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July 1, 2016

misuse of photos in news stories…

Filed under: Health, Holocaust — furtherglory @ 10:47 am

For years, I have been complaining about the misuse of photos in news articles about the Holocaust.

Gypsy children suffering from Noma

Gypsy children at Auschwitz-Birkenau who were suffering from a disease called Noma

This morning I read a news article which showed this photo. For some reason, I can no longer find the link to the article. Maybe this news story has already been taken down.

For years, the photo above has been claimed, by the Jews, to be Jewish children who had been tortured by the Nazis.  Actually, this is a photo of Gypsy children who are suffering from a disease called Noma.  Dr. Josef Mengele was studying these children, in hopes of finding a cure for this disease.

 

 

61 Comments »

  1. When you allege that these children are suffering from Noma, which symptoms are you basing it on?

    Comment by Anonymous — July 3, 2016 @ 1:00 pm

  2. For some reason, FG, you didn’t mention that this photo has been painted and drawn on. It does not represent the real conditions of these kids. It is unmistakable on the girl at the far left, front row seated. The “shadows” along her arms and chest are clearly swabs of paint.. All the dark coloring on the other children is also painted on. This is a FAKE, yet you are taking the position that it shows kids with the disease of Noma.

    Noma is a bacterial disease of the mouth and genital area, according to Wikipedia, not the skin.

    Noma neonatorum is an infection of the skin resulting in blistering. It would not show up in a photograph as black as it does here unless they were covered in very bad blisters. But they don’t look as if they are in pain [or even uncomfortable or very sad], do they?

    Here is a page of images of Noma victims. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Noma+neonatorum&t=ffab&iax=1&ia=images This is a disease found in “developing countries” and the gypsy way of life would fit that. You have previously said it was a genetic condition for gypsies, but that would not be the case. It’s a bacterial infection. Jeff K. is a fake too and says anything just to argue.

    Comment by ewtattoo — July 2, 2016 @ 10:46 am

    • You wrote: “You have previously said it was a genetic condition for gypsies, but that would not be the case. It’s a bacterial infection.”

      Where and when did I say that Noma was a genetic condition for gypsies?

      Dr. Josef Mengele was studying these children, in hopes of finding a cure for this disease.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 2, 2016 @ 11:32 am

      • You mean dr. Mengele wasn’t there trying to seek ways to kill all these kids? That’s what the Holohucksters whant you to believe. They want you to believe that Dr. Menele was the doctor death.
        If you listen to everyone who told their HoloHoax stories everybody knew Dr. Mengele even people that weren’t in the same camp he was in.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — July 2, 2016 @ 1:39 pm

      • You’ve always said it was a condition peculiar to gypsies or gypsy children. I’m not going to hunt for it but that is how I recall it.

        Comment by ewtattoo — July 2, 2016 @ 3:26 pm

        • Why are we getting off topic here? Who cares about the genetic condition of Gypsies?? The issue is many children survived the camps….there were many babies born in the camps….the Germans didn’t kill babies in the camps like the Horror Disneyland liars want you to believe. Again show me a picture of a baby killed in the camps by homicidal means. If they did die it was most likely by normal causes of sickness and disease.
          The fact that children survived must be a thorn in the flesh for the Holohuxsters…..How do they explain it happening.
          Oh I know, it’s like their other highly technical answer to why the Holocaust happened ….The Holocaust happened because it happened….LOL
          Too technical for me.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — July 2, 2016 @ 3:49 pm

      • Sorry, should also have commented: Who says Dr. Mengele was studying these children for Noma? Did you read that in one of your standard Holocaust works, or the manuels put out at the concentration camp museums? And do you really believe they could have looked like they do in this “photograph?”

        Comment by ewtattoo — July 2, 2016 @ 3:33 pm

        • You wrote: “Who says Dr. Mengele was studying these children for Noma?”

