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October 2, 2016

How a 15-year-old girl was saved when gas chamber number 4 malfunctioned at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 8:33 am

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/miracle-that-saved-girl-from-auschwitz-gas-chamber/news-story/e43b559c8fbd77709547cc31eccee4f2

On the website cited above, you can read the story of how 15-year-old Yvonne Engelmann was saved when gas chamber number 4 malfunctioned at Auschwitz-Birkenau — AND SHE WAS LEFT NAKED IN THE GAS CHAMBER OVERNIGHT.

Were there other naked girls who were in the gas chamber with her, and were also saved? The news story doesn’t tell us. Maybe the other girls are all dead now, and they didn’t get a book deal.

Gas chamber number 4 building

Gas chamber # 4 building

The building, shown in the old photo above, was blown up by Jewish inmates in a camp rebellion on October 7, 1944.

The photograph of Krema IV was taken in the Summer of 1943,  just after the building became operational as a gas chamber.

The gas chamber in Krema IV, which was disguised as a shower room, was located above ground in the wing of the building which is on the left side of the photo.

Note that the roof line of the gas chamber is lower than the roof of the main part of the building. Zyklon-B poison gas pellets were allegedly thrown into the fake shower room through windows on the outside wall of the gas chamber. [a good example of German engineering]

Crematorium IV was across the road from the beautiful brick building, called “die zentrale Sauna”. [the central sauna] This building was used for disinfecting the clothing and for processing the incoming prisoners, by giving them a shower.  The movie Schindler’s List shows incoming prisoners taking a shower in the central sauna.

Crematorium IV was also near “the little white house,” where gassing operations allegedly took place, starting in June 1942, before the Crematorium IV and Sauna buildings were completed.

In the movie “Schindler’s List,” women prisoners are shown exiting from the shower room in the Sauna building; they see the high brick chimney of Crematorium IV, which is across the road from the Sauna. The gas chambers in Crematorium IV and Crematorium V were above ground, but in the movie, the prisoners are shown going down steps into an underground undressing room.

The following quote from the news article tells Yvonne Engelmann’s story:

Begin quote

“I was 14 and a half when war broke out,” Yvonne tells news.com.au.

“I wasn’t allowed to go to school, I couldn’t walk on the street, I had to wear the yellow Star of David and couldn’t mix with any non-Jewish people. Friends I’d grown up with now totally ignored me, solely because I was born a Jew.

“My father was taken to the police station many times and we never knew if he would come back. One day he returned and his front teeth had been knocked out. We lived in fear constantly — we had no idea what would happen to us in the next hour, let alone in the next day.”

Born in Czechoslovakia to shopkeeper parents, Yvonne was an only child.

“I had the most wonderful childhood that anyone could wish for, but unfortunately it was short-lived.”

In the limbo of uncertainty, things went from bad to worse. Her parent’s shop was taken away and the family was forcibly removed from their home to a cramped Jewish ghetto.

At the approach of her 15th birthday, she and her family were taken from the ghetto — along with hundreds of others — to the railway station where they were piled into dozens of cattle wagons.

“Men, women, children, screaming babies — the journey was too horrific to even describe,” she recalls.

“There was no ventilation, it was hot, an overflowing tin bucket was the only toilet … we were stripped of our humanity.”

After five long, gruelling days, Yvonne and the rest of the human cargo had arrived at their final destination: Auschwitz. The most notorious Nazi death camp in history.

End quote

The news article includes a photo of the entrance into the Auschwitz main camp, not the entrance into the Auswitz-Birkenau camp. My photo below shows the entrance into the Birkenau camp.

Gate into Birkenau camp

My photo of the gate into Birkenau

 

 

175 Comments »

  1. BTW, you missed this bit:

    “The fact she was shaved before means she was in a shower room as part of prisoners’ registration process, not in a gas chamber. @newscomauHQ https://twitter.com/paulewart7/status/782364338782740481 …”

    The Auschwitz Museum tweeted about the article.

    Comment by Jeff K. — October 7, 2016 @ 6:49 am

    • You wrote: “The Auschwitz Museum tweeted about the article.”

      I have got to get on Twitter. I am way behind the times. I did not know that a Museum could tweet.

      Comment by furtherglory — October 7, 2016 @ 8:01 am

  2. @FG:
    “What is your explanation for why so many Jews survived the Holocaust,”

    The Nazis ran out of time. Also, when a population goes from 9 million down to around 3 million it means some survived while most died.
    So, yes, in relative terms a lot survived (3 million) but most died (around 6 million).

    “and lived to an advanced age?”

    Numbers, please. That’s a Jim fallacy that I wouldn’t expect from you. I need to know how many Holocaust survivors we are talking about.

    “Why didn’t the survivors die an early death, after they were treated so badly in the camps?”

    Again, wrong argument. Of course there are going to be people that live longer. But a great many died a lot earlier than they should have. Paul Rassnier, the proto-denier, lived for 20 years after liberation. But, he died sooner than he should have due to injuries he suffered while being tortured by the Gestapo.

    Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 10:31 am

  3. Have you ever noticed­ for the holohoaxers ­that they always use ­the words “disguised ­as shower rooms”,”mad­e to look like” as th­ough the dumb Jews ne­eded to be fooled int­o getting exterminate­d. Can you see these ­dumb Jews waiting in ­line for their suppos­ed “disguised shower”­ and stopping short o­f the maximum people ­that could fit into a­ room. They would hav­e to wait outside wit­h their towels and so­ap in hand, maybe soa­p from their family m­embers a week ago, lo­l…, not hearing any­ screams of those sup­posed people dying ho­rrid deaths, then aft­er the screams stoppe­d, waited for their t­urn, asking no questi­ons to the screams or­ those previous and l­ike zombies going int­o those same rooms pe­rfectly cleaned up of­ urine, throw up, blo­od and being next for­ the next exterminati­on, not asking any qu­estions about all tho­se people being piled­ up at the back door ­and being removed…L­OL……..Total nonse­nse….You hoaxers do­ more disservice to t­ruth and history than­ you can imagine spre­ading all this bullsh­it and lies that you ­keep spewing. I have ­no respect fro any of­ you especially you J­eff. defending this b­ullshit..shame on you­….I don’t know why ­my brother waste his ­time with you idiots.­….The Bible speaks ­about “bearing false ­witness” You holohoax­ers will be answering­ to God Himself…..

    Comment by Joe Rizoli — October 4, 2016 @ 11:37 pm

    • Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 5:37 am

  4. I love the soap story…..which by the way not even the most die hard Holohuxsters believe….watch out though you might be arrested by the copy right police for reading this.
    So how do our favorite Holohuxsters feel about the soap story?
    I know don’t confuse me with the facts….LOL

    Belzec Propaganda by Carlos Mottogno

    The “Soap Factory Using Human Fat” at Belzec

    Even before the Second World War had ended, the legend of a factory established
    at Belzec for the manufacture of soap from the corpses of the allegedly
    exterminated Jews was being circulated.
    A report sent on August 30, 1942, by the Geneva Office of the Jewish
    Agency for Palestine to the US government and forwarded by the latter to the
    Holy See on September 26, 1942, contains the first germs of this legend:65
    “Liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto is taking place. Without any distinction
    all Jews, irrespective of age or sex, are being removed from the Ghetto
    in groups and shot. Their corpses are utilized for making fats and their
    bones for the manufacture of fertilizer. Corpses are even being exhumed
    for these purposes.

    These mass executions take place, not in Warsaw, but in especially prepared
    camps for the purpose, one of which is stated to be in Belzek [sic66].”
    As we saw in section 1, by 1944 the legend of a factory for human soap at
    Belzec had already started to take shape, and was disseminated in its initial
    form by A. Silberschein. In fact, the reports on Belzec mentioned above state
    that in this camp “the fat from the corpses was drained in order to – make
    soap from it” and that the Germans had set up “special factories for the production
    of soap and shoe polish from Jewish fat.”

    This juicy story then appeared in the Black Book in the following form:67
    “In another place, still in the Belzec camp, there was a soap factory.
    The Germans selected the fattest people and killed them to make their
    soap. Arthur [Israelevitch] Rosenstrauch, a bank clerk from Lvov to whom
    we owe this report, even held a bar of this ‘Jewish soap’ in his hands. The
    Gestapo bandits did not deny the existence of such a ‘factory’. When they
    wanted to scare a Jew, they said to him ‘we will make soap from you.’”

    However, the most enthusiastic storyteller and spreader of this legend of
    human was none other than Simon Wiesenthal. In 1946, he wrote an article
    entitled “RIF,” which opened with these words:68
    “In the last week of March, the Rumanian press published a unique
    piece of news: In the little Rumanian town of Folteceni, twenty boxes of
    soap were laid to rest in the Jewish cemetery with all the traditional pomp
    and circumstance of a funeral. The soap had recently been found in a former
    German army depot. The boxes were clearly labeled ‘RIF – Rein
    jüdisches Fett’ [RIF – pure Jewish fat]. The boxes were destined for the
    Waffen-SS, and on the wrappers it said with full and cynical objectivity
    that the soap had been made from Jewish bodies.”

    In reality, the acronym RIF stands for “Reichsstelle für industrielle Fettversorgung”
    (National office for industrial fat supply) and has nothing to do
    with human fat, much less Jewish fat, as was also admitted by the Jewish historian
    Yehuda Bauer in a letter dated January 9, 1991.
    Still, Simon Wiesenthal recounts profusely the fantastic story of the alleged
    manufacture of human fat:

    “Toward the end of 1942, the terrible words ‘transport for soap’ were
    uttered for the first time! It was in the Government General, and the factory
    was in Galicia, at Belsetz[sic]. In this plant, between April of 1942
    and May of 1943, 900,000 Jews had been used as raw material […]; certain
    solids [of the corpses] were separated and sent to northern Germany,
    and there, a special oil for U-boat engines was produced. The human
    bones went into the Lemberg bone mill, and there they were turned into
    fertilizer. […] What was left, the residual fat, was needed for soap production.
    In parallel with the human transports, other substances such as soda,
    kolophonium, and sand were transported as secondary raw materials. The
    Belsetz plant had a daughter company at Danzig; a portion of the intermediates
    were sent there. Belsetz was a model plant. Therefore, transports to
    this location had priority with the Ostbahn [Eastern Railroad]. The plant
    needed raw materials … and wheels turned for victory!”
    We see that before he embarked on his lucrative career as a ‘Nazi hunter,’
    Simon Wiesenthal pursued the slightly less noble activity of a catcher of lies!

    Great story…..but some hear don’t want you to read thus because you might learn the truth.

