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August 2, 2016

Jews still lying about Heinrich Himmler after all these years

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 4:32 pm
Heinrich Himmler out for a stroll in Bavaria

Heinrich Himmler out for a stroll in Bavaria

Himmler giving a speech to German soldiers

Himmler giving a speech to German soldiers

Himmler is the man in front, in the first photo above. The man behind him is dressed in a traditional Bavarian outfit. The second photo shows Himmler dressed in his uniform.

The following quote is from a news article which you can read in full at

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/nazi-monster-heinrich-himmler-described-8548665

Begin quote:

Yesterday the [British newspaper called the Daily] Mirror told how notes belonging to the architect of the Nazi death camps had come to light in a military archive near Moscow.

[These papers came to light many years ago.]

Now it can be revealed an innocent entry on October 4, 1943, in occupied Poland – entitled “Group Leader meeting” – is Himmler outlining the Jewish extermination programme to underlings who carried out the Holocaust.

He told officers in no uncertain terms: “I am talking about the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people.

“It is one of those things that is easily said. ‘The Jewish people is [are] being exterminated,’ every Party member will tell you, ‘perfectly clear, it’s part of our plans, we’re eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, a small matter.’

End quote

What was the German word that Hitler used, which was translated into the English word exterminate?

Here is the English translation of Himmler’s Posen speech, with the original words between brackets like this < >

Begin quote from Himmler’s Posen speech:

I am thinking now of the evacuation <Evakuierung> of the Jews, the extermination <Ausrottung> of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that’s easy to say: “The Jewish people will be exterminated” <wird ausgerottet>, says every Party comrade, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our program: elimination <Ausschaltung> of the Jews, extermination <Ausrottung>; that’s what we’re doing.” And then they all come along, these 80 million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew.

Of course, it’s quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew. Of all those who speak this way, not one has looked on; not one has lived through it. Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there. To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard.

This is a chapter of glory in our history which has never been written, and which never shall be written; since we know how hard it would be for us if we still had the Jews, as secret saboteurs, agitators, and slander-mongers, among us now, in every city — during the bombing raids, with the suffering and deprivations of the war.

We would probably already be in the same situation as in 1916/17 if we still had the Jews in the body of the German people.

End quote

I lived in Germany for two years after World War II, and I heard the German people use the word “ausrotten” many times in a conversation.  It was “ausrotten” this and “ausrotten” that. I understood the word to mean “get rid of”. It was used in a sentence many times when the word obviously meant to “get rid of,” not to kill.

I did not take German when I was in college, but my husband did. He would try to speak, in German, to the German people, but they could not understand a word that he said.

In those years, nearly everyone in Germany spoke English, and they preferred to speak English because Americans did not pronounce German words correctly, according them.

Many years after I came back from Germany, I took a college class in German. I still remembered  a little bit of German from my time in Germany, but the teacher would not accept my German. She insisted that I speak like an American speaking German.

Two of the students in my German class made a trip to Germany shortly before the class ended. When they came back, they said that the German people could not understand a word that they said.  Told you so! In Germany, German is spoken differently.

 

154 Comments »

  1. Ich meine jetzt die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes…”Das jüdische Volk wird ausgerottet”, sagt ein jeder Parteigenosse, “ganz klar, steht in unserem Programm, Ausschaltung der Juden, Ausrottung, machen wir.”

    If here Himmler is speaking about the mass murder of Jews (ie “ausgerottet” means extermination), which was supposedly extremely secret (“eine Geheime Reichsache”), why does he say ‘…every party member (“jeder Parteigenosse”) says that’ (“Das jüdische Volk wird ausgerottet”), and that it is part of the NSDAP program (platform): ‘absolutely (“ganz klar”), that’s part of our program, we’re doing it (“machen wir”)’ (“Ausschaltung der Juden, Ausrottung”)?

    It does not really make much sense — if the extermination of Jews was so secret, why broach the subject at all? — not to mention allowing notes and a recording to survive — re what he said, either Himmler misspoke, which seems implausible, since in two clauses he refers to how widely it is known, or he wasn’t speaking about extermination, but instead about what was, at that point, fairly widely known: that Jews were being stripped of their wealth (Reichtum) and forcibly expelled/deported.

    Comment by eah — August 6, 2016 @ 3:34 pm

    • You wrote:
      “If here Himmler is speaking about the mass murder of Jews (ie “ausgerottet” means extermination), which was supposedly extremely secret (“eine Geheime Reichsache”), why does he say ‘…every party member (“jeder Parteigenosse”) says that’ (“Das jüdische Volk wird ausgerottet”), ”

      I lived in Germany for two years and heard many native Germans speak German. The word “ausrotten” was frequently used. I deduced that the word mean “to get rid of”. I never heard anyone use this word when they meant “to kill”.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 6, 2016 @ 3:43 pm

    • “It does not really make much sense — if the extermination of Jews was so secret, why broach the subject at all? — not to mention allowing notes and a recording to survive — re what he said, either Himmler misspoke, which seems implausible, since in two clauses he refers to how widely it is known, or he wasn’t speaking about extermination, but instead about what was, at that point, fairly widely known: that Jews were being stripped of their wealth (Reichtum) and forcibly expelled/deported.”

      Except that Himmler talks about bodies, killing a people that they have a moral right to kill and eradicating a bacillus.

      Comment by Jeff K. — August 6, 2016 @ 5:36 pm

      • You wrote: “Himmler talks about bodies, killing a people that they have a moral right to kill”

        Can you tell me your source for this speech. I have a page on my website on which I have quoted Himmler’s speeches in German and English. I would like to add the speech that you quoted. http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/HimmlerSpeeches.html

        Comment by furtherglory — August 7, 2016 @ 7:01 am

      • You wrote: “Himmler talks about bodies, killing a people that they have a moral right to kill and eradicating a bacillus.”

        Close, but no cigar. Here is the exact quote:

        “we had the duty to our people to do it – to kill this people who wanted to kill us. But we do not have the right to enrich ourselves with even one fur, with one Mark, with one cigarette, with one watch, with anything. That we do not have. Because at the end of this, we don’t want – because we exterminated the bacillus – to become sick and die from the same bacillus.”

        You apparently don’t agree with Himmler. You think that the Germans did not have the right to kill people who wanted to kill them — because these people who wanted to kill them were Jews. This is the kind of thinking that allows Jews today to lie, steal and cheat.

        Comment by furtherglory — August 7, 2016 @ 7:16 am

        • “You apparently don’t agree with Himmler. You think that the Germans did not have the right to kill people who wanted to kill them — because these people who wanted to kill them were Jews. This is the kind of thinking that allows Jews today to lie, steal and cheat.”

          OK, so now you are no longer a Holocaust denier. You now admit that the Holocaust happened but that the Nazis had the right to murder millions of Jews…..most of them foreign, not German Jews……because these Jews were trying to kill them.

          Never mind that these foreign Jews had nothing to do with Germans or Germany.

          I’m not sure if this is a breakthrough but at least you are honest.

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 7, 2016 @ 7:31 am

          • You wrote: “You now admit that the Holocaust happened but that the Nazis had the right to murder millions of Jews…..most of them foreign, not German Jews……because these Jews were trying to kill them.”

            The Germans had the right to put Jews in camps in wartime because they were the enemy, just as America had the right to put American citizens of Japanese ancestry into camps in America during World War II.

            The Jews who died in the concentration camps were not deliberately killed unless they committed a crime while in the camp.

            How do you account for the Jews who are still alive today after being put into a camp in wartime? These survivors were children in the camps, where children under the age of 15 were allegedly gassed immediately after arrival. How do you account for survivors who were born in the death camps?

            Comment by furtherglory — August 7, 2016 @ 7:50 am

            • You wrote: “You now admit that the Holocaust happened but that the Nazis had the right to murder millions of Jews…..most of them foreign, not German Jews……because these Jews were trying to kill them.”

              “The Germans had to right to put Jews in camps in wartime because they were the enemy, just as America had to right to put American citizens of Japanese ancestry into camps in America during World War II.”

              Perhaps so. I don’t think I’d call it a “right,” more like a racist knee-jerk reaction.

              “The Jews who died in the concentration camps were not deliberately killed unless they committed a crime while in the camp.”

              Well, except for those gassed on arrival at places like Birkenau, the ARC and Chelmno. A Jew was more likely to survive Birkenau than the pure extermination camps, this is why there are more survivors from there. I’d say less than 100 Jews survived from the extermination camps.

              “How do you account for the Jews who are still alive today after being put into a camp in wartime?”

              Not every camp was a pure extermination camp. Places like Klooga allowed families to remain together.

              “These survivors were children in the camps, where children under the age of 15 were allegedly gassed immediately after arrival. How do you account for survivors who were born in the death camps?”

              The only child survivors are from Birkenau and the other camps, there are no child survivors from the ARC or Chelmno.

              Himmler ended the extermination program in the fall of 1944, the Jews became valuable bargaining chips at that point.

              Why do you keep bringing up the 15-year-old issue?
              The SS did not check birth certificates, if a younger child was taller or bigger they were kept as labor. This is you clouding the issue, it has no bearing on the reality of the Holocaust.

              Comment by Jeff K. — August 7, 2016 @ 8:50 am

          • You wrote: “I’m not sure if this is a breakthrough but at least you are honest.”

            I can afford to be honest because I am old. If the Jews kill me, they kill me. I don’t have to bow down to them.

            You have obviously never watched a Jew steal something right in front of you. I once had lunch with a Jewish person at a “eat all you want” restaurant. She brought a large bag which she was using as a purse. While the people, who were working in the restaurant, were not looking, she filled this bag with an entire tray of chicken that had just been brought out. When she got caught, she cried and said “I’m a Jew.” The owner of the restaurant accepted this excuse and did not have her arrested. The moral of this story is that the Jews are so accustomed to lying, stealing, and cheating that they feel that nothing should happen to them when they commit crimes.

            Comment by furtherglory — August 7, 2016 @ 8:06 am

            • You wrote: “I’m not sure if this is a breakthrough but at least you are honest.”

              “I can afford to be honest because I am old. If the Jews kill me, they kill me. I don’t have to bow down to them.”

              I don’t think you really have to worry. Jim pisses people off by breathing, he’s still kicking around.

              “You have obviously never watched a Jew steal something right in front of you. I once had lunch with a Jewish person at a “eat all you want” restaurant. She brought a large bag which she was using as a purse. While the people, who were working in the restaurant, were not looking, she filled this bag with an entire tray of chicken that had just been brought out. When she got caught, she cried and said “I’m a Jew.” The owner of the restaurant accepted this excuse and did not have her arrested. The moral of this story is that the Jews are so accustomed to lying, stealing, and cheating that they feel that nothing should happen to them when they commit crimes.”

              First, it’s interesting that you would eat with a Jew.

              Second, how does this incident prove anything?

              Comment by Jeff K. — August 7, 2016 @ 8:58 am

  2. That’s good. I may not see eye to eye on him with everything,but I don’t want bad fortune to find him. Maybe too much bad juju here for him

    Comment by Tim — August 5, 2016 @ 7:50 pm

  3. Here you go, Talbot.

    Goering’s authorizatation:

    http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/authorization.htm

    I don’t know about the plans submitted.

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 7:15 am

    • I wrote about Reinhard Heydrich and Herman Goering on these blog posts:
      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/reinhard-heydrich/

      Comment by furtherglory — August 5, 2016 @ 7:28 am

    • Göring’s letter only says “Auswanderung oder Evakuierung” — ie emigration or forced deportation — it says nothing about killing Jews — either of those (“Auswanderung oder Evakuierung”) could be considered the “Gesamtlösung der Judenfrage” — the ‘total solution of the Jewish question’ — it is ‘exterminationists’ who have attached a sinister meaning to words like “Endlösung” and “Gesamtlösung” — in this letter there is absolutely nothing to justify that sinister interpretation — this was pointed out to you before, even in this very comment thread, you pathetic little shithead straw-grasper — stop posting the same bullshit over and over.

      Comment by eah — August 5, 2016 @ 7:46 am

      • “Goering’s letter only says “Auswanderung oder Evakuierung” — ie emigration or forced deportation — it says nothing about killing Jews — either of those (“Auswanderung oder Evakuierung”) could be considered the “Gesamtlösung der Judenfrage” — the ‘total solution of the Jewish question’ — ”

        Did I say that Goering said anything about extermination, numb nuts?
        No, I said Goering authorized the SS to deal with the Jews.
        Clean the Nazi shit out of your eyes.

        “it is ‘exterminationists’ who have attached a sinister meaning to words like “Endlösung” and “Gesamtlösung” — in this letter there is absolutely nothing to justify that sinister interpretation — this was pointed out to you before, even in this very comment thread,”

        I pointed out that you were wrong, it’s only your love affair with the Nazi regime that prevents you from seeing that, fucktard.

        “you pathetic little shithead straw-grasper — stop posting the same bullshit over and over.”

        I’ll post what I want, ass hat. Blow me.

        If you don’t like it stop reading my comments, Goebbel gobbler.

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 7:53 am

        • I pointed out that you were wrong

          About what?

          Comment by eah — August 5, 2016 @ 8:07 am

          • I included all of this.

            I don’t want you to miss anything.

            I actually think you should replace “propagandists” with denier manipulation of the language.

            Let’s try that literally: The manipulation of the language by the denier manipulation of the language working for the victors of WW2 is not well known — oh yeah, that makes sense.

            You cite: The manipulation of the language by the propagandists working for the victors of WW2 is not well known — what does “manipulation of the language” refer to? — it refers to: the word ausrotten meant to “get rid off” and has taken a more sinister meaning post war like the pre war German word for a shower “Brausebad” has had to be replaced by “Dusche” — it is clear that “manipulation of the language” refers to ausrotten (especially) and Brausebad — in both cases the interpretation has changed to something more “sinister” to suit the purposes of ‘exterminationists’, not ‘deniers’ — so your comment makes no sense — it is not ‘deniers’ who have ‘manipulated’ language in this example.

            “I actually think” you are one of the fucking stupidest people I’ve ever encountered on the internet.

            Re more sinister interpretations, the same could be said of the word Endlösung, which appears in the Göring letter to Heydrich — there is nothing inherently sinister about this word.

            Himmler’s speech isn’t proof of anything, any more than the Göring letter, which only mentions “Auswanderung oder Evakuierung”, is proof of the ‘Holocaust’ — that the Germans planned to murder Jews in gas chambers.

            Reply
            Jeff K. on August 3, 2016 at 3:52 pm
            “I actually think” you are one of the fucking stupidest people I’ve ever encountered on the internet.”

