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July 26, 2016

Oops, wrong use of photo in Holocaust article

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 8:15 am
Kenny Wodzanowski, group leader for World Youth Day pilgrims from the Diocese of Brooklyn, N.Y., walks with his rosary alongside prisoners' barracks during a July 25 visit to the Birkenau Nazi concentration camp in Oswiecim, Poland. (CNS photo/Bob Roller) See WYD-AUSCHWITZ-PILGRIMS July 25, 2016.

Kenny Wodzanowski, group leader for World Youth Day pilgrims from the Diocese of Brooklyn, N.Y., walks with his rosary alongside prisoners’ barracks during a July 25 visit to the Birkenau Nazi concentration camp in Oswiecim, Poland. (CNS photo/Bob Roller) See WYD-AUSCHWITZ-PILGRIMS July 25, 2016.

The barracks shown in the photo above are not “prisoners’ barracks.” These barracks, located just inside the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, were the quarantine barracks, where prisoners were held for a few weeks until it was determined that they did not have any disease which would spread to the entire camp. The purpose of these barracks was to save lives.

The quarantine barracks

Quarantine barracks at Birkenau

The photo above shows the wooden barrack buildings in BIIa, the Quarantine section, at Auschwitz-Birkenau. These are prefabricated horse barns, which were typically used in concentration camps, and also used for army barracks, because they were easy to put up and to take down.

In the background, you can see the vast forest of brick chimneys, which is all that is left of the barracks buildings on the north side of the Birkenau camp. The Quarantine section faces a busy public road that runs north and south past the Birkenau camp.

Quarentine barracl. as seem from top of gate tower

Quarantine barracks, as seem from the top of Birkenau gate tower

Tourists, who take a guided tour of Birkenau, are typically taken first to these barracks, which are just inside the camp as you enter. Of course, they are not told that the purpose of these barracks was to save lives.

The information, given on all the display boards, makes it clear that the Nazis did nothing humane: the prisoners were allegedly housed in the Quarantine camp in order to establish discipline, not to stop the spread of disease, according to the display board. The hair was allegedly cut from the heads of the incoming prisoners to humiliate them, not to control the lice which spreads typhus.

When I visited Birkenau in 2005 and again in 2007, practically every sign in the camp made a point of mentioning the gas chambers and emphasizing the fact that the Jews were sent immediately to the gas chamber, rather than being registered in the camp. There are no death records for the Jew who were not registered, so there is no way of knowing how many Jews were murdered.

During World War I, four million people had died from typhus in Poland, and fifty million world-wide had died from the Spanish flu. At Birkenau, there was a grave danger of an epidemic spreading to the SS guards in the camp, or even to the German soldiers fighting on the Eastern front. This was the reason for isolating new prisoners in the Quarantine barracks for a period of time.

On December 28, 1942 a directive was issued to all the Nazi concentration camps which included this statement: “The Reichsführer SS [Heinrich Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced.”

This order referred to the death rate from typhus and other diseases. Yet, according to today’s Holohoaxers, the prisoners who were saved from disease were then allegedly gassed — in underground chambers that looked like crematories for dead bodies.

My photo of the quarantine barracks at Birkenau

My photo of the quarantine barracks at the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp

120 Comments »

  1. @Jim Rizoli:

    “How about explaining to me why you never see bodies of dead children or even children up to the age 15 in any of the pictures”

    Why do you think the Germans would take pictures of dead children?

    “so you know what that tells me that tells me they weren’t killed very simple”

    Wow, your rules of evidence are pathetic.
    Just because we don’t have pictures of dead children means those children survived? Huh?

    “out of all the millions pictures and documents where is a picture of a child that was killed in a gas chamber or anyone actually that was killed in a homicidal gas chamber.”

    Why would the Germans take pictures of people they murdered in gas chambers? Better yet, if such pictures existed, wouldn’t the Germans destroy those pictures first?

    How about this, Jim:

    If this was all a hoax, why don’t we have pictures? Plenty of dead bodies around at the end of the war, why not use some of them as proof of gassing?
    Why no fake film? Easiest thing in the world, have people dressed as prisoners, film them walking into a “gas chamber,” show the after effects. It’s all B & W, no need for elaborate makeup.
    The only film I know is a film taken in Mogilev involving a gassing with car exhaust….even then we do not see the victim afterwards.

    “I guess there’s nobody taking pictures that day.”

    Better to say that even if such pictures or films exist they were destroyed.

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

    • There are plenty of movies that depict the fake gassing story…..
      No pictures…..pretty much NO proof.
      If you can have pictures of adults on the dround etc…there has to be pictures of children.
      What do you think they separated the bodies by age? LOL
      There were NO pictures because there were NO children killed.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — July 27, 2016 @ 12:44 pm

      • “There are plenty of movies that depict the fake gassing story…..
        No pictures…..pretty much NO proof.
        If you can have pictures of adults on the dround etc…there has to be pictures of children.
        What do you think they separated the bodies by age? LOL
        There were NO pictures because there were NO children killed.”

        Then what happened to them, Jim?

        The Nazis did deport children. What happened to these children?

        Or, what happened to the adults? Where did they go?

        Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 1:13 pm

        • You wrote: “The Nazis did deport children. What happened to these children?”

          The children, who were deported to Birkenau, are now the present-day Holocaust survivors, who are out on the lecture circuit, telling lies to American school children.

          Comment by furtherglory — July 27, 2016 @ 2:10 pm

        • What happened to the children…..they are appearing in pictures in trips to Horror Disneyland.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — July 27, 2016 @ 3:12 pm

          • “What happened to the children…..they are appearing in pictures in trips to Horror Disneyland.”

            So typical of you, Jim.

            No answers but just an obnoxious statement.

            Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 3:37 pm

            • Obviously what I’m saying is true these pictures are those who were children when they were in the camp now are in the seventies and eighties.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — July 27, 2016 @ 4:32 pm

              • Sure, you are correct there. But Jeff is also correct you statements can be “obnoxious”.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 29, 2016 @ 5:27 pm

      • D-H has footage of a gassing on his channel.

        Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 29, 2016 @ 5:33 pm

        • Well, we don’t actually see any “gassings” taking place in that video footage. The poor emaciated gentleman looks to me as if he is being looked after by the medics – not being shoved into any gas chamber.

          We see some metal pipes on display – one of which seems to be attached to the exhaust system of a decrepit old Volkswagen car that has obviously seen better days. But we don’t really know what is behind the wall through which the pipes lead through the apertures. Is that a gas chamber? I think not, this scene with its apparatus looks terribly staged to me. And one has to ask who took the photo; for what reason was it taken, and why did they allow such incriminating evidence to fall into the hands of the Soviets?

          But its quite clear that the exhaust gases generated by the car could not possibly reach the top of the vertical section of the pipe. Although the engine will probably create enough thrust to push the gas along the horizontal section of the pipe – the sharp 90 degree turn, the narrow diameter of the pipe, plus the two and a half metre ascent, will prevent the flow from continuing up as far as the aperture. This is because of a phenomenon known as “Back Pressure”. This is what happens to all fluids and gasses which flow through pipes that are not regulated by a system of pumps and valves. The physical restriction of the piping causes the gas to slow down rapidly the further it travels away from the engine. In fact, not only will the gas slow down, but it will stop, and could even reverse its direction – which would probably occur in the vertical pipe that we see in the video image.

          Its true that individuals have committed suicide in their own vehicles by attaching a hose to their exhaust pipes and feeding it through a partially opened rear side window, but the hose is, of a course, a flexible one, with no restrictive sharp bends and turns; the distance the carbon-monoxide gas has to travel is barely one metre; and the compartment is only large enough for a couple of people to be gassed.

          Comment by Talbot — July 30, 2016 @ 7:40 am

          • That is the studiest video I have ever seen…..
            Too many things left out to prove anything.
            Maybe the car was at the Shop getting the emissions tested….LOL How would you know?
            Why would the woman be putting a blanket over the guy if he was going to be killed?
            To make him all comfortable?….LOL

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — July 30, 2016 @ 8:33 am

            • Do you ever watch your own videos?

              Comment by Jeff K. — July 30, 2016 @ 8:43 am

              • Honestly most reasonable people like my videos.
                But since I see what type of videos you like I now and wondering about you….
                You wouldn’t make a great case for accuracy in reporting.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — July 30, 2016 @ 8:45 am

                • “Honestly most reasonable people like my videos.”

                  I wouldn’t call them “reasonable.”

                  “But since I see what type of videos you like I now and wondering about you….”

                  I’m more of an action/horror person myself.

                  “You wouldn’t make a great case for accuracy in reporting.”

                  Lol……that’s hysterical, coming from you.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 30, 2016 @ 8:56 am

                • I know I’m doing something right when I get kicked off discussion sites for telling the truth…..
                  Of course they have a lot of excuses why I am kicked off but we all know why………when the person that runs the site refuses to answer my email it’s pretty obvious whats going on.
                  Jeff never had to deal with despicable people who make up excuses for their bad manners, and dishonest practices, while I have had to deal with it for years, and you wonder why I have a problem with Jews and how they deal with issues… There is no honesty and integrity with them when it comes to certain topics. What is most upsetting they don’t really care.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 30, 2016 @ 9:04 am

                • You wrote: “Jeff never had to deal with despicable people”

                  Jeff had to deal with Despicable Me.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 30, 2016 @ 9:47 am

                • Lol

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 30, 2016 @ 10:26 am

                • FG. I don’t think you’re despicable. Hard ass might be a better description. You would’ve made a good officer (I’d recommend you did it in the Air Force and not the Army). You remind me of Pop. You spoke of rationing cards the other day. I think you mentioned something about having a garden. Whenever the war broke out,your garden would’ve been a “victory garden”( I think that’s what I’ve heard them called). You were talking about eating a radish the other day. It reminded me of Pop saying,” when I was growing up,there was times we only had tree bark to eat. We were damn glad to have that.” I’m kinda glad I never had kids. I wouldn’t have had any of the,”so you think you got it rough”,stories to tell them. To be honest,I think I quit all my complaining when I got out the pen. Keeping a low profile worked best for me on that. I’m not saying poverty don’t still exist ( least not like in the depression era),but the kids now days,have gotten rooked out of all the depression stories. They way Pop would tell the stories,it almost would’ve made a good Greek Tragedy.

                  Comment by Tim — July 30, 2016 @ 3:27 pm

                • You wrote: “Whenever the war broke out,your garden would’ve been a “victory garden”

                  No, my family had a real garden, even before the war. The people who had “victory gardens” were newbs who did not know how to start a garden. I recall that I went over to the home of one of my girl friends to show her family how to make a garden. Their garden did not thrive because they ignored my advice on how to make a garden.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 30, 2016 @ 3:39 pm

                • Okay. However when we had to start rationing,you probably weren’t pinched for food too much. Y’all already knew how to use what the earth provided. Which that’s better than most people . I can use your friends family on that example. Even though the “duck and cover” public service announcements didn’t surface until the start of the Cold War, shit like that proves our government pisses away money. They should’ve made short films on how to make a Victory Garden,so people could grow some of their own food. If nothing else,they could’ve had a representative from the local Ag office and help people like your friends family,on how to grow veggies

                  Comment by Tim — July 30, 2016 @ 4:44 pm

              • You wrote [to Jim Rizoli] “Do you ever watch your own videos?”

                I have watched Jim’s videos and my complaint is that he takes too long to get to the most important part of the video.
                When I went to Journalism school, back in the Dark Ages, we were taught to “tell people what you are going to tell them; tell them; and then tell them what you told them.” This is the exact opposite of how Jim constructs his videos.

                Comment by furtherglory — July 30, 2016 @ 9:59 am

                • This is why I can only watch the short videos.

                  I double-majored in Journalism and History at the University of Oklahoma. Jim’s long rambling discourse makes me question his abilities as a “reporter.”

                  Comment by Jeff K — July 30, 2016 @ 10:31 am

          • Tal, I wouldn’t expect you to call anything gassing footage unless the person recoding was inside the gas chamber. No… wait, you would call it staged without evidence and claim the polish police forced Rudolf Reder to record it. Just like how you claimed they forced him to write his memoir.

            Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 30, 2016 @ 10:38 am

            • “Tal, I wouldn’t expect you to call anything gassing footage unless the person recoding was inside the gas chamber. No… wait, you would call it staged without evidence and claim the polish police forced Rudolf Reder to record it. Just like how you claimed they forced him to write his memoir.”

              Talbot is slowly building to the big reveal……WW II never happened, Hitler died peacefully in his sleep on April 30, 1945, the Jews, Soviets, British and US agreed to fake the whole whole thing in order to divide Germany up amongst themselves, the IMT was the beginning of the conspiracy to fake the war. What he will say is that the people we saw on trial were actors, the real Nazi government agreed to exile in the Bahamas.
              The bombed buildings?
              Movie props.
              The concentration camps?
              Movie props.
              The displaced persons and inmates?
              Actors.
              The 60 million dead?
              Faked demographic statistics.

              Comment by Jeff K. — July 30, 2016 @ 11:17 am

              • That sort of reminds me of Alexander Ratcliffe… It’s been a while since I have read his works.

                Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 30, 2016 @ 11:20 am

              • Jeff….Now your catching on….

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — July 30, 2016 @ 11:48 am

                • “Jeff….Now your catching on….”

                  Jim, I was mocking Talbot’s propensity towards disbelieving anything and everything without having any evidence to the contrary.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 30, 2016 @ 11:56 am

                • I know, but there is always hope for you. This site is the opposite of the skeptic site that HoloHuxsters outnumber the HoloHoax truthers….and people don’t devise ways to kick you off the site.
                  Pretty easy going here and everyone is welcomed. Pretty mean spirited and vengeful people on that Skeptic site.
                  It’s actually a site that is the main promoter of the HoloHoax and anyone trying to show the lies of it are taken care of pretty quickly.
                  Then they hand slap each other for the work they just did. Pretty sick people.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 30, 2016 @ 12:10 pm

  2. “This order referred to the death rate from typhus and other diseases. Yet, according to today’s Holohoaxers, the prisoners who were saved from disease were then allegedly gassed — in underground chambers that looked like crematories for dead bodies.”

    No “Holohoaxer” makes this claim. You are distorting the issue.

    Anyone the Germans selected for labor were sent to these quarantine barracks. This did not include anyone sent to be gassed. It’s the same reason why these people were registered and the murdered victims were not. You don’t register and quarantine people you are going to kill.
    Later on, these workers went through selections themselves but this was to get rid of anyone unable to work. They then went to the gas chambers…….weeks or months after they were selected for labor.

    Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 9:58 am

  3. The Chief Inspector of Concentration Camps SS-Gruppenführer Richard Glücks issued this order to the commandants of all camps.

    Glücks had made all commandants of the camps and members of the administrations personally responsible for the task of reducing mortality among inmates. All camps had numerous outbreaks of typhus.
    Obviously, all inmates must be in perfect health condition before entering gas chambers.
    Makes perfect sense to me!

    Comment by Gasan — July 26, 2016 @ 9:28 pm

    • The poor old commandants who ran those camps which we have been told were purely “death camps” (like Treblinka, Belzec etc.) must have been in quite a dilemma upon receiving this instruction from SS Gruppenfuehrer Richard Glucks – because there they were, industriously, efficiently, and perhaps even joyfully, murdering people by the thousands each day. So how could they possibly continue this absolutely vital “final solution” if at the same time they were ordered to reduce the mortality among the inmates?

      I would imagine that a commandant of such a camp could only continue his duties by developing some form of schizophrenia – which would allow him to try and reconcile his conflicting orders.

      (According to Wikipedia – Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to understand reality. Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, hearing voices…)

      And I must admit, that if I found myself appointed commandant of such a Nazi Death Camp, then I myself most definitely would be suffering chronically from all of those symptoms – and more!

      Comment by Talbot — July 27, 2016 @ 5:01 am

      • Better watch out. Next thing they’ll try to say Sgt. Schultz and Col. Klink ran one of the prisons

        Comment by Tim — July 27, 2016 @ 4:11 pm

    • “The Chief Inspector of Concentration Camps SS-Gruppenführer Richard Glücks issued this order to the commandants of all camps.
      Glücks had made all commandants of the camps and members of the administrations personally responsible for the task of reducing mortality among inmates. All camps had numerous outbreaks of typhus.
      Obviously, all inmates must be in perfect health condition before entering gas chambers.
      Makes perfect sense to me!”

      Glucks was not in charge of the Action Reinhard Camps, Odilo Globocnik was. This order did not apply to those camps.

      Chelmno also operated differently, technically Arthur Greiser (Gauleiter of the Warthgau) set this camp up to clear the Warthgau of Jews to expedite the Germanization of the area. With Himmler and Heydrich’s authorization he set up this camp at Kulmhof using SS personnel. This camp effectively closed (for the first time) in March of 1943 and was never a labor or concentration camp, its sole purpose was to murder the Jews in this area.

      Naturally Auschwitz fell under Gluck’s control but while it affected the labor force it had no effect on those immediately gassed, they were “useless mouths.”

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 10:14 am

      • “Glucks was not in charge of the Action Reinhard Camps, Odilo Globocnik was. This order did not apply to those camps.”

        Could you elaborate a little more about “Action Reinhard Camps”? I believe you have participated in that discussion just few months ago.
        https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/01/12/operation-reinhardt-or-operation-reinhard/#comments

        “Chelmno also operated differently, technically Arthur Greiser (Gauleiter of the Warthgau) set this camp up to clear the Warthgau of Jews to expedite the Germanization of the area. With Himmler and Heydrich’s authorization he set up this camp at Kulmhof using SS personnel. This camp effectively closed (for the first time) in March of 1943 and was never a labor or concentration camp, its sole purpose was to murder the Jews in this area.”

        Can we see the hard proof that there was a camp near Kulmhof/Chelmno,
        I have serious doubts that the camp, or killing site had ever existed.

        Comment by Gasan — July 27, 2016 @ 8:04 pm

        • “Glucks was not in charge of the Action Reinhard Camps, Odilo Globocnik was. This order did not apply to those camps.”

          “Could you elaborate a little more about “Action Reinhard Camps”? I believe you have participated in that discussion just few months ago.
          https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/01/12/operation-reinhardt-or-operation-reinhard/#comments

          What do you want to know?

          “Chelmno also operated differently, technically Arthur Greiser (Gauleiter of the Warthgau) set this camp up to clear the Warthgau of Jews to expedite the Germanization of the area. With Himmler and Heydrich’s authorization he set up this camp at Kulmhof using SS personnel. This camp effectively closed (for the first time) in March of 1943 and was never a labor or concentration camp, its sole purpose was to murder the Jews in this area.”

          “Can we see the hard proof that there was a camp near Kulmhof/Chelmno,
          I have serious doubts that the camp, or killing site had ever existed.”

          I’m a little surprised by that. I’ve never seen anyone actually deny the existence of the camp. Most deniers say it was a “transit camp.”

          Here is a picture of the foundations of the manor house:

          The SS office in Kulmhof:

          A gas van exploded at Kulmhof:

          https://web.archive.org/web/20150325081826/http://holocaust-history.org/19420605-rauff-spezialwagen/

          Picture of the manor:

          http://dachaukz.blogspot.com/2012_07_01_archive.html?m=1

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 30, 2016 @ 7:50 pm

          • I’m not surprised that a “gas van” exploded at Kulmhof, because anyone crazy enough to alter the exhaust system of a large, enclosed van so that the gases and unburnt residues of fuel could be redirected to inside the vehicle, is simply asking for a disaster to happen.

            Pray tell us – what kind of characters were engaged in this kind of activity, because I would imagine that even a bunch of gypos from a really sleazy, run-down trailer encampment would think twice about embarking upon this sort of madcap enterprise.

            Comment by Talbot — July 31, 2016 @ 7:58 am

            • “I’m not surprised that a “gas van” exploded at Kulmhof, because anyone crazy enough to alter the exhaust system of a large, enclosed van so that the gases and unburnt residues of fuel could be redirected to inside the vehicle, is simply asking for a disaster to happen.”

              It did and the Germans found a technical fix, Talbot.

              “Pray tell us – what kind of characters were engaged in this kind of activity, because I would imagine that even a bunch of gypos from a really sleazy, run-down trailer encampment would think twice about embarking upon this sort of madcap enterprise.”

              Sure, Germans did this. Specifically members of the SS.

              Comment by Jeff K. — July 31, 2016 @ 11:18 am

          • I can see a church in the photo, and some other buildings in the vicinity, but I can’t really identify anything that looks like a sizeable “manor house”.

            Are we absolutely certain that this is Kulmhof – where did you get this image from, and what date was the photo taken?

            Comment by Talbot — July 31, 2016 @ 8:09 am

            • After checking on Google Earth, the photo does indeed shows the village of Kulmhof – but the manor house does not appear in the image because it laid further back, some distance behind the building that we see – from our viewpoint – off to the left of the church.

              It looks a very old photo – probably dating from the 1920’s. And the photographer was standing in the meadows of the flood plain of the Nar River. Some accounts claim that human ash was rowed out in a small boat in the dead of night and dumped into the Nar – but I think we can safely regard that as another one of these fairy tales that were fuelled by more than ample quantities of Polish vodka!

              Comment by Talbot — July 31, 2016 @ 9:53 am

        • From Patrick Montague, Chelmno and the Holocaust

          This is the list of transports for Chelmno:

          1941 Dec. 7 Koło 700
          Dec. 8 Koło 700
          Dec. 9 Koło 700
          Dec. 10 Koło 700
          Dec. 11 Koło 700
          Dec. 14 7 D ą bie 975
          Dec. (second half) Dobra 1,100
          1942 Jan. 2–9 Łód ź (Roma) 4,300
          Jan. 10, 12 Kłodawa 1,000
          Jan. 13 Bugaj 600
          Jan. 14–15 Izbica Kujawska 1,000
          Jan. 16–29 Łód ź 10,003
          Feb. 2 Sompolno 1,000
          Feb. 22–28 Łód ź 7,025
          Mar. 1–31 Łód ź 24,699
          Mar. 2 Kro ś niewice 900
          Mar. 3 Ż ychlin 3,200
          Mar. (first half) Ozorków 500
          Mar. (second half) Podd ę bice 2,008
          Mar. 26 8 Kutno 6,000
          Apr. 1–2 Łód ź 2,349 9
          Apr. 10 Grabów 1,240
          Apr. 10–11 Ł ę czyca 1,750
          Apr. 16–17 10 Gostynin 2,000
          Apr. 16–17 11 G ą bin 2,150
          Apr. 17 Sanniki 250
          Apr. 22 Osi ę ciny 300
          Apr. (mid-month) 12 Brze ś ć Kujawski < 200
          13 Apr. (mid-month) Piotrków Kujawski < 550
          Apr. 30–May 2 Włocławek 3,500
          May 4–15 Łód ź 10,914
          May 17–18 Pabianice 4,000
          May 19–20 14 Brzeziny 3,000
          May 22 15 Ozorków 300
          June 10–11 Radziejów Kujawski 630
          July 20 Czachulec 10,000
          16 July (end) Lutomiersk 750
          Aug. 11–13 17 Bełchatów 4,953
          Aug. 14 Szadek 450
          Aug. 22 Sieradz 1,400
          Aug. 22–24 Warta 1,353
          Aug. 24–28 Łask 2,600
          18 Aug. 19 (last week) Wielu ń 10,000
          Aug. 25–26 20 Zdu ń ska Wola ń 10,900
          Sept. 1–2, 7–12 Łód ź 15,685
          21 Sept. 14 22 Zelów 6,000

          1944 June 23 Łód ź 562
          June 26 Łód ź 912
          June 28 Łód ź 803
          June 30 Łód ź 700
          July 3 Łód ź 700
          July 5 Łód ź 709
          July 7 Łód ź 700
          July 10 Łód ź 700
          July 12 Łód ź 700
          July 14 Łód ź 700
          Total for 1941–43: 165,034
          Total for 1944: 7,196
          Grand Total: 172,230

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 30, 2016 @ 7:56 pm

          • You gave a list of the transports that were sent to Chelmno.

            Of course, there were transports of Jews to this camp. It was a TRANSIT camp. I have a whole section on my website about this transit camp:
            http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Chelmno/index.html

            Start by reading this section: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Chelmno/Tour01.html

            Comment by furtherglory — July 31, 2016 @ 6:55 am

          • At best, its only a partial list of transports that Patrick Montague has produced, because some of the figures indicate that the transfer of people was taking place over several days or even weeks. There is no list of individual trains, which of course would be allocated a an official railway reference number.

            In places, the list does look a bit suspect; sometimes one gets a precise figure, and other times we get totals that are rounded off to the nearest hundred, or even thousand!

            Jews from the Lodz ghetto form a significant portion of the deportees, and it would have been nice for Mr Montagu to have produced a more detailed breakdown of these numbers, and provide evidence of how many trains were involved and what dates they departed.

            Comment by Talbot — July 31, 2016 @ 8:23 am

            • “At best, its only a partial list of transports that Patrick Montague has produced, because some of the figures indicate that the transfer of people was taking place over several days or even weeks. There is no list of individual trains, which of course would be allocated a an official railway reference number.”

              So, you are saying that even more people were shipped there than Montague says, Talbot?
              Well, that’s quite a pickle for deniers. That means you have even more Jews to account for!!!!!!

              “In places, the list does look a bit suspect; sometimes one gets a precise figure, and other times we get totals that are rounded off to the nearest hundred, or even thousand!”

              He did the best he could, Talbot.
              If you have a problem with it, go research it yourself. Let us know what you find.

              “Jews from the Lodz ghetto form a significant portion of the deportees, and it would have been nice for Mr Montagu to have produced a more detailed breakdown of these numbers, and provide evidence of how many trains were involved and what dates they departed.”

              Why do you even care? Frankly, a more detailed list would make it harder to argue this was a transit camp.

              Montague’s book on Chelmno is very good, it’s the only English language book dedicated to Chelmno alone that I’ve found. I’d recommend it to anyone who has an interest in learning more about the camp.

