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August 10, 2016

Good news! Germany has found more elderly citizens to put on trial

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 9:24 am

 

Stutthof building claimed to be a gas chamber

Stutthof building claimed to have been a homicidal gas chamber

The following quote is from a news article which you can read in full here: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/216183

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German investigators said on Tuesday they have identified eight suspected Nazi war criminals who worked at the former Stutthof concentration camp near Gdansk, Poland, NBC News reported.

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I blogged about the Stutthof camp at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/survivor-of-the-stutthof-camp-was-not-sent-to-the-gas-chamber-because-she-pinched-her-cheeks-and-stood-tall-in-order-to-look-healthy/

One might ask why a lowly typist at a little-known concentration camp would be put on trial as a war criminal.

The answer is: She was there, so she is guilty because she did nothing to save the Jews. She might claim that she didn’t know that the Jews were being gassed while she was busy typing.  She should have made it her business to find out, and she should have given her own life to save the Jews.

The following quote is also from the news article:

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German prosecutors have in recent years have attempted to bring surviving Holocaust perpetrators to justice while there is still time.

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I don’t think the German people should worry about this. There is no reason why dead people cannot be put on trial. Remember that the first three laws of the Jewish religion are Revenge, Revenge, Revenge.

65 Comments »

  1. According to the HEART (pro-holocaust) website, an SS guard named “Otto Knott who had poured the Zyklon B into the gas chamber [at Stutthof] was found not guilty in a trial in 1964 in Tubingen, Germany.”

    Well, that suggests to me that the chamber was not being used for homicidal purposes, but was purely a fumigation shed for clothes and bedding. If he was carrying out mass murder then obviously he would have been convicted and given a lengthy prison sentence.

    So back in 1964, personnel who were operating “at the sharp end” of operations in Stutthof were acquitted of any crime, while 52 years later, the typists who worked in the Admin. offices are brought to trial for…..well…. just for being there, I suppose.

    Comment by Talbot — August 11, 2016 @ 11:28 am

    • “Wrong place at the wrong time”. Can it get anymore f–ked up than that? Clearly it can. The Girl Friday at the camp is pretty much charged with,”guilt by association “. Here in American courts,that shit don’t fly. Obviously in Germany,it does.

      Comment by Tim — August 11, 2016 @ 11:49 am

    • “According to the HEART (pro-holocaust) website, an SS guard named “Otto Knott who had poured the Zyklon B into the gas chamber [at Stutthof] was found not guilty in a trial in 1964 in Tubingen, Germany.”

      “Well, that suggests to me that the chamber was not being used for homicidal purposes, but was purely a fumigation shed for clothes and bedding. If he was carrying out mass murder then obviously he would have been convicted and given a lengthy prison sentence.”

      But, this doesn’t make any sense. After all, to perpetuate the hoax, anyone brought to trial HAD to be convicted in order to further this agenda.
      Even if he was not guilty, the responsible parties (who, we don’t know, let’s just call them “the others,” that sounds appropriately ominous) would have manufactured the evidence needed to convict this poor sot. It didn’t matter, innocent or guilty, he needed to be punished to further “the agenda” (what that is, no one is quite clear about or is willing to explain to me). Were “the others” (oohhh, I like it, it is appropriately creepy) asleep at that time, on vacation, an extended coffee/lunch break?

      I’m now more confused.

      So, “the others” (I don’t know about you but I picture the headquarters of “the others” as a big Gothic castle with a perpetual lightning storm going on outside. I think it is manned by a secession of brain washed dudes named Igor.) decided to allow this guard to escape scott free? But, isn’t that counterproductive to furthering “the agenda” perpetuated by “the others?”

      Comment by Jeff K. — August 11, 2016 @ 11:52 am

      • Jeff wrote: “But, this doesn’t make any sense. After all, to perpetuate the hoax, anyone brought to trial HAD to be convicted in order to further this agenda. Even if he was not guilty, the responsible parties (who, we don’t know, let’s just call them “the others,” that sounds appropriately ominous) would have manufactured the evidence needed to convict this poor sot. It didn’t matter, innocent or guilty, he needed to be punished to further “the agenda” (what that is, no one is quite clear about or is willing to explain to me). Were “the others” (oohhh, I like it, it is appropriately creepy) asleep at that time, on vacation, an extended coffee/lunch break? I’m now more confused. So, “the others” (I don’t know about you but I picture the headquarters of “the others” as a big Gothic castle with a perpetual lightning storm going on outside. I think it is manned by a secession of brain washed dudes named Igor.) decided to allow this guard to escape scott free? But, isn’t that counterproductive to furthering “the agenda” perpetuated by “the others?””

        C’mon. In order to further that agenda, it was of course much better that those ‘trials’ looked like real/fair trials rather than like indiscriminate lynching parties. Acquittals and light sentences (for small fish, but not for big fish) greatly helped to achieve that goal. Why the effort to hold fair-looking trials if it was only to destroy their cover with too-obviously-grotesque judicial farces? THIS wouldn’t have made any sense.

        Comment by hermie — August 11, 2016 @ 4:45 pm

    • Grow up Talbot and do some proper research – you are getting boring with your pedantic bullshit

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stutthof_trials

      Comment by Anonymouse — August 11, 2016 @ 5:26 pm

      • You ask me to do some proper research, Anonymouse and yet you yourself only produce an article from Wikipedia that lists the defendants who were prosecuted in the series of trials connected to the Stutthof concentration camp. Well that’s easy for anyone to find. And what can we learn from this list – because there is no information on what specific charges these defendants faced, and what crimes they were actually executed for. The Poles were among the victors of WW2, and the Germans were the vanquished, and so anyone attempting to study the trials must regard them with caution and suspicion.

