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July 4, 2016

Iby Knill is still alive at 92 and still lying her head off

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — furtherglory @ 3:25 pm
Iby Krill tells her sad story to students

Iby Krill tells her sad story to students in England

Two years ago, I wrote about Iby Knill on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/holocaust-survivor-iby-knill-breaks-her-silence-to-tell-story-of-a-twin-who-was-gassed-at-auschwitz/

According to a news article which you can read in full here, Iby is still alive and still lying her head off.

The following quote is from the news article:

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As she told the story of her upbringing in former Czechoslovakia and Hungary, and her young adult life, there was visible shock as students heard the harrowing details of the war. Mrs Knill said she was transported 250 miles in a cramped train from Hungary to the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp.

She said: “When we arrived I was registered as a political prisoner and a nurse, which probably saved my life. In the six weeks I was there, 600,000 people arrived at the camp, with the trains queuing up to bring people in. When we were taken to be showered, we didn’t know whether we were going to die or not as the showers and gas chambers were side-by-side; you just had to stand and hope for the water to come down.”

End quote

My photo of the gas chamber at Dachau

My photo of the allleged gas chamber at Dachau

Photo of a real shower room

Photo of a real shower room at Dachau which is frequently claimed to have been a gas chamber

How cruel the Germans were! They couldn’t even let these innocent Jews take a shower without putting them into a room where water showers and gas showers were side by side. What company manufactured the gas showers? Inquiring minds want to know!

The first photo above shows holes in the ceiling of the alleged combination shower room and gas chamber in the Dachau camp. All of the shower heads have been stolen by students and only the holes remain. The second photo shows a real shower room that is frequently called a gas chamber.

Another quote from the news article:

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One story which evoked a big reaction from students stemmed from her time in Germany, as the hospital she [where she] worked at was being evacuated towards the end of the war.

“One woman who had recently given birth put her baby on some straw by the door on the wagon we were in to get it more air. A German officer jumped up into the wagon and stood on the baby, killing it, in front of the mother.”

End quote

How many times have you heard a Jew describe how the German soldiers stomped on babies as the mothers watched?

Strangely, I have never met any German men who acted cruel, at least not to me. Have the German men changed that much since World War II?

90 Comments »

  1. @Jim:
    “So the ceiling is lowered in a fake gas chamber whats your point?”

    I’ve already told you why the ceiling would be lowered.

    “Now lets think about this would anyone in their right mind make a ceiling this low that people could reach the heads and rip them off.”

    The shower heads aren’t connected to anything. Ripping them off wouldn’t do anything.

    “Wouldn’t take much effort to do it. Even I would feel tall in this room. There is a reason why the heads are so many feet above a normal persons height in these type of bath areas ….every now and then a crazy person comes along and tries to rehab the building.”

    Anyone in that room would be dying and wouldn’t care about shower heads.

    “Of course keep up with the lies….the Jews would be the ones putting their mouth up to the heads and breathing it all in so they can make that part of their Horror Disneyland folklore. My aunt Roxie put her mouth up to the shower head to quickly end her life…LOL Sure that would be believable no different than all the rest of the stories.”

    That’s cute, Jim. Again, where is the proof that the Americans constructed or modified a room to make it look like a gas chamber?

    “Jeff I notice keeps away from all the HoloHuxster survivor stories because he knows they are all lies and that would be too much for his brain to take…..”

    I don’t rely on witness testimony, never have, never will. I’ve never read a survivor memoir, never have, never will. The SS and Nazis damned themselves by their own words.
    BTW, I don’t think they are lying. My own belief is that survivors only saw the bits and pieces that their lives were restricted to. The SS didn’t give tours or hand out brochures. I think after all this time their memories have faded or become tainted. Therefore the only thing the survivors can do is fill in some blanks.

    “He doesn’t want his cognitive dissonance to kick out and then he starts believing the way we do.”

    That’s funny, Jim.
    Let me share something with you:
    Back in 2011, I came across information about Holocaust denial. It surprised me, I didn’t realize such a thing existed. I majored in History (and Journalism) so I thought I knew all about WW II and the Holocaust. I read some of the websites, looked into some of the claims. What I found disturbed me. Some of the technical arguments were very convincing, some of the things you dwell on (like steam) appeared very troubling.
    However, because I knew a great deal about the history of Nazi Germany denier claims didn’t add up. I knew about the T-4 and 14f13 Programs, the treatment of Soviet POWs, Operation Tannenberg (the destruction of the Polish elite). I knew about the medical experiments. I knew about the Eisatzgruppen operating after the invasion of the USSR, how it (and the SS Cavalry, Order Police and their collaborators) shot over a million Jewish men, women and children in about two years.
    I also knew the military history. The claims that the Nazis set up camps in the USSR to deport Jews to didn’t make sense….the timeline was off, such a thing interfered with German military operations, there was famine and partisan attacks in the USSR, the Germans considered the Jew behind the partisans, why send them right behind the armies operating in the USSR?
    I then did my own research on the technical aspects of denial and they didn’t wash.
    Not to mention that most denier sites I went to advocated slimy anti-Semetism and Hitler hero worship. A lot of them were linked to white supremacist groups, racism of any type makes me want to vomit.
    So, Jim, I’ve already had my moment. Thanks for your concern.

    “It’s actually painful for people to accept the lies, the pain is Gods way of saying something is wrong with this picture.
    I would venture to say Jeff is in a lot of pain these days….and that is why he avoids HoloHuxster Survivor stories.”

