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September 20, 2016

Precious dolls that were taken from Jewish girls who were destined for the gas chamber

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 9:46 am

You can read the story of the dolls that were saved from the Holocaust in this news story: http://www.aol.com/article/2016/09/20/these-dolls-were-taken-from-two-girls-destined-for-auschwitz/21475559/

The following quote is from the news article, cited above:

Begin quote

In February of 1944, two young Jewish girls were removed from their school near Dijon, France and deported [directly] to Auschwitz.

While taking sisters Denise and Micheline Lévy, authorities grabbed the dolls the children carried and tossed them to the ground.

A shop owner held onto the discarded toys, but the girls never returned from the concentration camp, reports The Telegraph.

The dolls had since been in the family of Frédérique Gilles, who recently decided they deserved a more fitting home.

On Sunday, they were donated to the Shoah Memorial in Paris.

End quote

Were these girls sent directly from their homes to Auschwitz? Or were they first sent to a transit camp and then sent to Auschwitz?

The first transport to be sent to the east, from the Theresienstadt ghetto, consisted of 2,000 Jews who were sent to Riga on January 9, 1942 from the Bohusovice station. According to Holocaust historian Martin Gilbert, all 2,000 were taken to the nearby Rumbuli forest where they were shot.

The most horrible aspect of this is that the Jewish “self-government” in the Theresienstadt camp was initially in charge of selecting the people for the transports, although they did not know what their fate would be at that time. Unwittingly, they sent the young able-bodied Jews to their deaths, thinking that they were sending workers to labor camps in the east.

 

 

28 Comments »

  1. FG, just out of curiosity, I checked Wolf’s FB page. He is still posting so I guess he is still doing OK.

    Comment by Jeff K. — September 21, 2016 @ 1:21 pm

  2. No, as you well know now, they WERE sending the young, able-bodied Jews to labor camps in the east.

    Aside from the question of the dolls’ actual provenance, I wondered if the deported Jewish children nonetheless survived, and emigrated to America or Israel? Odds are, they did.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — September 20, 2016 @ 12:04 pm

    • “No, as you well know now, they WERE sending the young, able-bodied Jews to labor camps in the east.”

      Where?

      “Aside from the question of the dolls’ actual provenance, I wondered if the deported Jewish children nonetheless survived, and emigrated to America or Israel? Odds are, they did.”

      Odds are, they didn’t.

      Unless, of course, you have some sort of proof otherwise…..

      Comment by Jeff K. — September 21, 2016 @ 9:57 am

  3. More Horror Disneyland stories my question is about the 2000 that were shot where are they buried? How can you prove it more bologna to make something look like it happen. The 2000 that were shot had to be buried somewhere and they have to have bullets in the heads or somewhere else but again no trace of the bodies so did it even happen I doubt it.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — September 20, 2016 @ 11:40 am

    • Its claimed that these 2,000 deportees from Theresienstadt were taken all the way – 1,300 kilometres – to the Rumbulla Forest just outside Riga in Latvia. Why the Nazis wanted to take them that enormous distance just to kill them all is difficult to fathom. If they wanted to massacre these folk, then why not do it in the woods a mile-or-so just south of the Theresienstadt Ghetto itself – near an existing large cemetery, which had a fully functioning crematoria.

      The Rumbulla Forest sounds remote and sinister, but a quick glance on Google Earth shows that the “forest” consists of a narrow strip of scrubby heathland – no more than 500 metres wide – between a parallel main road and a major railway line, and right on the outskirts of the sprawling city of Riga. That’s a strange location for a massacre site, because not only were the 2,000 from Therensienstadt massacred there, but up to 25,000 Latvian Jews from the Riga Ghetto who it is alleged were brought to the site in two batches during late-November and December 1941.

      The story goes, that after the shootings, the bodies were buried in six huge pits and left there to rot for well over a year before they were all dug up again and somehow burnt in their entirety so that they vanished forever. The details of how and when this was done is very sketchy indeed, and so it is up to you – dear reader – to work out in your own mind how difficult it would be for anyone to cremate upwards of 27,000 half rotted, putrid bodies – all drenched in soggy earth – out in the open air, and right alongside a busy highway and railway line.

