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July 23, 2016

Did Germany really start World War II?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 9:33 am

I have been having a lengthy discussion, with one of the regular readers of my blog, about who started World War II, Germany or Poland?

Here is the kosher version of the start of World War II, from this kosher website:

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/germans-invade-poland

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116 Comments »

  1. The story presented to us by Jeff K. is about so –called “Jabłonków Incident”.
    This story is not supportedd by any documents.
    The only name out of 70 plainclothed “Abwehr” was of lieutenant of “Abwehr”, who was killed in 1942. German
    The episode had taken place on the border of Slovakia and Poland. There is no proof of involvement of the Germans. “Abwehr” would never launch any operation without order from it’s head Admiral Wilhelm Canaris.
    There are no documents supporting the claim, that Adolf Hitler issued the order to attack Poland on 08/26/1939.

    Comment by Gasan — July 29, 2016 @ 9:47 pm

  2. @ Gasan:

    http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0901.html#article
    New York Times dated 09/01/1939.

    That’s the date of the invasion, by that time it makes sense that the Poles and Germans were shooting at one another.

    You’ve never addressed the fact that Germans crossed into Polish territory on August 26th, only to be called back when Hitler cancelled the invasion.

    You’ve never addressed that the Germans agreed to partition Poland with the USSR on August 23rd, thereby showing the intent to invade.

    You’ve also not addressed why Hitler would announce Polish incursions at 5:00am the next morning if the Poles fired on German targets the night before.

    There, no insults from my end. Do me the same courtesy.

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 9:44 am

    • Who really gives a rats ass about this stuff…..
      How about dealing with the HoloHoax and the fact that the Jews are happy to spread the lie that 6 million of them were killed in fake gas chambers with bug spray….way more interesting than who invaded what at what time.
      The war started and what happened after that is to me more interesting.
      I can see any intelligent discussion on more interesting things is being held up by this stupid discussion.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — July 27, 2016 @ 10:10 am

      • Patience, my friend!
        You will never be able to debunk just “the holocaust story” alone, without dismantling all wartime lies about the National –Socialists.
        That is why it is so important to debunk the lies about who started the war and why.

        Comment by Gasan — July 27, 2016 @ 5:34 pm

        • Gas….
          I’m with ya, now I get it.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — July 27, 2016 @ 5:52 pm

        • “in response to Gasan:

          Patience, my friend! You will never be able to debunk just “the holocaust story” alone, without dismantling all wartime lies about the National –Socialists. That is why it is so important to debunk the lies about who started the war and why.

          Gas….
          I’m with ya, now I get it.”

          Yes, Gasan, you are doing a bang up job of it.

          I wouldn’t waste your time with Jim…….he has no interest or knowledge of history.

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 6:48 pm

      • “Who really gives a rats ass about this stuff…..”

        It’s called real history, Jim. You know, the thing you know nothing about.

        “How about dealing with the HoloHoax and the fact that the Jews are happy to spread the lie that 6 million of them were killed in fake gas chambers with bug spray….way more interesting than who invaded what at what time.”

        Again, it’s both sad….and pathetic……that you can’t even get the denier part of the history you follow right.

        “The war started and what happened after that is to me more interesting.”

        See, this part of the whole, “Jim knows nothing about history, he’s just a squawking parrot” that I go on about.

        “I can see any intelligent discussion on more interesting things is being held up by this stupid discussion.”

        How do you know? You don’t even know what we are talking about.

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 6:02 pm

        • Jeff I find it interesting that you keep coming off about me not knowing nothing about history but how can I have an intelligent discussion about an event that didn’t happen the way you said it happened.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — July 27, 2016 @ 6:05 pm

          • “Jeff I find it interesting that you keep coming off about me not knowing nothing about history but how can I have an intelligent discussion about an event that didn’t happen the way you said it happened.”

            Jim, you can’t refute it because you don’t know what we are talking about.

            Comment by Jeff K. — July 28, 2016 @ 7:05 am

            • Jeff…..How can I know anything about something that didn’t happen.
              You seem to know a lot about something that didn’t happen so who is
              the one out of touch with reality……LOL

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 8:16 am

    • “You’ve never addressed the fact that Germans crossed into Polish territory on August 26th, only to be called back when Hitler cancelled the invasion.”
      I am not familiar with that episode. Never heard of it. Proof, please.
      “You’ve never addressed that the Germans agreed to partition Poland with the USSR on August 23rd, thereby showing the intent to invade.”
      Ever heard the expression: “Deal with reality, or reality will deal with you”?
      Secret protocol was about returning the territories habituated by ethnic minorities of respective countries and returning them the motherland. Besides of millions of Germans who lived in Poland and were experiencing all kinds of abuse, there were millions of Ukrainians and Byelorussians, who had experienced the same.
      More over you forgot that two more countries attacked Poland: Slovakia and Lithuania. The latter returned Vilna district and declared it as new Capital of the country.
      The “secret protocol” was not about complete partition of Poland, only taking back the territories, which belonged to Germany and Russia before the Treaty of Versailles. Complete occupation of Poland was not on the agenda. It happened only because the Polish government fled the country, while ordering the troops to continue the resistance.
      “You’ve also not addressed why Hitler would announce Polish incursions at 5:00am the next morning if the Poles fired on German targets the night before.”
      Adolf Hitler did not know the extent of Polish invasion. Video documentary from Beuten (currently Bytom, Poland) shows clearly the serious damages and it was made a couple of hours after the shelling occurred. Hitler ordered to return fire not at 5:00, not at 5:11, but at 5:45 after all information was gathered.
      And what is the point of launching full-scale attack in the dark?
      No offense, Jeff, but all these topics were discussed on this forum many years ago and numerous times. You would save us lots of times if you just search all you inquiries right in this site.

      Comment by Gasan — July 27, 2016 @ 6:14 pm

      • “You’ve never addressed the fact that Germans crossed into Polish territory on August 26th, only to be called back when Hitler cancelled the invasion.”

        I am not familiar with that episode. Never heard of it. Proof, please.

        http://www.ww2incolor.com/modern/mosty2.html

        http://www.encyclo.co.uk/meaning-of-Jab%C5%82onk%C3%B3w%20Incident

        “You’ve never addressed that the Germans agreed to partition Poland with the USSR on August 23rd, thereby showing the intent to invade.”

        Ever heard the expression: “Deal with reality, or reality will deal with you”?

        Why agree to partition Poland between the two if Hitler’s intentions were peaceful?

        “Secret protocol was about returning the territories habituated by ethnic minorities of respective countries and returning them the motherland.”

        https://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1939pact.html

        Secret Protocol:

        Secret Additional Protocol.

        Article I. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement in the areas belonging to the Baltic States (Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), the northern boundary of Lithuania shall represent the boundary of the spheres of influence of Germany and U.S.S.R. In this connection the interest of Lithuania in the Vilna area is recognized by each party.

        This is the crucial passage:

        “Article II. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement of the areas belonging to the Polish state, the spheres of influence of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narev, Vistula and San.

        In the event…….
        So, we have an agreement to delineate the spheres of influence between the two countries. This is very advanced, we have a borderline agreed to.

        “The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish States and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments.”

        Why are the Germans and Soviets discussing an “independent Polish State?” Poland already existed as an independent nation. Again, we are seeing intent.

        “In any event both Governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly agreement.”

        How nice.

        Article III. With regard to Southeastern Europe attention is called by the Soviet side to its interest in Bessarabia. The German side declares its complete political disinteredness in these areas.

        Article IV. This protocol shall be treated by both parties as strictly secret.
        Moscow, August 23, 1939.
        For the Government of the German Reich v. Ribbentrop

        Plenipotentiary of the Government of the U.S.S.R. V. Molotov

        “Besides of millions of Germans who lived in Poland and were experiencing all kinds of abuse, there were millions of Ukrainians and Byelorussians, who had experienced the same.”

        Why are you not mentioning the Jews? The Poles discriminated against them as well.
        Also, the question is whether or not the ethnic Belorussians and Ukrainians wanted to return to the USSR. Both of those groups were well aware of Stalin’s actions against the ethnic minorities in the USSR. Polish Ukrainians attempted to assist their brethren during the Holdomor and the Soviets refused them. They also attempted to get the word out about the famine conditions during the Holdomor and the world ignored them.
        As for the ethnic Germans, the petty persecutions they suffered did not warrant war……and apparently not an issue with Hitler from 1934-1939 when the Poles and Germans enjoyed a rather friendly relationship. This only changed in the Spring of 1939 when the Poles refused to negotiate over Danzig and the Corridor.

        “More over you forgot that two more countries attacked Poland: Slovakia and Lithuania. The latter returned Vilna district and declared it as new Capital of the country.”

        Are you saying that the Poles attacked them as well?
        They joined in because they stood to benefit…..they also never would have done this on their own.

        “The “secret protocol” was not about complete partition of Poland, only taking back the territories, which belonged to Germany and Russia before the Treaty of Versailles. Complete occupation of Poland was not on the agenda. It happened only because the Polish government fled the country, while ordering the troops to continue the resistance.”

        Actually it happened for these reasons:
        1) Stalin did not want an independent Poland.
        2) The “further political developments” never materialized. A good reason to form an independent Poland was to use it as a bargaining chip. The British insisted that a precursor to negotiations was the withdrawal of German troops from Poland, not the existence of a rump, weak Poland dominated by Germany. Hitler realized that war was going to continue no matter what he did, why bother to form an independent Poland if there was no advantage to it?
        3) This did not fit German plans. Hitler decided to treat Poland as a colony, eliminating Polish elite, exploiting the population and resources for German gain and eventually to drive the Poles and Jews from Poland and replace them with Germans.

