I’m not hunting the Lochness monster!!

                  Click wrote: “What should one expect from finding a bone which is black on one side and pure white on the other? Its in a way symbolizes calcination… Its what we see and what was found from the 1960’s dig.”

                  The cremation of contagious or potentially contagious dead bodies sounds like a sensible idea.

                  I’ve asked for physical evidence of the whole claim (not 3 or 4 bones) and all I got was a handful of symbols…

                  Click wrote: “This is literally what it changed into… If you look at the Air photographs the white building is labeled “Ukrainian farm house””

                  It could be labelled “Steven Spielberg’s Mansion” or “Nazi Human soap factory”, and I think that I would be nevertheless as unimpressed by your ‘agument’ as I am right now.

                  Comment by hermie — July 3, 2016 @ 5:12 pm

                • “It sounds like something Wiesel could say…”
                  Or something which is true.

                  Also if it were a transit camp we should expect more transit testimonial. Since 1.2 million people were sent to these camps alone.

                  But the only argument they can present is transfers.

                  Also they were not cremating contagious bodies. You have to work off information which is given and according to the witnesses, every last one. This camp was a death camp.

                  Even the Germans said it was.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 3, 2016 @ 6:01 pm

                • Click wrote: “Or something which is true.”

                  Waw!! Roberto Muehlenkamp found fewer bone fragments than those in the bag below alone (see the video below). So the ‘Holocaust’ must be true…😉

                  Click wrote: “Also if it were a transit camp we should expect more transit testimonial. Since 1.2 million people were sent to these camps alone.”

                  Fallacious reasoning. You could have said as well: ‘Nobody ever testified that he or she was never abducted and anally probed by Aliens having travelled lightyears only to examine and study human rectums. So the numerous testimony-based stories of Alien abductions are true.’

                  Click wrote: “Also they were not cremating contagious bodies. You have to work off information which is given and according to the witnesses, every last one. This camp was a death camp.”

                  And according to other testimonies, the Germans also run large factories making human soap and human-skin lampshades, wallets, handbags, book covers, etc. But we both know that’s merely BS. Witness testimonies are equivalent to zero evidence. Useless air stirs. Just meaningless wind blown into my ears.

                  Click wrote: “Even the Germans said it was.”

                  They also ‘confessed’ after the war that they had used homicidal gas chambers at Buchenwald. In past ‘trials,’ most Knights Templar ‘confessed’ all kinds of extravagant crimes and very numerous women ‘confessed’ that they had a pact and even sex with the Devil and his demons. Confessions are just a sort of testimonies. Non-probative verbal BS…

                  Comment by hermie — July 4, 2016 @ 8:23 am

  7. A statue made from human ash!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really? You want us to believe this shit these days with the ability to do a Dna test that would presumably disprove this nonsense once and for all.

    Comment by Mr B — June 28, 2016 @ 12:11 pm

    • I don’t think you can do a DNA test on actual ash. If there are fragments of unburnt material in with the ash (bones, teeth), then maybe a DNA test would be possible. But even if such a test disclosed human origin, it still wouldn’t be very meaningful in terms of the mythology in question, or even necessarily the origin of the ash itself.

      Comment by Jett Rucker — June 28, 2016 @ 2:31 pm

  8. “In Majdanek Camp III a three bird statue stands, built in 1943 by a [Majdanek] camp prisoner whom the Nazis commissioned for the job. The statue, made of prisoners’ ash, in fact is the first Holocaust memorial.”

    There is no end to this holocaust nonsense is there – the fabricated tales get worse and worse. But they know they can get away it, because people have been brainwashed by all this crap ever since they were kids at school.

    Comment by Talbot — June 28, 2016 @ 12:03 pm

  9. Oh spare me…..using lice infested hair? Now that would be worth getting, and exactly where did they use that lice infested hair?
    All the info in the article typical HoloHoax propaganda…..
    I’m surprised they didn’t mention the SS bayoneting babies and then trowing them into the fire, oh that was a myth during WW1 also…LOL
    And to think people believe this crap. Again without the Holes in the roof there would be NO Holocaust.
    The only problem for the HoloHuxsters is how many holes were there…..Actually none but they still can’t agree.
    The talk is from 1 to 6….How about none….So my question to the Holohuxsters prove to me there were holes in the roofs.
    We revisionist have proof they were cut in later what do you have?

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — June 28, 2016 @ 11:39 am

    • Hair CAN be deloused without hurting the hair – or EVEN the person whose head the hair is on. But it’s a LOT cheaper and easier to delouse (and otherwise clean) LOOSE hair than it is to treat hair that’s still on the (otherwise louse-infested) person it grew on.

      Comment by Jett Rucker — June 28, 2016 @ 2:34 pm


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