    No, I don’t avoid them. I take them with a grain of salt.

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 11:44 am

  2. This is better.

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 10:18 am

    • You wrote: “You showed a famous photo of the American Congressmen inside the Dachau gas chamber.”

      I wrote about this photo on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/gaschamber.html

      Note that the photo was taken on May 3rd. The Congressmen had arrived on May 1st. Why did they have to wait two days to see the gas chamber? I think that they were made to wait until the Americans had finished changing the shower room into a gas chamber.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 2:26 pm

      • “You showed a famous photo of the American Congressmen inside the Dachau gas chamber.

        I wrote about this photo on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/gaschamber.html

        Note that the photo was taken on May 3rd. The Congressmen had arrived on May 1st. Why did they have to wait two days to see the gas chamber? I think that the were made to wait until the Americans had finished changing the shower room into a gas chamber.”

        You “think.” That is not proof.
        The troops just liberated the camp on April 29th. When would they have time, with everything else going on, to modify this room and conceal the evidence?

        Honestly, you are losing me. Why would these troops think to modify this room?
        I don’t understand. This whole conspiracy thing is tripping me up.
        Did these troops have some sort of order to do this? Where did this order come from?
        I need some sort of proof of conspiracy.

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 2:57 pm

        • You wrote: “Why would these troops think to modify this room?
          I don’t understand. This whole conspiracy thing is tripping me up.”

          The reason that these troops thought about modifying the Dachau shower room is because it WAS a shower room. The U.S. wanted to claim that the Dachau shower room was a gas chamber, as claimed by the Jewish prisoners.
          Way back in 1958, I had an opportunity to go to Dachau; at that time, people were allowed to see the control room behind the wall. Now no one is allowed to see that room because they would see that the controls were for a shower room, not a gas chamber, so that is why the Americans had to turn the shower room into a gas chamber.

          Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 3:04 pm

          • “The reason that these troops thought about modifying the Dachau shower room is because it WAS a shower room. The U.S. wanted to claim that the Dachau shower room was a gas chamber, as claimed by the Jewish prisoners.”

            When did they have the TIME?
            Again, how would ordinary grunts on the ground know what a gas chamber looked like?
            Are you saying these troops did this on their own? Or, did they have orders to do so? If so, who gave these orders?
            You are talking about four days to come to this decision and modify the room. In the meantime, we are talking about a camp full of starving, sick prisoners who needed care PLUS this still being an active war zone.
            We are talking about a very quick decision made and then just as quickly put into action. This order would need to come from above from someone very high up.
            Who is that someone?

            “Way back in 1958, I had an opportunity to go to Dachau; at that time, people were allowed to see the control room behind the wall. Now no one is allowed to see that room because they would see that the controls were for a shower room, no a gas chamber.
            so that is why they had to turn it into a gas chamber.”

            That’s great but does not answer my questions. Why not remove all that stuff when the chamber was modified?

            Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 3:21 pm

            • You wrote: “Why not remove all that stuff [in the room behind the gas chamber] when the chamber was modified?”

              Back in 1945, very few people knew what a gas chamber was, or how a gas chamber looked. I lived 25 miles from Jefferson City which had one of the very few gas chambers in the world. So I knew what a gas chamber was supposed to look like. The minute that I set eyes on the gas chamber at Dachau, I knew that it was not a gas chamber. That was one of the first things that set me on the road to denial, and I don’t mean the river called the Nile, which would be “die Nile” in German.

              https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/the-gas-chamber-disguised-as-a-shower-room-in-the-crematorium-at-dachau/

              Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 4:09 pm

              • “Back in 1945, very few people knew what a gas chamber was, or how a gas chamber looked.”

                Then how would they know to lower the ceiling? Why bother?

                ” I lived 25 miles from Jefferson City which had one of the very few gas chambers in the world. So I knew what a gas chamber was supposed to look like. The minute that I set eyes on the gas chamber at Dachau, I knew that it was not a gas chamber.”

                It’s interesting that you think a German gas chamber, built to kill many people at a time, would have any comparison with a gas chamber built to kill one.
                Did you expect the Germans to follow US specs? How does that make any sense?

                “That was one of the first things that set me on the road to denial, and I don’t mean the river called the Nile, which would be “die Nile” in German.”

                No, I think you were predisposed already.

                Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 4:23 pm

    • In their report, the Congressmen wrote that the ceiling of the gas chamber was 10 feet high. To cover this huge blunder, the story was told that the Congressmen made a mistake and that they did not see the gas chamber until two days after they had arrived at Dachau. Allegedly they stayed in the town of Dachau for two days until they saw the gas chamber. I blogged about this at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/11/19/proof-of-the-nazi-gas-chambers-given-at-the-nuremberg-imt-on-nov-29-1945/

      Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 2:39 pm

      • “In their report, the Congressmen wrote that the ceiling of the gas chamber was 10 feet high.”

        Those men are what? Between 5 1/2, 6 feet tall? Maybe a little taller?
        Seems to me they made a mistake. Oops.
        So what?

        “To cover this huge blunder,”

        How is this a huge blunder?

        “the story was told that the Congressmen made a mistake and that they did not see the gas chamber until two days after they had arrived at Dachau.”

        OK. Again. We are back to conspiracy time.

        Why would the troops lower the ceiling? If you wanted to fake a gas chamber there are easier ways of doing so. Most people wouldn’t know or care about a lowered ceiling.

