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July 8, 2016

Eye witness descriptions of the Dachau gas chamber

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 12:38 pm
Baracke X where the Dachau gas chamber is located

Baracke X is the building where the alleged Dachau gas chamber was located

Dachau gas chamber

Wall of Dachau gas chamber has two openings to the outside through which gas pellets were allegedly poured into the chamber

Close-up of one of the wall openings

Close-up of one of the wall openings

Visitors to Dachau enter the Baracke X building, shown in the first photo above, through a door on the south side of the building, and proceed through the waiting room, and then into the undressing room before entering the gas chamber. On the wall of the undressing room is a sign which tells visitors the following:

Begin quote from the sign

Gas Chamber

This is the center of potential mass murder. The room was disguised as “showers” and equipped with fake shower spouts to mislead the victims and prevent them from refusing to enter the room. During a period of 15 to 20 minutes up to 150 at a time could be suffocated to death through prussic acid poison gas (Zyklon B).

End quote from the sign

The second photo above shows three empty holes on the ceiling of the alleged gas chamber, where shower heads had been before they were stolen by tourists as souvenirs. Just below the ceiling of the Dachau gas chamber are two light fixture boxes [not shown], which were claimed, in a film shown at the Nuremberg IMT, to be the “top vents” for introducing the poison gas into the gas chamber.

Information given to tourists about the gas chamber at Dachau varies according to the person who is guiding the tour. Some guides tell visitors that the gas chamber was never used, while others maintain that the gas chamber was used a few times. If the gas chamber was never used, why was it built? Some of the guides say that it was used to train SS men in how to use a gas chamber.

A recent visitor who took a tour of Dachau wrote the following on her blog:

Begin quote from blog post:

Interestingly enough, Dachau was never considered an extermination camp. Hitler made sure that none of these camps resided in Germany. He wanted them to be in the countries that he occupied so it would be easier to transport the foreign people to them. So, knowing this, many wonder why Dachau had a gas chamber in it. The most popular theory is that since Dachau was one of the first concentration camps, it acted as a model for others. When Germans were trained to work in concentration camps, they were trained to use gas chambers, and some were trained at Dachau.

Some guides say that the gas came through fake shower heads, but others tell visitors that gas pellets were poured onto the floor through the two screened openings on the east wall of the gas chamber.

All but one of the shower heads has been stolen by visitors as souvenirs and at least one guide tells tourists that the gas pellets were dropped through the holes in the ceiling. Three of the holes for the shower heads are shown in the second photo above.

Although anyone can look up into the holes where the shower heads used to be and see that there are no pipes of any kind there, one tour guide told a visitor on September 24, 2008 that there were special plumbing pipes that brought the gas through the shower heads. It has been known for at least sixty years that the Zyklon-B gas that was allegedly used at Dachau was in the form of pellets the size of peas, and could not have come through the small holes in the shower heads.

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  1. “Gas Chamber – This is the center of potential mass murder.”

    Potential mass murder but certain laughter…😉

    Comment by hermie — July 10, 2016 @ 8:06 am

  2. I also love how FG didn’t provide any testimonial in this at all. Here are two testimonials both from Mazal’s writing which speak of gassings.

    “Next morning when I went to wash, there was a little man with a ginger moustache in the lavatory who introduced himself as Dr. Rascher saying that he was half English and that his mother was related to the Chamberlain family. When I told him my name he was much interested saying that he knew about my case and that he had also met Stevens [another of the British officers – HWM] when he was medical officer in Dachau. … He was a queer fellow; possibly the queerest character which has ever come my way.

    Almost at our first meeting he told me that he had belonged to Himmler’s personal staff, and that it was he who had planned and supervised the construction of the gas chambers and was responsible for the use of prisoners as guinea pigs in medical research. Obviously he saw nothing wrong in this and considered it merely a matter of expediency. As regards the gas chambers he said that Himmler, a very kind-hearted man, was most anxious that prisoners should be exterminated in a manner which caused them least anxiety and suffering, and the greatest trouble had been taken to design a gas chamber so camouflaged that its purpose would not be apparent, and to regulate the flow of the lethal gas so that the patients might fall asleep without recognizing that they would never wake. Unfortunately, Rascher said, they had never quite succeeded in solving the problem caused by the varying resistance of different people to the effects of poison gases, and always there had been a few who lived longer than others and recognized where they were and what was happening. Rascher said that the main difficulty was that the numbers to be killed were so great that it was impossible to prevent the gas chambers being overfilled, which greatly impeded any attempts to ensure a regular and simultaneous death-rate.”

    “Up until the year 1942, a small crematory performed the services with two ovens. A bigger crematorium was built 1942 with four ovens and was equipped with four gas chambers. The whole construction was executed by mason-apprentices with many Polish priests under them. The hearths of the ovens were sufficiently large that four corpses would fit at one time. […] I often heard told that prisoners who were still alive were put into the crematory oven. In the year 1942 or 1943 a detachment of Jews was conspicuously ‘put away’ to the crematorium and none came back. What happened with them we could only suspect. I didn’t learn of more specific details.”

    Mind that the 2nd one is based of 2nd hand testimonial so it doesn’t mean that it is accurate when it come to the cremation of bodies.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20131005020202/http://holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/

    Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 11:14 pm

  3. Okay,i thought it was “2,000”,at a time they could gas. This only says 150. Why so many windows ? Why the extra security (heavy duty bars) on them ? They might break them and jump out? Raise the windows up a bit higher. Someone wants to bitch about not being able to see in? Tell em to get a crate to stand on. What about the tourist that were boosting shower heads. They arrest a couple high school kids,on a field trip for trying to lift some shit,but nobody saw anyone lifting the shower heads? Something like that would take awhile to steal. How come nobody saw that ?

    Comment by Tim — July 8, 2016 @ 4:23 pm

    • Depends on the camp and it depends on the gas chamber.

      The 2000 number is generally only for Krema 2 and 3.

      Dachaus gas chamber is a different case.

      At Treblinka there were 13 gas chambers. Each held around 200 people.

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 5:12 pm

  4. Dachau fake Gas Chamber
    Dissecting The Holocaust by Germar Rudolf
    P.39

    10. What Material Evidence Can Reveal
    Time and again, the Federal German justice system, and hard on its heels historiography, concluded that the National Socialists had covered up the evidence of their crime so well that no clues remained to be found today: all gas chambers and gas vans were destroyed, mass graves dug up, the
    bodies contained therein burned and no traces left, and evidence of the graves was destroyed by fillng-in and landscaping.
    But is it really conceivable for a number of people almost twice the population of Berlin to vanish from the face of the earth without leaving a trace?
    Some of the alleged gas chambers in, for example, the concentration camps of the original Reich
    (borders of December 31, 1937), Austria, and Alsace are in fact still in fairly good condition where on-site investigations could be performed. Few people know, for instance, that the dispute regarding
    the existence of the gas chamber at Dachau could be resolved easily enough if someone mustered
    up the courage to use an induction locator to find the water pipes in the ceiling of the alleged gas
    chamber which to this day could supply the showerheads installed in the ceiling with hot water if
    the water boiler was once again activated.This conclusion is a logical necessity, for if the room
    described as a gas chamber really was one, then there would have been no shower installed for the
    inmates in this disinfestation complex with its many delousing chambers for material objects. But it
    has been proved that there certainly was a shower there, since this was where many thousands of inmates were deloused and showered. So, Dachau’s gas chamber is nothing other than exactly what
    it seems to be: a shower room.

    Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 1:14 pm

    • Except there is no piping Jim…. This has been explained.

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 1:29 pm

    • I again bring this quote up.

      “With the new crematorium a gas chamber was also connected. The whole construction of the crematorium with its gas chamber was completed in 1943. It contained an ‘undressing room’, a ‘shower bath’, and a ‘mortuary’. The showers were metal traps which had no pipelines for a supply of poisonous gas. This gas chamber was never set in action in Dachau. Only the dead were brought to the crematorium for ‘burning’, no living for ‘gassing'”

      NO PIPING. Its said quite clearly.

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 3:23 pm

  5. Have you ignored everything I have told you FG? Cause it seems your responses are clearly only from posts you make. I have explained documentation says that somewhere in Dachau animals were gassed and Mazal states quite clearly this is the only room in which it could be done.

    Bishop Neuhäusler clearly states that your Piping never existed.

    “With the new crematorium a gas chamber was also connected. The whole construction of the crematorium with its gas chamber was completed in 1943. It contained an ‘undressing room’, a ‘shower bath’, and a ‘mortuary’. The showers were metal traps which had *no pipelines* for a supply of poisonous gas. This gas chamber was never set in action in Dachau. Only the dead were brought to the crematorium for ‘burning’, no living for ‘gassing’.”

    As well there is nothing that the showerhead’s to connect with. As well if we look at what under the showerhead we find no spot in which we would expect water to come from.

    D-H (Anon) already explained the issue of eyewitnesses. The wooden screen was up and blocked peoples view, so there is no way they would have been able to tell how these chambers operated unless they worked in the Crematorium. Even then the workers may not have understood how the gas chamber worked.

    Joel Sack, a Polish engineer, who visited the homicidal chamber not long after liberation wrote the following in a report:

    “Outside, there was still a plentiful supply of cans with the Zyclon-B [sic] poison. The cans bore the name of the manufacturer, A.E.G. [sic] FARBEN INDUSTRIE

    To the outside of the gas chamber door were attached forms for keeping records:

    Gasheit, Time of gassing. Zu, Close . . . Uhr, Time …

    Auf, Finish . . . Uhr, Time . . .

    Below that was the sign of a skull with two cross bones and a warning:

    Vorsicht, Careful . . . G A S

    Lebensgefahr, Danger to Life

    Nicht Offenen, Do Not Open”
    (Sack, Joel, Dawn After Dachau, 1990, Shengold Publishers, Inc. (New York), 1990, ISBN 0-88400-141-5, pp. 44-45.)

    Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 1:09 pm

    • You wrote: “somewhere in Dachau animals were gassed and Mazal states quite clearly this is the only room in which it could be done.”

      Sorry, I don’t consider Mazel to be a good source for anything. I wrote about him in this blog post:
      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/the-late-harry-w-mazel-is-back-in-the-news/

      Comment by furtherglory — July 8, 2016 @ 1:22 pm

      • FG, there is no other room which the document could refer to unless you want to start implying disinfection chambers were used to also gas people. A major issue which stands in your logic for calling this room a shower room is the lack of evidence for this assertion.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 1:27 pm

      • As well, Mazal’s essay puts every issue you present to rest. He is a gold standard.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 1:51 pm

        • You wrote: “As well, Mazal’s essay puts every issue you present to rest. He is a gold standard.”

