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July 6, 2016

proof that the American liberators of Dachau lowered the ceiling in the shower room to create a fake gas chamber

Pipe on the walll of the dachau shower room

Pipe on the wall of the Dachau undressing room next to the alleged gas chamber

I took the photo above in the undressing room for the Dachau shower room. Holohoaxers now claim that the Dachau shower room was really a gas chamber.  If the alleged gas chamber was actually a shower room, the pipe shown in the photo above was probably a water pipe. The pipe shown at the top of the photo is the electrical wiring for the lights in the room.

My photograph above shows the electrical wiring on the north wall of the undressing room, which is next to the gas chamber. Below the wiring is a large pipe which comes through the wall from the corridor and enters the gas chamber. The other side of this pipe cannot be seen inside the gas chamber because it enters the room above the 7.6 foot ceiling of the gas chamber. The ceiling of the undressing room is about 10 feet high.

The text of the display on the undressing room wall describes the undressing room as follows: “Disrobing – This is were (sic) the victims were to leave their clothes before entering the gas chamber disguised as ‘showers.’ Their clothing was to be brought to the disinfecting chambers [in the same building] before the next group [of prisoners] could enter the room.”

The prisoners’ clothing was disinfected with Zyklon-B, the same gas that was allegedly used to murder the victims in the alleged Dachau gas chamber. Four disinfection chambers are in the same building where the alleged homicidal gas chamber is located. The disinfection of the clothing was done to kill the body lice which spreads typhus.

The west wall of the undressing room has a door into the corridor that runs behind all the rooms in the crematorium building, including the gas chamber. This door, which is shown in the photograph above, is locked and visitors are not allowed into the corridor. Although visitors are not allowed into the corridor behind the gas chamber, the display on the undressing room wall has both a photograph and a drawing of the pipes in the corridor. The title of this section is “Operating facilities in the adjacent left corridor.”

The drawing in the display was done in May 1945 by Captain Fribourg, a member of the French Military Mission with the Sixth Army Group, Chemical Warfare. Captain Fribourg did an examination of the gas chamber at Dachau for one day and then wrote a report in which he did not reach any definite conclusion. He was of the opinion that a second visit would be necessary in order to study the system for circulating the gas and he also recommended that the walls be tested, but this was apparently never done.

France and the Soviet Union were in charge of prosecuting the German war criminals on the charge of Crimes Against Humanity at the Nuremberg IMT, but no report on the walls of the Dachau gas chamber was entered into the proceedings.

The pipes and valves behind the west wall of the gas chamber can be seen in the movie that is shown at the Dachau museum. This movie has footage from the film that was shown at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal as proof that a gas chamber was used to murder prisoners at Dachau.

The narration in the film explains the gassing procedure as follows: “Inside the showerbath — the gas vents. On the ceiling — the dummy shower heads. In the engineer’s room — the intake and outlet pipes. Push buttons to control inflow and outtake of gas. A hand-valve to regulate pressure. Cyanide powder was used to generate the lethal smoke.”

The “push buttons” referred to in the film are shown in the drawing done by Captain Fribourg, but they are gone now. According to the information on the undressing room wall, they were stolen during the postwar years. There were 4 push buttons and 4 sets of light fixture boxes in the gas chamber when the American liberators arrived. However, four of the light fixture boxes now have no lights. According to the film shown at Nuremberg, four of the light fixture boxes were used instead as “gas vents” to put lethal gas into a fake shower room.

My photo of the door into the alleged Dacau gas chamer

My photo of the door into the alleged Dachau gas chamber

109 Comments »

  1. “The narration in the film explains the gassing procedure as follows: “Inside the showerbath — the gas vents. On the ceiling — the dummy shower heads. In the engineer’s room — the intake and outlet pipes. Push buttons to control inflow and outtake of gas. A hand-valve to regulate pressure. Cyanide powder was used to generate the lethal smoke”.

    But I thought it was alleged that the Zyklon B pellets or crystals were poured manually through hatches and down a shute, which was built into the outside wall of the “gas chamber” at Dachau – so what is all this stuff about inlet and outlet pipes; push button controls; valves and regulators?

    But if they were using this latter method, then it would suggest that the Zyklon B was first vaporised into a gas in a neighbouring room, before being pumped into the gas chamber – and then out again – by an automatic system.

    Even after 71 years – still confused, I’m afraid!

    Comment by Talbot — July 7, 2016 @ 7:01 am

    • You wrote: “I thought it was alleged that the Zyklon B pellets or crystals were poured manually through hatches and down a shute, which was built into the outside wall of the “gas chamber” at Dachau – so what is all this stuff about inlet and outlet pipes; push button controls; valves and regulators?”

      When American troops arrived at Dachau, the outside wall of the alleged gas chamber at Dachau was hidden by a wall made of wood that was in front of alleged holes in the wall. The U.S. Army took advantage of this situation, and built little windows in the outside wall, then claimed that gas pellets were thrown into the alleged gas chamber through these holes. You can see photo of these holes on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/interior04.html

      The gas pellets needed to be heated in order to release the gas. The only heater in the shower room was on the other side of the room, which is not the way that a German engineer would have constructed a gas chamber.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 7:24 am

      • “When American troops arrived at Dachau, the outside wall of the alleged gas chamber at Dachau was hidden by a wall made of wood that was in front of alleged holes in the wall. The U.S. Army took advantage of this situation, and built little windows in the outside wall, then claimed that gas pellets were thrown into the alleged gas chamber through these holes. You can see photo of these holes on my website at”

        Where is your proof that the troops did anything to the room?

        Yes, naturally we can just assume, because Germans are perfect in every way, that a German engineer would never make a mistake.

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 7:31 am

      • The Holohucksters have a big problem here because there are many different views on how this thing went down and how they inserted the pellets into the room they don’t all agree so it shows that something is wrong with the picture it’s a big lie that’s what’s wrong with the picture.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 7:32 am

        • There is plenty of issues in this logic… The most major being that you are ignoring the wooden screen. Anon Covered your claim here quite well in his reply to the 2nd leuchter report on Skeptic.

          http://skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=26831

          Leuchter: But how could the prisoners, unable to have seen something that had never existed anywhere in the world (a gas chamber for 100 people at a time), know from the outset of their work that once the work was completed, they would have constructed a homicidal gas chamber? Do we have here yet another miracle, one of divination and mental telepathy? Did successive prisoner work details pass on the word about this for three years? Would the Germans have given the prisoners an ultra-secret mission, to construct a lethal gas chamber for Dachau inmates, without being concerned about their carrying it out?

          Anon: Cause some operated inside the Barracks in the crematorium, and another reason may be cause they built the chamber. Most people only had the idea of its operation based on rumors.

          The lack of knowledge of the operation may have something to do with the blind made from wood. This wood screen hid the bins from the prisoners around and this may be the reason for the shower head conclusion. This wooden screen would hide the bins, which would hide the gas chambers operation.

          As for why the Germans trusted the prisoners?

          This matters why exactly? The Germans would easily be able to shoot these people if they didn’t build it. People will generally not question much when a gun is pointing at them and they have a chance of surviving.

          It also doesn’t mean that the prisoners who built the Crematorium knew what they were building. Though it seems some prisoners were aware. Though this might be another reason for the rumors around the camp that over time must have been distorted.

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 2:14 am

    • “Even after 71 years – still confused, I’m afraid!”

      Which makes the whole denier BS about conspiracies completely ridiculous.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 7:34 am

    • A report know as 2430-PS mentions the Bins that were used to introduce the gas… It was the fault of prisoners stories and conflation of memory which lead to the story of gas from the shower heads… it was completely based on rumors.

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 1:52 am

      • Why would they lie? Simple…..it wasn’t true.
        They try to make the story fit later but it didn’t work because there were too many lies.
        And they continue to do so they change the surgery so many times will make your head spin.
        Once you tell one lie you have to tell others to cover up that lie and then the story becomes so ridiculous
        It’s laughable.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 6:08 am

        • “Why would they lie? Simple…..it wasn’t true.”

          Sigh.

          Jim……look.
          You don’t START with the assumption that something isn’t true so someone lied about it. You need to build evidence to come to your conclusion.
          The roof was not lowered by the Americans. Even the Black Rabbit, denier extrordinaire, a much better researcher than you will ever be, came to the conclusion the roof was not lowered.
          Next, we have shower heads but they are not connected to a water source. We do, however, have a tap for a hose.
          We have a room that has no identifiable purpose, built in a building that contains disinfection chambers and a crematorium. It is disguised as a shower room.
          Now, if you have evidence otherwise I will be happy to see it.

          “They”

          Who is “they,” Jim?

          “try to make the story fit later but it didn’t work because there were too many lies.”

          Where are the lies, Jim?

          “And they continue to do so they change the surgery so many times will make your head spin.”

          Jim, researchers and historians go through this all of the time. Information surfaces that changes how we view events. The Dachau gas chamber is one of those things.
          Seriously, if there existed a conspiracy of some sort, wouldn’t the conspirators have their story straight before presenting this fabrication?

          “Once you tell one lie you have to tell others to cover up that lie and then the story becomes so ridiculous
          It’s laughable.”

          What’s laughable is that you start with a conclusion and then bend and twist the facts to conform with your conclusion.

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 8, 2016 @ 8:08 am

          • You wrote: “Next, we have shower heads but they are not connected to a water source. We do, however, have a tap for a hose.
            We have a room that has no identifiable purpose, built in a building that contains disinfection chambers and a crematorium. It is disguised as a shower room.
            Now, if you have evidence otherwise I will be happy to see it.”

            The alleged gas chamber at Dachau was a shower room. It was NOT a gas chamber. The alleged gas chamber was never proved in a court of law.

            I have explained it on this page of my website:

            http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/MartinGottfriedWeiss06.html

            Comment by furtherglory — July 8, 2016 @ 1:05 pm

            • “The alleged gas chamber at Dachau was a shower room. It was NOT a gas chamber. The alleged gas chamber was never proved in a court of law.”