        “You’ve also not addressed why Hitler would announce Polish incursions at 5:00am the next morning if the Poles fired on German targets the night before.”

        “Adolf Hitler did not know the extent of Polish invasion.”

        No, he knew the extent of the German invasion because he ordered it. He ordered this attack the previous day at noon.

        “Video documentary from Beuten (currently Bottom, Poland) shows clearly the serious damages and it was made a couple of hours after the shelling occurred. Hitler ordered to return fire not at 5:00, not at 5:11, but at 5:45 after all information was gathered.”

        So, the only thing we have is a YouTube video.
        Why would the Poles attack Germany when they were not fully mobilized?

        “And what is the point of launching full-scale attack in the dark?”

        You do this for cover. This is why Hitler set the invasion to start at 4:45 in the morning.

        “No offense, Jeff, but all these topics were discussed on this forum many years ago and numerous times. You would save us lots of times if you just search all you inquiries right in this site.”

        Blogs and forums often have overlapping entries.
        Besides, if all this was wrong 2, 3, 4 years ago, what difference does it make when I bring it up?

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 29, 2016 @ 11:54 am

      • Sent from my iPhone

        Begin forwarded message:

        From: Jeffrey Kelly
        Date: July 30, 2016 at 2:52:30 PM CDT
        To: brycesdaddy1105@aol.com
        Subject: Fwd: Gasan

        Sent from my iPhone

        Begin forwarded message:

        From: Jeffrey Kelly
        Date: July 30, 2016 at 2:05:48 PM CDT
        To: brycesdaddy1105@aol.com
        Subject: Fwd: Gasan

        Sent from my iPhone

        Begin forwarded message:

        From: Jeffrey Kelly
        Date: July 30, 2016 at 12:24:17 PM CDT
        To: brycesdaddy1105@aol.com
        Subject: Gasan

        The story presented to us by Jeff K. is about so –called “Jabłonków Incident”.
        This story is not supportedd by any documents.
        The only name out of 70 plainclothed “Abwehr” was of lieutenant of “Abwehr”, who was killed in 1942. German
        The episode had taken place on the border of Slovakia and Poland. There is no proof of involvement of the Germans. “Abwehr” would never launch any operation without order from it’s head Admiral Wilhelm Canaris.

        “There are no documents supporting the claim, that Adolf Hitler issued the order to attack Poland on 08/26/1939.

        http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/docpage.cfm?docpage_id=2287

        Really, this whole argument is ridiculous.

        Here is Hitler’s directive for an attack on Poland on September 1st, 1939:

        http://der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/wardirectives/01.html

        The reality is that once Poland refused to bend to Hitler’s will regarding the Corridor and Danzig Germany began preparations for war, starting in the Spring of 1939:

        “11 April 1939 Adolf Hitler Directive for War Against Poland
        OPERATION WHITE

        The present attitude of Poland requires … the initiation of military preparations, to remove if necessary any threat from this direction for ever.

        1. POLITICAL REQUIREMENTS AND AIMS: German relations with Poland continue to be based on the principles of avoiding any disturbances. Should Poland, however, change her policy towards Germany … and adopt a threatening attitude, a final settlement might become necessary in spite of the Treaty in force with Poland.

        The aim then would be to destroy Polish military strength and create in the East a situation which satisfies the requirements of national defense. The Free State of Danzig will be proclaimed a part of the Reich territory at the outbreak of hostilities, at the latest.

        The political leaders consider it their task in this case to isolate Poland if possible, that is to say, to limit the war to Poland only. The development of increasing internal crises in France and resulting British restraint might produce such a situation in the not too distant future. Intervention by Russia, if she were in a position to intervene, cannot be expected to be of any use to Poland, because this would mean Poland’s destruction by Bolshevism. The attitude of the Baltic States will be determined wholly by German military superiority.

        Germany cannot count on Hungary as a certain ally. Italy’s attitude is determined by the Rome-Berlin Axis.

        2. MILITARY CONCLUSIONS: The great objectives in the reconstruction of the German Armed Forces will continue to be determined by the antagonism of the Western Democracies. Operation WHITE constitutes only a precautionary complement to these preparations. It is not to be looked upon in any way, however, as the necessary prerequisite for a military conflict with the Western opponents.

        The isolation of Poland will be all the more easily maintained, even after the outbreak of hostilities, if we succeed in starting the war with sudden, heavy blows and in gaining rapid successes. The overall situation will require, however, that in all cases precautions be taken to safeguard the Western frontier and the German North Sea coast, as well as the air above them. Against the Baltic States&emdash;Lithuania in particular&emdash;security measures are to be carried out in case of a Polish march through this country.

        3. TASKS OF THE ARMED FORCES: The task of the Armed Forces is to destroy the Polish Armed Forces. To this end a surprise attack is to be aimed at and prepared. Camouflaged or open general mobilization will not be ordered earlier than the day before the attack and at the latest possible moment….

        All other frontiers are to be kept under observation only; the Lithuanian frontier is to be covered.

        4. TASKS FOR THE BRANCHES OF THE ARMED FORCES:

        a. ARMY: The operational objective in the East is the annihilation of the Polish Army. For this purpose, the German Army on the Southern flank may enter Slovak territory. On the Northern flank, communication between Pomerania and East Prussia must be established quickly.
        The preparations for the opening of operations are to be made in such a way that, even without waiting for the planned deployment of mobilized units, positions can be taken up by the troops immediately available. A camouflaged assembly of these units just before the day of attack may be provided for. I reserve for myself the decision in this matter….

        b. NAVY: The task of the Navy is the Baltic Sea is as follows:

        1. Destruction and/or elimination of the Polish Naval Forces.
        2. Blockade of all sea-lanes to the Polish naval bases, especially Gdynia….
        3. Suppression of Polish maritime trade.
        4. Securing of the sea-route between the Reich and East Prussia.
        5. Protection of German sea-communications to Sweden and the Baltic States….
        In the North Sea and in the Skagerrak such measures are to be taken as are deemed advisable as precautions against surprise intervention in the conflict by the Western Powers. These measures are to be restricted to the absolute minimum. Their inconspicuousness must be assured. It is of decisive importance to avoid here any sort of action which might aggravate the political attitude of the Western Powers.

        c. AIR FORCE: The Air Force, except for necessary forces left in the West, is to be used for a surprise attack on Poland. Besides destruction of the Polish Air Force in the shortest time possible, the tasks of the German Air Force are principally as follows: … 1. Interference with Polish mobilization and prevention of planned strategic concentrations by the Polish Army. 2. Direct support of the Army….

        TAKING POSSESSION OF DANZIG

        Surprise occupation of the Free State of Danzig may become possible independent of Operation WHITE by exploiting a favorable political situation. Preparations are to be made on the following basis: … Occupation by the Army will be carried out from East Prussia. The Navy will support the action of the Army by intervention from the sea…. The extent to which Air Force units can participate in the occupation will be decided by the Reich Air Minister (Göring).

        Details of cooperation are to be settled directly between the branches of the Armed Forces.

        May 23rd Meeting between Hitler and his generals:

        http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/php/pflip.php?caseid=HLSL_NMT01&docnum=2914&numpages=7&startpage=1&title=Minutes+of+a+Conference+on+23+May+%5B19%5D39+.+.+.+Subject:+Indoctrination+on+the+political+situation+and+future+aims..&color_setting=C

        Yes, I know. The document in question is alleged to be a forgery, however this was discussed and debunked.

        http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=165283

        BTW, this is a picture of the radio station:

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 30, 2016 @ 1:20 pm

  3. Oh, Lord.
    This forum is full of all kind of ignoramuses pretending to have historical knowledge.

    “The Pact was signed in August… In April through July the Germans and Soviets spoke of having political negotiations. In early August of 1939 the Germans and Soviets struck up a economic deal and were both talking of an alliance. Its not that much of a shock that Heydrich foresaw the coming of the alliance, and both Hitler and Stalin knew of the talks…. They are the Leaders of the countries so where in the hell you got the idea they were unaware is unconceivable. “

    The Molotov/Ribbentrop was signed on August 23rd, not a day earlier and only after Soviet-British-French negotiations ended on August 19th with no agreement.

    Maybe Heydrich “foresaw the coming of the alliance”, but was not in position to share his personal opinion with a subordinate and plan such a big provocation with serious political consequences without authorization from Hitler, or Himmler themselves

    “You could expand more on this issue of the “storm microphone”… Alfred explained it was technical difficulties… It was that the station was weak…”

    Do you watch TV, hedgehog? Have you ever received “weather alerts” while watching your favorite Nickelodeon shows?
    “Alfred” (Naujocks) was in idiot and imposter.
    There was no STATION in Gleiwitz. It was very powerful RE-TRANSMIITTER, which was using the tallest wooden tower in Europe. (It was built without a single nail).
    This transmitter has no broadcasting capabilities, only microphone with capabilities to deliver emergency messages to the local area. The messages would interrupt regular broadcast ONLY on the level.
    SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich served number of years in German Navy.
    He must know exactly: how the storm-microphone works vs. regular radio broadcast.

    Comment by Gasan — July 25, 2016 @ 9:32 pm

    • “Oh, Lord.
      This forum is full of all kind of ignoramuses pretending to have historical knowledge.”