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 3:10 pm

  3. This is a picture taken on May 2nd, 1945:

    The ceiling is lowered. Even the Black Rabbit judged this authentic.

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 10:15 am

    • So the ceiling is lowered in a fake gas chamber whats your point?
      Now lets think about this would anyone in their right mind make a ceiling this low that people could reach the heads and rip them off.
      Wouldn’t take much effort to do it. Even I would feel tall in this room. There is a reason why the heads are so many feet above a normal persons height in these type of bath areas ….every now and then a crazy person comes along and tries to rehab the building.
      Of course keep up with the lies….the Jews would be the ones putting their mouth up to the heads and breathing it all in so they can make that part of their Horror Disneyland folklore. My aunt Roxie put her mouth up to the shower head to quickly end her life…LOL Sure that would be believable no different than all the rest of the stories.
      Jeff I notice keeps away from all the HoloHuxster survivor stories because he knows they are all lies and that would be too much for his brain to take…..
      He doesn’t want his cognitive dissonance to kick out and then he starts believing the way we do.
      It’s actually painful for people to accept the lies, the pain is Gods way of saying something is wrong with this picture.
      I would venture to say Jeff is in a lot of pain these days….and that is why he avoids HoloHuxster Survivor stories.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 10:33 am

      • It was never lowered.

        Comment by Lóegaire — July 6, 2016 @ 12:09 pm

        • So it is still a fake gas chamber right?

          Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 12:24 pm

          • No you blasted idiot. Documents show animals were gassed, maybe not humans but animals were.

            Comment by Lóegaire — July 8, 2016 @ 2:09 pm

            • Animals are not human…..
              That is the silliest argument for homicidal gas chambers that I’ve ever heard in fact this is the first time I’ve ever heard such nonsense good luck with that one.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 2:37 pm

  4. @jrizoli:
    “Somebody changed that so called gas chamber room, the ceiling was too low to be a real shower room.”

    That’s exactly the point. Whatever the room was intended to be the Germans changed the original room into a gas chamber.

    “So my friendly HoloHuxsters who did it. and more importantly why?”

    Well, Jim, I answered the first question. The why?
    Lowering the ceiling displaced more oxygen from the room and allowed the gas to fill the room quicker.

    If you believe that the room was modified after the war you need to provide proof.

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 10:00 am

  5. There is pretty much no room for debate on Dachaus gas chamber and its intention. Also why are you using a photograph from Dachau? Well?

    Might I also ask for any source from the Americans which claimed the shower room to be a gas chamber. Or was it just something claimed in the USHMM’s holocaust encyclopedia?

    Comment by Lóegaire — July 5, 2016 @ 2:10 pm

    • You wrote: ” Also why are you using a photograph from Dachau? Well?”

      To whom are you replying? Have I used a photogrpah from Dachau recently?

      I have a whole section on my website about the Dachau gas chamber, written years ago before I was a Holocaust denier.
      http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history01.html

      Comment by furtherglory — July 5, 2016 @ 2:26 pm

      • In the beginning they said Dachau had homicidal gas chambers, then they found out they didn’t. So what do they do, they lower the ceiling 3 feet and make a room to look like a homicidal gas chamber, but then say that it never was used as one…..pretty sly if you ask me. Typical HoloHuxster propaganda that seems to work pretty well because many people believe the lies…..
        Except this fella….

        “Most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”

        –Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p6.

        Comment by jrizoli — July 5, 2016 @ 2:38 pm

        • Jim your an idiot…. The 10 foot claim is completely based off from a rough estimate. Not even Rodoh would say something like this.

          https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2064

          Comment by Lóegaire — July 5, 2016 @ 6:51 pm

          • *you are

            Comment by Lóegaire — July 5, 2016 @ 6:53 pm

            • The shower story is just a red herring to keep people off the most important point which is… there were no homicidal gas Chamber.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — July 5, 2016 @ 7:48 pm

              • How is that a red herring Jim? Also No…. It not at all… It was a rough estimate.

                Comment by Lóegaire — July 5, 2016 @ 10:20 pm

                • You just don’t get it…. Again one more time the shower hight is irrelevant. There was no gas Chamber.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 5, 2016 @ 10:26 pm

                • Says the guy who said.

                  “In the beginning they said Dachau had homicidal gas chambers, then they found out they didn’t. So what do they do, they lower the ceiling 3 feet and make a room to look like a homicidal gas chamber, but then say that it never was used as one…”

                  I am telling you the Americans never altered the gas chamber… Your the one making the assertion of a lowered ceiling. Its not a Red Herring ether…. Do you even know what context a Red herring would be used in? Cause its not in this type of argument Jim.

                  A Red Herring would be like you trying to say the Americans sent Japanese people to interment camps so therefor the Germans were not doing anything which other nations had done.

                  That’s called an equivalency argument, and that would be a red herring. Now if your making a assertion and I tell you its wrong then that’s not a Red Herring. Lean what a logical fallacy is… Cause what I have said is not “something, especially a clue, that is or is intended to be misleading or distracting.”

                  You said it yourself that the Ceiling was lowered and it wasn’t, you also need evidence for your assertions, not idiotic ramblings that a good number of revisionist say. As well The ceiling being lowered is your argument against the gas chamber… Show how is me targeting it in anyway a Red Herring?