          The following quote is from the web site of the USHMM:

          Begin quote

          They (the Gypsies) were killed by gassing or died from starvation, exhaustion from hard labor, and disease (including typhus, smallpox, and the rare, leprosy-like condition called Noma.) Others, including many children, died as the result of cruel medical experiments performed by Dr. Josef Mengele and other SS physicians. The Gypsy camp was liquidated on the night of August 2-3, 1944, when 2,897 Sinti and Roma men, women, and children were killed in the gas chamber. Some 1,400 surviving men and women were transferred to Buchenwald and Ravensbrück concentration camps for forced labor.
          End quote

          According to a guidebook sold by the Auschwitz Museum, there were 20,943 Roma (Gypsies) who were gassed in the Krema V gas chamber; their bodies were burned in the pits adjacent to Krema V.

          Rudolf Hoess wrote in his autobiography, entitled “Death Dealer,” that many of the Gypsy children suffered from an illness called “Noma,” which reminded him of leprosy.

          Comment by furtherglory — July 2, 2016 @ 3:45 pm

          • Oh, and the USHMM is totally believable, is it? This is exactly what I’m trying to say to you. You use standard holocaust sources for “truth:” and you are unwilling to give them up. Rudolf Hoess’ book can not be believed either.

            You didn’t answer the more important question: Do you really believe these kids looked like they do in this “photo?” Were they covered in black soot? What about the obvious painted parts? And their calm expressions? Why aren’t they crying? Do they enjoy having leprosy?

            Comment by ewtattoo — July 2, 2016 @ 4:51 pm

            • “Oh, and the USHMM is totally believable, is it? This is exactly what I’m trying to say to you. You use standard holocaust sources for “truth:” and you are unwilling to give them up. Rudolf Hoess’ book can not be believed either.

              You didn’t answer the more important question: Do you really believe these kids looked like they do in this “photo?” Were they covered in black soot? What about the obvious painted parts? And their calm expressions? Why aren’t they crying? Do they enjoy having leprosy?”

              Oh, God. You link back to the craptastic website run by that Nazi groupie, Caroline Yeager.

              It’s funny, I once ran her off. I wonder how Hitler would feel, an “Aryan” chased off by a “Jew.”

              😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😜😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

              I’m sure ol’ Hitler is rolling in whatever toilet the Soviets flushed his ashes down.

              Comment by Jeff K. — July 2, 2016 @ 4:57 pm

            • To FG – In this article http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2013/volume_5/number_4/dr_mengeles_medical_experiments_on_twins.php there is the following reliable information:

              …the testimony of Dr. Jan Čespiva, who had worked as a physician in the gypsy camp hospital:

              “There was an outbreak of noma. The disease caused entire pieces of flesh to fall off, also affecting the lower jaw. I had never seen gangrene of the face like that. The crania of the children were prepared for the SS Academy at Graz. I know because we wrote the address. The heads were preserved in formaldehyde, the bodies were destroyed in Crematory III.”10

              And there is more in that article. But do you see anything wrong with the faces, mouths and jaws of the children in your picture? This picture does not show Noma or any variation of it at all. It is a total FAKE, and it’s so obvious that it is I just can’t believe you would fall for it.

              Comment by ewtattoo — July 2, 2016 @ 5:25 pm

            • You wrote: “You use standard holocaust sources for “truth:” and you are unwilling to give them up.”
              I also use Holocaust denier sources for truth. I have written over 1500 blog posts. Have you read all of them?

              I have complained about the misuse of photos on my blog at
              https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/05/17/beware-of-illustrating-news-articles-with-photos-that-promote-holocaust-denial/

              Comment by furtherglory — July 2, 2016 @ 6:26 pm

              • You still haven’t answered whether you think that picture is a true reflection of those children in the camp. Your blog post assumes that it is. So I think you have to admit you were wrong and should never have posted it. Or insist you are right. One or the other.

                Comment by ewtattoo — July 2, 2016 @ 6:32 pm

                • You wrote: “You still haven’t answered whether you think that picture is a true reflection of those children in the camp.”