          You believe Mazal, but I don’t. I believe Fred Leuchter. For example this blog post:
          https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/the-mystery-of-the-small-opening-on-the-outside-wall-of-the-dachau-gas-chamber/

          Comment by furtherglory — July 8, 2016 @ 2:09 pm

          • Except Fred is easy to refute on Dachau….

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 2:10 pm

          • It also seems Blake has explained this to you already.

            “To correct your mistakes in this article:

            “drawing fresh air through a small hatchway located above the bins” is referring to the previous clause “sending the poisonous fumes into the atmosphere[sic]” (atmosphere in the room of course, not airing out as you conclude – although it could be used for that as well I suppose). There are 2 vents in the ceiling you know.”

            -blake121666

            https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/the-mystery-of-the-small-opening-on-the-outside-wall-of-the-dachau-gas-chamber/

            And Here I will use the exact same reasoning that you have used to explain the cement(?) trail that follows from that hole. Its the channel the air intake goes through.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 2:29 pm

            • You wrore: “It also seems Blake has explained this to you already.

              “To correct your mistakes in this article:

              “drawing fresh air through a small hatchway located above the bins” is referring to the previous clause “sending the poisonous fumes into the atmosphere[sic]” (atmosphere in the room of course, not airing out as you conclude – although it could be used for that as well I suppose). There are 2 vents in the ceiling you know.”

              -blake121666”

              You and blake are both missing the point about the “small hatchway above the bins.”

              There is no corresponding hole inside the alleged gas chamber. It seems that someone started to make a hole in the outside wall of the alleged gas chamber, but never finished the job. I have visited the former Dachau camp on 3 separate trips to Germany. I have never seen or heard any explanation of this wooden cover over an alleged hole.

              Comment by furtherglory — July 8, 2016 @ 2:48 pm

              • FG….I guess that you being there seeing what was going on with the holes or no holes is being dismissed as that’s not possible. So I guess your not going to win on this one you actually saw what was going on there but they don’t want to believe you and that is how the Holohucksters get there way. You presented them facts…. they don’t like the facts especially if they don’t line up with their Holohoax View. They want to get to pick and choose what they want to use and whatever is right that proves the revisionist side of things they throw out if there is anything that proves their Holohoax version no matter how stupid or unscientific or ridiculous or nonsensical they believe wholeheartedly.
                We’re definitely dealing with a bunch of Knuckleheads here.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 3:01 pm

                • but Jim, the bins are clearly there for you to see. Tell me, do you see a Bin here?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 3:21 pm

                • So prey tell how do the bins work?
                  Please explain logically without the usual hocus pocus.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 3:47 pm

                • You already know how they worked.

                  “The only possible explanation for these bins is that they were designed to receive the granules of Zyklon-B (or some other lethal volatile poison) from a small tin. The person in charge of a homicidal gassing need only don a gas mask, open the two bins, and dump part of a small tin of Zyklon-B into each one. Having done this, the operator would close the bins, which are protected from interference from the victims by a protective grating, and wait a few minutes until all the victims were dead. At this point, the powerful mechanical extractor could be energized sending the poisonous fumes into the atmosphere, drawing fresh air through a small hatchway located above the bins. The bodies could then be moved into the mortuary chamber to await incineration in the adjoining crematory furnaces.

                  The question arises of the difference between the method of dispensing of Zyklon-B to the disinfestation chambers and to the extermination chamber. Quite simply: the exposure time and concentration of hydrogen cyanide gas for killing insects is considerably higher than that which is needed to kill humans. According to the manufacturers of the product, it only requires 0.3 grams per cubic meter to kill human beings, whereas concentrations of up to 10 grams per cubic meter were routinely employed to destroy insects. The relative ease with which it is possible to kill humans with low concentrations of hydrogen cyanide makes it simpler and less expensive to use the drawer-like bins in the homicidal chamber rather than to use the costly Degesch dispensers. Additionally, the bins would allow for other volatile poisons to be employed as suggested by Rascher in his letter to Himmler. ”

                  https://web.archive.org/web/20131005020202/http://holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 3:55 pm

                • Not bad if i didn’t know what I know now I would probably fall for it….
                  So where is this being done?
                  Looks like a staged scene to me but what do i know….

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 4:01 pm

                • “Not bad if i didn’t know what I know now I would probably fall for it….”

                  You hardly know anything Jim, the Bins were there at liberation… there is no argument.

                  “So where is this being done?”

                  Behind the wooden screen.

                  “Looks like a staged scene to me but what do i know….”

                  Its called a model… You ever hear of one? Its a photograph from the California museum. I am showing it cause you don’t really understand things and thought you may be a visual learner.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 6:20 pm

                • No camp no case….. if you can’t show me a picture of what that picture was based on or what camp that was in and you’re just spinning your wheels here with Lies.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 7:26 pm

                • I have shown you plenty of photos, and its operation is quite clear. The room is clearly not a shower room and your basing your entire opinion based only on childish games. The thing is completely based on the know operation of the bins.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 7:32 pm

                • You must really think we’re stupid to accept that they were bins on a building that we don’t know what building they were on. And even if you are right about the binds show me how they work.
                  Back to the drawing board…

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 8:02 pm

                • “You must really think we’re stupid to accept that they were bins on a building that we don’t know what building they were on.”

                  What? Jim… This is completely retarded… Everyone know what building they were on. I never claimed them to be on any other building ether.

                  Same old crematorium as always.

                  “And even if you are right about the binds show me how they work.”

                  How do the blinds show you how they work Jim? The Wooden Blind clearly shows intent to hide something.

                  “Back to the drawing board…”

                  Its a model Jim, it wasn’t proselyted as evidence by me.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 8:08 pm

                • “And even if you are right about the binds”…… What the shit are “binds”?

                  Comment by Tim — July 9, 2016 @ 8:11 am

                • ““And even if you are right about the binds”…… What the shit are “binds”?”

                  Basically anything set up to block someone who spotting something. Its a term that I believe originally was used to refer to window blinds. Then also transferred over to that of a fence as well.

                  This is an example of it…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 4:29 pm

                • Okay. Gotcha

                  Comment by Tm — July 10, 2016 @ 10:48 am

                • I think the Holohucksters have blinds over their eyes.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 10:56 am

                • Never mind it look like I have a the wrong location. Of where the model is. Here it is from another view though.

                  http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/richmond.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/56/856ba9d0-56a5-11e2-ab55-001a4bcf6878/50e72e6041ea3.image.jpg?resize=760%2C506

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 6:24 pm

                • Is that an effigy of a German soldier dumping the gas pellets? At least the person that made this model,realized the soldier needed a mask. One part that bothers me though. I thought the gas was dumped in through the roof. In this depiction,the soldier is clearly dumping this in an opening through a vertical mounted door

                  Comment by Tim — July 9, 2016 @ 8:07 am

                • Depends on the gas chamber Tim. Krema 4 & 5 used holes in its sides. Some sources say it used similar flaps to Dachau but the evidence points against this claim. They used a system like this.

                  Mind though that the gas mask wasn’t required. It was more so just a step that shows precaution.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 4:24 pm

                • I gotta disagree with you on the gas mask. It would’ve been required. I don’t care what anyone says. It’s not gonna be a step to show “precaution”. It’s gonna be a necessity . Mess around with a chemical that deadly and you think you can relax,that’s when people start to get hurt. You develop a careless attitude . Keeping the gas mask handy is just showing respect for what the chemical is capable of doing. They exposed us to tear gas in basic. That shit ain’t gonna kill ya,you’ll just wish you were dead,due to the adverse effect it has on you. We were taught to respect it. I’m sure the troops were taught to respect zyklon

                  Comment by Tim — July 13, 2016 @ 7:28 am

                • Aka by wrong location I mean by the Museum with the display. This display is at a Virginia museum.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 6:25 pm

                • Click wrote: “but Jim, the bins are clearly there for you to see. Tell me, do you see a Bin here?”

                  Why didn’t the Allies film those bins for their propaganda movie about the Dachau ‘gas chamber’? What’s the point of filming a ‘gas chamber’ without filming the devices allegedly used to insert poison gas into that room? Dumb and nonsensical…

                  And such bins would have been a terrible device for the insertion of pellets of Zyklon-B because there was no means to retrieve the pellets after a gassing. With such bins, the Germans would have been compelled to wait for hours and hours before being able to vent the room effectively and retrieve the ’empty’ pellets of Zyklon-B. Dumb alleged weapon of mass murder…

                  Comment by hermie — July 10, 2016 @ 8:02 am

                • The bins thingy has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on this topic on how they say the zyklon-b was inserted into the gas Chambers. How come I don’t see these bins being talked about before…. all the sudden now they are an issue… they changed the story again. The bin doesn’t open up to the floor what’s the point of having a bin you put something in it so it stays in it when you put it into the room it holds what’s in it….. maybe they were used for something else may be delivering the paper or .flowers.
                  I mean think about it they put theZB pellets in it and it’s going to be at a level where people can grab them….who’s going to stop the people from grabbing the pellets and throwing it in the corner of the room. This is so laughable I can’t even believe somebody could even make a claim like that and then on top of it click show s me that fake picture made picture with a guy in front of a cement wall please show me where that wall was because I don’t see in any other camp pictures…most of these buildings were brick.
                  So the question that comes up now in my mind is what were those bins used for if they were really there in the beginning.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 8:54 am

                • You wrote: “what were those bins [at Dachau] used for if they were really there in the beginning.”