        I’m sorry that you find my comments not to your taste, but sometimes humour and satire is an appropriate response to some of the outlandish claims of the holocaust proponents.

        Comment by Talbot — August 11, 2016 @ 6:01 pm

  2. The evil Nazis were such sadistic beasts that they killed Jews by the thousands every day in the Stutthof gas chamber; adding insult to injury, the doomed victims were not allowed to breathe through the back window of the shed, it was of course STRENG VERBOTEN!

    source WIKIPEDIA

    Comment by a reader — August 11, 2016 @ 10:38 am

    • Wikipedia? Come on. That sites run by Liberal pukes. If it don’t line up with them,they don’t run it on their site. So the nazis were evil pricks? Even if they did do everything history said they did,I can shoot your “they were evil” assertion down. Does the name Max Schmeling ring a bell?

      Comment by Tim — August 11, 2016 @ 10:49 am

      • Here is another boxer for you Tim – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamo_Arouch

        I gave you the link since you seem incapable of using search engines based on your comments on this site. Instead you continue to ask stupid questions on here – do your own research rather than wasting peoples time – here’s a clue – enter Stutthoff Trials into google (www.google.com)

        Wikipedia? Come on. That sites run by Liberal pukes

        There’s a button on every Wikipedia page – View History – lets you see the changes and debates – maybe you should learn a little more about how Wikipedia works before you talk about liberals

        Liberal definition- willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas

        Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality

        Here’s a link about Stutthoff – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stutthof_trials – sorry it’s Wikipedia try it – you might learn something

        Comment by Anonymouse — August 11, 2016 @ 5:04 pm

        • Okay. Once again,you clearly “don’t ” know everything. Do you know the significance of Max Schmeling,in my comment that I made? You can bring up John L Sullivan and Gentleman Jim. They have nothing to do with what I was eluding to in my comment. Read up on Schmeling and his time in the German infantry. You’ll figure out why I bought up Max Schmeling. Has nothing to do with his time boxing

          Comment by Tim — August 11, 2016 @ 10:12 pm

  3. OT

    Not a current story (it’s from 2007), but it contains an interesting passage:

    Germany Tells Israel: No More Holocaust Reparations

    In addition, about a third of the survivors here are not covered by the agreement, because they escaped Nazi rule by fleeing to the former Soviet Union.

    It wasn’t an accurate story, either — the Germans later did agree to pay more — from 2012: Germany increases reparations for Holocaust survivors

    Comment by eah — August 11, 2016 @ 1:11 am

    • I read that if the Jews had to flee,they were given benefits. If that’s the case,then that’s BS in my opinion. What hardships did they endure. Whatever hardships they did in endure,I can prove their nothing special with it. I also read something else. It was an article saying that over the course of time,700 plus Jews jumped from the moving trains to avoid lock down. Most of the pics I’ve seen of these trains,they look like good solid construction. Those Jews clearly read one too many stories about Woody Guthrie and his days of “riding the rails”. Locomotives of the late 1800’s traveled at about 40 to 50 MPH. By the time the 1940’s rolled around,I’m pretty sure they had better MPH. So the Jews want us to accept,they jumped from a rail car that is elevated between 5 and 6 feet. Even on a bad day the train was probably going 30 to 35 MPH. Next time in a car,try to jump out of it when it’s going 30 to 35 MPH. The Jews were in piss poor physical shape,but they could survive the jump. The best ones were,the ones who jumped off the rail car in the darkest of the night. A person is gonna jump when they have no idea where their at. They don’t know what kind of terrain they’re gonna be jumping into. They’d be gettin totally f–ked up. This shit might make a good fictional story,but real life is a whole nother ball of wax

      Comment by Tim — August 11, 2016 @ 10:29 am

  4. @Shafarnullifidian:

    Ok, I’m not going to list or link documents. If you want more, ask.

    What I know:

    1) The Nazi Government showed a genocidal bent before the first mass killings of the Jews. The T-4 Program, the 14f13 Program, Operation Tannenberg, the deliberate mistreatment of the Soviet POWs, all of these things show the willingness of the Nazi Government to murder those it considered enemies or burdens…and the Jews fell under both categories.
    2) Revisionist doctrine states that Nazi policy towards the Jews was emigration, not extermination. This was true in the beginning, at least for German and Austrian Jews, because there were countries in Europe to take these Jews. This was also during peace time so Jews could also emigrate to countries outside of Europe. This changed after the war started, Jewish options became restricted, even more so when Germany conquered Western Europe. For Polish Jews this was never an option, they were forced into ghettos in the area of Poland the Germans occupied. The Germans briefly considered Madagascar but this option was also not viable due to Britain continuing to fight on. Another option considered was settling the Jews in the General Government, however, this not a viable option due to housing and food supplies. Another possible option was settling the Jews in some area of the Soviet Union after the Germans conquered and pacified it but this never happened due to the inability of Germans to actually conquer and pacify the USSR.
    3) Killing became a viable option after the invasion of the USSR because the actions of the Einsatzgruppen showed that large numbers of Jews could be executed relatively quickly. The main issues with this was the effect this had on the men doing the killing, not to mention the issue of secrecy.
    4) Killing also solved the issue of food supplies, killing unwanted Jews left Jews capable of labor alive while eliminating those who couldn’t work.
    5) Killing the Jews also satisfied the ideology of National Socialism by removing the Jews from society.

    There’s more but, frankly, it’s getting late and I’m tired of typing.

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 9:29 pm

  5. More witch ‘trials’ are needed so that the dumb Western mob can keep thanking democrashit for saving them from the terrible Devil. Mere self-legitimating mechanism. As old as Mankind itself…

    Comment by hermie — August 10, 2016 @ 1:04 pm

  6. Stutthof was the German concentration camp that lay close to the Baltic coast in what was then called Prussia. And it is where the rumours flying around regarding the manufacture of human soap first took root just after the end of the war.