      Yes, I know. You and Jim post here.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 25, 2016 @ 9:55 pm

    • I’m trying desperately to understand what you point is in your long posts….
      Are you a revisionist of exterminationist,revolutionist, abolitionist, cremationist, ….sorry lost my train of thought here…..

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — July 26, 2016 @ 8:53 am

      • He cannot read the word “reply”… so there isn’t much else to deal with here. He is just claiming that a witness is unreliable, that’s about it.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 9:35 am

    • “The Molotov/Ribbentrop was signed on August 23rd, not a day earlier and only after Soviet-British-French negotiations ended on August 19th with no agreement.”

      Did you miss what I said? I never said they signed the deal before August 23rd… Just cause the deal wasn’t signed didn’t mean that the Russians and Germans were not conceiving the idea of a Political alliance. In early August they had struck up an economic deal… What do you not understand form this?

      “Maybe Heydrich “foresaw the coming of the alliance”, but was not in position to share his personal opinion with a subordinate and plan such a big provocation with serious political consequences without authorization from Hitler, or Himmler themselves”

      Again as explained the Germans and Soviets signed an economic agreement earlier in august… They started speaking of a political alliance after that… Read the book Feeding the German Eagle: Soviet Economic Aid to Nazi Germany, 1933–1941.

      “Do you watch TV, hedgehog? Have you ever received “weather alerts” while watching your favorite Nickelodeon shows?”

      Gasan, did you ever read?

      ““SPIEGEL: Wie kam das?
      NAUJOCKS: Es war nur ein schwacher Lokalsender, der das Programm des Breslauer Senders auf gleicher Frequenz ausstrahlte. Wer in Berlin auf Gleiwitz einschaltete, hörte Breslau.”

      (Weak Translation)

      Spiegel: How did that happen?

      Naujocks: It was only a weak local stations, which broadcast the program of the Wroclaw transmitter to the same frequency….”

      This is unrelated.

      “There was no STATION in Gleiwitz.”

      This doesn’t need any comments.

      “It was very powerful RE-TRANSMIITTER, which was using the tallest wooden tower in Europe.”

      *Re-Transmitter

      Your source for it being very powerful?

      “This transmitter has no broadcasting capabilities, only microphone with capabilities to deliver emergency messages to the local area. The messages would interrupt regular broadcast ONLY on the level.”

      Alright so your saying the transmitter was used not as a radio station… And that it had no such capability. This seems like a complete joke as it used to broadcast Free Europe back in 1956. It was also used as a radio station by Katowice Radio… You should really contact Andrzej Jarczewski…

      “SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich served number of years in German Navy.
      He must know exactly: how the storm-microphone works vs. regular radio broadcast.”

      What ever you say Gasan.

      “Am Abend des 31.8.1939 überfiel der SS-Sturmbannführer Alfred Naujocks zusammen mit fünf oder sechs in Zivil gekleideten SS-Leuten den Sender Gleiwitz.[1] Das laufende Programm wurde unterbrochen, über den Sender wurde ein Aufstand der polnischen Minderheit ausgerufen.”

      “On the evening of 31/08/1939 the sturmbannführer Alfred Naujocks raided along with five or six plainclothes SS men the Gleiwitz radio station. The current program was interrupted by the transmitter an uprising of the Polish minority was proclaimed.”

      http://www.h-ref.de/krieg/polen/gleiwitz/ueberfall-sender-gleiwitz.php

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 10:06 am

      • ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — July 26, 2016 @ 10:23 am

        • Here we see Jim showing that he doesn’t care about history.

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 10:28 am

          • You wrote: “Here we see Jim showing that he doesn’t care about history.”

            Jim Razoli’s whole life is devoted to history. He has interviewed many people and has gotten their testimony about history.

            Comment by furtherglory — July 26, 2016 @ 10:34 am

            • If his life is devoted to history then he would have known about the T4 program… If his life was devoted to history he then would care about Gleiwitz…

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 10:36 am

              • You wrote: “If his life was devoted to history he then would care about Gleiwitz…”

                What do you think is the significance of Gleiwitz, and why should we care about it?

                This quote is from my website: “On January 18, 1945, the prisoners in the Monowitz concentration camp had been sent on a death march to the Gleiwitz (Gliwice) subcamp near the Czech border, where they boarded trains to such camps as Buchenwald in Germany and Mauthausen in Austria.”

                What was so sinister about saving the Monowitz prisoners by sending them to Gleiwitz?

                Comment by furtherglory — July 26, 2016 @ 10:47 am

                • “What do you think is the significance of Gleiwitz, and why should we care about it?”

                  Its a show of Nazi aggression and is a false flag attack created by the German as a reason to Invade Poland… Its not the only thing the Germans did. They also attacked a Polish Railway as well.

                  “What was so sinister about saving the Monowitz prisoners by sending them to Gleiwitz?”

                  This is rather unrelated. They were most likely sent to KZ Gleiwitz.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 10:51 am

                • You wrote: “Its a show of Nazi aggression and is a false flag attack created by the German as a reason to Invade Poland… Its not the only thing the Germans did. They also attacked a Polish Railway as well.”

                  You are referring to another story about Gleiwitz, which is famous. I wrote about the other story of Gleiwitz on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/alfred-naujocks-and-the-start-of-world-war-ii/

                  Marching the prisoners to Gleiwitz to save them at the end of the war had nothing to do with the other story about Gleiwitz.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 26, 2016 @ 11:00 am

                • As already explained. I am speaking of the false flag.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 5:44 pm

            • Yes, I pretty much spend everyday researching writing information or doing videotaping about HoloHoax history.
              We’re finishing up on the German Survivors telling their side of the story. It’s taken a week to do so.
              I guess it part of who I am now….

              Jim Rizoli

              Comment by jrizoli — July 26, 2016 @ 11:32 am

            • “Jim Razoli’s whole life is devoted to history. He has interviewed many people and has gotten their testimony about history.”

              Then why doesn’t know anything about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?
              Why does he refer to ZB as bug spray?
              For that matter, why does he insist on saying 6 million Jews were killed by bug spray?
              Why does he think the US declared war on Germany?
              Why does he think the Einsatzgruppen PRECEEDED the Wehrmacht into the USSR?
              Why doesn’t he know anything about the T-4 Program?

              I could go one but you get the picture.

              Comment by Jeff K. — July 26, 2016 @ 1:02 pm

          • Good history website below for you….it all comes down to the lie of the six million, once you see how it all came about what else matters….the HoloHoax goes down in a flame of fire. In other words the Holocaust has been Holocausted according to it’s real Jew definition…..
            http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-History&ScripturalOriginOfThe6MillionNumber.html

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — July 26, 2016 @ 10:36 am

            • Again, we see here Jim again doesn’t care about history…. He has almost no understanding of the holocaust… He also has no understanding of HCN.

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 10:38 am

        • “ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz”

          JR

          Pay attention, Jim. You might actually learn something so you will stop embarrassing yourself.

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 26, 2016 @ 12:56 pm

          • I’ve been trying to interview Michelle for the last month with no success but she has sent us this video in the meantime.

            Comment by jrizoli — July 26, 2016 @ 2:21 pm

            • I feel bad for her… Hopefully she will straight out call you an idiot in your interview….

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 7:36 pm

      • If you, hedgehog, are able to conduct the dialogue in civil and respectful manner, you will receive polite responses from me.

        “Alright so your saying the transmitter was used not as a radio station… And that it had no such capability. This seems like a complete joke as it used to broadcast Free Europe back in 1956. It was also used as a radio station by Katowice Radio… You should really contact Andrzej Jarczewski…”

        Where have you read this nonsense? In 1956 Gleiwitz was renamed as Gliwice and was part of communist Poland under the rule of Stalin’s henchman Bolesław Bierut. Do you believe that CIA projects such as Radio “Free Europe”, or Radio “Liberty” would be able to use the transmitter in Stalinist Poland?
        It is my understanding that you are a college student and a female. Is that right?

        Sweetie, Gliwice is a part of Katowice. Ask your geography professor and he will explain to you that Katowice and Gliwice are the parts of very densely populated “Upper-Silesian Metropolitan Area”. Driving distance is a little over 17 miles.

        Comment by Gasan — July 26, 2016 @ 7:20 pm

        • Really? Is that why you challenged Jeffk to a fist fight? The guy who keeps calling me “Hedgehog” as a means of An insult.

          You honestly haven’t been to the museum before… Hell it doesn’t seem like you have even visited the museums website…

          The local government bought the radio station in 2002… “At first it was used to broadcast the programme of the Katowice Radio and to jam Free Europe (up to 1956).”

          -Andrzej Jarczewski

          As said… You should contact Andrzej Jarczewski.

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 7:28 pm

          • Jeff was acting as “A-hole” and continues to do so.
            Can you explain what this sign Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄ means if it is not “hedgehog”? Some sort of sorority symbol, or I miss my guess? No insult intended,
            And again, sweetheart, what was happening in 1956? Gleiwitz was transmitting “Radio Free Europe” or blocking it? .

            Comment by Gasan — July 26, 2016 @ 7:58 pm

            • The symbols on the ends just look odd due to the font that FG has set. When all the symbols are together it forms a butterfly.