                  Back in 1944 or 1945, it was not possible to use Photoshop to change a photo. I think that the photo shows what these children looked like. I don’t know why they looked like this.

                  Back in 1950 when I was taking photography classes in college, we were taught how to change a photo. I don’t think that the Nazis were doing anything like this in 1944. The photo is real, but the bodies of the children might have been painted before the photo was taken. Especially, the photo of the pretty girl might have been painted a little bit.

                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Birkenau01B2.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 2, 2016 @ 6:46 pm

                • You wrote: “So I think you have to admit you were wrong and should never have posted it. Or insist you are right. One or the other.”

                  I feel as if I am on trial. You are being very aggressive. I am writing a blog for my enjoyment, not to be attacked.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 2, 2016 @ 6:52 pm

                • FG dear, it’s called Accountability. To an aggressive holocaust revisionist like me, everyone is held to a reasonably high standard, even those who are involved solely for their own enjoyment. What’s to enjoy, anyway?

                  I think you should revamp your page heading to add “A blog for my personal enjoyment, not to be taken seriously”. Yes, I really do.

                  In 1944-45 photo retouching was certainly being done. And this photo was not re-touched by the Nazis either, but by the Allies! It is a very crude job. Very crude. To suggest the bodies of the children might have been painted – gosh, that is very strange. You can see on the body of the “pretty girl” that the photograph itself was painted on — along her arms especially it is obvious. Toward her shoulders these are not shadows, but paint. All the children have been deformed with black paint … on the photographic paper.

                  And I think these children were wearing clothes too, it is especially obvious with the boys in the back. You can see their necklines and their chests are all lumpy because the “artist” was not able to make it look like skin. The boy second from left with the big head has nipples in line with his armpits. That’s part of the reason for all the black paint, trying to get it right, finally just covering up the botched job Only the faces were not touched, where in the real gypsy camp, the disease affected only the faces!!

                  I am shocked, in fact I am infuriated, that you believe this photo is real. That you can say Dr. Joseph Mengele was actually studying these poor, pathetic specimens. It’s a disgrace.

                  I also want to comment that these kids don’t look at all “gypsy” or Jewish. There are three blonde boys in the back row.

                  Comment by ewtattoo — July 2, 2016 @ 8:34 pm

                • You wrote: “I think you should revamp your page heading to add “A blog for my personal enjoyment, not to be taken seriously”. Yes, I really do.”

                  This morning I read my blog statistics before I read the comments. Lucky for you, I didn’t read the comments first. My blog statistics show that my blog was read by a very large number of people, twice as many people as ever before.

                  I am 83 years old and ready to retire from blogging and from writing on my website. You know everything and you can write really well. So I am turning everything over to you. You can change every word on my website and on my blog, so that it is your satisfaction. I am so happy that you came along, just when I am ready to retire.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 3, 2016 @ 7:14 am

              • I am sorry but I have to respectfully refuse your offer, FG. I am too close to retirement age myself and have my hands full. I’m facing the same quandry as you, actually – what to do with my body of work when I’m no longer actively involved with it.

                You would have to be very lucky to find a qualified replacement. Maybe readers should start applying now and sending you their resumes.

                Comment by ewtattoo — July 3, 2016 @ 1:28 pm

                • “I am sorry but I have to respectfully refuse your offer, FG. I am too close to retirement age myself and have my hands full. I’m facing the same quandry as you, actually – what to do with my body of work when I’m no longer actively involved with it.

                  You would have to be very lucky to find a qualified replacement. Maybe readers should start applying now and sending you their resumes.”

                  I think you should start shutting down all of your stuff now, Carolyn.
                  Let’s face it, the world will be a cleaner, brighter place without your crappy websites cluttering up cyberspace.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 3, 2016 @ 1:56 pm

    • “Jeff K. is a fake too and says anything just to argue.”