              Comment by Jeff K. — July 31, 2016 @ 11:05 am

              • “So, you are saying that even more people were shipped there than Montague says…”

                That could well be, Jeff – unfortunately we just don’t know how many Jews from the Wartegau were deported to Chelmno. The vindictive and shoddy investigations by the Poles after the war has left so many unanswered questions for us today to deal with.

                And you say;- “Why do you even care? Frankly, a more detailed list would make it harder to argue this was a transit camp.”

                Well I do care, thank you very much; I am interested in establishing historical accuracy, and trying to find out a more coherent and realistic account of what happened to the Jews of Eastern Europe in WW2. The assertions that they were all packed into enclosed vans and then gassed by the exhaust fumes of the vehicles themselves is simply asinine, and not fit for today’s public to even entertain as a serious proposition.

                Comment by Talbot — July 31, 2016 @ 11:25 am

                • “So, you are saying that even more people were shipped there than Montague says…”

                  “That could well be, Jeff – unfortunately we just don’t know how many Jews from the Wartegau were deported to Chelmno. The vindictive and shoddy investigations by the Poles after the war has left so many unanswered questions for us today to deal with.”

                  Actually Talbot we have a pretty good idea how many Jews were sent to Chelmno. The Korherr Report lists 145,301 Jews “sifted” through this camp by January 1st, 1943:

                  through the camps in the Warthegau . . . . . . . .145,301 Jews

                  http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/docpage.cfm?docpage_id=2479

                  The number of 152,000 dead comes from the fact that the SS reactivated this camp in 1944 and sent the remainder of the Lodz Ghetto to die there.
                  Montague’s number is higher based upon transports but this also includes non-Jews as well.

                  The Poles (like the Soviets before them with Auschwitz and Majdanek) wrongly assumed that the transports ran every day. They didn’t have the German report to compare numbers to.

                  And you say;- “Why do you even care? Frankly, a more detailed list would make it harder to argue this was a transit camp.”

                  “Well I do care, thank you very much; I am interested in establishing historical accuracy, and trying to find out a more coherent and realistic account of what happened to the Jews of Eastern Europe in WW2.”

                  History already records all of this, Talbot. Revision occurs when new information comes to light.
                  By revision I mean actual historical revision, not the crap that deniers peddle as “revision.”

                  “The assertions that they were all packed into enclosed vans and then gassed by the exhaust fumes of the vehicles themselves is simply asinine,”

                  Why? It happened. Want to prove otherwise? Prove conclusively that Chelmno was a “transit camp” and tell me where these Jews went.

                  Naturally you’ll bump into the rather inconvenient fact that Chelmno operated in two distinct phases, one from 1941-1943 and then 1944-1945.
                  Where could the Germans transport Jews in 1944, Talbot? No more “East” to send them to (that applies to the Hungarian Jews sent to Birkenau in the Summer of 1944).

                  “and not fit for today’s public to even entertain as a serious proposition.”

                  I think you mean what deniers peddle as “revision.”

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 31, 2016 @ 12:30 pm

                • The Korherr Report actually uses the word “transited” to described 145,301 Jews who were taken to the camps in the Warthegau and then sent on to the Russian East.

                  Are these the people that you are claiming were exterminated in gas vans at Chelmno in the early phase of operations there; or is this another, quite separate, batch of Jews who were also living in the Warthegau?

                  Comment by Talbot — July 31, 2016 @ 2:34 pm

                • “The Korherr Report actually uses the word “transited” to described 145,301 Jews who were taken to the camps in the Warthegau and then sent on to the Russian East.”

                  Where in the East? The report does not say where.

                  Also, this wording was altered at Himler’s request:

                  “The Reichsführer-SS
                  Personal Staff
                  Diary Nr.
                  -V.

                  Field Command Post 10.4.1943

                  [Stamp: Secret Reich Matter]

                  2 Copies
                  2nd Copy

                  To the
                  Inspector for Statistics, Party Comrade Korherr
                  B e r l i n

                  The Reichsführer SS has received your statistical report about “The Final Solution of the European Jewish Question”. He wishes that in no place a “special treatment of the Jews” is referred to. On page 9, item 4, the wording must be the following:

                  ” Transportation of Jews from the
                  eastern provinces to the Russian
                  East: ……………………….
                  The following numbers were sifted
                  through the camps in the General
                  Government ………….
                  through the camps in the Warthegau…..”

                  Another wording may not be used.
                  I send back the copy of the report already signed by the Reichsführer SS with the request to change this page 9 accordingly and to send it back.

                  SS-Obersturmbannführer

                  German language version of this document:

                  http://www.ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korherr/anweisung-himmler.php

                  The preceding documents and translations from:

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2007/04/richard-i-didnt-know-korherr.html?m=1

                  I added that information so that there were no misunderstanding, Talbot.

                  “Are these the people that you are claiming were exterminated in gas vans at Chelmno in the early phase of operations there; or is this another, quite separate, batch of Jews who were also living in the Warthegau?”

                  First, there is no “claiming” anything. This is what happened.
                  Second, these people died at Chelmno.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 31, 2016 @ 3:25 pm

                • Who’s Carolyn Yeager ? That’s where I found a copy of this report. On her site

                  Comment by Tim — July 31, 2016 @ 4:31 pm

                • “Who’s Carolyn Yeager ? That’s where I found a copy of this report. On her site”

                  Carolyn Yeager is a white supremacist Hitler groupie putz.

                  Did I come on a little strong?
                  Anyway, she’s worthless as a source. Her main obsession is/was Elie Wiesel’s tattoo.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 31, 2016 @ 4:50 pm

                • She had a picture of the senior citizen,””Wendy’s where’s the beef” commercial on there. In the picture the caption read,”where’s the tatt?” Something like that. Okay. What is it you and Talbot are always fueding about. “Transited and sifted “. What the shit is that? Okay is that report on Carolyn’s site legit? There’s numbers on there. They’re starting to remind me of body counts. I guess body counts will work as well on the living,as they do on the dead. I already said I don’t like body counts,cause of all the BS lies I saw associated with them,when I was in country . So is the report on her site a full report or has it been edited in any way. I told ya. All those numbers just run together on me.

                  Comment by Tim — July 31, 2016 @ 5:33 pm

                • “Okay. What is it you and Talbot are always fueding about. “Transited and sifted “. What the shit is that?”

                  Difference of opinion.

                  “Okay is that report on Carolyn’s site legit? There’s numbers on there. They’re starting to remind me of body counts. I guess body counts will work as well on the living,as they do on the dead. I already said I don’t like body counts,cause of all the BS lies I saw associated with them,when I was in country . So is the report on her site a full report or has it been edited in any way. I told ya. All those numbers just run together on me.”

                  It’s the same report, as far as I can tell. Carolyn simply distorts what it means.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 31, 2016 @ 5:59 pm

                • No. Transited and sifted. You two are always slugging it out,over those 2 words. What is their application in this scenario? Apologize for not being clear on that one.

                  Comment by Tim — July 31, 2016 @ 6:06 pm

                • “Holocaust Controversies” yet again, Jeff ? – don’t you ever get tired of their endless waffling and tiresome dissembling?

                  The Korherr Report is quite clear and concise in what it says. It claims that 145,301 Jews were TRANSITED – not sifted – through the camps of the Warthegau and sent on to the Russian East.

                  What else can anyone say to counteract that. If someone – like Himmler, or even the boys at HC – come along later and try to spin a different story, then it doesn’t make a penny-worth of difference to the original report.

                  Comment by Talbot — July 31, 2016 @ 3:46 pm

                • “Holocaust Controversies” yet again, Jeff ? – don’t you ever get tired of their endless waffling and tiresome dissembling?”

                  No, but I do get tired of the endless waffling dissembling of deniers who question history but have no answers themselves.

                  “The Korherr Report is quite clear and concise in what it says. It claims that 145,301 Jews were TRANSITED – not sifted – through the camps of the Warthegau and sent on to the Russian East.”

                  This was changed at the request of Himmler.

                  If you believe this is a forgery you will have to provide proof.

                  “What else can anyone say to counteract that. If someone – like Himmler, or even the boys at HC – come along later and try to spin a different story, then it doesn’t make a penny-worth of difference to the original report.”

                  The original report said “special action,” changed at Himmler’s request.

                  Don’t believe it?

                  Proof, please.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 31, 2016 @ 4:06 pm

              • Tim asked:- ” Transited and sifted. You two are always slugging it out, over those 2 words. What is their application in this scenario? Apologize for not being clear on that one.”

                Well, I know it sounds like splitting hairs, Tim; but the word “transit” is a clear description of what happened to all the people who arrived at a certain camp and were afterwards transferred on to somewhere else.

                I’m not absolutely sure what the term “sifted” means in the context of the holocaust; but it could refer to all the arrivals undergoing a kind of selection process, whereby some of them are sent on to other camps, but the remainder are killed in that particular location. Now some holocausters suggest that the word “sifted” is merely a euphemism to hide what was really going on – which was the mass murder of everyone who arrived in that camp.

                I personally don’t believe there was mass murder, and thus the word “transit” is the more correct term to use when it comes to places like Kulmhof.

                Comment by Talbot — August 1, 2016 @ 7:18 am

                • You wrote: “I personally don’t believe there was mass murder, and thus the word “transit” is the more correct term to use when it comes to places like Kulmhof [Chelmno].”

                  I wrote about Treblinka, which was a transit camp, on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/was-treblinka-really-a-transit-camp/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 1, 2016 @ 7:40 am

                • Judas H Priest. Now they claim the Jews were,”steamed to death”. What next. They were ,”scared shitless”? Why isn’t this claim more widely known? I figure as long as everyone wants to paint the Germans as sadistic assholes,they’d throw this in for good measure. We got portable gas vans. What are they going to say next,portable steam vans?

                  Comment by Tim — August 1, 2016 @ 8:51 am

                • The original cause of death cited at Nuremberg was steam then as time went on all the other modes of killing came into play when the HoloHuxsters made up whatever Horror Disneyland story that they could dream up.
                  If it wasn’t for the Revisionist who exposed the lies we would have more stories to fill a book up with.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 1, 2016 @ 9:53 am

                • You wrote: “The original cause of death cited at Nuremberg was steam then as time went on all the other modes of killing came into play when the HoloHuxsters made up whatever Horror Disneyland story that they could dream up.”

                  I wrote, at length, about the Nuremberg trials at
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/06/08/did-the-nurnberg-trials-prove-anything-of-importance/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 1, 2016 @ 11:07 am

                • “Judas H Priest. Now they claim the Jews were,”steamed to death”. What next. They were ,”scared shitless”? Why isn’t this claim more widely known? I figure as long as everyone wants to paint the Germans as sadistic assholes,they’d throw this in for good measure. We got portable gas vans. What are they going to say next,portable steam vans?”

                  Tim, Jim brings up the whole “steamed” thing, because, frankly, he is unable to process that this was a misunderstanding among some of the earliest witnesses.
                  All of the earliest witnesses, Jews and Poles, agreed that the Germans deported the Jews to their deaths at Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor and Chelmno. The misunderstanding occurred over the means of execution. Witnesses observing this from a distance mistook exhaust for steam. This was corrected later as those who observed this up close realized the Germans were gassing the victims, not steaming them.
                  The IMT corrected gassing to steam.
                  Jim’s problem is that he only reads denier material and has a piss-poor understanding of the history of the period.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 1, 2016 @ 12:23 pm

                • You wrote: “The misunderstanding occurred over the means of execution. Witnesses observing this from a distance mistook exhaust for steam. This was corrected later as those who observed this up close realized the Germans were gassing the victims, not steaming them.
                  The IMT corrected gassing to steam.”

                  In this blog post, I wrote about the claims of Jews being steamed to death:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/08/25/did-the-nazis-actually-steam-jews-to-death-in-a-sauna/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 1, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

                • Actually Jeff,….. they saw that the steaming the Jew lobsters was so ridiculous that they had to change it to another means.
                  Pick a means…..Gas, Diesel, Electrocutions,drowning, atom bombs, brain bashing machine, conveyor belt of live people into the furnaces….You name it it happened. So I guess all these people must of confused what they saw with something else…LOL
                  How about it didn’t happen and they all could of agreed with that if they weren’t coached to come up with their laughable reasons.
                  And even worse, you and your Holohuxster friends believe it…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 1, 2016 @ 12:59 pm

                • “Actually Jeff,….. they saw that the steaming the Jew lobsters was so ridiculous that they had to change it to another means.
                  Pick a means…..Gas, Diesel, Electrocutions,drowning, atom bombs, brain bashing machine, conveyor belt of live people into the furnaces….You name it it happened.”

                  As I said, Jim, because you only rely on denier sources you focus on the understandable confusion of witnesses instead of the convergence of those witnesses that the Jews died in those camps.

                  “So I guess all these people must of confused what they saw with something else…LOL
                  How about it didn’t happen and they all could of agreed with that if they weren’t coached to come up with their laughable reasons.”

                  Very well, then.