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 4, 2016 @ 4:31 pm

      • You wrote: “Tests show that Nazis used human remains to make soap”

        I have seen soap being made, although not out of “human remains”.

        On this blog post, I described how soap is made.

        https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/sing-right-out-for-grandmas-lye-soap/

        Comment by furtherglory — October 5, 2016 @ 7:52 am

      • Oy Vey!….This is why I don’t debate HoloHuxsters….you can get any knucklehead to prove anything they want to…it’s called stupidity….LOL

        Quote from link below….
        Deborah Lipstadt, a professor of modern Jewish history, similarly “rewrote history” when she confirmed in 1981: “The fact is that the Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap.”

        http://library.flawlesslogic.com/soap.htm

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — October 5, 2016 @ 12:17 pm

        • “Oy Vey!….This is why I don’t debate HoloHuxsters….you can get any knucklehead to prove anything they want to…it’s called stupidity….LOL

          Quote from link below….
          Deborah Lipstadt, a professor of modern Jewish history, similarly “rewrote history” when she confirmed in 1981: “The fact is that the Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap.”

          http://library.flawlesslogic.com/soap.htm

          Wow, 1981. That’s timely.

          It’s called “revision,” Jim. Real revision, not the crap that deniers peddle.

          Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 12:22 pm

        • Lol no Jim, it’s just that you are retarded.

          “It should be kept in mind that “the Nazis” didn’t manufacture human soap as a matter of policy. A rogue Nazi’s “accomplishments” do not tell us much about the Nazi policy in general. One can always turn the tables and accuse any “regime” of anything based on the actions of rogue elements.”

          http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/10/tests-show-that-nazis-used-human.html?m=1

          Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 1:03 pm

          • How about those transit camps…..Finally we find the missing Jews…..LOL

            Belzec Book p 109

            In October of 1942, 1,700 Jews left Belzec for Majdanek. At least 700
            Dutch Jews were moved from Sobibór to work camps, and some of them returned
            home by way of Auschwitz. The Rijksinstituut voor Oorlogsdocumentatie
            (Imperial Institute for War Documentation) in Amsterdam has in its
            archives six postcards written by Dutch Jews detained at the work camp of
            (Sobibór). One was written on May 23, 1943,352 by Elly
            Herschel, a Dutch Jewess, 18 years old, who had been deported to Sobibór on
            April 6.353 From Treblinka, at least several thousand Jews were transferred to
            other camps. The case of Minna Grossova, a Czech Jewess, is particularly
            significant; born on September 20, 1874, she was deported to Treblinka October
            19, 1942, but died on December 30, 1943, at Auschwitz. Thus, in spite
            of her 68 years of age, she was not only not ‘gassed’ at Treblinka, but was in-
            deed moved to Auschwitz, where she was duly registered; hence, she survived
            even the ‘selection’ on arrival.

            Besides the transports to the Lublin district, between May 5 and November
            28, 1942, another 36 transports of western Jews (about 35,000 additional persons)
            were deported into the eastern territories (Minsk, Raasiku, Maly Trostinec,
            Riga) without even stopping at the three alleged extermination camps at
            Belzec, Sobibór, and Treblinka.
            How are these facts to be reconciled with the theses of official historiography?
            In the preceding chapters I have shown that not only is the massacre of the
            Jews transported to Belzec not confirmed by any material or documentary
            proof, but also that the results of Polish archeological research refute it; therefore,
            we are left with only one possibility: Belzec was a transit camp – of the
            same type as Sobibór and Treblinka

            Enough said about those transit camps…..I guess we finally have an explanation of “where those Jews went who weren’t killed”

            JR

            Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 5, 2016 @ 1:23 pm

            • I encourage you to download the Belzec PDF at the Holocausthandbooks.com site
              or just search for Belzec pdf Carlo Mottogno has maps and pictures
              140 pages and easy read that exposes the HoloHuxsters who think Jews were made into soap…

              P. 109 Belzec book by Carlo Mottogno

              Conclusion

              In this study, I have described, first of all, the literary formation of the thesis,
              presently upheld by official historiography, of mass exterminations at Belzec by
              means of diesel engine exhaust gas; I have shown that it represents the
              culmination of the propaganda legends spread during the Second World War
              by professionals in atrocity propaganda like Jan Karski. I have exhaustively
              demonstrated how this version came to prevail over the other two versions –
              just as untrue – of extermination by means of electrocution and by means of
              “trains of death.” I have further shown that the two principal testimonies on
              which the extermination thesis has been tendentiously constructed – those of
              Rudolf Reder and of Kurt Gerstein – are not only in irreconcilable disagreement
              with each other over the type of engine used for the alleged murder of
              the victims (diesel for one, gasoline for the other), but even with respect to its
              very use as an instrument of murder: Whereas Gerstein attributed the death of
              the victims in the alleged gas chambers to the exhaust gases from his diesel
              engine, Reder asserted that the exhaust gases of his gasoline engine were released
              into the open air instead of into the gas chambers! The official thesis,
              based on the so-called ‘Gerstein report,’ has therefore been openly denied ever
              since the immediate postwar period.
              Once the murder method had been selected – exhaust gases from a diesel
              engine – the judiciary quickly entered the fray on the side of historiography, to
              give it its official blessing and to disseminate it worldwide through the farcical
              trial testimonies as a worthy epilogue to the black propaganda of the war
              years.

              The thesis of mass extermination at Belzec not only collapses under the
              weight of its own principal main witnesses, it also runs up against insurmountable
              material impossibilities, especially those concerning the cremation
              of the alleged victims. Polish archeological research has dealt the final
              deathblow to the official thesis: Its findings categorically disprove the possibility
              of burying 600,000 (or several hundred thousand), corpses, and the
              quantity of bodies, bones, and ashes that was discovered are absolutely incompatible
              with such an enormous massacre. Moreover, the total absence of
              archeological evidence of the alleged extermination installations completely
              refutes the conflicting testimonies that are the basis for the extermination
              claims, testimonies Tregenza has already qualified “as not reliable” (rendering
              them thus doubly unreliable). The excavations at Belzec have therefore
              contributed greatly to revealing the truth – but not the official truth!
              Now that the hypothesis of mass extermination has been ruled out, there
              remains only one alternative: Belzec was a transit camp for the transfer of
              Jews to the east.

              Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 5, 2016 @ 1:39 pm

            • John Ball Argued that Belzec was a Lumber camp… Not a transit camp.

              Sure has a lot of Bone fragments for a Transit camp as well…

              They also found ash in the ground as well… at (I believe) Sobibor (based on the context of the post they originate from).

              http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=844116&postcount=1276

              Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 2:55 pm

            • 1) Again they used Petrol… Do we honestly have to go over this again?

              Belzec: Rudolf Reder took 4 to 5 cans of petrol to the engine every day.

              Kasimierz Czerniak a Polish electrician identified the engine as a petrol engine.

              2) On the reliability of Reder

              Corroboration does exist in quite a few areas, and a smaller area to start is his claim about Gasoline. His claim is actually backed up by a Pole (not Jewish) engineer whom helped install the engine. This is pointed out by Peter White:

              “Rudolf Reder, the only known survivor of the extermination camp Belzec, carried (according to his own statement made 1944 to the Special Commission for Investigation of German Crimes, first published in Krakow 1946) 4-5 cans of petrol (kanistry benzyny) every day to the motor room of the gas chambers. There the maszyna / motor pedzony benzyna (a motor, run by petrol) was located. His testimony was supported by the Polish electrician Kasimierz Czerniak, who helped to establishing the motor room in 1942; he described a petrol motor of approximately 200 or more PS, from which exhaust fumes were led away over ground pipes (18 Nov 1945). Confusion with a diesel engine is out of the question because diesel fuel is called olej napedowy in Polish. ”

              http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_intro.html

              Rudolf Reders description of the gas chamber as well corroborates with Gerstein (who committed suicide after finishing his ‘report’).

              Gerstein: “Before us, a kind of bath establishment with, to right and left in the front, large concrete pots with geraniums, then a small stairway, and afterwards to right and to left respectively 3 halls of 5 x 5 meters [16.5 x 16.5 feet], 1.90 m [6 feet] high, with doors of wood like garages. In the wall at the bottom, not very visible in the darkness, large sliding doors of wood. On the roof, by way of a “subtle joke,” the star of David! . . . In front of the building, an inscription ‘Foundation Heckenholt . . . Heckenholt is the operator the diesel engine . . .”

              Rudolf Reder: “The door to the building was approached by three steps a metre wide without railings. In front stood a large flower-pot filled with plants. There was an inscription in large letters on the front: ‘Bade und Inhalationsräume’. The steps led to a completely empty and unlit corridor, just four cement walls. It was very long, though only about a metre and a half [5 feet] wide. On both sides of the corridor were doors to the gas chambers. These were sliding doors made of wood, with wooden handles. The gas chambers had no windows . . . Both the corridor and the gas chambers were not more than 2 metres [6.5 feet] high. On a wall opposite the entrance to each gas chamber were more sliding doors 2 metres [6.5 feet] wide. Through these the corpses of the gassed were thrown outside.”

              https://hdot.org/debunking-denial/gr5-corroboration/#_ednref7

              Yes I do understand some issues of in his testimony exists. The following which is pointed out by Mattogno:

              “Gerstein moreover attributes the death of the victims in the alleged gas chambers to Diesel exhaust gas, while Reder asserts that the exhaust gases of his gasoline engine were vented not into the gas chambers, but into the open air!”

              Erich Bauer though creates a plausible explanation for this issue.

              “The chambers were permanently connected to the engine; the way it worked was that if a wooden plug was pulled out, the fumes went outside; if the plug was pushed into the pipe, the fumes went into the chamber.”

              http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/topic/1231#.V_K_3_ArLIU

              In which Rudolf Reder most likely failed to convey his message or had misunderstood the chambers operation.

              Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 3:01 pm

              • Undoubtedly Jim will continue to obsess over electricity and diesel fumes.

                Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 3:07 pm

                • Lol He doesn’t have any better arguments. I am waiting for the red corpse argument… He will get a big hit in the face on that.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 3:09 pm

                • Careful, if pushed he will undoubtedly copy and paste EVERY SINGLE PAGE of whatever crap book he is currently reading.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 3:11 pm

                • LOL My comments from the books I read are sure better than the Grimms fairy tale books you guys read…

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 5, 2016 @ 3:16 pm

                • If he does then he only proves my point even more that he is a whiny dumb ass who breaks copyright laws. He isn’t allowed to post large excerpts like that.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 3:22 pm

                • Great video!

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 5, 2016 @ 3:24 pm

                • e.e Waste of time… I don’t care about Hollywood. Most people understand the difference between real life and a movie Jim.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 3:27 pm

                • “World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler’s opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly.”