                  Comment by Lóegaire — July 5, 2016 @ 11:45 pm

                • I’m saying that I don’t care if there was even a ceiling to lower it has nothing to do with the fact that there was no gas Chambers. Who cares if it was lower higher down the street I really don’t care for some reason you’re focusing on something that is not the issue the issue is again for those who are thick in the head there were no gas Chambers in any of the camps. The lowering of the ceiling story is something to you fine but it’s not the real story of what happened it could be a secondary story but it’s not important except it would be nice to know if it was fake and why. To me there are bigger fish to fry not fake pictures of men standing in fake as Chambers.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 6:41 am

                • “I’m saying that I don’t care if there was even a ceiling to lower it has nothing to do with the fact that there was no gas Chambers. Who cares if it was lower higher down the street I really don’t care for some reason you’re focusing on something that is not the issue the issue is again for those who are thick in the head there were no gas Chambers in any of the camps. The lowering of the ceiling story is something to you fine but it’s not the real story of what happened it could be a secondary story but it’s not important except it would be nice to know if it was fake and why. To me there are bigger fish to fry not fake pictures of men standing in fake as Chambers.”

                  A lower ceiling makes a more effective gas chamber, Jim. That’s why it is important.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 6:43 am

                • If there was no homocidal gas chamber does it really matter how high the ceiling is low the ceiling
                  The question to you is …..was there a homicidal gas chamber in Dachau the answer from the historians is no, and your answer is.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 6:48 am

                • “If there was no homocidal gas chamber does it really matter how high the ceiling is low the ceiling
                  The question to you is …..was there a homicidal gas chamber in Dachau the answer from the historians is no, and your answer is.”

                  The Dachau gas chamber is controversial, Jim. It is likely that it was only used for experimental purposes.

                  The best evidence that it was used is from Sigmund Rascher:

                  http://www.phdn.org/archives/www.mazal.org/archive/DACHPHO/Dach43.htm

                  “Dr. Sigmund Rascher

                  Munich

                  Togerstr. 56

                  August 9, 1942

                  Esteemed Reichsführer!

                  As you know, the same installation as in Linz is to be built in Dachau. As the ‘invalid transports’ terminate in the special chambers anyway I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway. The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases.

                  (signed)

                  S. Rascher” [28]

                  The Nazis executed Rascher at Dachau in April 1945 so he was never questioned.

                  http://www.phdn.org/archives/www.mazal.org/archive/documents/Dachau-article.htm

                  So, the room described could function as a gas chamber it is uncertain to what extent it was used.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 7:28 am

                • You wrote: “So, the room described could function as a gas chamber it is uncertain to what extent it was used.”

                  I wrote about the Dachau gas chamber, at length, BEFORE I became a denier.

                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history02.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 7:46 am

                • You wrote: “So, the room described could function as a gas chamber it is uncertain to what extent it was used.”

                  “I wrote about the Dachau gas chamber, at length, BEFORE I became a denier.”

                  I’m not sure what you are getting at. The link you provided does not refute the gas chamber or that it was used.

                  I’ll go back to my original premise:

                  The room was a gas chamber but it is debatable if it was used or to what extent it was used.

                  One other thing I found from Charles Larson:

                  “The majority died of natural diseases of one kind or the another. However, we did probe into such questions as, ‘What happened to those prisoners who became psychotic at Dachau? What did the Gestapo do with them?’ Well, they took those people to the crematorium. First, however, they were taken to a big windowless building next to the crematorium where the ceiling was covered with false shower heads. The victims were then ordered to strip and take a ‘shower.’ Outside the building, guards dropped in cyanide pellets. Then they’d blow the cyanide gas out and remove the bodies next door to the crematorium ovens. I think this is what happened to most of the truly psychotic prisoners and those they considered unruly and unmanageable and who, in the Gestapo’s opinion, were incorrigibles. But, in my opinion, only relatively few of the inmates I personally examined at Dachau were murdered in this manner. Still, medical facilities were totally inadequate. When people fell hopelessly ill and death was imminent, and when they grew so weak they could no longer work or function, they were taken to the cyanide room for disposal. The Nazi called them ‘mercy killings’ because there was no hope of them getting well. Actually, the Germans considered them a liability, and extermination was the answer.” (‘Crime Doctor,’ McCallum & Larson, p. 61. ISBN 0-916076-20-2; Library of Congress Catalog Number: 78-16403)

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 8:17 am

                • Rasher wrote: “I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway.”

                  Note that Rasher wrote “these chambers” meaning gas chambers PLURAL. He was obviously referring the the gas chambers where the clothing was disinfected with Zyklon-B at Dachau, not to the shower room at Dachau.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 8:11 am

                • Rasher wrote: “I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway.”

                  “Note that Rasher wrote “those chambers” meaning gas chambers PLURAL. He was obviously referring the the gas chambers where the clothing was disinfected with Zyklon-B at Dachau, not to the shower room at Dachau.”

                  He also said persons, not clothes. He also said “destined for those chambers anyway.”

                  So, the tests were to be done on those destined to be gassed anyway.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 8:22 am

                • You wrote: “was there a homicidal gas chamber in Dachau the answer from the historians is no,”

                  I went to the Dachau memorial site 3 times in 3 different years. The information told by the people at the memorial site changed from year to year. The first time that I saw the Dachau gas chamber, there was a sign in the shower room which said that it was never used as a gas chamber. On my next visit, the sign was gone and the tour guides were claiming that the shower room had been used to gas people.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 8:18 am

                • You wrote: “A lower ceiling makes a more effective gas chamber, Jim. That’s why it is important.”

                  What gas chamber expert said this? Did Fred Leuchter say that a gas chamber had to have a low ceiling?