                  I have a photo of the bins on this page of my website:
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history.html

                  The first time that I saw these bins, I said to myself: “No, no, no!!!” This is not German construction. At that time, the Dachau Memorial Site was claiming that no one was gassed in the shower room at Dachau. All that has changed now. If I ever go back to Germany again, I will probably be arrested and thrown into prison for being a Holocaust denier.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2016 @ 9:05 am

                • I thought they dumped the shit in,through the ceiling

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 10:05 am

                • Tim I already mention that the story keeps changing so now they put the ZB in the bins which again that’s new to me how they would work is beyond comprehension because they would be at Arms level to the people in the room I’m sure they could pull the pellets out and throw them in the corner away from them….so again this makes no sense at all typical Holohucksters crap.
                  I just want click and those presenting this nonsensical view to show me how it works they never ever can show me how what they say Works they only say it works but they never prove that It can work. If you want to prove to me that your car can fly and show me it can.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 10:17 am

                • If they would stick to the ceiling,I could buy into that one. The distance the pellets travel from the ceiling to the floor,is gonna be much greater,that from a bin to the floor. Clearly the bin is not that high off the floor,so when the pellets hit the floor,they ain’t gonna scatter as much as they would if you dump them through the ceiling

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 10:25 am

                • Either from the bins or the ceiling it really doesn’t matter because these ZB pellets would scattered in the right room p by the people themselves by kicking them grabbing them throwing them somewhere else it makes no sense either way.
                  It’s pretty simple we can put this all to rest if they just do a mock gassing either way and we’ll find if out if it can happen.
                  The reason why they don’t want to do a mock gassig is because they already know it wouldn’t work and it would break the HoloHoax case wide open if that got out. Again think about it, who will gain if they do a mock gassing and who would lose.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 10:32 am

                • That’s why I’m trying to find out how much thought went into the design process. I mean they should’ve come up with one design that would be the standard throughout all the prisons. I mean if something’s not broke,don’t fix it. It seems to me there should’ve been one master set of blueprints . I don’t care if it’s a lipstick holder,a Bic Mac container or a Box that holds cigars. It’s going to go on paper to start with. That’s how the draftsman communicates,with the people who bring these objects into the real world. Even if the master blueprints were destroyed,there’ll probably still be a lot of copies from the original somewhere . They’re gonna want all the buildings to be uniform in size. So everyone that’s putting these buildings is gonna have to be looking at what the other guy is looking at. Shit,blueprints for a gas house would give a prosecutor the hardon from hell. Something like that would go a long way proving intent. He’d love that shit. So,they show pics at the trials of these gas houses. How is anyone gonna know that was their original intent ? Pull out the blueprints and it will be a positive ID one way or another

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 12:24 pm

                • You wrote: “Shit,blueprints for a gas house would give a prosecutor the hardon from hell. Something like that would go a long way proving intent. He’d love that shit. So,they show pics at the trials of these gas houses. How is anyone gonna know that was their original intent ? Pull out the blueprints and it will be a positive ID one way or another”

                  According to the drawings done by Walter Dejaco, one of the architects of the Krema II building, the original blueprint showed a corpse slide for rolling bodies down into the vestibule between the two morgues, which were later converted into an undressing room and a gas chamber. The corpse slide was never built. Dejaco was acquitted by a court in Austria in 1972; at his trial, the drawings of the corpse slide were entered as evidence. (The morgue at the Sachsenhausen camp has a corpse slide which can still be seen today.)

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2016 @ 12:54 pm

                • Well I asked,cause I’ve never heard anyone bring it up before. If there were gas houses,I’m sure there would be blueprints to prove it. I wouldn’t try and win a case on that alone . You need to find a criminal defense attorney and a prosecuting attorney . Have them sit in on the discussions every now and again. Tell them to put the different topics on here,under the microscope that deals with criminal law. I’m saying that,cause most everyone here ,gets down to the real fine details. Attorneys love nit picking shit

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 5:05 pm

                • You wrote: “If there were gas houses,I’m sure there would be blueprints to prove it.”

                  I don’t know of any blueprints of a gas chamber or a gas house. I don’t think that a gas chamber needs a blueprint. It is just a room with holes in the roof to pour in the gas. The holes were put in AFTER the gas chamber was built.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2016 @ 6:29 pm

                • Yesterday you mentioned some ol boy named Walt Dejaco. You said he was one of the architects of the Krema 2 building. You said something about a ,”blueprint”,for the original building . You made mention of a ,”corpse slide ( whatever that is). So there you said blueprints do exist. So where did these prints end up at? That had to have survived the war. You said they used them at dejaco’s in 72. So where did the prints end up at?

                  Comment by Tim — July 11, 2016 @ 6:35 am

                • I find it interesting that Click can’t show me where the picture of the the man standing in front of the metal bin on the side of the building was taken.
                  Why is that….How this….. the picture is a fake….
                  The Holohoax story has to continue to evolve as the Holohoax lies continue to crumble….Don’t like that lie we have another for you.
                  Thats why I don’t spend a lot of time reading all the propaganda HoloHuxsters literature because what they say changes pretty quick.
                  The only thing that should change is the latest truths being rapidly being brought out by the Revisionists.
                  So the Revisionist poke a hole in the holohuxster arguments and they go back to the drawing board to conjure up more lies.
                  Of course we do appreciate their humor in what they present because most of it is pretty funny in a dumb sort of way.
                  Maybe they can explain how they piled bodies 30 ft high in the Treblinka camp and burned them to ashes on open flame firers.
                  That is one mean hibachi, where can I buy one….Try burning a leg of lamb to ashes on your grill and see how long it takes….yet they managed to burn 850,000 or even more bodies this way after they dug them all up….yikes how long did it take to dig them up??
                  Oh did I mention the pile of inmate clothing 120 ft high that they say could be see for miles around, I didn’t know the Germans had cranes that could go up that high………Sorta like the tower of Babel but made of clothes…….LOL
                  Oh thats right the walked up to the top of the clothes mountain…yup this is eyewitness testimony who I think were on crack at the time.
                  But the knucklehead goyim believe these stories because they read it in a book somewhere. Thank goodness for books what would the Chosen ones do without them.
                  They wouldn’t have a paper trail to their crazy stories thats what.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 1:06 pm

                • You wrote: “I just want click and those presenting this nonsensical view to show me how it works they never ever can show me how what they say Works they only say it works but they never prove that It can work.”

                  I wrote about the wooden structure in front of the alleged Dachau gas chamber on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/07/16/wooden-enclosure-found-at-dachau-baracke-x-by-american-liberators/

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2016 @ 10:51 am

              • Who’s to say it doesn’t somehow has a connection through the ceiling. Your ideas so far are based on speculation and are arguably botched.

                Its just as bad as Thomas Dalton. Black Rabbit Clearly found that the Bins were behind the wooden Blind.

                There is no argument to your altercation and its quite easy to understand that if this crack was there then the bins were there! If the Bins were there, then this was a gas chamber. If this was a gas chamber then your entire claim of a shower room is put to rest.

                If this is the gas chamber then we know quite clearly it was used.

                https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=57518#p57518

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 3:14 pm

      • Okay just for the sake of argument let’s say animals were gassed in Dachau what does that have to do with humans? Yikes! You sure are stretching for the stars on this one.
        This discussion gets sillier and sillier as it goes on.
        Next people will be presenting their pets as evidence of gassing.

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 2:41 pm

        • Behold Jim, an explanation in the shape of a document clearly requesting to gas people inside the gas chamber.

          “Dr. Sigmund Rascher

          Munich

          Togerstr. 56

          August 9, 1942

          Esteemed Reichsführer!

          As you know, the same installation as in Linz is to be built in Dachau. As the ‘invalid transports’ terminate in the special chambers anyway I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway. The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases.

          (signed)

          S. Rascher”

          “test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway.”

          Now tell me what does this cut out portion mean Jim? There is no relying anyone on your handbooks, this letter clearly states three major things.

          1) There was a Gas chamber in Dachau created solely for homicidal purposes.

          2) Animals were gassed in this room.

          3) It requests to gas humans in this room.

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

          • “2) Animals were gassed in this room.

            3) It requests to gas humans in this room.”

            Adding corrections just so something is made clear. This two apply to only the chamber at Linz. Experimental gassing’s are supported via a book.

            “Next morning when I went to wash, there was a little man with a ginger moustache in the lavatory who introduced himself as Dr. Rascher saying that he was half English and that his mother was related to the Chamberlain family. When I told him my name he was much interested saying that he knew about my case and that he had also met Stevens [another of the British officers – HWM] when he was medical officer in Dachau. … He was a queer fellow; possibly the queerest character which has ever come my way.

            Almost at our first meeting he told me that he had belonged to Himmler’s personal staff, and that it was he who had planned and supervised the construction of the gas chambers and was responsible for the use of prisoners as guinea pigs in medical research. Obviously he saw nothing wrong in this and considered it merely a matter of expediency. As regards the gas chambers he said that Himmler, a very kind-hearted man, was most anxious that prisoners should be exterminated in a manner which caused them least anxiety and suffering, and the greatest trouble had been taken to design a gas chamber so camouflaged that its purpose would not be apparent, and to regulate the flow of the lethal gas so that the patients might fall asleep without recognizing that they would never wake. Unfortunately, Rascher said, they had never quite succeeded in solving the problem caused by the varying resistance of different people to the effects of poison gases, and always there had been a few who lived longer than others and recognized where they were and what was happening. Rascher said that the main difficulty was that the numbers to be killed were so great that it was impossible to prevent the gas chambers being overfilled, which greatly impeded any attempts to ensure a regular and simultaneous death-rate.”
            https://web.archive.org/web/20131005020202/http://holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/

            Dr. Sigmund Rascher’s letter only shows that a gas chamber existed at Dachau, not of its direct usage.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 3:33 pm

          • Nope ends up my correction here was unneeded. The usage was correct.

            As you know, the same installation as in Linz [Austria] is to be built in Dachau. As the ‘invalid transports’ terminate in the special chambers [in Linz] anyway I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers [in Dachau] using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway. The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 3:48 pm

            • LOL….like i can read that.
              I think it says going out of business sale for all HoloHoax books.
              Get them while they are hot.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 3:52 pm

              • Um, no it doesn’t. But thanks for admitting you cannot read. “…like i can read…”

                And yes I do understand its a quote mine. I just think its funny.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 3:57 pm

    • Miss Click. This is one question I’ve been trying to get answered. I’ve mentioned before what kind of AIT did the soldiers get,that ran the gas houses. I asked if they used animals to show the soldiers just how deadly this chemical was. Is this why they gassed the animals? To show the rookie gas house operators,that this chemical was nothing to play around with.

      Comment by Tim — July 8, 2016 @ 4:29 pm

      • According the letter this seems a possibility.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 4:30 pm

      • Also mind it doesn’t take much experience to know how to pour Zyklon pellets down a hole.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 4:33 pm

        • Yes mam,I understand that perfectly,but this shit will destroy your world in no time. I’ve said before,we were run through a gas chamber in basic. Instructor stepped in front of each individual. You pulled your mask off. Name,rank and serial #. Then we got to go outside and start hurling our guts out and cry like babies. Zyklon is clearly a one way ticket. I understand,Larry,Moe and Curly could dump this shit. Nothing to it,but your still gonna have to train people how to do this job. Hell. If there’s one place Mr. Murphy (Murphy’s Law) is gonna show up,it’s gonna be there. Wether you like the nazi war machine or not,they weren’t slouches when it came to training their soldiers. You gotta admit that. So I’m guessing they used animals to show how effective the gas may,or may not have been

          Comment by Tim — July 8, 2016 @ 4:49 pm

          • Sure, it can kill you in no time, but this is exactly why the person inserting the gas was were a GAS MASK. The steps are very basic and the gas doesn’t start releasing quickly until heat is enacted onto, which this heat source could be human body heat in a contained room. The thing about Zyklon is it being in an outside environment would be a diluted environment. So the user wouldn’t be at less of a risk. As well the grate clearly would prevent any prisoners from putting the man inserting the gas at issue.