              I would recommend reading the Museum page on the history of the tower…

              http://www.radiostacjagliwicka.republika.pl/foldery/FoldeRAng.htm

              Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 8:10 pm

              • The symbols at the ends look clearly as the Russian word ЁЖ (hedgehog). Well, you must have a name. Can I call you Stacy, or you prefer different name?
                I did not find anything new in that link you recommended, This is just the paraphrase of Naujocks’ “testimony”. You should ask yourself a question: why such a notorious person had never been charged with “war crimes”.
                I can offer your something more interesting,

                http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0901.html#article
                New York Times dated 09/01/1939.

                “Berlin, Friday, Sept. 1–An increasing number of border incidents involving shooting and mutual Polish-German casualties are reported by the German press and radio. The most serious is reported from Gleiwitz, a German city on the line where the southwestern portion of Poland meets the Reich.
                At 8 P.M., according to the semi-official news agency, a group of Polish insurrectionists forced an entrance into the Gleiwitz radio station, overpowering the watchmen and beating and generally mishandling the attendants. The Gleiwitz station was relaying a Breslau station’s program, which was broken off by the Poles.
                They proceeded to broadcast a prepared proclamation, partly in Polish and partly in German, announcing themselves as “the Polish Volunteer Corps of Upper Silesia speaking from the Polish station in Gleiwitz.” The city, they alleged, was in Polish hands.
                Gleiwitz’s surprised radio listeners notified the police, who halted the broadcast and exchanged fire with the insurrectionists, killing one and capturing the rest. The police are said to have discovered that the attackers were assisted by regular Polish troops. The Gleiwitz incident is alleged here to have been the signal “for a general attack by Polish franctireurs on German territory.”
                Two other points–Pitsachen, near Kreuzburg, and Hochlinden, northeast of Ratibor, both in the same vicinity as Gleiwitz, were the scenes of violations of the German boundary, it is claimed, with fighting at both places still under way.”

                Not exactly the same story, as we are being told today. Right?

                Comment by Gasan — July 26, 2016 @ 8:48 pm

                • The symbols at the end is what is distorted. You should be able to see a clearer version here.

                  http://store.steampowered.com/curator/5519488-Ƹ%CC%B5̡Ӝ%CC%B5̨̄Ʒ-The-Butterfly-Clan/

                  I would prefer click.

                  He did give testimony at Nuremberg… By doing so he was most likely released without punishment.

                  As well this is a news paper… It’s a third hand source and not a first hand account. As well the claim for the Poles beating the German broadcasters most likely comes from the prisoners whom were brought from Dachau and killed on site… Their faces were smashed in to hide their identity.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 9:36 pm

                • You wrote: “As well the claim for the Poles beating the German broadcasters most likely comes from the prisoners whom were brought from Dachau and killed on site… Their faces were smashed in to hide their identity.”

                  I assume that you are referring to the Gleiwitz incident. What is your source for what you wrote?

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 27, 2016 @ 7:06 am

              • You wrote: “The symbols on the ends just look odd due to the font that FG has set.”

                I have not “set the font” for my blog. This font was “set” by WordPress.

                Comment by furtherglory — July 27, 2016 @ 7:27 am

                • alright.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 27, 2016 @ 11:58 am

                • Just noticed this post form you.

                  “You wrote: “As well the claim for the Poles beating the German broadcasters most likely comes from the prisoners whom were brought from Dachau and killed on site… Their faces were smashed in to hide their identity.”

                  I assume that you are referring to the Gleiwitz incident. What is your source for what you wrote?”

                  Have you read KL by Nikolaus Wachsmann? He speaks of takings prisoners from the concentration camps and creating fake firefights. The Germans took prisoners and shot them along the border. Features were disfigured to make them indistinguishable. Now as for the prisoners from Dachau you can read it in “The Third Reich Day by Day”… As for the smashing in of their faces you can read it in Thomas Laqueur’s essay “Devoted to Terror”.

                  “When a Polish border incursion had to be faked to provide a casus belli for German invasion the camps provided the human props. Inmates were drugged and driven in black Mercedes to where the attack was to be staged. They were dressed in Polish uniforms, then shot and beaten so that their faces were unrecognisable, before being photographed as evidence that an attack had been thwarted.”

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 29, 2016 @ 1:43 pm

        • It is nice to see though that you learned what a “reply” button is.

          Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 26, 2016 @ 7:34 pm

  4. Just reading 1963 interview in “Spiegel” of “perpetrator” Alfred Helmut Naujocks could easily prove the bogus incident in Gleiwitz.

    http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-46172747.html

    A few quotes:

    “NAUJOCKS: Heydrich, der Chef des Reichssicherheitshauptamtes. Anfang August 1939 wurde ich zu ihm bestellt. Er erklärte mir, daß die Teilung Polens zwischen Rußland und Deutschland eine beschlossene Sache ist und daß wir aus rein optischen Gründen gegenüber dem Ausland und dem deutschen Reichsgebiet die Schuld für die kommenden Dinge verlagern müßten. Dabei hätte ich einen Sonderauftrag auszuführen, der als Geheime Reichssache zu behandeln sei: Ich hatte zu einer ganz bestimmten Stunde, einem ganz bestimmten Tag auf einen Auslösungsbefehl hin den Sender kurzfristig zu besetzen, dafür Sorge zu tragen, daß in polnischer Sprache eine Brandrede durch den Rundfunk kommt…
    SPIEGEL: Auslösungsbefehl?
    NAUJOCKS: “Großmutter gestorben” war das Stichwort für die Auslösung der Aktion.

    At the beginning of August of 1939 Heydrich already knew about upcoming Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Hitler and Stalin still did not know it , but Heydrich already had advanced knowledge about dividing Poland between Germany and USSR.
    Moreover, he shared his “knowledge” with subordinate in the rank of major.
    The signal to start the operation was just simple phrase: “Grandmother died”.
    That is just brilliant!

    “SPIEGEL: Hatte Ihr Techniker Schwierigkeiten?
    NAUJOCKS: Ja, er hatte Schwierigkeiten. Wir haben auch nur das Gewittermikrophon nehmen können, das jeder Sender damals hatte. “….

    “SPIEGEL: Haben Sie Vollzugsmeldung nach Berlin durchgegeben?
    NAUJOCKS: Ja, natürlich. Und dabei gab es mächtigen Ärger mit meinem damaligen Chef Heydrich.
    SPIEGEL: Wieso?
    NAUJOCKS: Wegen der Sendung. Heydrich hat sie selbst gar nicht gehört. Er hatte in Berlin gesessen und Gleiwitz eingeschaltet. Aber er hatte nichts gehört, und die Aktionszeit war längst vorüber.
    SPIEGEL: Wie kam das?
    NAUJOCKS: Es war nur ein schwacher Lokalsender, der das Programm des Breslauer Senders auf gleicher Frequenz ausstrahlte. Wer in Berlin auf Gleiwitz einschaltete, hörte Breslau.
    SPIEGEL: Und das war Herrn Heydrich nicht bekannt…
    NAUJOCKS: Es war auch mir nicht bekannt. Und als ich ihn anrief und sagte, es ist alles einwandfrei gelaufen, hat er mich angefahren: “Sie lügen, ich habe die ganze Zeit gewartet!”

    The former Naval officer Reinhard Heydrich had no clue how is “das Gewittermikrophon” operating. Everybody must believe that, correct?

    Comment by Gasan — July 25, 2016 @ 5:52 pm

    • “At the beginning of August of 1939 Heydrich already knew about upcoming Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Hitler and Stalin still did not know it , but Heydrich already had advanced knowledge about dividing Poland between Germany and USSR.
      Moreover, he shared his “knowledge” with subordinate in the rank of major.
      The signal to start the operation was just simple phrase: “Grandmother died”.
      That is just brilliant!”

      The Pact was signed in August… In April through July the Germans and Soviets spoke of having political negotiations. In early August of 1939 the Germans and Soviets struck up a economic deal and were both talking of an alliance. Its not that much of a shock that Heydrich foresaw the coming of the alliance, and both Hitler and Stalin knew of the talks…. They are the Leaders of the countries so where in the hell you got the idea they were unaware is unconceivable.

      “The former Naval officer Reinhard Heydrich had no clue how is “das Gewittermikrophon” operating. Everybody must believe that, correct?”

      You could expand more on this issue of the “storm microphone”… Alfred explained it was technical difficulties… It was that the station was weak…

      “SPIEGEL: Wie kam das?
      NAUJOCKS: Es war nur ein schwacher Lokalsender, der das Programm des Breslauer Senders auf gleicher Frequenz ausstrahlte. Wer in Berlin auf Gleiwitz einschaltete, hörte Breslau.”

      (Weak Translation)

      Spiegel: How did that happen?

      Naujocks: It was only a weak local stations, which broadcast the program of the Wroclaw transmitter to the same frequency….

      Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 7:08 pm

  5. It doesn’t take that much thought FG…. The operations by the Germans were clear aggression’s to the Poles. The Poles saw what happened in 1939 to the Czechs so they had every right to refuse Hitlers demands as he would infringe even more and lead to further demands.

    On the 26 August 1939 along the Polish – Slovak border the Germans decided to attack a rail station in Mosty. (This was a polish railway)

    31 August 1939 the Germans faked a take over of Gleiwitz by Polish

    “Q. Just shortly before the invasion of Poland, did you have anything to do with the creation of a border incident?