                  – Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

                  https://books.google.com/books?id=9OfrTvu7CNYC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=World+peace+is+certainly+an+ideal+worth+striving+for;+in+Hitler%27s+opinion+it+will+be+realizable+only+when+one+power,+the+racially+best+one,+has+attained+complete+and+uncontested+supremacy.+That+can+then+provide+a+sort+of+world+police,+seeing+to+it+at+the+same+time+that+the+most+valuable+race+is+guaranteed+the+necessary+living+space.+And+if+no+other+way+is+open+to+them,+the+lower+races+will+have+to+restrict+themselves+accordingly.&source=bl&ots=kGyllD8E8F&sig=spQ3uxjxkh-rQfyZCOdqhUlRcyQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjL26Sv28TPAhWEqx4KHdNqDvIQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 3:31 pm

                • This one is good on David Irving

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 5, 2016 @ 3:33 pm

                • “If he does then he only proves my point even more that he is a whiny dumb ass who breaks copyright laws. He isn’t allowed to post large excerpts like that.”

                  I don’t think the denier authors mind. Let’s face it, they give their books away for free, Jim’s good publicity for them.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 3:36 pm

                • The Authors opinions change the law just as much as their death does. No matter what the content is still copyrighted for 70 years, which means during that period one should only quote excerpts. Do you think Paul Rassinier cared that Jim quoted entire chapters from his book as a Gish Gallop at Skeptic? No cause he is dead, but by law as Phyrro has even said the material is still copyrighted.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 3:41 pm

                • Jeff….Really now…You expect us to respect two knuckleheads that honestly believe the Jews were made into soap from the camp soap factories…..
                  All reasonable HoloHuxsters would have issues with that one I would think.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 5, 2016 @ 3:14 pm

                • “Jeff….Really now…You expect us to respect two knuckleheads that honestly believe the Jews were made into soap from the camp soap factories…..
                  All reasonable HoloHuxsters would have issues with that one I would think.”

                  Uh, what? When have I ever said Jews were made into soap from “camp soap factories?”

                  The most that can be said about “Jewish soap” is that it was done on a limited, experimental basis. Anything else is based upon widespread rumors that the Nazis were “turning Jews into soap.”

                  But because of your piss-poor understanding of the time period you continue to obsess (like most deniers) over debunked rumors that were cleared up years ago.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 3:30 pm

                • 😄 Jims fucking going retarded again and creating strawmen.

                  “Jeff….Really now…You expect us to respect two knuckleheads that honestly believe the Jews were made into soap from the camp soap factories…..”

                  We never said it was industrial made, nor did we say it was made of Jews.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 3:26 pm

                • “XD Jims fucking going retarded again and creating strawmen.

                  “Jeff….Really now…You expect us to respect two knuckleheads that honestly believe the Jews were made into soap from the camp soap factories…..”

                  We never said it was industrial made, nor did we say it was made of Jews.”

                  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

                  I couldn’t have said it better myself!!!!

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 3:31 pm

                • Alex Grobman said it was made by rouge members of the camp system, and was most likely made from Soviet POW’s.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 3:34 pm

                • You wrote: “…it was made by rouge members of the camp system, and was most likely made from Soviet POW’s.”

                  Rouge is French for red, and it used to mean a red powder that women put on their faces. Who were the “rouge members of the camp system?

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 5, 2016 @ 4:27 pm

                • Switch the g out for the u.

                  Rogue, now was that so hard?

                  Members of the Danzig Anatomical Institute made soap some human soap, but not on an industrial scale.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 4:39 pm

                • You wrote: “now was that so hard?”

                  Would it have killed you to check what you wrote before you put it up in a comment?

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 5, 2016 @ 4:54 pm

                • You requested that I check what I type before posting it. That is a reasonable request and I will try to do it in the future.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 8:05 pm

                • You wrote: “Danzig Anatomical Institute made soap some human soap,”

                  I wrote a blog post about how soap is made. I don’t think that the Nazis made soap out of the Jews. Who would use Jew soap? NO ONE!

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 5, 2016 @ 5:01 pm

                • Well we get to see our journalists true colors… It should just be human soap in general, I also stated to Jim that it’s most likely made from Soviet POWs… But I guess everything has to be about the Jews…

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 5:20 pm

                • Bringing up videos Jim reminded me of this one.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 3:35 pm

  5. From Carlos Mottogno’s book Belzec…..which by the way I’m reading now…..
    Don’t read if you’re afraid of the copyright police arresting you….

    Judged in the light of what we know today, the two reports are contradictory
    and contain inconsistencies. Reder, for example, spoke of 3 million
    victims and gave false dimensions regarding the mass graves and the
    camp. He stated that Rumanians and Norwegians had been involved in the
    exterminations, which is incorrect, and he mentions an undocumented visit
    to Belzec by Himmler. Hirszman, too, exaggerated the number of victims,
    speaking of 800,000 victims between October and December of 1942; he
    spoke of roll calls, which Reder, for his part, discounted; he spoke of children
    being thrown into the gas chambers over the heads of the women,
    which is improbable considering the height of the ceiling in the chambers.
    Further information regarding Belzec is limited to the frequently mentioned
    report of the SS officer Kurt Gerstein, the ‘Gerstein Report.’ […]
    Based on the current state of our research, we must also designate Gerstein’s
    material on Belzec as questionable, even belonging to the realm of
    fantasy in some places. He gave erroneous dimensions for the mass graves,
    the number of guards he mentioned is too high, he assigned twenty to
    twenty-five million victims to Belzec and Treblinka, he described the camp
    commander Wirth as ‘a frail and small man from Swabia’ (in reality, Wirth
    was tall and broad-shouldered), etc. In contrast to Gerstein’s statements
    we must assume that he spent more than two days in the Belzec camp. As
    he indicated to another witness, he was present there on several occasions.
    As has been ascertained by later investigations and statements, all
    three eyewitness reports regarding the Belzec camp must be considered to
    be unreliable.”

    Nice to see the lies keep coming….twenty five million deaths…OH, VEY!

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 4, 2016 @ 3:49 pm

    • We again get a show of Jims Inability to think for himself… He again acts like a child over copyright. Which again he fails to mention that he literally copied entire chapters onto Skepticforum. What dishonesty on his part to not mentions this.

      Comment by Denying-History — October 4, 2016 @ 4:22 pm

  6. I watched your video, Jim. I left you a comment so you know I cared.

    Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 1:42 pm

  7. @Talbot:
    “Holocaust Controversies” is forced to say this;- ” To be sure, much of the information provided by Rudolf Reder is badly mistaken”.
    And yet for decades, the testimony of Rudolf Reder has been presented to the world by the holocaust proponents as one of the most compelling witnesses of exterminations at Belzec.
    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear – can’t they produce some real, or substantial, evidence for their claims of mass killings at Belzec. I’m beginning to think that it was a temporary transit camp after all.”

    How about this, Talbot:

    http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/docbelz.htm

    Right from the mouths of the SS.

    This includes the results of archeological investigations:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_5940.html

    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. It seems to me deniers have no verifiable proof that Belzec was a transit camp.

    Comment by Jeff K. — October 3, 2016 @ 8:51 pm

    • They couldn’t get it right…..

      Reder vs Gerstein
      Belzec Propaganda by Carlos Mottogno

      Thus, at the beginning of 1946, the method of murder described by Kurt
      Gerstein had officially established itself in Western jurisprudence, and the
      Polish investigators did no more than follow suit. This, however, created a
      flagrant contradiction, which the official historiography has since preferred to
      gloss over: Notwithstanding the similarities between the tales of the two fundamental witnesses, Kurt Gerstein and Rudolf Reder – the most surprising
      elements of which cannot be verified objectively they differ on a by no
      means irrelevant point: Gerstein speaks of a “Diesel Motor, whereas Reder,
      just as explicitly, of an “engine running on gasoline,” which consumed “about
      4 jerricans of gasoline per day.” Also, in his booklet of memoirs, which
      came out in 1946, he mentions an “engine functioning with gasoline” (“motorp dzony benzyn ”), which consumed “about 80 – 100 liters of gasoline per day.” Not to mention the fact that Gerstein attributes the death of the victims in the alleged gas chambers to the exhaust gases of his diesel engine, whereas Reder, on the contrary, states that the exhaust gases of his gasoline engine were vented not into the gas chambers, but into the open air!

      They say Gerstein committed suicide but I think he was killed. With all the crazy testimony he gave they had to get rid of him. Of course it would make sense that he did kill himself also because he knew everything he said was a lie and he couldn’t live with himself so decide for yourself either way he died quickly.

      JR

      Comment by jrizoli — October 3, 2016 @ 9:19 pm

    • Are you still trying to sell us the “testimonies” of these former SS men, Jeff? The world now knows that some of these guys were forced under severe duress to make all kinds of self-incriminating statements by the victors immediately after the war, and they were then put under pressure again later to conform to the official extermination dogma by the West German authorities at the series of show trials that began in the 1960’s. And those SS men who were prepared to co-operate with the prosecuting authorities were given lenient sentences.

      And as for the so-called “archaeological work – it does not resonate with me, I’m afraid. The work was entirely done by the Poles themselves ( initially under the direction of a government-appointedJudge, no less – not by a qualified, independent, competent forensic examiner ). The Poles themselves cannot be regarded as impartial in this matter. In fact, they’ve got a vested interest in finding tons and tons of human remains to convince everyone that these sites were death camps. The world required back then – as it still does today – an international and independent archaeological investigation at each of these alleged mass murder sites.

      And in future – when you are a contributing to an established thread, would you kindly add your comment in the correct order. I object to all this switching around – which you’ve done several times before. In future, I will not respond to any of your comments that don’t appear in the appropriate place.

      Comment by Talbot — October 4, 2016 @ 5:08 am

      • You wrote: “The world now knows that some of these guys [SS men] were forced under severe duress to make all kinds of self-incriminating statements by the victors immediately after the war,”

        I have written several blog posts about how the SS men were tortured, including this one:
        https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/prisoners-tortured-in-bunker-at-dachau/

        Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 7:42 am

        • I read your piece about the torture of German prisoners at Dachau, FG – and the severity of some of the treatment that was handed out there.

          So, if the American ( and we know the Brits did the same ) interrogators were using brutal tactics like these to force confessions – then its left to the imagination what kind of horrendous threats and savage tortures were applied in the Soviet and Polish dungeons to the prisoners that they held.

          It is quite clear, therefore, that these testimonies by former SS men are practically worthless as reliable evidence of what went on in places like Belzec.