            I think the proper way to say that is “stupidest fucking” instead of “fucking stupidest.”

            But, hey. Who am I to argue with the prom queen?

            “Let’s try that literally: The manipulation of the language by the denier manipulation of the language working for the victors of WW2 is not well known — oh yeah, that makes sense.”

            Wow, I’ve never been corrected by a cranky bitch before. This is fascinating.
            In case you haven’t noticed, this is the comment section on a blog, not a research paper.

            But, I can how you’d have a problem with this, after all, you have a stick stuck so far up your ass you have splinters in your lungs.

            “Himmler’s speech isn’t proof of anything, any more than the Göring letter, which only mentions “Auswanderung oder Evakuierung”, is proof of the ‘Holocaust’ — that the Germans planned to murder Jews in gas chambers.”

            Except that he equates the executions committed during the night of the Long Knives with what is currently happening with the Jews, he speaks of bodies, he equates Jews with a bacillus….did you miss all of that?

            Bitch?

            Reply
            jrizoli on August 3, 2016 at 3:58 pm
            Someone is not a happy camper here.

            JR

            Reply
            Jeff K. on August 3, 2016 at 4:08 pm
            I personally dislike eah, Jim.

            He’s a self-righteous douchebag who likes to randomly drop in and insult me. I didn’t start it but I’ll be fucked if I let some OCD ridden prom queen insult me without response.

            Reply
            eah on August 3, 2016 at 10:36 pm
            Except that he equates the executions committed during the night of the Long Knives

            Most sources give the German text as follows:

            Genau so wenig, wie wir am 30. Juni 1934 gezögert haben, die befohlene Pflicht zu tun und Kameraden, die sich verfehlt hatten, an die Wand zu stellen und zu erschießen, genau so wenig haben wir darüber jemals gesprochen und werden je darüber sprechen.

            Röhm-Putsch — some info from the German Wikipedia page about (what is called in English) the ‘Night of the Long Knives’: the exact number of dead cannot be known; post-war research has repeatedly reduced the estimated number of those killed — less than 100 (89) can be named with any certainty; Hitler ordered the killing to stop; gemäß den erhalten gebliebenen Verhaftungslisten 1.124 Personen, welche im Verlauf der Aktion in Schutzhaft genommen, aber nicht getötet wurden — far more people were arrested and not killed.

            So many of the facts about the Röhm-Putsch, as stated above, undermine any claim that Himmler’s mention of it is somehow significant in the context of the ‘Holocaust’.

            Like I said: the Posen speech proves nothing — but I can see why ‘exterminationists’ claim (rather desperately) that it does — the ‘Holocaust’: alleged to be the greatest mass murder in history, yet not a scrap of forensic evidence.

            corrected

            More than “corrected” — I showed how your comment was absolutely idiotic — it made no sense whatsoever — did you miss all of that? — moron.

            Reply
            Jeff K. on August 3, 2016 at 11:55 pm
            “So many of the facts about the Röhm-Putsch, as stated above, undermine any claim that Himmler’s mention of it is somehow significant in the context of the ‘Holocaust’.”

            Except that Himmler specifically mentions this incident right before he starts talking about the Jews.

            Dip shit.

            “Like I said: the Posen speech proves nothing — ”

            You can’t see it because you can’t clear the Nazi shit out of your eyes and ears.

            Himmler talks about bodies. Does the word “bodies” mean “deported” in German?

            What exactly does bodies refer to in the speech, eah? 50, 100. Does this mean these Jews were asleep?

            “but I can see why ‘exterminationists’ claim (rather desperately) that it does ”

            Well, Himmler brings up an incident where the SS had to do something unpleasant.

            He talks about bodies. He talks about killing people, clearly referring to Jews, this whole section is about Jews. How do you explain that?

            Oh, he also talks about eradicating a bacillus. Does that mean the SS sent the bacillus on a road trip?

            How do define “eradicate,” eah?

            “the ‘Holocaust’: alleged to be the greatest mass murder in history, yet not a scrap of forensic evidence.”

            Well, a crapload of Jews disappeared during the war, eah. Where did they go?

            Plus, we have this:

            http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/topic/1894

            And this:

            http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/05/mass-graves-at-nazi-extermination-camps.html?m=1

            Oh, can’t forget the pictures:

            http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/10/mass-graves-and-dead-bodies.html?m=1

            corrected

            “More than “corrected” — I showed how your comment was absolutely idiotic — it made no sense whatsoever — did you miss all of that? — moron.”

            No, you just showed me what gigantic douche you are.
            Oh, a giant douche with no answers.

            Why don’t you prove me wrong?

            Show me evidence of where these Jews were sent if the Nazis didn’t murder them, eah. Prove all these years of denial isn’t completely full of shit.

            Douchebag.

            Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 8:13 am

            • You wrote: “the pre war German word for a shower “Brausebad” has had to be replaced by “Dusche”

              You are right about that. When I came back to the USA after being in Germany for 2 years, I used the word Brausebad when speaking to someone in America. I was quickly corrected and told that the word Brausebad is no longer used to mean a shower because it was the word over the door into the Dachau gas chamber.

              Comment by furtherglory — August 5, 2016 @ 8:23 am

              • This Is off topic,but what’s the real story with Rudolf Hess going to Scotland to negotiate with England ? They arrested his ass. I figure they would’ve wanted to talk with Hess and see if there might be a way to put the breaks on the war. I know towards the end of his life,his family was trying to get him outta the pen,but the Reds kept blocking that shit

                Comment by Tim — August 5, 2016 @ 9:30 am

                • Tim, off topic but Wolf is still posting to his FB account so I guess he is doing OK.
                  I wanted to let FG know this as well.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 11:02 am

                • You wrote: “Wolf is still posting to his FB account”

                  Thank you for telling me this. I am very happy to know that he is O.K. His doctor probably told him to stop writing comments here because it was upsetting him.

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 5, 2016 @ 11:38 am

                • You are welcome. You’ve expressed concern over his welfare and I wanted to reassure you and Tim. I check his FB page every so often just to make sure he is still posting and is OK.

                  Really, I am a nice person. Generally.

                  🙂

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 11:54 am

                • Jeff….We are generally nice people too but we don’t like to get jerked around by people who want to have it their way all the time.
                  Liars have to be exposed and WE are try our best in doing it.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — August 5, 2016 @ 12:06 pm

                • One of the things the Jews did that was most instrumental in taking my four cable shows off the air was their testifying against me .
                  They said the shows were causing trauma and mental stress to the people watching them…..So I said then stop watching them…LOL
                  They don’t seem to care that we have to listen to their B/S everyday ad naseum…. Sadly they succeeded in pulling the shows.
                  Now they have to deal with DK because she has brought the cable shows back and produces them herself. I’m sure they will pull the same old B/S to take her shows off the air too at some point in time, thats what they do…. The AF-TV Cable station is run by the Jews so they are not happy about her shows destroying the HoloHoax myth. In fact they have produced their own boring show about HoloHoax survivors….pretty bad to say the least.
                  The Jews are pretty organized in finding out what is out there that exposes them and they hunt the information down to get the info off the internet and cable TV as quick as they can.
                  So you ask me why I have a problem with the Jews…..I don’t have a problem with them they have the problem with me….

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — August 5, 2016 @ 12:03 pm

                • You wrote: “They said the shows were causing trauma and mental stress to the people watching them”

                  I don’t agree with that statement. In watching your shows, I felt that you were being very kind to the people that you were interviewing.

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 5, 2016 @ 12:44 pm

                • It makes sense to me. I read somewhere,that part of the reason for holo laws,is to save the Jews from bad memories,which in turn would hurt their feelings. Like I always say,”welcome to the world. Nobody is loved”. I find it to be the main reason why they dropped his shows. The Jews were getting their feelings hurt. We gotta worry about the Jews crying over people that question the holo. Okay. Here’s my question. What about the younger generation in Germany . Why are they being made to feel guilty,about something that may or may not have happened damn near 70 years ago?

                  Comment by Tim — August 5, 2016 @ 9:05 pm

                • You wrote: “What about the younger generation in Germany.”

                  I have an American friend, who married a German man, and now lives in Germany. He refuses to speak one word about the Holocaust because he fears that he might go to prison if he says the wrong thing. He has taught his son never to say anything about the Jews.

                  There are now over 1 million Jews in Germany and the German people live in fear of them.

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 6, 2016 @ 5:34 am

                • That explains why the Germans are allowing the country to be taken over by the illegal immigrants. The Jews are bringing them all in and to speak about the immigrants you’ll be speaking out against the Jews so the people in Germany a hog-tied and what they say and they don’t say anything sad sad.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 6, 2016 @ 7:28 am

                • What bought my comment up,was a show I saw some years back. It was like very late 90’s. This person was interviewing this German. Really good looking young gal. She was maybe 25 at the time. She was crying her eyes out. Said she was ashamed to be German . There was no reason for her to feel that way,but the Jews got her on a guilt trip. Hell her parents may not have even been alive yet during ww2

                  Comment by Tim — August 6, 2016 @ 1:50 pm

                • You wrote: “the Jews got her on a guilt trip.”
                  That’s the whole point of the Holocaust mania — to make the goyim feel guilty, and to get money from the goyim.

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 6, 2016 @ 3:49 pm

                • And that shows what real low life’s they are. They’re dragging people into their shit,that don’t belong there.

                  Comment by Tim — August 6, 2016 @ 10:04 pm

                • You wrote: “What about the younger generation in Germany.”

                  The younger generation in Germany has been taught to bow down to the Jews. The Germans are now afraid of the Jews who are now back in Germany, lying cheating and stealing as much as they want.

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 6, 2016 @ 5:41 am

                • Is that like the public access TV channels your shows were on? I agree with you a 100%. If your show upsets them,then flip the channel. Clearly they forgot about,”free speech”.

                  Comment by Tim — August 5, 2016 @ 7:58 pm

                • I thought I heard someone here say that. It was you. Yeah,I’m thinking going back and forth with the opposition here,may have put unwanted stress on him. So his Dr. Told him to stay away

                  Comment by Tim — August 5, 2016 @ 7:53 pm

                • Tim wrote: “what’s the real story with Rudolf Hess going to Scotland to negotiate with England ? They arrested his ass. I figure they would’ve wanted to talk with Hess and see if there might be a way to put the breaks on the war.”

                  Believing Churchill’s ruling warmongers wanted peace, would be a big mistake. Just as in America, Duke Hamilton’s peace mongers were completely unable to prevail over the warmongering side. Hess was sent to UK on the orders of Hitler. But since Hitler couldn’t afford to publicly look like a weak leader (the worst possible thing during a war) sacrificing the Reich’s number 3 himself with another of his peace offers, it was agreed that Hitler would deny his own involvement if Hess’ mission failed. So Hitler claimed Hess’ flight was on Hess’ initiative alone when the mission finally failed.

                  http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p291_anon.html

                  Comment by hermie — August 5, 2016 @ 8:37 pm

                • That makes sense. I can understand why Hitler wanted plausible deniability. On the other hand it shows,he wasn’t all about war. Considering the Limeys didn’t want to work with Hess,shows who the real war pigs were.

                  Comment by Tim — August 5, 2016 @ 9:11 pm

                • “We never thought of peace, not even in that year when we were completely isolated and could have made peace without serious detriment to the British Empire. Why should we think of it now, when victory approaches for the three of us?” – Winston Churchill, letter to Joseph Stalin, January 1944.

                  “It’s all the fault of the anti-appeasers and the fucking Jews.” – 5th Duke of Wellington about WW2, diaries of Evelyn Waugh and Harold Nicolson.

                  “Played golf today with Joe Kennedy [Joseph Kennedy, US Ambassador to Great Britain right before World War II and father of future US President John F. Kennedy]. I asked him about his conversations with Roosevelt and Neville Chamberlain from 1938 on. […] Chamberlain, he [Joseph Kennedy] says, stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war. In his [US diplomat William C. Bullit’s] telephone conversation with Roosevelt in the summer of 1939 the President kept telling him to put some iron up Chamberlain’s backside [for war].” – US Secretary of Defense James Forrestal’s diaries, December 27, 1945.

                  “Will your offer peace terms to Germany?” – reporter for Time Magazine
                  “Heavens, no! They would accept immediately.” – Winston Churchill, summer 1943, Quebec.

                  “It was not my ambition to wage wars, but to build up a new social state of the highest culture. And every year of war takes me away from my work.[…] In this hour I feel it to be my duty before my own conscience to appeal once more to reason and common sense in Great Britain as much as elsewhere. I consider myself in a position to make this appeal, since I am not the vanquished begging favors, but the victor speaking in the name of reason. I can see no reason why this war must go on. I am grieved to think of the sacrifices it will claim. I should like to avert them. […] Possibly Mr. Churchill again will brush aside this statement of mine by saying that it is merely born of fear and of doubt in our final victory. In that case I shall have relieved my conscience in regard to the things to come.” – Adolf Hitler, July 19, 1940.

                  Comment by hermie — August 6, 2016 @ 8:50 am

                • In addition to “not” trusting the Ruskies,I don’t trust Joe Kennedy either. He was no better than his buddies Capone and Luciano. Now that I think about,certain members of his family can’t be trusted either. Mr. Murder himself. Ted Kennedy. There was a joke going around back when Iran took all those hostages. The joke was,”I got good news and bad news. Good news Iran just released all the hostages. Bad news is,Ted Kennedy is gonna drive them home”. The people that Joe Kennedy played cow pasture pool with,I’m gonna question them. For them,it’s guilt by association. Shit. Joe could’ve probably went around and greased a few palms,and there wouldn’t have been a Nuremberg

                  Comment by Tim — August 6, 2016 @ 1:44 pm

            • So this is your answer to such a simple question — reams of regurgitated bullshit — an intellectual wasteland of copy and paste.

              Stupid pathetic cretin.

              Comment by eah — August 5, 2016 @ 8:33 am

              • “So this is your answer to such a simple question — reams of regurgitated bullshit — an intellectual wasteland of copy and paste.

                Stupid pathetic cretin.”

                I actually went through Himmler’s speech, skid mark. Himmler’s speech is split into sections, I focused on what he said about Jews in the section of the speech that deal EXCLUSIVELY with the Jews, ass hat. Himmler didn’t switch back and forth, he focused exclusively on the Jews.

                Why did he say, numb nuts?

                He compared the actions against the Jews, an unpleasant act, with the same unpleasant action taken against the SA and others in 1934. The men purged were executed, not deported. Did you not know that, dip shit?

                He talked about how everyone understood what it meant when bodies were lying together. This is in a section about Jews, not Germans

                Dumb ass.