      What do you mean by fake?

      Like I’m a figment of your imagination?

      You’re right, I don’t really exist.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 2, 2016 @ 12:37 pm

  3. You neglected to give a cause for this disease.

    https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001342.htm

    Noma is caused by malnutrition and living in an unhygienic environment.

    In other words, a concentration camp.

    Those children didn’t develop that disease until they were sent to Auschwitz.

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 1, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

    • You wrote: “Those [Gypsy] children didn’t develop that disease [Noma] until they were sent to Auschwitz.”

      It is my understanding that the Gypsy children had Noma when they arrived at Auschwitz. Were the Gypsy children given a different diet at Auschwitz? AFAIK, no Jewish children developed Noma at the camp.

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/porrajmos-the-persecution-of-the-roma-and-sinti-by-the-nazis/

      Comment by furtherglory — July 1, 2016 @ 1:49 pm

        • You can’t blame the Germans…..
          These diseases were natural causes not premeditated to harm anyone.
          How could they be?
          I’m sure they had health issues in the ghettos…
          Most reasons for deaths in most wars has been disease..

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — July 1, 2016 @ 2:28 pm

          • “You can’t blame the Germans…..”

            Yes I can. Placing innocent Jews or gypsies in overcrowded circumstances where the hygiene is poor and malnutrition exists facilitates disease, Jim. Under normal circumstances these conditions do not exist. The Noma appeared after the gypsies were incarcerated, not before.

            “These diseases were natural causes not premeditated to harm anyone.
            How could they be?”

            I can’t ascribe motive, Jim. But cramming these people together under poor conditions with inadequate food was guaranteed to put these people at risk.

            “I’m sure they had health issues in the ghettos…”

            Yes, but who set up the ghettos, Jim? Ghettoes no longer existed in Europe until the Germans resurrected them.

            “Most reasons for deaths in most wars has been disease..”

            Absolutely. You are right.
            But, by the time of the Second World War, the causes of disease were well known. Overcrowding any group of people, Jew or otherwise, was understood to cause disease.

            Comment by Jeff K. — July 1, 2016 @ 2:53 pm

            • You wrote: “The Noma appeared after the gypsies were incarcerated, not before.”
              What is your source for this bit of information?

              I am sure that the Nazis hated the Jews more than they hated the Gypsies. Why did they give the Jews a diet that did not result in Noma?

              Were the gypsies at Auschwitz-Birkenau given a different diet than the Jews?

              Were there any gypsies, that ever got Noma, who were not in a concentration camp?

              Are you aware that Gypsy men do not work. The Gypsy women have to do all the work, and bring in the money, while also taking care of the children.

              Comment by furtherglory — July 1, 2016 @ 5:48 pm

              • You wrote: “The Noma appeared after the gypsies were incarcerated, not before.”
                What is your source for this bit of information?

                The link for book I posted.

                “I am sure that the Nazis hated the Jews more than they hated the Gypsies. Why did they give the Jews a diet that did not result in Noma?”

                Noma affects very young children, between the ages of 2-5. The gypsy camp contained many very young children. The diet caused this disease. Except for the family camp Auschwitz-Birkenau did not have Jewish children that young.
                For the Terezin Camp, I don’t have any information on instances of Noma among Jewish children.

                “Were the gypsies at Auschwitz-Birkenau given a different diet than the Jews?”

                Probably not. Again, the disease affects young children. There weren’t many Jewish children that age in Birkenau.

                “Were there any gypsies, that ever got Noma, who were not in a concentration camp?”

                The only instance of this disease I know of occurred in Birkenau, in the gypsy camp.

                “Are you aware that Gypsy men do not work. The Gypsy women have to do all the work, and bring in the money, while also taking care of the children.”

                I had no idea. I’m not how relevant this information is.