              First, you said and Click showed that the shower heads weren’t connected to a water source. How do you have showers with no water source to the shower heads?

              Second, I doubt, even if this was proved in court, that it would matter to you and Jim.

              Comment by Jeff K. — July 8, 2016 @ 1:22 pm

              • Don’t you think if they wanted to prove that the shower had worked with water they could have done it by now? Obviously they don’t want it done they want to have nothing to do with that room so I guess that wouldn’t stand up in court would it?
                It wouldn’t even make it into court that’s how absurd it is.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 2:48 pm

        • Jim, with such circular logic I could deny the holodomor

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 12:27 pm

          • You can deny whatever you want I deal with realities….
            http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.it/2016/07/another-scientific-document-that-by.html
            One correction I think he means the word flammable not inflammable when speaking of the flammability of ZB
            French to English might be giving him a problem here….

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 12:31 pm

            • Jim watch your rudolf video again, he states quite clearly that clearly wouldn’t explode.

              The Leuchter report says that the gasses lowest percentage where it’s at risk of explosion is (6%) gassings were done on (.3%).

              There is to large of a distance between especially for outsiders of your own homegrown fantasy land.

              If one looks on page twenty six of the report we find the following.

              As well Robert has a history of being very dramatic about this.

              http://www.rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2407

              Berg has set the new standard that no explosion would happen. Rudolf has followed suit.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 12:45 pm

              • The flammability of the gas is not an issue with me it really doesn’t matter does it? if there were no gas Chambers then you don’t have to worry about it if it was flammable or not.
                One thing I get out of it is this at some point of entry access ZB it is. There is a Flashpoint to everything.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 1:19 pm

                • Your the one who mentioned it. And you cannot just start with the assertion that there were no gas chambers. You have to prove there were no gas chamber in the first place. The sad thing here Rizoli is that I can use even revisionist sources to debunk what you say. Zyklon being flammable is where the explosive point lies. It doesn’t explode till it reaches (6%), and you don’t seem to understand this.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 1:23 pm

                • Watch your Germar video again, cause he quite clearly say I am correct.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 1:31 pm

                • I dedicate that that to you Jim.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 8, 2016 @ 1:32 pm

            • I blogged about Robert Faurisson on this blog post:
              https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/

              Comment by furtherglory — July 8, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

              • Faurisson is a Joke.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 1:31 pm

              • Here is David Cole showing exactly what I mean.

                “And The Amazing Faurisson™. This is a man, more accurately a fraud, who wrote, in the Summer 1980 Journal of Historical Review, “Hitler never gave an order nor permission that anyone should be killed because of his race or religion,” while admitting five years later, on the stand at the Zundel trial, that he had never even bothered to read either standard or revisionist works about the Einsatzgruppen (I’m publishing the transcript at length so that it will be Google-searchable, attached to Faurisson’s name, from now on):
                CONTINUED CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. GRIFFITHS:
                Q: Mr. Faurisson, will you give us your opinion as to how many Jews died as a result of the action of the Einsatzgruppen, the special action groups?
                A: I have no answer about that. I said the figures that I was supposing right for the concentration camps and specially Auschwitz. I didn’t say anything about the Einsatzgruppen or about any slaughters or about any pogrom or about any Jews who died in prison.
                Q: Is that an area that you’ve researched?
                A: I’ve been interested, yes, in this, but I specialized myself in what I consider as the cornerstone of the Holocaust belief.
                Q: Dr. Hilberg testified here that 1.4 million Jews were shot by groups such as the Einsatzgruppen, and that’s the whole area that you, in your study of the Holocaust, haven’t even considered; is that right?
                A: No, I didn’t say that. I considered that, but I didn’t make a specialty of that. I know that —
                Q: Have you read the documents on that?
                A: Yes. Sure.
                Q: All right. Have you read the Stahlecker or Jager reports?
                A: Yes.
                Q: Can you tell us what the Stahlecker report says?
                A: Yes. That is about the Einsatzgruppen in Russia, but that is not my competence report.
                Q: You have read the Stahlecker report?
                A: Yes.
                Q: What does it say?
                A: It says so many Jews executed.
                Q: How many Jews?
                A: I don’t remember.
                Q: A lot, wasn’t there?
                A: It is a lot, yes.
                Q: Yes. You don’t consider that.
                A: Oh, I didn’t say that I do not consider. I say that I have not studied the question. I told you that I had been interested, this question, and that I found that Sir Reginald Paget had made some very simple remarks which seemed to me important. He has a practical way of studying the question. That is my practical way. As far as the gas chambers I know that books —
                Q: We are not talking about the gas chambers. We are talking about the Einsatzgruppen.
                A: No, that is not my specialty. I don’t want to go into that.
                Q: This book of Paget’s that you read, when was that written?
                A: ’51 or ’52 or ’53, beginning of the fifties, yes.
                Q: Are you familiar with the daily reports filed by Einsatzgruppen?
                A: I’ve seen that also, yes.
                Q: Indicating the number of dead killed each day?
                A: I’ve seen that also. I don’t know how much those documents are genuine or not. People have studied that. They do not think that it is genuine, others think that they are genuine.
                Q: Who doesn’t think they are genuine?
                A: Arthur Butz and Mark Weber. There are doubts about those reports. I cannot pronounce about them.
                Q: Who is Mark Weber?
                A: Mark Weber is a historian who is going to publish a book, and he will treat in this book the question of the Einsatzgruppen specially.
                Q: All right. And is he a member of the Institute of Historical Review?
                A: He works with, but I don’t think he is a member. He is in relation with another specialist of this question with Mr. Timothy Milligan of the National Archives, working under Mr. Robert Wolfe. I think that he has also something about that. I am waiting.
                Q: Can you tell us how many copies of the daily report were made out and how many survived?
                A: I don’t know.
                Q: You haven ever seen anything on that?
                A: I’ve seen. I don’t know. I don’t remember. I took this problem apart, like the question of, I could say, many other questions. The state of the Jews in France, for example. I am French. I should be able to answer about the situation of the Jews in France during occupation. It is an enormous work. I didn’t go into it, not really.
                Q: Why? I ask you these questions, Dr. Faurisson, because you have been qualified on the Holocaust as a whole, same as Dr. Hilberg. So I want to ask you about that as a whole.
                A: But I say that if you consider the Einsatzgruppen as being a part of this question, that’s your opinion.
                Q: Well, that’s —
                A: Myself, I am waiting for real studies about the question.
                Q: You are waiting for ….
                A: Real studies about that.
                Q: Real studies.
                A: I mean — yes. I mean something which is based on documents.
                Q: Yes. Have you read the work of Helmut Krausnick and Hans Wilhelm?
                A: No. I didn’t read this book.
                Q: So you don’t know whether that is based on documents or not?
                A: No.
                Q: All right. That is a book – you are better at German than I am. Would you read that?
                A: The troops of Weltanschauungskrieges. When I shall have the two sides I will be interested.
                Q: And that is published in 1981?
                A: Yes.
                Q: You will be interested when you have the two sides, but you haven’t read this side yet.
                A: No, I don’t say that even the other side I have not read, really. Even the side of Butz and Weber.
                So, on one side, we have David Irving, Mark Weber, and your humble author. On the other side, we have one man totally uninterested in history, another who forms his opinions based on who accepts or turns down his dinner invitations, another who is a self-described delusional psychotic, and finally a man capable of making the most sweeping statement possible while never bothering to read up on one of the most vital episodes of the period.”

                http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/5348

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 2:06 pm

            • Jim Rizoli said “One correction I think he means the word flammable not inflammable when speaking of the flammability of ZB[.] French to English might be giving him a problem here”

              No, Jim, his English is evidently more extensive than yours.

              Inflammable and flammable mean the same thing.

              Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — July 9, 2016 @ 2:50 pm

              • Trying to explain such a thing to Jim is like Berg trying to explain the properties of Zyklon-B to Faurisson.

                We both know how that ends.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 3:34 pm

                • Bergs beef with Faurisson is such a minor problem yet Berg is making a big deal about it and even Brrg and I have had a falling out because he doesn’t like the fact that I’m a Christian. Yet I interviewed him well knowing that he was an avid atheist which again atheism was something that I don’t go along with one bit but I interviewed him I gave him the chance but Berg doesn’t like me now because I’m a Christian. I find that interesting that he will throw out the baby with the bathwater here. I am trying to bring the revisionist together and he is trying to divide us up which again I have questions about his motives and what he really is doing.
                  I still have no bad feelings about Berg I just don’t understand where he’s coming from.
                  Go figure!

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 4:16 pm

                • What IS Berg’s problem?
                  He is a fucking loon.

                  I mean that with all the kindness in my heart.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 9, 2016 @ 4:40 pm

                • There is something wacko going on with him can’t figure it out…maybe old age creeping in?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 4:50 pm

                • Nah, he’s just crazy. Always has been, always will be until that black, slimy crustacean he has in place of a human heart finally bursts under its own evil.

                  Have I mentioned I loath the old goblin?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 9, 2016 @ 4:55 pm

                • “Bergs beef with Faurisson is such a minor problem yet Berg is making a big deal about it and even Brrg and I have had a falling out because he doesn’t like the fact that I’m a Christian.”

                  Hmmm… I wonder why. Maybe its cause Leuchter lied in his report (Rudolf doesn’t believe this though) and Faurisson is a stubborn idiot who continues to post old revisionist ideas that a good amount of the modern revisionist movement read. He doesn’t want Revisionist looking like idiots! Can you really blame him? I have told you countless times that the gas chambers would never explode cause they would never reach the 52,000 ppm’s needed to explode! Rudolf for some reason believes that Krema 1 could explode if it reached the limit of (6%) but this is most definitely well past the extra amount which would have been used in Krema 1.

                  “Yet I interviewed him well knowing that he was an avid atheist which again atheism was something that I don’t go along with one bit but I interviewed him I gave him the chance but Berg doesn’t like me now because I’m a Christian.”