            Quite clearly based off from the letter they had gassing experiments with Animals. This would be ether first hand or oral experience. Ether way there would be someone there to explain the process.

            As well mind that people do ask take in cyanide often. And just a short time of exposure isn’t going to cause private Johnson to pass out in one second. This gas is a slow release and would be rather safe for the person whom was inserting the gas. Especially inside an outside environment and I’m sure the doctors understood the characteristics of Hydrogen Cyanide and explained the dangers to their SS guards.

            Also this training could basically just be a manual. With three pictures.

            It’s not very complicated and it’s something an average person could just learn from oral testimony.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 5:03 pm

            • *Wearing

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 5:13 pm

            • I understand all that. My point is,it’s still a highly toxic compound. I’ll put it like this. Some years back,a fellow cattleman accidentally injected himself,when he was giving his calves,their first round of shots. He ended up dead. Doesn’t always happen,but it can. He put the needle in his jacket pocket while he was adjusting the chute. The needle was exposed. Clearly he was being wreckless. I don’t remember which company. Pfizer or Ft. Dodge Pharmacueticals. I was looking for better prices on vaccines. One of those companies had an entire section on safe handling for cattle vaccines. Clearly zyklon and cattle vacs are 2 different things. Bottom line one is deadly,the other has the potential to be. If the pharmacy company is gonna devote an entire section on handling vaccines,then I’m sure the handling of zyklon is gonna go further . I’m still not gonna accept this was OJT. If you’re gonna train people to use a deadly chemical,you’re gonna do it in a controlled environment . Like I said,we spent damn near an entire day learning about tear gas and being exposed to it. In order for people to safely and properly use this,they’re gonna have to be taught in a controlled environment . You’re not gonna give someone a handout to read and then pair them up with a veteran gas hut operator. I’m looking at this from a military perspective . I don’t care if it’s jackass flats,Utah . If they got a military everyone is gonna get AIT for their specialty. You could give someone a handout on an M16. They ain’t that hard to use. Point and pull the trigger. They don’t do that. You spend time on the range. I’m sure there would be enough confusion at a gas house for a cherry. If he’s not been trained before he gets to whatever prison it was he was stationed at,shit could go really bad for him with all the confusion. I’m not trying to use this to prove or not prove,what may or may not have happened. I’m tying to find out what kind of training the military personal may or may not have gotten for this MOS.

              Comment by Tim — July 9, 2016 @ 9:37 am

              • Its Highly toxic, but it releases slowly… these sorts of issues wouldn’t really show up. Generally with such issues were countered with water, as HCN is easily removed (at times) by water considering its residue is prone to sorts of acidic environments.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 4:32 pm

                • If HCN (ZB) releases slowly how could Holohuxsters say people were killed in minutes?
                  The release rate is 10% per hour do you understand that what you say is against all the Holohuxster eyewitnesses?
                  So that would mean you could kill 2500 on a 10% offgassing of HCN (ZB) IMOSSSIBLE! Ain’t gonna happen….LOL
                  They holohuxsters got themselves over a barrel here because slow HCN off gassing means longer
                  killing times, and they didn’t have a lot of time to accomplish the deadly deed according to what the Holohuxster eyewitnesses said.
                  Remember from 5 to 20 minutes was the short times that were quoted on hold long the killing took to happen.
                  The shorter the ZB offgassing dertimined by temperature by the way…on the short time end would mean there wasn’t enough time to let the ZB work, 10% capacity…..to kill all those people. I highly doubt it. Of course the Holohuxsters say you needed less ZB to kill humans….LOL
                  So the Germans would waste 90% of an expensive product to use 10% of it….LOL Too costly and a waste of money wouldn’t you say?
                  Are the Germans that stupid to waste 90% of a product to do that….. Don’t think so.
                  Which is it? Please give me the latest update on what they (HoloHuxsters) say NOW happened 2016 version, it changes every year it seems.
                  Click….are you going to tiptoe around this one also……simple questions with simple answers…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 4:49 pm

                • “If HCN (ZB) releases slowly how could Holohuxsters say people were killed in minutes?”

                  Explained this plenty of times Jim… ZYKLON RELEASES FASTER UNDER CONDITIONS OF HEAT. Under heat conditions it evaporates into the air faster.

                  “The release rate is 10% per hour do you understand that what you say is against all the Holohuxster eyewitnesses?”

                  Already explained this to you Jim.

                  “Only 1.76% of the HCN will have to evaporate per minute.
                  Actually, the numbers would be slightly different as there
                  will be less HCN each minute, so 1.76% won’t be as much HCN
                  after eight minutes as it was in the first. Taking this loss
                  of material into account, even a constant 1.76% evaporation
                  rate takes only 12 minutes. For a substance that is normally
                  a gas at room temperature, an evaporation rate this slow seems
                  quite probable. As HCN boils at 26 degrees Celsius, it is
                  quite likely that the gas will evaporate much faster than
                  1.76% per minute.”

                  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/cyanide/cyanide.001

                  READ PELTS REPORT.

                  “So the Germans would waste 90% of an expensive product to use 10% of it”

                  A typical can of Zyklon contained 200 grams of HCN… The used 176.7 grams of HCN… Does this sound like 10% Jim? Or are you an idiot?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 5:16 pm

                • Click really now….. if you open up a can of zyklon-b it’s all wasted no matter how much is used the can is no good you don’t just put in a couple grains and put the top on it.. I can’t believe you said something so stupid like that.
                  It’s just like a can of beer once you open it there’s no going back.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 5:20 pm

                • Doesn’t matter… Its a cheap product.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 5:21 pm

          • Sorry for spelling issues in my post. I’m posting it on the fly. I have to go to work.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 5:15 pm

            • Sorry. Didn’t know you were on your way to work.

              Comment by Tim — July 9, 2016 @ 9:39 am

              • “Sorry. Didn’t know you were on your way to work.”

                I’m off now.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 4:33 pm

  6. The problem with this scenario that they presented with the pellets they can’t get their act together to really explain what happened so they want people to believe either or happen what difference does it make to them as long as they believed people were gassed. To Enable gas to come through a pipe you would need a complex mechanical system to generate the gas and then fans to push it under pressure so obviously they didn’t have that there. It would be a big unit to do that so where is that mechanical Contraption to do that. it’s all a bunch of crap more lies and aren’t we happy that we know the truth.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 12:54 pm

    • Actually the main thing missing here Jimbo,nobody has ever bought up,”thermal dynamics”. A person is going to have to apply the out of thermal dynamics here,to make this work in a productive way

      Comment by Tim — July 8, 2016 @ 4:32 pm

      • Which law of thermal dynamics would even apply here?

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 5:21 pm

        • Heat and temperature and how they relate to work and energy. The higher the temp,the faster the molecules move,producing higher kinetic energy. Zyklon operates off high temps,correct? Kinda like the gas from ww1. The soldiers would be exposed to gas. It would get on their clothes. The cold would kinda put the gas in hibernation. They get back in the trenches and the gas goes ape shit again,due to the body heat created in the trenches. That’s how I heard it explained. Now the zyklon works best under conditions of heat,right? The zyklon has stored potential energy. That will be used as work when the gas is released after the chemical reaction takes place. Now exactly how that relates to potential energy,I’m not sure. Once again if zyklon is effected by heat and the gas is lighter than air,it seems to me you’d want to take advantage of the heat rising,pushing the gas upwards. Hey. I’m not some brainiac from Cal Tech or MIT. I know what I want to say,I’m just not good at putting it on paper. Ive heard where they’ve done thermal analysis on buildings before. If they want their gas huts to work efficiently ,wouldn’t they run experiments like that? One law that will be used here is kinetic vs. potential energy. The potential energy is what the zyklon possesses. When it’s changed into the gas form,it becomes kinetic energy . That’s one law that applies regardless . There again,all this hinges on zyklon and its reaction to heat. Hell if the shit would be lethal in below zero weather,then none of this will matter. Like I said,I’m no poindexter. I know what I want to say,but the written word will be the bane of my existence

          Comment by Tim — July 8, 2016 @ 8:35 pm

          • “Heat and temperature and how they relate to work and energy. The higher the temp,the faster the molecules move,producing higher kinetic energy. Zyklon operates off high temps,correct?”

            Depends on the temperature. Zyklon can release in temperatures between -20*F to 10*F. Its rate of release can change, but generally a portable heater could fix any issue of heating. The use of portable heaters was used at Auschwitz. As well even sometimes the gas chambers would have their own heats, as was the case of Stutthof. I sadly cannot say for sure if heaters were used at dachau due to a lack of information but the use of portable heaters wouldn’t be very shocking.

            “From a description of the bunkers Dawidowski went to a lengthy description of the chemical properties of Zyklon B, and the unusual form the agent had been shipped to Auschwitz. Violating three decrees, the Zyklon B used in Auschwitz had not been provided with a warning agent. As the hydrogen cyanide contained in the Zyklon grains evaporated more easily as the environment was warmer, Dawidowski noted that the gas chambers were either pre-heated with portable stoves or, in the case of crematoria 2 and 3, by warm air generated by the ovens. And he presented the results of the laboratory analysis on the presence of hydrogen cyanide in the six zinc covers found in crematorium 2 and the bags of hair.”

            “Cross-referencing this letter with blueprints of the basement of crematorium 2, Dawidowski concluded that the designation “Vergasungskeller” applied to morgue 1. He noted that the blueprints showed that the section of this morgue differed from that of morgue 2 in that the former was equipped with two built-in ventilation ducts on each side. Correspondence explained that these ventilation ducts were connected to a ventilator driven by 3.5 horsepower electric motor, and that the space was also equipped with a separate system for introducing warm air into it–an arrangement that made no sense if the space was used as a morgue (because corpses must be stored cold) but which made a lot of sense if the space was used as a Zyklon B gas chamber (because hydrogen cyanide, with a boiling point of around 27° Celsius, works much faster when used in a pre-heated space–an issue Dawidowski was to discuss at length later in his report). Both eyewitness testimonies, blueprints and correspondence corroborated each other.”

            http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/defense/van/IV.html

            “Kinda like the gas from ww1. ”

            The gasses from world war one have different properties then the gasses used in these chambers.

            “The soldiers would be exposed to gas. It would get on their clothes. The cold would kinda put the gas in hibernation.”

