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August 26, 2016

Were the “Holocaust ovens” too small to have been used to kill 6 million Jews?

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 11:49 am

Trump Foreign Policy Adviser: The Holocaust Ovens Were ‘Too Small To Kill 6 Million Jews’

The “Holocaust ovens” are back in the news, as shown in the newspaper headline above.  Yes, yes, I know that the Jews were [allegedly] killed in gas chambers, not in gas  ovens.

The “Holocaust ovens” were used to burn the bodies after the Jews had allegedly been gassed.

What does this have to do with Donald Trump’s campaign? Absolutely nothing!

However, a news article claims that the Jews were killed in ovens. You can read the article in full at http://uproxx.com/news/trump-foreign-policy-adviser-holocaust-ovens-too-small/

My 2005 photo of an oven in the main Auschwitz camp

My 2005 photo of an oven in the main Auschwitz camp that was used to burn the bodies of Jews

In my photo above, notice how small the cremation oven is. The ovens at Auschwitz were deep enough to burn two bodies at a time, but that’s all. It would have taken a long time to kill 6 million Jews, two at a time, in the cremation ovens.

My photo of the rear of an Auscxhwitz oven

My photo of the rear of an Auschwitz oven

My photo above shows the rear of an oven where the ashes were removed.

My photo shows that the ovens were near the door into the Auschwitz gas chamber

My photo shows that the ovens were very close to an interior door into the Auschwitz gas chamber

A trolley car used to put bodies into oven

My photo of a trolley car used to put bodies into an oven in Auschwitz main camp

 

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  1. Wikipedia says the following about the cremation process at Majdanek ( but implies that this is the same for the furnaces at Birkenau );-

    “The Holocaust furnaces were supplied by a number of manufacturers, with the best known and most common being Topf and Sons as well as Kori Company of Berlin, whose ovens were elongated to accommodate two bodies, slid inside from the back side. The ashes were taken out from the front side. The furnaces were also unique, in that they were of a “stand alone” type. Meaning that there was no visible duct work for the exhaust gases. These furnaces, based around a design commonly used for hospital incinerators, instead vented the gasses down through a series of ducts embedded in the floor, with the help of a draft fan located at the far end of the structure. Once outside, the gasses then rose through a free standing chimney, most notable for the fact that it was not directly attached to the structure of the building itself, nor had a visible duct leading into it.”

    The “Jewish Virtual Library” say this;-

    “It had two ovens which were brought to Majdanek from the Sachsenhausen camp in Germany. The new crematorium was outfitted with five Kori ovens which were fueled with coke. When you first walk into the crematorium, you see the row of five ovens. They are placed so close to the entrance door that you realize that there would not have been enough room for workers to slide the bodies inside. Then you walk around to the other side and see that the bodies were put into the ovens from the back side and the ashes taken out on the front side, close to the entrance door. You can look all the way through the ovens and see that the interior of each oven is long enough to accommodate two bodies.”

    So they both seem to be suggesting that two bodies weren’t piled on top of each other in the furnace retorts, but were stretched out lengthwise next to each other. This is news to me, because I’ve never heard of this arrangement before. But one has to ask if the furnace could actually work efficiently, because you are doubling the size of the retort, and would probably need twice the amount of heat to be generated and distributed around the chamber.

    Wikipedia even claims the furnaces were based upon a design used for hospital incinerators. But is this correct? or are they just hoping that a little bit of technical jargon might satisfy their readers.

    And it is a strange arrangement for an alleged production line of body disposal in an extermination program, for the heavy bodies to be lugged around to the rear of the facility, while the light-weight ashes are retrieved from the front !

    But one has to admire Wikipedia’s coyness in describing the “free standing chimney” without any connection to the cremation facility. It says that there is no “visible duct leading duct leading into it”. Quite – it was an invisible duct – a magical, mysterious one that was only known to the sondercommandos.