                He says that the moral right exists to kill this people that wanted to kill them. This in a section exclusively devoted to Jews.

                Does Himmler mention anyone else in this section? Does he? Or, does the Nazi shit covering your eyes so deep you can’t comprehend this?

                Who is the moron now? Apparently you can’t figure out that Himmler only talked about Jews, the “eradication of a bacillus, the moral right to kill the people that want to kill them?”

                You know, it amazes me that deniers lack the ability to comprehend something about their poor departed heroes.

                You are pathetic. How do you function in the real world?

                Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 8:56 am

                • Edit:

                  Why should be what

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 8:57 am

            • You are right about that.

              The idiot “Jeff K” did not write it — Peter wrote that about “Brausebad” and “Dusche” in an earlier comment — “Jeff K” copied/pasted it here in his usual asinine, unintelligible fashion.

              Comment by eah — August 5, 2016 @ 8:39 am

              • “The idiot “Jeff K” did not write it — Peter wrote that about “Brausebad” and “Dusche” in an earlier comment — “Jeff K” copied/pasted it here in his usual asinine, unintelligible fashion.”

                Well, at least I don’t have reading comprehension problems.

                Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 8:58 am

            • What the hell is,”denier manipulation of the language” mean. I know communication between 2 people (or 2 nations) can get pretty f–ked up if people don’t know how to use language and communication skills,but I’m guessing that ain’t what this means

              Comment by Tim — August 5, 2016 @ 9:17 pm

        • I’m not in love with the nazis,but you gotta admit,their uniforms kicked ass. I had a friend years back that was putting together a “SS” uniform . Everything on his uniform he was putting together,was the real deal. He told me the thread they used on the SS collar tab were dipped in real silver. That’s hardcore. Like Lemmy from Motörhead said,the nazis were the rock stars of their day. Their uniforms were ahead of everyone else’s .

          Comment by Tim — August 5, 2016 @ 8:13 pm

    • All you’ve managed to do here is to confirm that the Final Solution was in fact an evacuation and a deportation. Goering’s directive says;-

      “Supplementary to the task entrusted to you by the decree of January 24, 1939, to solve the Jewish question under the prevailing circumstances by emigration or evacuation in the most favourable way possible, I herewith commission you to carry out all necessary preparations in regard to organizational, practical and material matters for a total solution of the Jewish
      question in the German sphere of influence within Europe”.

      Plus the fact, that this directive was issued by Goering back on the 31 July 1941. What we want is concrete proof that Himmler said the words that are accredited to him in the speech at Posen over two years later.

      I’m afraid that you have got to do better than this, to convince us stalwart revisionists to change our position.

      Comment by Talbot — August 5, 2016 @ 7:51 am

      • “I’m afraid that you have got to do better than this, to convince us stalwart revisionists to change our position.”

        I’m not trying to convince YOU, Talbot. You are hopeless. You’ve drank so much denier Kool-Aid its effectively ruined your ability to comprehend the truth.
        Let’s sum up for the class, shall we?
        You have no proof of where any of these Jews went during the war. Your explanation of why there is no proof is hard to swallow, you are reduced to saying that the Soviets destroyed documentation without having any proof that this happened.
        You, Talbot, are reduced to questioning the authenticity of the documents I provide….with no proof of forgery.
        You are reduced to questioning what the Poles and Soviets investigated and found after the war….with no plausible explanation to what they found, other than the Soviets and Poles have some sort of “interest” in maintaining the status quo. What that status quo is you’ve never bothered to explain. Besides, who else would have done these investigations?

        I’m sure there are other things.

        I’m not doing this for you, Talbot. My interest is only making sure that actual real history has a say.

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 3:30 pm

        • Speaking about those forgeries etc….I’m reading now….short booklet
          Did 6 Million Really Die ? P 20-1

          FALSIFIED EVIDENCE AND FRAUDULENT AFFIDAVITS

          Spurious testimony at Nuremberg which included extravagant statements in support of the myth of the Six Million was invariably given by former German officers because of pressure, either severe torture as in the cases cited previously, or the assurance of leniency for themselves if they supplied the required statements. An example of the latter was the testimony of S.S. General Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski. He was threatened with execution himself because of his suppression of the revolt by Polish partisans at Warsaw in August 1944, which he carried out with his S.S. brigade of White Russians. He was therefore prepared to be “co-operative”. The evidence of Bach-Zelewski constituted the basis of the testimony against the Reichsführer of the S.S. Heinrich Himmler at the main Nuremberg Trial (Trial of the Major War Criminals, Vol.IV, pp, 29, 36). In March 1941, on the eve of the invasion of Russia, Himmler invited the Higher S.S. Leaders to his Castle at Wewelsburg for a conference, including Bach-Zelewski who was an expert on partisan warfare.

          In his Nuremberg evidence, he depicted Himmler speaking in grandiose terms at this conference about the liquidation of peoples in Eastern Europe, but Goering, in the courtroom, denounced Bach-Zelewski to his face for the falsity of this testimony. An especially outrageous allegation concerned a supposed declaration by Himmler that one of the aims of the Russian campaign was to “decimate the Slav population by thirty millions.” What Himmler really said is given by his Chief of Staff, Wolff – that war in Russia was certain to result in millions of dead (Manvell & Frankl, ibid. p. 117). Another brazen falsehood was BachZelewski’s accusation that on August 31st, 1942 Himmler personally witnessed the execution of one hundred Jews by an Einsatz detachment at Minsk, causing him to nearly faint. It is known, however, that on this date Himmler was in conference at his field headquarters at Zhitomir in the Ukraine (cf K. Vowinckel, Die Wehrmacht im Kampf, vol. 4, p. 275). Much is made of BachZelewski’s evidence in all the books on Himmler, especially Willi Frischauer’s Himmler:

          Evil Genius of the Third Reich (London, 1953, p. 148ff). However, in April 1959, Bach-Zelewski publicly repudiated his Nuremberg testimony before a West German court. He admitted that his earlier statements had not the slightest foundation in fact, and that he had made them for the sake of expediency and his own survival. The German court, after careful deliberation, accepted his retraction. Needless to say, what Veale calls the “Iron Curtain of Discreet Silence” descended immediately over these events. They have had no influence whatever on the books which propagate the myth of the Six Million, and Bach-Zelewski’s testimony on Himmler is still taken at its face value. The truth concerning Himmler is provided ironically by an anti-Nazi – Felix Kersten, his physician and masseur. Because Kersten was opposed to the regime, he tends to support the legend that the internment of Jews meant their extermination.

          But from his close personal knowledge of Himmler he cannot help but tell the truth concerning him, and in his Memoirs 1940-1945 (London, 1956, p. 119 ff) he is emphatic in stating that Heinrich Himmler did not advocate liquidating the Jews but favoured their emigration overseas. Neither does Kersten implicate Hitler. However, the credibility of his anti-Nazi narrative is completely shattered when, in search of an alternative villain, he declares that Dr. Goebbels was the real advocate of “extermination”. This nonsensical allegation is amply disproved by the fact that Goebbels was still concerned with the Madagascar project even after it had been temporarily shelved by the German Foreign Office, as we showed earlier. So much for false evidence at Nuremberg. Reference has also been made to the thousands of fraudulent “written affidavits” which were accepted by the Nuremberg Court without any attempt to ascertain the authenticity of their contents or even their authorship. These hearsay documents, often of the most bizarre kind, were introduced as “evidence” so long as they bore the required signature. A typical prosecution affidavit contested by the defence in the Concentration Camp Trial of 1947 was that of Alois Hoellriegel, a member of the camp personnel at Mauthausen in Austria.

          This affidavit, which the defence proved was fabricated during Hoellriegel’s torture, had already been used to secure the conviction of S.S. General Ernst Kaltenbrunner in 1946. It claimed that a mass gassing operation had taken place at Mauthausen and that Hoellriegel had witnessed Kaltenbrunner (the highest S.S. Leader in the Reich excepting Himmler) actually taking part in it. By the time of the Concentration Camp Trial (Pohl’s trial) a year later, it had become impossible to sustain this piece of nonsense when it was produced in court again. The defence not only demonstrated that the affidavit was falsified, but showed that all deaths at Mauthausen were systematically checked by the local police authorities. They were also entered on a camp register, and particular embarrassment was caused to the prosecution when the Mauthausen register, one of the few that survived, was produced in evidence. The defence also obtained numerous affidavits from former inmates of Mauthausen (a prison camp chiefly for criminals) testifying to humane and orderly conditions there.

          Comment by Jim Rizoli — August 5, 2016 @ 3:53 pm

        • All I asked for – was have you got any proof that Heinrich Himmler actually used these words in his address to the Nazi dignitaries in October 1943. If you have, then please produce it – if not, then that is…….sad.

          But there is no purpose in calling me “hopeless”, or of drinking too much of something of what you call “Kool Aid. And what makes you think that you sit at the fountain-head of “truth” about these events of 75 years ago. Just because you have read a few history books, and are prepared to trust in the integrity and honesty of the Soviets and Poles who failed to carry out any search for human remains and yet maintained for years and years that 4 million human souls were put to death at Auschwitz – does not mean that the rest of us have to become eager communist groupies like your good self.

          This might come as a surprise to you, Jeff – but I have actually taken the trouble to visit all the following sites in Europe which are connected to this so-called “holocaust”;-

          Fort Breendonck ( the SS prison in Belgium )
          Camp Vught ( .. .. prison in the southern Netherlands )
          Camp Amersfoort ( the forced labour transit camp in the central Netherlands )
          Royalieu ( the deportation center in France )
          Arras ( the Nazi execution site in northern France )
          Dachau
          Auschwitz-Birkenau
          Krakow ( the Plaszow concentration camp, plus the Gestapo prison )
          Treblinka ( both camps )
          Warsaw ( the site and memorials of the former ghetto )
          Berlin ( the holocaust memorial )
          Sachsenhausen
          Bergen-Belsen

          I thus feel perfectly qualified to make my comments on FG’s website without your gracious permission – thank you very much.

          Comment by Talbot — August 5, 2016 @ 7:00 pm

          • “All I asked for – was have you got any proof that Heinrich Himmler actually used these words in his address to the Nazi dignitaries in October 1943. If you have, then please produce it – if not, then that is…….sad.”

            Sure.
            I have audio recordings:

            http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-posen.htm

            Here is additional information:

            http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/index.shtml

            “But there is no purpose in calling me “hopeless”, or of drinking too much of something of what you call “Kool Aid.”

            But, I feel that you are, Talbot. You make baseless accusations without a trace of proof. You insinuate things that you can’t prove and then say you don’t have to. I provide documentation, books, websites. You haven’t provided anything.

            “And what makes you think that you sit at the fountain-head of “truth” about these events of 75 years ago.”

            I never claimed to.
            I joined a site called “Skeptics Forum.”
            It was quite humbling. Some of the people there know far more than I ever did, their grasp of the documentation is amazing.
            What I do have is a grasp of the time period.

            “Just because you have read a few history books, and are prepared to trust in the integrity and honesty of the Soviets and Poles who failed to carry out any search for human remains”

            You obviously didn’t read the links I posted. The Soviets and Poles investigated the sites and found human remains. You didn’t see the link with the pictures of mass graves and bodies.

            “and yet maintained for years and years that 4 million human souls were put to death at Auschwitz”

            I think that’s an improvement. You didn’t say ” 4 million Jews.”
            Serious researchers questioned those numbers from the beginning. Also, the Soviets made a mistake in the number and maintained it because they didn’t want to seem wrong…….but exaggeration doesn’t mean that none of it was true.

            “– does not mean that the rest of us have to become eager communist groupies like your good self.”

            Oh, get over yourself, Talbot. Don’t be ridiculous.
            The investigations made by the Poles and Soviets match witness, victim and perpatrator testimony. This matches the available documents we have. Match that with the disappearance of over 5 million Jews and you have genocide.
            You don’t have a better explanation with proof, Talbot. If you did you would provide it.

            “This might come as a surprise to you, Jeff – but I have actually taken the trouble to visit all the following sites in Europe which are connected to this so-called “holocaust”-”

            Good for you. Lucky for you live closer to the sites than I do.
            News flash:
            Jim’s never visited the sites either.

            Fort Breendonck ( the SS prison in Belgium )
            Camp Vught ( .. .. prison in the southern Netherlands )
            Camp Amersfoort ( the forced labour transit camp in the central Netherlands )
            Royalieu ( the deportation center in France )
            Arras ( the Nazi execution site in northern France )
            Dachau
            Auschwitz-Birkenau
            Krakow ( the Plaszow concentration camp, plus the Gestapo prison )
            Treblinka ( both camps )
            Warsaw ( the site and memorials of the former ghetto )
            Berlin ( the holocaust memorial )
            Sachsenhausen
            Bergen-Belsen

            “I thus feel perfectly qualified to make my comments on FG’s website without your gracious permission – thank you very much.”

            I never said you needed permission.

            Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 11:27 pm

            • Jeff says;- “You obviously didn’t read the links I posted. The Soviets and Poles investigated the sites and found human remains.”

              You have produced recent Polish investigative reports for Belzec and Chelmno – which I found unconvincing, because neither reports had any photographs of the archaeological and forensic operations underway. Nor was there any large-scale plans produced that indicated the precise locations where the remains lie buried. Neither were there any cross-sections of the ground, showing the depth of human remains that were alleged to have been discovered.

              We are still waiting for a forensic report from Auschwitz-Birkenau and Treblinka, which would decisively prove that an enormous amount of human remains (almost 2 million!) lie in the vicinity of these two former camps.

              What is going on at Sobibor, is anyone’s guess. I certainly haven’t seen any forensic report as of yet.

              And as for Majdanek – at least we’ve got the massive silo that is alleged to contain human ashes, But once again, where is the report confirming that these are indeed human remains, and also detailing the precise locations in and around the former camp where they were discovered.

              Comment by Talbot — August 6, 2016 @ 5:38 am

              • No one with a logical mind is going to say there were no people killed we know people were killed but the mass Graves that they are talking about here don’t exist… there might be a few hundred people here and there because these people died naturally in the camps from starvation sickness disease or whatever but to say there’s a million people buried in a mass grave somewhere it doesn’t exist because it didn’t happen so they want you to think that finding these little graves are going to make you feel good.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — August 6, 2016 @ 7:33 am

                • You are quite right, Jim – there are no mass pits or large-scale deposits of human remains at any of these sites, but there could be small numbers of graves of people who died at these places. The post-war archaeological and forensic investigations were simply half-baked propaganda exercises done purely to paint the Germans in the worst light possible. There were ongoing war crimes trials and tribunals at the time – and this was the ballast that was used to obtain the convictions.