            Different properties. At room temperature Zyklon is a liquid. Zyklon can still release in winter like conditions. IT would still release in temperatures near to 0*F and its bear minimum temperature is -4*F.

            “They get back in the trenches and the gas goes ape shit again,due to the body heat created in the trenches.”

            I think you should read up on the uses of Hydrogen Cyanide.

            http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750038.html

            “Now the zyklon works best under conditions of heat,right?”

            It works within -20*F to 10*F It works in temperature above 10*F. If I remember correctly 80*F is the Ideal temperature which is given by Shermer. Though just any type of heated environment worked. Though getting up to areas such as 100*F is pushing it and can cause the gas to turn into other gasses such as Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide.

            “The zyklon has stored potential energy. That will be used as work when the gas is released after the chemical reaction takes place.”

            In a way, yes. The Issue of energy isn’t exactly present. Generally the gassing with Zyklon should have taken between 10 to 15 minutes. Release rate is more important.

            “The question now becomes, If 1 kg of HCN (5 cans) are poured into our gas chamber, how fast will the HCN have to evaporate to reach a lethal concentration in ten minutes? For this example, I will assume a constant rate of evaporation on a per gram basis. The rate of evaporation will be:

            176.7 grams HCN/10 minutes = 17.67 grams/minute

            (17.67 grams HCN/minute)/(1000 g HCN) X 100 = 1.76%

            Only 1.76% of the HCN will have to evaporate per minute. Actually, the numbers would be slightly different as there will be less HCN each minute, so 1.76% won’t be as much HCN after eight minutes as it was in the first. Taking this loss of material into account, even a constant 1.76% evaporation rate takes only 12 minutes. For a substance that is normally a gas at room temperature, an evaporation rate this slow seems quite probable. As HCN boils at 26 degrees Celsius, it is quite likely that the gas will evaporate much faster than 1.76% per minute.”

            http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/cyanide/cyanide.001

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 9:16 pm

            • There are no mention of heaters anywhere. The Holohuckster Jews had 75 years to get this story straight so sure there’s going to be plenty of information that fits the narrative albeit falsely
              With there view of what happened but you have to remember that their taking a story and then they’re making it fit with the information they present.
              Not a hard thing to do how do you think movies are made. When they find out one lie doesn’t work they just go to another one and they keep doing that.
              They have done that for the last 75 years and most people don’t notice it unless you start looking in the right places.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — July 8, 2016 @ 9:29 pm

              • Jim I gave another answer as well read the very bottom of the post.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 8, 2016 @ 9:50 pm

            • Well if temp is not really a dominating factor here,then discussion of interaction between heat and this chemical,would be for naught. What about humidity? I’m asking,because it looks like this place was built with cinder blocks. This material is ravaged with pores. They hold moisture to no end,or is Germany like the western states? Little to no himidity. What’s the effect on the chemical (other than general clean up) that moisture would have on it.

              Comment by Tim — July 9, 2016 @ 6:53 am

              • Tim don’t be fooled by these Holohucksters… there was no heat is in these rooms like I mentioned…. no one ever mentioned them in the room …..where would they have been put in the rooms in the first place because they would have had to hang from the ceiling and it wasn’t enough room there so this is just a typical story invented after the war because they know they had a problem with the original story because ZB works at a certain temperature better.
                Also remember that they said that these rooms were packed so tight that it was only one sq foot per person so again where would these heaters have been placed they don’t show you that do that because they’re not on the plans.
                The Holohucksters have an answer for everything but no facts to prove any of it it’s just wishful thinking because they know they have a problem with the original story and they will do anything and say anything and prevent anything after the fact to prove their point too bad it’s based on fairy tale. They had 75 years to retool the story and they’re still doing it.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 7:04 am

                • Well like I said I “thought” heat was the one main factor this chemical hinged on. I was guessing if they gassed the numbers they claim they did,someone would have to put some thought (in the way of science ) into the design of these buildings,so they could get maximum production that they were seeking

                  Comment by Tim — July 9, 2016 @ 8:01 am

                • This is titled…Just Asking?

                  Lets talk about the logistics of killing people in rooms with or without heat…..

                  The Holohuxsters claim there were heaters in the buildings that did the mass killings using ZB gas…..

                  If there were heaters in any of these actually “morgues” rooms it would of been to keep the temperature above freezing so the bodies wouldn’t freeze together while they were piled on top of each other. Of course if they didn’t do any cremations in the winter than it wouldn’t matter as I would think the bodies would be dealt with when the thaw came.. Not a pleasant thing to have to uses an axe or something similar to separate the bodies whose liquids spilled out with temps below 32 degrees….
                  Something not talked about , Lets think about how many bodies there would be in these morgues if 500 or so people were dying a day from natural causes. The morgues would of filled up pretty fast and 4 months of winter temps below 32 degrees would create a huge backlog of bodies headed for the crematories if there was no heat in the buildings with morgues.
                  Now add in the tens of thousands per day supposedly killed with ZB and you really have a problem here.. So the heating or not heating of these buildings would be a big problem logistically wouldn’t you say…..too many bodies not enough room to store them especially in the winter months, and definitely not enough crematoriums to handle these tens of thousands of people in the 36 months even less that they say these mass exterminations this all happened.
                  But the cremation issue is another topic all by itself…

                  So the question is were there heaters in the morgues?? How about the rooms they say were used for homicidal gassings??
                  Can you show me a picture of one? where was it put in the room?

                  How about the other rooms mention in the Holohoax tale…
                  I would think there would have to be heat in the rooms that had showers in them for obvious reasons. No matter, you don’t hear much discussion about heaters and if there were I would like to know about it.
                  Which brings us back to the rooms they claim were used for homicidal gassing….there were NO heaters mentioned so I guess we have a problem with the Holohuxsters explanation of mass killing with ZB happening so quickly. Maybe the Holohuxsters can explain how that happened….

                  Sure you can use ZB a room with no heat but it will take a lot longer to do that. The times mentioned by most of the Holohuxsters was from the insanely 5 to still hard to believe 20 minutes on average for the gassing to kill everyone….of course they forget to mention that ZB gives off 10% of it’s off gassing in one hour…Please explain that one??? So are they saying that it’s possible to kill people with only 10% or less of the ZB being used??? What a waste of the product. I would think you would need close to 90% of the off gassing to kill all those people but then look at the time to do that 9 hrs!!!!!! Don’t think the 9 hr or even less timing was mentioned by any of the Holohuxster eyewitnesses….the fable says only minutes, and the dastardly deed was done.
                  And even at ten % that would be an hour for that to happen yet no testimony from any Holohuxster I read from said the time was one hr for all to be killed
                  so that would mean that only a small percentage of ZB now less than 10% was used if were talking 5-20 minutes from the original Holohuxster statements….
                  Can you really kill thousands of people on less than 10% of ZB….now that would be a real miracle of miracles….

                  Yet the Holohuxsters have an answer……. Body heat…..

                  …Was the heat generated by the people themselves, you know body heat? Not possible if there was no heat in the building even with the lame explanation that the bodies of the live people warmed up the room….Are you kidding me!!! LOL How long would it take to warm up a 2000 sq ft room with 2000-25000 people in it to 80 degrees F….
                  I would think it would take more than 20 minutes especially if the room was 30 degrees F to start with especially with concrete walls and floors. Now that would of been a sight to see, all these people standing up in the room shoulder to shoulder according to expert eyewitnesses like HoloHuxster Dario Gabbai that said the people were put in the room shoulder to shoulder 2500 at a time….Ya right…LOL Try doing that with people now ….It would take extreme precision and organization to get all these people lined up without some sort of panicking going on from some people who would be claustrophobic….But the Holohuxsters make it seem like a walk in the park to do it…LOL
                  Would the Jews have been that cooperative especially knowing it wasn’t a shower room they were in….I sincerely doubt it. Maybe that had rehearsals several times until they got it right….

                  About cold buildings and heat…..

                  I use to work construction and on one job in Feburary 1972 the room in the basement of building 6 story (hotel) The months had been mild had a lot of rain then the deep freeze came…had three feet of ice on the floor so don’t talk to me about how cold a basement could get without heat. Kerosene heaters/ blowers had to be brought in to get the temp up for the guys to use the jack hammers to chip all the ice off the floor and put into a pile to melt down and then the water extracted with a pump. These buildings in Poland were no different as the temps would be as cold….If I remember correctly the winter of 1944 was extremely cold…just ask the Germans who were on the Russian front how cold was it….

                  So summing all this up….did the buildings have heat in them? If so which ones? Is it possible to put 2500 naked people into a freezing cold room shoulder to shoulder and think they would just calmly stand there waiting to be killed? If the room had no heat…Did their bodies generate enough heat to warm up the room to meet the 80 degrees or so operating temp for ZB to work at its peak efficiency? Can ZB kill people in 5 to 20 minutes using only 10% or even much less from it’s off gassing.
                  These are questions I would like asked and answered…but the problem is in 19 countries I would go to jail if I asked these questions if I lived there.
                  Am I a bad person for asking these questions…am I anti-semitic for asking these questions, am I a hater for asking these questions…..
                  am I a lawbreaker for asking these questions? Apparently in 19 countries I am….and lets say you do have a reasonable explanation for my questions… should I still be jailed or heavenly fined for asking them? Should my lawyer be debarred and arrested and also fined or sent to jail for defending me for asking these questions? Can we have an intelligent debate on this Holohoax topic even if I’m proven wrong? Why do I have to go to jail in 19 countries and counting..for asking these questions?

                  Just asking?

                  Jim Rizoli
                  CCFIILE.COM

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 11:17 am

                • Actually the whole thing I was wanting to know,is how much science went into these buildings. If they killed as many people as history says they did,then I’m going to figure they want to the maximum results. How the building was designed. The material it was made out of. I don’t they would entrust something like that to the local handyman. If all this went down the way history said it did,then it’s gonna have to be a well oiled,smooth running machine. They supposedly put a lot of thought into this,so they’re gonna wanna make sure there’s no malfunction on the equipment end.

                  Comment by Tim — July 9, 2016 @ 12:39 pm

              • The Gas chambers were no so much dependent on climate. It depends on what part of Germany we are speaking of as Germany’s climate can be both like France and Poland.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 4:14 pm

                • Click…
                  I love how you tiptoed around that one with Tim.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 4:17 pm

                • “I love how you tiptoed around that one with Tim.”

                  I didn’t dance around it… Dachau for example will experience different weather then for example Maly Trostenets.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 4:57 pm

                • Why are you talking abou Dachau? We already established there were no homicidal gas Chambers there.