                  We have documented evidence that the Jews were sent to those camps. German documents.
                  Tell us where those Jews went, if they did not die in the camps. If these were “transit camps,” then obviously they were sent somewhere.
                  Tell us where. End the debate.

                  “And even worse, you and your Holohuxster friends believe it…..”

                  I believe history, Jim.
                  You have an alternate view? Prove it. Tell me where those Jews went after they were sent to those camps. Not “away,” or “somewhere else,” but a location where the Jews went.

                  BTW, I already know you don’t have clue.
                  It is fun to watch you, Talbot and Hermie squirm.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 1, 2016 @ 1:34 pm

                • No squirming from us….I already answered where the Jews went….They most likely weren’t there in the first place.
                  All your HoloHuxster false documents and statements are showing their faults now.
                  You HAVE to believe that large numbers of people were sent to the camps…because if they weren’t then you’re in a quandary.
                  Then you erroneously come to the conclusion that because you believe they were sent to the camps and your false records show they were then you got us! Sorry it doesn’t work that way. You disavow all the evidence that shows how ridiculous the extermination claims are, so you cling to the only thing you have….where did the people go. Ok I’ll play along with you…..the huge numbers were right…..now explain how they died, were cremated, buried and the remains completely disappeared off the face of the earth…in the short time the people were there.
                  That to me is the question I would like to know. So please explain that to me first.
                  I’ll give you the millions numbers game…..if you can follow through with my question with a reasonable answer..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 1, 2016 @ 1:57 pm

                • “No squirming from us….I already answered where the Jews went….They most likely weren’t there in the first place.”

                  God, how does anyone still think you are some sort of “expert?”

                  Not even deniers like Mattogono and Graf say that the Jews weren’t sent there. They say the Jews were shipped further East.

                  You simply have no clue.

                  “All your HoloHuxster false documents and statements are showing their faults now.”

                  David Irving, Mattagono, Graf, even that idiot Yeager believe that the Hoefle Telegram and Korherr’s Report are genuine. Yeager tried to debunk Korherr’s Report and failed.
                  Fail, Jim.

                  “You HAVE to believe that large numbers of people were sent to the camps…because if they weren’t then you’re in a quandary.”

                  No belief. Truth.

                  “Then you erroneously come to the conclusion that because you believe they were sent to the camps and your false records show they were then you got us! Sorry it doesn’t work that way.”

                  So, Himmler’s Order to evacuate the Ghettos, the train schedules, the report and the telegram, all of these things are false?
                  You. Simply. Have. No. Clue.

                  “You disavow all the evidence that shows how ridiculous the extermination claims are, so you cling to the only thing you have….where did the people go. Ok I’ll play along with you…..the huge numbers were right…..now explain how they died, were cremated, buried and the remains completely disappeared off the face of the earth…in the short time the people were there.”

                  Sure.
                  The SS built simple gas chambers that used Carbon Monoxide gas to kill it’s victims. Originally the SS buried the remains but after the unburied bodies began to cause environmental problems, plus the need to conceal their crimes, the decision was made to cremate the bodies. The SS used roasters to destroy the bodies starting from the Fall of 1942.

                  Your turn. Tell me where the Jews went, provide proof.

                  “Simple
                  That to me is the question I would like to know. So please explain that to me first.”

                  Just did.

                  “I’ll give you the millions numbers game…..if you can follow through with my question with a reasonable answer..”

                  Just did.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 1, 2016 @ 2:23 pm

                • You wrote: “Tell me where those Jews went after they were sent to those camps. Not “away,” or “somewhere else,” but a location where the Jews went.”

                  I wrote about where the Jews went on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/06/18/the-umschlagplatz-the-place-from-which-jews-of-warsaw-were-sent-to-camps/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 1, 2016 @ 2:26 pm

                • So the people that mentioned steaming,were going on hearsay?

                  Comment by Tim — August 1, 2016 @ 5:28 pm

                • Not heresay, they didn’t understand what they were seeing.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 1, 2016 @ 5:32 pm

                • “Well, I know it sounds like splitting hairs, Tim; but the word “transit” is a clear description of what happened to all the people who arrived at a certain camp and were afterwards transferred on to somewhere else.”

                  That you have no proof that this ever happened. Not even deniers that searched the Moscow archives ever found proof of any large “transits” to the USSR.

                  “I personally don’t believe there was mass murder, and thus the word “transit” is the more correct term to use when it comes to places like Kulmhof.”

                  This is why Holocaust denial can be compared to a cult. All belief, no proof.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 1, 2016 @ 7:41 am

                • That’s what I figured. I had to ask,because there’s so much shit in this topic that is never as it appears to be. Seems to be a lot of,”smoke and mirrors”here. Not all of it,but there is some misdirection going on

                  Comment by Tim — August 1, 2016 @ 7:48 am

                • “That’s what I figured. I had to ask,because there’s so much shit in this topic that is never as it appears to be. Seems to be a lot of,”smoke and mirrors”here. Not all of it,but there is some misdirection going on”

                  No, Tim. Not smoke and mirrors, not misdirection.

                  History is a complicated process, frankly because it deals with people and people are complicated.

                  Mistakes are made when judging historical events. The IMT got some things wrong, primarily because the proceedings were rushed and the allies were still trying to process the material they had.
                  This is my main objection to the IMT. They feel rushed to me but I understand why the trial started so quickly. People wanted justice and people are notoriously impatient. Something like this should have taken 3-4 years in its research period but no one had that time. The British, French, Soviets and Poles needed to rebuild after the war, there was still the War in the Pacific and no one knew how long the Americans were going to stick around.

                  Keep all this in mind when deniers blather on about steam, shrunken heads and soap. Not to mention spanking machines.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 1, 2016 @ 12:32 pm

                • Tim asked “what’s next”.

                  So you’ve obviously not heard of the “foot pedal operated brain-bashing machine” that was deployed at the Sachsenhausen concentration camp. If you want some fun, then just type that name in on the internet.

                  Comment by Talbot — August 1, 2016 @ 9:53 am

                • You wrote: “the “foot pedal operated brain-bashing machine” that was deployed at the Sachsenhausen concentration camp.”

                  I wrote about Sachsenhausen on this blog post:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/have-you-ever-heard-of-sachsenhausen/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 1, 2016 @ 11:18 am

                • Okay. I just watched a documentary called,”escape from a nazi death camp”. Survivors from Sobibor were at the camp there. It was about Sobibor and the revolt that took place there . Some author named Howard Tuck has been visiting the Sobibor prison site for 20 years now. He’s like the expert in this documentary . He said the Germans had gotten so good at the game,the could unload,process,gas and burn the Jews inside of an hour. Then they said something about Karl Frenzel. They said he was a staff sergeant. They said he was in charge of the prison. All the other prisons I’ve heard of,where run by high ranking officers. So why is an enlisted man running the prison there at Sobibor? Furthermore,they said he sorted through all the prisoners when they arrived. So if this guy was the big cheese at this camp,wouldn’t he have his lackeys sortin off the prisoners? They’re doing a reenactment about this one family that got there at the prison. Frenzel tells them,” men on one side women on the other”. Well halfway through Frenzel looking at all these people,this survivor said his big brother (15 years old) steps outta line and crosses to the men’s side. At the same time,his little brother (7 years old) steps out of the men’s side and walks over to the women’s side,to stand next to their mother. I thought the 7 yr old was supposed to be with his mother and the 15 yr old brother with their father on the men’s side to begin with. This shit happened after Frenzel separated everyone. Isn’t that bass ackwards the way the survivor said the family was sorted off?

                  Comment by Tim — August 1, 2016 @ 8:19 pm

                • No dildo machine?

                  Comment by Tim — August 1, 2016 @ 7:28 pm

    • A question please. The doc on the left has “Gehelm”,in big ass letters. I looked it up,but nothing came back. Some cat by the name of,” Reinhard Gehlen”,popped up in my search results . This guy is confusing every day and twice on Sunday . He was in on the plot to knock Hitler off. No surprise there. Everybody and their cousin was trying to kill him. This is the part that got me. He was never connected to the plot to kill Hitler. It said everyone was covering for his ass. From what I read,these guys didn’t dick around when came to arresting all the folks in the Hitler plot. I don’t see how this guy was able to skate. Everybody knew he was involved. When people start getting arrested,a few of them are gonna sing. So not one person in the Hitler plot,snitched this guy out. People were getting pinched left and right. When people get arrested,they do what they can,to save their own ass. They’ll turn states evidence in a heartbeat . Another thing. They said this guy helped the Hebs put this mossad unit together. At the same time he was doing that,he was helping Nazis escape to South America. So was this fool playing both sides of the fence? I’ve seen where telling his former Nazi brothers,put their trust in him,yet at the same time,he’s working for the Jews. I saw where this guy was never put on trial for anything. This cat wasn’t some low level grunt. He was a Nazi general. Every time I see where the Jews put someone on trial (with the exception of some of the recent court cases),these Nazis have all been officers. Wether they knew the whole story,about the shit that was supposedly going on,they put a ton of officers on trial. Why was this guy overlooked ? Did the Jews let him help put their mossad shit together,only to have this guy rat out the Nazis he was helping escape to South America ? Myself,I don’t trust this guy. Sounds like he was playing both sides

      Comment by Tim — July 27, 2016 @ 2:35 pm

      • The word on the stamp is “GEHEIM” (secret). Ever heard the word “”Gestapo”? It stands for “GEheime STAats POlizei” – secret state police.

        Comment by Gasan — July 27, 2016 @ 6:32 pm

        • Okay. Now what’s the story with this other fella? Remember I told you I entered “Geheim” in the search box,on the search engine. Nothing came back when I got my results. I did have that one ol boy that popped up with the results I got for Gehiem. This dudes name was Reinhard Gehlen. I don’t trust ol Reinhard. There’s something shady about him. Go back and look at what I wrote you. I gave the reasons I don’t let or him . So what’s up with that guy?

          Comment by Tim — July 27, 2016 @ 7:33 pm

          • The personality of Reinhard Gehlen is not connected to this topic. He was just high-ranking intelligence officer. Gehlen had a huge network of spies in USSR, which he had built. After the war he became very useful for CIA.

            Comment by Gasan — July 27, 2016 @ 7:54 pm

            • I know that. I’m asking why nothing ever happened with him and the courts. How come no one ever tried to charge him,with something. He just looks like a shady character the way he playing both sides.

              Comment by Tim — July 27, 2016 @ 8:56 pm

              • Read my previous comment. He had developed a huge network of spies and underground fighters in USSR. He became very instrumental for CIA.
                That is why he was never charged with anything. Besides, there was not much to charge him with.

                Comment by Gasan — July 27, 2016 @ 9:02 pm

          • I entered “Geheim” in the search box, on the search engine

            Since it’s a German language doc, why not try a German-English dictionary? — LEO — this one should work well enough for such things — suggestion: bookmark it.

            It’s a simple adjective, so geheim is normally not capitalized, eg when used in a sentence.

            Comment by eah — July 28, 2016 @ 1:27 am

  4. FG writes;- “On December 28, 1942 a directive was issued to all the Nazi concentration camps which included this statement: “The Reichsführer SS [Heinrich Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced.”

    So, here we have the “head honcho” of the SS, who allegedly was secretly ordered by the national leader of Germany to establish “death camps” in order to exterminate millions of people, sends out a directive to his subordinates that the death rate ABSOLUTELY must be reduced.

    Oh dear, oh dear – maybe this means that Auschwitz wasn’t a death camp after all, but instead was a place where the Nazis wanted people to be kept alive!

    But our good friends the holohoaxers will undoubtedly have answers to explain away this directive;-

    1) Himmler is only referring to those who were selected to remain alive at the ramp, and then registered in the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp. But all those selected for the “gas chambers” – and whose human remains have mysteriously disappeared for ever – are obviously not included in his directive.

    2) Himmler is playing a deceitful game here, by announcing publicly – to reassure everyone – that he is concerned about the high death rate, and is desperately ordering his personnel to do everything they can to reduce it, while in reality he is allowing the “exterminations” to carry on regardless.

    But of course, they have no evidence to back up either claim – whereas the directive issued by Himmler is perfectly clear and concise evidence to what he is actually ordering his subordinates to carry out.

    Comment by Talbot — July 26, 2016 @ 10:34 am

    • Talbot wrote: “But of course, they have no evidence to back up either claim ”

      Never seen any Holohoaxer needing evidence for his claims.

      Let me know if you find one…😉

      Comment by hermie — July 26, 2016 @ 1:51 pm

    • “Oh dear, oh dear – maybe this means that Auschwitz wasn’t a death camp after all, but instead was a place where the Nazis wanted people to be kept alive!”

      I guess deniers are incapable of understanding that the camps had multiple uses, especially Auschwitz.

      Auschwitz had three main camps and many satellite camps, Talbot. Only Birkenau was technically a death camp…..but even then those selected for labor lived and worked at this camp. Selections were for the very young, the very old, the sick, the dying, mothers with children. Note that the order specifically states those prisoners employed in armament factories…..it says nothing about anyone else. It makes sense to treat these prisoners better, the Germans needed them. But they didn’t need those that couldn’t work.

      Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 10:23 am

      • You wrote: “Only Birkenau was technically a death camp…..but even then those selected for labor lived and worked at this camp. Selections were for the very young, the very old, the sick, the dying, mothers with children.”

        The Holocaust survivors, who are now out on the lecture circuit, or selling their books online, were children when they were allegedly in a camp. Are you saying that these people are lying, since they were allegedly killed when they were children in a camp?

        Comment by furtherglory — July 27, 2016 @ 11:04 am

        • “The Holocaust survivors, who are now out on the lecture circuit, or selling their books online, were children when they were allegedly in a camp. Are you saying that these people are lying, since they were allegedly killed when they were children in a camp?”

          No.

          Older children, especially if they were bigger or taller, could be selected for labor instead of the gas chamber,

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 11:31 am

          • How about explaining to me why you never see bodies of dead children or even children up to the age 15 in any of the pictures so you know what that tells me that tells me they weren’t killed very simple out of all the millions pictures and documents where is a picture of a child that was killed in a gas chamber or anyone actually that was killed in a homicidal gas chamber.
            I guess there’s nobody taking pictures that day.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — July 27, 2016 @ 11:36 am

          • Jeff. Didn’t you tell me one time, you didn’t really pay too much attention to the stories of survivors?

            Comment by Tim — July 27, 2016 @ 7:44 pm

            • That’s right, I really don’t.

              However, you can look at what survivors/perpetrators/bystanders say, it all converges.

              Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 8:54 pm

              • Like this womens HoloHoax survivor story….LOL
                Now I see why Jeff doesn’t get involved because he would look like an idiot trying to defend these HoloHuxsters…..
                Here is one I never heard but it sure is a good one…..
                Making tobacco from ashes of Jews….LOL
                Holy smoke!

                Comment by jrizoli — July 28, 2016 @ 8:14 am

                • *YAWN* Got anything original Jim?

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 29, 2016 @ 5:25 pm

                • So what’s the problem I’m not I’m not the one that’s telling the stupid story but these are the stories that your fellow Holohucksters have been saying for years and you Knuckleheads believe them so who’s the idiot now.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — July 29, 2016 @ 5:37 pm

                • Still you.

                  Comment by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Click Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ — July 29, 2016 @ 5:38 pm

                • 😂

                  Comment by Jeff K. — July 29, 2016 @ 6:09 pm

        • Didn’t you say there was a cut off age where these kids weren’t sent to the gas hut? You said a certain age on up they were put to work.

          Comment by Tim — July 27, 2016 @ 4:15 pm

          • I wrote about the number of deaths at Auschwitz on this page of my website, before I became a Holocaust denier.

            Begin quote from my website:

            Auschwitz-Birkenau

            History of a man-made Hell

            DOCUMENT 008-USSR

            Report by the Soviet War Crimes Commission, 6 May 1945

            There were usually 200,000 inmates at one time in the extermination camp of Auschwitz. Over 4 million people from the countries occupied by Germany were killed in Auschwitz, in most cases by gas immediately after their arrival; the remainder were first used for labour or for medical experiments and later killed in various ways (injections, ill treatment etc.). Details relating to the camp and the persons responsible for the crimes.

            Description

            Record no. 56 of the Soviet War Crimes Commission, second edition. Russian language. Signatures ink. With German translation.

            Report of the Special State Commission for the investigation and examination of the misdeeds of the German fascist invaders and their accomplices of the monstrous atrocities and crimes of the German government in Auschwitz (Oswiezim).

            Even before the Red Army had liberated Polish territory in Upper Silesia, numerous reports had reached the Special Commission regarding the existence of a gigantic camp which the German government had erected for the extermination of Russian prisoners in the vicinity of the city of Oswiezim (Auschwitz). After the liberation of Polish Silesia by Soviet troops, units of the Red Army found this camp. Upon order of the Special State Commission, a thorough investigation of the crimes committed in Auschwitz by the Germans took place in February and March 1945.

            The investigation was carried out by the legal officer of the 1st Ukrainian Front with KUDRYAVTSEV and KUZMIN as representatives of the Special State Commission. Special expert commissions participated in the investigations. These included a forensic medical expert commission from the 1st Ukrainian Front, BRYSHIN F.F., the forensic medical expert of the Army, TSCHURSAVNOW, among others, and a technical commission consisting of the Cracow Professors DAVIDOWSKY ROMAN and DOLINSKY JAROSLAUS, among others. The interrogation and medical examination of 2,819 former inmates of Auschwitz camp who were rescued by the Russian army; a study of the material found in the camp, German documents, the remains of crematoria and gas chambers blown up by the Germans during their retreat; an examination of corpses found on the grounds of the camp, of objects and papers which remained behind on the grounds of the camp and in the barracks, and which had belonged to people who came from various countries of Europe and who were murdered by the Germans, have established the following:

            1) the Germans exterminated over four million citizens of the Soviet Union, Poland, France, Belgium, Holland, Czechoslovakia, Roumania, Hungary, and other countries by shooting and monstrous tortures in Auschwitz camp.

            2) Germany professors and doctors performed so-called medical experiments on living men. women, and children in the camp. Auschwitz camp by far exceeded all hitherto known death camps in the refinement of its methods — in technical organization, in the number of victims, and in the cruelty of the means with which the people were killed. Auschwitz camp contained gas chambers and crematoria, and surgical stations and laboratories, all aimed at the extermination of human beings. The Germans called the gas chambers “Baths for Special Purposes”. The entrance to the “baths” bore the sign “To the Disinfection”; the exit “entry to the bathhouse”. Thus, the people intended for death went unsuspectingly into the room “for disinfection”, and undressed; they were then driven into the “Bath for Special Purposes”, and killed with “Zyklon” poison. Special hospitals, surgical blocks, laboratories, and other installations were erected in the camp — not to heal men, but to kill them. German professors and doctors performed mass experiments on completely healthy women and children: sterilization of women and castration of men (mass experiments on artificial excitement (sic) of cancer, typhus and malaria, experiments on the effects of poisons on living people.

            SS Reichsfuehrer HIMMLER was the organizer of Auschwitz extermination camp.

            Auschwitz camp was built in 1939 (sic), on the order of SS Reichsfuehrer Himmler, for the exclusive purpose of killing the enslaved citizens of occupied European lands. The camp occupied a huge surface area in the vicinity of the city of Auschwitz. It was originally a whole system of camps: Auschwitz, Birkenau, Monocice , Goleschan, Jawiszowiz, Neudachs, Blachamer, etc. The two main camps — Auschwitz and Birkenau — covered 467.5 ha. and consisted of more than 620 living barracks and administrative buildings. There were always between 180,0000 and 250,00 prisoners in Auschwitz. All camps were surrounded by ditches full of deep water and thick barbed wire charged with high electrical voltage.

            In 1941, the first Auschwitz crematorium was built to burn bodies of murdered persons. In the summer of 1942, SS Reichsfuehrer Himmler visited the Auschwitz camp, ordered its expansion to gigantic proportions, and gave instructions for technical improvements. The German firm Topf & Soehne in Erfurt received the order to build four powerful new crematories and gas chambers in Birkenau. Berlin insisted on faster completion and demanded that all work be finished by the beginning of 1943. The complete correspondence between the camp administration and the firm Topf & Soehne was found in the office files of Auschwitz camp, which files also contained the following letter:

            1) “I.A. Topf & Soehne, Erfurt, 12 February 1943. To the Central Building Administration of the SS and Police, Auschwitz (Oswiezim). Regarding: crematoria for the second and third prison camp.

            “We politely confirm receipt of your telegram of 10 February with the following content:

            “‘We once again confirm receipt of your order for five three-part 3-muffle crematory ovens, including two electric lifts for the removal of corpses and a second two-part lift for corpses. A usable installation for the heating with coal and an installation for the removal of the ashes are also included in the order. You are to deliver the complete installation for crematory no 3. We expect that you will do everything to send all machines and accessories immediately. The installation must be ready for operation by 10 April 1943.’ (signed I.A.Topf & Soehne.)”

            2) “No. 12, 115/42 — EP-HA Article 2. Regarding: order for two three-part crematory ovens for each of the “baths for special purposes”. Engineer Pruefer proposes that these be taken (with) the crematory ovens which are ready for shipment to Mogilew. The leader of the division who was in the SS commissary management of the main division Berlin was immediately notified of this, and was asked for further instructions. (Signed) SS Untersturmfuerher (S). Oswiezim 21 August 1942.”

            Twelve crematory ovens with 46 retorts were available in four new crematoria. Every retort could take three to five corpses. The cremation procedure took approximately 20 to 30 minutes. The baths for special purposes, that is, the gas chambers for the killing of human beings were located in the cellars of special buildings next to the crematoria. There were also another two separate “baths”; the bodies of people killed here were burnt in separate fires in the open. Dogs helped to drive the men intended for death into the baths. On the way, they were driven with blows from clubs and rifle butts. The doors to the chambers were hermetically sealed, and the people in them were poisoned with Zyklon. Death occurred within 3-5 minutes; after 20-30 minutes, the bodies were removed and taken to the crematory ovens in the crematoria.

            Before cremation, cremation dentists removed all gold teeth from the bodies. The “production” of the “baths” and gas chambers by far exceeded the capacity of the crematory ovens; therefore the Germans used gigantic fires in the open to burn the bodies. Ditches 4 – 6 m wide, 25 – 30 m long, and 2 m deep were dug for these fires. Channels ran along the floor of the ditches and were used for air supply. The bodies were brought to the fires by narrow-gauge railway, and placed in layers crossways in the ditches. Oil was poured over them and that is how they were burnt. The ashes were buried in deep ditches or thrown in the Sola and Vistula.

            In 1943, they began to grind up the unburnt bones for industrial purposes, and to sell them to the “Strem” company for the manufacture of superphosphates.

            Written proof was found in the camp that 112 tons and 600 kg. of bone meal from human bodies were sent to the Strem company. The Germans also used hair cut off the heads of murdered women for industrial purposes. In Auschwitz camp, the Germans killed and burnt between 10,000 and 12,000 human beings daily, of whom 8,000 – 10,000 arrived by railway and were immediately killed, plus 2,000 – 3,000 camp inmates. Two former prisoners who were interrogated as witnesses — SHYLOMA DRAGON (a resident of the small town of Zitovnin in the province of Warsaw), and GENRICH TAUBER, from the city of Krzanow in Poland), who worked in a special commando servicing the gas chambers and the crematoria — testified as follows:

            “…First, the Germans had two gas chambers two kilometers apart. They were two wooden barracks, each the same. People who arrived by train were taken to the barracks, undressed, and then driven into the gas chambers. SS men with gas masks threw Zyklon through the holes. The gassing lasted 15 – 20 minutes, after which the bodies were removed in little wagons and taken to the ditches and burnt there.”

            Later, four crematoria were in operation on the grounds of Birkenau camp; every one of them had one gas chamber. Crematoria nos. 2 and 3 were of the same type, and each had 15 crematory ovens while those of crematoria nos. 4 and 5 were of another type — not as big, and of inferior technical quality, each with 8 crematory ovens. All the crematoria incinerated 10,000 – 12,000 bodies per day.

            German fascist professors and doctors as murderers of Auschwitz prisoners

            In Auschwitz camp, German fascist professors and doctors performed extensive “medical” experiments with monstrous ingenuity on living people. Former inmate doctors rescued by the Red Army — STEINBERG, (Paris), GORDON (Vilnius), Prof. GROSSMAN ( Yugoslavia), Dr. of med. WALENTIN ERWIN (Berlin), KEPPICH ANNA (Hungary), DE WIND EDUARD (Netherlands), FLECHNER ALBERT (Paris) — established they had seen a great number of “medical” experiments with their own eyes, arbitrarily performed by German fascist professors and doctors on prisoners in order to learn surgical techniques. A young German doctor sought out prisoners with ulcerating sores on their limbs, and practised performing amputations on them. The German doctors TILLE and FISCHER gathered great groups of prisoners and then carried out fracturing operations on them.

            The leading doctor at the hospital, Dr. ENDERS, performed stomach operations in the absence of the slightest complaint of any stomach trouble; he also practised ulcer operations on them.

            Sterilization experiments were performed on women in the camp hospital division of Auschwitz camp. 400 women prisoners were housed in Block 10 of the camp, and simultaneously subjected to sterilization experiments with x-rays, and then by removal of the ovaries; the neck of the uterus was infected with cancer, experiments were performed to induce premature birth artificially and to test contrast substances, as well as to test x-ray exposure of the uterus. In Block 28, doctors tested methods of artificially wounding the skin with kerosine oil, various salts, pastes, and powders. They also used Arichink to study artificially induced jaundice. These experiments were led by the German, Dr. Emil KOSCHUB.

            In Block 21, mass experiments were performed in the castration of men and to study the possibility of sterilization with x-rays. Castration was performed some time after treatment with x-rays. These x-ray and castration experiments were led by Prof. SCHUMANN and Dr. DERING. The operations frequently consisted of removing one or both testicles for study after treatment with x-rays.