                  The more recent archaeological work is just as questionable, because it is all carried out by teams that either originate in Poland itself, or Israel. The results that they produce cannot possibly be accepted by any independent-minded observer, because not only do these nations have a vested interest in propping-up the fraudulent holohoax, but they have strict criminal laws that penalise anyone who even questions the official version of the holocaust. Therefore, how could any personnel involved in these projects carry out a truly impartial study – they would immediately be sent to prison!

                  Comment by Talbot — August 6, 2016 @ 8:34 am

                • I’m still waiting to see your evidence on where these Jews went in the Soviet Union.

                  Do you at least have train schedules?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 6, 2016 @ 10:08 am

                • “No one with a logical mind is going to say there were no people killed we know people were killed but the mass Graves that they are talking about here don’t exist… there might be a few hundred people here and there because these people died naturally in the camps from starvation sickness disease or whatever but to say there’s a million people buried in a mass grave somewhere it doesn’t exist because it didn’t happen so they want you to think that finding these little graves are going to make you feel good.”

                  Jim, I’m still waiting to see a copy of the report produced during the 1972 Vienna Trial stating the crematorium were not suitable to be used as gas chambers.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 6, 2016 @ 10:06 am

              • “You have produced recent Polish investigative reports for Belzec and Chelmno – which I found unconvincing, because neither reports had any photographs of the archaeological and forensic operations underway. Nor was there any large-scale plans produced that indicated the precise locations where the remains lie buried. Neither were there any cross-sections of the ground, showing the depth of human remains that were alleged to have been discovered.”

                All of that was included.

                This is what fascinates me about deniers. You can give them what they want and more but they will always ask for more. Their mind is already made up. Eventually you run out of things to give them……I do all of this on-line, I’m not a professional historian and I do not have access to Polish research, Soviet research, German research, etc., they then say “Gotcha!” without providing anything of their own. That’s a neat way of never having to provide anything.

                “We are still waiting for a forensic report from Auschwitz-Birkenau and Treblinka, which would decisively prove that an enormous amount of human remains (almost 2 million!) lie in the vicinity of these two former camps.”

                It’s a little hard to forensically examine ash, Talbot.
                There were bodies found at Birkenau when the Soviets liberated the camp, I provided pictures of those.

                “What is going on at Sobibor, is anyone’s guess. I certainly haven’t seen any forensic report as of yet.”

                Archeological digs found the gas chambers, along with bodies. They found the cremation area as well.

                “And as for Majdanek – at least we’ve got the massive silo that is alleged to contain human ashes, But once again, where is the report confirming that these are indeed human remains, and also detailing the precise locations in and around the former camp where they were discovered.”

                Snore.

                I’ll give you another chance, Talbot.
                If these were transit camps then please tell me where these Jews went, along with proof. There should at least be train schedules to destinations in the Soviet Union.

                Comment by Jeff K. — August 6, 2016 @ 10:03 am

                • Jeff…You continue to say WE have to prove something….
                  We don’t have to prove anything…..if you can’t prove what happened to them that is your problem.
                  This goes along with the B/S that Jews said they saw their parents, kids, go to the right or left whatever, and never saw them again….
                  So they conclude they were killed……How about they were transferred out of the camp to who knows where.
                  Some peoples stay in the camps were just one day. So they obviously weren’t killed.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 6, 2016 @ 10:14 am

                • You wrote: “How about they were transferred out of the camp to who knows where.
                  Some peoples stay in the camps were just one day. So they obviously weren’t killed.”

                  You are correct. Auschwitz was the largest railroad hub in the world. Trains could come into Auschwitz, and the prisoners could be sent the next day to another place. The prisoners who came in one day, and were gone the next day, had been put on another train and taken somewhere else. They were not registered at Auschwitz because they were sent somewhere else.

                  Treblinka was another railroad hub and prisoners who came there were given a shower before being sent somewhere else.

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/why-auschwitz-was-chosen-by-the-germans-as-the-location-of-their-largest-camp/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 6, 2016 @ 10:29 am

                • Where is the copy of the report I asked for?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 6, 2016 @ 10:32 am

                • Give me a hint….

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 6, 2016 @ 10:34 am

                • The report produced during the 1972 Vienna Trial saying the crematorium were unsuitable to be turned into gas chambers.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 6, 2016 @ 10:37 am

                • I’m sure there were train schedules to destinations in the Soviet Union, Jeff – but you seem to forget that the Soviet Union completely invaded Eastern Germany in 1945 and captured the whole of Berlin. Thus, they had total access to ALL German government, SS, police and military files and documents that had not been destroyed in the war itself, or by the retreating Germans.

                  To me, it does not seem beyond the realms of possibility – and even probability – that the Soviets deliberately with-held this kind of information from the world, because they were in the process of building up the image of mass exterminations of Jews and other people inside the Reich and the occupied territories.

                  This action by the Soviets seems perversely logical and feasible in the conditions that prevailed at the time, and once the series of trials and tribunals were over, then any kind of information that would contradict the official narrative would have to disappear for ever.

                  Comment by Talbot — August 6, 2016 @ 10:54 am

                • Prove it.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 6, 2016 @ 11:08 am

                • “To me, it does not seem beyond the realms of possibility – and even probability – that the Soviets deliberately with-held this kind of information from the world, because they were in the process of building up the image of mass exterminations of Jews and other people inside the Reich and the occupied territories.”

                  Why?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 6, 2016 @ 11:19 am

                • You asked “Why?” the Soviets withheld information.
                  I wrote about how the Holocaust was proved by the piles of shoes that were found in the camps.

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/piles-of-shoes-prove-that-the-jews-were-gassed-in-the-nazi-death-camps/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 6, 2016 @ 11:43 am

  4. @Talbot:

    Himmler allegedly says;-

    “I ask you that what I tell you in this circle you will really only hear and never talk about it.”

    “Then the obvious question arises;- Why was this highly secretive oral information faithfully recorded in documented form, retained on file, and allowed to fall into the hands of the Soviets. Does that seem very logical or likely?”

    Yes, because speeches were recorded and transcribed.

    Don’t believe it?

    Prove it.

    “The wording is questionable too. Himmler says “I decided to find a very clear solution”. Well, a decision of this magnitude would have to be authorised by Hitler himself –”

    Except that Goering, through Hitler, authorized the SS to deal with the Jews.

    Don’t believe me?

    Prove it.

    “Himmler would not have the authority without the express permission from the Fuehrer. And Himmler would have been keen to make that very clear to his audience in order to assure them that this program was authorised at the very highest level of the German government – and was not just a whim of his own.”

    See above, Talbot.

    Himmler then says;- “I didn’t consider myself entitled to exterminate the men, that is, to kill them or to have them killed.”

    “Are we really expected to believe that Himmler would freely use the word “exterminate” in a verbal address to a large audience of dignitaries – and then go on to emphasise this message by mentioning the words “kill” twice in the very same sentence.”

    Well, he was plain on October 4th.

    “Methinks the unknown character who fabricated Himmler’s words is overplaying his hand here, by trying to ensure that we, the readers, get the message loud and clear that a “genocide” had taken place. And he then goes on to punch this message home by including the women and children, so that the reader is not left with any ambiguity of what had taken place. The forger has also craftily given us a spurious reason as to why the children should also be included in the mass killing;-”

    Yes, what a fascinating theory.

    I’m afraid I need to see proof.

    Please provide evidence of your theory.

    “to let the children grow up as avengers against our sons and grandsons. The difficult decision had to be taken to make this people disappear from the earth.”

    “Total garbage – I don’t believe Himmler ever said these words.”

    Don’t believe it?

    I need to see proof that any of what you say is true.

    Let me know when you have something.

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 6:56 am

    • No Jeff, you’ve got to prove that Himmler used these words.

      Please provide us with a photocopy of the signed and stamped document that records these alleged words of Himmler. Tell us who found the document – where, and what date it was found.

      Was this document studied by all the Allied powers – or were they only supplied a transcript which had been translated by the Russians.

      Please tell us where the original document is located today.

      Could you also provide us with the sworn testimonies of any of the participants at the meting in Posen, that verifies Himmler actually used these words.

      Comment by Talbot — August 5, 2016 @ 7:28 am

      • “No Jeff, you’ve got to prove that Himmler used these words.”

        No, I don’t think so, Talbot.

        You believe this is a forgery?

        Prove it.

        I need to what denier investigated this matter and concluded this was a forgery, how they concluded this was a forgery and what methods they used to prove this was a forgery.

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 7:41 am

  5. Much better than Himmler playing Holo Psy Ops at Posen…

    Comment by hermie — August 4, 2016 @ 8:20 pm

  6. Still waiting for ” Jeff K ” to put up the Himmler’s speech in its original language so we can debate the meaning of the speech. .Maybe ” Jeff K ” thinks that Himmler spoke in English .

    Comment by peter — August 4, 2016 @ 12:56 am

    • You can view (what is said to be) the German text here — or a version of the German text — no idea if it is accurate or not (including eg if it matches with other sources) — click on “PDF” to generate/download the text in PDF format.

      Comment by eah — August 4, 2016 @ 3:03 am

      • Yes I have read it and it is a very long speech with only a small mentions of the Jewish evacuation. Himmler points out that the war had left many cities in Germany with thousands dead and if the Jews were there agitating as they did in the first world war they wouldn’t have been able to carry on. He also points out the embarrassing fact that some German SS officers had been shot for stealing Reich property which came from the Jews. Nothing sinister to find.
        The manipulation of this speech reminds me of how the MSM have twisted and used Trump ‘s utterances over the last week.

        Comment by peter — August 4, 2016 @ 4:46 am

      • Nothing sinister to find.

        In the speech (auf Deutsch):

        Die Judenevakuierung — Himmler says the two words “Die Judenevakuierung” = the ‘evacuation’/relocation/deportation of the Jews, as if to emphasize this is his new topic — Ich meine jetzt die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes — here he uses “Judenevakuierung” and “Ausrottung” of the Jews in the same sentence, as if they are comparable/mean the same thing; this full sentence undermines the claim “Ausrottung” means extermination/murder, and shows how “Ausrottung” is taken out of context — “ganz klar, steht in unserem Programm, Ausschaltung der Juden, Ausrottung, machen wir” — “Ausschaltung” = expulsion, exclusion — Von Euch werden die meisten wissen, was es heißt, wenn 100 Leichen beisammen liegen, wenn 500 daliegen oder wenn 1000 daliegen — given “Judenevakuierung”/”Ausschaltung”, the references to corpses seems odd and out of place here; in any case he does not say, and it is not at all obvious, that he is referring to dead Jews — denn wir wissen, wie schwer wir uns täten, wenn wir heute noch in jeder Stadt – bei den Bombenangriffen, bei den Lasten und bei den Entbehrungen des Krieges – noch die Juden als Geheimsaboteure, Agitatoren und Hetzer hätten — because in the next passage he talks about the effects of the war on Germans and Germany in general (which includes seeing dead people, in battle and in bombed cities), and how it would be worse for the Germans if Jews were agitating etc, as they (socialists) did near the end of WWI.

        SS officers had been shot

        Yes, he does emphasize that the property taken from Jews belongs to the Reich, and SS men who steal or behave improperly will be harshly treated — der ist des Todes — the penalty could be execution. Interesting that he also regrets the heavy early death toll among Russian POWs (due to maltreatment), since they could have been used als Arbeitskraft.

        einen Bazillus ausrotteten, an dem Bazillus krank werden und sterben

        The word “Bazillus” is used as a (not very nice) metaphor — the verb is the same: ‘ausrotten’.

        As I said: the speech proves nothing — per above, it can be impeached to the point where it is worth little even as circumstantial evidence — but ‘exterminationists’ will continue to point to words like ‘ausrotten’, “Leichen”, “Bazillus”, etc, especially ‘ausrotten’, which is removed from its context, as “evidence” for the ‘Holocaust’ — but when you read the whole thing you get a different impression.

        Comment by eah — August 4, 2016 @ 6:41 am

    • “Von Euch werden die meisten wissen, was es heißt, wenn 100 Leichen beisammen liegen, wenn 500 daliegen oder wenn 1000 daliegen.”

      Ok, Talbot.

      Translate and explain to me what this means.

      Comment by Jeff K. — August 4, 2016 @ 6:50 am

      • You tell me Mr K. – I don’t speak or read German.

        Comment by Talbot — August 4, 2016 @ 7:03 am

        • “Von Euch werden die meisten wissen, was es heißt, wenn 100 Leichen beisammen liegen, wenn 500 daliegen oder wenn 1000 daliegen.” Ok, Talbot. Translate and explain to me what this means.

          “You tell me Mr K. – I don’t speak or read German.”

          Yeesh. I really shouldn’t type anything in the morning before caffeine.

          My apologies, Talbot. That was intended for Peter, not you.

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 4, 2016 @ 7:09 am

      • You wrote: ““Von Euch werden die meisten wissen, was es heißt, wenn 100 Leichen beisammen liegen, wenn 500 daliegen oder wenn 1000 daliegen.”

        Ok, Talbot.

        Translate and explain to me what this means.

        Most of you will know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie. ” [End of quote from Jeff]

        Here is what the quote means in English: “Most of you will know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie. ”

        We don’t know what bodies are being referred to, but I think that the quote is referring to the bodies of German citizens who have been killed in war time.

        Comment by furtherglory — August 4, 2016 @ 9:06 am

        • indeed that is exactly what it means. This was a few months after Hamburg when in three nights about 40,000 died.

          Comment by peter — August 4, 2016 @ 9:34 am

        • “We don’t know what bodies are being referred to, but I think that the quote is referring to the bodies of German citizens who have been killed in war time.”

          Except that it plainly does not mean that.
          This part of the speech obviously deals with the Jews.

          Why would Himmler switch topics?

          This is the full paragraph:

          “Of course, it’s quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew. Of all those who speak this way, not one has looked on; not one has lived through it. Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there. To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard.”

          Why would Himmler say this:

          “To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard.”

          The passage about “human weaknesses” obviously refers to the passage about SS theft:

          “The riches they had, we’ve taken away from them. I have given a strict order, which SS Group Leader Pohl has carried out, that these riches shall, of course, be diverted to the Reich without exception. We have taken none of it. Individuals who failed were punished according to an order given by me at the beginning, which threatened: he who takes even one mark of it, that’s his death. A number of SS men — not very many — have violated that order, and that will be their death, without mercy.”

          This is the “human weaknesses” that Himmler is talking about.