    The following info. comes from a website called ‘Jewishgen.org/Forgotten Camps’ ;-

    “Professor Rudolf Spanner was an SS scientist, and owner of a small soap factory located in Gdansk. In 1940 he invented a process to produce soap from human fat. This product was called “Reines Judische Felt” – which means “Pure Jewish Fat”. Hundreds of inmates in the Stutthof Concentration Camp were then executed for soap production. At the liberation, the Soviets discovered chambers full of corpses used for the production of soap.”

    Wikipedia then goes on to say that “a Russian writer, named Alexander Werth, visited Gdansk in 1945, shortly after its liberation, and he saw an experimental factory outside the city for making soap out of human corpses. “It was a nightmarish sight, with its vats full of human heads and torsos pickled in some liquid, and its pails full of a flakey substance – human soap.”

    “This was confirmed in the year 2006 by researchers from the Gdansk University of Technology.”

    Isn’t it pathetic – that a prestigious Polish educational institution in the 21st century was prepared to debase itself in order to prop-up Soviet communist lies from decades ago.

    This Alexander Werth was probably nothing more than a Soviet propaganda stooge. He was a writer, just like Vasily Grossman, and Ilya Ehrenberg, who had been set an agenda by their bosses in Moscow to invent the most horrific and inhuman stories about German behaviour in Poland during WW2.

    But of course, none of it is true, but the holohoaxers have eagerly bought into these bullshit stories, because they fit perfectly well into their agenda of “unique jewish suffering”. This of course helps to keep the “holocaust industry” alive and well – so that the compensation racket doesn’t dry up any time soon!

    Even the name of the soap has proved over the years to be a fabrication; and a photo of Doctor Spanner’s so-called “factory” shows a room which is only about twice as big as a normal family kitchen – so how on earth could he have stored lots of human corpses inside there, and installed all the necessary processing equipment.

    But the most telling piece of information from these websites says;- “After the war, Rudolf Spanner was not arrested, and continued his research”. Ah!, so there we have the truth – Mr Spanner was not using human fat at all, but was engaged in some other chemical process in order to make his soap.

    I don’t think we are talking about “Pure Jewish Fat” here – but pure Jewish lies.

    Comment by Talbot — August 10, 2016 @ 1:00 pm

    • You wrote: “Stutthof was the German concentration camp that lay close to the Baltic coast in what was then called Prussia. And it is where the rumours flying around regarding the manufacture of human soap first took root just after the end of the war.”

      Most people don’t have any idea how soap is made. I wrote about this at
      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/sing-right-out-for-grandmas-lye-soap/

      Comment by furtherglory — August 10, 2016 @ 1:15 pm

      • If this place was Frankensteins house of horrors,why is it I only heard about it yesterday on Fox News? I mean they’re always playing the others,like they were the only ones. How much is this place gonna make the body count rise? Oh yeah. With all the prisons Germany had spread out over hells half acre,why is it,only a handful were set up as the end of the line? I know those prisons were the only ones set up to gas people,but why didn’t they bump some of the Jews off at the other prisons? History says they wanted all the Jews bumped off. History said they had no problem shooting the Jews so why weren’t they doing that shit at the other prisons? All this shit is starting to make less and less sense

        Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 2:16 pm

    • “This was confirmed in the year 2006 by researchers from the Gdansk University of Technology.”

      “Isn’t it pathetic – that a prestigious Polish educational institution in the 21st century was prepared to debase itself in order to prop-up Soviet communist lies from decades ago.”

      Why would Poles prop up anything from the Soviets? Or Communists?

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses

      Reading the above article leads me to believe that if it did happen it was probably on an experimental level, not anything mass produced.

      Here is more information:

      http://auschwitz.org/en/museum/news/human-fat-was-used-to-produce-soap-in-gdansk-during-the-war,55.html

      The Poles aren’t fond of Russians or Communists.

      “This Alexander Werth was probably nothing more than a Soviet propaganda stooge. He was a writer, just like Vasily Grossman, and Ilya Ehrenberg, who had been set an agenda by their bosses in Moscow to invent the most horrific and inhuman stories about German behaviour in Poland during WW2.”

      Oh, I don’t know. I’d probably say they were guilty of exaggerating details but I doubt they invented anything. Besides, why would the Soviets need to invent anything after what the Germans did in their country?

      “But of course, none of it is true, but the holohoaxers have eagerly bought into these bullshit stories,”

      You are very eager to paint with a very wide brush, Talbot.

      “because they fit perfectly well into their agenda of “unique jewish suffering”. ”

      Have I ever, once, stated that the Holocaust was unique? Have I ever painted it only as “unique Jewish suffering?”
      Again, you are smearing with a very wide brush. To me (and frankly from what I see on other sites, forums and blogs) only deniers make the Holocaust solely about Jews.

      “This of course helps to keep the “holocaust industry” alive and well – so that the compensation racket doesn’t dry up any time soon!”

      Yawn. Rhetoric.
      Talbot, do me a favor and find out who the Germans compensated, the amounts and when this occurred. I’d like to see where you are getting this information.

      “Even the name of the soap has proved over the years to be a fabrication;”

      Not a fabrication, merely confusion over the translation of “RIF,” a poor quality soap produced by the Germans during WW II.

      “and a photo of Doctor Spanner’s so-called “factory” shows a room which is only about twice as big as a normal family kitchen – so how on earth could he have stored lots of human corpses inside there, and installed all the necessary processing equipment.”

      This is the picture Talbot is talking about:

      image1.gif

      This just looks like one room.