            All these facts are attested to by the testimonies of former inmates, KLEIN JUDITH, AUSSEN KLARA, HORBANN MINNA, SONDERS NONNA, SKURNIKC JAKOB, SURES DAVID, and many others on whom the German doctors performed various experiments.

            Upon order of the German doctor Dr. ENDERS, in 1941-1944, prisoners were killed in the hospitals by injection of phenol in the heart. First, the injections were given by Dr. DERING, later by nurses. A German named KLER, a former shoemaker, proved himself especially enthusiastic, killing thousands of victims in this manner. A prisoner named PANSZIK, a Pole, killed 12,000 men with phenol injections (he was later killed by Polish prisoners). A German named STESS killed 10,000 people with these injections.

            The fact that inhuman experiments were performed on prisoners is also confirmed by a number of documents found in the camp offices. A report from the surgical division of the camp hospital testified that in three months — October, November, and December 1943 — there were 89 removals of the testicles (castration), five sterilizations, five removals of the ovaries among the many operations performed by surgeons of the division. In the telegram no. 2768 of 28 April 1943, the Obersturmfuehrer Colonel SOMMER issues an order to the office of the camp commandant, stating that 128 women are to be included in a list with the designation “prisoners for experiments”. A statistical survey of the camp commandant is concerned with the number and distribution of female prisoners to the various categories, and is signed by the representative camp commandant. There is one constant column: prisoners for various experiments. The column is entitled “women for experiments”. On 15 May 1944, 440; on 5 June 1944, 413; on 19 June 1944, 348; on 30 July 349, etc.

            German doctors played a leading role in the so-called “selection” of prisoners for gassing and incineration. They carried these “selections” out everywhere — near the crematories, in the hospitals, in the barracks. Exhausted, sick people who were unable to work were sent to the gas chambers.

            The following German doctors participated in the selection of prisoners for the purpose of killing: WIRTS, MENGELE, RODE, FISCHER, TILLE, KOENIG, KLEIN, and many others.

            Upon order of the leading German doctor of the Auschwitz division, the populations of entire barracks were murdered by poison gas during typhus epidemics.

            The forensic medical experts found that German doctors of Auschwitz camp performed the following experiments on living people:

            1) removal of tissues from the neck of the uterus or even complete removal of the same;

            2) testing of a number of unknown substances for the purpose of x-ray exposure of the uterus and ovaries, These substances were injected under pressure into the uteral region with the help of special installations, and often caused frightful pain to the the victim of the experiment;

            3) sterilization of women by x-rays of the pelvic region, followed by the removal of the ovaries. These experiments were performed chiefly on younger women;

            4) study of the reactions of various chemical preparations to the order of German firms. According to the eyewitness testimony of a German doctor, Dr. med. Erwin VALENTIN, the representatives of German chemical industry — GLAUBER, a gynecologist from Koenigshuette, and GEVEL, a chemist — actually bought 150 women from the camp administration at one time for such experiments.

            5) sterilization of men through x-rays;

            6) experiments on men using chemical irritant preparations on the skin of one leg for the artificial inducement of ulcers and inflamed tumours;

            7) a number of other experiments, such as artificial infection with malaria, artificial insemination, etc..

            Very many experiments ended in the rapid, excruciating death of the prisoner involved. When the victims for experimental purposes were no longer useable, they were killed and cremated. In this manner, the Germans attempted to wipe away their inhuman experiments.

            Samuel Abramowitsch STERN, a former prisoner from Bucharest, testified:

            “…In Auschwitz camp, I worked as the assistant to the doctor. On the orders of Ober-Sergeant Major KOSCHUB, I subjected prisoners to injections with other manipulations. I know very well that kerosene was injected into the leg… Experiments were performed on the irritability of the skin…For these purposes, an 80% solution of alum actinium was used. The entire layer of skin was then removed and sent for examination. Those who had deep-seated skin inflammations had the entire piece of flesh cut out, together with the skin, and this was also sent for examination…

            KOSCHUB infected prisoners with artificial jaundice and gave them malarial blood transfusions. WALIGUVA M, a test subject, testified:

            “…Several days after my arrival at Birkenau, I believe it was the beginning of December 1942, all younger men between 18 and 30 were sterilized by x-ray exposure of the scrotum. I was also among those sterilized. Eleven months after I was sterilized, that is, on 1 November 1943, I was castrated… together with 200 other men who were sterilized in one day.”

            The witness, DAVID SURES, from Salonika (Greece), gave the following testimony:

            “Approximately in July 1944, I was entered onto a list, together with many other Greeks, and sent to Birkenau. There, we all had to undress, and were all sterilized with x-rays. A month after sterilization, we were all ordered to the camp central division, where we were all castrated.”

            The former inmate M. HAUSER (Paris, Citemilion 9), testified:

            “In Auschwitz, we were housed in Block 10. The reason why we were housed in this block was unknown to us. It contained a hospital division, although we were all entirely healthy women. In Block 10, they took a syringe full of blood from me, I don’t know for what purpose. At the end of August 1943, I was taken to the operating room, received an anaesthetic, and an operation was performed on my sexual organs. The operation was performed by a prisoner, Dr. SAMUEL, under the leadership and instruction of the German, Dr. WIRTZ. After the operation, I was sick for 11 months in Block 10. Among those who were subjected to the sterilization operation was a Jewish woman named Bella, from Greece, whose last name I can no longer remember. After she was x-rayed, she was operated on. She received an abdominal incision. After the operation, she got well and her abdomen healed. The German doctor Dr. SCHUMANN came to Block 10 to examine her, and took Bella away to Block 28. There he made a second incision, this time in a sideways direction. I myself saw the criss-cross incision. Within a few days of the second operation, Bella died.”

            The German butchers murdered citizens from all European nations in Auschwitz.

            Investigations have proven that three to five railway trains loaded with human beings intended for extermination arrived at Auschwitz every day — every train carying 1,500 – 3,000 men. These people, intended for death, came from every country in Europe. The 2,819 liberated prisoners interrogated by the forensic medical commission included citizens of Poland 754; Hungary 542; France 346; Czechoslovakia 315; USSR 180; the Netherlands 159; Yugoslavia 143; Italy 91; Greece 76; Roumania 52; Belgium 41; and other countries.

            From every train, the Germans sought out 200 – 300 of the strongest for work in the camp, and sent the rest straight to the gas chamber, as well as to the crematoria of Auschwitz and Birkenau camps. The railway foreman of Oswiezim station, FRANSISZEK STANEK, testified:

            “In 1942, 1943, and 1944, trainloads of prisoners came from Czechoslovakia, Belgium, France, Holland, Norway, Greece, Poland, and other countries.”

            The witness EDWARD DE VIND testified:

            “After the occupation of Holland by the Germans, a purge of the state apparatus, the governmental installations, and educational institutions took place in November 1940. Three of us university assistants were expelled. I moved to Amsterdam. A Dutch fascist was found murdered in a residential block. As a reprisal, the Germans arrested 400 hostages, including myself. They grabbed me on the street and sent me to this camp.”

            The witness JACKOV GORDON from Vilnius testified:

            “… I was sent to the Auschwitz camp on 22 January 1943. In all, there were 3,650 people on the train. Of these, 265 men and 80 women were sent into the camp; the rest were sent to the crematorium immediately, where they were gassed and burnt. Among the victims were my wife, Matilda, a nurse by profession, my son, 4 1/2 years old, and my father (73 years old), as well as my mother (64 years old).

            The witness EMILIE DESSANTI, an Italian, testified:

            “…On 12 September 1944, the Hitlerians deported us from Italy and sent us to Auschwitz camp. In all, they sent 500 Italians to the camp. Of these, 30 remained alive. The rest were brutally tortured to death and killed in the camp.”

            The witness DAVID SURES testified:

            “… I came from Greece on 3 April 1943 with a trainload of Greeks, together with more than 2,500 other persons, including my mother, 53 years old, and my sister and her child. Approximately 300 persons of the 2,500 were sent into the camp, while the remaining, among them my mother, my sister, and her five-year old child, were sent straight from the train to be burnt in the crematorium.”

            The witness GEORG KITMAN from Roumania testified:

            “…In June 1944, I and my parents were sent to Auschwitz, together with other people, old people, women and children, in a railway train. When we got out, all the old people and mothers with small children were separated from the strong ones, sent to the crematorium, and burnt. Among them were my father, 42 years old, and my mother, 48 years old. Of the 3,000 persons, not more than 350 were sent into the camp.”

            The witness ZISKA testified:

            “…I arrived in February 1943 with 1100 other people from France. On the same day, 205 strong people were selected and sent to the barracks and the other 895 — old people, women, and children — were sent to the gas chamber, where they were asphyxiated.”

            The former inmate, ANNA KEPPICH, a Hungarian from the city of Cluj, testified:

            “…I arrived in Auschwitz camp in June 1944 with 3,000 Hungarian prisoners. After our arrival in the camp, 500 strong people were selected for work in the camp, while the other 2,500 were sent for extermination in the gas chambers.”

            Professor BERTHOLD EPSTEIN of the University of Prague reported to the Commission:

            “Selected prisoners were sent to the gas chambers for extermination. For several months, we saw long lines of people sent to their death in the crematorium. Specially large groups were killed in May, June, and July 1944. During this time the crematorium worked day and night, as we could see from the flames which shot out of the chimneys. We often smelled the stench of burning flesh, hair, and nails. In this time, we saw two gigantic fires in the open, which blazed brightly during the night, in addition to the flames that shot out of the crematorium chimneys. Shrieks and cries as well as the barking of SS watch dogs could be heard throughout the night. The unfortunate victims, who were sent to death in the open fires in long rows due to the overfilled crematoria, anticipated the fate that awaited them…”

            “I knew that my nearest relatives had shared this fate, and that I, too, would not succeed in escaping it. Approximately every two weeks, the camp doctor, MENGELE, selected the people who were to be killed in the crematorium. Thus, approximately 500 children were killed in one day. Heart-breaking scenes occurred when these children were taken away, since everyone knew, where they were going. The SS men and their accessories (sic) showed special brutality in this procedure. When we arrived in Auschwitz, I was separated from my wife and never saw her again. Later I heard that she was never even accepted into the camp. My wife was no doubt killed in the usual manner. In March 1944, SS men murdered my wife’s sister with her two children and my niece 38 years old. In July 1944, my sister also died.”

            Death on a conveyor belt

            The investigations showed that, apart from people who were intended for experimental purposes in the camps of Auschwitz, some 200,000 prisoners were kept for purposes of exploitation through the most exhausting forced labour. Every week, German doctors took a “selection”, the result of which was that all the sick were killed in the gas chambers. These were replaced by those who arrived in the camp by train. It was an exactly organized system, a horrible conveyor belt of death. The first ones were killed in order to be replaced by others, who were then brought to a point of exhaustion and illness through the most brutal exploitation, and then they were sent to the gas chambers.

            Slaves for the I.G. Farben-Industrie

            In 1941, the Germans began the construction of a large, chemical armaments plant for the I.G. Farben-Industrie near Auschwitz and with the construction of an armaments factory for artillery and other ignition material. The construction was carried out by Krupp, by “Union” companies, and other companies with tens of thousands of Auschwitz prisoners of all European nationalities — Russians, Ukrainians, White Russians, Poles, French, Yugoslavia, Greeks, Belgians, Czechs, Dutch, Italians — who died under the brutal exploitation, working in these structures, as well as in the draining of swamps, in mines, and the building of roads.

            The barracks of the concentration camp were located seven or eight kilometres from the worksites. Crews of SS men made the prisoners assemble, then thousands were driven to work under armed guard and surrounded by overseers with clubs and dogs. At work, the prisoners were beaten by the SS men, overseers, and foremen: one blow for straightening up the back, another for not picking up enough earth on the shovel, another for not working fast enough. Others were made to run with earth-laden carts by blows. The foremen said: “The company pays 4 marks for you and therefore you must work like a horse.” The worksites were execution grounds at the same time. The killing of prisoners in any manner was permitted by the camp administration. Obersturmbannfuehrer LIEBEHENSCHEL issued an order in which he offered the SS 50 marks for every inmate killed “trying to escape”. To receive this reward, the guards murdered without being punished.

            Testimony on the killing of prisoners on the worksite was given by a former inmate:

            “… In August 1943, I worked on the worksite of the I.G. Farbenindustrie installation. One day, SS men brought 400 prisoners to this worksite, including Yugoslavians, Greeks, Frenchmen, and Belgian, drove them into a ditch, and began to bury them alive. The people doomed to death screamed for help in various languages. The SS men standing around said to us: ‘Look out there and work better than before, or the same will happen to you.’ Two weeks later, we were transferred so that the terrain could be prepared for a building in one of the Auschwitz camps. SS man LOSSMANN and other SS men selected 30 men from our group, drove them into a ditch, and buried them up to the neck. Then the SS men got on horses, and began to gallop over the land, and killed all 30 men.”

            The gigantic swamps of Auschwitz became a grave for thousands of men of the most varied nationalities. Over 300 columns from 50 to 1,200 men did heavy work there. As a result of the blows, the murders, and the violence, not one of the ones who worked there lived more than two or three months. They were murdered in the swamps, or when they fell ill, by phenol injections in the heart or killed in the gas chambers.

