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July 17, 2016

Throw Mama from the train a kiss

Filed under: Germany, movies, World War II — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 7:30 pm

The following quote, from this news article, made me think of a famous line, allegedly spoken by immigrants to America, and I used it for the title of my blog post.

Begin quote from news article:

A Holocaust survivor has relived the childhood horror of watching a Nazi death squad gun down her mother, during a talk at a Baldock school.

End quote

Note that Hannah’s mother was gunned down “during a talk at a Baldock school.”

The photo of Hannah Lewis, shown below, was included in the news article. LitttleHannah

The following quote is from the news article:

Hannah was born in 1937 in Włodawa, a market town in eastern Poland where Jews made up about half the population before the war and the Nazi occupation.

In 1943 she and her family were rounded up and sent to a forced labour camp in Adampol.

Her father and cousin were able to escape, join the resistance and warn Haya that a Nazi Einsatzgruppe (death squad) was on the way – but Haya stayed because she was unable to move Hannah, who had typhus.

On liberation Hannah was found starved and hiding in a ditch by a Red Army soldier, and was reunited with her father. She moved to Britain in 1949 and now has four children and eight grandchildren.

End quote

The Death’s Head symbol was worn by the Einsatzgruppen, the soldiers who followed behind the regular troops, killing the Communists and Jews, when the German Army invaded Russia on June 22, 1941. The Death’s Head symbol was also worn by the guards in the Nazi concentration camps.

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General Sepp Dietrich is shown wearing a death’s head emblem on his cap

 

16 Comments »

  1. I myself believe the holocaust actually happened and was a terrible part of history. You all make excellent arguments for both sides of this subject. What uappebed in the past is done and over with, we cannot erase it but learn from past mistakes. There was evil on both sides of the war (Japanese internment camps in America and P.O.W. camps in Japan, etc). We can only try to better ourselves as humans and be more compassionate towards each other because someday, ones will look back on what we have done and it will be better for the human race if it will be a positive existence instead of causing misery for future generations to be ashamed of.
    I wish the best for you all.

    Comment by sanbeagle — July 23, 2016 @ 8:24 pm

    • Right on. More power to you. That’s why FG has this site. She welcomes both sides. You get people here that get swept up in the furvor of the topic. Jimbo and Jeff are always trying to tear each other’s eyes out. I tell them,I’m gonna book them in at Caesars Palace. 12 rounds. They can get in the ring and beat the living snot out of each other. I ain’t been studying this point of the human timeline that long. I don’t got an opinion one way or another. I’ll probably never reach that point in my life either. This is a very confusing historical subject. I listen to both sides. Sometimes I agree with a comment from the people here that are for the Holo. Other times I’ll agree with a comment made by someone here,that is against the Holo. I’ll look over everything that I learn here,and I might have a decision before I die. People here,don’t f–k around. They get down to the proverbial,”brass tacks”. Helnl a little while back,they were going at it over why,the “Z gas”could or couldn’t move through shower heads. Something like that you’d have to science the living shit out of to come to a conclusion. They start crunching numbers on each other to prove wether the body count is what everyone says it is. These ain’t drunks in the bar that argue over something where their point moot. I tell people here, I thought when I got to Nam shit was confusing. That was easier to figure out than the Holo. Stick around and make valid points. Some people here may not agree with them,but you can still present your case. The good thing about FG,she’ll bring up topics dealing with the Holo,but she’ll always write her posts from an objective view. She’ll tell you she thinks the Holo is BS,but she’ll never let her personal feelings on the subject,come into whatever post she might be writing about when she’s presenting the facts. FG was a journalist before she retired. I always tell her,she’s one of the few remaining journalist,that practice “responsible journalism”. I always tell FG,journalism went to shit after Cronkite visited Nam in ’68. He got on the evening news,opened his piehole and gave his opinion on the war. He was there a couple years before I went to Nam. After I did my tour and left Nam,I realized Cronkite was right. That still don’t change the fact that he was wreckless by doing that. He gave his opinion,when all reporters were supposed to do,was report the facts and let the audience decide. That’s why I juktapose FG with Cronkite. Cronkite was labeled the most trusted man in America . I think he abused that trust when he put “his” opinion in front of the facts. He knew damn near all the people tuned in Cronkite when he did the news. He knew those people would go along with whatever he said. Like i mentioned,FG is a responsible journalist. She reports the facts,and we get to decide

      Comment by Tim — July 23, 2016 @ 10:10 pm

      • Well thanks for responding, yes I can tell FG has been into journalism for the fact the way she does. I look forward to hopping into some of the discussions one day, these help me form an opinion against or for a subject. I love to read and I feel I have tremendous knowleg of past histories and I will post with y’all when ever the opportunity arises.
        PS I still haven’t read on here where the Jewish people were claiming that the same 6 million Jews died in concentration camps in WW1.
        PEACE TO YOU my bro/sis

        Comment by sanbeagle — July 23, 2016 @ 10:19 pm

        • You wrote: “I still haven’t read on here where the Jewish people were claiming that the same 6 million Jews died in concentration camps in WW1.”