                  I don’t think its cause your a Christian Jim… I think its far from that. I think its cause you make ‘revisionist’ look bad… In fact the only revisionist so far posting in the comments section with any sense is Rabbit.

                  ” I find that interesting that he will throw out the baby with the bathwater here.”

                  So your the baby here? Maybe Scrm was right about you at skeptic.

                  http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=523760#p523760

                  ” I am trying to bring the revisionist together and he is trying to divide us up which again I have questions about his motives and what he really is doing.”

                  He is trying to do exactly what Shermer described in his book denying history. Hes trying to get the more conservative members to brake away from the more radical members… He’s trying to make revisionist look more legitimate. Even if he is a walking racist time bomb himself, who is pushed on enough will just resort to calling most Jews liars.

                  “I still have no bad feelings about Berg I just don’t understand where he’s coming from.
                  Go figure!”

                  That’s cause you don’t understand a lot of things. This will explain it to you.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 4:54 pm

                • Let me explain for the second time here Bergs beef with me has nothing to do with my revisionist view it had to do with me being a Christian, he couldn’t stand the fact that I’m a Christian do yo understand that let’s get that straight now…. because I don’t want you to spread b******* that’s not true. Berg is doing what the Jews are best at doing they dismiss a hole discussion Point based on something stupid like what you ate this morning and that’s what Berg is doing he can’t separate a person view on one topic and his beliefs on another which is a not a good thing if you ask me……that’s why I wonder what his motives are because he sure is acting like a Jew.
                  And since he dissed me I will say it right to his face I don’t usually have bad things to say about revisionist but he came against me first and I don’t take any bull s*** from anybody, especially someone who I consider self-righteous bigoted and dismissive of people all because he doesn’t agree my or your religious View in life. If I acted like him I wouldn’t be speaking to anyone or interviewing anyone because of a lot of people have different views than me but I respect their views and I respect them as people I might not agree with their religious or political views but I respect them on the revisionist views and that’s the reason why I’m dealing with them and that’s it. I know how to separate issues I don’t hold things against people just because I don’t like what they ate this morning.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 5:10 pm

                • Jim Perhaps you didn’t listen.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 5:18 pm

    • The evidence the the ceiling was not lower [recall that Dachau was liberated on 29 April 1945]:

      1. 17 March 1942 letter [NO-3863] states that “Room 8 is provided with an intermediary ceiling of reinforced concrete.”
      2. 23 May 1942 architectural plan [NO-3886] shows that the room was to have a low, thick ceiling
      3. 2 May 1945, the photo Senators Wherry, Brooks, Richards and Representative Vorys in the “gas chamber” which has the same ceiling it does today
      4. 3 May 1945, the film footage shot in the “gas chamber” [PS-2430] showing the same ceiling which is there today
      5. 5 May 1945, Captain Fribourg inspected the room and stated in his 25 May 1945 report that the ceiling was two metres high

      The evidence it was lowered:

      1. The estimate of the ceiling height in the Congressional Report [also submitted to the IMT as L-159] which was written AFTER the Congressmen arrived back in Washington DC; the same report massively overestimates [virtually doubles] the sizes of the two rooms adjoining the “gas chamber”.
      2. Dachau survivor Eugene Seybold/Seibold claimed a new ceiling was installed, according to Mattogno.

      The ceiling was not lowered, the evidence is overwhelming: A German plan and a letter about its construction; a photograph and film footage shot on known dates within days of Dachau’s liberation, plus the earliest official report on the “gas chamber” based on an inspection just days after liberation.

      Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — July 9, 2016 @ 7:01 am

      • You guys are still wasting your time on this point about the ceiling I have no idea…. I think you’re just trying to waste our time on this site this room was not used as a gas chamber and whether the ceiling was high low 2 inches high I don’t care.
        I can see how you Holohucksters like the filibuster a topic to death just to waste time.

        Here is something I’m reading about now in the book dissecting the Holocaust by Grermar Rudolph great reading about the man Luftl he was an engineer and what happened with him he didn’t believe the Dachau lies about the gas chamber and he went through hell for it.
        The book is a great read if you care to learn the truth about your whole hooks to the views.
        Actually the read might be above your IQ.

        GERMAR RUDOLF · DISSECTING THE HOLOCAUST

        p.84

        Thus, Lüftl, vindicated by the District Criminal Court of Vienna, could state with impunity:

        1. In light of natural laws and technical possibilities vs. impossibilities, the mass gassings with Zyklon B, as they are described by ‘contemporaneous witnesses’ and ‘perpetrators who confessed’, cannot have taken place.

        2. The Kurt Gerstein Statement is (verbatim) “a whopping lie”.

        3. By virtue of the composition of the exhaust gases, mass gassings with Diesel exhaust fumes cannot have taken place. Had there really been execution chambers or ‘gas vans’ operating with exhaust gas, the Germans would have used the more efficient internal combustion engines, or the even more efficient wood-gas generators.

        4. Crematoria chimneys do not spew flames during the cremation process. All ‘eyewitness’ testimonies asserting such a phenomenon are false.

        5. The number of cremated victims is considerably exaggerated since the capacity of the cremaoria would have been insufficient to handle mass gassings. The quantity of fuel actually used delimits the true number of bodies cremated.

        6. No homicidal mass gassings took place in the concentration camp Mauthausen. The method of gassing described by witnesses is nonsense and would have been fatal for the executioners.

        7. Homicidal mass gassing using bottled carbon monoxide is technically impossible nonsense.

        8. Auerbach’s attempt at discrediting the Leuchter Report can easily be refuted by experiment.

        9. Zyklon B and Diesel exhaust fumes have lost all credibility as alleged ‘murder weapons’ used in the “planned extermination of millions of human beings, especially Jews, as part of a program of planned genocide.”

        10. Natural laws hold true for ‘Nazis’ no less than for anti-Fascists.

        11. Material evidence will refute the testimony of perjured ‘eyewitnesses’ and the confessions of ‘perpetrators’.

        12. Should the objective and scientific investigation of the Holocaust nevertheless prove the “planned genocide by means of gas chambers”, then the Revisionists too will have to accept this.

        13. Who is it that wants to stifle any and all discussion of this topic by means of criminal laws, and for what reasons?

        14. Are we entering an era of 1984 totalitarianism after all, albeit through the back door? However, considering the new revised paragraph 3h) of Austria’s Prohibition Order, it seems to be necessary to advise others not to make similar claims today, since the above statements were made before the new law came into effect. A national-liberal Austrian publisher who published these statements in 1995 as part of a documentation of Lüftl’s case,was charged with “Holocaust denial” according to the new §3h) and consequently sentenced to 10 month imprisonment on probation and a fine of ÖS 240,000 ($24,000).

        Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 7:14 am

        • You’re an idiot, Jim Rizoli; no one’s wasting efforts talking to you.

          Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — July 9, 2016 @ 2:45 pm

          • Like I’m worried about people like you not liking what I say.

            Now let’s read something that’s interesting Cremations … I’m going through his book right now here are some Snippets from it.