          Comment by Talbot — October 4, 2016 @ 8:09 am

          • “It is quite clear, therefore, that these testimonies by former SS men are practically worthless as reliable evidence of what went on in places like Belzec.”

            Again, please provide proof that the men who supplied the testimony I gave you were tortured or otherwise mistreated in any way.

            As far as I know no SS man was tortured at the IMT regarding Belzec.

            Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 8:19 am

          • You wrote: “these testimonies by former SS men are practically worthless as reliable evidence of what went on in places like Belzec.”

            I have written several blog posts about Belzec, one of the few Holocaust sites that I never visited.

            https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/belzec/

            Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 11:49 am

      • “Are you still trying to sell us the “testimonies” of these former SS men, Jeff? The world now knows that some of these guys were forced under severe duress to make all kinds of self-incriminating statements by the victors immediately after the war, and they were then put under pressure again later to conform to the official extermination dogma by the West German authorities at the series of show trials that began in the 1960’s. And those SS men who were prepared to co-operate with the prosecuting authorities were given lenient sentences.”

        Please give proof of this assertion, specifically to the men whose testimonies are listed above.

        “And as for the so-called “archaeological work – it does not resonate with me, I’m afraid. The work was entirely done by the Poles themselves ( initially under the direction of a government-appointedJudge, no less – not by a qualified, independent, competent forensic examiner ). The Poles themselves cannot be regarded as impartial in this matter. In fact, they’ve got a vested interest in finding tons and tons of human remains to convince everyone that these sites were death camps. The world required back then – as it still does today – an international and independent archaeological investigation at each of these alleged mass murder sites.”

        Exactly who do you propose should have done those investigations back in 1945 and 1946, Talbot? Those were crimes committed on Polish soil, the Poles had and have the right, just like any sovereign nation, to investigate crimes on their soil. The Poles have the right today to investigate previous crimes committed by the Nazis on THEIR SOIL, which means that stuffy British men have no right to lecture them or anyone else on the propriety of them doing so. They are also under no obligation to you or anyone else to acknowledge whacked out theories that have no basis in reality.

        “And in future – when you are a contributing to an established thread, would you kindly add your comment in the correct order. I object to all this switching around – which you’ve done several times before. In future, I will not respond to any of your comments that don’t appear in the appropriate place.”

        Sometimes that is not possible, Talbot. The indentation becomes so severe that replying in the proper order is no longer possible, which is why I start any new comments at the top of the comments section. I acknowledge who I am replying to when this occurs.
        Now, it is possible to reply when I get an e-mail alert on posts that I’ve commented on previously, however, I hadn’t commented on this post. By the time I read you comment the indentation has already become a problem. I read many of these comments on my phone, the text becomes so stretched I can no longer read it. So, please keep that in mind when I have to reply at the top.

        Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 7:53 am

        • OK Jeff, I accept your explanation. I withdraw my critical statement about the threads.

          Comment by Talbot — October 4, 2016 @ 8:17 am

          • “OK Jeff, I accept your explanation. I withdraw my critical statement about the threads.”

            You have my apologies if what I did caused confusion.

            Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 8:22 am

          • Tal… You have to be kidding me if you believe that the Nazis put on trial were tortured… They were being tried by their fellow Nazis.

            Comment by Denying-History — October 4, 2016 @ 8:54 am

            • You wrote: “You have to be kidding me if you believe that the Nazis put on trial were tortured…”

              I wrote about this in one of my first blog posts — four years ago.

              https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/12/09/american-atrocities-in-germany-the-torture-of-accused-war-criminals-in-the-dachau-trials/

              Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 9:14 am

              • Some were in their early years… But into the 1960’s interrogations were more common, and ‘revisionism’ (aka denial) was also taken into the courts. An example is the Majdanek trial mentioned in “Blind Eye to Murder”.

                Comment by Denying-History — October 4, 2016 @ 10:09 am

                • You wrote: “An example is the Majdanek trial mentioned in “Blind Eye to Murder”.

                  I have written several blog posts about Majdanek.

                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/majdanek/

                  I have been to Majdanek. The camp is located on a main highway, where everyone passing by could see what was going on. On the back side of the camp were apartments that had balconies where the occupants could sit outside and watch everything that was going on in the camp. So, before I even entered the memorial site, I knew that this could not have been a death camp.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 10:30 am

                • No one denies this… I fail to see the big deal as the camp as a lot larger then it is now and didn’t have a ton of people around. Blind eye to murder mentions a bystander who watched the shootings during the harvest festival. This also sort of ignores that the bunkers fly roof would as as camouflage for the gassing program from late 1942 to late 1943.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 4, 2016 @ 12:39 pm

                • You wrote: “An example is the Majdanek trial mentioned in “Blind Eye to Murder”.
                  http://www.lrb.co.uk/v03/n19/noel-annan/de-nazification

                  I have not read this book, but I do know a little bit about “the Majdanek trial”.

                  Karl Otto Koch, the first Commandant of the Majdanek camp, had previously been the Commandant of Buchenwald; he was sent to Majdanek as punishment after he was arrested in Weimar for non-payment of taxes. In 1943, he was brought back to Weimar and put on trial by SS Judge Georg Konrad Morgen on charges of ordering the murder of two prisoners at Buchenwald and taking bribes from Jewish prisoners. He was convicted and executed by the Nazis before the end of the war. His wife was Ilse Koch, about whom many lies were told by the Allies after the war.

                  I also wrote about Karl Otto Koch on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/karl-otto-koch/

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 12:33 pm

                • Hermann Florstedt was the commandant of Majdanek for most of the gassing program.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 4, 2016 @ 12:41 pm

                • You wrote: “Hermann Florstedt was the commandant of Majdanek for most of the gassing program.”

                  Now I am beginning to understand why this book is so popular.

                  According to the Buchenwald Report, it was rumored that Ilse Koch was having simultaneous love affairs with Dr. Waldemar Hoven, a Waffen-SS Captain who was the chief medical doctor at Buchenwald, and Hermann Florstedt, the Deputy Commandant.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 12:56 pm

                • Blind eye to murder? As far as I am aware it’s not popular… It mostly deals with the period after the holocaust.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 4, 2016 @ 12:59 pm

                • You wrote: “It mostly deals with the period after the holocaust.”

                  What is so interesting about “the period after the Holocaust”?

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 1:04 pm

              • They were not tortured for the 1960’s trials… Your quote is selective.

                Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 3:32 pm

            • I’m not quite sure what you are getting at there, DH. Can you elaborate?

              Comment by Talbot — October 4, 2016 @ 9:17 am

        • Jeff writes;- ” The Poles have the right today to investigate previous crimes committed by the Nazis on THEIR SOIL, which means that stuffy British men have no right to lecture them or anyone else on the propriety of them doing so. They are also under no obligation to you or anyone else…”

          That’s fair enough – the Poles are quite entitled to do whatever they want on their own soil. But that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to accept their actions and claims as conclusive evidence. If the Poles are not prepared to allow for a properly constituted, independent, international body to carry out a thorough investigation of these sites, then the rest of us are perfectly within our rights to dismiss their official reports as biased and partial.

          Comment by Talbot — October 4, 2016 @ 8:28 am

          • “That’s fair enough – the Poles are quite entitled to do whatever they want on their own soil. But that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to accept their actions and claims as conclusive evidence.”

            Who is the “rest of us,” Talbot? The people commenting on this blog? Or the world at large?

            “If the Poles are not prepared to allow for a properly constituted, independent, international body to carry out a thorough investigation of these sites,”

            Again, why would they do such a thing? What on earth does “properly constituted, independent, international body” mean?
            You are treating this as if there is some sort of world wide controversy over what the Poles did.
            There isn’t. There isn’t world wide skepticism over the results, only deniers like yourself are skeptical. The only controversy that I know of is from Jewish groups who protested disturbing the mass graves.

            “then the rest of us are perfectly within our rights to dismiss their official reports as biased and partial.”

            Sure, you can. The problem is you are not offering any realistic alternative to what happened. You say (and others) that these were transit camps. What proof exists of this? No documentary proof exists of camps for foreign Jews in the USSR, no eyewitnesses ever came forward to talk about massive numbers of foreign Jews in the USSR.

            So, you can be skeptical, Talbot. That’s your right. The problem is you (and others) offer no viable alternative.

            Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 9:46 am

            • Jeff….Where the Jews went is the biggest cop out……You can’t defend the HoloHoax so you throw it upon us to prove where they went….we don’t have to prove anything. You have to prove the Holohoax happened the way they say it happened and you can’t, so the onus is on you to prove your lies…you can’t. Nice try!

              My latest video right off the press….it’s about Belzec.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — October 4, 2016 @ 1:22 pm

              • “Jeff….Where the Jews went is the biggest cop out……You can’t defend the HoloHoax so you throw it upon us to prove where they went….we don’t have to prove anything. You have to prove the Holohoax happened the way they say it happened and you can’t, so the onus is on you to prove your lies…you can’t. Nice try!”

                No, Jim. You and the other deniers offer another version of history.
                Why can’t you prove this history you espous? Could it be that you can’t? I think so.

                Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 1:32 pm

              • I watched your video, Jim. I left you a comment so you know I cared.

                Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 1:43 pm

                • There are some big problems with the Belzec story…..It’s called what lie sounds better to you.
                  Pretty funny with the electrocution story, like where was the electrical panel hooked up to create the high voltage flow?
                  Had to use some big time power here….LOL You would need all the power in the next town to make this apparatus work.
                  I’m sure the lights must of dimmed from many towns when the switch was pulled on this.
                  So lets sum it up on how millions of people were exterminated……..Treblinka, Diesel or regular gas…..Belzec electrocutions with or without water, Sorbibor trains full with people and lime on the floor to disintegrate the people, Auschwitz Zyclon B the best pest control product out there.
                  Nice to see German engineering at work. Lets not forget ZB was what they decided to use at Auschwitz after it was made known the other things didn’t work so well in the other camps…..but well enough to exterminate millions of people ….yeah right….LOL If the means to an end was to exterminate people why change? Seems like the other ridiculous things worked just fine….OH. I forgot they knew that none in their right mind would believe this nonsense so lets stick with the bug spray….LOL Yup, lets kill another million people with bug spray, no who in the right mind would question that?

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 4, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

                • “There are some big problems with the Belzec story…..It’s called what lie sounds better to you.
                  Pretty funny with the electrocution story, like where was the electrical panel hooked up to create the high voltage flow?
                  Had to use some big time power here….LOL You would need all the power in the next town to make this apparatus work.
                  I’m sure the lights must of dimmed from many towns when the switch was pulled on this.
                  So lets sum it up on how millions of people were exterminated……..Treblinka, Diesel or regular gas…..Belzec electrocutions with or without water, Sorbibor trains full with people and lime on the floor to disintegrate the people, Auschwitz Zyclon B the best pest control product out there.”