                  You’re tip toeing again…

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 5:16 pm

                • No we didn’t Jim… your still and idiot.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 5:21 pm

                • Bergs latest email for what it’s worth….
                  Interesting he doesn’t want any emails from me but it keeps sending me his.

                  In the “Military Fumigation Manual” from the American Cyanimid Co. from 1943 which Faurisson also cited, there is indeed a brief discussion on page 12 as follows:

                  “If a mess hall is equipped with gas, blower-type heaters, these may be used for heating prior to fumigation, but they should be extinguished (including the pilot light) just before applying the fumigant. All pilot lights in boilers, ranges, etc., should be extinguished. Coal fires in cooking ranges should be banked so there will be no live flame during the fumigation.”

                  That text may look at first glance as if it is some evidence for a danger of explosion but note that there still is no mention of explosion” or anything explosive.” In fact, nowhere within the entire manual is there any mention of any danger of explosion. Although the word boiler” appears, that is probably a typo and the word should probably be broiler” since the paragraph is about a mess hall. Pilot lights would have consumed some of the cyanide by ordinary combustion (just as they would consume oxygen) and would have reduced the amount of cyanide remaining in the air to kill infestation.

                  Faurisson chose to ignore some extremely important text which appears just prior to the above and which reads as follows:

                  “When outdoor conditions cause the indoor temperature to fall below 65 degrees F., it is desirable to heat the building for two or three hours before the Discoids are applied and during the fumigation so the insects will be warmed and therefore more susceptible to the gas.

                  Furnace rooms should not be sealed but the door should be locked and barred to prevent entry… The furnace (if coal) should be stoked so that heat will be satisfactorily maintained for the short period of exposure required, if possible. If not possible, the furnace tender should wear a gas mask when tending the fire.”

                  The reader should note that according to the above text, whenever the outdoor temperature is below 65 degrees Fahrenheit, the building should be heated “during the fumigation” to keep the building and insects warm. Also, if the furnace is in a room adjoining the room to be fumigated, ventilator openings above the furnace room door should be sealedbut not the door itself; it should simply be closed and lockedbut not sealed. The furnace may continue to operate to maintain room temperature provided that the furnace tender wear a gas mask when tending the fire.” That key phrase totally refutes one of Faurisson’s most often used arguments against the use of crematory furnaces near alleged gas chambers. Obviously, the danger that the furnace tenders might also bring about their own destruction in an explosion is not significant at all.

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 5:25 pm

                • “Interesting he doesn’t want any emails from me but it keeps sending me his.”

                  I wouldn’t want emails from you ether.

                  “Obviously, the danger that the furnace tenders might also bring about their own destruction in an explosion is not significant at all.”

                  Seems like he also has the right idea.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 5:27 pm

                • You wouldn’t want any emails for me, really…. what are you two years old. LOL I do wonder about your age by some of the things you just say…
                  Are you old enough to drive?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 5:32 pm

                • I’m in college? What do you Think Jim.

                  And how would my opinion of not getting emails be childish? Not even Berg want’s emails from you.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 5:35 pm

                • Sady you are showing your age by your comments.
                  The fact that you’re in college shows me why you’re like you are.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 5:39 pm

                • I’m hearing this from the guy who continues to say he unwilling to debate. I have lots of examples, and yet for some reason he still continues to respond.

                  I am hearing this from the guy who continues to argue even when modern revisionist say his information is wrong. I am sorry to say Jim but deniers revise their arguments.

                  The guy who claimed it was hard to smash teeth.

                  And yet he doesn’t even know that the Germans wouldn’t have to worry about teeth.

                  ” Forensic dentists have found that after short periods of time in fires that are hot enough to incinerate bodies (between 1400 to 2100 degrees Fahrenheit), teeth are mostly destroyed or rendered weak enough to be easily broken down, which would have happened in the bone crushing procedure that followed the incineration fires. ”

                  http://hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/incinerate8.html

                  The issue is that your just a parrot of Zundel. A man who is long dead and who’s arguments are well debunked. I have researched what I say and even rely of mattogno at times, as for an example with the Ball mill. Which ends up that the claimed “Bone Mill” is generally referred to as a “Bone-crushing machine” by the USHMM.

                  https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_ph.php?ModuleId=0&MediaId=824

                  You also put words in other peoples mouth, even when they never claim it. For example when I said climate effected the gassing program you took it as “No one was gassed in winter”.

                  You claimed the issue of Dachau was settled and that it ended up no gassed happened, except neither Jeff or I said no gassings happened. We said experimental gassings happened.

                  I am sure I could find more examples Jim but what basically is your major flaw is your every day logic is just Logical Fallacies. You should start reading something other then David Icke and stop putting your fingers in your ears.

                  https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 5:58 pm

                • I don’t read David Icke and I’d be more than happy to stop conversation with you because it doesn’t matter to me.
                  You think you have all the answers and you’re just a young whippersnapper who feels you found the truth you are so far behind on truth and what’s going on in this world you don’t get it.
                  A lot of young people like that today you have no spirituality but you have all the answers.
                  You have all this worldly wisdom but you don’t have any understanding of how things work and what the final plan is so in the end I actually feel sorry.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 6:05 pm

                • “I don’t read David Icke and I’d be more than happy to stop conversation with you because it doesn’t matter to me.”

                  And yet you reply…

                  “You think you have all the answers and you’re just a young whippersnapper who feels you found the truth you are so far behind on truth and what’s going on in this world you don’t get it.”

                  I never claim to have all the answers Jim… I claim your an idiot cause all the stuff you say is older claims and has been dropped and or disproved. Just like your regular claim that the gas chambers would have exploded.

                  Here since you won’t take my word for it here is a revisionist who’s not in college saying exactly my point.

                  “You’re an idiot, Jim Rizoli; no one’s wasting efforts talking to you.”
                  -Black Rabbit

                  Its said in just a few words. Once my points made you have to refute it… but you cannot even do this properly.

                  You cannot even read the leuchter report correctly.

                  Which clearly states that it takes 60,000 ppm. If you read pressac or any anti-revisionist writing you will be told gassings used 300 ppm.

                  And a revisionist says I am right.

                  “Jim Rizoli said “One correction I think he means the word flammable not inflammable when speaking of the flammability of ZB[.] French to English might be giving him a problem here”

                  No, Jim, his English is evidently more extensive than yours.

                  Inflammable and flammable mean the same thing.”

                  -Black rabbit

                  Its just you don’t even understand your own sides reports. Specifically that leuchter lied! Or you could just follow Rudolf’s path and say that leuchters 0.32% is a “typo”.

                  In fact I’m actually reading Curated Lies… So far it hasn’t really grasped my interest, but I am waiting on the part that Eric contributed. I cannot wait to see what half ass conspiracy that he can pull out this time. Or see if he actually can and something sensible to the world for once.

                  “A lot of young people like that today you have no spirituality but you have all the answers.”

                  Jim…spirituality doesn’t change anything about what happens on this earth. You were already challenged on your views by Jeff_36 at Skeptic.

                  “You have all this worldly wisdom but you don’t have any understanding of how things work and what the final plan is so in the end I actually feel sorry.”

                  Jim… I have never claimed to have all the answers, I have told you plenty of times where you are wrong and why. With sources! All you do is make claims and copy and paste large walls of text out from your books.

                  I think you have failed to understand critical thinking. Tal understands it. You don’t.

                  I have asked for evidence for your claims. Its not provided when your not quoting a book. You hardly research into anything past a pdf book and then again you don’t even read every page of the book ether.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 6:34 pm

                • You wrote: “You claimed the issue of Dachau was settled and that it ended up no gassed happened, except neither Jeff or I said no gassings happened. We said experimental gassings happened.”

                  How did the “experimental gassings” at Dachau take place? Were animals, or people, used? In what year did the experimental gassings take place? Did the Germans publish a paper on the experimental gassings?

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2016 @ 8:26 am

                • That’s part of what I was trying to say. Why would they be experimenting right in the middle of the game? I mentioned that if they killed on the grand scale,that history said they did,wouldn’t it make sense they’d only start the show,once they came up with a 100% effective game plan,instead of “experimental” shit while the show is going on. That would’ve been almost like us experimenting with different rockets while we were right in the middle of sending our men to the moon,during the Apollo program

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 10:03 am

                • There was no experimenting this is just the way the whole Hawks does have to make another argument for something they can’t prove but have to show something happen there but of course nothing happened there so they make up anything and people believe it again.
                  Honestly that’s the first time I’ve ever heard that but like I’ve been mentioning they had 75 years to chang the story and it’s been changing every year it seems.
                  If they want to count the lice as being animals being gassed then I guess that would count….LOL

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 10:12 am

                • That’s one of the details,that bugs the piss outta me. Why would they experiment with anything? If this shit happened on the scale,history said it did,they’d be going into this endeavor with a program that been proven 100% reliable. Not jumping from one method to the next.

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 10:20 am

                • History says the program’s worked independently of the government.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 5:26 pm

                • Okay. That makes sense. Who’s jurisdiction would it fall under? Would it be something along the lines of Francis Gary Powers? He was no longer part of the Air Force,yet the idiots at the CIA “unofficially” claimed him. Did they have some kind of slush fund,to finance their experimentations? If all this was sanctioned ( as long as no one got caught),by some government entity ( in this case I’m going with the regular nazi army,since they ran the prisons), did they have to run their final results by those people,before they actually got the “green light”, to go ahead with putting the plan into action at the prisons? Hope that makes sense.

                  Comment by Tim — July 11, 2016 @ 4:59 pm

                • Bureaucracy, the camps functions on their own and if they were to change to that of an extermination camp they would have an order which was passed down. Watch this.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 11, 2016 @ 5:07 pm

                • Thanks Miss Click. It was interesting. I’m not sure if I’d accept that as being the gospel. That’s the “huffington post “. They are the liberals from hell. I’m not knocking liberals,but s lot of them tend to live in fantasy land. I’d like to see if they’d entertain the idea of a rebuttal on that video. Probably not.

                  Comment by Tim — July 12, 2016 @ 2:42 pm

                • True the Huff post is, but it’s really the only short thing I was able to find which accurately describes It. If I find anything I will link you it.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 12, 2016 @ 2:58 pm

                • It did seem to leave a lot of loose ends. What they described,seemed to be something along the lines of our system of corrections. You’ve got federal,which is the U. S. Bureau of Prisons. After that you have state run prisons. Last but not least is county lockdown for short timers. Thank God I got smart enough and never made it to the federal pen. All 3 of those are seperate entities and answer only to themselves . I’m gonna deduce that’s how these prisons were ran.