            DissectingThe Holocaust by Germar Rudolph
            p.72
            9.2. Capacity of the Crematoria
            Due to the characteristic nature of court expert Jagschitz’s presentation (without adequate technical verification, but proportionately all the more adamant!), the document pertaining to the capacity
            of the crematoria14 will be briefly discussed.
            The document15 of June 23, 1943, states the five crematoria of Auschwitz Stammlager and Birkenau were able to process 4,756 corpses in 24 hours.
            The figure regarding total capacity was purely hypothetical.
            The first point here is that the SS Central Construction Management includes in its statement crematorium I of Auschwitz Stammlager, even though it was to be reconstructed into an air-raid shelter a few weeks later. Crematorium II frequently had to be taken out of service because of damage to its chimney and was fully serviceable only from May to July 1944(!). Crematorium III was never used
            to full capacity, and crematorium IV suffered from constant damage to its ovens and chimney
            (taken out of service in May 1943, repairs attempted in vain in April 1944) and was shut down for
            good after the inmates’ revolt of October 7, 1944. In crematoria V as well, ovens and chimneys frequently burned out. The document in question is well-known and has already been declared to be
            absurd several times (Stäglich, Butz, Walendy and others).16 The figures it cites are sheer fantasy, as
            the following will show. Aside from the claim that the capacity of the individual retorts in crematoria II through V allegedly was 96 persons per day,17 the capacity of crematorium I would have been
            only half as great – even though the supplier (Topf & Söhne) clearly manufactured the ovens based
            on the same patent.
            But if one compares this document with the memo of March 12, 1943,18 regarding the consumption of coke fuel recorded there, then one finds something truly remarkable. In a non-stop 24-hour
            operation the 4,416 bodies (4,756 – 340 for crematorium I = crematorium II through V) could allegedly be cremated with 34,574 lbs. of coke fuel, i.e., 7.8 lbs. per body. This is utterly incredible,
            since normally it takes 88 to 110 lbs. per body. Anyone who does not believe this is free to go to the
            crematorium of any larger city and ask the older staff members there, who remember the ‘coal-fired
            age’.
            The maximum delivery of coke fuel in March 1943 amounted to 144.5 metric tons,20 this alleged
            peak capacity was possible for only nine days in March 1943 – but at that time crematoria II
            through V were not yet ready for full operation! At other times, average consumption was about 71
            metric tons per month; in other words, the crematoria could have been used at peak capacity for only 4.5 days per month. Even if the fabulous capacity of 4,416 persons per day were fact, no more than a maximum 20,000 bodies could have been cremated per ‘average month’ in 1943. If one takes into consideration a realistic fuel consumption rate, which may be conservatively estimated at 55 to
            66 pounds (greater than the alleged by a factor of 7 to 8!), then the cremation capacity of the crematoria cannot have exceeded an average of 2,500 to 3,000 bodies per month. This means that the
            method by which the victims of the mass gassings were disposed of is yet to be determined. In any case, the crematoria were not up to such a task. Possibilities that have been suggested include burning the bodies in pits and on pyres, for instance with methanol (boiling point 148F!), or with wood:
            quantities of 330 to 440 lbs per body would be required; and the question whether such an operation would even be possible at all becomes clear from the testimony of crematoria expert Lagacé, see
            Section 9.4.
            For the double-/triple-/eightfold retorts respectively, the consumption of coke fuel (based on a calculation of the energy balance) per body, in continuous operation (i.e., in the theoretical ideal case), for ‘normal bodies’, would amount to 50.1/33.7/24.9 lbs, and for extremely emaciated bodies, to 67.7/45.0/33.7 lbs, which means an approximate average of 44.1 lbs.21 One must add to this approximately 20% for periods of firing-up and discontinuity. In other words, between April and October 1943 (consumption approx. 497 metric tons18), 497,000/24 = 20,000 to 21,000 bodies could be
            cremated. This means an average of barely 3,000 cremations per month, or roughly 100 per day.
            Therefore, if one considers the actual consumption of fuel, the crematoria were incapable of cremating thousands of bodies per day. Furthermore, after a maximum of 3,000 cremations the retort is
            burned out’, that is, the wall and ceiling tile must be completely replaced, which, as can also be
            proved, was never done for any of the retorts.
            9.3. No Smoke from the Crematoria Chimneys
            Regarding the absence of smoke from the crematoria chimneys in Auschwitz-Birkenau on the
            USAF aerial reconnaissance photos,22 court expert Jagschitz suggested that the Americans
            “probably used a filter […] its purpose was to screen out thin clouds […]”
            However, even if such a filter had successfully “screened out” smoke trails, expert Jagschitz should know that their shadows would still have been visible on the ground, and thus on the photos,
            as clearly and precisely as the shadows of the stacks are visible. Aside from this fact, the filters, for whose use Jagschitz cannot cite any source or evidence, clearly were not used, since the bombs
            dropped by the Allies caused fires on the ground, and thus smoke trails; and these smoke trails are
            clearly visible on other photos.
            9.4. The “Fabulous” Crematorium Expert
            Questioned by defense attorney Dr. Herbert Schaller, court expert Jagschitz stated that he did not
            understand how some (later “some fabulous”) crematorium expert could say that there had only
            been hundreds (of cremations), … [thousands] are just physically unrealistic… unimaginable…25
            By studying the sworn testimony of the “fabulous” crematorium expert (a Canadian citizen before a
            Canadian court on April 5 and 6, 1988, in the second ‘Zündel Trial’!), expert witness Jagschitz
            could easily have discovered technical reality.
            The “fabulous crematorium expert” is Ivan Lagacé, Manager of the Bow Valley Crematorium in
            Calgary, Alberta, Canada. The Bow Valley Crematorium is the hottest and therefore the fastest
            crematory in operation in North America. By virtue of its natural gas burner a cremation can be
            completed in only 90 minutes.
            Lagacé had completed the two-and-a half-year Funeral Services program at Humber College in
            Ontario and in 1979 obtained his diploma and Ontario license. In 1983 he obtained his Alberta license. He has cremated more than 1,000 bodies. In clear testimony Lagacé meticulously explained
            the problems of cremation and the hazards involved. He showed, in replicable and verifiable manner, that the (coal-stoked!) crematoria of Birkenau were less efficient than crematoria using natural-
            gas burners (where power can be simply shut off). He was also familiar with the plans for the Birkenau crematoria and compared them to the similar facilities in Bow Valley.
            Lagacé also discussed in detail the practice of open-air burning and the issue of how to deal with
            typhus-infected corpses. Regarding open-air burning, he testified that even with the use of gasoline, in 90% of all cases it would be only the skin that charred, perhaps the limbs would also be burnt, but the torso was very difficult to cremate.
            That was the “fabulous” crematorium expert, whose testimony is doubtless of much greater value
            than a patently false document. A physically impossible scenario does not become true even if it is alleged in a ‘genuine’ document, or one considered to be ‘genuine’ by court expert Jagschitz.
            Even Raul Hilberg knows that crematorium I was operational only until spring 1943.26 So why the
            SS would still detail its capacity on June 23, 1943, in this case is “unimaginable” for this author.
            9.5. The Powerful Ventilators
            On May 4, 1992, court expert Jagschitz discussed the “considerably large ventilators” (“I found
            that clearly in Moscow”, page 19 of court transcript; “these enormous ventilators that vent air out of
            the mortuaries”, “rather there were considerably large ventilators at least in crematoria II and III”,
            page 34 of court transcript).
            These ventilators had engines of 3.5 hp. Given a necessary vacuum capacity of 6 inches water-
            column and considering the length of the conduit cross-sections, conduit course (numerous right-
            angle diversions), interior surfaces of the conduit (undressed brick, wood) and the nature of the vent
            openings (coarsely punched metal), this suffices for a maximum of ten exchanges of air in the ‘gas
            chamber’ per hour.
            Considering the ventilation time of 30 minutes, this means that the concentration of hydrogen
            cyanide may then have dropped to a minimum of approximately 1/100 of the initial concentration.
            But since the method of alleged introduction of the Zyklon B from above means that the evaporation of hydrogen cyanide cannot be simply ‘shut off’, as it were (that works only in the American
            gas chambers using hydrogen cyanide generators), the evaporation would continue and at a greater
            rate than before, since the less than atmospheric pressure created in ventilation (lowering of the
            boiling-point) promotes evaporation. This means that until almost right before the end of the evaporation process – which can take from a few to many hours, depending on the ambient temperature
            and humidity – the ventilators with their capacity of only 3.5 hp would have had to perform a Sisyphean task without succeeding in lowering the concentration below the lethal level.
            The question how the ventilators really worked, given a chamber crowded to bursting with dead
            bodies and given the air intake and exhaust configuration, is a matter that still needs to be settled by ventilation experts, for the used air was exhausted from below even though heating and increased moisture content caused by the presence of the victims would have made it lighter than the incoming fresh air. Another problem is the fact that the air intake and exhaust openings are located too close to each other – 6.5 feet apart on the same wall, vs. a distance of 24.5 feet from the opposite
            wall of the room blocked by the dead bodies. This means that there would be a ‘short-circuit’ of air
            in the chamber.
            Given an initial hydrogen cyanide concentration of 5 g/m3, complete ‘shut-off’ of gas production,
            five air exchanges per half hour and ideal ventilation conditions, the concentration of hydrogen cyanide remaining will be only 50 mg/m3
            after half an hour and it will be safe to enter the gas chamber without a gas mask. But since Zyklon B continues to outgas for hours, entering the gas chamber after 30 minutes and without protective clothing as claimed would be fatal. Even gas masks equipped with a special filter J, guaranteeing safety for 30 minutes, would be inadequate under such condi-
            tions. Furthermore, the location of the air intake and exhaust vents on the roof ridge, approximately
            15 feet apart,27 begs the question as to what would happen whenever there was a breeze from the
            exhaust vent towards the intake opening. Again, it would be a matter of a ‘short-circuit of air’. No
            self-respecting German engineer worth his epaulets would design a ‘gas chamber’ this poorly.
            The ventilator for the dissecting room and the rooms for washing up and for laying out the corpses
            – all of them situated above-ground and with windows – had a capacity of 1 hp, while that for the
            much larger mortuary 1 (‘gas chamber’) had 3.5 hp. As Carlo Mattogno has shown, the perform-
            ance of all air extractions systems of the different rooms in crematoria II and III in Birkenau (oven
            room, mortuary 1, mortuary 2, dissecting and washing room) was considered to be nearly the same:
            11,5 to 16,6 air exchanges per hour.28 And Mattogno provided evidence that this was the standard
            power required for morgues according to contemporary German expert literature,29 whereas air ex-
            traction systems for hydrogen cyanide gas chambers (delousing chambers) required at least 72 air
            exchanges per hour.30 Thus, mortuary 1 was certainly not suited to exchange the given volume of
            air, enriched with 5 g/m3
            (according to Pressac,31 it was even 12 g/m3
            !) and within the space of time
            (30 minutes) claimed in Holocaust literature (eyewitness reports), nor was it suited to exchange the given volume of air a sufficient number of times to allow the ‘gas chamber’ to be entered after this
            ventilation process without powerful gas masks and protective clothing. The bottom line of all this
            is that the ventilation facilities of crematoria II and III were designed strictly for purposes of normal
            ventilation, and not for the removal of highly toxic quantities of gas in a short period of time (20 to 30 minutes).

            Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 3:05 pm

            • Mattogno clearly says cremation in full was 40 minutes… 20 in the Muffle… 20 in the ash collector… according to this estimate that should be 3 bodies an hour… Based off Pressac we know the Topf ovens of auschwitz cremated two bodies at once which would mean 4 bodies an hour.

              Ether way you still have the ability with these ovens to cremate a large mass of bodies. And the Gusen time-sheet shows you to be a fool.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 3:50 pm

    • No pipes connected with these showerheads Tal.

      “With the new crematorium a gas chamber was also connected. The whole construction of the crematorium with its gas chamber was completed in 1943. It contained an ‘undressing room’, a ‘shower bath’, and a ‘mortuary’. The showers were metal traps which had *no pipelines for a supply of poisonous gas.* This gas chamber was never set in action in Dachau. Only the dead were brought to the crematorium for ‘burning’, no living for ‘gassing’.”
      (Neuhäusler, Dr. Johannes, Auxiliary Bishop of Munich, op. cit., p. 15.)

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 3:17 pm

  2. “I’m from Missouri, the Show Me state. I am one of the few people who has actually seen a real gas chamber in Jefferson City, MO. So I knew right away that the so-called gas chamber at Dachau was not a gas chamber.”

    I asked you this yesterday, why would a Nazi gas chamber have any resemblance to a US gas chamber?

    I also asked you when would the US soldiers have an opportunity to the lower ceiling before the above picture was taken. I also asked why they would do this.