          But, in the same paragraph, right below “have violated that order, and that will be their death, without mercy,”

          “We had the moral right, we had the duty to our own people, to kill this people which wanted to kill us . But we don’t have the right to enrich ourselves even with one fur, one watch, one mark, one cigarette, or anything else.”

          So, are you saying all of this means something else, in the portion of the speech that deals exclusively with Jews?

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 4, 2016 @ 1:02 pm

          • You wrote: “So, are you saying all of this means something else, in the portion of the speech that deals exclusively with Jews?”

            Yes, I am saying that the paragraph which you quoted means something else.

            These words that you quoted [But we don’t have the right to enrich ourselves even with one fur, one watch, one mark, one cigarette, or anything else.”] refers to the Jews. Who was it who had the furs, the watches, the cigarettes? Were the Germans walking around, during war time, wearing furs and watches? Could the Germans afford cigarettes during war time?
            This quote obviously refers to the Jews who were rich.

            Comment by furtherglory — August 4, 2016 @ 2:10 pm

            • “Yes, I am saying that the paragraph which you quoted means something else.”

              In what way?

              “These words that you quoted [But we don’t have the right to enrich ourselves even with one fur, one watch, one mark, one cigarette, or anything else.”] refers to the Jews. Who was it who had the furs, the watches, the cigarettes? Were the Germans walking around, during war time, wearing furs and watches? Could the Germans afford cigarettes during war time?
              This quote obviously refers to the Jews who were rich.”

              So, you’ve now confirmed that the SS stole from the Jews. You’ve now also confirmed that the bodies Himmler referred to were Jews.

              Which then confirms the fact that Himmler spoke about the killing of Jews.

              Thanks. I’m sure that will make Peter, Hermie, Talbot and eah very happy.

              Comment by Jeff K. — August 4, 2016 @ 3:35 pm

              • You wrote: “So, you’ve now confirmed that the SS stole from the Jews. You’ve now also confirmed that the bodies Himmler referred to were Jews.

                Which then confirms the fact that Himmler spoke about the killing of Jews.”

                Himmler spoke of Jews being dead; he did not say that the Germans killed them. The Jews died during the bombing of Germany, the same as the Germans died.Himmler confirmed that the German people, who were extremely poor, stole from the bodies of Jews who had died in the bombing of Germany back to the stone age.

                Comment by furtherglory — August 4, 2016 @ 3:43 pm

                • “Himmler spoke of Jews being dead; he did not say that the Germans killed them.”

                  Let’s see what Himmler says about this:

                  “We had the moral right, we had the duty to our own people, to kill this people which wanted to kill us .”

                  This whole part of this speech is about Jews. He says that “We had the moral right, we had the duty to our own people, to kill this people which wanted to kill us.”

                  So, Himmler is saying that “We (Germans, SS) had the moral right……to kill this people (Jews) which wanted to kill us.”

                  See? Himmler confirmed it himself. This ties the whole thing about bodies together. Himmler only talked about Jews during this part of his speech.

                  “But we don’t have the right to enrich ourselves even with one fur, one watch, one mark, one cigarette, or anything else.”

                  Back to the statement about punishing those who did.

                  “Just because we eradicated a bacillus,”

                  The comparison to Jews as “bacillus,” worthy of “eradication.”

                  “The Jews died during the bombing of Germany, the same as the Germans died.Himmler confirmed that the German people, who were extremely poor, stole from the bodies of Jews who had died in the bombing of Germany back to the stone age.”

                  He did nothing of the sort. He said the SS was PUNISHED for theft.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 4, 2016 @ 4:44 pm

              • Here is a quote from a speech made by Himmler that will explain the hatred of the Jews:
                Begin quote
                “We must be clear that in the next ten years we face unprecedented conflicts of a critical nature. It is not only the battle of the nations, which have pushed forward only in the case of the opposition, but it is the weltanschauliche battle of the entire Jewry, freemasonry, Marxism and churches of the world. These forces – of which I assume the Jews to be the driving spirit, the origin of all the negatives – are clear that if Germany and Italy are not eradicated, THEY will be eradicated (vernichtet werden). Heinrich Himmler, speech in Munich, Nov. 8, 1938
                End quote

                Note that Himmler says that the Jews will be eradicated, not killed. He was talking about the Jews being sent to Treblinka, or other places; he was talking about chasing the Jews out of Germany.

                Himmler’s father was a protestant preacher. Himmler was very religious; he grew up reading the bible.

                Comment by furtherglory — August 4, 2016 @ 3:49 pm

                • How about something more timely, more in tune with Nazi policy, than 1938?

                  October 6th, 1943:

                  “All German people apart from some exceptions are also clearly aware that we wouldn’t have withstood or withstand the bombing war, the hardships of the fourth and maybe the fifth and sixth war year, if we still had this disintegrating plague in our body popular. The sentence: The Jews must be exterminated with its few words, my dear Sirs, is easily pronounced. For him who must carry out what is required it is the toughest and most difficult thing there is. You see, of course they are Jews, it is very clear, they are just Jews, but consider yourselves how many, also party members addressed their famous request to me or any other entity wherein it said that all Jews were swine of course, that only so-and-so was a decent Jew who was not to be harmed. I dare assert that by the number of requests and the number of opinions there have been more decent Jews in Germany than nominally existed at all. This because in Germany we have so many million people who had their famous one decent Jew that this number is already larger than the number of Jews. I only want to address this because you are able to observe in respectable and decent National Socialist individuals from the living area of your own Gau, that each of them also knows a decent Jew.
                  I ask you that what I tell you in this circle you will really only hear and never talk about it. The question came up to us: What do to with the women and children? I decided to find a very clear solution also in this respect. This because I didn’t consider myself entitled to exterminate the men, that is, to kill them or to have them killed, and to let the children grow up as avengers against our sons and grandsons. The difficult decision had to be taken to make this people disappear from the earth.”

                  There, that’s better.

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/topic/1825/Himmlers-Speech-in-Posen-on-6-October-1943

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 4, 2016 @ 4:50 pm

              • Jeff and all the other Holohucksters that want to believe the Six Million died. We know Jews died there’s no doubt about that, in fact in some cases what happy that some Jews died (troublemakers) but remember it wasn’t 6 million ten million twenty million that were killed and then buried in Mass Graves excetera excetera.
                It’s all called collateral damage of War.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — August 4, 2016 @ 4:58 pm

                • “Jeff and all the other Holohucksters that want to believe the Six Million died. We know Jews died there’s no doubt about that, in fact in some cases what happy that some Jews died (troublemakers) but remember it wasn’t 6 million ten million twenty million that were killed and then buried in Mass Graves excetera excetera.
                  It’s all called collateral damage of War.”

                  No, it’s called genocide, Jim.

                  Sorry. Himmler confirmed this murder.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 4, 2016 @ 6:12 pm

                • Like I said I have no problem with Jews being killed especially if they’re fighting against Germany and trying to stop them and anyway they could to call it a genocide no way.
                  What determines a genocide the numbers killed or the nationality of the group? There have been many more people killed in Russia and China in other countries then the amount of Jews that died during this so call HoloHoax.
                  But the Jews are so special they call it a genocide when only a few hundred thousand of them died
                  And most of the deaths were from natural causes sickness or disease.
                  Life is all about the Jews everything revolves around them Wars finances entertainment media of all kinds it all revolves around them.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 4, 2016 @ 8:30 pm

                • Himmler allegedly says;-

                  “I ask you that what I tell you in this circle you will really only hear and never talk about it.”

                  Then the obvious question arises;- Why was this highly secretive oral information faithfully recorded in documented form, retained on file, and allowed to fall into the hands of the Soviets. Does that seem very logical or likely?

                  The wording is questionable too. Himmler says “I decided to find a very clear solution”. Well, a decision of this magnitude would have to be authorised by Hitler himself – Himmler would not have the authority without the express permission from the Fuehrer. And Himmler would have been keen to make that very clear to his audience in order to assure them that this program was authorised at the very highest level of the German government – and was not just a whim of his own.

                  Himmler then says;- “I didn’t consider myself entitled to exterminate the men, that is, to kill them or to have them killed.”

                  Are we really expected to believe that Himmler would freely use the word “exterminate” in a verbal address to a large audience of dignitaries – and then go on to emphasise this message by mentioning the words “kill” twice in the very same sentence.

                  Methinks the unknown character who fabricated Himmler’s words is overplaying his hand here, by trying to ensure that we, the readers, get the message loud and clear that a “genocide” had taken place. And he then goes on to punch this message home by including the women and children, so that the reader is not left with any ambiguity of what had taken place. The forger has also craftily given us a spurious reason as to why the children should also be included in the mass killing;-

                  “to let the children grow up as avengers against our sons and grandsons. The difficult decision had to be taken to make this people disappear from the earth.”

                  Total garbage – I don’t believe Himmler ever said these words.

                  Comment by Talbot — August 5, 2016 @ 6:21 am

                • I answered you at the top, the indentation is making this difficult to read.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 5, 2016 @ 6:57 am

                • Not only do I not believe the words were said by Himmler.. but would attribute these words to another act of Jew forgery…..that being said….Remember they had the story they wanted to tell (kill all jews) and now had to make all the characters (Germans) in the story toe the party line. Of course they killed most of the Bad guys (Germans) quickly so the story wouldn’t change latter on.
                  Couldn’t have that come back to bite them in the ass later.
                  .Lets not forget any person not going along with the lies The Extermination story…..The Horror Disneyland story….had a tough time of it later if they weren’t killed already. So do you honestly think those that gave false testimony of the lies is going to change his story later….I doubt it. Too much to loose.
                  Even if what Himmler said was true, it didn’t happen. So do we charge people for saying things that didn’t happen…..Oh, I forgot, you can go to jail today for hurting peoples feelings…LOL Remember David Irving was charged years later for things he said, or things he didn’t say but they said he believed in his mind or was going to say, anyway….Welcome to the movie 1984……It’s still playing in real life for all of us.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 5, 2016 @ 9:57 am

                • I’m still waiting for someone to come up with an explanation, as to why the Ruskies are the only country in the world,that has mountains of evidence,to prove the nazis did everything they were accused of. You can’t trust Russia for shit. I can guarantee you,nobody will ever call the Russians down on any of thiat shit. People can trust the Reds all they want. They’ll find out the hard way,the minute they turn their backs,the Ruskies will stab em in the back. Why do people believe anything,that comes out of Moscow ?

                  Comment by Tim — August 5, 2016 @ 9:29 pm

            • Speaking of that. I do remember seeing something about the German folks donating to the war effort . It had something to do with the army not being totally prepared for the winters in Ruskie Wonderland. They showed these folks dropping off,”fur coats”. The Germans didn’t really have any warm clothing for the winter. They were more concerned about their boys on the front line. There is one question i got. Did the Germans at any time,before,during or after the war,mention about the Jews that were murdered down through history? I’m asking,cause if they were in fact,killing all these Jews,they would have some comment like,”hey. You wanna say we’re bad guys because supposedly we’re killing all these Jews. Take a look at history. We’re the new kids on the block,when it comes to that shit. There’s a lot of people that pulled this stunt,long before we were even born”. I’m asking,because it seems like they would’ve made a comment like that,to show that the Jews have always been hated,if they did all this shit history said they did.

              Comment by Tim — August 4, 2016 @ 5:29 pm

  7. I don’t need you, Peter.

    After all, I have CODOH.

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 7:30 pm

  8. “Curiously it won’t allow me to reply to Jeff K. I m still awaiting the original text so I can translate accurately the sentences you have difficulty with .”

    Curious, you did mention you had a high IQ, can you not figure out how the comment section works, Peter?

    I put this at the top to help you out, I don’t want you strain your IQ.

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 6:35 pm

  9. That’s very kind of you to put me right, Jeff – but I would still like to know the name of this mysterious former judge who was mentioned in the courtroom by Fritz Ertl in Austria. You have been able to give us the name of Karl Bischoff’s wife – which doesn’t really matter very much in holocaust history. But this employee of the Political Department is a much more intriguing character, who, if Mr Ertl’s testimony is true, obviously knew a great deal about Auschwitz being an alleged “death camp.”

    It was you, who submitted this document on to this website for us to peruse. I would have thought that you would have taken the trouble to read it through yourself beforehand to ensure that the personnel being referred to can be identified as “real” people. Sadly, it does reminds me of that other strange character that you introduced in one of your “dodgy documents” – namely, Willy Just !

    Comment by Talbot — August 3, 2016 @ 3:10 pm

    • “That’s very kind of you to put me right, Jeff”

      Anytime, Talbot. Always happy to help.

      “but I would still like to know the name of this mysterious former judge who was mentioned in the courtroom by Fritz Ertl in Austria. You have been able to give us the name of Karl Bischoff’s wife – which doesn’t really matter very much in holocaust history.”

      Hey, I’d think you’d appreciate the effort it took me to track down her name……oh, I’m just being silly, Talbot. According to my children it’s a chronic failing of mine…..though to be honest I think they enjoy daddy being silly.

      “But this employee of the Political Department is a much more intriguing character, who, if Mr Ertl’s testimony is true, obviously knew a great deal about Auschwitz being an alleged “death camp.”

      I wouldn’t even know where to begin, Talbot. 7,000 SS men alone served at Auschwitz at any given time.

      “It was you, who submitted this document on to this website for us to peruse. I would have thought that you would have taken the trouble to read it through yourself”

      I did read through it, Talbot.

      “beforehand to ensure that the personnel being referred to can be identified as “real” people.”

      Talbot, you focus on some of the weirdest things.
      My point to showing that was to point out that Ertl never denied the existence of gas chambers….far from it. In fact, this was typical behavior of Nazi officials or SS put on trial. As a general rule these men did not deny the existence of the gas chambers or other killing methods employed to murder the Jews.
      BTW, why are you not asking Jim to produce this “expert report” regarding the gas chambers he brought up?
      I sense a double standard, Talbot. Tsk, tsk.

      “Sadly, it does reminds me of that other strange character that you introduced in one of your “dodgy documents” – namely, Willy Just !”

      Again, you focus on some of the weirdest things, Talbot.

      That report, along with the other documents I provided proved the existence of gas vans, Talbot. Obsessing over a name does not change any of that.

      Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 3:29 pm

      • So for all that verbiage you just served up, Jeff – you haven’t got a clue who that former judge was, who is referred to in the document that you yourself produced. Thank you.

        Comment by Talbot — August 3, 2016 @ 4:02 pm

        • Jeff is a stickler for historical facts but when it comes to naming people places and things I guess sometimes he forgets these things.

          JR

          Comment by jrizoli — August 3, 2016 @ 4:04 pm

          • I now want a copy of this report produced during the trial. I’ll post this to Jim as well.

            Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 4:45 pm

        • “So for all that verbiage you just served up, Jeff – you haven’t got a clue who that former judge was, who is referred to in the document that you yourself produced. Thank you.”

          I now want a copy of this report produced during the trial. I’ll post this to Jim as well.

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 4:44 pm

  10. Interesting to read the French war time journal L’ appel and the use of the word ” exterminer ” . Much more commonly the French use the word aneantir to describe destruction /wiping out. I can confirm that in pre war German the word ausrotten meant to ” get rid off ” and has taken a more sinister meaning post war like the pre war German word for a shower ” Brausebad ” has had to be replaced by “Dusche ” . Jeff K is as always writing nonsense .
    The manipulation of the language by the propagandists working for the victors of WW2 is not well known , but it would make an interesting topic for any university linguistic student. ….as long as they don’t mind destroying any chance they have of a future paid career.

    Comment by peter — August 3, 2016 @ 12:47 pm

    • Why is this nonsense, Peter?

      “I’ve copied this from CODOH so no whining about its authenticity:

      http://codoh.com/library/document/891/

      Let’s go back to the section where Himmler talks about the Jews:

      The evacuation of the Jews

      “I want to mention another very difficult matter here before you in all frankness. Among ourselves, it ought to be spoken of quite openly for once; yet we shall never speak of it in public.”

      Why all the secrecy? The deportation of the Jews was hardly a secret.

      “Just as little as we hesitated to do our duty as ordered on 30 June 1934, and place comrades who had failed against the wall and shoot them, just as little did we ever speak of it, and we shall never speak of it. It was a matter of course, of tact, for us, thank God, never to speak of it, never to talk of it. It made everybody shudder; yet everyone was clear in his mind that he would do it again if ordered to do so, and if it was necessary.”

      So, Himmler is placing this in the same context as the Night of the Long Knives. What did the SS do to Roehm and the others? Why, they executed them, they didn’t “deport” them, they didn’t stick them in camps. No, these men died. Why would Himmler make this comparison to a mass execution and what they were doing to the Jews?

      “I am thinking now of the evacuation of the Jews, the extirpation of the Jewish people.”

      Extirpation basically means the same thing as extermination. The genius at CODOH apparently didn’t know that.

      “It is one of those things that’s easy to say: “The Jewish people will be extirpated” , says every Party comrade, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our programme: elimination of the Jews, extirpation ; that’s what we’re doing.” And then they all come along, these 80 million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it’s quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew. Of all those who speak this way, not one has looked on; not one has lived through it.”

      Elimination, extirpation, same coin, different sides.

      “Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there.”

      A talk of bodies. Why a reference to bodies if he is talking about deportation? What other meaning could this possibly have?

      “To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard. This is a chapter of glory in our history which has never been written,”

      Why never written? What’s so bad about deporting a bunch of Jews? Again, this was not a secret, there was no attempt to hide the deportations themselves.

      “and which never shall be written; since we know how hard it would be for us if we still had the Jews, as secret saboteurs, agitators, and slander-mongers, among us now, in every city — during the bombing raids, with the suffering and deprivations of the war. We would probably already be in the same situation as in 1916/17 if we still had the Jews in the body of the German people.
      The riches they had, we’ve taken away from them. I have given a strict order, which SS Group Leader Pohl has carried out, that these riches shall, of course, be diverted to the Reich without exception. We have taken none of it. Individuals who failed were punished according to an order given by me at the beginning, which threatened: he who takes even one mark of it, that’s his death. A number of SS men — not very many — have violated that order, and that will be their death, without mercy. We had the moral right,”

      I have no comment about this, this is just grand standing. Corruption was rife in all the camps.

      “we had the duty to our own people, to kill this people which wanted to kill us .”

      Wait a second, more talk of killing. Why “killing?” Why not “we had the duty to our own people, to deport this people that wanted to kill us?”
      Keep in mind, this is from CODOH, not Yad Vashem.

      “But we don’t have the right to enrich ourselves even with one fur, one watch, one mark, one cigarette, or anything else.”

      More grand standing.

      “Just because we eradicated a bacillus, after all, doesn’t mean we want to be infected by the bacillus and die.”

      Wait a second. Himmler speaks of “eradicating a bacillus.”
      Does he mean he deported this bacillus?

      “I will never permit even one little spot of corruption to arise or become established here. Wherever it may form, we shall burn it out together. In general, however, we can say that we have carried out this most difficult task out of love for our own people. And we have suffered no harm to our inner self, our soul, our character in so doing.”

      Whatever.

      The message in this section is clear, anything else is denier delusion.

      Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 1:13 pm

    • “The manipulation of the language by the propagandists working for the victors of WW2 is not well known ,”

      I actually think you should replace “propagandists” with denier manipulation of the language.

      Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 1:16 pm

      • Might I suggest you educate yourself ; try learning a language . Your cut and paste jobs are tedious.

        Comment by peter — August 3, 2016 @ 1:44 pm

        • Why? Did you miss the fact that it was in English?

          You also didn’t answer my question.

          Denier slip slidin’ away.

          I dedicate this to you, Peter.

          I don’t expect a response.

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 2:11 pm

          • Learning a foreign language is a wonderful thing because you can then escape from the narrow confines of the monoglot. As Kipling said about England , ” And what should they know of England who only England know? ” Being polyglot has given me many opportunities and insights in my life. It also made me aware of how the Holocaust story has been sold by powerful Jewish community interests to a very gullible public.

            Comment by peter — August 3, 2016 @ 3:58 pm

            • That’s nice.

              You still haven’t addressed what I said about Himmler’s speech.

              That came from a denier site, Peter. That was CODOH’s translation, not Nizkor or Holocaust Controversies.

              “By powerful Jewish Community Interests.”

              What interests, Peter?

              Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 4:04 pm

              • Ha unlike monoglot low IQ Jeff I can translate from the original . If you like to post the speech in its original then I will check for you .
                Here is the income of your paymasters
                http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/about-adl/2014-adl-990.pdf

                Comment by peter — August 3, 2016 @ 4:32 pm

                • “Here is the income of your paymasters”

                  What a shame. Nothing but a conspiraloon.

                  You were getting interesting…………

                  My IQ is high enough to figure out that conspiracy theories are the last hope of the desperate.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 4:42 pm

                • Curiously it won’t allow me to reply to Jeff K. I m still awaiting the original text so I can translate accurately the sentences you have difficulty with .

                  Comment by peter — August 3, 2016 @ 4:47 pm

          • When you said ,”slip slidin away”,I kinda figured that video was Paul Simon . You might’ve been able to also use ,” one trick pony”.

            Comment by Tim — August 4, 2016 @ 5:58 am

      • I actually think you should replace “propagandists” with denier manipulation of the language.

        Let’s try that literally: The manipulation of the language by the denier manipulation of the language working for the victors of WW2 is not well known — oh yeah, that makes sense.

        You cite: The manipulation of the language by the propagandists working for the victors of WW2 is not well known — what does “manipulation of the language” refer to? — it refers to: the word ausrotten meant to “get rid off” and has taken a more sinister meaning post war like the pre war German word for a shower “Brausebad” has had to be replaced by “Dusche” — it is clear that “manipulation of the language” refers to ausrotten (especially) and Brausebad — in both cases the interpretation has changed to something more “sinister” to suit the purposes of ‘exterminationists’, not ‘deniers’ — so your comment makes no sense — it is not ‘deniers’ who have ‘manipulated’ language in this example.

        “I actually think” you are one of the fucking stupidest people I’ve ever encountered on the internet.

        Re more sinister interpretations, the same could be said of the word Endlösung, which appears in the Göring letter to Heydrich — there is nothing inherently sinister about this word.

        Himmler’s speech isn’t proof of anything, any more than the Göring letter, which only mentions “Auswanderung oder Evakuierung”, is proof of the ‘Holocaust’ — that the Germans planned to murder Jews in gas chambers.

        Comment by eah — August 3, 2016 @ 3:19 pm

        • “I actually think” you are one of the fucking stupidest people I’ve ever encountered on the internet.”

          I think the proper way to say that is “stupidest fucking” instead of “fucking stupidest.”

          But, hey. Who am I to argue with the prom queen?

          “Let’s try that literally: The manipulation of the language by the denier manipulation of the language working for the victors of WW2 is not well known — oh yeah, that makes sense.”

          Wow, I’ve never been corrected by a cranky bitch before. This is fascinating.
          In case you haven’t noticed, this is the comment section on a blog, not a research paper.

          But, I can how you’d have a problem with this, after all, you have a stick stuck so far up your ass you have splinters in your lungs.

          “Himmler’s speech isn’t proof of anything, any more than the Göring letter, which only mentions “Auswanderung oder Evakuierung”, is proof of the ‘Holocaust’ — that the Germans planned to murder Jews in gas chambers.”

          Except that he equates the executions committed during the night of the Long Knives with what is currently happening with the Jews, he speaks of bodies, he equates Jews with a bacillus….did you miss all of that?

          Bitch?

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 3:52 pm

          • Someone is not a happy camper here.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — August 3, 2016 @ 3:58 pm

            • I personally dislike eah, Jim.

              He’s a self-righteous douchebag who likes to randomly drop in and insult me. I didn’t start it but I’ll be fucked if I let some OCD ridden prom queen insult me without response.

              Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 4:08 pm

          • Except that he equates the executions committed during the night of the Long Knives

            Most sources give the German text as follows:

            Genau so wenig, wie wir am 30. Juni 1934 gezögert haben, die befohlene Pflicht zu tun und Kameraden, die sich verfehlt hatten, an die Wand zu stellen und zu erschießen, genau so wenig haben wir darüber jemals gesprochen und werden je darüber sprechen.

            Röhm-Putsch — some info from the German Wikipedia page about (what is called in English) the ‘Night of the Long Knives’: the exact number of dead cannot be known; post-war research has repeatedly reduced the estimated number of those killed — less than 100 (89) can be named with any certainty; Hitler ordered the killing to stop; gemäß den erhalten gebliebenen Verhaftungslisten 1.124 Personen, welche im Verlauf der Aktion in Schutzhaft genommen, aber nicht getötet wurden — far more people were arrested and not killed.

            So many of the facts about the Röhm-Putsch, as stated above, undermine any claim that Himmler’s mention of it is somehow significant in the context of the ‘Holocaust’.

            Like I said: the Posen speech proves nothing — but I can see why ‘exterminationists’ claim (rather desperately) that it does — the ‘Holocaust’: alleged to be the greatest mass murder in history, yet not a scrap of forensic evidence.

            corrected

            More than “corrected” — I showed how your comment was absolutely idiotic — it made no sense whatsoever — did you miss all of that? — moron.

            Comment by eah — August 3, 2016 @ 10:36 pm

            • “So many of the facts about the Röhm-Putsch, as stated above, undermine any claim that Himmler’s mention of it is somehow significant in the context of the ‘Holocaust’.”

              Except that Himmler specifically mentions this incident right before he starts talking about the Jews.

              Dip shit.

              “Like I said: the Posen speech proves nothing — ”

              You can’t see it because you can’t clear the Nazi shit out of your eyes and ears.

              Himmler talks about bodies. Does the word “bodies” mean “deported” in German?

              What exactly does bodies refer to in the speech, eah? 50, 100. Does this mean these Jews were asleep?

              “but I can see why ‘exterminationists’ claim (rather desperately) that it does ”

              Well, Himmler brings up an incident where the SS had to do something unpleasant.

              He talks about bodies. He talks about killing people, clearly referring to Jews, this whole section is about Jews. How do you explain that?

              Oh, he also talks about eradicating a bacillus. Does that mean the SS sent the bacillus on a road trip?

              How do define “eradicate,” eah?

              “the ‘Holocaust’: alleged to be the greatest mass murder in history, yet not a scrap of forensic evidence.”

              Well, a crapload of Jews disappeared during the war, eah. Where did they go?

              Plus, we have this:

              http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/topic/1894

              And this:

              http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/05/mass-graves-at-nazi-extermination-camps.html?m=1

              Oh, can’t forget the pictures:

              http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/10/mass-graves-and-dead-bodies.html?m=1

              corrected

              “More than “corrected” — I showed how your comment was absolutely idiotic — it made no sense whatsoever — did you miss all of that? — moron.”

              No, you just showed me what gigantic douche you are.
              Oh, a giant douche with no answers.

              Why don’t you prove me wrong?

              Show me evidence of where these Jews were sent if the Nazis didn’t murder them, eah. Prove all these years of denial isn’t completely full of shit.

              Douchebag.

              Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 11:55 pm

  11. @ Jim Rizoli:

    Jim Rizoli on August 3, 2016 at 11:13 am

    “Yes I said sadly……the Germans failed to do what you accuse them of, if they did we wouldn’t be having this discussion today because this evil group of people wouldn’t be here to lie, cheat, and steal their way into our lives today.”

    They only failed in the sense that they ran out of time.
    Hitler hated the Jews like you do, Jim. Only, he had the power, opportunity and the means to attempt what you only dream of.

    “Everything today revolves them, they are the most important thing on this earth, they run everything”

    Obviously not everything, Jim. This blog, CODOH, Rense, Whale, Bible Believers, even your crappy videos exist because the power you ascribe to the Jews doesn’t exist.

    “and complain when people like myself expose them in their scams.”

    Their complaint is that you piss on the memories of the dead.

    “It’s even sadder they they have people like you to spread their filth and lies.”

    I’m simply telling the truth, Jim…..the real truth, the way history really played out.

    “The HoloHoax is the tool they use to strong arm society today….if you refuse to worship their HoloHoax Cult God they will do their best to destroy you.”

    Do you also believe in space aliens landing on earth and that the world is flat?

    “That is why they can spread the vicious lie that 6 million of them died in non existence gas chambers with bug spray.”

    Holy shit, Jim. Why can’t you even get denial right? It actually frustrates me that you continue to say this completely asinine silly bullshit about bug spray and six million. Not even deniers say that.
    Do you actually read those crappy books? Or, the better question is, do you actually have a clue what they are saying?

    “You couldn’t make a movie that could be a phony as that”

    You just lost me. What movie?
    You mean Himmler’s speech?

    “and people believed it, but they can present this Hoax as real now and stupid gullible people do wholeheartedly believe it, without ANY proof”

    Well, considering there is no proof otherwise I say you lose the argument.

    “just wives tales from so called “expert” witnesses who SAW nothing.”

    Unfortunately for deniers that is simply not the case.

    “There is nothing that WE can say or do to convince them, so they continue in their Cult HoloHoax worship and slight of hand display of their
    coverups and lies…..Don’t worry their day will come, not by me or through politics, or financial moves but at the hand of God for their sins that have piled high up to heaven. The Synagogue of Satan will be taken down with all those who support their trickery and deceit.”