      “But the most telling piece of information from these websites says;- “After the war, Rudolf Spanner was not arrested, and continued his research”. Ah!, so there we have the truth – Mr Spanner was not using human fat at all, but was engaged in some other chemical process in order to make his soap.”

      Actually Spanner was arrested but no charges were made against him. The Poles in the above article state at most he could be charged with is destruction of evidence. This makes sense, no one ever claimed that he killed anyone himself or committed any other crime:

      “http://auschwitz.org/en/museum/news/human-fat-was-used-to-produce-soap-in-gdansk-during-the-war,55.html

      Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 2:48 pm

      • Sorry, here is the picture:

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

        • Yes, that’s exactly the photo I was referring to – the room is about twice as large as a family kitchen. Doctor Spanner may well have been using it for his harmless little experimental/commercial venture. But I don’t think that any human corpses – let alone hundreds of them – were ever brought over from Stutthof to Gdansk in order to be pickled in vats etc.

          You see, that’s the trouble with poor Jeff – just because something is documented and given an official seal of approval by those he deems to be experts or authority figures, then it automatically must be true, and consequently accepted by everyone else. Thus, he is in the position of more-or-less having to take as gospel every false propaganda statement, document or photo image ever issued by the Soviets and the western Allies, plus all the unverified and fabricated testimonies from victims and German defendants at the post-war trials and tribunals.

          But it quite obvious to most people that this “human soap” story is utter nonsense, because Doctor Spanner was not charged with any horrendous offences, and went on his merry way in order to continue his innocent activities. If there had of been the slightest suspicion that he had been experimenting with human tissue, then you can bet your sweet bottom dollar that the Poles would have proceeded with prosecution, followed by a Show Trial.

          Comment by Talbot — August 10, 2016 @ 4:00 pm

          • “Yes, that’s exactly the photo I was referring to – the room is about twice as large as a family kitchen.”

            You are welcome. I also said its only a picture of a room, not a full factory.

            “Doctor Spanner may well have been using it for his harmless little experimental/commercial venture. But I don’t think that any human corpses – let alone hundreds of them – were ever brought over from Stutthof to Gdansk in order to be pickled in vats etc.”

            The key words? “I don’t think,” as in I have nothing to go by, no evidence to the contrary.
            Naturally if you have something……oh, never mind. You don’t so I won’t bother.

            “You see, that’s the trouble with poor Jeff”

            Aaaawwww, I appreciate the misplaced sympathy.

            ” – just because something is documented and given an official seal of approval by those he deems to be experts or authority figures, then it automatically must be true, and consequently accepted by everyone else.”

            I always love to read your silliness. It’s one of the highlights of my day. It helps relieve the boredom of reading court documents and DA reports.

            Here’s the thing, Talbot. Deniers seem incapable of linkage, that is linking documents to testimony to what was found at these sites. So, if I have a German document showing deportations to the a camp, with no one exiting, to eyewitness testimony describing what happened, to what investigators found after the site was liberated, I conclude that the original document is genuine.
            You (and other deniers) take the position that any document that does not meet your preconceived notion that the gas chambers were fake as a forgery. However, doing so ignores the reality that you have no evidence to the contrary. So, in essence, you start with an erroneous assumption that this is a hoax WITH NO PROOF of said hoax. You also ignore the realities of Nazi Policy, military actions, the realities of what the war was like in Poland, the USSR, the Baltic States, Hungary, etc. You also ignore the political realities after the war, i.e. you expect me to believe that all parties to this hoax agreedvto continue with this hoax long after they stopped cooperating or agreeing TO ANYTHING ELSE.

            “Thus, he is in the position of more-or-less having to take as gospel every false propaganda statement, document or photo image ever issued by the Soviets and the western Allies, plus all the unverified and fabricated testimonies from victims and German defendants at the post-war trials and tribunals.”

            Well, that’s fascinating.
            Here’s the thing, Talbot. Why would the Poles lie about the results of a piece of soap? What benefit does it provide them to do so? They could just as easily say the results were inconclusive or disproved it entirely. It doesn’t mean anything to them, Stutthof is an actual concentration camp, tourists and academics aren’t going to stop coming to the site over a piece of soap.

            “But it quite obvious to most people that this “human soap” story is utter nonsense, because Doctor Spanner was not charged with any horrendous offences, and went on his merry way in order to continue his innocent activities.”

            Apparently you missed the bit about the British detaining him for two years.

            “If there had of been the slightest suspicion that he had been experimenting with human tissue, then you can bet your sweet bottom dollar that the Poles would have proceeded with prosecution, followed by a Show Trial.”

            Except the Poles didn’t have him, the British did. They couldn’t find a reason to charge him so they let him go. They did exert pressure to have him dismissed from an academic post so he went into private practice.

            Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 4:51 pm

            • It doesn’t matter if the Brits held him or the Poles. If there was any real evidence that Doctor Spanner was involved in the manufacture of human soap then he would have been handed over to the appropriate authorities for trial and punishment.

              No, Jeff, you’re getting desperate here. All your earnest waffle and verbiage on this issue is a waste of time. Nobody who reads this website is going to be convinced at all by your assertions. Don’t you realise how ridiculous the proposition is – that SS doctors would be pickling human cadavers in vats in order to make soap.

              Dear, oh dear – whatever story will emerge next from this everlasting holohoax.

              Comment by Talbot — August 10, 2016 @ 5:28 pm

              • “It doesn’t matter if the Brits held him or the Poles. If there was any real evidence that Doctor Spanner was involved in the manufacture of human soap then he would have been handed over to the appropriate authorities for trial and punishment.”