    A. At that time, it was my task to construct an attack on the broadcasting station Gleiwitz.”

    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=183104

    Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 9:17 am

    • So what is the point of all this discussion about Hitler invading Poland?
      Does it really matter? Hitler’s main job was to stop the spread of Jew run communism, and he tried like hell to do it.
      But the allies backed the wrong country and he we are today in a world that is run by Communist Atheistic Jews.
      Could it get any worse? We’ll see after the election.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — July 25, 2016 @ 9:30 am

      • No…. His plan was to invade into Russia for “lebensraum”…. Its part of Generalplan ost…

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 9:52 am

      • “So what is the point of all this discussion about Hitler invading Poland?
        Does it really matter? Hitler’s main job was to stop the spread of Jew run communism, and he tried like hell to do it.”

        Jim, there was no “Jew run Communism” for Hitler to stop. By the 1930’s Eastern Europe countries like Poland, Bulgaria and Hungary were right-wing, conservative anti-Communist states. Their native Communist parties existed in exile in the Soviet Union (and were decimated during the Great Purge). Germany did have the largest Communist party in Europe after the USSR but Hitler destroyed the German Communist party after he became Chancellor. The leaders wound up in concentration camps or in exile in the USSR (they also suffered during the Great Purge).
        In fact, Hitler is directly responsible for the spread of Communism in Eastern Europe by invading the USSR in June of 1941. Because he lost the Red Army spread Communism to countries where it did not exist previously.

        “But the allies backed the wrong country and he we are today in a world that is run by Communist Atheistic Jews.”

        WTF are you talking about????

        “Could it get any worse? We’ll see after the election.”

        Yes, it will become worse if Trump becomes president.

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 25, 2016 @ 10:41 am

        • You wrote: “there was no “Jew run Communism” for Hitler to stop.”

          Hitler wanted to expel the Jews because he thought that they were Communists. I wrote about this in this blog post:
          https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/12/01/did-hitler-just-want-to-expel-the-jews-from-europe-or-did-he-want-to-kill-them-all/

          Comment by furtherglory — July 25, 2016 @ 10:47 am

          • “Hitler wanted to expel the Jews because he thought that they were Communists. I wrote about this in this blog post”

            He was wrong. Most German Jews were assimilated patriots who voted for Centrist parties.

            Comment by Jeff K. — July 25, 2016 @ 12:56 pm

            • Jewishness Was International Communism
              — Vladimir Ilich Lenin

              “There the great world-progressive features of Jewish culture stand clearly revealed: its internationalism, its identification with the advanced movements of the epoch (the percentage of Jews in the democratic and proletarian movements is everywhere higher than the percentage of Jews among the population).”

              — Lenin, Vladimir Ilich. “National Culture” in Lumer, Hyman. Lenin on the Jewish Question. International Publishers. New York. 1974, p107, via Philip Mendes, THE NEW LEFT, THE JEWS AND THE VIETNAM WAR, 1965-1972, Lazare Press, North Caulfield, Victoria, Australia, p 9.

              Comment by jrizoli — July 25, 2016 @ 1:02 pm

            • You wrote: “Most German Jews were assimilated patriots who voted for Centrist parties.”

              I wrote about this on this blog post:
              https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/hitler-made-known-his-intentions-regarding-the-jews-from-the-very-beginning/

              Comment by furtherglory — July 25, 2016 @ 2:27 pm

            • “Hitler wanted to expel the Jews because he thought that they were Communists. I wrote about this in this blog post”
              He was wrong. Most German Jews were assimilated patriots who voted for Centrist parties.”

              I have not seen that many “juice” as being as “assimilated patriots” to the United States.
              After they have “blessed” us with their presence in the United States en masse for more than 100 years, they continue to display their loyalty to a little shitty establishment in other hemisphere.

              Comment by Gasan — July 25, 2016 @ 9:51 pm

              • “I have not seen that many “juice” ”

                Juice is something you squeeze from a fruit or avegetable. Apparently you didn’t know that.

                Because you are retarded.

                “as being as “assimilated patriots” to the United States.””

                I didn’t say anything about US Jews, tard.

                Reading comprehension problems?

                “After they have “blessed” us with their presence in the United States en masse for more than 100 years, they continue to display their loyalty to a little shitty establishment in other hemisphere.”

                Oh, you didn’t realize, Israel is not 100 years old. It was founded in 1948.

                You know, I really fail to see why FG is so impressed with you. Your knowledge of history is only slightly better than Jim’s.

                That’s saying something.

                Comment by Jeff K. — July 25, 2016 @ 10:06 pm

                • You wrote: “Because you [Gasan] are retarded.”

                  Please don’t insult Gasan and drive him away. I am very happy to have him commenting here because he is an expert on what we are discussing.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 26, 2016 @ 7:02 am

                • “Please don’t insult Gasan and drive him away.”

                  The insults started from him. If he wants to keep this civil I will as well.

                  “I am very happy to have him commenting here because he is an expert on what we are discussing.”

                  I haven’t seen any evidence of that.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 26, 2016 @ 7:24 am

    • You wrote: “31 August 1939 the Germans faked a take over of Gleiwitz by Polish”

      I wrote about the Gleiwitz attack on this blog post, six years ago:

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/alfred-naujocks-and-the-start-of-world-war-ii/

      Comment by furtherglory — July 25, 2016 @ 10:03 am

      • Alright… There is more to it then just Alfred though, as we do have a recording from the tower. It says “Attention! This is Gliwice. The broad­casting station is in the Polish hands…” but sadly the recording got fucked up after hands.

        The funny thing is they shot Franciszek Honiok…. a Polish Silesian and used his body as evidence. The thing is he was arrested the day right before the incident.

        If you are interested here is a few documents from Nuremberg on it. Though its not the only evidence we have for the attack.

        https://www.fold3.com/image/232386004/1945%7CNaujocks/

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 10:24 am

        • You wrote: “There is more to it then just Alfred though, as we do have a recording from the tower. It says “Attention! This is Gliwice. The broad­casting station is in the Polish hands…” but sadly the recording got fucked up after hands.”

          I was writing about the Gleiwitz attack when you were still wearing diapers:

          https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/alfred-naujocks-and-the-start-of-world-war-ii/

          Comment by furtherglory — July 25, 2016 @ 10:31 am

          • Oh, Really? So you think a college student was a baby back in 2010? Sorry to say Fg, but I understand you wrote about it… I haven’t said anything about your writing… I only pointed out that the Germans arrested a man the day before and somehow his body ended up as evidence for a polish attack on Gleiwitz. So why are you upset?

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 10:45 am

        • No offense Click this is all boring stuff……lets get into the 6 miilion being killed with big spray.
          Of course Kurt the Liar Gerstein said 40 million were originally killed, then 25 million then 15 million the numbers continue to decrease to go along with the present facts, that there were less Jews killed, maybe a few hundred thousand, most likely under 500k.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — July 25, 2016 @ 12:51 pm

          • “No offense Click this is all boring stuff……”

            Of course it’s boring for you, Jim. You don’t understand the history.

            “lets get into the 6 miilion being killed with big spray.”

            Wow, it’s amazing you keep saying that. You aren’t even a very good denier.
            No one, not even deniers, say that 6 million Jews were killed with “bug spray.”
            If you are one of the leading lights for deniers I feel sorry for deniers.
            I’m actually discussing the number of Jewish dead over at the Skeptics Forum. Please don’t bother, you’ll have nothing interesting or intelligent to say about it.

            “Of course Kurt the Liar Gerstein said 40 million were originally killed, then 25 million then 15 million the numbers continue to decrease to go along with the present facts, that there were less Jews killed, maybe a few hundred thousand, most likely under 500k.”

            More Jim drool. You don’t know where those numbers come from, do you?

            Naturally, I say all of this with all due respect.

            Comment by Jeff K. — July 25, 2016 @ 1:03 pm

            • You mentioned “Kurt the Liar Gerstein”

              I wrote about him on this blog post:
              https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/kurt-gerstein-and-heinrich-himmler-both-allegedly-committed-suicide/

              Comment by furtherglory — July 25, 2016 @ 2:34 pm

              • That’s cause they did commit suicide… Their deaths are documented quite well.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 7:20 pm

            • You wrote: “not even deniers, say that 6 million Jews were killed with “bug spray.”

              The claim that 6 million Jews were killed with Zyklon-B (bug spray) was formerly the claim of the True Believers. The number of deaths has gone way down, but the famous 6 million still stands.

              Comment by furtherglory — July 25, 2016 @ 2:44 pm

              • “The claim that 6 million Jews were killed with Zyklon-B (bug spray) was formerly the claim of the True Believers. The number of deaths has gone way down, but the famous 6 million still stands.”

                No, that’s never been the case.

                Comment by Jeff K. — July 25, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

          • Jim… Gerstein has a natural tendency to exaggerate… Its what he did… Your attempts to judge eyewitness testimony has proven faulty… You fail to understand that Gurstein didn’t run these camps nor did he work in them. His memory was based off a days experience at best and wouldn’t be as accurate as other nazis whom worked the camps. You’re numbers of Jews killed at around 500,000 is pure fantasy and one only has to link Hilburgs Einsatzgruppen estimate to surpass it. Even the Believed estimate for those who died in the Ghettos is larger then your estimate.Its believed 800,000 people died in the Ghettos… 1.4 million were killed in shootings. That is 2.2 million Jews killed.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 7:19 pm

  6. Вот и заткни своё хайло, выблядок, раз не можешь ответить на вызов.
    Таких как ты и называют СУКА =BITCH.

    Since you failed to accept my challenge, you have been proven to be “da bitch”.

    Comment by Gasan — July 24, 2016 @ 10:41 pm

    • It’s official.

      You are simply a retarded dumbass.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 10:48 pm

      • As always…

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 25, 2016 @ 9:19 am

  7. Jeff K. wrote:

    “How’s that, bitch?”