    I think you need a nap, a cup of warm tea and maybe about 3 Valium.

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 11:53 am

    • Once again,this is just the way I see it. I’ve seen racist people that only look at a race other than their own as beneath them. They got their attitude from growing up in a racist environment . There are some exceptions to the rule,but not many. I haven’t read Mein Kampf all the way yet,so I don’t totally know how Hitlers attitude ended up being towards the Jews . He mentioned,there never any negative talk about Jews around his house growing up. He said there was a Jew in his school. No one gave the kid a hard time. He did say when the kid was around,everyone kept their guard up. He said when he moved to Vienna ( I think that’s where he moved to),he bought a couple anti Semite brochures. In so many words he thought the brochures were BS. They made claims that were superficial and the science was not there to back the claims up. He mentioned the Jews were of a different religion,so tolerance came into play there. He did mention were these people German at all. He made a comment about their lack of affinity with bathing. He said their clothes were unkept and dirty. Like I said,I ain’t read the whole book yet. I don’t know how his attitude towards the Jew will change later in the book. Right now what he’s saying about the Jews is that,he was disgusted by them. He mentioned he had a great internal struggle with anti Semitic views. He just doesn’t sound like someone who hates the Jews to the point of kicking them to the curb. Like I said,I’ve not read the entire book,but it gives insight into his thoughts on the subject

      Comment by Tim — August 3, 2016 @ 8:11 pm

  12. Once again,we’re supposed to take Moscow’s word for everything? Whenever shit like this pops up,it’s always a winning bet to say,Moscow is behind it. They’re lying ,sneaky ass cut throats. We’re supposed to trust them? Out of all the topics in history,when is the topic about the Jews gonna be squashed? How about Capt. McVey from the USS Indianapolis. Let’s talk about how the Navy f–ked him over. How about Amelia Earhart. Lot of people said the Japs caught her and executed her as a spy. Let’s talk about Mary Todd Lincoln. She was the junkie from Hell. It’s even been said at one time,”John Wilkes Booth was her dealer”. How about Pearl? Gotta lot of people who say,we knew something was up with the Niponese trying to move on us there. There’s 4 topics right there full of conspiracy. A Limey newspaper brings up some ,”so called facts” about Himmler,because the Ruskies release some kind of story about him. Shit. People don’t even go on about Hitler this much anymore. To whatever extent this shit went on to,tell the Hebs to drop the shit. It’s as bad as the Jews going on about their chickenshit 6 day war. It wasn’t even a war. Disagreement is more like it. They ain’t got much to brag about there. They could’ve put Boy Scouts in there with sling shots and still won that little scuffle.

    Comment by Tim — August 3, 2016 @ 9:07 am

  13. I’ve copied this from CODOH so no whining about its authenticity:

    http://codoh.com/library/document/891/

    Let’s go back to the section where Himmler talks about the Jews:

    The evacuation of the Jews

    “I want to mention another very difficult matter here before you in all frankness. Among ourselves, it ought to be spoken of quite openly for once; yet we shall never speak of it in public.”

    Why all the secrecy? The deportation of the Jews was hardly a secret.

    “Just as little as we hesitated to do our duty as ordered on 30 June 1934, and place comrades who had failed against the wall and shoot them, just as little did we ever speak of it, and we shall never speak of it. It was a matter of course, of tact, for us, thank God, never to speak of it, never to talk of it. It made everybody shudder; yet everyone was clear in his mind that he would do it again if ordered to do so, and if it was necessary.”

    So, Himmler is placing this in the same context as the Night of the Long Knives. What did the SS do to Roehm and the others? Why, they executed them, they didn’t “deport” them, they didn’t stick them in camps. No, these men died. Why would Himmler make this comparison to a mass execution and what they were doing to the Jews?

    “I am thinking now of the evacuation of the Jews, the extirpation of the Jewish people.”

    Extirpation basically means the same thing as extermination. The genius at CODOH apparently didn’t know that.

    “It is one of those things that’s easy to say: “The Jewish people will be extirpated” , says every Party comrade, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our programme: elimination of the Jews, extirpation ; that’s what we’re doing.” And then they all come along, these 80 million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it’s quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew. Of all those who speak this way, not one has looked on; not one has lived through it.”

    Elimination, extirpation, same coin, different sides.

    “Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there.”

    A talk of bodies. Why a reference to bodies if he is talking about deportation? What other meaning could this possibly have?

    “To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard. This is a chapter of glory in our history which has never been written,”

    Why never written? What’s so bad about deporting a bunch of Jews? Again, this was not a secret, there was no attempt to hide the deportations themselves.

    “and which never shall be written; since we know how hard it would be for us if we still had the Jews, as secret saboteurs, agitators, and slander-mongers, among us now, in every city — during the bombing raids, with the suffering and deprivations of the war. We would probably already be in the same situation as in 1916/17 if we still had the Jews in the body of the German people.
    The riches they had, we’ve taken away from them. I have given a strict order, which SS Group Leader Pohl has carried out, that these riches shall, of course, be diverted to the Reich without exception. We have taken none of it. Individuals who failed were punished according to an order given by me at the beginning, which threatened: he who takes even one mark of it, that’s his death. A number of SS men — not very many — have violated that order, and that will be their death, without mercy. We had the moral right,”

    I have no comment about this, this is just grand standing. Corruption was rife in all the camps.

    “we had the duty to our own people, to kill this people which wanted to kill us .”

    Wait a second, more talk of killing. Why “killing?” Why not “we had the duty to our own people, to deport this people that wanted to kill us?”
    Keep in mind, this is from CODOH, not Yad Vashem.

    “But we don’t have the right to enrich ourselves even with one fur, one watch, one mark, one cigarette, or anything else.”

    More grand standing.

    “Just because we eradicated a bacillus, after all, doesn’t mean we want to be infected by the bacillus and die.”

    Wait a second. Himmler speaks of “eradicating a bacillus.”
    Does he mean he deported this bacillus?

    “I will never permit even one little spot of corruption to arise or become established here. Wherever it may form, we shall burn it out together. In general, however, we can say that we have carried out this most difficult task out of love for our own people. And we have suffered no harm to our inner self, our soul, our character in so doing.”

    Whatever.

    The message in this section is clear, anything else is denier delusion.

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 8:55 am

    • You quoted a speech made by Himmler.

      Here is the full text of that speech:

      I want to mention another very difficult matter here before you in all frankness. Among ourselves, it ought to be spoken of quite openly for once; yet we shall never speak of it in public. Just as little as we hesitated to do our duty as ordered on 30 June 1934, and place comrades who had failed against the wall and shoot them, just as little did we ever speak of it, and we shall never speak of it. It was a matter of course, of tact, for us, thank God, never to speak of it, never to talk of it. It made everybody shudder; yet everyone was clear in his mind that he would do it again if ordered to do so, and if it was necessary.

      I am thinking now of the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that’s easy to say: “The Jewish people will be exterminated” , says every Party comrade, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our program: elimination of the Jews, extermination ; that’s what we’re doing.” And then they all come along, these 80 million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it’s quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew. Of all those who speak this way, not one has looked on; not one has lived through it. Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there. To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard. This is a chapter of glory in our history which has never been written, and which never shall be written; since we know how hard it would be for us if we still had the Jews, as secret saboteurs, agitators, and slander-mongers, among us now, in every city — during the bombing raids, with the suffering and deprivations of the war. We would probably already be in the same situation as in 1916/17 if we still had the Jews in the body of the German people.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 3, 2016 @ 10:24 am

      • Sadly there was NO extermination of the Jewish people so Himmler must of been lying…..

        JR

        Comment by Jim Rizoli — August 3, 2016 @ 10:39 am

        • “Sadly there was NO extermination of the Jewish people so Himmler must of been lying…..”

          You said “sadly.” That’s very telling.

          Do you even know who Himmler is?

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 10:42 am

          • Yes I said sadly……the Germans failed to do what you accuse them of, if they did we wouldn’t be having this discussion today because this evil group of people wouldn’t be here to lie, cheat, and steal their way into our lives today.
            Everything today revolves them, they are the most important thing on this earth, they run everything and complain when people like myself expose them in their scams. It’s even sadder they they have people like you to spread their filth and lies.

            The HoloHoax is the tool they use to strong arm society today….if you refuse to worship their HoloHoax Cult God they will do their best to destroy you. That is why they can spread the vicious lie that 6 million of them died in non existence gas chambers with bug spray.
            You couldn’t make a movie that could be a phony as that and people believed it, but they can present this Hoax as real now and stupid gullible people do wholeheartedly believe it, without ANY proof just wives tales from so called “expert” witnesses who SAW nothing.
            There is nothing that WE can say or do to convince them, so they continue in their Cult HoloHoax worship and slight of hand display of their
            coverups and lies…..Don’t worry their day will come, not by me or through politics, or financial moves but at the hand of God for their sins that have piled high up to heaven. The Synagogue of Satan will be taken down with all those who support their trickery and deceit.

            JR

            Comment by Jim Rizoli — August 3, 2016 @ 11:13 am

      • I quoted the full text. I also linked this back to CODOH, a denier website.

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 10:40 am

        • What was the average length of time,Jews would stay off nazi radar before their hiding place was discovered ? When does history say the first gas houses started operating full time? I’m not talking about whatever experimenting they may or may not have been messing with. I’m talking when did they hang out the “now open for business” sign. When did it supposedly start full time?

          Comment by Tim — August 3, 2016 @ 7:39 pm

          • “What was the average length of time,Jews would stay off nazi radar before their hiding place was discovered ?”

            There’s no way to tell that, Tim. I couldn’t give you an average.

            “When does history say the first gas houses started operating full time? I’m not talking about whatever experimenting they may or may not have been messing with. I’m talking when did they hang out the “now open for business” sign. When did it supposedly start full time?”

            The first stationary gas chambers were used during the T-4 Program, the Euthanasia Program. There were stationary gas chambers at places like Haldamar. This was not strictly for Jewish patients but disabled Germans.
            Wow, Germans with hereditary diseases. What a shock.
            Chelmno was the first death camp designed to kill Jews. Unlike the Einsatzgruppen squads that shot Jews on a wide scale or used gas vans this was a stationary camp. It used gas vans.
            Auschwitz started experimenting with Zyclon B in September 1941 but the true extermination camps, the Action Reinhard Camps, started with the opening of Belzec in March of 1942. This was a true camp with a stationary gas chamber, designed only to murder large groups of people at a time.

            Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 8:02 pm

            • Jeff nice reply if you want to believe it but the Ezgruppen do not shoot people in the manor that you say in or as many as you think and of course the homicidal gas chamber lie continues to go on and on and on when they can’t even prove they were any homicidal gas Chambers plenty of fumigation chambers but no homicidal gas Chambers.
              I love when they throw out all these high numbers millions of people being killed if people only knew what it would take to kill that many people they just have no clue it’s not as easy as you think but again poof their dead and gone and people want to believe it.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — August 3, 2016 @ 8:20 pm

              • I did hear one claim that was a bit more than I could believe. In a documentary I saw the other night,they said the Germans became so efficient at killing that,they could unload all the Jews,process them,then gas them ,and finally cremate all the remains in an hour. That claim they made in this documentary seems like BS to me. I don’t even think they could process all these folks in an hour

                Comment by Tim — August 3, 2016 @ 8:33 pm

              • “Jeff nice reply if you want to believe it but the Ezgruppen do not shoot people in the manor”

                What? Where did I say the Einsatzgruppen shot people in a manor……?
                A little confused, Jim.

                “that you say in or as many as you think and of course the homicidal gas chamber lie continues to go on and on and on when they can’t even prove they were any homicidal gas Chambers plenty of fumigation chambers but no homicidal gas Chambers.”

                It’s funny, I think I’ve heard all of this before………

                “I love when they throw out all these high numbers millions of people being killed if people only knew what it would take to kill that many people they just have no clue it’s not as easy as you think but again poof their dead and gone and people want to believe it.”

                😳

                Honestly, I’m not sure that I’m reading anything different from you anymore.

                Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 8:43 pm

            • No it was the Jews I was referring to. I heard about them gassing the folks who had the “sling blade” ( you remember,the character from the billy Bob Thornton movie) IQ. I was wanting to know when everything went in full production with the Jews . I saw a movie the other night about the Jew uprising at Sobibor. It was pretty much a movie staring,”survivors”. This one survivor said when the nazis rolled into Poland in ’39,his father hid himself and the family. He said his father did that,because he heard what the nazis were doing to the Jews . I had a pretty good idea,but I wasn’t a 100% sure of when they supposedly started gassing the Jews . So with that in mind, I figure there’s no way they could’ve heard anything about nazi gas huts,if it hadnt started yet

              Comment by Tim — August 3, 2016 @ 8:27 pm

  14. That sounds like Spanish . I got a guy who works for me from Guatemala . He can speak Spanish with a Mexican,but it may not always come out the same. The best way I understand it,it’s not true Spanish . Throughout time it’s somewhat taken a different route,than the original Spanish language. He said even a Spanish course a school might offer,is not gonna be able to go word for word,with what a Mexican would speak.

    Comment by Tim — August 3, 2016 @ 8:44 am

    • And time adds an additional layer of misunderstanding, Tim. Imagine an old Mexican talking Spanish with a young Guatemalan.

      I can illustrate that with an old French newspaper article of October 1940 entitled “Faut-il exterminer les juifs?” (Must we exterminate the Jews?) and solely dealing with a possible territorial eviction of the Jews living in France (at least of the non-nationals) at that time. The mass murder of some Jews was not debated in that paper, nowhere. As a native French speaker, I can assure you that the words “exterminer les juifs” unambiguously mean, and only mean, “to kill them all” to a young French speaker of today. But it was visibly not the case for a French speaker of the 1940s.

      Comment by hermie — August 3, 2016 @ 9:02 am

      • My point exactly. I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut,the German language they speak now,has become extremely watered down,because of the Jews living there . I feel safe in saying,they ain’t gonna be too concerned with the German language. It’s just like the picture at the top of this article. The mans wearing traditional Bavarian outfit. Clearly at one time people were proud to dress that way. It spoke to centuries of German culture. Now I don’t think anybody in Germany would recognize the clothes. Here in the states you’ve got blacks that are proud of their heritage. You’ll see a lot of them wearing their ,”Dashikis”. I don’t think there’s too many Germans you’ll see wearing their traditional Bavarian attire. It’s part of being German,and they’ve all been made to feel ashamed for being German .