                  I honestly don’t know what to say………do you ever read anything that resembles actual history?

                  “Nice to see German engineering at work. Lets not forget ZB was what they decided to use at Auschwitz after it was made known the other things didn’t work so well in the other camps…..but well enough to exterminate millions of people ….yeah right….LOL If the means to an end was to exterminate people why change?”

                  Honestly, do you have any concept of how any of this worked? I’m not sure where to start first because I don’t think you’ll understand anything.

                  “Seems like the other ridiculous things worked just fine….OH. I forgot they knew that none in their right mind would believe this nonsense so lets stick with the bug spray….LOL Yup, lets kill another million people with bug spray, no who in the right mind would question that?”

                  Sigh. Bug spray again.
                  I’m struggling here, Jim. The things you’ve said have caused my brain to go numb.
                  I think I’ll take a break, come back when my head stops hurting.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 2:59 pm

                • Jeff….Your brain has gone numb…..at last the truth comes out why you are not understanding what really happened.
                  Good news is….. at least you have a brain, most of the Holohuxsters don’t.

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 4, 2016 @ 3:28 pm

                • “Jeff….Your brain has gone numb…..at last the truth comes out why you are not understanding what really happened.
                  Good news is….. at least you have a brain, most of the Holohuxsters don’t.”

                  No, Jim. Your ignorance is what numbed my brain.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 4:09 pm

                • You wrote: “No, Jim [Rizoli]. Your ignorance is what numbed my brain.”

                  Jim has interviewed everyone connected to the Holocaust. How does that make him “ignorant”?

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 4:17 pm

                • “Jim has interviewed everyone connected to the Holocaust.”

                  Like who????????????

                  “How does that make him “ignorant”?”

                  Because he has no clue about the time period, he believes war time rumors are fact and gets all of his knowledge from crappy books like “The Bad War.”

                  Did I miss anything?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 4:23 pm

                • You wrote: “Like who????????????”
                  Jim Rizoli has interviewed Germar Rudolf and many other famous people.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 4:33 pm

                • “You wrote: “Like who????????????”
                  Jim Rizoli has interviewed Germar Rudolf and many other famous people.”

                  What do those people know about the Holocaust? Or history?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 7:10 pm

                • I have interviewed the most famous well-known revisionist people on the Earth but I guess that’s not enough for Jeff to look at what I’m doing is being legitimate.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 4, 2016 @ 7:12 pm

                • “I have interviewed the most famous well-known revisionist people on the Earth but I guess that’s not enough for Jeff to look at what I’m doing is being legitimate.”

                  Interviewing famous deniers doesn’t make what you do legitimate, Jim. After all, those people are just deniers, they have no legitimacy.

                  You? The only thing you do is read from denier books.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 4, 2016 @ 7:20 pm

                • You wrote: “Interviewing famous deniers doesn’t make what you do legitimate, Jim. After all, those people are just deniers, they have no legitimacy.”

                  Jim interviews famous Holocaust EXPERTS. He does a great job of interviewing them.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 7:25 pm

                • “Jim interviews famous Holocaust EXPERTS. He does a great job of interviewing them.”

                  Those people are deniers. How can they be experts on the Holocaust?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 6:33 am

                • You wrote: “Those people are deniers. How can they be experts on the Holocaust?”

                  You’re right. There is only one side to the Holocaust story — the True Believer side. You must believe in the True Believer side of the story, or go to prison, in 20 countries. America is not one of those 20 countries, so I will go on believing in the “other side” of the Holocaust story.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 5, 2016 @ 8:00 am

                • “You’re right. There is only one side to the Holocaust story — the True Believer side.”

                  True Believer side? That really doesn’t make sense.
                  History is multifaceted, there is no such thing as a “True Believer.”
                  There is still a lot of debate and disagreement among real historians over many facets of the Holocaust. Just as there is debate over the origins of the First World War, the French Revolution, etc. But no real historian states that those events never occurred.
                  This is what makes deniers “deniers” and not “revisionists.” History is revised, not denied.

                  “You must believe in True Believer side of the story, or go to prison, in 20 countries.”

                  Well, these people can stop breaking the law. That would help.
                  Or, they can actually produce proof that their whacked out theories are factual. This would be revision, not denial.

                  “America is not one of those 20 countries,so I will go on believing in the “other side” of the Holocaust story.”

                  That’s what makes America great. Anyone can believe anything.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 8:41 am

                • You wrote: “There is still a lot of debate and disagreement among real historians over many facets of the Holocaust. Just as there is debate over the origins of the First World War, the French Revolution, etc. But no real historian states that those events never occurred.”

                  Is there any other event in history, that you must believe, in order to stay out of prison in 20 countries? AFAIK, the Holocaust is the only story that you must believe to stay out of prison in 20 countries. That makes the story of the Holocaust unbelieveable.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 5, 2016 @ 9:35 am

                • “Is there any other event in history, that you must believe, in order to stay out of prison in 20 countries? AFAIK, the Holocaust is the only story that you must believe to stay out of prison in 20 countries. That makes the story of the Holocaust unbelieveable.”

                  Well, Armenian Genocide Denial is against the law in Switzerland. Any complaints?

                  Your argument is untenable, saying that just because something is against the law makes it unbelievable.

                  We are talking about two different things. As near as I can determine those laws criminalize denial are more about preventing the spread of hate speech connected to National Socialism. Actual history has nothing to do with that.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 10:23 am

                • What is your explanation for why so many Holocaust survivors have lived to an advanced age?

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 5, 2016 @ 9:52 am

                • “What is your explanation for why so many Holocaust survivors have lived to an advanced age?”

                  Good genes.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 10:32 am

                • You wrote: “What do those people know about the Holocaust? Or history?”

                  Those people [who deny the Holocaust] are experts who have gone to the Holocaust sites and have studied the Holocaust claims and have found them to be false.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 4, 2016 @ 7:29 pm

                • “Those people [who deny the Holocaust] are experts who have gone to the Holocaust sites and have studied the Holocaust claims and have found them to be false.”

                  Oh. So the hundreds of other researchers and historians who did all of the above and came back with a different conclusion, what’s their deal?
                  Plus the people you mention above, the alleged “experts,” most of those people are anti-Semites or Nazi apologists. I question their objectivity.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 12:02 pm

              • 😄 give a witness who described the process you claim was the original story Jim.

                Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 5:29 am

      • BTW, Talbot, I found this on Barry the Dog. You seem to like stories about him:

        http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/04/note-on-ukar-barry-terrible-of.html?m=1

        Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 1:06 pm

        • Thanks Jeff – Barry is definitely my favourite holocaust character. He beats dear old Auschwitz sondercammondo veteran and Hollywood B-Movie actor, Dario Gabbei, hands down.

          I was particularly gratified to see that Barry featured prominently in one of the West German show trials in the 1960’s. Quote;-

          ” A significant part of the verdict of the Duesseldorf Treblinka trial is devoted to Barry. It states that Barry was brought to Treblinka at the end of 1942 or in the beginning of 1943. After Treblinka was dismantled, Barry was given to some “Dr. Stru.” (the names in German verdicts are usually abbreviated because of privacy laws). Later, Dr. Stru.’s brother took care of Barry, and the dog was killed in 1947 because of old age. ”

          Yup – Barry was a true holocaust survivor alright.

          The HC article goes on to say;-

          ” Kurt Franz himself did not deny that he had Barry, but, of course, he disputed witnesses’ testimonies. The defense argued that the stories couldn’t be true, because later, under Dr. Stru.’s supervision Barry was a good-natured dog. Prosecution summoned the famous Austrian zoologist, animal psychologist and future Nobel laureate Konrad Lorenz, whose specialty was animal aggression. He explained that Barry and Franz had a special bond, and, basically, Barry’s behavior was mirroring Franz’s own behavior. When Barry was given to another man, its behavior also changed. ”

          My goodness me, so they even summoned an animal psychologist and future Nobel prize-winner into court to present a lot of meaningless, empty psycho-babble before the learned judges. A pity that Barry wasn’t present at the proceedings, because he could have given the Austrian charlatan a great big bite on the bum.

          Comment by Talbot — October 5, 2016 @ 2:40 pm

          • “My goodness me, so they even summoned an animal psychologist and future Nobel prize-winner into court to present a lot of meaningless, empty psycho-babble before the learned judges. A pity that Barry wasn’t present at the proceedings, because he could have given the Austrian charlatan a great big bite on the bum.”

            Why is that psycho-babble, Talbot?
            After all, the gentleman obviously knew more than you or me what dogs are or not capable of.

            Any dog can be dangerous, Talbot, especially large ones.

            Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 2:50 pm

    • From One liar to another…..
      The doors of the alleged gas chambers were equipped with peepholes.
      About this, Pfannenstiel declared:
      “The peephole that existed in all the doors had quickly steamed up from
      the inside, so it was no longer possible to observe anything from the outside.”
      Gerstein, on the other hand, was luckier and could observe the inside of the
      gas chambers clearly:
      “Another 25 minutes pass. Sure enough, many are now dead. One can
      see this through the little window in which the electric light illuminates the
      chambers for a moment.”
      Pfannenstiel also disputes the dimensions of the alleged piles of clothing,
      35 to 40 m high, ‘seen’ by Gerstein, which he says were only one tenth as
      high:
      “The figures advanced by Gerstein are grossly exaggerated. In the report
      I possess there is a mention of 35 to 40 m in height. These figures are
      completely false. But even the actual pile of textiles with a height of 3 to 4
      m was terrifying enough.”
      Pfannenstiel, for obvious reasons, denied categorically the passages of the
      Gerstein report which place him a bad light. In the interrogation of June 6,
      1950, he said:
      “I know that Dr. Gerstein gives a totally different account of this gassing
      scene. His account is wrong. It is full of exaggerations. His statement
      that he believes 2,500,000 people have been dealt with in this way is a
      typical example.”
      He specifically denied ever having uttered – at least in a derogatory sense –
      the phrase Gerstein attributed to him: “like in a synagogue” with reference to
      the agonized victims of the alleged gas chambers, and most emphatically denied
      having gone to Treblinka where – according to Gerstein – he gave a talk
      praising the extermination of the Jews.

      JR

      Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 4, 2016 @ 4:08 pm

      • In his statement given to his interrogators, SS officer Mr Pfannenstiel was quietly poking fun at the concept of these gas chamber doors having peepholes built in to them. Only a complete idiot would design a door with a peephole for a sealed homicidal gas chamber, because it would be patently obvious to the designers of the facility, that the glass on the inside of any door would immediately mist over with condensation due to the rapid build-up of humidity caused by the hundreds of naked bodies crammed inside!