    Really, I don’t understand the hubbub. No one now claims mass gassings took place in this room. If the room was used it’s likely that it was only used on a small experimental scale.

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 5:54 am

    • You wrote: “No one now claims mass gassings took place in this room. If the room was used it’s likely that it was only used on a small experimental scale.”

      That is NOT what is now claimed. Holohoaxers claimed for a few years that the gas chamber was used extensively, then they claimed for a few years that it was not a gas chamber, then changed their minds and claimed again that it was used extensively.

      As for why a Nazi gas chamber would have any resemblance to a US gas chamber, I think that a gas chamber is a gas chamber and there would be at least some resemblance. The Jeff City gas chamber is a two-seater with a very high smoke stack while the Dachau gas chamber looks like a fully functional shower room with floor drains and shower fixtures.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 6:18 am

      • “That is NOT what is now claimed. Holohoaxers claimed for a few years that the gas chamber was used extensively, then they claimed for a few years that it was not a gas chamber, then changed their minds and claimed again that it was used extensively.”

        Right now everything that I read about the Dachau gas chamber is that IF it was used it was only used on a very limited basis. I don’t care what anyone believed in 1945, 1960, 1980 or 2002. The soldiers that liberated those camps made mistakes but that was understandable considering what they found.

        “As for why a Nazi gas chamber would have any resemblance to a US gas chamber, I think that a gas chamber is a gas chamber and there would be at least some resemblance.”

        Not necessarily. The intent of a US gas chamber is the execution of a person convicted of a crime. This person knows they are going to die and how it is going to happen. A Nazi gas chamber was intended to kill large groups of people the Nazis determined (without a trial) to be a threat or a potential threat to the state. Another reason was to eliminate useless mouths (it helped that those mouths were attached to Jews). The appearance was intended to deceive the victims for as long as possible (which didn’t always work) to prevent resistance.

        “The Jeff City gas chamber is a two-seater with a very high smoke stack”

        So, a gas chamber designed to execute 2 people (I don’t mind telling you I find that strange).

        “which the Dachau gas chamber looks like a fully functional shower room with floor drains and shower fixtures.”

        Again, a room designed to fool those going in as long as possible.
        Why fake shower heads, BTW?
        Drains do make sense if you want to make it easier to spray the room to rid it of biological material.
        Why would a shower room have an attachment for a hose?

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 6:46 am

      • When exactly did you become a denier?

        Comment by Anonymous — July 7, 2016 @ 4:04 pm

        • You wrote: “When exactly did you become a denier?”

          It happened very slowly; it was not all at once. I would say that, by 2007, I was a denier but not ready to admit it yet.

          Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 4:09 pm

          • Do you mean to yourself or to others?

            Comment by Anonymous — July 7, 2016 @ 6:37 pm

            • You have to understand when a denier comes out of the closet it can really be bad news for you because you can lose your job because that’s how the Jews like to get to you. They like to hit you in your pocket and I know that personally. When I started making my videos and putting them on cable TV I lost a lot of the Jewish people for clients because they were my biggest clients but as they came easy they left easy. Odly they liked me because they knew that they could trust me.
              Jews are very connected you will get work because of them and they will take work away from you because of them.
              In 2009 I put my first video on cable TV criticizing the Jews and the Holocaust and that was it, it was all downhill from there. I quickly got kicked out of my business network eventually lost 75% of my business fortunately it didn’t really affect me financially because I still had a core of customers that were loyal. Eventually I just retired and spend most my time researching the HoloHoax and exposing it for what it is. Also in 2010 and then again in 2014 they took my shows off of Cable TV and they Banned Me from producing them for anyone else Untill eternity. Just shows you how much power the Jews have they can actually take your shows off of cable TV and then lie about you and no one cares, because if they defend you they will get the same treatment. Peer pressure can be pretty stressful on you so most people give in to it.

              I’m not a HoloHoax denier because I’m up on History in care about Germany or any type of War history …Im a HoloHoax denier because I can’t stand how the Jews can get away with controlling The Narrative of the topic. Since when do they hold the key to how history is told. Despicable people who God will deal with when the final day comes for judgment.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 7:03 pm

              • “I’m not a HoloHoax denier because I’m up on History in care about Germany or any type of War history …Im a HoloHoax denier because I can’t stand how the Jews can get away with controlling The Narrative of the topic. Since when do they hold the key to how history is told. Despicable people who God will deal with when the final day comes for judgment.”

                Wow. That actually explains a lot.

                Jim……..I’m struggling to understand………..so, you don’t actually know the history? So, you wouldn’t know what I meant if I said Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? Or Pact of Steel? Or what the Winter War was? Or Operation Typhoon?

                Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 7:24 pm

                • I’m immersed into the history now but that’s not the reason why I got into it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 7:26 pm

      • “That is NOT what is now claimed. Holohoaxers claimed for a few years that the gas chamber was used extensively, then they claimed for a few years that it was not a gas chamber, then changed their minds and claimed again that it was used extensively. ”

        No the Dachau Museum revised itself and decided to follow historians in agreeing that experimental gassing’s happened.

        Perhaps you should understand that even if people were not gassed in this room according to Dr. Sigmund Rascher animal’s were gassed.

        “The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on *animals* or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases.”

        http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/index.html

        Is this hard to understand FG? I have a good feeling you have seen this document before.

        “As for why a Nazi gas chamber would have any resemblance to a US gas chamber, I think that a gas chamber is a gas chamber and there would be at least some resemblance. The Jeff City gas chamber is a two-seater with a very high smoke stack while the Dachau gas chamber looks like a fully functional shower room with floor drains and shower fixtures.”

        So what? People have been able to turn their cars into gas chambers.

        All you need is an enclosed space FG, regardless of heating one could turn a confined room into a gas chamber with zyklon-b considering the gas also releases via air contact.

        We know this room had ventilation and metal doors… No windows… So nothing seems of issue.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 2:05 am

    • We’re not making a hubbub about it you are….
      We been saying it all the time, there were NO homicidal gas chambers in Dachau.
      Holohoax deniers 1 Holohucksters 0.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 7:23 am

      • “We’re not making a hubbub about it you are….
        We been saying it all the time, there were NO homicidal gas chambers in Dachau.
        Holohoax deniers 1 Holohucksters 0.”

        No, Jim. The confusion among sane researchers and historians is how much the room was actually used, not if it was a gas chamber.

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 7:36 am

        • You wrote: “The confusion among sane researchers and historians is how much the [shower] room was actually used, not if it was a gas chamber.”

          The building that is claimed to have been a gas chamber is outside the Dachau camp. Why would the Germans have put a shower room OUTSIDE the camp. Was it because they wanted the prisoners to shower before entering the camp, in order to avoid bringing lice into the camp? There was another shower room just inside the camp. Why not bring the Jews into the camp, lice and all, and let them shower inside the camp. I think that the Germans wanted the Jews to shower BEFORE entering the camp to get rid of the lice before it became a bigger problem. No one is allowed to see the shower room that is inside the camp. Tourists are not allowed to see what a real German shower room looked like. Tourists are not allowed to see the basement under the alleged gas chamber because they would see the water pipes of the shower room. Tourists are not allowed to see the control room behind the Dachau gas chamber because they would be able to see the controls that say On and Off, meaning to turn the water on and off. The controls allowed some of the shower heads to be turned on while other shower heads in the room were turned off.

          Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 7:51 am

          • Simple explanation buy too much for the Holohuckster mindset. They need blood and gore.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 7:55 am

          • You wrote: “The confusion among sane researchers and historians is how much the [shower] room was actually used, not if it was a gas chamber.”

            “The building that is claimed to have been a gas chamber is outside the Dachau camp. Why would the Germans have put a shower room OUTSIDE the camp.”

            Why would the Germans put a shower in a building housing a crematorium? Why not just set up a building used only for showers?

            “Was it because they wanted the prisoners to shower before entering the camp, in order to avoid bringing lice into the camp? There was another shower room just inside the camp. Why not bring the Jews into the camp, lice and all, and let them shower inside the camp.”

            If there was another shower right inside the camp, why build another shower right outside the camp? If it was too small, why not enlarge it or build another one? Why place a small shower in the crematorium and disinfection building? In the back? That doesn’t make any sense.

            “I think that the Germans wanted the Jews to shower BEFORE entering the camp to get rid of the lice before it became a bigger problem.”

            Ok, that makes sense…..but again, your alleged “shower room” is in the wrong place for that function.

            “No one is allowed to see the shower room that is inside the camp. Tourists are not allowed to see what a real German shower room looked like. Tourists are not allowed to see the basement under the alleged gas chamber because they would see the water pipes of the shower room.”

            Do you know if there are actually water pipes down there, or is that a guess? I would think any pipes that are down there would be drains.

            “Tourists are not allowed to see the control room behind the Dachau gas chamber because they would be able to see the controls that say On and Off, meaning to turn the water on and off. The controls allowed some of the shower heads to be turned on while other shower heads in the room were turned off.”

            How do you know this? My understanding is the shower heads are fakes.

            Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 8:32 am

            • You wrote: ” My understanding is the shower heads are fakes.”

              The shower heads in the Dachau gas chamber are real but they are not connected to any pipes.
              After the Dachau camp was liberated on April 29, 1945, the American military compiled the Chavez Report which described the Dachau gas chamber.

              On page 25, The Chavez Report stated the following:

              The new building had a gas chamber for executions… the gas chamber was labeled “shower room” over the entrance and was a large room with airtight doors and double glassed lights, sealed and gas proof. The ceiling was studded with dummy shower heads. A small observation peephole, double glassed and hermetically sealed was used to observe the conditions of the victims. There were grates in the floor. Hydrogen cyanide was mixed in the room below, and rose into the gas chamber and out the top vents.

              Col. Chavez testified as an expert witness on the first day of the trial of Martin Gottfried Weiss and 39 others, but he did not mention the gas chamber; the gas chamber exhibits which his investigative team had prepared were not shown in the courtroom.

              Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 9:01 am

              • So the report prepared by Colonel Chavez states that;- “Hydrogen cyanide was mixed in the room below, and rose into the gas chamber and out the top vents”.

                My goodness me – how many more methods of introducing the poison gas are they going to invent. No wonder we are all confused!

                And I just luv the good colonel’s absence of any technical explanation of how he imagines the Hydrogen cyanide was “mixed”.

                Comment by Talbot — July 7, 2016 @ 9:42 am

              • FG Is it just me or do you really no comprehend the idea of “EXPERIMENTAL”

                “Some day, you might go to see the Dachau memorial site. The first thing that you will see is the area OUTSIDE the Arbeit Macht Frei gate into the camp. You might think “Why was the gas chamber located OUTSIDE the camp?” Was it because the evil Nazis wanted to kill those filthy Jews before they brought their lice into the camp and started an epidemic that would kill everyone in the vicinity? Or was it because they wanted to give the Jews a shower to get rid of their lice before bringing them into the camp?”

                Some day I most likely will get my hands on more testimony and find more evidence against your theories. Such reasoning for the gas chamber being located outside the camp doesn’t matter. I think I also explained that I do not believe Dachau was an extermination center. As well the gas chamber was only used on an experimental level from what we know. Prisoners do speak of the germans gassing people on mass… and the idea of overcrowding was a last ditch attempt of killing as many Jews as they could… Thats why it was called a Death March.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 1:43 pm

            • I think we have really dragged this topic through the mud enough how about starting another topic. We all know there was no homicidal gas chambers in Dachau Case Closed let’s move on Jeff to another thing you can’t prove.
              We went from having you try to prove there was one too now we know there was not one so I think the issue is a Dead Issue don’t you think.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 9:56 am

              • “I think we have really dragged this topic through the mud enough how about starting another topic. We all know there was no homicidal gas chambers in Dachau Case Closed let’s move on Jeff to another thing you can’t prove.
                We went from having you try to prove there was one too now we know there was not one so I think the issue is a Dead Issue don’t you think.”

                Well, let’s tick through the things we can’t prove:

                The roof was lowered. This is obviously false.

                The room was a shower. Well, the shower heads weren’t connected to anything. It’s kinda hard to take a shower if the shower heads aren’t connected to a water source.

                The room was actually used to gas anyone. This is also true, there are no reliable sources for any gassings. The most we have is a reference to experimental gassings by Rascher, however, the SS executed him before the end of the war.

                So, in sum, I’m not sure what we have. This was not a functioning shower room, it was a gas chamber. However, it is uncertain to what capacity it was ever used.

                Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 10:08 am

                • Jeff….It wasn’t a gas chamber…..just because they said it was doesn’t mean it was….
                  It was used because it wasn’t equipped to be used as one.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 10:44 am

                • “It was used because it wasn’t equipped to be used as one.”

                  ?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 10:46 am

                • Prove it….show me someone who was gassed in it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 10:52 am

                • “Prove it….show me someone who was gassed in it.”

                  That’s kind of the point, Jim. I have no idea if it was ever used. The documentation on this gas chamber is very sparse.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 11:12 am

                • Then case closed, it should shut up all the Holohuxsters who say it was.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 11:19 am

                • “Then case closed, it should shut up all the Holohuxsters who say it was.”

                  Please prove that the room was a shower facility.

                  I need to see blue prints, testimony from the SS or engineer who built that room, whatever you have.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 11:23 am

                • Boy are you beating a dead horse on this one…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 11:25 am

                • @Boy are you beating a dead horse on this one”

                  Jim, I’m the one who said I didn’t understand the hubbub about this gas chamber.

                  If you say it’s a shower prove it.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 11:39 am

                • Jeff…It’s not a real shower room either as far as I understand it…..the shower heads aren’t hooked up to a water supply they are just there for show.
                  They want you to think it was a gas chamber….pretty funny, it was a nothing room, made for Horror Disneyland.
                  So dumbos look at a room that had no real function, not a shower room not a gas chamber just a silly room, and say ahhhhh a killing room for Jews…
                  hopefully you’re getting it by now….The Holohuxsters can call it what they want.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 11:45 am

                • “Jeff…It’s not a real shower room either as far as I understand it…..the shower heads aren’t hooked up to a water supply they are just there for show.”

                  Why would the Germans stick fake shower heads in a room that wasn’t a shower?

                  “They want you to think it was a gas chamber….pretty funny, it was a nothing room, made for Horror Disneyland.”

                  Jim, the Germans built that room when they constructed the building.

                  “So dumbos look at a room that had no real function,”

                  Why would the “efficient” Germans build a “nothing” room and stick shower heads on the ceiling?

                  “not a shower room not a gas chamber just a silly room, and say ahhhhh a killing room for Jews…”

                  Ok, well, we have a room with shower heads and a connection for a hose. We have a vent. That’s a lot of “nothing” for a “silly room.”

                  “hopefully you’re getting it by now….The Holohuxsters can call it what they want.”

                  Snore. Again, I don’t understand the fuss.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 11:57 am

                • You wrote: “Why would the “efficient” Germans build a “nothing” room and stick shower heads on the ceiling?”

                  Jeff, you need to study the liberation of the Dachau camp. You can read about it on this page of my website, written before I was a Holocaust denier.
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/LiberationDay.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 12:16 pm

                • Why would a thousands of Holocaust Survivors lie about their experiences in the camp, why would they take the Auschwitz 2,3 morgues and make it into a homicidal gas chamber, why would they recreate a building after the war and chip in holes in the roof that weren’t there in the original building and make it look like it was a homicidal gas chamber why, why, why, …
                  pretty simple answer……because there was no Holocaust of millions of Jews and they have to make it look like there was and they will do anything within their power to recreate it, make it. lie about it so Dumbo’s like our Holohucksters here to believe it.
                  I mean really now, killing millions of people with bug spray who would have thought?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 12:25 pm

                • You wrote “Why would a thousands of Holocaust Survivors lie about their experiences in the camp, why would they take the Auschwitz 2,3 morgues and make it into a homicidal gas chamber,”

                  There were lies told about the camps before the camps were liberated. The Jews felt that they needed to testify that those lies were really true.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

                • I know a lot of the SS and German soldiers themselves gave testimony that there were real gas Chambers because they were either tortured or threatened with losing their pensions or maybe even threatened with being sent to Russia but whatever threats there were they weren’t Pleasant and that’s why they gave in and said things that didn’t happen. In regards to the Jews they were just getting back at the Germans and we’re very vindictive about iy.
                  They didn’t like the way they were treated they didn’t like that they had to get their haircut and they had to actually work in these camps and being Jews the last thing they didn’t like the way they were cremated which was as far as I understand against Jewish religious law.
                  So with all those things facing the Germans they didn’t have a chance dealing with the Jews and what will happen later.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 2:17 pm

                • “I know a lot of the SS and German soldiers themselves gave testimony that there were real gas Chambers because they were either tortured or threatened with losing their pensions or maybe even threatened with being sent to Russia but whatever threats there were they weren’t Pleasant and that’s why they gave in and said things that didn’t happen.”

                  Really? All of them? Even the ones prosecuted by West Germany in the 60’s? What about now? Do you think the Germans are currently torturing the 95 year-old-prison guards? Threatening to send them to Russia?
                  What about their diary entries, Jim? Did someone torture them to write in their diaries?

                  http://www-tc.pbs.org/auschwitz/learning/guides/reading2.3.pdf

                  “In regards to the Jews they were just getting back at the Germans and we’re very vindictive about iy.
                  They didn’t like the way they were treated they didn’t like that they had to get their haircut and they had to actually work in these camps and being Jews the last thing they didn’t like the way they were cremated which was as far as I understand against Jewish religious law.
                  So with all those things facing the Germans they didn’t have a chance dealing with the Jews and what will happen later.”

                  No Jim, it wasn’t Jews. The Germans faced the US, USSR and Britain after the war.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 2:29 pm

                • Jeff I thought you were smarter than that…..remember there NO gas chambers but these men said there were, why would they say something that wasn’t true?
                  When tortured or threatened people will say anything to save their skin. Some thought they would play the game and found out they still lost.
                  Go watch the movie Goyas Ghost great movie about how far people will go when tortured….everyone has a breaking point.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 2:34 pm

                • “Jeff I thought you were smarter than that…..remember there NO gas chambers but these men said there were, why would they say something that wasn’t true?”

                  Jim, your premise is flawed.
                  You can’t start with “NO gas chambers” and force the facts to bend that way.

                  “When tortured or threatened people will say anything to save their skin. Some thought they would play the game and found out they still lost.
                  Go watch the movie Goyas Ghost great movie about how far people will go when tortured….everyone has a breaking point.”

                  I’m not going to disagree with you.

                  However, did someone torture Himmler into talking about extermination at Posen? What about the diary entry made by the doctor I showed you? Was that torture? Frank’s diaries? Torture as well? Goebbel’s diaries? Goebbels was dead. Sure, the British tortured Hoess….but Hoess wrote his memoirs two years after that. Hoess commented how well the Polish treated him.

                  See, Jim, your problem is that you think all of this is based on what Jews said after the war. It isn’t. The Germans implicated themselves.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 2:47 pm

                • You wrote: “did someone torture Himmler into talking about extermination at Posen?”

                  I have put Himmler’s two Posen speeches on my website at
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/HimmlerSpeeches.html

                  You can read what he said in German and in English.