                Wait a minute, Talbot. If the whole idea was to frame the Germans and make them look bad, why worry about evidence? Why not simply manufacture it and convict Spanner anyway?
                I think you just strangled yourself on your contradictions, Talbot. Why not simply convict Spanner with manufactured evidence? After all, didn’t the allies just forge what they needed?

                Oopsie, I see denier conspiracy theory falling apart.

                “No, Jeff, you’re getting desperate here.”

                No, Talbot, I am not. I am bringing up legitimate points here.

                “All your earnest waffle and verbiage on this issue is a waste of time.”

                Really? You haven’t troubled yourself to answer any of it or provide evidence of your own.

                “Nobody who reads this website is going to be convinced at all by your assertions.”

                Why not? Only deniers are delusional and I don’t care about them.

                “Don’t you realise how ridiculous the proposition is – that SS doctors would be pickling human cadavers in vats in order to make soap.”

                Why is it ridiculous? It’s possible, certainly. Frankly I don’t think it really matters….even if it was done it certainly wasn’t done on any massive or industrialized scale.

                “Dear, oh dear – whatever story will emerge next from this everlasting holohoax.”

                Oh dear is right, Talbot.

                I think I’m tired of your ducking and dodging. What I want is proof….real proof…that some sort of conspiracy existed. I want all documents related to this that you have in your possession, links that prove this, names, dates, whatever you have so that I can see what it is that finally convinced you that some sort of “hoax” is going on.

                Chop, chop, Talbot.

                Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 6:37 pm

              • Hey scalping was a pretty popular past time,with the native Americans. I’m surprised the Jews ain’t tried to use that for their own nefarious purposes.

                Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 7:26 pm

          • Once again,if the Ruskies provide anything,I’ll take it with a grain of salt. I don’t trust those Red Bastards no furthe than I can throw a bull by the tail. In all honesty,I’d be more open to the idea of trusting a Jew .

            Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 7:22 pm

      • You are very eager to paint with a very wide brush, Talbot.

        Wasn’t it just a short while ago that you, in one of your comments, unflatteringly, and absolutely unnecessarily/irrelevantly, characterized “most” people who comment here? — remember that?

        Rhetorical question: could you be any more of a despicable and hypocritical ass?

        Meine Güte — you really are a total piece of shit.

        Comment by eah — August 10, 2016 @ 7:28 pm

        • “You are very eager to paint with a very wide brush, Talbot.”

          “Wasn’t it just a short while ago that you, in one of your comments, unflatteringly, and absolutely unnecessarily/irrelevantly, characterized “most” people who comment here? — remember that?”

          I do remember that I’ve called you a bitch, a prom queen and a douchebag. Did I leave any out?

          “Rhetorical question: could you be any more of a despicable and hypocritical ass?”

          Rhetorical question:
          Are you the world’s biggest, bitchiest, douchebag prom queen this side of Adolf Hitler?

          “Meine Güte — you really are a total piece of shit.”

          You seriously lack imagination. Your insults are dull and I really don’t understand why you waste my time.
          Look, I know you are in mourning because your Goering and Goebbels blow up dolls developed holes (that’s what happens when you play too rough with your toys) but you could do us all a favor and step up your game just a tad.

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 8:21 pm

        • Oh, eah? I missed one. I did just call you a prick.

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 8:29 pm

          • Jeff – You forgot to include the words pompous and supercilious when you called him a prick

            Comment by Anonymouse — August 11, 2016 @ 5:17 pm

            • Hey, you’re right!!!!!

              😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

              Comment by Jeff K. — August 11, 2016 @ 5:29 pm

  7. I would like to know why the Kapos in the camps aren’t put on trial….They actually ran the camps and were the ones responsible for killing their own. They can’t use the excuse they were just doing their job….look at how that excuse worked out for the Germans.

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — August 10, 2016 @ 10:19 am

    • Yeah. Patty Hearst tried to pull that stunt. The judge didn’t accept it. If they put them on trial,hopefully they’d draw an honest judge. He’d look at em and say,”don’t gimme that BS. That shit don’t fly with me”.

      Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 10:34 am

    • Here’s a couple for you Jim – you seem to have a short attention span but try reading the first one through – it’s about the nature of humans ……

      https://archive.org/stream/HermannLangbeinPeopleInAuschwitz/Hermann_Langbein_People_in_Auschwitz_djvu.txt

      http://isurvived.org/Lustig_Oliver-CCDictionary/CCD-08_K.html#B1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo_(concentration_camp)

      Comment by Anonymouse — August 11, 2016 @ 5:15 pm

      • Why bother giving anybody,anything,to read about the human condition. It’s a real simple thing to explain the ,”human condition (nature). We’re the most arrogant animal on the face of the planet. It don’t matter what race or gender. Rich or poor. Young or old. Believe in an afterlife or not. Don’t matter if a person is meek or not. Everybody seems to think they got a bead on what’s going on. You want proof? You can start here. Each side is firmly grounded in their beliefs about this subject. That don’t make them bad people,that’s the way humans are. I said Jimbo is like,Stone Mountain Georgia. He ain’t gonna budge for shit. I’d say Jeff is like Stone Mountain,but that would mean he and Jimbo would have to occupy the same real estate . The proverbial,”snowballs chance in hell” on that one . So we’ll say Jeff is like the Big Horn Mountains. He ain’t gonna budge either. I’d say most humans dont realize they have a certain amount of arrogance in them. They don’t realize it,cause it would be something that’s unimaginable to them. They’re so arrogant to the point,that it would wreck what they perceive to be,”their own little world”. To some extent,their happy with their own little delusional world. There it is. Arrogance explains it all.