                Comment by Jeff K. — July 1, 2016 @ 6:13 pm

                • None of the “children” in this and similar alleged photos of Gypsy children at Auschwitz supposedly suffering from Noma exhibit any of the conditions by which Noma in readily recognized. Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ on a Farggin Rubber Crutch, how anyone sitting at a computer with access to so much information could so readily accept as authentic these so obviously faked photos , when within a matter of seconds and a few clicks one can discover just how fraudulent they and what victims of Noma look like.
                  https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&authuser=0&biw=1111&bih=508&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=images+of+victims+of+Noma&oq=images+of+victims+of+Noma&gs_l=img.12…15443.31772.0.34313.29.22.2.4.5.0.261.2347.10j10j1.21.0….0…1c.1.64.img..2.16.1271…0.QNdRktl1u1o#imgrc=_GaiH1Yryn3DLM%3A

                  I don’t care what disease one incurs. Nofargginbody so malnourished as to be nearly skeletal in appearance is going have a facial appearance of someone fairly well nourished!

                  As Mark Twain observed… “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you in trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so!”

                  Comment by shafarnullifidian — July 1, 2016 @ 8:09 pm

                • “None of the “children” in this and similar alleged photos of Gypsy children at Auschwitz supposedly suffering from Noma exhibit any of the conditions by which Noma in readily recognized.”

                  I didn’t claim the pictures show children suffering from Noma, FG did.
                  However, it’s obvious that the children are suffering from something.

                  “Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ on a Farggin Rubber Crutch,”

                  That’s different.

                  “how anyone sitting at a computer with access to so much information could so readily accept as authentic these so obviously faked photos”

                  Proof that these pictures are fake?

                  “when within a matter of seconds and a few clicks one can discover just how fraudulent they and what victims of Noma look like.
                  https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&authuser=0&biw=1111&bih=508&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=images+of+victims+of+Noma&oq=images+of+victims+of+Noma&gs_l=img.12…15443.31772.0.34313.29.22.2.4.5.0.261.2347.10j10j1.21.0….0…1c.1.64.img..2.16.1271…0.QNdRktl1u1o#imgrc=_GaiH1Yryn3DLM%3A”

                  Well, those pictures were gruesome. I’m glad I finished my dinner.

                  “I don’t care what disease one incurs.”

                  “Nofargginbody”

                  My spell check freaked over this word. Kudos.

                  “so malnourished as to be nearly skeletal in appearance is going have a facial appearance of someone fairly well nourished!”

                  Except that children, especially young children, often have chubby faces even when they are malnourished. I learned that when I worked in Child Protective Services. In order to determine malnourishment it is a requirement to view the child in a diaper. I’ve experienced this personally.

                  “As Mark Twain observed… “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you in trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so!”

                  My, you are entertaining. Can’t go wrong with Mark Twain.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 1, 2016 @ 8:24 pm

          • Yes but we can blaming them for starving people in bergen belsen.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 3:14 pm

            • Click you might want to do a little more research on Bergen belsen it was the British that took control of that camp and more people died after they took control that camp thing before that’s a fact.
              I’m sure FG has posted about Bergen belsen.
              I put a video up on YouTube death by a meal check it out.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — July 1, 2016 @ 3:37 pm

              • No a good number of people starved and died of disease in the camp. As well there was a enough food to feed the people of the camp… It was rather close as well. Major A. L. BERNEY.

                Does his name sound familiar?

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 4:06 pm

                • Death by a meal

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 1, 2016 @ 4:41 pm

                • “I am with 817 Military Government Detachment. On 15th April I was sent by Headquarters 8 Corps to Colonel Taylor of the Occupying Forces of the Belsen Camp. Colonel Taylor and Brigadier Glyn Hughes were in charge. On the next day I was told to find the nearest food store, which I did at the north of the Panzer Troop School about three kilometres from the camp. I found the Hauptmann in charge of the store who informed me that he was responsible for sending some food from his store to the camp . potatoes and turnips. He did not give me any reason as to why that was the only stuff supplied. I obtained a list of food in the store from him, and remember there were 600 tons of potatoes, 120 tons of tinned meat, 30 tons of sugar, upwards of 20 tons of powdered milk; cocoa, grain, wheat and other foodstuffs.”