            JAKOB KOENIG, a specialist reclamation engineer, who worked as a common navvy (sic) in the swamps, testified:

            “…I belonged to a column of 400 men working in the reclamation of swampland. The overseers, who were recruited from among German criminals, beat the men unconscious with their clubs and spades. In our column, there were men and women of all ages, including academicians, doctors, teachers, professors. Yugoslavia alone was represented by 14 engineers who did nothing there but ordinary work.

            A former inmate, SIMON MEISELIER BEGAIN, testified:

            “From our column, the bodies of 100 – 200 bodies of people tortured to death were brought back daily for two or three months in 1944, and were replaced by new victims.”

            The German hangmen were especially brutal with Soviet prisoners, who were as a rule killed immediately upon arrival in the camp. Only the strongest of them were selected from among them. The following order, relating to Soviet citizens, was found in the camp office:

            “Oranienburg, 15 November 1941. Confidential. Reichsfuehrer SS. Inspector of concentration camps (Oswiezim 14L14). Regarding: execution of Russian prisoners of war. To the commandants of the concentration camps. Copies to the camp doctors, camp leaders of prisoners under special guard, to the camp management. The Reichsfuehrer SS and Chief of the German Police has declared himself fundamentally in agreement with extending the execution of those out of the total number of Russian prisoners of war who are sent to the concentration camps for execution (commissars) when their physical condition permits work in the stone quarry. The approval of the Chief of the Security Police and SD Police is necessary for this purpose. I therefore issue the following order: after the arrival in the camp of trains with prisoners of war for execution, physically sound Russians who can work in the stone quarries should be selected by the camp chief (E) and the leading doctor. A list of names of the selected Russians should be sent to us in duplicate.

            “The camp doctor must confirm on a list that he raises no objection from this point of view to these people being used for work. After receipt of approval from the Chief of the Security Police and the SD Police, the transfer of the Russians concerned to the stone quarry by order will then be arranged. Signed GLUECKS SS Brigadefuehrer and Generalmajor.”

            Based on this order, some of the Soviet prisoners were kept alive for the purpose of hard physical work. Their treatment by the SS and the overseer was as cruel and inhumane as can be imagined.

            Subordinates are encouraged to use their own initiative

            A resident of the city of Auschwitz MARINA GANDLIZK testified:

            “In the winter of 1941, Russian prisoners of war were driven daily like cattle from Auschwitz camp to the village of Babive at 35 degrees below zero. Many of them had no headwear, only soldiers’ shirts and trousers and torn footwear. Every evening, carts with the bodies of those same Russian prisoners of war came back the village of Babive. On top of the cart sat two or three comrades of the dead Russians exhausted to the utmost, with frozen faces, hands, and feet.

            The Hitlerians demanded inceasingly more and more murders from their subordinates. On 24 February 1944, the chief of the Auschwitz garrison, Obersturmbannfuehrer LIEBEHENSCHEL, issued an order stating: “Lengthy personal observations have enabled me to observe that there are too many prisoners working on all worksites, with the exception of the armaments factories — and their working strength is not being exploited. They loaf around. We are aware that tougher supervision by young SS officers would be necessary to increase the working yield from the prisoners, but we also know that we have no additional contingents available for this purpose, since they are either at the front or are doing service in other important sectors. We must help ourselves. It is obvious that we must act quickly, and I hope that every one will do what is necessary on his own initiative…”

            The result of this order was that frightful processions could be seen every evening, drawing along the roads — from all sides of Auschwitz camp, from the factories, the swamps, from the mines back to the barracks — surrounded by SS men and overseers with huge packs of dogs;’ blood-bespotted, exhausted prisoners carried the corpses of their comrades on wooden stretchers.

            At role call, the prisoners were made to stand in long lines; the bodies of those tortured to death were laid out before them, and the overseers reported to their superiors regarding fulfilment of the LIEBEHENSCHEL order. The administration expressed its gratitude to the columns with the greatest number of corpses. Those guilty of misdemeanours were beaten with clubs before the eyes of the prisoners.

            These frightful forced labour conditions led to frightful living conditions in the barracks. 1,000 – 1,500 people were housed in buildings erected for 400 – 500 persons. Hunger, epidemics, torture, unhygenic conditions, everything was consciously and deliberately directed at exterminating the prisoners as quickly as possible. Examination of 2,819 Auschwitz prisoners who were rescued by the Red Army and interrogated by the forensic medical commission, proved that, out of 2,189 persons, 91 percent suffered from total exhaustion and 223 persons suffered from pulmonary tuberculosis. The experts also established that the Germans had tortured the prisoners. The persons examined suffered from broken ribs, fractured limbs, fractures of the vertebral column and bones of the face, as well as various wounds, ulcers, and frozen hands and feet, the results of the tortures permitted by the Germans. Very many of the liberated prisoners suffered from severe nervous and psychological disturbances. The forensic medical commission held an examination of the corpses of 536 prisoners found on the grounds of the camp. It was established that in 474 cases (88.3 percent) the cause of death was exhaustion.

            Murder of children

            In Auschwitz camp, the Hitler criminals murdered hundreds of thousands of children, from infants to sixteen-year olds. As a rule, children were sent to the gas chambers to be killed as soon as they stepped off the train, and only a small number of powerful youths were retained for work in the camp. The investigations have shown that the Germans demanded the same hard labour from children 8 to 16 years old as from adults. Work that exceeded their strength. Tortures and beatings soon reduced them to a condition of complete exhaustion, and then they were murdered. Ex-prisoner DR. JAKOV GORDON from Vilnius testified after his liberation:

            “At the beginning of 1943, 164 children were selected from among the inmates of the Birkenau camp, brought to the hospital and there killed through injections of carbolic acid in the heart.”

            Ex-prisoner BAKASCH WALDTRAUT from Duesseldorf (Germany) testified:

            “In the year 1943, as we were working on the construction of a fence around the crematorium no. 5, I myself saw how SS men threw living children in the fire.”

            Here are the testimonies of a few children who were rescued by the Red Army. S. MUDIANOC, a youth, born in 1930 in the city of Rod, said,

            “We children were forced to work and pull carts in groups of 15 – 20. The carts were loaded with a variety of things, but chiefly with the corpses of victims. We took them to a separate block where they were piled up in layers and then taken to the crematorium. We worked from 4 o’clock in the morning until it got dark. At the end of October, the Germans inspected our work and punished us because the block was not clean. One hundred and fifty had to go out in the road by the block, and then we were taken to a bath house and undressed. Cold water was poured over us, after which they drove us along the street to our block. After that, many children got sick.”

            ANDREAS LERINCIAKOS, a youth of nine years of age from the city of Klez (Hungary) testified:

            “After we were driven to Block 22 in the camp, we were beaten, mostly by German women placed over us as guards. They beat us with clubs. During my stay in the camp, Dr. MENGELE often took blood from me. In November 1944, all children were transferred to the A camp, the gypsy camp. During a roll call, it turned out that one child was missing. Then the leader of the women’s camp, BRANDER, and her assistant MENDEL, drove us all into the open at 1 o’clock in the morning and made us stand in the cold until noon.”

            Children who were born in the camp were torn from their mothers and taken to their death. Women who arrived at the camp pregnant were immediately housed in separate barracks and premature birth was induced. Pregnant women who resisted were taken to the gas chambers.

            The former prisoner SOFIA LAKONWNA from Cracow testified:

            “Many of the women, who arrived at the camp in August 1944 had children aged between 5 and 12 years. All children were sent to the crematorium with their mothers immediately after their arrival. I was 7 months pregnant when I arrived. SS Doctor KOENIG examined me and sent me to barracks V-3 (Birkenau). There I found 65 women in a similar condition. Three days later, I received an injection in the hip to induce a premature birth. I was subjected to these injections for four days. On the fifth day I gave birth to a child, which was taken away from me. During my stay in the barracks, I was a witness to 14 such cases. Newly born or prematurely born babies were taken away. We didn’t know where.”

            Among the liberated Auschwitz prisoners who were medically examined, there were 180 children of whom 52 were under the age of 8, and 128 between 8 and 15. All had arrived at the camp during the second half of 1944, that is, they had spent between 3 and 8 months in the camp. Medical examinations showed that 72 out of 80 children suffered from pulmonary or glandular tuberculosis; 49 suffered from the results of malnutrition (severest condition of exhaustion); 31 had frostbite.

            Extermination of intellectuals

            In the Auschwitz camp, the Germans brought tens of thousand of outstanding scientists and intellectuals from a great many different countries. ANDRE FOUDRI, a resident of the city of Samot Dupoiet, made the following statements before the commission:

            “Of 600 French citizens brought with me to the camp, the majority died a few months after their arrival. Among them was the famous national economist PROFESSOR HENRI LIMOUSIN of the University of Clermont Ferrant testified:

            “In 1944, I was transferred to the Auschwitz camp from Dachau as an expert on pathology. There I spent nearly nine months in the quarantine block, where I was forced to clean latrines, scrub floors, and take food to inmates who were locked up.”

            Among those who were killed in Auschwitz was the well-known Dutch national economist FRIEDA.

            These, and many others, were done to death with intolerably hard work or killed in the gas chambers.

            The Special State Commission received an appeal to the conscience of the world in three languages, German, Hungarian, and French, signed by 27 former inmates of Auschwitz camp, professors, doctors, engineers, jurists, students, and other intellectuals.

            “Before the conscience of the world, we, the undersigned, liberated by the great Red Army from the bloody Hitler domination, accuse the German government under the leadership of Adolf Hitler of the greatest mass murder in the history of humanity, atrocities and kidnapping into German slavery…”

            The appeal ends with these words: “We turn to the international conscience with a request to begin research on the fate of the millions of men from all national states who disappeared, and to take all conceivable steps to rescue the millions of prisoners of all nations who still suffer in Hitler Germany. We escaped death by a miracle when the Nazis were withdrawing from the camp.

            “Although the Hitlerians withdrew in panicky retreat, they drove 58,000 prisoners with them from Auschwitz camp and its satellite camps. These men, exhausted by hunger, had to march on foot, but the majority of them can hardly have marched more than a few kilometres. We believe that, with the further advance of the front into the interior of Germany, the same fate awaits all those who still remain in the hands of the blood-thirsty Nazis. We, the undersigned, appeal to the conscience of the world, in the belligerent and neutral countries and to their governments, and ask them in the name of humanity, that everything possible be done so that a repetition of Nazi atrocities and crimes be avoided forever, so that the blood of millions of innocent victims not be spilled in vain. Together with the 10,000 rescued persons of all nationalities, we request that the unbelievable misdeeds of the Hitlerians not remain unavenged. The rescued persons owe their lives to the courageous Red Army, and we ask the conscience of the world and all governments to take this into consideration and to thank them in our name.”

            The Hitler robbers

            In Auschwitz camp, the Hitlerians not only proved themselves the blood-thirstiest murderers of defenceless human beings, but also the greediest thieves of their property. The millions of people who were taken to the Auschwitz concentration camp were systematically robbed during the first hour of their existence. All their property, suitcases, clothing, bedding, even underwear and footwear, were taken by the SS to camp warehouses which had been erected precisely for the purpose of storing plundered property, and sent to Germany. People who were able to work and were selected for forced labour received the striped uniform instead of their own clothing.

            There were 35 separate warehouses on the grounds of Auschwitz camp, where articles of clothing and other articles were sorted and packed. 29 of them, together with their contents, were burnt down by the Germans, as they retreated before the Red Army.

            In the six camp warehouses which remained were found:

            1) 348,820 mens’ suits;

            2) 836,255 women’s articles of clothing, coats and dresses;

            3) 5,525 pairs of women’s shoes;

            4) 38,000 pairs of men’s shoes;

            5) 13,964 carpets.

            Furthermore, the camp warehouses also contained great quantities of toothbrushes, shaving brushes, eyeglasses, dentures, and dishes used by the prisoners. Large quantities of children’s clothing were also found: shirts, baby shirts, trousers, coats, and caps. With their blood-stained hands, the Hitlerian child murderers carefully counted the clothing which they had taken off the bodies of the slaughtered children and sent it to Germany.

            An examination of the contents of the warehouses revealed all the objects had belonged to the peoples of various nationalities who were tortured to death or murdered. Clothing, footwear, and other articles bore the labels of French, Belgian, Hungarian, Dutch, Yugoslavian, Czechoslovakian and other manufacturers. Stickers from various European hotels could still be seen on the suitcases. On the camp railway platform, the commission discovered seven railway wagons loaded with clothing and bedding ready for shipment to Germany:

            1) 99,922 children’s articles of clothing and underwear;

            2) 192,652 women’s articles of clothing and underwear;

            3) 222,269 mens’ articles of clothing and underwear, or a total of 513, 843 of clothing.

            On 7 March 1945, in the camp tannery, the commission found 293 bales of women’s hair, weighing a total of 7,000 kg. The experts of the commission established that the hair was cut off the heads of 140,000 women.