        Comment by Tim — August 11, 2016 @ 9:22 pm

  8. Well, at least Robert Faurisson won’t have to go around Europe anymore asking publicly for someone to show him a photo, or a drawing, of a gas chamber – because there it is, in the image above, which Further Glory has kindly provided for our merriment and joy.

    What you see in front of you, ladies and gentlemen, is German technology and construction at its finest. One can readily see how the Nazis could easily organise a “Production Line of Death” through this facility. How many Jews in total perished in the gas chamber, you might ask? Well….difficult to say….who knows…. perhaps half a million – maybe three quarters of a million if you packed them in well; but obviously, just like Auschwitz, those destined for extermination were not registered upon arrival at the Stutthof camp so we’ll never know for sure.

    But God knows what they did with all the dead bodies – maybe they dumped them in the woods that we see in the background.

    Comment by Talbot — August 10, 2016 @ 10:13 am

    • I was gonna say they dried em out,and used em as cord wood

      Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 10:17 am

      • You wrote about “cord wood”

        I wrote about the use of the word “cord wood” on this blog post:

        https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/bodies-stacked-like-cordwood-how-many-times-have-you-read-those-words/

        Comment by furtherglory — August 10, 2016 @ 10:23 am

        • That’s what daddy always called it. Then again you and him are from a totally different time period than most of us on here. Both sets of my grandparents had outhouses. We’d visit Mee Maw on pops side up in Pa. We’d stay for about 3 or 4 days. I always left constipated to no end. No way in hell I was gonna sit my ass down on that thing. Aside from the smell (that made me sick like a dog), pop would regale me with talk of the “snakes”,that would show up in there every now and again. I didn’t get out of using outhouses though. When I got to Nam,they had SEA huts we had to use at base camp. SEA Hut “South East Asia Hut”. Military outhouse. I thought having to shit in one of those was bad. That was a joy compared to having to pull out the half of a 55 gallon drum that was what I called,”the shit receptacle”. We’d have to pull them out from under each stall and burn off the shit and piss with diesel. That’ll ruin an appetite real quick

          Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 11:10 am

    • Well, then, Talbot, show us evidence to the contrary….. I’ve asked you this before:

      Where did the Jews go if the Nazis didn’t kill them?

      Do some research and get back to us.

      Or, is your excuse going to be the mean ol’ Communists destroyed the evidence?

      Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 10:32 am

      • to us

        Leave everyone else out of this, you obnoxious dumbshit — no one else gives a damn about these asinine concerns/questions of yours — the ‘Holocaust’, as alleged, is a crime — it is up to those who claim it happened to provide convincing proof — evidence, including/especially forensic evidence, that meets the ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ standard — make a note of it, prick.

        Comment by eah — August 10, 2016 @ 11:01 am

        • “Leave everyone else out of this, you obnoxious dumbshit — no one else gives a damn about these asinine concerns/questions of yours —”

          The bitchy prom queen rants. All tremble before the bitchy prom queen.
          What’s the matter, did you suddenly run out of tea and Valium?
          Or is your diaper full? Did you drop your binkie? Or, horror of horrors…did your Hitler blow up doll get a hole in it?

          “the ‘Holocaust’, as alleged, is a crime —”

          No, it’s a fact of history, like the Armenian Genocide or the Holdomor. If you have an alternate history you’d like to peddle then you have to prove it.

          “it is up to those who claim it happened to provide convincing proof — evidence, including/especially forensic evidence,”

          Done that, plenty of times.

          Denier excuses on why they won’t accept it:

          1) The Soviets did the investigation, therefore it is suspect.
          2) The Poles did the investigation, therefore it is suspect.
          3) It’s a forgery (no proof provided).
          4) It was produced during the IMT (as if that means a damn thing).
          5) It was produced during later trials but the West Germans only did this because they wanted the approval of the United States.
          6) All eyewitnesses are liars (as if THAT meant a damn thing).

          “that meets the ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ standard —”

          Oh, please. Wah. Are you that naive? Grow up and live in the real world. I realize that’s really hard for deniers but you need to make an effort.

          ” make a note of it, prick.”

          Yes, I’ve made a note that you are a prick.

          Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 11:26 am

          • Jeff, the Holocaust as described in orthodox historiography is not a fact of history. You are a sterling example of the Dunning – Kruger Effect. The details although relatively simple they are beyond your level of comprehension. Dunning & Kruger proved scientifically what Mark Twain intuited more than 100 years ago when he made the observation that…
            “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”

            Just calm down and list numerically all the evidential things you “know” (not what you “believe” but you deduced through a logical/rational process) and how you got this point that what you contend to be absolutely irrefutable about what I will for the sake of argument contend makes the orthodox historiography not scientifically possible.

            Comment by shafarnullifidian — August 10, 2016 @ 6:28 pm

            • I still like what Issac Asimov said. ” To all of you who think you know everything,you’re annoying those of us who do.” I’m not knockin on ya Jeff. I just like that quote. I think we could use Shrodingers Cat here. Yeah,there’s a bit of a paradox in some of this shit. Hell we might even be able to apply statistics and probabilities in some small way here.

              Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 7:17 pm

            • “Jeff, the Holocaust as described in orthodox historiography is not a fact of history. You are a sterling example of the Dunning – Kruger Effect. The details although relatively simple they are beyond your level of comprehension.”

              You and I are getting off on the wrong foot. You’ll drop the condescending attitude and we’ll continue this on a civilized level. Don’t presume to know what I can or cannot comprehend.

              “Dunning & Kruger proved scientifically what Mark Twain intuited more than 100 years ago when he made the observation that…
              “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”

              How nice but completely irrelevant.

              “Just calm down and list numerically all the evidential things you “know” (not what you “believe” but you deduced through a logical/rational process) and how you got this point that what you contend to be absolutely irrefutable about what I will for the sake of argument contend makes the orthodox historiography not scientifically possible.”