                  “Q: Did you find whether there was a bakery there or not?

                  A: Yes. There is a very large bakery there with a capacity, I was told, of 60,000 loaves a day, which was completely staffed. It appeared to me that there was a very vast quantity of all the necessary materials available for making bread. The bakery is still working now and most of the staff are the same.”

                  “Q:From your investigation of the stocks available, was there any reason why Camp No 1 should not have been supplied with food?

                  A: I cannot see any conceivable reason.”

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 4:56 pm

                • The truth here…
                  http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n3p23_weber.html

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 1, 2016 @ 5:04 pm

                • Jim read what he has said.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 5:11 pm

                • There is also no mention of the man I have givens study of the camp.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 5:21 pm

                • Also just cause some members of the camp died after being fed just shows the Germans starved them.

                  It’s a lack of nutrition and they should have slowly been fed to health. Not just having food tossed in front of them.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 4:59 pm

                • Click produces a piece of transcript from a tribunal or enquiry which details the search by an Allied soldier for food supplies in the vicinity of the Belsen camp. This states;-

                  ” I found the Hauptmann in charge of the store who informed me that he was responsible for sending some food from his store to the camp . potatoes and turnips. He did not give me any reason as to why that was the only stuff supplied. I obtained a list of food in the store from him, and remember there were 600 tons of potatoes, 120 tons of tinned meat, 30 tons of sugar, upwards of 20 tons of powdered milk; cocoa, grain, wheat and other foodstuffs.”

                  “Q: Did you find whether there was a bakery there or not?

                  A: Yes. There is a very large bakery there with a capacity, I was told, of 60,000 loaves a day, which was completely staffed. It appeared to me that there was a very vast quantity of all the necessary materials available for making bread. The bakery is still working now and most of the staff are the same. ”

                  Note; there is no name of this “Hauptmann” who was in charge of the alleged food store. Was he – or any of the staff at the vast “60,000 loaves a day” bakery – called to give evidence before this tribunal? And there doesn’t seem to be a documented inventory, or list, of the food items. We have to rely solely on the verbal testimony of this un-named soldier – who for all we know, was put up to this story by his superior officers: the idea being, to make the Germans look as bad as possible in deliberately with-holding food from the inmates.

                  I am highly suspicious that such a food store and bakery existed on anything like this scale – “120 tons of tinned meat, 30 tons of sugar, 20 tons of powdered milk”. Did food stocks like this really exist within war-ravaged Germany in late-April 1945? And where was the cocoa imported from – Germany had been under blockade for years before 1945. There were no ships bringing commodities like this into Europe from the tropical regions.

                  Comment by Talbot — July 1, 2016 @ 6:20 pm

                • There are tons of trails, and I wouldn’t believe he was tried… It doesn’t even actually matter if he was… So meny people who took part in holocaust were
                  NOT put on trial.

                  So we cannot just conclude he would have been tried at Nuremberg… At Nuremberg it was mostly public officials and high officers. Though some lower ranks did get tried in smaller trials.

                  As for your claim against documented inventory. Perhaps you could show this, as not every document is uploaded online. If you wish to see if there is any documented inventory then I would contact the bergen belsen memorial museum.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 6:39 pm

                • As well Josef Kramer was also ordered to destroy documents. Don’t forget the Germans have an awful history of destroying records before liberation.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 6:43 pm

              • You wrote: “I’m sure FG has posted about Bergen belsen.”

                I have visited the former Bergen-Belsen camp and I have a section about it on my website at
                http://www.scrapbookpages.com/BergenBelsen/ConcentrationCamp.html

                Bergen-Belsen is in a beautiful area of Germany that looks a lot like England.