    You call me “bitch”?
    Wish we could continue this “dialogue” in person. I would teach you some manners at your own “expense”.
    The discussion is online is over. Let’s meet in person, you asshole. I am in Minnesota.

    Comment by Gasan — July 24, 2016 @ 9:43 pm

    • Jeff K. wrote:

      “How’s that, bitch?”

      “You call me “bitch”?”

      Yes. Do you need that in Russian?

      “Wish we could continue this “dialogue” in person. I would teach you some manners at your own “expense”.”

      So, who’s in high school now? It’s been that long since I’ve been challenged to a fight. That was 30 years ago.

      “The discussion is online is over. Let’s meet in person, you asshole. I am in Minnesota.”

      Are you serious?
      Look, Gasan, I’m having a hard enough time taking you seriously. This is your reaction? Dude, you need an adjustment on your medication. I’m not going to miss work, drive/fly up to Minnesota, all to fight a pouty child who dishes it out but can’t take it.

      Get a grip.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 10:02 pm

      • Ну, а если боишься приехать в Миннесоту, то и нехуй здесь выёбываться, козёл сраный.
        Закончил пиздеть про свой “голохвост”?

        Comment by Gasan — July 24, 2016 @ 10:12 pm

        • Oh, I’m not afraid to come to Minnesota, тупица.

          I’m not going to Minnesota to fight an overly pretentious ass hat who thinks insulting me will make me leave my job and family.

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 10:24 pm

  8. Again, we are dealing with HS kid who is utterly ignorant
    “Be more specific about Hart, what did he say about the invasion of Poland?

    I read his book in Russian. Here are the direct quotes and link:

    “Польская армия насчитывала в своем составе 30 кадровых и 10 резервных дивизий, кроме того, имелось не менее 12 кавалерийских бригад, правда, лишь одна из них была моторизована. Мобилизационные возможности Польши в личном составе были еще более значительными, поскольку она имела около 2,5 млн. обученных, готовых к мобилизации резервистов.”…
    “Германия имела 98 дивизий, в том числе 52 (включая 6 австрийских) кадровые. Из остальных 46 лишь 10 дивизий были боеготовными, но и они в большинстве своем состояли из новобранцев, находившихся на службе всего около месяца. Еще 36 дивизий были укомплектованы главным образом ветеранами Первой Мировой войны — сорокалетними солдатами, малознакомыми с современными оружием и тактикой. Кроме того, эти дивизии испытывали нехватку в артиллерии и других видах вооружения. Чтобы полностью укомплектовать и подготовить эти дивизии, потребовалось много времени — в два раза больше, чем предполагало немецкое командование, весьма обеспокоенное медленным ходом этого процесса.

    В 1939 году немецкая армия не (в тексте опечатка, напечатано “по”, что не имеет смысла) была готова к войне. Командование, полагаясь на заверения Гитлера, не ожидало войны. С предложением Гитлера быстро увеличить численность армии военное руководство согласилось неохотно, ибо предпочитало накапливать подготовленные кадры постепенно. Однако Гитлер неоднократно заверял своих генералов в том, что для подобной подготовки будет достаточно времени, поскольку он не хочет рисковать и начинать «большую войну» раньше 1944 года. Не более благополучно обстояло дело с вооружением, темп оснащения войск явно отставал от роста их численности.”

    “Некоторое время Гитлер был склонен считать Польшу младшим партнером при условии, что она вернет ему порт Данциг и гарантирует Германии свободный проход в Восточную Пруссию через Польский коридор. В создавшихся условиях это было удивительно умеренное требование со стороны Гитлера. Однако в ходе переговоров Гитлер обнаружил, что поляки упорно отказываются пойти на подобные уступки и даже вынашивают необоснованную идею о собственном могуществе. И все же Гитлер продолжал надеяться, что в дальнейшем Польша станет сговорчивее. 25 марта Гитлер в беседе с главнокомандующим сухопутными войсками заявил, что «не хочет решать, вопрос о Данциге путем применения силы». Однако неожиданный маневр Англии, последовавший за новым шагом Гитлера, изменил это решение.”

    http://lib.rus.ec/b/174062/read
    Now, show us your competence Jeff K.

    Comment by Gasan — July 24, 2016 @ 6:57 pm

    • “Польская армия насчитывала в своем составе 30 кадровых и 10 резервных дивизий, кроме того, имелось не менее 12 кавалерийских бригад, правда, лишь одна из них была моторизована. Мобилизационные возможности Польши в личном составе были еще более значительными, поскольку она имела около 2,5 млн. обученных, готовых к мобилизации резервистов.”…
      “Германия имела 98 дивизий, в том числе 52 (включая 6 австрийских) кадровые. Из остальных 46 лишь 10 дивизий были боеготовными, но и они в большинстве своем состояли из новобранцев, находившихся на службе всего около месяца. Еще 36 дивизий были укомплектованы главным образом ветеранами Первой Мировой войны — сорокалетними солдатами, малознакомыми с современными оружием и тактикой. Кроме того, эти дивизии испытывали нехватку в артиллерии и других видах вооружения. Чтобы полностью укомплектовать и подготовить эти дивизии, потребовалось много времени — в два раза больше, чем предполагало немецкое командование, весьма обеспокоенное медленным ходом этого процесса.

      В 1939 году немецкая армия не (в тексте опечатка, напечатано “по”, что не имеет смысла) была готова к войне. Командование, полагаясь на заверения Гитлера, не ожидало войны. С предложением Гитлера быстро увеличить численность армии военное руководство согласилось неохотно, ибо предпочитало накапливать подготовленные кадры постепенно. Однако Гитлер неоднократно заверял своих генералов в том, что для подобной подготовки будет достаточно времени, поскольку он не хочет рисковать и начинать «большую войну» раньше 1944 года. Не более благополучно обстояло дело с вооружением, темп оснащения войск явно отставал от роста их численности.”

      “Некоторое время Гитлер был склонен считать Польшу младшим партнером при условии, что она вернет ему порт Данциг и гарантирует Германии свободный проход в Восточную Пруссию через Польский коридор. В создавшихся условиях это было удивительно умеренное требование со стороны Гитлера. Однако в ходе переговоров Гитлер обнаружил, что поляки упорно отказываются пойти на подобные уступки и даже вынашивают необоснованную идею о собственном могуществе. И все же Гитлер продолжал надеяться, что в дальнейшем Польша станет сговорчивее. 25 марта Гитлер в беседе с главнокомандующим сухопутными войсками заявил, что «не хочет решать, вопрос о Данциге путем применения силы». Однако неожиданный маневр Англии, последовавший за новым шагом Гитлера, изменил это решение.”

      http://lib.rus.ec/b/174062/read
      Now, show us your competence Jeff K.”

      Did you think I would be intimidated by the Russian?

      Hart’s numbers for the Poles, 2.5 million, is a little misleading. This was at full mobilization, however the Poles never fully mobilized themselves by August 31st. The French pressured the Poles to halt their mobilization, the maximum number of Poles mobilized for the invasion was about 900,000 and many of them were ill-equipped.
      You also have to look at the disparity between equipment.

      The Germans had the following:

      9,000 guns (artillery)
      2,750 tanks,
      2,315 aircraft

      The Poles had the following:

      4300 guns (artillery)
      880 tanks,
      400 aircraft

      The Polish tanks and aircraft were obsolete.

      The Germans had 1.5 million soldiers, with about 50,000 Slovaks included.

      How’s that, bitch?

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 8:06 pm

  9. I am getting the impression that we are dealing a HS kid here, who keeps displaying his utter ignorance:

    “Soviet offensive capabilities were laughable, see the Winter War with Finland,”

    USSR still had won that so-called “Winter War” under extremely harsh weather conditions and a great loss of personnel.
    The 44th riflemen division of Red Army was ambushed on the narrow road due to incompetence of the commanders, who were publicly executed in front of the survivors of the unit.
    But that was just the single episode.
    Read more!

    “The Soviets were in no shape to invade anyone, the war with Finland proved that.”

    The Soviets concentrated 192 divisions concentrate on the borders with Germany and Rumania as of 06/22/1941.
    The Soviets had over 24,000 tanks vs. 3300 German tanks as of 06/22/1941.
    The Soviet tanks “KV” (“Kliment Voroshilov”) and “T-34” were superior to any other tank produced anywhere in the world at that time.

    Read Viktor Suvorov’s “The Icebreaker” and “Day-“M”).

    Comment by Gasan — July 24, 2016 @ 6:41 pm

    • “I am getting the impression that we are dealing a HS kid here, who keeps displaying his utter ignorance:”

      I think I’m dealing with utter retard who doesn’t answer questions.

      Oh, wait, I’m not supposed to call you retarded. Even though you are. Retarded, that is.
      On second thought, it’s an insult to the mentally disabled and mentally challenged to call you retarded, they actually function better in the real world than you do.

      “Soviet offensive capabilities were laughable, see the Winter War with Finland,”

      “USSR still had won that so-called “Winter War” under extremely harsh weather conditions and a great loss of personnel.
      The 44th riflemen division of Red Army was ambushed on the narrow road due to incompetence of the commanders, who were publicly executed in front of the survivors of the unit.”

      Thank you for proving my point. It took the Soviets from November to 1939 until March 1940 to conquer a tiny country. It only did so after deploying massive numbers, almost a million men, against a Finnish Army that had about 350,000at its height.

