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September 3, 2016

The T4 program is back in the news

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, Uncategorized — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 3:31 pm
My photo of Hartheim Castle

My photo of the Hartheim Castle where the T4 program took place

You can read about the T4 program in this recent news article:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/education/story/t4-program-holocoaust-nazi-germany/1/753935.html

The following quote is from the news article:

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On September 1, 1939, Nazi Germany leader, Adolf Hitler signed an order approving the T4 Program or popularly known as the T4 Euthanasia Program. This program was structured to kill anyone in Germany who were [was] mentally disabled, emotionally distressed or elderly people or in other words, people who could not contribute to the fighting or working force of the country.

The photo below is concluded in the article.

A poster comparing living-costs of a "healthy family" with a person suffering from an incurable disease

A poster comparing living-costs of a “healthy family” with a person suffering from an incurable disease

The news article continues with this quote:

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The program was signed on the same day when Germany declared war on Poland. Hence, calling it a war-time measure. Within Germany, posters were being circulated explaining the need to kill the incurable. The new directives allowed physicians to grant “mercy killing” to the people were suffering from incurable diseases. Though the Nazi officials were calling it euthanasia, they were targeting people not only with genetic defects or incurable diseases but also people who were not contributing to the economic growth of the country.

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Several years ago, I visited Hartheim Castle, where the “mercy killing” took place. I wrote about it on my website at

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/gaschamber01a.html

You can see photos of the gas chamber at Hartheim Castle on my web page cited above.

I previously blogged about Hartheim Castle at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/the-crematorium-at-hartheim-castle/

You can see photos of the “technical room” in the gas chamber at Hartheim on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/gaschamber07a.html

You can read more about Hartheim Castcle and the alleged gas chamber there on this section of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/index.html

The news article continues with this quote:

How did the T4 program lead to the Holocaust?

The T4 Program, named after the Chancellery offices that directed it from the Berlin address Tiergartenstrasse-4, set a strong precedence for the Holocaust. The mass deportation of people to killing centers was a viable blueprint for the establishment of gas chambers such as Auschwitz. The notion that incurable people were economically “burdensome” was being applied on Jews as well, making them equally vulnerable to the order.

How many people were killed under the T4 Program?

Officially, the T4 Program was put to rest in 1941 with at least 70,000 deaths in two years under its credit, but a lot of evidence indicated that the killings were just kept away from public eyes. The unofficial count by the end of the World War 2 in 1945 was estimated at around 2,00,000 deaths. A lot of instances showed that the T4 Program and Holocaust were taking place simultaneously.

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After visiting Hartheim Castle for two days, I came to the conclusion that no one was gassed there. Deformed and mentally ill people were put to death at Hartheim, by injections, not in a gas chamber. These unfortunate people were unable to walk into a gas chamber.

You can see more of my photos of the interior of Hartheim castle on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/gaschamber02.html

 

 

 

7 Comments »

  1. They seem to use prepositions very differently in India Today than we do in the US and UK.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — September 4, 2016 @ 8:13 am

  2. In your Blog abut the crematorium at Hartheim Castle, you say that there was just one oven that was located in a room with a vaulted ceiling just at the end of the corridor from the alleged “gas chamber”. The accompanying photo shows a light shining down upon the spot where the oven stood.

    But how did the smoke and fumes from the oven escape into the atmosphere, because there doesn’t seem to be the remains of an aperture in the ceiling for a pipe or duct. But there would have to be some kind of exit flue, otherwise the cremation room would quickly become overwhelmed with stench and fumes. So are the Hartheim authorities claiming that the and installers of the cremation oven rigged up some kind of ramshackle pipe that went horizontal across the room, and out through one of the windows.

    And there is another problem with this single oven: it cannot alone have dealt with anywhere near the number of bodies that are alleged to have been gassed there in the 16 month period that the euthanasia program was under way. Wikipedia claims;- “A total of 18,269 were killed in the gas chamber at the Hartheim Euthanasia Centre in the period of 16 months between May 1940 and 1st September 1941.”

    But the problem is, that even if you are operating the oven 24/7 continuously over the stipulated 70 week period ( which would be totally impossible anyway ), then you can only cremate 11,760 bodies maximum.

    So Hartheim has got a bit of explaining to do here !