                Comment by furtherglory — July 1, 2016 @ 5:36 pm

            • You wrote: “..but we can blaming them for starving people in bergen belsen”

              No one was starved in Bergen-Belsen; there was a typhus epidemic.

              Comment by furtherglory — July 1, 2016 @ 5:42 pm

              • Actually a good number died of starvation FG, though a good number also died of Disease… Not just typhus alone. I do understand typhus is a disease but it wasn’t the only thing. A large issue though is the prisoners were not given nutrition, and the guards appeared well fed.

                SPIEGEL: How did the German prison guards act?

                Sassoon: Brutally. One time I found a potato and wanted to bake it in the ashes of a fire. A female prison guard saw me and told me very kindly to put my hand nearer the fire so that I could warm myself. She was a very impressive. A tall, blue-eyed woman. I can still picture her beautiful white teeth. Suddenly she slammed her boot down on my small hand into the fire. My fingers were crushed and all the skin was burnt. A horrific pain shot through my body. People told me later that this must have been the infamous Irma Grese. I didn’t know women could be so cruel.

                http://m.spiegel.de/international/a-435884.html

                I am quite sure Jim will just call the survivors testimony a lie, but it doesn’t exactly matter. I could continue… But I think you get it. As well the restriction of food especially when it’s so abundant doesn’t seem very fair or exactly fit the whole “the Germans tried to keep their prisoners alive as best they could” kind of story.

                Especially when they shot the same witness I have provided along one of the death marches.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 6:24 pm

                • You wrote: “People told me later that this must have been the infamous Irma Grese. I didn’t know women could be so cruel.”

                  I wrote about Irma Grese on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/BergenBelsen/BergenBelsen08.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 1, 2016 @ 6:52 pm

                • Alright, and Nizkor has a page with her testimony on it.

                  http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/bergen-belsen/belsen-trial-05.html

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 1, 2016 @ 7:01 pm

                • The way I understand it is the people in the camps were actually better off than the people outside the camps at least they had a systematic way of getting food where as the people outside the camp didn’t. I think the Germans did the best they could with what they had but when you have the Allies bombing all the Rail lines roads coming into the camps how would you expect the Germans to be able to deal with that…. no one would be able to deal with that.
                  I think you’re putting a lot of undue critisism upon them when the situation they had they had no control over.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 1, 2016 @ 7:08 pm

                • FG’s Scrapbook page about Bergen-Belsen gives the following information about a female camp guard named Herta Bothe;-

                  ” As of 2005, Herta Bothe was still alive and still defensive about her job as a female guard at Bergen-Belsen, maintaining that she had been conscripted in September 1942, at the age of 21, to work in the concentration camps; she claimed that she would have been put into a concentration camp herself if she had refused… She had previously worked as a nurse in a German hospital.

                  …When Bergen-Belsen was turned over to the British on April 15, 1945, Herta Bothe had been a guard there, in charge of 60 women prisoners, for no more than seven or eight weeks. She had arrived in the camp between February 20th and February 26th in charge of a death march of women prisoners evacuated from Poland. Bothe was one of the 80 guards who volunteered to stay behind to help the British take over the camp, not realizing that under the Allied concept of co-responsibility, she would be put on trial as a war criminal…

                  …Today, Herta Bothe is well known because of her defiant attitude and her show of anger when the women were ordered by the British to carry the rotten corpses to mass graves with their bare hands. In interviews years later, Bothe described how she was terrified of contracting typhus because the guards were not allowed to wear gloves or masks. She described how the arms and legs of the decomposed bodies came off in her hands when she tried to pick them up, and how lifting the emaciated bodies caused her back pain. Although the British brought in bulldozers and shoved some of the bodies into the mass graves, they forced the former guards to do most of the work manually as their just punishment for the horrible conditions found in the camp…

                  …Bothe was sentenced to ten years in prison after being convicted by a British Military Tribunal in 1946. She was released on December 22, 1951. ”

                  Good old Herta Bothe, say I. She is absolutely certain in her own mind that she did not do anything wrong at all. In fact, it would appear that she volunteered to stay behind at Belsen to help the massive clear-up of the camp. But what thanks does she get – Oh, just ten years in prison; while Allied airmen who knowingly and willingly targeted men, women and children – plus Soviet soldiers who brutally raped their way across eastern Germany are awarded medals, and told that they are the most righteous individuals on the planet.