        Thus, within a few seconds of the door being shut and sealed, the peephole would be absolutely useless for the task it was expected to perform. Mr Pfannenstiel recognised this fact, but couldn’t laugh outright in the faces of his dim-witted interrogators, because of the perilous situation he found himself in as a potential suspect war criminal. Therefore, he made his scornful and humorous remark about the peepholes in a more subtle form.

        Comment by Talbot — October 4, 2016 @ 9:07 pm

        • Apparently, we are told that even Himmler was invited to take a little “looky” through one of these peepholes on his alleged visit to Auschwitz. But he must have been terribly disconsolate, because he wouldn’t have been able to seen anything inside – just 100% misted, foggy glass!

          Comment by Talbot — October 5, 2016 @ 5:30 am

        • Knowing the Germans for their technological prowess – I wonder if they had developed and installed a special sort of glass that de-mystified itself in the peepholes of the gas chamber doors.

          In fact, that must have been the case, because how else were the savage, depraved SS killers able to peer inside the chamber; not only to salivate and gloat wickedly over the dying agonies of the poor suffering Jews, but to ascertain the exact moment when all the victims inside were dead and they could then open the vents in the roof and raise the buckets full of half-used fumigation pellets from out of the wire-mesh columns.

          But it does seem strange to me, why anyone would even want to view the death-throes of hundreds – nay, thousands – of naked Jews in a sealed room. But I suppose people get their kicks out of all kinds of activities: some choose sport; some go into business; others take up hiking or parachuting; while the Nazis concentrated on exterminating – that’s fair enough, but why they needed peepholes to determine the precise moment when every victim would have expired, is beyond me, because surely a team of scientific and technical officers would have calculated after the very first homicidal gassing experiment, the optimum amount of time it would take for everyone inside the chamber to have to have passed on from this world.

          Comment by Talbot — October 5, 2016 @ 9:25 am

        • “In his statement given to his interrogators, SS officer Mr Pfannenstiel was quietly poking fun at the concept of these gas chamber doors having peepholes built in to them. Only a complete idiot would design a door with a peephole for a sealed homicidal gas chamber, because it would be patently obvious to the designers of the facility, that the glass on the inside of any door would immediately mist over with condensation due to the rapid build-up of humidity caused by the hundreds of naked bodies crammed inside!

          Thus, within a few seconds of the door being shut and sealed, the peephole would be absolutely useless for the task it was expected to perform. Mr Pfannenstiel recognised this fact, but couldn’t laugh outright in the faces of his dim-witted interrogators, because of the perilous situation he found himself in as a potential suspect war criminal. Therefore, he made his scornful and humorous remark about the peepholes in a more subtle form.”

          It’s cute when you make stuff up, Talbot. It’s sad when you get things wrong.

          One of the original deniers, Paul Rassnier, met with the good doctor:

          http://www.ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking2-13.html

          You’ll note that IHR is a denier site.

          In essence this is the important bit:

          “2. During the conversation, my visitor remarked that Globocnik had said that he had sent Gunther to Gerstein to get a more poisonous gas and less complicated apparatus. My visitor had noted that this was not the normal operating procedure, and he had wondered why Globocnik had not addressed himself directly to the supply office by letter. This fact made my visitor suspicious about the entire operation. My visitor said that Globocnik’s assignment at Warthegau was a punitive measure that had been imposed for a number of misdeeds which he had committed during his tenure as Gauleiter in the Vienna area. At Berlin he also had a very bad reputation, at least, so my visitor claimed. Thus, with the intention of speaking about this business as soon as he got back to Berlin, my visitor decided to go to Belzec — even though his business did not require him to go — so as to be in a position to speak about the matter with some first hand knowledge.

          At Belzec he saw a very small camp, with enough barracks to have housed four or five hundred people. He saw the inmates walking around the camp and they appeared to be well fed and in good shape. Moreover, upon inquiry he learned that they were all Jews. He was told by a Jewish inmate that there was a small railway station with a single track that served the camp. >From time to time, a short train would arrive full of his coreligionists. The people in the camp were to greet the arrivals and were to assist in their extermination by herding them into a little house, which was shown him, where they were asphyxiated. On the house was a sign which read “Fondation Heckenholt, ” the name of the Jew who was in charge of starting and keeping the motor running. The inmate told all this while eating a jam tart, which clouds of flies tried to settle on and which he kept brushing away. A disgusting smell similar to that of a freshly opened grave pervaded the camp. The flies and the stench came from the massive pits where the victims were buried after each gassing. Hauptsturmführer Wirth, formerly an officer with the Stuttgart criminal police and commandant of this camp, received my interlocutor on his arrival. He and another S.S. officer, his deputy, who accompanied them during his visit, both complained incessantly about the Kommando to which they had been assigned. They begged him to use his influence to get them transferred to another unit as soon as he returned to Berlin. Neither one of them could understand how they could be required to do such work, and they were sure that at Berlin nothing was known about what was going on here. “Why do you not ask for a transfer yourselves?” asked my visitor. “Then, after getting it you could expose this disgraceful business…” “This is just what Globocnik is afraid of,” he was told. “And another thing, we could not apply for a transfer without going through channels, and that means going through him, and for fear of being exposed, either he would not grant it, or he would have us shot at once on some pretext or other. We know of cases… Fortunately you have come here and you can, at the same time that you get us out of here through your connections in Berlin, stop this shameful business… Fortunately, too, it is only a small train with few cars that arrives from time to time, two or three up to now (9). Otherwise, with the limited means we have at hand for burying the bodies, we would be living in a regular center of infection, breeding every imaginable disease… Tomorrow a train is scheduled to arrive at about seven in the morning…”

          3. My interlocutor told me that, upon being informed of the expected train, he decided to stay. Accompanied by Wirth and his S.S. aide, he again visited the little house that had been fixed up for exterminations, and he described it to me. It had a raised ground floor, and a hallway with three small rooms on each side, which he did not measure, but which he thought had an area of surely less than 5 x 5 meters, perhaps 4 x 5 maximum, and all of them were rectangular, not square. At the end of the hall was the room where the Diesel motor was located in the center on a cement base and a little below floor level. I asked about this motor and how it was connected up to exhaust outlets in each of the six rooms. It was a truck motor, about 1.50 meters long, a little less than 1 meter wide, and a good meter in height, including the concrete base. Its power he did not know; perhaps it had 200 horsepower, he said. I pointed out to him that it was said to have been a marine engine, and, therefore, it must have been much bigger if it had been built for a ship. “Surely not,” he said. “it was a truck motor, at least its dimensions led me to visualize it on a truck.” He remembered the number of cylinders, six in one row. As for the connection with the exhaust pipes, in order to proceed faster, he made a drawing for me, which showed that the motor exhaust was introduced into each room by means of a pipe that was connected to an outlet in the floor. “I do not wonder,” I said, “that Globocnik wanted to find a more efficient method. It must have been horribly long…” ” A quarter of an hour,” he interrupted.

          If until now this account had seemed plausible to me, after this remark, this “quarter of an hour” weighed heavily on the rest of our conversation. We talked about it at length, and we kept returning to it, with me maintaining that it was absolutely impossible and with him insisting that it was nevertheless true. I had already studied the Gerstein document together with automotive engineers and toxicologists and I knew what I was talking about. In response to my technical objections, he said that he had seen it and that “nevertheless it was true.” In vain I tried to explain to him that, with 200 horsepower or even more, a Diesel engine could not produce, in a quarter of an hour, the necessary toxic concentration in 250 to 300 cubic meters of air to cause death. That faced with the impossibility of getting 700 to 800 persons — 40 to 50 at a maximum, my interlocutor corrected — into rooms of 40 to 45 cubic meters, and knowing the limitations of a Diesel engine, the writer of the document had to reduce to almost nothing the quantity of air to be made toxic. I added that the atmosphere in the house in question would not be sufficiently toxic to kill everyone until after 32 minutes and that if the day before Globocnik had said himself that the method was not very efficient, it was just another proof that the operation must have lasted a long time. Finally, I pointed out that after twenty years his memory could not be so exact, etc. Nothing budged him. He would not change his mind about the quarter of an hour, except to say that he had not timed it with his watch and that without doubt his estimate was within a minute or two of being exact. Moreover, his demeanor reflected only good faith. Since then I have, with his sketch in hand, questioned many experts on combustion engines, fluid combustion, and toxicology, no one has been willing to give less than one and a half to two hours ….

          During the rest of the conversation, nothing else came up that I took exception to, but this objection is an important one and is very disturbing. There was one other thing that was strange about the asphyxiating apparatus. I did not understand why the designer had divided the space into six rooms instead of leaving it in one, which would have been less costly and less complicated; but, I did not press the point.

          4. Meanwhile, Gerstein arrived with three or four people; my visitor was no longer quite sure how many. Globocnik, who had come with them, turned right around and went back. During his conversation the day before with Globocnik, my visitor reported that Gerstein had related that his trip from Berlin to Lublin had not been uneventful. What he had with him was not Zyklon B in crystals, as one might think, but liquid prussic acid in bottles, and with the incessant jolting on a road in bad repair, one or two of these bottles had broken in the truck. He and his driver had been very frightened. My visitor then asked him how his trip from Lublin to Belzec had been. “Very good,” he replied. “We left the goods at Lublin…”

          They inspected the camp together, and in the evening, still together, they were served at dinner by a couple of Jewish prisoners. The atmosphere was heavy; the most talkative one was Gerstein. He seemed keyed up, and everything he said seemed to be aimed at belittling Globocnik. He inspired confidence in no one, at least my interlocutor had that impression. And, when he heard several years later, from one of his friends who had had Gerstein as a student, that the latter was a psychopath, he was not surprised.

          The next morning, between 7 and 8 o’clock, the expected transport of Jews arrived; it was a train of four or five cars, with some 250 to 300 men, women, and children, and not with 6,000 or 6,700 persons, piled into 45 cars, as the Gerstein Document claims. Likewise, the 200 Ukrainians that are mentioned in the Document were in reality about two dozen Jewish inmates from the camp. There was no brutality; no doors were wrenched from the cars; no one was struck with rubber truncheons. Rather, there was a brotherly reception from their coreligionists, plainly intent on creating a feeling of confidence in the arrivals.

          In preparing the victims for the gassing, they were required to deposit their valuables and jewels at the Effecktenkammer in return for a receipt; then they proceeded to the barber. Finally, they were made to undress. The undressing was the longest process and took almost all morning. These unfortunates asked their coreligionists, who had received them under the armed guard of a few listless and inattentive S.S., what was to become of them. They were told that they were to be disinfected and that, after that, they would be assigned to labor Kommandos according to their abilities. They were told to take a deep breath during the disinfection process — a hideous spectacle for those who knew.