                  Comment by Tim — July 12, 2016 @ 3:34 pm

                • That’s exactly why I asked about them experimenting with different ways of offing people. I tell people,love the nazis or hate them,ya gotta admit one thing. Their military had their shit together. That’s why when someone mentioned ,”experimenting”,it didn’t make sense. Any experiments would’ve been done before the show started. It’s like Rommel. He wasn’t perfect,but he was one slick lil shit. He wouldn’t have been that good,if he was changing up his game plan in midstream. So if all this shit was going on with the gas houses,I’m sure the process would’ve been the same from start to finish.

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 4:50 pm

                • Accord to testimony and the letter the gassings were of people. The animals being gassed (from what I can tell) in Linz.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 5:12 pm

                • You wrote: “The animals being gassed (from what I can tell) in Linz.”

                  I have a two-page section about Linz on my website at
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Linz/index.html

                  Why were animals gassed in Linz, Austria?

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2016 @ 6:23 pm

                • Read the letter, It gives a really clear answer for why they would gas animals.

                  “The only reports which are available so far are for *experiments* on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases.”

                  What kind of advancement did Dr. Rasher want to move onto?

                  “I wondered if it would be possible to *test the effects* of our combat gases in these chambers [in Dachau] using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway.”

                  They are testing the effects of gasses… Mind the letter is from August 9, 1942… The Germans may have considered spanning the extermination program into Austria. The expansion is just a speculation but there really isn’t much else to work off from for places like Dachau. As well every camp was run independently from the government in a form of way. The extermination program was purely bureaucratic.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 6:34 pm

                • If they were already gassing folks,what possible reason would they gas animals? I’m guessing the experimental stage was over with. They found the best way to off everyone,so why go on with the animals

                  Comment by Tim — July 12, 2016 @ 5:14 pm

                • Testing other forms of gas.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 12, 2016 @ 6:19 pm

                • You wrote: “If they were already gassing folks,what possible reason would they gas animals?”

                  They needed to gas animals in order to determine how much gas was needed to kill the lice in the clothing. They didn’t want to waste Zyklon-B by using too much gas to kill the lice in the clothing.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 13, 2016 @ 8:40 am

                • Never heard they gassed animals in anything I’ve read So I don’t by it until you can show me.
                  Why would there be no pictures…..even done for scientific reasons.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 13, 2016 @ 4:14 pm

                • Come on y’all. Have a heart. This is why I get lost. Every gets off on petty ass BS. When the conversation is resumed about the topic at hand,I’m not sure what facts have been established and which ain’t. I’m not saying a few words off topic is bad every now and then. It keeps people grounded,but you two tear each other’s eyeballs out

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 9:56 am

                • Is this shit flammable or not?

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 9:50 am

                • You wrote: “No we didn’t Jim… your still and idiot.”

                  When calling someone an idiot, you should strive to use correct English. You should have written: “You’re still an idiot.”

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2016 @ 8:34 am

                • Nah, I strive to just respond to Jim with as little effort possible. Just as black rabbit said no ones going to put a ton effort into arguing with him. He’s a halfwit.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 5:21 pm

                • Well I was just wanting to know what the climate was like there. That’s why I’ve been asking about the design of these buildings . I read something on here that talked about how disposing of people,was by trial and error. Now from where I stand,then wouldn’t be no ,”trial and error”. If they did in fact want to bump off people in huge numbers,they’re gonna go about this endeavor,with a system that’s been proven. They ain’t gonna be bouncing from one method to another,while they’re right in the middle of the show. I know if I’d decided to do something like this,on a grand scale like this,I’m gonna have the proper system and tools in place before I start doing it. It just bugs me that history says the only plan they had from the beginning was to kill Jews . The history books tell us they tried a billion different ways before they settled on gas huts. That’s like going into a battle,without a plan ahead of time. I would’ve expected someone to come up with a plan outlining,the overall objective . Proof that their method is the most effective. Show that by demonstrating with their method,they’ll be guaranteed a certain set number of bodies each day. They will have taken into account what would happen if there’s a break down in the system . This is not only mechanical failure,but the human element. I read where they mentioned gunning people down in large groups,was not only inefficient,but it had an adverse reaction on the men with the guns. I’ve said it before on here. No matter how bad you may hate someone,if you take another mans life,you gotta live with it . That’s the one thing the Army never trained me for,when I did my jungle training at Ft. Polk. I hit Southeast Asia and found out real quick,that’s not an easy thing to live with. I had 3 kills I know of for sure. Yeah those men were trying to kill me,but I still took their lives. I got 3 ghosts I’ll carry with me till I die. I don’t give a shit if the prison guards were nazis or not. There’s no way in hell somebody can tell me,they were cold hearted. They gassed these people without regret. I don’t give a shit how bad they may or may not have hated these people. If they did everything history said they did,somewhere along the line,some of them are gonna be seeing a shrink. Now educators and philosophers in the mental health field,would’ve loved to have studied people like the guards that worked the prisons. They’d all get hardons for the opportunity to interview these people that supposedly bumped all these 100s of thousands off. Law books are full of accountings on how these cases were prosecuted,yet no one has bothered to do any psychological studies on the people that actually got “their hands dirty”. If everything happened the way history said it did,wouldn’t you want to see how the mind of a person works,that kills people day in and day out? Remember ol Gary Gilmore? Executed by firing squad in Utah back in ’77. Only one of the riflemen had a live round in his rifle. The other men had blanks. No one knew who the man was that had the live round. True,they executed a man who murdered,but no one knew who had the live round. The psychology behind that is quite simple . None of those men will ever know,if their rifle had the fatal round. Therefore it’s not gonna weigh too heavy on them. That’s the same shit here. If these nazi guards were killing on the scale history said they were,why haven’t any of them had issues? Even if it was only a handful,somewhere along the line,someone’s gonna snap. I’m not saying this proves or disproves what may or may not have happened at these prisons. It just seems odd that the psychological community would pass up the chance to interview people that worked the gas huts. Ya got plenty of shit written by legal scholars,but absolutely dick written about the so called killers,from the psychological perspective . That’s just my point of view.

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 9:37 am

                • What’s the Sense talking about it if nothing was happening there that was bad that’s why you don’t see too many people talking about it now and the Holohucksters you do see talking about it are outright liars…
                  The problem for the Holohucksters is this
                  They make up one lie and they had a cover that one up with another and then another and another and their whole story is so wacked out it just doesn’t make sense anymore. They now have big issues with intelligent fact finding but it doesn’t matter because the stupider the story the more people believe it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 10:05 am

                • That’s why I’m asking all this shit. Everything revolves around the chemical. Everyone wants to talk about who may or may not have killed people with this gas. For me,it goes further than that. Overall building design. The material it was made out of. Even the training the guys got who ran the gas houses. There’s some details being mentioned here (and they are small) and they’re not adding up in the overall picture

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 10:15 am

                • What the Holohucksters are presenting to you will never add up I’ll just end up in frustration.
                  1 + 1 is 3 to them

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 10:19 am

                • You wrote: “The Gas chambers were no so much dependent on climate”

                  How were the gas chambers dependent on climate?

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 9, 2016 @ 4:19 pm

                • I guess according to Click they didn’t gas people in the winter….LOL
                  But they supposedly had a lot of people killed during that time so I guess they put the gassing and crematories on hold until the spring when it was nice and comfy and warmy pomy for the Jews to die.
                  Click you’re losing it here….

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 9, 2016 @ 4:29 pm

                • Jim, read my post and you will see I never made such a claim. No one ever claimed that gassings didn’t happen during the winter. This is a strawman.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 5:29 pm

                • What the hells a “strawman”?

                  Comment by Tim — July 13, 2016 @ 7:04 am

                • You wrote: “What the hell is a strawman?”
                  The term “strawman” means
                  a sham argument set up to be defeated.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 13, 2016 @ 7:21 am

                • Sounds along the lines of what we used to say. “Set up like a bowling pin”. Why would people want to rig an argument ? Kinda just leaves everyone with their tires spinning.

                  Comment by Tim — July 13, 2016 @ 7:34 am

                • A logical fallacy

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 9:22 am

                • Hey! How are the tests going?

                  Comment by Tim — July 25, 2016 @ 9:31 am

                • They are alright, but how did you know I was in testing?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 9:47 am

                • I asked Jeff why you were MIA

                  Comment by Tim — July 26, 2016 @ 8:49 am

                • Ah, Testing picked up a bit.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 9:31 am

                • Fallacy…..see dictionary for Holocaust.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 25, 2016 @ 9:34 am

                • Jim, again you have yet to present any findings of your own… you just copy and paste major blocks of text and call it fact…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 9:48 am

                • Miss Click. I’m not siding with either one of y’all here,but Jimbo makes a valid point. The dictionary defines holocaust as1. Death or destruction on a mass scale,by fire or nuclear war. 2. A Jewish sacrifice burned on an alter until it’s completely burned. In both cases,fire is bought up. A hypothetical situation. Someone is from another planet. They’ve never heard of the holo. I’d say it’s safe to deduce,that person would think all the Jews were sacrificed by getting torched up. History callin it a holocaust,is misleading. Sounds like the Jews are trying to contort the word itself,to serve their purpose. Clearly the definition was amended sometime after ww2,due to the fact that we knew nothing of the effects of a nuclear war,much less even know what nuclear war is. That’s the only time it was changed. It’s never been changed to reflect the plight of the Jews . I’m left to conclude they are trying to change it,for their own nefarious purpose. In this case,I feel it is a wicked purpose. They’re trying to make people believe,it’s a word that only describes their situation,when it’s much bigger than any one special interest group. At any rate that is the appearance they come across as. It would be easier to call it “mass murder”,but “United States Mass Murder Memorial Museum”,wouldn’t have the same ring to it I guess.

                  Comment by Tim — July 26, 2016 @ 7:51 am

                • Depending on climate gassing time can be extended. Witnesses generally don’t give any discrepancy about it, but this is the type of thing that a portable heater would be brought in to fix. This is generally why we will hear testimony saying anywhere between 10 to 25 minutes for gassings at Auschwitz (and yes I understand that they sometimes say lower then 10 minutes, but the conditions were different every time… Different number of people… Different times of gassings… ect.) Its mostly different conditions can lead to gassing’s being longer but generally they were rather consistent.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 9, 2016 @ 5:01 pm

                • When you mention the portable heaters,were they bought into the building to dry up the moisture the humidity may have caused? I know you mentioned the gas could be used in hot or cold,so I’m guessing the heaters were introduced to dry out the gas huts

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 9:48 am

                • Portable heaters were used for heating the gas.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 5:23 pm

                • I didn’t mean to open a can of worms here. It’s just that not all chemical react the same,when placed in different environments . That was why I was asking about using cinder blocks to build the gas huts with. If the were built in a humid environment,then those blocks will hold a ton of moisture . If that’s the case,then what would be the effectiveness of the chemical in question? That’s why I bring up the point that,a lot of thought would have to go into building the gas houses,if you want them to be a 100% effective. It’s not something the prison handyman is gonna throw together.