            Over 4,000,000 murdered

            Prior to their retreat, the Germans carefully attempted to wipe away traces of their horrible crime in Auschwitz by destroying all the documents through which the whole world might learn the exact number of human beings killed in Auschwitz. But the gigantic installations erected for the extermination of human lives by them in the camp, the testimonies of Auschwitz inmates liberated by the Red Army, the testimonies of 200 witnesses, found documents, and other important evidence, suffice to convict the German butchers of the extermination, gassing, and cremation of millions of men in Auschwitz camp. In the five crematoria alone, with their 52 retorts, the Germans were able to exterminate the following numbers of prisoners since their installation:

            In crematorium no. 1, which existed for 24 months, 9,000 bodies could be burnt monthly, which means a total of 216,000 during the entire period of its existence;

            The corresponding figures are:

            – crematorium no. 2: 19 months, 90,000 bodies per month, total figure 1,710,000 bodies;

            – crematorium no. 3, 18 months, 90,000 bodies per month, total figure 1,620,000 bodies;

            – crematorium no. 4: 17 months, 45,000 bodies per month, total figure 765,000 bodies;

            – crematorium no. 5: 18 months, 45,000 bodies per month.

            The total capacity of all five crematoria was 279,000 bodies per month, for a total figure of 5,121,000 for the entire period of its existence.

            Since the Germans also burnt a great number of bodies on pyres, the capacity of the installations for the extermination of human beings in Auschwitz must be considered to be much higher in fact than this figure would suggest. But even when one considers that individual crematoria may not have worked to full capacity, or they might have been shut down for repairs part of the time, the technical commission established that the German hangmen killed not less than 4,000,000 citizens of the USSR, Poland, France, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Roumania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Holland, Belgium, and other countries during the period of the existence of Auschwitz camp.

            The German fascist criminals must be brought to exact account. These fearful crimes were committed under the leadership of the Hitler government, and under the leadership of SS and Polizeireichsfuehrer “Hangman” Himmler. The persons directly guilty for this crime are:

            All those, as well as all other Germans who participated in the murder and torture of Auschwitz prisoners, must appear before a tribunal of the nations, and receive deserved severe punishment.

            The President of the Special State Commission

            N. SCHWERNIK

            The academician J. TRAININ

            The Mytropolitos NIKOLAUS

            The academician LYSSENKO

            The academician N. BURDENKO
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            Comment by furtherglory — July 27, 2016 @ 4:32 pm

            • Short answer to what happened in the camps nothing it’s all a lie.
              People put the camps that we use for a labor they got fed they were taken well cared for…. some did get sick some died no doubt about it.
              The HoloHoax is the scam of all scams and continues scamming people today so it’s a longest running scam. If this HoloHoax case had to go to court today they would lose by a long shot because they have no Witnesses no weapon no reason what they say happened but plenty of people survived to show that nothing bad happened there.
              Maybe they should try suing for hurt feelings.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — July 27, 2016 @ 4:45 pm

            • I read that report by the Soviet War Crimes Commission – and what can one say? To me, it would appear that its author had unfortunately drunk so much Russian or Polish Vodka beforehand, that he was quite unable to prevent his intoxicated mind from bursting out of the world of reality, and embarking upon a remarkable journey into the realm of make-believe.

              The report claims;-

              “In crematorium no. 1, which existed for 24 months, 9,000 bodies could be burnt monthly, which means a total of 216,000 during the entire period of its existence;

              The corresponding figures are:

              – crematorium no. 2: 19 months, 90,000 bodies per month, total figure 1,710,000 bodies;

              – crematorium no. 3, 18 months, 90,000 bodies per month, total figure 1,620,000 bodies;

              – crematorium no. 4: 17 months, 45,000 bodies per month, total figure 765,000 bodies;

              – crematorium no. 5: 18 months, 45,000 bodies per month.

              The total capacity of all five crematoria was 279,000 bodies per month, for a total figure of 5,121,000 for the entire period of its existence.”

              The poor author of this report must have had an enormous hangover when he finally sobered up. But I suppose by then, it was too late for him to alter the figures to more realistic levels, because I’ve no doubt his superior officers in the Soviet propaganda department had snatched them up gleefully from his typewriter while he lay agreeably asleep under the table. They, of course, immediately went ahead and published the report around the world as the solemn, verified truth!

              Comment by Talbot — July 28, 2016 @ 6:47 am

      • No one is denying that selections took place at Birkenau, Jeff. If the photos from the Auschwitz Album of 1944 are any guide, then it would appear that men and women were separated on the ramp immediately upon their arrival. In addition, we can see that the children (and especially all the girls) stayed with their mothers in the female column of inmates. Now, you maybe right, that some of the older boys chose to go with the menfolk (that’s of course if the SS guy on duty deemed them fit enough to be able to carry out full-time work alongside the adults).

        There were also, undoubtedly, later selections which also took place inside Birkenau, where those who were too old and sick were separated from the fit and able who were needed for work. Then, even more selections were undertaken, whereby those with skills were separated from the unskilled and transferred to nearby factories and sub-camps where their work was urgently needed.

        I can readily see that in a vast place like Birkenau, with people arriving and departing constantly, that selections were taking place all the time – but there is no evidence that those who were in fact “selected” were taken to the crematoria and systematically exterminated there. These are just the wild claims of people who later imagined that this is what the selection process was all about. They were unable to see from their restricted viewpoint, that inmates were being transferred, either to other parts of the camp; one of the many sub-camps; or even factories, workshops, farms and quarries further afield.

        Comment by Talbot — July 27, 2016 @ 1:19 pm

        • “No one is denying that selections took place at Birkenau, Jeff.”

          Good. We all agree on that, then.

          “If the photos from the Auschwitz Album of 1944 are any guide, then it would appear that men and women were separated on the ramp immediately upon their arrival. In addition, we can see that the children (and especially all the girls) stayed with their mothers in the female column of inmates.”

          Yup. Still in agreement.

          “Now, you maybe right, that some of the older boys chose to go with the menfolk (that’s of course if the SS guy on duty deemed them fit enough to be able to carry out full-time work alongside the adults).”

          OK.

          “There were also, undoubtedly, later selections which also took place inside Birkenau, where those who were too old and sick were separated from the fit and able who were needed for work.”

          Yes. Those people were sent to the gas chambers. Or, if there was a possibility that a prisoner could recover, this person received some medical treatment. If they recovered they were sent back to work. If not, they were “spritzed,” given a lethal injection or sent to the gas chambers.

          “Then, even more selections were undertaken, whereby those with skills were separated from the unskilled and transferred to nearby factories and sub-camps where their work was urgently needed.”

          Yes.

          Except that you missed a step. After the selections at the ramp those deemed unfit or otherwise expendable were sent to the gas chambers.

          “I can readily see that in a vast place like Birkenau, with people arriving and departing constantly, that selections were taking place all the time – but there is no evidence that those who were in fact “selected” were taken to the crematoria and systematically exterminated there.”

          Except that there is, Talbot. There is far more evidence of that than some lame transfer of prisoners out of Birkenau.
          Some of the prisoners were transferred to other camps. But that in no way shows what happened to the majority.

          “These are just the wild claims of people who later imagined that this is what the selection process was all about. They were unable to see from their restricted viewpoint, that inmates were being transferred, either to other parts of the camp; one of the many sub-camps; or even factories, workshops, farms and quarries further afield.”

          I’ll go ahead and ask for evidence of your assertions at this point, Talbot.

          Comment by Jeff K. — July 27, 2016 @ 1:41 pm

          • Someone wrote: “[the prisoners] who were too old and sick were separated from the fit and able who were needed for work.”

            Then you wrote:
            “Yes. Those people were sent to the gas chambers. Or, if there was a possibility that a prisoner could recover, this person received some medical treatment. If they recovered they were sent back to work. If not, they were “spritzed,” given a lethal injection or sent to the gas chambers.”

            I wrote about the selections on this page of my website, before I became a denier:
            http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Selection3.html

            Comment by furtherglory — July 27, 2016 @ 1:55 pm

  5. Ok folks lets consider this one…..you mean the Germans spent all this effort and time to quarantine inmates get them all healthy and fit again just to gas them……PLEASE! The HoloHuxsters will have to explain this one. One more thing….what about those folks who weren’t registered or in some cases not tattooed, I would think these were the ones being transferred to another camp, to be used there where they most likely were registered if their stay was for a longer period of time. Seems reasonable but would have to check the situation in the camp they ended up in. Some HoloHoax liars say they were in several camps. So that would squash the argument that they were in an extermination camps…..they survived several camps???? Just another Horror Disneyland story they got to tell and the knucklehead goyim believed it.
    Last point…..Birkinau had 2-300 barracks, seems a lot if you were going to just kill these people when they arrived. So that is a question to the Holohuxsters…..why so many barracks?

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — July 26, 2016 @ 9:47 am

    • If that is one of the lies the Jews spread,then I’ll tell you exactly where they got it. Last time I looked,here in the state of Texas,you can’t execute a death row inmate if he goes insane while waiting to be executed. You have to wait until the prison shrink gets the inmates head in working order again. That’s how the law read the last time I looked. So if the Jews say the nazis made sure they were in top health before sending to the gas house,you can figure out where they got the foundation for that lie from.

      Comment by Tim — July 26, 2016 @ 10:16 am

  6. I feel MUCH more for the millions of Soviet conscripts who had no such nice barracks to sleep in while German soldiers were shooting at them.

    And I feel more for those German soldiers, too, and for their families back home getting torrents of Allied bombs dropped on their homes and workplaces.

    And I feel SOMETHING for the inmates of the concentration camps, too. Including the Jews among them.

    I even feel for the Americans – soldiers and families alike. There’s a LOT to feel for – and a ranking among them, too.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — July 26, 2016 @ 9:16 am

    • You wrote: “I even feel for the Americans – soldiers and families alike.”

      I was a child during World War II, and I can tell you that Americans were suffering because food was rationed and gasoline was rationed. I was literally pulling up radishes in the garden, like Scarlett O’Hara, and saying “as God is my witness, I’ll never be hungry again.”

      Comment by furtherglory — July 26, 2016 @ 9:22 am

      • You should’ve gotten “Big Sam” to pull the food from the garden. Them “mammy” would’ve been on your ass making sure you eat them. I read an article one time. I was about this old man. He had a shotload of metal. I’m talking huge piles. They needed it for the war effort,but he wasn’t gonna part with it. They were gonna give him a fair price for it,but no go. These people finally came back with a letter from the war department ( some government agency). He didn’t have a choice then. They had a pic of the old man,while folks are loading up all his scrap to haul away. The look on his face in that pic. He was not a happy camper.

        Comment by Tim — July 26, 2016 @ 10:06 am

  7. This isn’t an isolated incident ,right? You’ve had other articles you’ve written,where,”the wrong photo”, has been the accepted norm. Seems like the holo pep squad don’t care if they use the right photo or not. They put forth facts,that are misleading,yet no one calls them down on it.

    Comment by Tim — July 26, 2016 @ 8:23 am

    • You wrote: “You’ve had other articles you’ve written,where,”the wrong photo”, has been the accepted norm.”

      Yes, the use of a “wrong photo” is common on Holocaust websites and in kosher news articles. I wrote about this on this blog post:
      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/photos-dont-lie-but-liars-use-photographs-to-decieve/

      Comment by furtherglory — July 26, 2016 @ 9:17 am

      • So as usual,truth is the first casualty in war. They use it for personal gain,instead of using it in the hopes that man will never take the path he took in ww2 in the future. The old adage,”those that don’t remember the past,are doomed to repeat it”. I don’t think we got to worry too much about that. There’s too much conflicting information,to be able to decide what the “actual past” is when it comes to this subject

        Comment by Tim — July 26, 2016 @ 10:33 am

        • Tim wrote: “They use it for personal gain,instead of using it in the hopes that man will never take the path he took in ww2 in the future.”

          I think I’ve just found a man who will be really stunned when WW3 starts…😉

          Hey, Israel was never planned as such a tiny state. And a Messianic Jew-owned world government won’t fall from the sky. A third world war is needed and will take place. Guaranteed…

          Comment by hermie — July 26, 2016 @ 2:01 pm

          • Okay. I’m guessing you missed my point. “If” everything happened the way history recorded it,then why can’t they use the proper photographic evidence and proper eyewitness testimony? If they don’t,then far as I’m concerned they’re using the facts to their own advantage . They don’t care if people are given the truth (whatever that is) or not. Yeah. Nuclear will happen. Man ain’t happy unless he’s killing his fellow man. bible guarantees it. Book of revelations. ” 1/3 of all mankind will be destroyed by fire,smoke and brimstone “. Not much gray area. Last I heard,we eased up on Iran. They’re free to back to their nuclear program. You got that little shit in North Korea testing his short range missiles. Popping them off,like its his own private New Years celebration. Last month the Ruskies added like 153 nukes to their arsenal . We barely added 50 to ours. Nuclear holocaust ( that’s the correct way to use the word holocaust. Jews will probably be pissed at me for saying that )will happen. It’s just a matter of when. Einstein once said,”I don’t know how ww3 will be fought ,but ww4 will be fought with sticks and stones”

            Comment by Tim — July 26, 2016 @ 5:01 pm


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