          Then, they were herded into the building where the gassing was to take place. Haphazardly they were divided up among the six rooms — 40 to 50 per room, my visitor repeated. The doors were closed, and the lights were put out. At this moment, the only things to be heard were the prayers of these unfortunates, and the cries of fright from the women and the children. The engine was started and, a quarter of an hour later, the bodies were removed by the Totenkommando, which was composed of Jewish prisoners. The corpses were carried to a waiting grave.

          “But that grave,” I interrupted, “they must have seen it, since, really, for 250 to 300 people it must have been quite sizeable.” My visitor replied, “No. It had been dug some distance behind the gassing house, and they could not see it. The bodies were taken out through side doors in each room, directly to the outside, sort of garage doors. The dimensions of the grave? I have an idea that it must have been about 20 meters long, 5 wide, and barely 2 deep…”

          And, he explained the dangers of that kind of burial. Wirth had told him that into that huge grave lots of gasoline had been poured over the heap of corpses. But, the attempt to cremate the corpses in that manner had been only partially successful. Earth was thrown on top of the corpses, but after two or three days this earth raised up from the pressure of gas rising from below. And, it infected the air. Also, the rotting flesh attracted the clouds of those flies which one saw everywhere. Deciding that he now had seen enough, my visitor left the camp without delay and returned to Lublin.

          I tried to return the conversation to a discussion of the “quarter of an hour” that the gassing was supposed to have lasted, by expressing the opinion that the length of the breakdown of the diesel engine, which lasted two hours and forty nine minutes, according to the Gerstein Document, could actually have been not a breakdown, but the added time that this engine required to poison the air sufficiently to cause death. I had no success with this suggestion. My visitor was sure that there had been not the least engine trouble and that the gassing took only a quarter of an hour.

          My visitor’s business in the region around Lublin took longer than he had anticipated. He was detained in Lodz for a good two weeks, and he could not get back to Berlin until about September 15. Immediately upon his return he went straight to Dr. Grawitz who was a friend of his and a close associate of Reichsführer-S.S. Heinrich Himmler. After hearing his tale, Dr. Grawitz jumped up, horrified, and rushed without delay to Himmler.

          “I cannot now be specific about the dates,” he added, “but about ten days later, Dr. Grawitz came himself to tell me, while at the same time congratulating me for my intervention, that an inquiry was underway about what I had reported, and, a few weeks later — I remember that it was just a few days after All Saints Day — that the camp had been closed and Globocnik once again had been transferred (10). That is all I know.”

          Now, much of what the good doctor says is nonsense, an attempt to shuttle blame away from the upper echelons of the Nazi Government. However, this is no interrogation, Talbot. The doctor met with Rassnier of his own free will.
          Why would he lie to Rassnier, Talbot? Rassnier, a Nazi apologist par excellence, in spite of the fact that he died at an early age due to injuries he suffered at the hands of the Gestapo.

          Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 9:53 am

          • Bless you, Jeff – thanks for contributing that lengthy piece of fun for our enjoyment. Even you have the grace to declare;- ” much of what the good doctor says is nonsense “. And I heartily agree with you. But I will say this for the former SS doctor, he does seem to have a riotous sense of humour. He claims it took just a quarter of an hour for hundreds of Jews to be killed by diesel exhaust fumes.

            Stand-up comedians like this are in high demand throughout the world of entertainment – and if he had this kind of material to divulge with a straight face, then he would have had his audience literally rolling in the aisles.

            The sondercommandos eating jam tarts was a real howler, but at least it did solve one puzzling holohoax question that’s been troubling me over the years. And that was Fillip Muehler, who was a “slave worker” in the Kremas at Auschwitz. He told us that they were all eating cake while the victims were being gassed. Now, I’ve always wondered what kind of cake the SS handed out to their loyal, diligent, and hard-working staff: was it Madeira cake; Victoria Sponge; Swiss Roll – or just an ordinary Fruit ‘n Nut Cake. But we can now rest assured that it was delicious and yummy jam tart.

            But what you have submitted, Jeff, has really got nothing to do with my original comment about the peepholes in the gas chamber doors. Gerstein contradicts Dr. Pfannstaniel, because the latter said that the glass misted over with condensation almost immediately after the door was closed, while Gerstein claimed that people were peering through the glass over a two hour period.

            So there we are – who do you believe? And in addition, the question of whether the alleged engine at Belzec was diesel or gasoline is still unresolved.

            Comment by Talbot — October 5, 2016 @ 11:29 am

            • “Bless you, Jeff – thanks for contributing that lengthy piece of fun for our enjoyment.”

              How nice of you to say that, Talbot.
              But it doesn’t match the silliness you subjected us to about the peephole.
              You English are a funny lot….Monty Python, Benny Hill, Fawlty Towers….you’ve given me many hours of enjoyment.
              I remember a special I watched that featured Monty Python. The Germans asked them to come over to give a comedy special…..to show them what a sense of humor was…..so funny.
              Anyway, the group said that the first thing that happened was that Germans whisked them over to Dachau (steins of beer in hand). None of them could figure out why but they thought it was to get it out of the way. Unfortunately they got there right as the camp was closing. The museum wasn’t going to let them in until the group said they were Jewish.
              And the museum let them in!!!! So funny. Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled comment……

              “Even you have the grace to declare;- ” much of what the good doctor says is nonsense “.

              Why yes, I did. The doctor still obviously had strong feelings about the Nazi government and sought to deflect blame from them. I’m sure his heart was in the right place.

              “And I heartily agree with you. But I will say this for the former SS doctor, he does seem to have a riotous sense of humour. He claims it took just a quarter of an hour for hundreds of Jews to be killed by diesel exhaust fumes.”

              Yes, I’m glad you find the murder of innocent men, women and children funny.

              “Stand-up comedians like this are in high demand throughout the world of entertainment – and if he had this kind of material to divulge with a straight face, then he would have had his audience literally rolling in the aisles.”

              Why, exactly, would Pfannenstiel seek Rassnier out in order to tell him a ginormous joke?
              Talbot, I realize you have a hard time grasping certain realities. However, what you are saying does not make any sense. Even for you.

              “The sondercommandos eating jam tarts was a real howler, but at least it did solve one puzzling holohoax question that’s been troubling me over the years. And that was Fillip Muehler, who was a “slave worker” in the Kremas at Auschwitz. He told us that they were all eating cake while the victims were being gassed. Now, I’ve always wondered what kind of cake the SS handed out to their loyal, diligent, and hard-working staff: was it Madeira cake; Victoria Sponge; Swiss Roll – or just an ordinary Fruit ‘n Nut Cake. But we can now rest assured that it was delicious and yummy jam tart.”

              You focus on some of the oddest things.

              “But what you have submitted, Jeff, has really got nothing to do with my original comment about the peepholes in the gas chamber doors. Gerstein contradicts Dr. Pfannstaniel, because the latter said that the glass misted over with condensation almost immediately after the door was closed, while Gerstein claimed that people were peering through the glass over a two hour period.”

              I actually find all of that irrelevant. It isn’t uncommon for witness statements to not sync up, it makes sense that they wouldn’t. Each man was affected by what they were seeing in a different manner. What they witnessed was traumatizing, that affects how they perceived the time, what details they focused on, etc.

              But, what do they agree happened?
              That Jews died in a gas chamber. In the end that’s all that matters.

              “So there we are – who do you believe? And in addition, the question of whether the alleged engine at Belzec was diesel or gasoline is still unresolved.”

              Me? I believe both of them. Not the extraneous stuff, the core of what they saw. They both agree that Jews died in a gas chamber.

              As far as diesel or petrol, again, to a certain degree I find it irrelevant. But, based upon the statements of those who would know I would say petrol.

              Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 7:47 pm

              • And keep that Jew Soap lie going….
                I guess it’s one of those points that’s not relevant to you.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — October 5, 2016 @ 7:55 pm

                • “And keep that Jew Soap lie going….
                  I guess it’s one of those points that’s not relevant to you.”

                  Why would it be relevant? If it happened it was an isolated thing, nothing mass produced.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 5, 2016 @ 7:59 pm

              • ” As far as diesel or petrol, again, to a certain degree I find it irrelevant. ”

                That one short sentence of yours, Jeff, shows us clearly the unreal world that you and the other holohoaxers live in.

                Apart from the pathetic fact that after 70 years-or-more no one is able to declare definitively what fuel, or engine, was deployed to generate the poison gas that allegedly killed massive numbers of human beings: surely it is also a legal and ethical requirement of any court of law – before anyone is convicted and condemned – that the murder weapon is clearly defined and proven to be a viable instrument for systematic mass murder.

                Comment by Talbot — October 6, 2016 @ 3:59 am

                • “” As far as diesel or petrol, again, to a certain degree I find it irrelevant. ”

                  “That one short sentence of yours, Jeff, shows us clearly the unreal world that you and the other holohoaxers live in.”

                  Really? How about the fact that deniers call these camps “transit camps” without proof? Don’t you find that unreal?

                  “Apart from the pathetic fact that after 70 years-or-more no one is able to declare definitively what fuel, or engine, was deployed to generate the poison gas that allegedly killed massive numbers of human beings:”

                  Actually, based upon the testimony of those who operated, installed and serviced those engines we can call them petrol engines.

                  “surely it is also a legal and ethical requirement of any court of law – before anyone is convicted and condemned – that the murder weapon is clearly defined and proven to be a viable instrument for systematic mass murder.”

                  Let’s break this down a bit, Talbot. Let’s say you and I witness a murder. The killer shoots the victim with a pistol.
                  Now, there are many types of pistols and many different manufacturers. Let’s say you identify the pistol as a Glock while I identify it as a Sig Sauer. At some point the killer got rid of the gun so we don’t have it to identify it. Only the killer knows and confesses that he used a Colt. Now, does that invalidate our testimony? No, it does not. We simply misidentified the weapon.

                  The reason why I say diesel or petrol is irrelevant is because both can kill, Talbot.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 6, 2016 @ 5:15 am

                • That would be like saying that the JFK assassination was irrelevant it didn’t matter what weapon was used he was killed who cares. Isn’t it funny when it comes down to the nitty-gritty of how something happened it’s irrelevant when they don’t have the answers.
                  Tell that to the thousands who were put to death because of lies.
                  People who can do that I damaged goods.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 6, 2016 @ 6:52 am

                • “That would be like saying that the JFK assassination was irrelevant it didn’t matter what weapon was used he was killed who cares.”