                  The reason that the ceiling was lowered was to hide the water pipes. The shower heads in the alleged gas chamber at Dachau are stuck in the ceiling with no pipes. Some day, someone might punch a hole in the ceiling which will reveal the pipes. The room that is right next to the alleged gas chamber has a higher ceiling.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 8:26 am

                • You wrote: “A lower ceiling makes a more effective gas chamber, Jim. That’s why it is important.”

                  “What gas chamber expert said this? Did Fred Leuchter say that a gas chamber had to have a low ceiling?”

                  Fred Leuchter is not a gas chamber expert. He never built, serviced or designed a gas chamber that anyone built.
                  Lowering the ceiling reduces the size of the room. This reduces the amount of air available in a room and also makes it easier for a gas to fill a room.

                  “The reason that the ceiling was lowered was to hide the water pipes.”

                  What is your source for this?

                  “The shower heads in the alleged gas chamber at Dachau are stuck in the ceiling with no pipes.”

                  Which proves they are for show, done to fool prisoners locked in the room.

                  “Some day, someone might punch a hole in the ceiling which will reveal the pipes.”

                  Are you saying this room was an actual shower?

                  “The room that is right next to the alleged gas chamber has a higher ceiling.”

                  Ok.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 8:35 am

                • I wrote: “The reason that the ceiling was lowered was to hide the water pipes.”

                  You wrote: “What is your source for this?”

                  On this page of my website, I show a photo of another shower room at Dachau which has pipes on the ceiling. This is what the alleged Dachau gas chamber looked like before the American liberators of Dachau changed the shower room into a “gas chamber.” http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/interior04.html

                  Scroll down on the web page cited above. The photo of the shower room is at the bottom of the page.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 9:32 am

                • I am replying to my own comment to point out that the photo of a shower room at Dachau is all over the internet with claims that this shower room was a gas chamber. That is completely wrong! No one claims that the shower room with pipes on the ceiling was a gas chamber. This what the so-called gas chamber at Dachau looked like before the Americans turned it into an alleged gas chamber.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 9:41 am

                • “I am replying to my own comment to point out that the photo of a shower room at Dachau is all over the internet with claims that this shower room was a gas chamber. That is completely wrong! No one claims that the shower room with pipes on the ceiling was a gas chamber. This what the so-called gas chamber at Dachau looked like before the Americans turned it into an alleged gas chamber.”

                  So, your allegation is that the Americans modified a shower room into a gas chamber.

                  What is the proof of this?

                  The crematorium, the disinfection and gas chamber were built at the same time.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 9:54 am

                • Jeff why do you want us to prove something that is what is your job to prove?
                  I don’t give a rats ass about the fake gas chamber….it’s a fake, thats the important thing, somebody had to make it.
                  It didn’t just appear one day…..
                  Again you want us to prove your bullshit….Sorry we “deniers” really truthers… only deal with realities.
                  FYI…..I resumed my posting on the skeptic site ….I’m sure they will jump all over my truthful and accurate comments.
                  Jews and their accomplices are positioned on the internet to accept them, can’t have the truth circulating out there for others to see.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 10:14 am

                • “Jeff why do you want us to prove something that is what is your job to prove?”

                  The proof already exists. I’ve posted it here.

                  “I don’t give a rats ass about the fake gas chamber….it’s a fake, thats the important thing, somebody had to make it.”

                  If you believe that it’s a fake you have to prove it.

                  “It didn’t just appear one day…..”

                  You’re right, the Germans built it.

                  “Again you want us to prove your bullshit….Sorry we “deniers” really truthers… only deal with realities.”

                  I’m not asking you to prove the chamber is authentic, dumbass. I’m telling you to provide proof the gas chamber is faked.

                  “FYI…..I resumed my posting on the skeptic site ….I’m sure they will jump all over my truthful and accurate comments.”

                  No, they are going to require proof, like me.
                  Jim, screaming about lying Jews isn’t going to cut it there. If you say your comments are truthful and accurate they are going to require proof. That is not a denier blog or site and there is no FG to stick up for you. Like me they are going to quickly realize you don’t know what you are talking about.

                  “Jews and their accomplices are positioned on the internet to accept them, can’t have the truth circulating out there for others to see.”

                  I doubt they will ban you….but you risk really embarrassing yourself.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 11:00 am

                • You wrote: “So, your allegation is that the Americans modified a shower room into a gas chamber.”

                  That is correct. I am alleging that there were TWO SHOWER ROOMS at Dachau. One of these shower rooms was outside the camp; this is the room that was modified by the Americans.

                  When the American liberators arrived at Dachau, the first thing that they saw was a train parked outside the camp; the train was full of dead bodies, which they assumed were prisoners who had been deliberately killed by the Germans.

                  When the American soldiers got to the gate into the camp, they were greeted by prisoners who said, “Follow us, we want to take you to the gas chambers.” They led the soldiers to the disinfection gas chambers where the clothes were disinfected. Then they led the soldiers to the shower room in the same building, which they claimed was a gas chamber. The Americans quickly realized that this was a shower room, not a gas chamber, so they quickly made it into a gas chamber.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 10:22 am

                • “That is correct. I am alleging that there were TWO SHOWER ROOMS at Dachau. One of these shower rooms was outside the camp; this is the room that was modified by the Americans.

                  When the American liberators arrived at Dachau, the first thing that they saw was a train parked outside the camp; the train was full of dead bodies, which they assumed were prisoners who had been deliberately killed by the Germans.