      Comment by Talbot — September 21, 2016 @ 7:08 am

      • “The Rumbulla Forest sounds remote and sinister, but a quick glance on Google Earth shows that the “forest” consists of a narrow strip of scrubby heathland – no more than 500 metres wide – between a parallel main road and a major railway line, and right on the outskirts of the sprawling city of Riga. That’s a strange location for a massacre site, because not only were the 2,000 from Therensienstadt massacred there, but up to 25,000 Latvian Jews from the Riga Ghetto who it is alleged were brought to the site in two batches during late-November and December 1941.”

        Is the assumption that Latvia is the land that time forgot?

        Did it look like that in 1941?

        Comment by Jeff K. — September 21, 2016 @ 9:52 am

        • Latvia was certainly not a forgotten land in 1941/42. It was very busily militarily while under German Occupation.

          Rumbulla sat between parallel railway line and main highway back in those years – as it still does today. There are no changes in their alignments during the intervening years. Both road and railway were major arteries linking the two main cities in Latvia – Riga and Daugavpils.

          It is interesting to note that just under 2 miles south-east of Rumbulla, the Germans were building a large concentration camp near a village called Salaspils, at exactly the same time (Nov.- Dec. 1941) as the alleged massacres at Rumbulla were taking place. I tried to find out who was going to be incarcerated there. But strangely, there is very little info. except for vague references to a “police prison” and “re-education facility”.

          Could it be, therefore, that there were no massacres at Rumbulla, but that the Riga Ghetto Jews were being transferred into this new camp which was being prepared for them at nearby Salaspils.

          Comment by Talbot — September 21, 2016 @ 10:44 am

          • “Could it be, therefore, that there were no massacres at Rumbulla, but that the Riga Ghetto Jews were being transferred into this new camp which was being prepared for them at nearby Salaspils.”

            Your point, prove these Jews were sent to this concentration camp and not murdered.

            BTW, when am I going to see you at the Skeptics Forum?

            Comment by Jeff K. — September 21, 2016 @ 11:01 am

            • The Skeptics forum……LOL I’d rather have all my teeth pulled than be on a site that 100% of them believes in the HoloHoax no questions asked! The site is made up of some pretty sick people. Mostly Jews or Jews in beliefs anyway.
              The Skeptics wound be the first ones to have you executed for being a “Holohoax Denier” and laugh about it.
              I mean really now, how could you associate with people that believe there were 120 ft high clothing piles and shoes stored at Treblinka
              not to mention 850, 000+ people that were gassed/killed with diesel gas vapos, buried, and then dug up and burned on fire grates, in a period of less than a year……and to top it all off there is NO trace of them anywhere. Unless you call a few hundred bodies here or there something to support their nonsensical claims. That sure ain’t no 850,000, actually a few million if you use the same B/S from the other 5 Reinhardt camps.

              Seriously, the Skeptics people there are dangerous.

              JR

              Comment by Jim Rizoli — September 21, 2016 @ 11:52 am

              • Then it’s a good thing you were banned for breaking the rules.

                Jim, I’m inviting Talbot over. That has nothing to do with you.

                Comment by Jeff K. — September 21, 2016 @ 11:56 am

                • Jeff…..I have a perfect right to tell people what they are in for if they go to that psychotic site.
                  I love how when I get kicked off of sites and I’ve been banned on plenty, it’s for breaking the rules….LOL How about telling the truth.
                  This site is the only one I have not been kicked off of……and this is how I post on the other sites, so what does that tell you?
                  This site is a great example of how they all should be run. Jeff, if you think those Skeptics sites are ok then you seriously have some mental issues.
                  Bottom line…..Telling the truth is a revolutionary act these days….
                  and lets not forget….
                  Truth is Hate for those that Hate the truth.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — September 21, 2016 @ 12:13 pm

                • You wrote: “This site is the only one I have not been kicked off of……and this is how I post on the other sites, so what does that tell you?”