              That was a bit tortured but OK.
              I’ll tell you what. I’m going to put my answer at the top of the comments. The indentation is getting a bit difficult to read. You can answer below me and we’ll go from there.

              Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 8:40 pm

            • Really – why? Jeff has listed a lot more evidence than you – get on with it – prove him wrong, or does your superior attitude not allow for such a thing?

              Dunning & Kruger is not about proof of fact, its about belief in one’s self opinion – prove him wrong if you can otherwise stop with the pseudo psychological crap

              Comment by Anonymouse — August 11, 2016 @ 5:38 pm

    • Maybe the reason why we don’t see any mass graves around that terrifying homicidal gas chamber, is because all the corpses were taken away for pickling in vats at Dr. Spanner’s human soap factory in Danzig.

      With Stutthof lying at the edge of woods that border the Baltic coast, its quite possible, that in the dead of night, the sondercommandos were ordered to drag all the bodies through the trees to the shoreline, where the SS officer would use a smugglers lantern to signal to any passing German U-Boat out at sea. The submarine would pick up the corpses and continue along the coast to Danzig where they were unloaded at Dr. Spanner’s Devil’s Kitchen, and promptly dumped into vats of pickling vinegar.

      I can just imagine the demonic doctor rubbing his claws with evil glee, and cackling wildly at the huge success of his own invention which allowed “the final solution” to be turned into a profit-making venture.

      We don’t know at this stage if Dr. Spanner sold all his soap direct to the Nazi administration, or whether he rented a pitch at the Saturday market in the town square of Danzig, and sold direct to the public. But hopefully, we shall hear the full story when those utterly wicked elderly former typists are solemnly brought to trial in Germany.

      Comment by Talbot — August 11, 2016 @ 6:24 am

      • Talbot, do you have any actual proof of the conspiracy you believe in? I asked you for this yesterday.

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 11, 2016 @ 6:36 am

        • Jeff, do you have any proof that the building that we see in the above photo was really a homicidal gas chamber?

          Comment by Talbot — August 11, 2016 @ 7:59 am

          • “Jeff, do you have any proof that the building that we see in the above photo was really a homicidal gas chamber?”

            So, no then.

            How am I supposed to take any of this seriously?

            Let me see:

            The Holocaust is supposed to be one of the biggest hoaxes of all time, however I can’t get any straight answers on motives, players or how any of it started. There’s no proof on how any of this was pulled off. I’m supposed to believe that the victors manufactured evidence but there is nothing to actually prove this. Oh, but I’m supposed to take this for granted, yet for some reason the perpetrators couldn’t bother themselves to manufacture evidence against a doctor who is accused of making soap out of corpses. However, this is supposed to be an important part of the Holocaust hoax.
            I’m supposed to believe in some sort of collusion between the United States, Great Britain, the USSR and the Jews but I can’t get a clear answer on why. I also don’t understand why these allies turned to enemies continued cooperating on this matter even after the Cold War started. This makes even less sense when you consider that Stalin himself was anti-Semitic and turned on Isreal.
            So, Talbot, I’d like some answers with proof, not your cute little stories or your ducking and dodging with no proof.

            Comment by Jeff K. — August 11, 2016 @ 8:16 am

            • Some people enjoy cute little stories about the holohoax – and others…..don’t ! You obviously fall into the latter category, Jeff.

              But you can’t prove with documents that Hitler ordered the “extermination of the Jews”.

              You can’t prove with documents that 6 million (or is it 11 million) perished in a deliberately orchestrated campaign of mass murder.

              You can’t prove with documents that homicidal gas chambers ever existed.

              And how can anyone directly “prove” that a conspiracy by the Allied powers and International Jewry took place immediately after the war to denigrate and criminalise not only the Nazis, but the entire German nation. A conspiracy by its nature is a secretive affair, and to expose it is difficult and complex. One often needs indirect, or circumstantial evidence to analyse the conspiracy, and then use thought, reason, informed speculation and plain common sense to arrive at the truth. And this is why people – mainly sceptics and revisionists – contribute to this particular website in order to share their thoughts together.

              You yourself might find this situation exasperating, Jeff – irritating even, but that’s tough. You either have to accept it, or go elsewhere.

              Comment by Talbot — August 11, 2016 @ 8:58 am

              • “Some people enjoy cute little stories about the holohoax – and others…..don’t ! You obviously fall into the latter category, Jeff.”

                Well, to me they are just a desperate attempt to avoid answering questions. I think that’s sad.

                “But you can’t prove with documents that Hitler ordered the “extermination of the Jews”.”

                Hitler largely left this to subordinates like Himmler and Heydrich, Talbot. He learned from the T-4 Program not to get his hands dirty.

                “You can’t prove with documents that 6 million (or is it 11 million) perished in a deliberately orchestrated campaign of mass murder.”

                Enough documents exist to make that blatantly obvious Talbot.

                “You can’t prove with documents that homicidal gas chambers ever existed.”

                Pressac and Van Pelt proved that those documents existed, Talbot.

                “And how can anyone directly “prove” that a conspiracy by the Allied powers and International Jewry took place immediately after the war to denigrate and criminalise not only the Nazis, but the entire German nation.”

                Again, what was the motivation to denigrate and criminalize the German Nation, Talbot? What is International Jewry, Talbot?

                “A conspiracy by its nature is a secretive affair, and to expose it is difficult and complex.”

                We are talking about a massive conspiracy here, Talbot. For something like this to work it needed massive amounts of coordination between the heads of three major governments, massive amounts of forged documents, hundreds of thousands of witnesses, hundreds of thousands of perpatrators willing or tortured into compliance, sites prepared, buildings altered or destroyed and above all it needed this to be done in silence with no possibility…ever…of any leaks whatsoever. Oh, it also needed the compliance of countries like Poland to agree to go along with all of this. To top it off it needed the continued compliance of the major governments involved EVEN AFTER the Cold War started.