          I have never heard any claim that 6 million Jews died in World War I. I wrote about the six million on this blog post:

          https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/did-6-million-jews-really-die-in-the-holocaust-not-according-to-david-irving/

          Comment by furtherglory — July 24, 2016 @ 8:30 am

          • I thought a shitload of Jews proudly fought for Germany in WW 1. They didn’t start showing their ass,till after the war. Are we back to 6 mill today? I thought yesterday it was 4 or 1.5 mill.

            Comment by Tim — July 24, 2016 @ 9:22 am

          • I remember my grandfather telling me about this, I no good at clip and pasting so here’s how to look for it.
            N. Y. Times
            10/29/1919 Felix M. Warburg tells sad plight of the Jews.

            Notice the #6,000,000 here also. You heard it from me first

            Comment by sanbeagle — July 24, 2016 @ 3:09 pm

            • Was your papa in a nazi prison? I’m asking because wolfman ( that’s the nickname I gave him. His real name was Wolf murmenstein. I think that’s his last name you have to ask FG. She knows wolf real good) was a child at one of the nazi prisons. He had some wild shit he used to speak of on here. Some of his stories id believe. Some of his stories seemed like they came straight from the “Twilight Zone”

              Comment by Tim — July 24, 2016 @ 7:43 pm

        • Jump in . That’s what keeps my attention. I’ve got views from both sides . Some day I might even be able to come to my own conclusion on this. You’ll get into heated arguments with the opposition,but at the same time you’ll have people on your side,covering your back. Myself. I usually don’t debate much on this subject. Like I said,I don’t know enough about it. I usually just stick to wanting to understand both sides. I don’t totally buy into what history says about the Holo or Hitler. Something did happen. It was a war. Bad shit happens in war. I’m just trying to come up with,what extent it happened to. Since I don’t browbeat Germans or Nazis,I want to know what happened on both sides. Everybody is so hell bent on making Hitler into Lucifer and all his top people the demonic minions, that they forget,the allies weren’t Angels . Dresden ( I think it was Dresden) got the living shit bombed out of it. So what. They were a city that made military products,for the German war machine. Fine. Bomb all those factories,I don’t give a shit. However,what possible reason could we have had for bombing the residential areas back to the stone age? Churchill put a bug in the ear of Air Marshall Harris when it came to bombing Dresden. Ike’s dumbass went along with it. I’m pretty sure Ike knew that had nothing to do with winning a war. Churchill just wanted payback. He could’ve taken the high road,but he didn’t . He just wanted to see how many innocent non combatants he could murder. 25,000. How many of those were civilians? Don’t get me wrong. I love my military and my country. I did my tour in Nam ( I didn’t figure out till it was too late that something,was really f–led up with our involvement in that war). However I’m not gonna go along with the murder of innocent folks. A better part of the time people will say,”well what about all the dead Jews?” I usually tell them,”what may or not have happened there,I can’t say. Right now I’m talking about all the people the allies murdered (not to mention our one allie “Papa” Joe Stalin had mass murder fine tuned,but that was okay. He was one of us). That’s why I say all this shit is so confusing. To much conflicting information.

          Comment by Tim — July 24, 2016 @ 9:16 am

  2. Baldock is a small country town that lies about 35 miles north of London – but do modern youngsters who attend school there really want to hear all these old stories from over 70 years ago. No one has bothered to check that what Hannah is telling the kids is even true. She was only 6 years old at the time, so her memories will only be fleeting – combined with the enormous amount of time that has elapsed since that period. Surely it’s fair to ask – how much of what she says is factually true.

    In addition, there is the very real problem of “false memory syndrome” when it comes to the holocaust. The sheer amount of propaganda that has been pumped out about this subject, even before WW2 ended – and which has continued into modern times – is bound to shape the minds and memories of those who were involved in this traumatic period of history. So many stories have emerged in books, movies, magazines, news items and documentaries over the decades, that it wouldn’t be at all surprising if these elderly folk having imbibed all this stuff, have unconsciously – or perhaps deliberately – woven it all into their own personal testimonies.