                  That tells you that I welcome everyone who wants to express their opinion here, even when I don’t agree with what someone writes.

                  Comment by furtherglory — September 21, 2016 @ 12:35 pm

                • “Jeff…..I have a perfect right to tell people what they are in for if they go to that psychotic site.”

                  Look, I get it. You are still bitter. Stop breaking the rules and it will stop happening.

                  I love how when I get kicked off of sites and I’ve been banned on plenty,”

                  Maybe that should tell you something.

                  “it’s for breaking the rules….LOL How about telling the truth.”

                  No, it’s for breaking the rules.
                  Jim, there are other deniers that post there. They essentially spout the same BS you call the “truth.” Why haven’t they been banned?

                  “This site is the only one I have not been kicked off of……and this is how I post on the other sites, so what does that tell you?”

                  Aren’t you a member of RODOH?

                  “This site is a great example of how they all should be run. ”

                  This is a blog, Jim. Not a forum.

                  “Jeff, if you think those Skeptics sites are ok then you seriously have some mental issues.”

                  Well, I’ve been accused of having screw loose now and again.

                  “Bottom line…..Telling the truth is a revolutionary act these days….
                  and lets not forget….
                  Truth is Hate for those that Hate the truth.”

                  Jim, to be honest, you didn’t really belong there. You simply don’t know enough about the history involved.
                  Stop discouraging Talbot from joining.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — September 21, 2016 @ 12:49 pm

              • Treblinka was a TRANSIT camp. I actually went there and saw where the camp used to be. I have a whole section about Treblinka on my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Treblinka/

                Comment by furtherglory — September 21, 2016 @ 12:31 pm

                • “Treblinka was a TRANSIT camp. I actually went there and saw where the camp used to be.”

                  Transit to where? Where’s the proof?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — September 21, 2016 @ 12:51 pm

                • You wrote: “Transit to where? Where’s the proof?”

                  I have written several blog posts about Treblinka including this one:

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/the-story-of-treblinka-transit-camp-or-extermination-center/

                  Some day you might go to Treblinka and you will hear voices screaming: “Transit camp.”

                  Comment by furtherglory — September 21, 2016 @ 1:04 pm

                • “Some day you might go to Treblinka and you will hear voices screaming: “Transit camp.”

                  I doubt that.

                  Where did the Jews go, the ones you say “transited” through this camp?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — September 21, 2016 @ 1:41 pm

      • Quote….
        The story goes, that after the shootings, the bodies were buried in six huge pits and left there to rot for well over a year before they were all dug up again and somehow burnt in their entirety so that they vanished forever. The details of how and when this was done is very sketchy indeed, and so it is up to you – dear reader – to work out in your own mind how difficult it would be for anyone to cremate upwards of 27,000 half rotted, putrid bodies – all drenched in soggy earth – out in the open air, and right alongside a busy highway and railway line.
        end….

        And no one saw anything? Typical when speaking of Jews being killed the more bizarre the tale the more people will believe it.
        I love it when they pack the numbers up without any facts…..you just have to believe them because they said it.
        I reading up on the Nuremberg Trials ( Made in Russia The Holocaust by Carlos Porter) and if you want to see a lot of things that didn’t happen this is the place to go.
        There were 300,000 affidavits presented at these trials that were copies of copies, no signatures, no dates, just ridiculous lies that weren’t even challenged in court. You could of been dead and they would gladly accept it.
        There were 22 Germans put on trial and 11 executed, on pieces of worthless paper that would never be excepted in a court of law today if they were presented to the court. Yet they were accepted in that kangaroo court setting to accomplish the murder of innocent men who’s only guilt was they were Germans and lost the war.
        If you really want to take apart the Jew Holohoax lies then start with these trials and you will see how off the charts they were for justice being handed out. If they had the truth on their side then why did they lie so much.