                  When the American soldiers got to the gate into the camp,”

                  Dachau was liberated on April 29th, 1945. Let’s keep that in mind.

                  “they were greeted by prisoners who said, “Follow us, we want to take you to the gas chambers.” They led the soldiers to the disinfection gas chambers where the clothes were disinfected. Then they led the soldiers to the shower room in the same building, which they claimed was a gas chamber. The Americans quickly realized that this was a shower room, not a gas chamber, so they quickly made it into a gas chamber.”

                  First, how would ordinary US soldiers know what a gas chamber looked like?
                  Second, when would they have time?
                  The picture I’ve posted was taken May 2nd, four days later.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 10:52 am

                • Jeff….Thats all I’m asking is who made the fake shower ” gas” room.
                  Simple question?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 11:59 am

                • “Jeff….Thats all I’m asking is who made the fake shower ” gas” room.
                  Simple question?”

                  The Germans, Jim.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 12:14 pm

                • You wrote: “The Germans, Jim. [made the fake shower “gas” room.]

                  That is not correct. The American liberators made the fake gas chamber in the former shower room. All of the photos of the fake gas chamber, taken when the room was a shower room, have been removed from the internet. They could still be seen many years ago.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 1:51 pm

                • “This photo is the earliest photo of the alleged Dachau gas chamber, before the Americans had finished construction of a gas chamber in the shower room.”
                  https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwi2w7eq3N_NAhVS52MKHcuLAlYQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffurtherglory.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F04%2F12%2Fwhat-did-the-dachau-gas-chamber-look-like-when-american-soldiers-first-saw-it%2F&psig=AFQjCNGguxrfrUVUzV0pwxsO-PGvDb1TaA&ust=1467924806667401

                  Again, I see no difference between the picture you posted and what I posted.
                  That is not proof the US modified the room. Where is proof of this?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 2:16 pm

                • “That is not correct. The American liberators made the fake gas chamber in the former shower room. All of the photos of the fake gas chamber, taken when the room was a shower room, have been removed from the internet. They could still be seen many years ago.”

                  When did they make the fake?
                  I posted a picture of the gas chamber taken 4 days after the camp was liberated. The ceiling is the same.
                  Where is the proof that the US faked the gas chamber?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 2:08 pm

                • Jeff why dont you answer my question for the third time do you think that the room was a homicidal gas chamber……this isn’t a trick question.
                  And if so who built it either way. The height is definitely too low for a real shower room
                  so what is the point of this discussion?
                  We “deniers” actually truthers believe the room was a fake shower room and a fake gas chamber if they want you to think that it was real.
                  Time to take a stand for something here Jeff….you complain that I don’t answer your questions, typical dodge and weave by a HoloHuxster.
                  By the way the Skeptic site does it’s typical ad hominem attacks on me because they can’t deal with the truth. Pretty soon they will ban me saying I broke their stupid rules.
                  More typical behavior by Holohuxsters who are losing the battle to Holocaust truthers like myself. You have to be pretty blind not to get what is going on with the topic.
                  The Jew trolls are out there in full force.
                  Honestly Jeff I don’t think your name is what you say it is….you act too much like a Jew.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 1:16 pm

                • “Jeff why dont you answer my question for the third time do you think that the room was a homicidal gas chamber……this isn’t a trick question.”

                  Do you want me to spell this out for you, Jim?
                  I thought I answered your question but OK:
                  Yes, the room was a gas chamber. How much it was used, I don’t know. I’m not sure anyone knows.

                  “And if so who built it either way. The height is definitely too low for a real shower room
                  so what is the point of this discussion?”

                  The Germans built it. The disinfection chambers and the crematorium were built at the same time.

                  “We “deniers” actually truthers believe the room was a fake shower room and a fake gas chamber if they want you to think that it was real.”

                  That makes no sense. Why would the Germans build a room that had no identifiable purpose? The Germans built that room at the same time they built the crematorium and the disinfection rooms for clothing. They are all housed in the same building.

                  “Time to take a stand for something here Jeff….you complain that I don’t answer your questions, typical dodge and weave by a HoloHuxster.”

                  Jim, I thought I answered your questions. I just spelled it out clearly. What do you mean, take a stand?

                  “By the way the Skeptic site does it’s typical ad hominem attacks on me because they can’t deal with the truth. Pretty soon they will ban me saying I broke their stupid rules.”

                  No, Jim, the people that post there expect you to have a point. I’ve asked you there and I’m asking you here, please stop the stupid racist bullshit when you post there. If you want to know something, ask the question. If you have a point, make it.

                  “More typical behavior by Holohuxsters who are losing the battle to Holocaust truthers like myself. You have to be pretty blind not to get what is going on with the topic.”

                  No, it annoys them when you squawk like a parrot and say stupid racist bullshit. The people that post there are way smarter than you, Jim.

                  “The Jew trolls are out there in full force.”

                  That’s funny. They think you are the troll.

                  “Honestly Jeff I don’t think your name is what you say it is….you act too much like a Jew.”

                  Jim, I use the same name there as I do here.

                  Oh, I’m not a Jew, Jim. But you made that an insult. Fuck you.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 1:37 pm

                • Sorry I made the connection it is an insult to say you are a Jew if your not.Sometimes I use it to mean Jew like.
                  The word Jew is used in the bible only two times not very many times and it is used in a derogatary way. In other words to use the name Jew as a name for a people woud be an insult. Make sense to me…

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 2:33 pm

                • “Sorry I made the connection it is an insult to say you are a Jew if your not.Sometimes I use it to mean Jew like.
                  The word Jew is used in the bible only two times not very many times and it is used in a derogatary way. In other words to use the name Jew as a name for a people woud be an insult. Make sense to me…”

                  No, Jim. Being a Jew is fine, nothing wrong with Jews.