    Comment by Talbot — August 27, 2016 @ 7:02 am

    • Did they ever put a case on those companies? Hey,the assholes are going after people that had absolutely dick to do with the holo. I figure they’d go after the people who made the ovens.
      I say it be a bit to even pin “accessory” to the folks who made the ovens.

      Comment by Tim — August 27, 2016 @ 7:36 am

      • Tim wrote: “Did they ever put a case on those companies? ”

        Of course, they did, Tim. Ludwig Topf reportedly committed suicide in May 1945. And his brother Ernst-Wolfgang [Topf] was put on trial by the Americans. Their employee Kurt Prüfer (who had designed ovens for the Topf and sons company) was arrested by the Soviets, told them what they wanted to hear and was then sent to a gulag where he died in 1952.

        Since the victors of WW2 fictionally turned the morgues of Krema II and III at Birkenau into homicidal gas chambers and undressing rooms for atrocity propaganda purposes, the company Topf and sons consequently built homicidal gas chambers instead of just crematory and funerary facilites. So Topf and sons became the core of the alleged Nazi murder factory at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Apparently nobody found it odd that the Nazis supposedly tasked a manufacturer of crematory ovens, rather than the chemical corporation Degesch (an experienced manufacturer of poison gases and delousing gas chambers), with the development and construction of large unprecedented communal gas chambers. The orthodox narrative of this episode amounts to claiming that the Nazis tasked a manufacturer of socks and shoes with the development and production of their V-2 rockets.

        Comment by hermie — August 29, 2016 @ 7:16 am

        • I guess we can go ahead and prosecute ,”Heckler and Koch,Mossberg and Ruger”. I only use mine for hunting and home protection. According to Jew mentality they’d probably think the guns are only for killing people.

          A gas chamber is gonna be a lot trickier. It has to have a 100% air tight environment. Look at San Quentins gas chamber. I don’t see how any company that makes ovens for torching bodies,is gonna have the first bit of knowledge to make a gas chamber. If the shit is to be effective,you’ve got to consider the souls inside the chamber,as well as outside. What’s the worst that can happen if you’re cookin a body? It’s gonna stink like a dead possum. On the other hand,you don’t properly construct a gas chamber,people outside of it,could be subject to the effects of it.
          I can’t accept people going from making Easy Bake Ovens to gas chambers. It don’t make good sense.

          Comment by Tim — August 29, 2016 @ 8:09 am

  2. Don’t forget the “pizza and the Jew” joke made the same claim. At least the “why do Jews have such big noses”, joke is a bit more workable.

    Comment by Tim — August 27, 2016 @ 6:38 am

  3. OK, there are two ovens. Are you saying each oven could hold TWO persons or because there are shown two ovens each could hold one? I’m a bit confused.

    PERSONNALLY unless the dead bodies were very small these ovens could only hold ONE person. It took upwards to an hour or longer to cremate ONE body. Even by modern 2016 standards and computer controlled ovens that is the case…..
    The whole story about the crematories and the gas ovens is totally misrepresented anyway. People mix up the two and make all sorts of problems with the correct way things happened. Besides if the Jews tell the story you can bet you are NOT getting the right story in the first place that is why even though this next quote was a believer in the “final solution” he understood the human ability to get the story wrong:

    “most of the memoirs and reports of Holocaust survivors are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic  effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”
    –Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950,
    Vol. 12, p. 65

    Comment by rizolitv — August 26, 2016 @ 4:51 pm

    • You wrote: “Are you saying each oven [in the Auschwitz main camp] could hold TWO persons or because there are shown two ovens each could hold one?”

      There were four ovens, that were long and narrow; each oven could hold two bodies, placed end to end.