        JR

        Comment by Jim Rizoli — September 21, 2016 @ 9:59 am

      • Talbot wrote: “Its claimed that these 2,000 deportees from Theresienstadt were taken all the way – 1,300 kilometres – to the Rumbulla Forest just outside Riga in Latvia. Why the Nazis wanted to take them that enormous distance just to kill them all is difficult to fathom. […] The Rumbulla Forest sounds remote and sinister, but a quick glance on Google Earth shows that the “forest” consists of a narrow strip of scrubby heathland – no more than 500 metres wide – between a parallel main road and a major railway line, and right on the outskirts of the sprawling city of Riga. That’s a strange location for a massacre site, because not only were the 2,000 from Therensienstadt massacred there, but up to 25,000 Latvian Jews from the Riga Ghetto who it is alleged were brought to the site in two batches during late-November and December 1941.The story goes, that after the shootings, the bodies were buried in six huge pits and left there to rot for well over a year before they were all dug up again and somehow burnt in their entirety so that they vanished forever.”

        Also a strange location because it’s quite difficult to dig holes, especially large holes, by hand in a forest. Hard not to come up against big hard roots every time you plant your shovel in the ground.

        Comment by hermie — September 21, 2016 @ 7:56 pm

        • You will all be joyful to learn that there were three survivors from the “Rumbula Massacre”. The following extract comes from the Wikipedia page about ‘SS Obergruppenfuhrer, Friederich Jeckeln’ – who it claims was in charge of the Einsatzgruppen units operating in the eastern territories. The article states;-

          ” One of the three survivors of the Rumbala massacre, Frida Michelson, escaped by pretending to be dead as the victims heaped shoes (later salvaged by Jeckeln’s men) upon her” – and then it goes on to quote her own words;-

          “A mountain of footwear was pressing down on me. My body was numb from cold and immobility. However, I was fully conscious now. The snow under me had melted from the heat of my body. … Quiet for a while. Then from the direction of the trench a child’s cry: ‘Mama! Mama! Mamaa!’. A few shots. Quiet. Killed. ”

          Now, dear old Frida has written a book entitled “I Survived Rumbula” from which this info. is sourced. There is no corroboration that what she wrote is anything like the truth; we are just left to accept at face value what she is telling us. But is it really likely that she managed to feign death by simply dropping down on the ground, and remaining silent and still while all the other thousands of victims piled their discarded foot-ware on top of her? And even if she managed to pull herself out from under the mountain of shoes after the SS had left the scene – where on earth did she go to hide from the Nazis and the local Latvian civilians and militia patrols. Then – one has to ask – how did she manage to survive the next two and a half years until the Soviets arrived in the area.

          Its all “make-believe”, of course – she read or heard somewhere about this alleged massacre at Rumbula, and decided to write her own “best-selling” novel about the event in order to make some money out of it. But you can see how the holohoaxers operate – they take her words as the divine truth, and because its all published in a popular book, then they her use her testimony as evidence to buttress their holocaust scam, by entering her words into Wikipedia as accepted fact.

          Comment by Talbot — September 22, 2016 @ 6:58 am

          • “But you can see how the holohoaxers operate – they take her words as the divine truth, and because its all published in a popular book, then they her use her testimony as evidence to buttress their holocaust scam, by entering her words into Wikipedia as accepted fact.”

            You still haven’t provided proof that the deported Jews were sent to a concentration camp.

            Do you have any information or was this just a “Talbot guess?”

            Also, when are you going to join me at the Skeptics Forum?

            Comment by Jeff K. — September 22, 2016 @ 7:25 am

            • To be honest, Jeff, I haven’t got around to exploring the forum yet, but I will in due course. But it could be, that the Sceptics Forum is not quite “my cup of tea” – because it would appear there are rules that contributors are expected to follow. Fair enough, but…

              FG’s website, on the other hand, is an open one where everybody can comment freely, without rules and regulations as to what you can or cannot say.

              So I won’t make any commitments about joining the Skeptics Forum, but I will follow the threads and read the contributions of others.

              Comment by Talbot — September 22, 2016 @ 8:08 am

              • “But it could be, that the Sceptics Forum is not quite “my cup of tea” – because it would appear there are rules that contributors are expected to follow. Fair enough, but…

                FG’s website, on the other hand, is an open one where everybody can comment freely, without rules and regulations as to what you can or cannot say.”