    I just wonder if these old “Jewish survivors” ever go back to Poland and tour round the schools there giving their accounts of the holocaust. But I suspect not – because the Poles only use the Jewish holocaust as a vehicle for their own national agenda – they don’t want any actual Jews back in the country lecturing them about the events of WW2. But Britain (and the USA, maybe Canada too) are very important targets of the “holocaust industry, (or HI)”. It is imperative that young minds are deluged with holocaustianity at an early age in order for the Jewish/Zionist/Israeli/NWO agenda to take firm root in those nations – because, of course, there was no persecution or deportation of the Jews in their countries. In fact, these nations were engaged in fighting Nazi Germany, and thus their populations don’t feel any guilt as to what happened in Europe during the war.

    Therefore – in the eyes of the HI – this situation must change! The entire world must be saturated in the holocaust cult. “Guilt, negligence and sinfulness towards “God’s Chosen People” must be fully absorbed and atoned for by everyone in the world – but especially in those key English-speaking nations that weren’t actually involved in the alleged event.

    Comment by Talbot — July 19, 2016 @ 3:32 am

    • You wrote: “So many stories have emerged in books, movies, magazines, news items and documentaries over the decades, that it wouldn’t be at all surprising if these elderly folk having imbibed all this stuff, have unconsciously – or perhaps deliberately – woven it all into their own personal testimonies.”

      You are absolutely correct.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 19, 2016 @ 6:16 am

  3. Well that shows typhus was alive and well. I’d guess it’s plausible that a typhus epidemic could start. Well we got Typhoid Mary sraying behind with her mother. Why can’t she be moved? I read somewhere that in ’22 in Russia ,25 to 30 million cases of typhus took those Russians out. With numbers that high,I think a lot of the holo can credited to typhus.

    Comment by Tim — July 18, 2016 @ 3:07 pm

  4. The death’s-head symbol was an insignia of the SS, not particularly of the Einsatzgruppe members, who would have worn it ONLY IF they were members of the SS (something I don’t specifically recall just now).

    Comment by Jett Rucker — July 18, 2016 @ 6:36 am

    • You wrote: “The death’s-head symbol was an insignia of the SS, not particularly of the Einsatzgruppe….”

      I wrote about the Einsatzgruppen on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/SScamp/SSHistory.html
      The following quote is from my website:

      At the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal, SS General Ernst Kaltenbrunner testified that there were 13 Stammlager (central concentration camps). One of these camps was Matzgau, located near Danzig; it was a camp where SS guards were imprisoned for offenses such as physical mistreatment of concentration camp prisoners, embezzlement, or theft.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 18, 2016 @ 6:57 am

  5. The story of Hannah Lewis doesn’t make any sense, of course. Being born in 1937, she was only six years old in 1943 when she claims that both she, and her mother, were taken to a labour camp at Adampol, just outside the town of Wlodawa in Eastern Poland. ( Adampol lies less than ten miles away from Sobibor – where it is claimed that during 1942 and 1943 the Nazis were exterminating Jews by the thousands each day )

    We are also told that Jewish children under the age of 15 were automatically selected for death, so one has to ask why Hannah was transferred to a labour camp as late as 1943, when it is alleged that Jewish children had started to be exterminated – en-masse – in a nearby “death camp” a year earlier.

    In addition, Hannah claims that she saw her mother gunned down in the Adampol camp just before it was liquidated on the 13th August 1943. Well, the question is – who then looked after the six year-old Hannah following the death of her mother and the liquidation of the camp. The Red Army only arrived in the Sobibor area during the summer of 1944, when Hannah claims that the Soviet soldiers found her half-starved and lying in a ditch. But please, how could a young child of that age survive on her own for an entire year !

    Comment by Talbot — July 17, 2016 @ 11:21 pm

  6. Actually FG I thought the EG were the ones who went before the army to make sure the roads were safe from the partisans and snipers
    who would slow the army up if they had encountered their resistance.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — July 17, 2016 @ 7:44 pm

    • “Actually FG I thought the EG were the ones who went before the army to make sure the roads were safe from the partisans and snipers
      who would slow the army up if they had encountered their resistance.”

      Actually you are wrong, Jim. I’ve told you this before.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 17, 2016 @ 9:49 pm


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