    Comment by Talbot — September 3, 2016 @ 9:20 pm

    • Nizkor claims:

      “At least two crematoria, one located in a room on the east side of the courtyard and one in the courtyard itself, were available for burning the corpses.”

      http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/places/germany/brandenburg/brandenburg-001.html

      H.E.A.R.T. claims:

      “there is some evidence that there were two ovens instead of one in the crematory”
      http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/euthan/dameron.html

      This site, http://tiergartenstrasse4.org/index.php?search=hartheim, says that the oven(s) was a “Coke fired single muffle permanent brick built oven” at Hartheim.

      Wikipedia gives a monthly tally of “gassed” persons at Hartheim and the month 8/40 is the largest number with 1740 alleged killed by gassing. Cremating 1740 corpses in 31 days would be an average of over 56 cremations a day. That strikes me as a bit high.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartheim_Euthanasia_Centre

      Furtherglory’s picture of where the alleged cremation oven was shows a square tube in the ceiling. I’m guessing that would be the “exit flue”:

      Everything I come across says, such as that picture on the HEART link above, claims that the crematory belched smoke and stank. A cremation typically does neither. Even early cremation ovens of the late 19th century remarked upon the fact that there is no smoke or smell from cremating corpses.

      So the numbers claimed and the alleged smoke and smell from cremation sound fishy to me in this story.

      Comment by blake121666 — September 3, 2016 @ 11:07 pm

      • You might be correct there, Blake – the vent was where the spotlight now shines directly downward. I can’t make out any electric wiring leading across the ceiling to the spotlight, which suggests there could be a hole of some dimension that leads upwards out of the room, but we can’t be certain about that, because the electrician may have artfully hidden the wiring within the recess of the vault – which is out of sight from the visiting public behind the rail.

        I note some of the websites claim there was a second cremation oven located outside in the courtyard. It would appear, therefore, that the proponents of the Hartheim cremation process have realised that there was a problem with the numbers, and decided to shrewdly add a second oven outdoors to help the official narrative along!

        But that room in the photo image does look terribly cramped, claustrophobic, and poorly ventilated for a cremation oven that was working to full capacity day after day. And one has to consider the available space for carrying and lifting the bodies into position; plus the introduction of the coking-coal fuel.

        Comment by Talbot — September 4, 2016 @ 8:23 am

        • You wrote: “I note some of the websites claim there was a second cremation oven located outside in the courtyard.”

          I have photos of the couryard on my website at

          http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/Tour03.html

          Note that the courtyard was in the center of the castle building. A door from the oven location entered the courtyard a few feet from the oven.

          There would definitely not have been a cremation oven in the center of the courtyard because that is where the inmates gathered to socialize, as much as retarded people could socialize.

          Comment by furtherglory — September 4, 2016 @ 8:47 am

          • I think that most people assume that Hartheim Castle is hidden away somewhere and that most people were not aware of its existence. I have a page on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/Tour02.html which shows that the Castle is in the small town of Alkoven. Everyone in the neighborhood could see people coming and going. This was definitely not a good location for a gas chamber.

            Comment by furtherglory — September 4, 2016 @ 9:03 am

            • When everything is considered, it becomes quite clear that what we are being presented with at Hartheim is a desperate attempt to fabricate a mass killing operation involving gas chambers and a body disposal system.

              Hartheim today is nothing more than a stage-set, that has been created out of people’s wild imaginations. I’ve no doubt this came about because of the series of trials at the IMT, whereby the T-4 program and its personnel were prosecuted in the full glare of the world’s media. Stories of gas chambers, mass killings, and crematoria furnaces were swirling around the courtrooms and newspaper editorial rooms like smoke and flames belching forth from out of a terrifying chimney stack!. Most people believed it all at the time, and because the name Hartheim was so prominent in the proceedings, then it became necessary to convert the castle into an edifice that supported the official narrative.

              No one is disputing that there was an (unlawful/ unethical?) euthanasia program carried out on severely mentally and physically disabled folk at Hartheim – but I suspect it involved lethal injections, and not gassings. And whether there really was a crematoria located there – its difficult to say. It could be that some of the bodies were taken to local civilian cemeteries for burial, or public crematoria further afield – we just don’t know. And until the full names, ages and former home or hospital addresses of the victims are published, then we shouldn’t accept this enormous figure of over 18,000 at face value.

              Comment by Talbot — September 4, 2016 @ 10:16 am


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