                  This quote is from one of his Posen speeches:
                  “To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard. This is a chapter of glory in our history which has never been written, and which never shall be written; since we know how hard it would be for us if we still had the Jews, as secret saboteurs, agitators, and slander-mongers, among us now, in every city — during the bombing raids, with the suffering and deprivations of the war. We would probably already be in the same situation as in 1916/17 if we still had the Jews in the body of the German people.” Heinrich Himmler, Poznan speech, Oct. 4, 1943

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 3:02 pm

                • Jeff….. I think what bothers me about you is you look feverishly for what you want to see but you turn a blind eye to everything else.
                  Spielberg did the same thing with his Shoah video, out of 50,000 interviews he chose only the ones 20,000 or so he thought would make his holohoax case…so what happened with all the other ones that said just the opposite of what he wanted to say?
                  The HoloHoax has to be taken with ALL the testimony and then gone through to see which ones stand up to heavy scrutiny.
                  You refuse to abide by that rule.

                  You even admitted you don’t listen or read the survivor testimonies, why not? Because you will see a great divergence of truth.
                  It is painfull to see how most of the testimonies are embarrassing to listen too. Outright fairy tales.
                  So you made you mind up to what version of the holoHoax you want to subscribe to and you run with that.
                  That is why I don’t get too deeply involved with debate here it’s just a waste of my time….and the same goes for the skeptic site….
                  I’ve said plenty, I’ve made hundreds of videos about the topic, read everyday about it, had shows on cable tv etc… so why bother to repeat myself.

                  I really don’t care if you or your fellow holohuxsters like my videos or not I said what I feel is the truth. When you get to my age you quit trying to convince those which there is no convincing. Thats why I just put up links ect because I’m not going waste my time, and I don’t have to impress anyone especially HoloHoaxers who refuse to look at both sides, and then complain that, that is my problem. I’m where I am now because I looked at both sides, and won’t waste my time with the crap. i know what info is good and what is bad.
                  By the way….The skeptic site is made up of some poor sad sacks that have no life but love to degrade and insult people I guess it makes them feel important to do so. They must have low self-esteem. Personally I feel sorry for them. Again age seems to relieve me of having to impress anyone. I could be 100% right and they will still find something to complain about.
                  The Jews don’t give handshakes to those that criticize them, no matter how well you present your case. You’re either with them 100% or not with them at all.
                  You will find that out when you lower the camp deaths….no matter what the death figure is if it’s not 6 million you out on your ass. Van Pelt got a taste of that.
                  So continue to cherry pick your flavor of the Holohoax you want to promote, you won’t change us truthers here.
                  We have finally put it all together and sleep well at night. If FG can come to the realization that the Holocost is a Hoax then I must be doing something right.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 3:49 pm

                • “Jeff….. I think what bothers me about you is you look feverishly for what you want to see but you turn a blind eye to everything else.”

                  Really? I can say the same thing about you.

                  “Spielberg did the same thing with his Shoah video, out of 50,000 interviews he chose only the ones 20,000 or so he thought would make his holohoax case…so what happened with all the other ones that said just the opposite of what he wanted to say?”

                  Never seen it. Don’t have the urge.

                  “The HoloHoax has to be taken with ALL the testimony and then gone through to see which ones stand up to heavy scrutiny.
                  You refuse to abide by that rule.”

                  Jim, historians and researchers do that EVERY DAY.
                  What have I said, repeatedly, Jim?
                  I don’t rely on just witness testimony, Jim. I look at the convergence of testimony, plus what the Germans left us. I also include what was found after the war. It is foolish to rely on memory.

                  “You even admitted you don’t listen or read the survivor testimonies, why not? Because you will see a great divergence of truth.”

                  No, the issue is that those Jews can only tell us what the Germans allowed them to see. Or what they saw by accident. That goes with any of the prisoners, not just the Jews, Jim. You have to look at all of it, the documentation, the testimonies, what was found after the war. You dwell on what those Jews say. I look at all of it.

                  “It is painfull to see how most of the testimonies are embarrassing to listen too. Outright fairy tales.”

                  Uh huh.
                  See, Jim, this is the issue I have with YOU.
                  You think dwelling lovingly on the lady who ate and pooped her diamonds DISPROVES the Holocaust. How does this disprove what happened?
                  What about the Sondercommandos who left journals and diaries of their experiences? The ones who lived and talked about the gassings afterwards? What about the Poles who witnessed what happened? What about the SS men who never faced trial and told of their experiences?
                  What about the documents detailing what happened?

                  “So you made you mind up to what version of the holoHoax you want to subscribe to and you run with that.”

                  Did you not read what I wrote before? About my experience with doubt? How I struggled with Holocaust denial after I found what I did on-line?

                  “That is why I don’t get too deeply involved with debate here it’s just a waste of my time….and the same goes for the skeptic site….”

                  It’s because you can’t debate them. They are far smarter than you.

                  “I’ve said plenty, I’ve made hundreds of videos about the topic, read everyday about it, had shows on cable tv etc… so why bother to repeat myself.”

                  Don’t stop now. You do it all the time.

                  “I really don’t care if you or your fellow holohuxsters like my videos or not I said what I feel is the truth. When you get to my age you quit trying to convince those which there is no convincing. Thats why I just put up links ect because I’m not going waste my time, and I don’t have to impress anyone especially HoloHoaxers who refuse to look at both sides, and then complain that, that is my problem. I’m where I am now because I looked at both sides, and won’t waste my time with the crap. i know what info is good and what is bad.”

                  No you don’t. You really don’t know what you are talking about.

                  “By the way….The skeptic site is made up of some poor sad sacks that have no life but love to degrade and insult people I guess it makes them feel important to do so. They must have low self-esteem. Personally I feel sorry for them. Again age seems to relieve me of having to impress anyone. I could be 100% right and they will still find something to complain about.”

                  Then stop posting there. Frankly I find it embarrassing when you do.

                  “The Jews don’t give handshakes to those that criticize them, no matter how well you present your case. You’re either with them 100% or not with them at all.
                  You will find that out when you lower the camp deaths….no matter what the death figure is if it’s not 6 million you out on your ass. Van Pelt got a taste of that.”

                  What are you talking about?

                  “So continue to cherry pick your flavor of the Holohoax you want to promote, you won’t change us truthers here.”

                  Deniers, not truthers.

                  “We have finally put it all together and sleep well at night. If FG can come to the realization that the Holocost is a Hoax then I must be doing something right.”

                  So, in other words….you still don’t know what you are talking about.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 4:29 pm

                • Jeff If FG can come to a knowledge of what the truth is I’m sure you can she’s posted more than anyone about the topic that I know of.
                  Humble yourself…

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 4:36 pm

                • “Jeff If FG can come to a knowledge of what the truth is I’m sure you can she’s posted more than anyone about the topic that I know of.”

                  Posting, like doing videos, is not proof of knowledge.

                  “Humble yourself…”

                  Sorry, I’m too arrogant. That’s what comes from knowledge.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 5:13 pm

                • Proverbs 16:18
                  Pride goes before destruction,
                  a haughty spirit before a fall.

                  You don’t ever want to be a fighter against God.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 5:48 pm

                • “Proverbs 16:18
                  Pride goes before destruction,
                  a haughty spirit before a fall.

                  You don’t ever want to be a fighter against God.”

                  Oh, get over yourself.
                  That crap doesn’t work with me.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 6:56 pm

                • LOL…. many powerful people before you said the same things Jeff and they ended up gone wiped off the face of the Earth never be heard of again, so that’s fine you can say whatever you want. Honestly Jeff I would never want to be in your shoes.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 7, 2016 @ 7:10 pm

                • “Why would a thousands of Holocaust Survivors lie about their experiences in the camp,”

                  What does that have to do with anything?

                  “why would they take the Auschwitz 2,3 morgues and make it into a homicidal gas chamber,”

                  Jim, the Germans blew those buildings up. We know what those buildings were based upon German blue prints, German documents, eyewitness testimony, SS interrogations, diary entries, documents left by the Sondercommando and forensic tests done by the Poles in 1945, 1990 and 1994.
                  So, the Germans turned those buildings into gas chambers.

                  “why would they recreate a building after the war and chip in holes in the roof that weren’t there in the original building and make it look like it was a homicidal gas chamber why, why, why, …”

                  Well, it was a gas chamber, the Germans turned it into an air raid shelter. The Poles and Soviets restored the gas chamber.

                  “pretty simple answer……because there was no Holocaust of millions of Jews”

                  Yet deniers have no logical explanation of where the Germans sent those Jews that they say didn’t die. Let me know when you have real evidence.

                  “and they have to make it look like there was and they will do anything within their power to recreate it, make it. lie about it so Dumbo’s like our Holohucksters here to believe it.
                  I mean really now, killing millions of people with bug spray who would have thought?”

                  Again, it’s really sad when you display your ignorance of the history of the event you want to debunk.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 1:23 pm

                • Thank you, but I’m not sure what that has to with the gas chamber at Dachau.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 1:12 pm

                • You wrote: “I’m not sure what that has to with the gas chamber at Dachau.”

                  There was no gas chamber at Dachau. The Jews were telling lies about the non-existent gas chamber which was a shower room. The American liberators of Dachau believed that the Jews were telling the truth about a gas chamber being in the shower room, so the Americans started killing every German person that they saw in the camp, including the German soldier who had surrendered the camp under a white flag of truce.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 1:21 pm

                • “There was no gas chamber at Dachau. The Jews were telling lies about the non-existent gas chamber which was a shower room. The American liberators of Dachau believed that the Jews were telling the truth about a gas chamber being in the shower room, so the America started killing every German person that they saw in the camp, including the German soldier who had surrendered the camp under a white flag of truce.”

                  No, that atrocity occurred because of what those soldiers found before and after they entered the camp, not because of “Jewish lies.”

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 7, 2016 @ 1:26 pm

                • You wrote: “If you [Jim Rizoli] say it’s [the Dachau gas chamber] a shower prove it.”

                  I wrote about the shower room on this page of my website BEFORE I became a denier.
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history02.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 11:49 am

                • You wrote: “I need to see blue prints, testimony from the SS or engineer who built that room [Dachau shower room], whatever you have.”