      At Dachau, I saw ovens that had two compartments, placed end to end. I have photos of the Dachau ovens on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/CrematoriaArea/NewCrematorium04.html

      The last photo on that web page shows an oven which has an inner door that could be raised and lowered. This inner door divided the oven so that two bodies could be burned at the same time in two compartments.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 27, 2016 @ 6:51 am

      • I’ve seen some pics of the ovens,where there were like 2 or 3 skeletons piled on top each other.

        If that was the case,I can’t accept nazis would have anything to do with that for one simple reason. Nazis were just too damned efficient.

        Since space would’ve been at a premium in the easy bake ovens,seems to me they wouldn’t pile that many bodies in the oven.

        People can’t say they didn’t take the remains from the first batch out,before the cooked the second batch. If would take longer burning corpses on top of ones that were already fired up.

        Comment by Tim — August 27, 2016 @ 7:44 am

      • FG says ” This inner door divided the oven so that two bodies could be burned at the same time in two compartments.” But where was this inner door that divided the retort into two compartments controlled from?

        After studying the photos, it looks to me as if the mechanism mounted on the lateral beam and pulleys above seems to control an inner door that is located almost adjacent to the outer door of the retort. But there seems to be no external evidence that a door placed halfway along the retort actually existed.

        Comment by Talbot — August 27, 2016 @ 9:34 am

        • You wrote: “But there seems to be no external evidence that a door placed halfway along the retort actually existed.”

          I have lots of photos of the Dachau ovens on this page of my website:
          http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/CrematoriaArea/NewCrematorium04.html

          Comment by furtherglory — August 27, 2016 @ 9:54 am

          • How were those ovens vented? There are no top smoke/venting stacks above them so am I to assume the venting went below which seems a bit contrary to physics, learn me here…

            Comment by rizolitv — August 27, 2016 @ 10:42 am

            • I saw the answer to the venting BUT…my problem or question is IS this the way this was set up in these pictures? Were these workable ovens or just dupes to show you what they want to tell you? Why don’t they show the underground venting to where it leads then? There must be somewhere where those ovens lead to the outside which I have NEVER seen in any pictures….It looks to me that those ovens are fakes, rebuilt for that room…..Lastly all this “people hanging from hooks”, some maybe being “alive” nonsense is just theatre, the way the Jews want the story to go. I’m surprised they didn’t say they smashed babies heads against the ovens and ate their eyeballs for protein health doing this hard work….

              Comment by rizolitv — August 27, 2016 @ 10:54 am

              • I thought they smashed the babies heads upside the rail car when they were unloading .
                The next one I heard. The babies were tossed in on top of the Jews that were in the gas house,waiting their turn.

                I wish they’d make up their minds how they died. That’s the bad part about lies,they become impossible to keep straight.

                Comment by Tim — August 27, 2016 @ 11:46 am

                • You wrote: “I thought they smashed the babies heads upside the rail car when they were unloading.”

                  This story was told by Holocaust survivor Philip Riteman. AFAIK, Philip Riteman was the only person who observed the smashing of the heads of babies.

                  I wrote about him on this page of my website:
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/PhilipRiteman.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 27, 2016 @ 11:51 am

                • Like I said,” they can’t keep track of their lies.” If I was to accept either one of those stories,I’d be more inclined to believe they threw the babies on top of the Jews in that were in the gas house,gettin ready to check out. Next they’ll probably say,”see those scratch marks on the ceiling here in the gas house? Those were made by little babies trying to claw their way out,while they’re being gassed”.

                  Comment by Tim — August 27, 2016 @ 3:39 pm

                • This guy in the link who goes on speaking tours to horrify everyone is so full of crap he can’t even get the story right about WHO liberated him form this supposed horror show. He said the Americans, it was the Russians. Ten years LATER the Americans could come into Auschwitz. This Guy story so filled with nonsense it is hard to begin but I don’t believe most of what he said. Its like he embellished a lot of other people’s tales of nonsense into his story. Babies were BORN in Auschwitz, 3000 in the latest account when the recent Pope visited Auschwitz That was the story said by the nurses that were at Auschwitz. Why would they let these kids to be born if it was the intention to just kill them? His story contradicts real FACTS. These liars need to be put in jail or God needs to strike them dead for being liars…
                  What bothers me these smucks get to go into the schools to spread this holohoax crap to the kids. To me it’s child abuse….