                  My goodness me – it was “victor’s justice” alright!

                  Comment by Talbot — July 2, 2016 @ 9:13 am

                • Herta Bothe…. I have a video on her…

                  Regardless it doesn’t matter, as your just going to treat this inappropriately.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 2, 2016 @ 9:38 am

                • You wrote: “Herta Bothe…. I have a video on her…”

                  I wrote about Herta on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/07/06/herta-bothe-the-sadist-of-bergen-belsen-remained-defiant-to-the-end/

                  It is important to note that Herta stayed behind, after Bergen-Belsen was voluntarily turned over to the British because there was a typhus epidemic in the camp.

                  Herta literally took her life in her hands to help with the disaster of a typhus epidemic at Belsen.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 2, 2016 @ 11:45 am

                • Alright, and this changes exactly what about what happened in the camp? There was a large famine and a large amount of people died cause the guards didn’t feed them. Its hardly your “Typhus ravaging the camp alone” argument.

                  It still doesn’t change the actions of Colonel Taylor and Brigadier Glyn-Hughes.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 2, 2016 @ 11:57 am

                • You wrote: “It still doesn’t change the actions of Colonel Taylor and Brigadier Glyn-Hughes.”

                  To what actions of Taylor and Glynn-Hughes are you referring? Do you mean the action of not allowing the guards at Belsen to use gloves and masks when handling the corpses?

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 2, 2016 @ 12:06 pm

                • There is more to it then that. An example on Brigadier Glyn-Hughes would be his lack of bringing out any food at all. In which he even admits to having starvation being an issue in the camp… More then Typhus would stand out… but I am quite sure you hold onto the idea that Hughes was doing the best that he could to feed his prisoners… Even though he never discusses such measures, past only admitting food was a short distance away and that he never did a thing to retrieve it. Or the fact he placed Tanks near storage.

                  “Did you yourself on the first day go into the main store in No. 1 camp? – On the first evening we posted tanks round that store to protect it. I did not actually go into it that night.

                  ……

                  Was that why tanks were stationed near the main food store? – Not entirely. It was the fear it might happen because we had only just arrived and that was one of the precautions we took in view of the firing that went on and the fact that certain sections were obviously wanting to fight for food, as had already been anticipated.”

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 2, 2016 @ 12:16 pm

        • You wrote: “Noma did not occur until the Summer of 1943. The children did not have it when they arrived.”
          Are you claiming that the Gypsies were given a different diet at Auschwitz, and this caused them to get Noma?

          I wrote about Noma on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Liberation3.html

          This was written before I became a Holocaust denier.

          Comment by furtherglory — July 1, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

          • “Are you claiming that the Gypsies were given a different diet at Auschwitz, and this caused them to get Noma?”

            No. They contracted the Noma because of the poor diet and crowded conditions at the gypsy camp in Auschwitz.

            Comment by Jeff K. — July 1, 2016 @ 2:56 pm

  4. Typical propaganda picture like most of the other ones that they show….. nice to know what the truth is now. I love when they show the pictures of the concentration camps and claim that all these people were murdered in gas Chambers when most of them died because of sickness and disease.
    I’m still waiting for a real picture of a homicidal gas chamber and someone who was killed in it.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — July 1, 2016 @ 11:03 am

  5. Notice the pretty girl on the far left in the front row. I have read stories, written by Jews, who claim that this girl was a Jewish girl who was tortured by the Nazis because she was so pretty.

    Comment by furtherglory — July 1, 2016 @ 10:55 am


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