                  You, however, turned it into an insult. That’s what angered me. You used it as a racist, derogatory term.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 2:50 pm

                • You wrote: “No, Jim. Being a Jew is fine, nothing wrong with Jews. You, however, turned it into an insult. That’s what angered me. You used it as a racist, derogatory term.”

                  Is it O.K. to use the word Jew as a verb, as in “to Jew someone down”?

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 2:56 pm

                • You wrote: “No, Jim. Being a Jew is fine, nothing wrong with Jews. You, however, turned it into an insult. That’s what angered me. You used it as a racist, derogatory term.”

                  “Is it O.K. to use the word Jew as a verb, as in “to Jew someone down”?”

                  ????

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 6, 2016 @ 2:59 pm

                • Somebody changed that so called gas chamber room, the ceiling was too low to be a real shower room.
                  So my friendly HoloHuxsters who did it. and more importantly why?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 9:52 am

                • How come they never thought about this shit,before they finalized the plans for the gas house. From what I’ve seen,German folks are pretty much on top of things when it comes to technical issues. I mean it’s not like they were putting up a house for some snotty ass rich people and at the last minute,they wanna change shit up.

                  Comment by Tim — July 6, 2016 @ 4:45 pm

                • There’s one story about the gas huts,I find confusing. I read a story on here about someone to sick to walk,so they carried the person to the gas house,in a stretcher. Now I always hear the nazis kept a tight schedule. They wanted production numbers with the gas houses. Isn’t that gonna throw a monkey wrench into their production numbers? It’s gonna slow shit down. You got these 2 poor saps,that gotta carry the stretcher into the gas house. Gotta find a place to prop this person up at and hope they don’t fall down. Wouldn’t it have made more sense to pop one in the base of that persons skull and tote them on over to the burn pit. If people come up with shit like this,it’s gonna make other folks think,”maybe this didn’t happen”. From where I stand,it makes the nazis look inefficient as hell. I don’t think an efficient machine is run that way. To much time.

                  Comment by Tim — July 6, 2016 @ 4:30 pm

                • The question is why did they have hospitals as good as the outside in these camps. Obviously it was there to keep people alive if these were death camps all these sick people would have been killed right away but they weren’t. Even Elie the weasel went to the camp hospital to get his foot treated.
                  They had many people there were in these hospitals getting treated for many different things and many Jews tell their stories about that but for some reason they can’t equate it to the Germans trying to keep them alive.
                  Approximately 350,000 people died in the camps from all causes and all nationalities it wasn’t just Jews probably half of them might have been Jews.
                  Not as many Jews died as they want you to think we are being played as the bad guys saying that less Jews died they want to say more Jews died.
                  It’s all about the money and the emotional aspect to it all. Emotion sell books movies and a lot of other things.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 4:40 pm

                • “Somebody changed that so called gas chamber room, the ceiling was too low to be a real shower room.
                  So my friendly HoloHuxsters who did it. and more importantly why?”

                  Where is the evidence for this statement jim? Where is the proof the ceiling was lowered? Well?

                  Comment by Lóegaire — July 6, 2016 @ 12:11 pm

        • Hey, Jim?
          Skeptics Forum wants you to come back.

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 5, 2016 @ 7:47 pm

          • They want me to come back so I can put more stuff on the internet that they can have a link to so they can come and arrest me later on not that I’m worried but that’s probably the reason the site is probably run by CIA who were trying to catch Holocaust Deniers ….LOL

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — July 5, 2016 @ 8:04 pm

            • Damn Jeff. He’s incorrigible enough as it is. Don’t add fuel to the fire. He already irks enough people with his incorrigible tag as it is.

              Comment by Tim — July 5, 2016 @ 8:24 pm

            • “They want me to come back so I can put more stuff on the internet that they can have a link to so they can come and arrest me later on not that I’m worried but that’s probably the reason the site is probably run by CIA who were trying to catch Holocaust Deniers ….LOL”

              Jim, you don’t exactly keep to yourself. If the CIA wanted to find you it wouldn’t be that hard.

              Comment by Jeff K. — July 5, 2016 @ 8:39 pm

              • Jeff. You’re giving them boys at the agency way too much credit. Those incompetent morons couldn’t find sand at the beach.

                Comment by Tim — July 5, 2016 @ 8:48 pm

                • True.
                  😂

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 5, 2016 @ 8:51 pm

            • Jim…. You run a damn website and have a youtube channel…. You toss yourself into the world so much that you should have been already taken down by now if he CIA gave two shits. Your not very much of a threat to the events reality.

              Comment by Lóegaire — July 5, 2016 @ 11:48 pm

          • You’re creating s monster here Jeff. It’s bad enough Jimbo already has his,”if you don’t like what I’m saying,you can kiss my red,white and blue Italian ass.” Attitude as it is. You just keep fanning the flames.

            Comment by Tim — July 5, 2016 @ 8:32 pm

            • Trust me, Tim. Jim didn’t need me to fan his ego.