                  Comment by rizolitv — August 27, 2016 @ 4:32 pm

                • You wrote: ” Babies were BORN in Auschwitz, 3000 in the latest account when the recent Pope visited Auschwitz That was the story said by the nurses that were at Auschwitz.”

                  I wrote about the babies born in the camps on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/pregnant-at-auschwitz-the-story-of-miriam-rosenthal/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 27, 2016 @ 5:33 pm

                • Is that the one about the newborns in the pic with the proud new mothers?

                  Comment by Tim — August 28, 2016 @ 6:58 am

                • The big man upstairs is gonna be waiting on an explanation when he sits in judgement of them on their final day.
                  He’s not too concerned about their lying,but he’s gonna want a damn good explanation as to why they think they don’t need to accept his son as their savior . I think by now he’s realized one thing,”I f–led up calling the Jews my chosen ones”.
                  FG had a picture on her website here one time. It was a picture of 4 newborns. Their momas holding the babies,with a big ass ,”I’m a proud mother of a new baby”. I don’t see where the mothers looked like they were abused. The babies looked like they were fast asleep in momas as.
                  Now if I just gave birth to a new rugrat,and I knew the lil shit was getting ready to be murdered,I sure as shit,ain’t gonna be able to put on a smile.
                  I look at it like this. Even if they did murder all the folks they said they did,murdering a new born I don’t think is gonna be easy for anyone to do (okay. If you’re Charlie Manson or one of his followers,different story).
                  Here’s another one that gets me. You had women working at these prisons. Wether a woman is American,Asian or in this case,German,women have the mothering instinct in them. They’ll protect a child,no matter what race the kid is.

                  Comment by Tim — August 28, 2016 @ 6:56 am

                • This despicable old shyster – Philip Reitmann – has the brass-neck audacity to feed the following story to young people in Canada;-

                  “-After 6 months in the camp Reitman found an old class mate who was in the camps because he was a Baptist.
                  -The boy recognized Reitman and called out to him.
                  -The Nazis had wanted his family’s cattle but the boy’s father would not give it to them. He was shot.
                  -His mother attacked the Nazis and she was hung in the town center.
                  -His sisters were cut and raped and shot in the heart.
                  -His little brother was chased into the woods and shot.
                  -The boy joined Reitman’s work group on a farm and was instantly hated by the Nazis.
                  -One day he was stripped and put into a water trough. The Nazis took steel wool and tried to take his freckles off.
                  -The boy died in the trough which was full of his own blood.
                  -Reitman and the others had to take the boy back to camp to be burned.
                  -He was Reitman’s best friend.”

                  Note; that he does not mention his “best friend’s” name, which is quite a common feature in holohoax tales – the story-tellers tend to avoid names of family members, friends, or fellow inmates in the ghettos and camps, because of course somebody’s name can be traced to ascertain if they actually existed, or that they were actually in the location at the very same time. Often, we find that if another name is mentioned – then that person is invariably, and conveniently, dead, so that there is no danger that he or she might pop-up unexpectedly and started recounting a different tale to that being propounded by the heroic story-teller “survivor”.