                Nothing, Talbot. Think about that, think about how hard it is for people to keep secrets. Think about the fact that no spy ever defected and leaked the documents, no memoirs written, no interviews from South America or Africa, nothing, not a word. We have people crawling out of the woodwork to admit to a conspiracy involving the assassination of JFK yet we have none of that involving what has to be one of the largest conspiracies in the history of the world.
                Do you have any answers to what I’ve just said?

                “One often needs indirect, or circumstantial evidence to analyse the conspiracy, and then use thought, reason, informed speculation and plain common sense to arrive at the truth. And this is why people – mainly sceptics and revisionists – contribute to this particular website in order to share their thoughts together.”

                See all of what I said above, I want answers.

                “You yourself might find this situation exasperating, Jeff – irritating even, but that’s tough. You either have to accept it, or go elsewhere.”

                Oh, I’m not going anywhere, Talbot. I’m going to keep showing you how ridiculous this whole thing is.

                Comment by Jeff K. — August 11, 2016 @ 9:32 am

      • This is one that makes shit for sense. Supposedly they had crematoriums. If that’s the case,why would they need mass graves. If everything went down with this part of history the way they said it did,wouldn’t a person want to dispose of bodies in a way,so they’re ass is not caught in a sling. I would think a mass grave would tend to stick out a little bit. Even the Gambino family had Roy Mateo and the Gemini Twins around to slice and dice a corpse so disposal would be easy.

        Comment by Tim — August 11, 2016 @ 10:42 am

  9. This is what I was asking about yesterday. It was a story Fox carried on their website. I thought it was f–ked up,because that moron prosecutor,is putting the girl Friday from the prison on trial. Someone needs to inform this dork,”he’s a little chicken shit bitch”.

    Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 10:12 am

  10. “I don’t think the German people should worry about this. There is no reason why dead people cannot be put on trial. Remember that the first three laws of the Jewish religion are Revenge, Revenge, Revenge.”

    Why do you say that? Germans are putting these people on trial, not Jews.

    Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 9:53 am

    • You wrote: “Why do you say that? Germans are putting these people on trial, not Jews.”
      The German people are putting these people on trial because they are controlled by Jews. There are now one million Jews in Germany, at the last count. The German people have learned their lesson. They either allow the Jews to rule, or their country will be destroyed again.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 10, 2016 @ 10:09 am

      • Where do you get the number of 1,000,000 Jews?

        This says 250,000:

        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/welcome-to-the-fastest-growing-jewish-community-in-the-world-germany-1.409388?v=B6183B307FE842B776979211D12A91C5

        “They either allow the Jews to rule, or their country will be destroyed again.”

        Uh huh.
        Sorry, that’s far fetched. Hitler started the war, you can’t blame the Jews for that.

        Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 10:29 am

        • Like I said,” the number of dead Jews changes so much,they should be listed as a commodity on CBOT.”. Buy the numbers of dead Jews like a person would who’s buying livestock futures. The way the number is always changing,it has the characteristics of a commodity

          Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 10:41 am

        • You wrote: “Hitler started the war”
          I wrote about the start of World War II on one of my first blog posts:

          https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/alfred-naujocks-and-the-start-of-world-war-ii/

          Comment by furtherglory — August 10, 2016 @ 10:52 am

          • Even if that were true,you can only credit Germany with the war,as far as the European theater is concerned. Hitler didn’t have dick to do with the pacific theater. The Japanese Empire took care of that. Since it took all the axis powers to start and wage a war,a person can’t say any one person or nation started it. I really hate to say this,but I think America was just looking for an excuse to get in the shit. I know the Jews were on the bottom of the list. America didn’t give a shit about their problems

            Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 11:27 am

            • Good point. Hitler had nothing to do with the Pacific War.

              Comment by Jeff K. — August 10, 2016 @ 11:29 am

              • Well I figure there’s enough guilt to go around,for “all” the countries that showed up for this shindig.

                Comment by Tim — August 10, 2016 @ 11:40 am

      • The German people are putting these people on trial because they are controlled by Jews. There are now one million Jews in Germany, at the last count. The German people have learned their lesson. They either allow the Jews to rule, or their country will be destroyed again.

        Really – why do you think this – most Germans I know don’t mention Jews at all (I know a lot btw) – which Jews control the German parliament? – do they manipulate the elections? are the prosecutors Jews (prove it if they are) – do you not think the Germans have better things to do than blame the Jews for their problems – this is the country that has welcomed 1 million people form the Arab world into their country – really sounds like the Jews control their country doesn’t it.

        Comment by Anonymouse — August 11, 2016 @ 5:50 pm

        • I must say,I love your afterthought you inserted in the after the part of the paragraph that ended with,”most Germans I don’t know,mention Jews at all”. After that you put in parentheses ( I KNOW A LOT BTW) . I’ll surmise,”BTW”,means “by the way”. Issac asimov would’ve loved you. He give you a quote of his,that pertains to people who think,”they know everything”. Here it is. “People who think they know everything,are a great annoyance to those of us who do.”

          Comment by Tim — August 11, 2016 @ 10:03 pm

          • Well done Timmy boy you are right about btw – let me be more clear for you – I know a lot of Germans

            Comment by Anonymouse — August 17, 2016 @ 3:20 pm

            • Well shit ! I was hoping for more than that. Like Plato once said,”a wise man speaks because he has something to say. A fool speaks to say something “.

              Comment by Tim — August 17, 2016 @ 4:04 pm


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