              Comment by Jeff K. — July 5, 2016 @ 8:41 pm

              • Well Dr. Frankensteins gonna be looking for you next. He’s gonna want tips on how to build the perfect monster

                Comment by Tim — July 6, 2016 @ 7:19 am

      • Nah, I’ll stay away from your blog post for now… Right now of issue is this woman was at Birkenau… The Dachau gas chamber is related to that how exactly?

        Comment by Lóegaire — July 5, 2016 @ 6:41 pm

    • You wrote: “There is pretty much no room for debate on Dachaus gas chamber and its intention.”

      There might not be “room for debate on Dachaus [Dachau] gas chamber” yet I have debated it:

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/why-did-the-nazis-build-a-gas-chamber-at-dachau-if-they-werent-going-to-use-it/

      Comment by furtherglory — July 5, 2016 @ 3:01 pm

      • In what way does this debate it? Quite clearly there are a multitude of issues about calling this room a shower. Especially when one sees the ventilation chimney.

        As well the room being a shower… why would one need doors on it which clearly was also used for the delousing chambers.

        Comment by Lóegaire — July 5, 2016 @ 6:48 pm

      • As well even Leuchter said the showerhead were Fake.

        Comment by Lóegaire — July 5, 2016 @ 11:49 pm

  6. These poseurs will continue to yap until they’re no longer paid to do so. So would I, if I could get paid. The truth of it matters not a whit. Only the impact (with hatred of Germans) does.

    Germans. Germans! GERMANS!

    Comment by Jett Rucker — July 4, 2016 @ 6:48 pm

    • Yes, only people that hate Germans believe in real history.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 5, 2016 @ 5:15 pm

      • Jeff……. Why would you hate Germans?

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — July 5, 2016 @ 5:52 pm

        • “Jeff……. Why would you hate Germans?”

          I don’t hate Germans, Jim. I was being facetious.

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 5, 2016 @ 5:55 pm

          • I saw something one time on tv dealing with the holo. The person making the show was talking to young Germans about the holo. He was talking to this one girl. She was in her early 20’s. Good lookin girl. She was crying,because she felt ashamed of what her country did to the Jews . Young girl. Hell. Her parents probably weren’t around during WW2. Regardless of what may or may not have happened back then,she has no reason to feel bad. The Jews always seem to take the negative path here. Wounds ain’t never gonna heal,until the . Jews try to extend an olive branch to the Germans . Maybe the Jews tried something like that and I missed the story. My opinion,I don’t think they have. They’ve got to much of a spiteful attitude. All they want to do,is to put former nazi soldiers on trial,for chicken ass shit. I don’t think they want the wounds (whatever they may be) to heal

            Comment by Tim — July 5, 2016 @ 6:15 pm

        • Hay Jim, you going to take part at Skeptic or just make a one night stand?

          Comment by Lóegaire — July 5, 2016 @ 7:46 pm

          • Trying to keep up with what I’m doing now we’ll see if I can get over there.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — July 5, 2016 @ 7:49 pm

  7. Dear old Iby Krill wrote two sentences, both of which grossly exaggerate the official holocaust story;-

    “In the six weeks I was there, 600,000 people arrived at the camp, with the trains queuing up to bring people in. When we were taken to be showered, we didn’t know whether we were going to die or not as the showers and gas chambers were side-by-side; you just had to stand and hope for the water to come down.”

    Well, the official holocaust version states that around 380,000 Jews arrived at Auschwitz over a 10-week period during the early summer of 1944. And in addition, none of the alleged gas chambers and showers stood “side-by-side” in Auschwitz/Birkenau.

    It is truly amazing how these elderly so-and-so’s are allowed to get away with teaching this kind of stuff to youngsters. Iby is another one of these mysterious holo-survivors who doesn’t seem to have a tattoo on her arm to prove she was ever in Auschwitz. Don’t the schools and colleges check the credentials of these folk before they allow them to speak to students – and also verify in advance that what they are going to say actually confirms the official narrative.

    Comment by Talbot — July 4, 2016 @ 4:38 pm

  8. Okay . The Jews need to make up their mind. From what the Jews said,the shower stalls,were really gas huts. That’s what I read on here. Now I’ve got this lady clearly making the distinction,that these were 2 separate facilities. She said,” we didn’t know if we were going to get gassed or given a shower”. She the made the comment,”AS THE SHOWERS AND HAS CHAMBERS WERE SIDE BY SIDE”. Okay. What’s it gonna be? Did they have gas huts going incognito as showers or were there actually 2 different buildings. The story about the baby is reaching a bit. There probably was some cold nazi soldiers. Hell we had cold soldiers on our side. This lady just wants the Spotlight before she kicks off. I’m sorry,I’m not buying into that. Look who she’s telling the shit to. Impressionable kids,who are going through puberty. She’s only pulling that shit so she can brain wash them into being the next generation of haters. The Jews ain’t perfect angels here

    Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 4:20 pm

    • Obviously the Woman had too much laughing gas in real life that’s why the story is so whacked out.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — July 4, 2016 @ 4:37 pm

      • She should’ve got the “official” version from her fellow Jews,before she opened her mouth. What the tour guides say about the showers versus what she says,they conflict like a big dog.

        Comment by Tim — July 4, 2016 @ 5:03 pm

  9. I’m surprised that she didn’t mention the German Soldier bayonetting the baby and then throwing it in the fire that’s another famous One.
    They tell silly stories so stupid people will believe them and sadly they do this is what the HoloHoax is about

    It’s all summed up here……
    “Most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”
    Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p6.

    Comment by jrizoli — July 4, 2016 @ 4:05 pm


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