                  But Reitmann’s account is full of the standard holohoax ingredients that have been repeated time-and-time again over the years. In addition to the absence of other people’s names I can find at least seven other “facts” that have either been stories cribbed from other “survivor’s” accounts, or they are straight out of a prepared script issued by the holocaust industry itself;-

                  1) The “survivor” is silent for over 40 or 50 years, and then feels an overwhelming need to burst out into the public domain with their harrowing story.
                  2) A Nazi guard ripping a baby from its mother’s arms, and smashing its head on the ground/railway waggon/crematorium wall.
                  3) The mother’s screams are then silenced by a bullet through the head/bayonet in the womb/slaked lime stuffed into the mouth.
                  4) The inmate is issued with a “poop bowl” that is used for eating as well as defecating in.
                  5) They are forced to eat boiled grass and leaves, as well as soup or coffee garnished with rats and frogs.
                  6) They are nearly always involved in dragging/carrying corpses to the crematoria or the mass pits of burning bodies.
                  7) The earth covering the bodies in the burial pits is often still moving ( and sometimes the blood spurts out in geysers ).

                  Comment by Talbot — August 30, 2016 @ 9:27 am

                • You wrote: “This despicable old shyster – Philip Reitmann”
                  I wrote about Philip Reitmann on my website, many years ago:
                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/PhilipRiteman.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 30, 2016 @ 9:33 am

                • FG. Saw a movie one time. A character in the movie said,”shyster” refers to a Jew lawyer. Is that true. What are the origins of the word shyster. It doesn’t have its roots in “Shylocks” name from,” The Merchant of Venice” does it?

                  I still find it ironic that a lot of people are mislead to believe that,hate for the Jews ,started with the nazis. Shakespeare wasn’t exactly giving a loving attitude towards the Jews when he came up with the character Shylock.
                  He made Shylock look like the prick from hell. He even wrote it to where the Jews greed,bit him square in the ass at the trial in the book. So dislike of the Jews,came a hell of a long time before the nazis.

                  Comment by Tim — August 30, 2016 @ 12:07 pm

                • You wrote: “Saw a movie one time. A character in the movie said,”shyster” refers to a Jew lawyer.”

                  I believe that the statement by this movie character is correct. I wrote about the Jews, being hated, in several blog posts:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/why-jews-are-hated/

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/10/11/general-patton-and-his-attitude-toward-the-jews/

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/was-general-patton-an-anti-semite-yes-the-worst-jerry-the-worst/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 30, 2016 @ 12:31 pm

                • Actually it speaks to what’s ,”really” in his heart. Think about it. Would any human,that has reguard for how precious human life is,really entertain such horrific thoughts in their mind?

                  I know some people will say the nazis probably thought that way,but I just can’t accept that even if everything about the holo is true,they could do that to a defenseless infant.

                  If this fool said they put a gun to the babies heads,I might find that acceptable,but being over dramatic and saying their heads were bashed on the door of a rail car. I don’t even think that shithead demon “Pazuzu” from the Exorcist movie could do that.

                  I’m surprised he didn’t say,”they also tied the babies to the rails when they knew a train was inbound”.

                  Like I said,what kind of a person is this asshole,to be able to come up with f–led up shit like this. I’m not a 100% sure here,but I don’t even think The Klan would do something like this.

                  Comment by Tim — August 30, 2016 @ 11:54 am

          • The following testimonies appear in FG’s scrapbook “Dachau Crematories” webpage;-

            “Unlike Auschwitz, where the Gas Chamber and the Crematorium were demolished by the retreating SS, the destruction of this horrifying evidence at Dachau by a time bomb was prevented when doughboys discovered and severed the wire which would have set off the charge. In addition, the entire building was a maze of booby-traps.” Sergeant Scott Corbett, reporter for the Rainbow Reveille, 42nd Division newspaper.”

            Are you telling us porky-pies – Scotty, me old buddy. I don’t believe that the Germans left any booby-trap bombs around the crematorium at Dachau, simply because there was nothing sinister or incriminating to hide there. You should really have stuck to your job in the transporter room, where you “beam people up”. In fact, you could have done us all a favour and beamed yourself up to somewhere-or-other.