                It isn’t about what you can or cannot say, Talbot. The Forum protects itself by making sure that contributors don’t violate copyright laws. Also, anything that is overtly racist or sexist will get you a warning.

                However, as long as you don’t violate those rules you can say or argue what you like. You aren’t overtly racist and you are certainly not sexist.

                My invitation is a genuine one. I know I come across as snarky on occasion but the reality is I am actually very wel-mannered and polite. It doesn’t do me any good to behave in that fashion on this blog….but even Jim will acknowledge that I do not direct harsh language at him in a personal manner.

                I think it might do you some good to see evidence and view points different than what you see on this blog. Certainly reading this blog and examining HD from the inside has been a fascinating experience for me.

                Comment by Jeff K. — September 22, 2016 @ 8:41 am

              • You wrote: “FG’s website, on the other hand, is an open one where everybody can comment freely, without rules and regulations as to what you can or cannot say. ”

                I have a WEBSITE called scrapbookpages.com where readers have no way of posting a comment.

                I also have a blog, on which you are currently commenting. The word “blog” is short for “web log” which means an Internet site, where the owner of the site writes daily, or almost daily. Some blogs are not open to comments, but I allow comments on my blog.

                Comment by furtherglory — September 22, 2016 @ 10:11 am

                • Thanks for clarifying, FG – I didn’t fully understand the difference between a “website” and a “blog”.

                  Comment by Talbot — September 22, 2016 @ 10:43 am

                • You wrote: ” I didn’t fully understand the difference between a “website” and a “blog”.

                  Here is a quote from Wikipedia which explains the difference:
                  Begin quote
                  A website is a set of webpages that are joined together. People look at websites with a computer of some kind, sometimes including the computer inside mobile telephones and televisions. The websites are kept on computers called web servers.

                  There is almost always a single homepage [on a website] which has links to other pages that are part of that “site”. Sometimes it has links to pages that are part of other “sites” as well. (Note that net jargon uses the word site, which also means a physical place in the real world, to mean a web URL).

                  A home page serves as the introduction page of a website.

                  Websites can be used to advertise or sell things. They can also be used to talk to other people.

                  A blog is a website where the location of the material is less relevant than who writes it, and which is more focused on dialogue. Very often the people who use blogs dislike the word “site” since it implies a controlled place. Sites are good for looking up information on the computer.

                  A website is a set of webpages that are joined together. People look at websites with a computer of some kind, sometimes including the computer inside mobile telephones and televisions. The websites are kept on computers called web servers.

                  There is almost always a single homepage which has links to other pages that are part of that “site”. Sometimes it has links to pages that are part of other “sites” as well. (Note that net jargon uses the word site, which also means a physical place in the real world, to mean a web URL). A home page serves as the introduction page of a website.

                  Websites can be used to advertise or sell things. They can also be used to talk to other people.

                  A blog is a website where the location of the material is less relevant than who writes it, and which is more focused on dialogue. Very often the people who use blogs dislike the word “site” since it implies a controlled place. Sites are good for looking up information on the computer.
                  End quote

                  What this definition does not tell you is that a blog is a site where the owner writes something nearly every day, and readers comment on what the blogger writes.

                  Normally, one cannot comment on a website, and the material on a website does not change daily, or nearly every day.

                  Comment by furtherglory — September 22, 2016 @ 11:47 am

                • You wrote: “Thanks for clarifying”

                  I first learned the word “blog” when a man, who was writing a book, contacted me for information about Dachau. I gradually learned that he was planning to write a book in which he was going to write the story of Dachau completely wrong. I tried to tell him the true story of Dachau, but he disagreed with me. Eventually, he gave up and did not write the book. He also stopped writing his blog. I never heard from him again.

                  Comment by furtherglory — September 22, 2016 @ 12:13 pm

                • FG…You spoiled the guys life of writing lies.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — September 22, 2016 @ 12:45 pm


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