      The Finns had 32 obsolete tanks, the Soviets 6,000.
      The Finns had about 100 obsolete planes, the Soviets about 3,000.

      Even with all that firepower it took the Soviets 5 months to conquer Finland. Just as a comparison, took the Germans about 6 weeks to conquer France, a much better armed foe. Oh, not just France, the Germans also conquered Belgium and the Netherlands AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME.

      “But that was just the single episode.
      Read more!”

      Yes, continue to show your ignorance. It’s very amusing.

      “The Soviets were in no shape to invade anyone, the war with Finland proved that.”

      “The Soviets concentrated 192 divisions concentrate on the borders with Germany and Rumania as of 06/22/1941.
      The Soviets had over 24,000 tanks vs. 3300 German tanks as of 06/22/1941.”

      Yes, and the Germans still tore through them like butter. The numbers you prattle on about include inexperienced troops and officers. They were ill-equipped and poorly led. When Zhukov brought up a preemptive strike in May of 1941 Stalin shot him down.

      Also, 24,000 tanks SOUNDS like a lot but the majority of them were inferior BT-7 light tanks, T-26, 27, 35 tanks that were inferior to the T-34. There were 900 T-34 and about 500 KV tanks operational at the time of the invasion.

      “The Soviet tanks “KV” (“Kliment Voroshilov”) and “T-34” were superior to any other tank produced anywhere in the world at that time.

      They would become that but only after the Soviets produced enough of them to make a difference. That did not exist in June 1941.

      “Read Viktor Suvorov’s “The Icebreaker”

      I don’t have to, it’s thoroughly discredited.

      “and “Day-“M”).”

      Never heard of it….but since it’s by the same author I’ll ignore it, too.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 7:43 pm

  10. “Besides just linking to one of FG’s old articles, what other proof or evidence do you have?”

    Read the report of Polish Ambassador to the US count Jerzy Potocki.
    Read the books of B. H. Liddell Hart.

    I have translated that prerecorded Polish war radio announcement.
    I have all the proofs I need.
    Get it?

    Comment by Gasan — July 24, 2016 @ 5:47 pm

    • You mean, this silly BS?

      http://www.henrymakow.com/2014/09/How-Jewish-Media-Duped-Americans.html

      Be more specific about Hart, what did he say about the invasion of Poland?

      No, I do not “get it.”

      If you have evidence present it so I can look at it.

      Until then your arguments are piss-poor denier BS.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 5:57 pm

      • You wrote: “Until then your arguments are piss-poor denier BS.”

        I would not call Gasan a “denier”. He is an expert on history. He has helped me a lot in understanding the Holocaust.

        Comment by furtherglory — July 24, 2016 @ 6:22 pm

  11. Did Germany really start WWII? Did the Pol’s brutalize, rape and murder scores of ethnic Germans in their midst prior to the war? Were they induced by Britain’s empty guaranty, at the instigation of Roosevelt, to ignore Germany’s offer of a non-agression pact if they would address those atrocities along with settling the corridor issue and freeing the ethnic German majority city of Danzig? Prior to entering the war, did the American navy track German submarines’s and report positions to the British? Did they try various ploys including the shelling of German vessels in order to provoke Germany into retaliating? Why is there no criticism what so ever for Britain’s unsuccessful invasion of non-beligerant Norway? Only then did the Germans enter Norway to thwart the British. Why weren’t the British charged at Nuremberg for this aggression? Why were the Germans charged for preventing British aggression? Why is there no criticism of the unprovoked attack and occupation of Iran by Britain and the Soviet Union, or the attack and occupation of non-beligerant Vichy controlled Syria, or the American occupation of Iceland? Why is there not similar criticism of the Soviets who had no reason to invade Poland? Were the Soviets on the brink of attacking Germany with the intent of Sovietizing all of Europe? Did the Germans preempt the Soviets and thus really save Western Europe from the Gulag? Why is there such an emphasis placed on blaming Germany for a relatively few wars in comparison to the endless wars and clandestine military actions that America and Britain have engaged in, without comparable vitriol?

    Comment by John Mortl — July 24, 2016 @ 12:36 pm

    • “Did Germany really start WWII?”

      Technically, no. Really the hostilities started with the Sino-Japanese war that started in 1937.
      But, on the European side, yes, the Germans started the European conflict.

      “Did the Pol’s brutalize, rape and murder scores of ethnic Germans in their midst prior to the war?”

      Proof. Not German propoganda, real proof.

      “Were they induced by Britain’s empty guaranty, at the instigation of Roosevelt,”

      Now, this is interesting. Please provide proof.

      “to ignore Germany’s offer of a non-agression pact if they would address those atrocities along with settling the corridor issue and freeing the ethnic German majority city of Danzig?”

      Actually, the Germans offered a real alliance, including a guarantee of the British Empire, if the British would drop the Poles. The reality is this was just smoke and mirrors. The British realized this was just an empty German gesture, like the guarantee of Czech borders. The British had no reason to trust Hitler.

      “Prior to entering the war, did the American navy track German submarines’s and report positions to the British?”

      Yes, they did.

      “Did they try various ploys including the shelling of German vessels in order to provoke Germany into retaliating?”

      Yes, they did.

      “Why is there no criticism what so ever for Britain’s unsuccessful invasion of non-beligerant Norway?”

      Wrong, John. There were PLANS to do this, nothing more. The British did start deploying mines in Norwegian waters which triggered the German response….but the German Navy itself started planning for the invasion of Norway in January of 1940 so there is culpability on both sides.

      “Only then did the Germans enter Norway to thwart the British. Why weren’t the British charged at Nuremberg for this aggression? Why were the Germans charged for preventing British aggression?”

      Was any German actually charged with the invasion of Norway? I believe that the British dropped the matter when the German defense team at Nuremberg requested British documents regarding the planned invasion of Norway.
      Please provide proof if any German was prosecuted for this.

      “Why is there no criticism of the unprovoked attack and occupation of Iran by Britain and the Soviet Union,”

      A response to German moves in the region, which is perfectly acceptable. See Norway, John.

      “or the attack and occupation of non-beligerant Vichy controlled Syria, or the American occupation of Iceland?”

      A response to German/Italian moves in the region, again, perfectly acceptable.

      “Why is there not similar criticism of the Soviets who had no reason to invade Poland?”

      The Soviets actually were responding to GERMAN requests in September 1939 to fulfill the secret protocols contained in the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.

      As for reaction, the British did consider declaring war but the Polish Treaty specified an attack by Germany, not the USSR.

      “Were the Soviets on the brink of attacking Germany with the intent of Sovietizing all of Europe?”

      No. Soviet offensive capabilities were laughable, see the Winter War with Finland, John.

      “Did the Germans preempt the Soviets and thus really save Western Europe from the Gulag?”

      No. See above. The Soviets were in no shape to invade anyone, the war with Finland proved that.
      Now, the Soviets did better against the Japanese but the Japanese had very poor tanks and tank doctrine than the Soviets.

      “Why is there such an emphasis placed on blaming Germany for a relatively few wars in comparison to the endless wars and clandestine military actions that America and Britain have engaged in, without comparable vitriol?”

      Don’t remember the Vietnam War protests, John?

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 2:21 pm

      • Paul Rassinier tells the truth about the war and what happened in the camps for all those interested…..
        Before the HoloHuxsters distorted the story with all their Jewish propaganda and lies.
        http://www.ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking.html

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — July 24, 2016 @ 2:37 pm

        • “Paul Rassinier tells the truth about the war and what happened in the camps for all those interested…..
          Before the HoloHuxsters distorted the story with all their Jewish propaganda and lies.
          http://www.ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking.html

          What does this have to do with Germany’s invasion of Poland?

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 2:59 pm

          • Still a great read while contemplating whether Hitler was Riight or wrong about going into Poland.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — July 24, 2016 @ 3:11 pm

      • You wrote: “German units actually invaded Poland on August 26th, so EVEN IF the Poles fired on German targets on August 31st this could be legitimate because the German violation constituted a declaration of war.”

        What is your source for the statement that Germany invaded Poland on August 26th?

        Comment by furtherglory — July 24, 2016 @ 4:22 pm

  12. I thought Hitler and Stalin had shit worked out from day one. Hitler would invade from the west. Stalin would move from the east. If Papa Joe had filthy hands too,how could they drop it all in Hitlers lap. Something’s really f–ked up with that

    Comment by Tim — July 24, 2016 @ 9:53 am

  13. DanKelso – you mentioned the Hossbach Protocol. That document has been falsified –
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8055

    There are many quotes attributed to Hitler that are fake or taken out of context such as those in the book Hitler Speaks (aka The Voice of Destruction) –
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8451

    Comment by Les — July 24, 2016 @ 9:33 am

  14. Reblogged this on The Stoker's Blog and commented:
    The role of UKplc this passed 500 years is to cause all the wars whilst looking like victim/defender. All the while claiming to be the defender of something “good” whilst really being the purveyor of mass murder. Jack the Ripper in a Ronald MacDonald outfit.

    Comment by thestoker — July 24, 2016 @ 8:01 am

  15. The definitive book on the subject is “1939 the war with many fathers” by Gerd Schulze-Rhonhof.

    Comment by Schlageter — July 24, 2016 @ 3:33 am

  16. The Poles have lied also about the time of invasion in their propaganda.

    https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/youtube-video-proves-that-hitler-did-not-start-wwii/

    Comment by Gasan — July 23, 2016 @ 4:53 pm

    • Besides just linking to one of FG’s old articles, what other proof or evidence do you have?