            We move on to “Time Magazine” Correspondent Sidney Olsen, who wrote the following in his description of the new crematorium in an article published on May 7, 1945:

            “In the crematory were two large furnaces. Before the two furnaces were hooks and pulleys on rafters above them. Here, according to a number of Frenchmen, the SS men often hanged prisoners by the necks or by the thumbs or whatever their fancy dictated. From here the victims could watch while being whipped and tortured as their comrades were slid into the furnace.”

            You’re a media marvel, Sidney – in true journalistic fashion you fabricate your stories without providing the readers with the names of your witnesses or any corroboration from a reliable source. You just refer to “a number of Frenchmen – Brilliant !. And I do luv your phrase “whatever their fancy dictated” – is this a clear invitation to your avid readers to use their wild imaginations to conjure-up all kinds of gruesome tortures involving suspension from above. Well done Sidney – your editors at Time Magazine would have been proud of you.

            Lastly, we come to a character named Dr. Francizek Blaha – a prisoner, who worked at the Dachau crematorium, performing autopsies. The following quote is from the affidavit of Dr. Blaha, given to American interrogators on 3 May 1945, and presented at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal in November 1945:

            Sometimes prisoners were killed only because they had dysentery or vomited and gave the nurses too much trouble. Mental patients were liquidated by being led to the gas chamber and injected there or shot. Shooting was a common method of execution. Prisoners could be shot just outside the crematorium and carried in. I have seen people pushed into the ovens while they were still breathing and making sounds, although if they were too much alive they were usually hit on the head first.

            Now listen here, Doctor Francis, you really must try and stick to the truth and stop exaggerating your horror stories. Why would mental patients be “led to the gas chamber and injected there or shot” – wouldn’t they have been gassed? And why would shooting be “a common method of execution”, when you’ve got a jolly old gas chamber to do the job effortlessly and efficiently in bulk numbers? You also saw people pushed into the ovens while they were still alive; but those who were “too much alive” were hit over the head first. But who carried out the head-hitting business – was it the SS or the crematorium workers. And what implement did they use? I think we can sum up your testimony, Doctor Blaha, by describing it as nothing more than blah, blah, blah – ha, ha, ha !

            Comment by Talbot — August 29, 2016 @ 9:11 am

  4. Some people actually have said that they saw people thrown into the ovens alive….pretty funny!
    It sure must of been an interesting happening to say the least.
    I heard one woman say about how the Jews were gassed in the ovens….again these are people that have no clue on what what what.
    Bottom line when people can’t even get the means on how people were cremated straight then what else can they say that is even close to being right.

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — August 26, 2016 @ 2:20 pm

    • You wrote: “I heard one woman say about how the Jews were gassed in the ovens….again these are people that have no clue on what what what.”

      This woman probably thought that the Jews were killed in gas ovens, instead of being gassed in ovens that used coal to burn the bodies. People used to commit suicide by sticking their head in an oven that used gas for heating.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 27, 2016 @ 7:08 am

      • Bad part about the gas oven. It’s not a air tight environment,therefore it’s not a fool proof method.
        That was always the way I looked at that one. Running a hose from tailpipe of the car into the inside of the car,would be much more effective.
        The “head in the gas oven” trick,sounds like that person would be that one that thinks,” the razor across the wrist”,is an effective way to off yourself. Too easy to save someone that way.
        Run the razor up the lower arm on the inside. It’s gonna open an artery wide open. Bleed out in a couple minutes.
        The people that think the ovens were how Jews were killed,know even less about the holo,than I do. I guarantee jews love those folks. They (Jews) can spoon feed those folks anything about the holo,and they’ll believe it.
        This is ( holo) a topic for Jews to minipulate the piss out of,if people don’t try to get the facts for themselves. Kinda like the Jews are snake oil salesmen.
        It’s like I don’t understand why we’re so damned concerned with Israel . People say they’re the only friends we’ve got in that neck of the woods.
        If that’s the case,I don’t see where they’ve done shit to help us out over there. They can’t even keep their own backyard clean

        Comment by Tim — August 27, 2016 @ 7:32 am


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