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 9:44 am

                • The reason I asked,was because I don’t know how the elements of the weather effect this type of gas. I’m not positive,but I’d say it’s a good guess that where these prisons were located,don’t have the humidity we have here in the Gulf Coast region in Texas . That’s why I was asking about their choice in building materials (cinder blocks). That kind of material is notorious for holding moisture.

                  Comment by Tim — July 10, 2016 @ 8:46 am

                • Humility wouldn’t really effect it to much. These rooms were not cold environments, as mentioned with the heating system.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 5:22 pm

                • The real question is if she is old enough to drink; because with all the clowns around here she’s definitely going to need it.

                  Comment by Anonymous — July 10, 2016 @ 6:44 pm

                • I am sure I would more likely cause FG to drink then people like Hermie. I make quick posts, don’t take the time to read over what is said (due to time restrictions), and I commonly request she doesn’t just link to her blog posts as a source (I haven’t done this very recently).

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 6:53 pm

                • You wrote: “I make quick posts, don’t take the time to read over what is said (due to time restrictions), and I commonly request she doesn’t just link to her blog posts as a source (I haven’t done this very recently).”

                  You are not using the right terminology. You do not “make quick posts.” You make quick COMMENTS. I have taken a great deal of time to write my blog posts, but I have not done this recently because you have taken over my blog and are criticizing my entire body of work, upon which I have spent 6 years of my time. My blog has become your discussion group.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2016 @ 7:03 pm

                • I understand you put a great deal of time into writing your blogs. They are just not always related to the heart of the issue.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 7:09 pm

                • Maybe FG’s blog is not related to the heart of your issues….. you should start your own blog and see how many people are going to go along with you.
                  But no you come here and Parrot all the other Holohucksters and what they have been saying for the last 75 years and then if you have to will change something because you know you’ve been proven wrong. I get so tired of listening to you people you think you have all the answers but again you’re covering up all the lies and then you make it look like we have to prove something when we don’t to prove anything at all…you’re the one that has to prove everything but you psychologically try to manipulate the discussion to show that we are wrong but in reality you’re the one that’s wrong you just don’t see it. You’ve been so brainwashed all your short life maybe as you grow up you’ll find out what’s going on.
                  I have no tolerance for young people that think they know everything as you can tell and no respect for you either.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 7:21 pm

                • “Maybe FG’s blog is not related to the heart of your issues….. you should start your own blog and see how many people are going to go along with you.”

                  Getting along with people is unrelated Jim. I also take part in a youtube channel, and that channel gets spammed quite often. So this doesn’t make to much sense. Maybe you could explain how the ‘power of friendship’ makes historic truth?

                  “But no you come here and Parrot all the other Holohucksters and what they have been saying for the last 75 years and then if you have to will change something because you know you’ve been proven wrong.”

                  Oh really? Then site your sources for your arguments. Stop beating your chest and actually show that the holocaust never happened. Cause It seems rather clear that you just copy your major arguments out of a book. Other then that you just ether say “the holocaust didn’t happen cause It didn’t!” or “the holes never existed! so no gas chamber! so no holocaust”. You use small slogans for your arguments… other then that you do ask questions every now and then… Also I haven’t been repeating such. As I don’t see myself saying the gas came from the shower-heads at Dachau.

                  “I get so tired of listening to you people you think you have all the answers but again you’re covering up all the lies and then you make it look like we have to prove something when we don’t to prove anything at all…”

                  Provide the exact quote where I said I “know everything”. If you mean by how I respond to peoples comments with a refutation to things then yes, but I am more then able to be convinced otherwise if evidence for the contrary is presented in a logical way.

                  As for both Jeff and I asking for evidence this is a logical thing. Its called “CRITICAL THINKING”. As well the person making the assertion has to prove their claim. Its like when you went after Blake on cremation time. He was relying on a primary document, I was relying on two primary documents.

                  “you’re the one that has to prove everything but you psychologically try to manipulate the discussion to show that we are wrong but in reality you’re the one that’s wrong you just don’t see it.”

                  I have show you 3 documents in the past which clearly state that Krema 2 contained at GAS CHAMBER.

                  Here. I will give an example. Gasan was claiming Rascher’s document was created by a Jew. When asked for a name and evidence for such he just continued to play dumb.

                  eah states quite clearly how the document being a forgery would be proven.

                  “The only way to absolutely prove a forgery is for the forger to admit it — or for someone who witnessed, or knows of, the forgery, to give believable testimony — neither is going to happen in this case”

                  This hasn’t been provided.

                  ” You’ve been so brainwashed all your short life maybe as you grow up you’ll find out what’s going on.”

                  I think this doesn’t require any comments. This is coming from the guy who literally has ignored documents over all this period of time, and it doesn’t even have to be argued who here is willfully ignoring evidence.

                  “I have no tolerance for young people that think they know everything as you can tell and no respect for you either.”

                  Don’t care… and I haven’t claimed to know everything. This is why I regularly ask for evidence on your part for your assertions, its called “expanding your knowledge”.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 7:46 pm

                • FG…. your blog post have been taken over by a young whippersnapper that thinks she knows what she’s talking about and thinks that at very young age she has more knowledge and understanding of what’s going on but it’s just the opposite she has no clue what is happening and she has not experienced a lot of things we have so she keeps posting just to waste our time because she really doesn’t know anything unless it was told her from somebody else that doesn’t know anything.
                  if she was really smart she would sit back and really investigate what was saying and not just parrot the crap that’s been said for all these 75 years that’s exactly what she’s doing. Every now and then she throws and something that has been revised but it’s only been revised because of revisionist who have exposed the holes in it. There is only so much nonsense you can listen to without yawning…

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 7:11 pm

                • I can relate to that. Like my DI said in describing me one time,” young,dumb and full of cum ( that was actually one of the nicer verbal attacks he took on me). Thought I was billy badass. Then I landed in Southeast Asia . Found out real quick,I didn’t know shit.

                  Comment by Tim — July 13, 2016 @ 7:11 am

                • And I would agree it has become a discussion group. In the ends its completely your choice to write blogs based on what my “Comments” say. You should be more then able to spend your time writing while ignoring my comments. As you do often play more of an Observer then actually taking part. Jim seems to be the one who puts the bulk of the effort into replying to each of my posts.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 7:18 pm

                • She was married to a dog face (that’s slang. They used to call us in the Army “dog faces”. Kinda like another branch of the military would call a marine a “bullet catcher”). He was also an officer. They lived in post war Germany . If she made through that with depending on the bottle,then this site of hers,ain’t even gonna come close to making her want to break out the fire water. FG has admitted she’s been on both sides of the fence with this issue. I imagine living in post war Germany,it would’ve been easy to get caught up in the furvor. Now years down the road and great distance from Germany ,she’s able to take an objective view. Far as Jimbo goes. Could’ve used him In Nam. He’d piss off the VC and NVA regulars. They would’ve been begging Kissinger for terms. Either that or they’d go over the edge having to deal with Jimbo. NVA would find out real quick what “tenacity” actually means.

                  Comment by Tim — July 13, 2016 @ 7:51 am

                • It’s obvious that the Old Guard was more comfortable back when this blog was a circle-jerk echo chamber.

                  Comment by Anonymous — July 10, 2016 @ 7:35 pm

                • Yep. Also Jim seems rather annoyed with my “Comments”. Hes commonly claiming I have to prove something (even when I provide proof) for everything (which I to give a source). Also apparently I commonly use personal experience as an argument against him… I can only think up one case in which I have done so. I guess one could argue where I say that non of the Film I have seen shows the walls which the grates are on as personal experience… Which is true. FG’s website says the following.

                  “On November 29, 1945, a film was shown at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal which included footage of the gas chamber, but the east wall of the homicidal gas chamber where the openings for the bins are located was not shown. Instead, the film showed the shower heads and the “top vents” through which the gas was put into the chamber.”

                  Which is true and I have the film as well.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 8:08 pm

                • Maybe you can talk to us about the the shrunken heads the Lampshades made out of jews skin and the soap made out of Jews fat…why don’t you talk about that…. you don’t say anything about that yet they showed plenty of movies on those topics.
                  Why don’t you talk about those movies.
                  Oh I know why because you pick and choose what you want to talk about especially something that exposes your HoloHoax scam you don’t want anybody to know about that but the scam is still there isn’t it.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 10, 2016 @ 8:25 pm

                • “Maybe you can talk to us about the the shrunken heads the Lampshades made out of jews skin and the soap made out of Jews fat…”

                  This has been addressed millions of times Jim. The Lampshade is Goatskin and the Soap from human fat was made on small scale…

                  I do not know the story behind the shrunken heads, but they were most likely just models.

                  “why don’t you talk about that….”

                  What relevance do these items have to anything else we were talking about Jim?

                  “you don’t say anything about that yet they showed plenty of movies on those topics.”

                  Cause they were never brought up… Do you not understand how responses work Jim… I don’t just bring and irrelevant topic of no where… That would make someone look like an idiot.

                  Imagine you were claiming no holes existed in the roof of Krema 1 and my response was.

                  “Oh yah! Well the Lamp Shade was made of goat skin!”

                  Anyone who does a simple search can find out about Lucius D. Clay…. He said quite well that the lamp shade was goat skin.

                  “There was absolutely no evidence in the trial transcript, other than she was a rather loathsome creature, that would support the death sentence. I suppose I received more abuse for that than for anything else I did in Germany. Some reporter had called her the “Bitch of Buchenwald”, had written that she had lamp shades made of human skin in her house. And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven that the lamp shades were made out of goat skin.”

                  (Lucius D. Clay: An American Life. Macmillan. p. 301)

                  Anyone who wants to find out about the soap can easily go here.

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/10/tests-show-that-nazis-used-human.html

                  “Why don’t you talk about those movies.”

                  Cause most serious websites don’t use them as legitimate sources. As well I understand that human memory conflates… and that such conflation is almost doubled under times of extreme stress… This is why we see claims of gas chambers at Buchenwald…. even when no gas chambers were there.

                  “Oh I know why because you pick and choose what you want to talk about especially something that exposes your HoloHoax scam you don’t want anybody to know about that but the scam is still there isn’t it.”

                  No… Its cause you never mentioned them to me…

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 10, 2016 @ 9:13 pm


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