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 12:12 pm

      • “Besides just linking to one of FG’s old articles, what other proof or evidence do you have?”

        Read the report of Polish Ambassador to the US count Jerzy Potocki.
        Read the books of Liddell Hart.

        I have translated that prerecorded Polish war radio announcement.
        I have all the proofs I need.
        Get it?

        Comment by Gasan — July 24, 2016 @ 5:38 pm

  17. Huh. I just found a copy of David Irving’s “The War Path.”

    Maybe I can find a copy of “Hitler’s War,” see what the fuss is about…..

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 23, 2016 @ 4:30 pm

  18. The “Gleiwitz incident” is a bogus story created after the war.
    There were never “dead concentration camp prisoners in Polish uniforms to serve as further evidence of the supposed Polish invasion”.
    At the location of Gleiwitz radio transmitter was found the body of ethnic Pole and German citizen Franziszek Honiok, who was well-known local polish sympathizer and troublemaker.
    Gleiwitz did not have radio station; only so-called “storm microphone”.
    Honiok used it for his inflammatory rant in Polish for about 5 minutes.
    His message could not be broadcasted anywhere outside Gleiwitz area.
    One should assume that SS/Gestapo officers would have knowledge of the capability of Gleiwitz transmitter.

    “They also left behind a handful of dead concentration camp prisoners in Polish uniforms to serve as further evidence of the supposed Polish invasion, which Nazi propagandists publicized as an unforgivable act of aggression.”

    This is another bogus claim. “Nazi propagandists” had never “publicized anything of that kind. They have never showed the pictures of dead people in polish uniform and never mentioned it anywhere.

    Anybody have seen those pictures, or could present articles in the German newspapers mentioning dead people in polish uniform?

    Comment by Gasan — July 23, 2016 @ 4:29 pm

  19. 2 countries invaded Poland in 1939 – Germany and the Soviet Union. If you look at the map the Soviets took more territory than the Germans. So if the media is going to blame Hitler it should also blame Stalin equally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

    There is a dispute about the Gleiwitz incident – https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7282

    A thread on the causes of WW2 with a link to a documentary Hitler’s War What The Historians Neglect To Mention –
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7456

    Comment by Les — July 23, 2016 @ 3:42 pm

  20. Hitler used a false flag lie to attack Poland in 1939. Its called the Gleiwitz incident.
    Here’s the info about it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

    Comment by DanKelso (@DanKelso1) — July 23, 2016 @ 3:39 pm

  21. This article is nothing but pro-Hitler propaganda. Hitler always intended to attack Poland. He had always preached that Germany needed more territory, and would find it in the East — Poland borders Germany on the East/

    In 1937, in a speech to high German officers, Hilter made clear his intention to start a war. General Hossbach made notes of this secret meeting, which is now called the Hossbach memorandum. Google Hossbach memorandum.

    The Germans soon initiated a propaganda campaign against Poland, claiming that (for some reason) Poland was killing ethnic Germans on its territory. This is spite of Poland’s knowledge that Germany had been building up its armed forces and was far more war ready than Poland.

    Hitler’s excuse to attack Poland was that the German minority in Poland was in great danger. This was false. The Poles did not suddenly take it into their heads to begin attacking ethnic Germans. Poland did not want war with Germany. That is why it signed an alliance with Britain and France: to deter a German attack.

    The Germans invaded Poland on September 1/39. 18 days later, Poland surrendered.While the Poles had fought with courage to defend their country, they were completely outclassed by Germany’s armed forces.

    The Nazis then divided Poland, incorporating a large chunk of it into the Reich; another large chunk was occupied by the USSR under the treaty signed only a week before the invasion by Germany and the USSR. A third chunk was called, not Poland or any other historic name for the region, but by the bureaucratic invented word” General government”.

    Hitler’s plan was to kill off all Poles capable of providing leadership, and force the rest of the people into the status of illiterate peasants serving the Germans as slaves. The large Jewish minority was to be evacuated from the Germanized portions of Poland and sent to the General government, though no preparations had been made to receive them.

    These policies, which were to evolve over time into the Holocaust, were carried out with the utmost brutality, including mass murder of Jews.

    This is the real story of Nazi aggression against Poland.

    Comment by DanKelso (@DanKelso1) — July 23, 2016 @ 3:35 pm

    • http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~mkinnear/Hossbach%20memorandum.pdf

      I’ve posted a copy of the Hossbach Memorandum above.

      It does not mention the Poles specifically, it is concerned with Austria and Czechoslovakia.

      In 1937 the Germans and Poles enjoyed a very good relationship, this only soured in the Spring of 1939 when the Poles refused to negotiate over Danzig and the Corridor and turned to the British (and later the French) for protection.

      Other than that you are correct, Germany did invade Poland on very trumped up circumstances.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 23, 2016 @ 4:01 pm

    • Dan, I’m not a Holocaust denier and I’m sympathetic towards Jews and Isreal. On a personal level, though, I dislike extremists on both sides. Jews do not have the right to trample on the rights of Palestinians (or anyone else, for that matter) but I have no sympathy for terrorists who murder the innocent for political gain.

      No offense. I simply wanted to make my views known to you since you linked back to your Twitter account.
      You can expect much more hostile views than mine. This is a denier blog, most of the people that post here loath Jews and Isreal.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 23, 2016 @ 4:09 pm

      • Eah is a bit full of himself.

        most of the people that post here loath Jews and Isreal

        So I’m ‘full of myself’, yet you take it upon yourself to characterize “most” of those who may write comments on this blog — perhaps the worst thing about you is that you seem completely oblivious to your abject stupidity and hypocrisy.

        I simply wanted to make my views known to you

        And for some reason you couldn’t do that without pigeonholing “most” people who comment here? — I’m ‘full of myself’, yet you want to be sure to let this guy know your views?

        It’s un-fucking believable, you hypocritical ass.

        loath Jews and Isreal

        The verb is loathe, not “loath” — Israel, not “Isreal” — ‘most of the people who post here’, not “that” — moron.

        I have been having a lengthy discussion, with one of the regular readers of my blog

        What the hell for? — has (the person who now comments as) “Jeff K” ever seemed amenable to facts or rational argument? — you must have a lot of time to waste.

        Comment by eah — July 24, 2016 @ 11:43 am

        • It’s cute when you act up.

          Do you need a diaper change or did you drop your binkie?

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 11:50 am

        • “And for some reason you couldn’t do that without pigeonholing “most” people who comment here? — I’m ‘full of myself’, yet you want to be sure to let this guy know your views?”

          I’ll say what I want whenever I choose to.
          If you don’t like it you can go pout in a corner.

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 12:17 pm

  22. Of course the Jew Holohuxsters want you to think Evil Hitler invaded Poland to start his take over of the world….
    Good to see some people out there know the real reason why.
    http://www.thefuhrerbunker.com/WWII.htm

    Comment by jrizoli — July 23, 2016 @ 11:44 am

  23. The “actual history” is a big lie. Hitler ordered “to return fire” at 5:45 AM, not 4:45. The polish hostilities started at 8:00 PM the previous night and continued all night long.
    The Poles opened fire at German towns of Gleiwitz, Beuten and Hindenburg.
    Watch “Die Deutsche Wochenshau”.

    Comment by Gasan — July 23, 2016 @ 10:41 am

    • “The “actual history” is a big lie. Hitler ordered “to return fire” at 5:45 AM, not 4:45. The polish hostilities started at 8:00 PM the previous night and continued all night long.”

      Why would the Poles do such a thing when they delayed their mobilization at the request of the French and British?
      Why would Hitler wait so long to make an announcement if the Poles fired on German targets the previous evening?

      “The Poles opened fire at German towns of Gleiwitz, Beuten and Hindenburg.
      Watch “Die Deutsche Wochenshau”.

      Is there any other evidence that you’d like to provide, other than a German Newsreel?

      Your timeline makes no sense. If the Poles did fire on German targets at 8:00pm on August 31st then Hitler would not have waited so long to make an announcement.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 23, 2016 @ 10:53 am

  24. So, nothing you’ve posted disagrees with actual history.
    Frankly I’ll continue to believe actual history over a YouTube video.

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 23, 2016 @ 9:52 am

    • You wrote: “I’ll continue to believe actual history”

      “actual history” is the Jewish version of history, not the history of what actually happened. People in 20 countries are required by law to believe in the Jewish version of history. In America, we are still allowed to believe the non-Jewish version of history, but not for long.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 24, 2016 @ 8:07 am

      • “actual history” is the Jewish version of history, not the history of what actually happened. People in 20 countries are required by law to believe in the Jewish version of history. In America, we are still allowed to believe the non-Jewish version of history, but not for long.”

        What does this have to do with the invasion of Poland?

        So far the only evidence I’ve seen is Gasan’s posturing and a rather dubious YouTube video.
        I’ll repeat this again:
        If the Poles started firing on German targets the night before, why would Hitler wait until 5 the next morning to make this announcement?

        The Poles were not ready for war, they stopped their mobilization due to British and French pressure.

        Also, I’ve already pointed out that German units actually invaded Poland on August 26th, so EVEN IF the Poles fired on German targets on August 31st this could be legitimate because the German violation constituted a declaration of war.

        You’ve also failed to address the fact that on August 23rd the Germans and Soviets signed a non-aggression pact which included secret protocols to split Poland between them. Why would Germany agree to such a thing if they had no intentions of invading Poland in the near future?

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 24, 2016 @ 12:27 pm


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