        Comment by Tim — August 3, 2016 @ 11:42 am

        • Tim wrote: “I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut,the German language they speak now,has become extremely watered down,because of the Jews living there .”

          The quality of all Western languages, as well as of culture in general, has significantly declined. I guess you and furtherglory have noticed that for the English language in America. I have noticed that for the French language in France and Belgium. A lot.

          Tim wrote: ” I don’t think there’s too many Germans you’ll see wearing their traditional Bavarian attire. It’s part of being German,and they’ve all been made to feel ashamed for being German .”

          Not only for the Germans. True for all the Whites in general. Being proud of your race and culture when you are White is now regarded as suspect and Nazi. The safety of our Jewish overlords, as well as the continuation of their dominance, heavily depends on that.

          Comment by hermie — August 3, 2016 @ 6:51 pm

  15. Furtherglory wrote: “I lived in Germany for two years after World War II, and I heard the German people use the word “ausrotten” many times in a conversation. It was “ausrotten” this and “ausrotten” that. I understood the word to mean “get rid of”. It was used in a sentence many times when the word obviously meant to “get rid of,” not to kill.”

    Of course, the words Vernichtung and Ausrottung had more meanings in the 1930s and 1940s than today, and one of those meanings was equivalent to the original meaning of the Latin word ‘exterminus’ (ex: out of, terminus: border). At Nuremberg, NS leader Alfred Rosenberg explained to US prosecutor Thomas Dodd: “I have said already that that word (i.e. Ausrottung) does not have the sense which you attribute to it (i.e. extermination through mass murder).” and “Apparently everything is translated here in another sense.” And beside today’s narrower/fewer meanings of such words, today’s sissies can’t take harsh ideas and events. They are just able to love, shed tears, kiss threes, pet puppies and smell flowers. For instance, in Mein Kampf, Hitler talked about “a war of annihilation on Marxism.” But even the people who know that his war of annihilation on Marxism consisted in imprisoning the most virulent Marxist agitators of Germany and in converting the other ones to National-Socialism through really-Socialist policies improving people’s daily life, the idea of a war of annihilation on anything is too harsh for today’s sissies.

    .
    I don’t believe that the oft-quoted incriminating part of the Posen speech is genuine. I think it’s a gross forgery for various reasons. Himmler’s alleged statement that the Ausrottung of Europe’s Jewry was a chapter in German history “which never shall be written” (i.e. which should be kept secret) is ridiculous when one knows that Hitler mentioned the Ausrottung/Vernichtung of Europe’s Jewry as an inescapable consequence of WW2 (and as a major German war aim) in public speeches on at least 7 occasions. And every time, Hitler explained that the Ausrottung/Vernichtung of Europe’s Jewry would come through the spreading of anti-Semitic legislations and feelings all over Europe, something making Jewish dominance in post-war Europe totally impossible in his opinion. That, plus a full territorial eviction, was Hitler’s real Ausrottung/Vernichtung of Europe’s Jewry, his Final Solution to the Jewish Problem.

    Comment by hermie — August 3, 2016 @ 7:43 am

  16. Then why would Himmler follow this up by saying this:

    “Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there. To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard.”

    Is there a different meaning in German for the word “bodies?”

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 7:01 am

  17. Hitler, Himmler or whoever could have said whatever they wanted…. they could have said we love the Jews we want to help them and want to make sure they’re happy and it would have got translated let’s kill the Jews, in-home massage gas Chambers as quickly as we can so no one will see.

    Quote for the day….

    The 1972 Vienna Auschwitz Trial. Between January 18 and March 10, 1972, two architects responsible for the design and construction of the crematoria in Auschwitz-Birkenau, Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl, were put on trial in Vienna, Austria.” During the trial, an expert report on the possible interpretation of the blue- prints of the alleged gas chambers of the Auschwitz and Birkenau crematoria was presented to the court. The report concluded that the rooms in question could not have been gas chambers, nor could they have been converted into gas chambers.
    Thanks to this first methodologically sound expert report on Auschwitz, the defendants were acquitted.

    Would you consider this quote judicial notice?

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — August 2, 2016 @ 5:30 pm

    • What! – you mean to say that back in early 1972, a court of law – after listening to an expert report – came to the verdict that the facilities that are described as homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau could never have been used as such, and could not have been converted either.

      But if that is so, then why – over 44 years later – is Mr. Jeff K. appearing so frequently on this website to try and desperately sell us the idea of gas chambers at Auschwitz?

      Talk about flogging a dead horse!

      Comment by Talbot — August 2, 2016 @ 10:01 pm

    • You wrote: “Between January 18 and March 10, 1972, two architects responsible for the design and construction of the crematoria in Auschwitz-Birkenau, Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl, were put on trial in Vienna, Austria.”

      I wrote about Walter and Fritz on this blog post:

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/walter-dejaco-and-fritz-erl-the-engineers-who-designed-the-gas-chambers-at-auschwitz-birkenau/

      Comment by furtherglory — August 3, 2016 @ 6:55 am

    • “1972 Vienna Auschwitz Trial. Between January 18 and March 10, 1972, two architects responsible for the design and construction of the crematoria in Auschwitz-Birkenau, Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl, were put on trial in Vienna, Austria.” During the trial, an expert report on the possible interpretation of the blue- prints of the alleged gas chambers of the Auschwitz and Birkenau crematoria was presented to the court. The report concluded that the rooms in question could not have been gas chambers, nor could they have been converted into gas chambers.
      Thanks to this first methodologically sound expert report on Auschwitz, the defendants were acquitted.

      Would you consider this quote judicial notice?”

      First, where did you get the quote from? (Please, let it be Whale)

      Second, one of the defendants, Ertl, readily admitted that these were converted gas chambers:

      “p. On January 21, 1972, the architect Fritz Ertl, who had been employed at the Auschwitz Construction Office until early 1943, testified in court in Vienna about the genocidal use of the crematoria. The first time that he was informed about the use of Auschwitz in the Final Solution was in the summer of 1942.
      Then I talked with an employee of the Political Department who was in private life a judge. He then told me something. Normally one would not have dared to talk while on duty, because one had to fear to be punished for that. I remember that Mrs. Bischoff complained about an officer who had jokingly called Goebbels as “Jupp.” This judge has enlightened me. That must have been in the summer of 1942. He came from Hamburg and later fell on the front. Auschwitz, so he told me, is an extermination camp. Many people were to be executed, that means condemned by court martials. Then he indicated through reference to the Jewish Problem that larger exterminations were to come. He counselled me to find ways to quickly get out. He himself left somewhat later, and fell in Russia. This statement was for me a warning, I was shocked and enraged. This conversation took place at the time that construction began of the crematoria. This I used as an occasion to ask for a transfer. Bischoff yelled at me and told me that he was not prepared to consider this.499
      A little later Ertl commented that the new crematoria were necessary “because of the special actions.”500 When asked if he knew what the word “special measures” meant, Ertl told the court that he knew the significance.501 Then Ertl commented on the notorious letter that contained the word “Vergasungskeller.”
      At this time I was not anymore in Auschwitz. In my personnel dossier it is recorded that I left Auschwitz on January 25, 1943. I did not get a copy of this letter.
      The only names it is copied to are “Janisch” and “Kirschneck.”
      In this letter one talked quite openly, which is clear from the use “gassing basement.”
      The reference sign is “Bischoff.” I can imagine that he has written this himself. I had received the order of Bischoff that I could never write the word “gassing.” I always had to circumscribe it.
      Concerning the question of the chairman of the court if Bischoff had directly told Ertl that he could not write that, or if this order had come from higher up, the accused Ertl gave the following statement:
      I believe that Bischoff pointed out to me, that the word “gassing” should not appear. It is also possible that once such an order has come from higher up. I can’t remember that now. However, because this word “gassing” was always circumscribed, with “special action” or “special measure,” I am convinced that this was ordered. I am surprised that Bischoff used this word “gassing basement” himself. Because higher up always used the word “special action,” I also used it so. I adopted that term.502
      An important document in the archive confirms Ertl’s statement. On August 19, 1942 Ertl chaired a meeting in which members of the Central Construction Office discussed with Engineer Kurt Prüfer of Topf and Sons the creation of four crematoria in Birkenau. Item 2 mentioned the construction of two triple-oven incinerators near the “Bathhouses for Special Actions”–“Badeanstalten für Sonderaktionen.”503 These were the gas chambers also known as bunkers 1 and 2. On January 21, 1972 Ertl testified in court that, when he wrote down the words “bathhouses for special actions”–“Badeanstalten für Sonderaktionen,” he knew exactly what this euphemism meant. “I knew at the time, that this concerned gassing spaces.”504”

      http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/defense/van/3.html

      The men were ultimately acquitted because the court decided that they either didn’t know about the use the morgues were converted to (Dejaco) or were following orders (Ertl).

      The Austrians had no interest in these types of trials, they were busy with the whole “we knew nothing, we were Hitler’s first victims.”

      Never mind the fact that many of the worst offenders were Austrians:

      Amon Goth
      Franz Huber
      Ernst Kaltenbruner
      Odilo Globocnik

      These are just a few, naturally we have to include Adolf Hitler on this list.

      Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 8:25 am

      • Jeff…..just like the Red Cross…they gave into the Jews for obvious reasons later….
        Do you think anyone has a chance to tell the whole story truthfully?
        If they finally give in you know why…..We’re not that stupid.
        There is an old saying “you can’t fight city hall”, and they and many honest hearted people found that out the hard when they gave true testimony….You and your evil Holohuxster cohorts (Jews) know how to get to anyone who doesn’t tow the party line.

        Are you that stupid to NOT see what was going on with these trials and testimony later.
        Who in their right mind would tell the complete truth, knowing what was going to happen to them or and their family
        later on. You haven’t experienced the wrath of the Jews….I Have, and they try to destroy you first economically, when that fails then the slurs and false accusations get thrown in, when that fails they will Kill you.
        To defend these evil people would most definitely show a lack of understanding and compassion for truth seeking people.
        But who needs a conscience when you defend the Jews?

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — August 3, 2016 @ 9:32 am

        • “Jeff…..just like the Red Cross…they gave into the Jews for obvious reasons later….”

          According to deniers there must be 100 million Jews to be in so many places at the same time.

          “Do you think anyone has a chance to tell the whole story truthfully?
          If they finally give in you know why…..We’re not that stupid.
          There is an old saying “you can’t fight city hall”, and they and many honest hearted people found that out the hard when they gave true testimony….You and your evil Holohuxster cohorts (Jews) know how to get to anyone who doesn’t tow the party line.”

          You can’t see it but right now I’m laughing hysterically at your silly paranoia.
          Jim, are all the people that disagree with you and actually understand history all Jews?

          “Are you that stupid to NOT see what was going on with these trials and testimony later.”

          Well, considering I know more about this subject in particular and history in general than you do, I don’t think “stupid” is the right word to use.

          “Who in their right mind would tell the complete truth, knowing what was going to happen to them or and their family”

          Are you claiming the Austrian Government threatened these men?
          I’m afraid I need to see proof of that.

          “later on. You haven’t experienced the wrath of the Jews….I Have, and they try to destroy you first economically, when that fails then the slurs and false accusations get thrown in, when that fails they will Kill you.”

          You are still kicking around in this reality, Jim. They are doing a pretty piss-poor job considering you aren’t shy about what you believe.

          “To defend these evil people would most definitely show a lack of understanding and compassion for truth seeking people.”

          I don’t defend anyone, Jim. My interest is the history involved, nothing more.

          “But who needs a conscience when you defend the Jews?”

          I don’t defend Jews, Jim. Don’t be silly.

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 9:56 am

      • The following give us a good idea of the quality of the testimony that the architect, Fritz Ertl, gave at his trial in Austria in 1972;-

        ” Then I talked with an employee of the Political Department who was in private life a judge. He then told me something. Normally one would not have dared to talk while on duty, because one had to fear to be punished for that. I remember that Mrs. Bischoff complained about an officer who had jokingly called Goebbels as “Jupp.” This judge has enlightened me. That must have been in the summer of 1942. He came from Hamburg and later fell on the front. Auschwitz, so he told me, is an extermination camp. Many people were to be executed, that means condemned by court martials. Then he indicated through reference to the Jewish Problem that larger exterminations were to come. He counselled me to find ways to quickly get out. He himself left somewhat later, and fell in Russia.

        The reference to a “Mrs” Bischoff is probably a simple typo (but all the same, its pretty poor editing that allows such a basic slip as this to get through.)

        We don’t know whose asking him the questions – whether it is the presiding judge, a prosecutor, or the defence council. It would appear that Ertl is engaged in a monologue that the court is not even bothering to monitor – because he is allowed to introduce some tittle-tattle about Goebbels which has got nothing to do with the matter in hand at all.

        Fritz Ertl refers to an unnamed person, with no official rank or title, who he claims was an employee of the Political Department (that’s nice and vague – no one can verify if this person ever existed). However, we are told that he came from Hamburg ( big city that, with lots of people – and thus no way of checking if he did really come from there), and that he was a judge in private life ( a judge of what, exactly, we are not told; he could have been a beauty contest judge, or the judge of the annual dog-show in Baden-Baden for all we know.)

        Anyway, this unnamed judge enlightened Mr Ertl in the summer of 1942 – ( he claims it must have been that date, but there again, it may not have been ) – that Auschwitz was an extermination camp ( he doesn’t explain how this mysterious judge knew this fact, or why he would divulge such devastatingly criminal information to a mere architect).

        The unamed judge then indicates (speculates? guesses? assumes? that there are “larger exterminations to come” because of the “Jewish Problem”. But whatever this judge knew – or thought he knew, he advised Mr Ertl to get out quickly. The unamed judge did just that himself a short time later, but unfortunately he “fell in Russia” ( how convenient, that he didn’t survive the war, so that he would have been available to have come along to court in order to corroborate Fritz Ertl’s testimony. But apparently, Mr Ertl did try and follow the advice he was given, but when he asked for a transfer, “Mrs” Bischoff yelled at him and refused his request.

        Comment by Talbot — August 3, 2016 @ 1:28 pm

        • “The reference to a “Mrs” Bischoff is probably a simple typo (but all the same, its pretty poor editing that allows such a basic slip as this to get through.)”

          Uh, Talbot. “Mrs. Bischoff” refers to the wife of “Bischoff,” i.e. the wife of Karl Bischoff.

          This is Karl Bischoff:

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Bischoff

          His wife’s name was Hildegard.

          I’m simply not going to address the rest, it’s more infamous Talbot insinuation with no proof……rendered moot by your silly mistake.

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 3, 2016 @ 2:25 pm


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