                  I have a very large section about the Dachau gas chamber on my web site at
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/Index.html

                  This was written before I became a Holocaust denier.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 11:39 am

                • Doesn’t matter if you wrote about it or not FG, the documents clearly show the roof to be the same. No statements for the rooms ceiling be lowered exist past that is deniers like Leuchter. This claim has no evidence to back it and I have searched every last bit of footage of the Dachau gas chamber and non of the footage shows the wall which the grates are on.

                  As a word of advice I think you should read the Rodoh link provided to you plenty of times.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 2:59 am

                • You wrote: “No statements for the rooms ceiling be lowered exist past that is deniers like Leuchter.”

                  Some day, you might go to see the Dachau memorial site. The first thing that you will see is the area OUTSIDE the Arbeit Macht Frei gate into the camp. You might think “Why was the gas chamber located OUTSIDE the camp?” Was it because the evil Nazis wanted to kill those filthy Jews before they brought their lice into the camp and started an epidemic that would kill everyone in the vicinity? Or was it because they wanted to give the Jews a shower to get rid of their lice before bringing them into the camp?

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 8, 2016 @ 9:16 am

                • FG to get the Holohuxsters to act logically is a lesson in frustration.
                  Up is down and down is up when it comes to the Holohoax.
                  I think they like it that way so to keep people off balance and not really knowing whether they are coming or going.
                  then they blame us….LOL Like we are the ones that got it wrong…ya right, six million Jews killed in fake gas chambers, with fake holes in the roof, with bug spray… that sure seems logical.

                  JR
                  CCFIILE.COM

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 9:22 am

                • “FG to get the Holohuxsters to act logically is a lesson in frustration.
                  Up is down and down is up when it comes to the Holohoax.
                  I think they like it that way so to keep people off balance and not really knowing whether they are coming or going.
                  then they blame us…”

                  Actually, the lesson in frustration is trying to get deniers to see logic.

                  “.LOL Like we are the ones that got it wrong…ya right, six million Jews killed in fake gas chambers, with fake holes in the roof, with bug spray… that sure seems logical.”

                  No, it’s not logical because that is not the way it happened.

                  Damn it, do you even read those shitty books you constantly quote?
                  You are not helping FG’s assertion that you are knowledgeable about the Holocaust.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 8, 2016 @ 10:15 am

                • I think I proved my points quite well…I keep it short and sweet, the Holohuxsters like to make a complicated algorithm out of the simplest thing.
                  Like you did with the Dachau fake gas chamber thread….

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 11:11 am

                • “I think I proved my points quite well…I keep it short and sweet, the Holohuxsters like to make a complicated algorithm out of the simplest thing.
                  Like you did with the Dachau fake gas chamber thread….”

                  Jim Rizoli argument:

                  It’s a fake.

                  Me:

                  Why?

                  Jim Rizoli:

                  It just is.

                  Me:

                  But, that doesn’t make any sense. We have documents, pictures………

                  Jim Rizoli:

                  It’s that way because the Jews lied.

                  Me:

                  But, that doesn’t make any sense.

                  Jim Rizoli:

                  An anti-Semitic comment, followed by bitching about how the Jews mistreated him, followed by meandering about Jewish eyewitness statements.

                  Me:

                  What?

                  Jim Rizoli:

                  A useless cut and paste from Jim’s favorite Holocaust Handbook.

                  Me:

                  What does that have to do with anything?

                  Jim Rizoli:

                  The Jews lied.

                  Did I get all of that right?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 8, 2016 @ 11:19 am

                • I like this quote from one of the legal opinions I came across…..”The holocaust happened because it happened”
                  and that quote is from supposedly intelligent legal folks….LOL

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 11:27 am

              • Jim you should follow this guys example. You know “sticking it to them Jews” directly.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 2:38 pm

  3. “I took the photo above in the undressing room for the Dachau shower room. Holohoaxers now claim that the Dachau shower room was really a gas chamber. If the alleged gas chamber was actually a shower room, the pipe shown in the photo above was probably a water pipe. The pipe shown at the top of the photo is the electrical wiring for the lights in the room.”

    Its not a shower room, there is quite clearly a ventilation Chimney… This is clear proof the the rooms purpose, as well all footage and liberation photos show the ceiling at the height that it is at modern day. What needs to be provided is a single testimony of an american who says they lowered that ceiling. That would give some credit to this claim. As well how exactly in any ways does your photo prove anything FG?

    As well how would lowering the ceiling make it look anymore like a gas chamber?

    “My photograph above shows the electrical wiring on the north wall of the undressing room, which is next to the gas chamber. Below the wiring is a large pipe which comes through the wall from the corridor and enters the gas chamber. The other side of this pipe cannot be seen inside the gas chamber because it enters the room above the 7.6 foot ceiling of the gas chamber. The ceiling of the undressing room is about 10 feet high.”

    Just cause the undressing room is 10 feet high doesn’t mean the gas chamber was that height at one point. This photo is the earliest I could find of the gas chamber and it shows quite clearly the height was the same as it is today.

    And this photo only supports it even more.

    As well why does the shower room need a hose?

    Also from anon’s link the following shows quite clearly what the roof of the gas chambers level was.

    As well this shows the level as well.

    “The text of the display on the undressing room wall describes the undressing room as follows: “Disrobing – This is were (sic) the victims were to leave their clothes before entering the gas chamber disguised as ‘showers.’ Their clothing was to be brought to the disinfecting chambers [in the same building] before the next group [of prisoners] could enter the room.””

    Yes but in Anon’s link It quick clearly shows that the ceiling wasn’t lowered. The estimate of the gas chamber was a rough estimate. This isn’t evidence FG. As well their wear being disinfected proves what?

    “The west wall of the undressing room has a door into the corridor that runs behind all the rooms in the crematorium building, including the gas chamber. This door, which is shown in the photograph above, is locked and visitors are not allowed into the corridor. Although visitors are not allowed into the corridor behind the gas chamber, the display on the undressing room wall has both a photograph and a drawing of the pipes in the corridor. The title of this section is “Operating facilities in the adjacent left corridor.””

    And according to Black rabbit.

    “The argument that the Americans installed a new, lower ceiling, is based entirely on the rough estimate of the ceiling’s height given in the report presented to the U.S. Congress on May 15, 1945: “the ceiling was some 10 feet in height.” It was a shoddy estimate, sure—it’s actually 7 feet 6 inches high, Fred Leuchter measured it in 1989—but it’s remarkable that this small error should even be considered as proof by virtually all the leading revisionists that the ceiling was replaced.

    Below is a photograph of part of the museum sign outside the alleged gas chamber. The attic space immediately above the “gas chamber” is in the foreground, and you can see it’s at a lower elevation than the adjoining room. Please notice the brick work in the wall is different to that below the ceiling level (see image below) despite them being the same wall, this on its own suggests the ceiling is original, as builders often concern themselves less with the aesthetics of the parts of a construction which are out of sight.”

    “The drawing in the display was done in May 1945 by Captain Fribourg, a member of the French Military Mission with the Sixth Army Group, Chemical Warfare. Captain Fribourg did an examination of the gas chamber at Dachau for one day and then wrote a report in which he did not reach any definite conclusion. He was of the opinion that a second visit would be necessary in order to study the system for circulating the gas and he also recommended that the walls be tested, but this was apparently never done.”

    Again black rabbit

    “In addition to that, this facsimile of the original plan for the new crematorium, which I photographed at the Dachau memorial, shows that a section of it (Schnitt C-D) was to have a lower ceiling, and the “gas chamber” is the only ground-floor level room in the crematorium with a low ceiling:”

    “The “push buttons” referred to in the film are shown in the drawing done by Captain Fribourg, but they are gone now. According to the information on the undressing room wall, they were stolen during the postwar years. There were 4 push buttons and 4 sets of light fixture boxes in the gas chamber when the American liberators arrived. However, four of the light fixture boxes now have no lights. According to the film shown at Nuremberg, four of the light fixture boxes were used instead as “gas vents” to put lethal gas into a fake shower room.”

    PS-2430 mentions the flaps.

    Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 6, 2016 @ 8:25 pm

    • You wrote: “Its not a shower room, there is quite clearly a ventilation Chimney… This is clear proof the the rooms purpose, as well all footage and liberation photos show the ceiling at the height that it is at modern day.”

      I used to have mold in my bathroom until I installed a ventilation chimney. I have photos of the roof of the alleged Dachau gas chamber on my website. One old photo shows a vent on the roof of the shower room.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2016 @ 6:27 am

      • I think you mean a fan, but this is a little different from the one at Dachau. Especially when someone looks under the shower heads, they find this.

        Liberators believe the gas came from the showerheads, but the major issue with that is even Bishop Neuhäusler says there were no pipes installed for this room.

        “With the new crematorium a gas chamber was also connected. The whole construction of the crematorium with its gas chamber was completed in 1943. It contained an ‘undressing room’, a ‘shower bath’, and a ‘mortuary’. The showers were metal traps which had *no pipelines for a supply of poisonous gas.* This gas chamber was never set in action in Dachau. Only the dead were brought to the crematorium for ‘burning’, no living for ‘gassing’.”
        (Neuhäusler, Dr. Johannes, Auxiliary Bishop of Munich, op. cit., p. 15.)

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 7, 2016 @ 1:54 pm

  4. They seem to always confused fumigation Chambers with gas Chambers and that’s where the problem lies nothing you can do about it people don’t do enough research to see the difference between them.
    I even heard of one video a woman say the crematorium with a gas Chambers.
    So this is what we have to deal with we have some real crazy people out there that don’t know what’s going on and don’t care to know.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — July 6, 2016 @ 7:40 pm

    • You wrote: “They seem to always confused fumigation Chambers with gas Chambers and that’s where the problem lies nothing you can do about it people don’t do enough research to see the difference between them.”

      I’m from Missouri, the Show Me state. I am one of the few people who has actually seen a real gas chamber in Jefferson City, MO. So I knew right away that the so-called gas chamber at Dachau was not a gas chamber.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2016 @ 7:59 pm

    • No one ever confused them Jim.

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 6, 2016 @ 8:00 pm


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