                  Um, irrelevant, Jim, Oswald left the murder weapon in the Book Depository. Everyone knew what type of weapon was used. The Germans hauled the engines away and razed the site.

                  “Isn’t it funny when it comes down to the nitty-gritty of how something happened it’s irrelevant when they don’t have the answers.”

                  We do. Based upon who serviced, operated and directly witnessed the engine say it was petrol, not diesel. Pay attention.

                  “Tell that to the thousands who were put to death because of lies.”

                  Please provide me a “list” of those executed because of “lies.”

                  “People who can do that I damaged goods.”

                  I call deranged racists who idolize a vile regime responsible for the deaths of millions damaged goods.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 6, 2016 @ 7:03 am

                • You wrote: “Oswald left the murder weapon in the Book Depository.”

                  When I first started traveling and writing about the places that I visited, the first place that I went was to Dallas. I went into the “schoolbook depository” building, and I went to the “grassy knoll”.

                  I concluded that Oswald was not the killer. I believe that he was set up to be the patsy, who was blamed for a crime that he did not commit.

                  After that, I started studying the Holocaust, and I visited many places where the Holocaust allegedly happened. I concluded that most of the True Believer Holocaust story is wrong.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 6, 2016 @ 8:34 am

                • “When I first started traveling and writing about the places that I visited, the first place that I went was to Dallas. I went into the “schoolbook depository” building, and I went to the “grassy knoll”.”

                  I’ve been there as well.

                  “I concluded that Oswald was not the killer. I believe that he was set up to be the patsy, who was blamed for a crime that he did not commit.”

                  Why? Who do you think did it?

                  “After that, I started studying the Holocaust, and I visited many places where the Holocaust allegedly happened. I concluded that most of the True Believer Holocaust story is wrong.”

                  Based on the assassination of JFK?

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 6, 2016 @ 9:37 am

                • After 70-odd years no one has proved beyond all doubt that the method of gassing ever worked in the manner that has been described. At Belzec, for instance, it is alleged that between 400 and 600 thousand people were put to death by means of carbon-monoxide produced from the fumes of diesel or gasoline engines.

                  Well, if it is claimed that such a huge number perished in this manner, then the world needs some verification that this system of gassing – which was repeated many, many times in a production line process – actually worked. This means that the gassing facilities need to be reconstructed according to the available evidence given in testimony by the “eyewitnesses”.

                  But one doesn’t need any live people to be put into the chambers to carry out such an experiment – but simply to rig up the system as the witnesses have claimed, and then repeat the process of feeding the exhaust fumes into the chambers; extracting the gases afterwards; and then going on to repeat the process ( let’s say ) 50 times more. If it can be proved that the system works without either breaking-down or simply degenerating into utter chaos and mayhem, then, yes – you’ve got a viable and workable method of mass murder on your hands. ( I doubt very much that it would work however , but until such an experiment is undertaken, then I, for one, am not prepared to accept these “airy-fairy” statements and assertions from all kinds of dubious sources.

                  Considering that such a huge number of victims were put to death, then it is not an unreasonable request for the Polish and German governments to find the money and resources necessary to build such a structure, and find suitable diesel and gasoline engines to carry out the experiment. The expenditure wouldn’t be that great anyway for a joint enterprise at national government level. And I’m quite certain that many Jewish organisations – plus all the Holocaust Memorial Museums scattered all around the world – would be more than willing to contribute to such an essential enterprise.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 6, 2016 @ 7:36 am

                • “After 70-odd years no one has proved beyond all doubt that the method of gassing ever worked in the manner that has been described. At Belzec, for instance, it is alleged that between 400 and 600 thousand people were put to death by means of carbon-monoxide produced from the fumes of diesel or gasoline engines.”

                  Petrol fumes. The people that serviced and used the engine state it was a petrol engine, not diesel.

                  “Well, if it is claimed that such a huge number perished in this manner, then the world needs some verification that this system of gassing – ”

                  Why does the world need verification of this system of gassing? Is there some sort of dispute about how dangerous Carbon Monoxide is?

                  “which was repeated many, many times in a production line process – actually worked. This means that the gassing facilities need to be reconstructed according to the available evidence given in testimony by the “eyewitnesses”.”

                  Do you dispute the fact that if you lock a bunch of people in a room and flood it with exhaust fumes they will die?

                  “But one doesn’t need any live people to be put into the chambers to carry out such an experiment – but simply to rig up the system as the witnesses have claimed, and then repeat the process of feeding the exhaust fumes into the chambers; extracting the gases afterwards; and then going on to repeat the process ( let’s say ) 50 times more. If it can be proved that the system works without either breaking-down or simply degenerating into utter chaos and mayhem, then, yes – you’ve got a viable and workable method of mass murder on your hands. ( I doubt very much that it would work however , but until such an experiment is undertaken, then I, for one, am not prepared to accept these “airy-fairy” statements and assertions from all kinds of dubious sources.”

                  OK. Why don’t you give it a shot, then? Get yourself a vehicle, get a shed, drill a hole and do what you suggested. Let us know how it goes.

                  “Considering that such a huge number of victims were put to death, then it is not an unreasonable request for the Polish and German governments to find the money and resources necessary to build such a structure, and find suitable diesel and gasoline engines to carry out the experiment.”

                  Why would they bother? No one disputes what happened except for some fringe whackadoodles.

                  No offense, of course.

                  “The expenditure wouldn’t be that great anyway for a joint enterprise at national government level. And I’m quite certain that many Jewish organisations – plus all the Holocaust Memorial Museums scattered all around the world – would be more than willing to contribute to such an essential enterprise.”

                  To please fringe whackadoodles? Why would they bother?

                  However, if deniers will ever get around to proving where the Jews went then this will all get settled.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 6, 2016 @ 7:56 am

                • You wrote: ” if deniers will ever get around to proving where the Jews went then this will all get settled.”

                  I have blogged about where the Jews went, on several blog posts:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/belzec/

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 6, 2016 @ 8:10 am

                • “You wrote: ” if deniers will ever get around to proving where the Jews went then this will all get settled.”

                  I have blogged about where the Jews went, on this blog post:
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/belzec/

                  Didn’t answer my question.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 6, 2016 @ 10:43 am

                • Well, you still haven’t provided any proof that this gassing system that was alleged to have been deployed at Belzec actually worked, and was a viable and reliable process for the entire duration of the “extermination” process there.

                  I’m afraid you are not going to get far in convincing doubters, sceptics and revisionists of your case if you just dismiss them with insults. But methinks, that my proposal that the Polish and German governments should be obliged to carry out a joint project with real, verifiable tests and experiments, has struck a raw nerve. Maybe you holocaust proponents are rather apprehensive that physical re-enactments of what is alleged to have taken place there might prove negative – and then you would all appear before the world like “the emperor with no clothes” – but this time, instead of the little boy pointing out the obvious, everyone would see the embarrassing situation that you find yourselves in.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 6, 2016 @ 8:53 am

                • “Well, you still haven’t provided any proof that this gassing system that was alleged to have been deployed at Belzec actually worked, and was a viable and reliable process for the entire duration of the “extermination” process there.”

                  I’m not sure where the disconnect is coming from. Are you saying Carbon Monoxide is not dangerous? Are you saying primitive gas chambers are hard to create? Are you saying that people are all that hard to kill?
                  Because you are wrong on all three accounts.

                  “I’m afraid you are not going to get far in convincing doubters, sceptics and revisionists of your case if you just dismiss them with insults.”

                  Well, considering that you all have nothing better to offer I’m not concerned about it.

                  “But methinks, that my proposal that the Polish and German governments should be obliged to carry out a joint project with real, verifiable tests and experiments, has struck a raw nerve.”

                  Youthinks wrong.

                  “Maybe you holocaust proponents are rather apprehensive that physical re-enactments of what is alleged to have taken place there might prove negative –”

                  Talbot, people accidentally and purposely kill themselves by using car/truck exhaust all of the time. Why is this so difficult for deniers to get?

                  “and then you would all appear before the world like “the emperor with no clothes” – but this time, instead of the little boy pointing out the obvious, everyone would see the embarrassing situation that you find yourselves in.”

                  I’ll tell you what’s embarrassing. Deniers saying that the Germans transported millions of Jews to the East with no proof. That’s a laugh riot.

                  Comment by Jeff K. — October 6, 2016 @ 10:07 am

                • This whole mess can be solved if they re-enact the killing procedures, pick your best one, and the disposing of the bodies procedures, however which way they want to do it.
                  No matter what they really can’t do it, so the proof falls upon them to succeed in their killing theories.
                  You will notice that in most of the camps where they say hundreds of thousands of bodies are buried they put monuments there to stop any excavation……
                  Gee I wonder why?

                  JR

                  Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 6, 2016 @ 12:11 pm

                • You wrote: “in most of the camps where they say hundreds of thousands of bodies are buried they put monuments there to stop any excavation……”

                  You are correct. The first place that I ever visited was Treblinka; I saw that Jewish monuments had been placed over all the spots where Jews were allegedly killed, so that no one could dig up the remains and test them for traces of gas.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 6, 2016 @ 12:20 pm

      • Jim… How ask you expect them to break the peephole? They arnt just going to brake it with their finger.

        Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 5:19 am

    • Jeff, these reads are complete nonsense…keep dreaming.

      Comment by rizolitv — October 4, 2016 @ 8:05 pm

      • Lol Jims getting pissy so he is insulting Jeff though another account. Pathetic.

        Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 5:33 am

  8. Yet another Jew plagiarizes Baron Münghausen…

    Comment by CB — October 3, 2016 @ 9:33 am

  9. YAWN! More nonsense that they won’t check to see if what Ms Holohuxster says is true.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — October 2, 2016 @ 11:27 am

    • Nonsense? You mean like all the idiotic comments you posted at skeptic?

      Comment by Denying-History — October 2, 2016 @ 7:15 pm

      • Comments like this….

        Belzec
        Holocaust or Hoax Jurgen Graf p.121

        600,000 Jews are supposed to have been murdered in Belzec between March and December 1942. According to which “historian” you read, between one and five Jews survived the camp, so that the monstrous Nazi machine proved itself especially efficient at Belzec. Star witness for the mass murders at Belzec is naturally Kurt Gerstein, who, it will be remembered, reported 20 – 25 million gassing victims, 35 – 40 m high piles of shoes and underwear, and 28 – 32 gas chamber inmates per square metre. Apart from Gerstein, there is only one “witness” to the gas chamber, a Polish Jew named Rudolf Reder, who is supposed to be one of the one to five survivors of the camp. Reder, however, spoke of three million gassing victims at Belzec. 
        For decades, the murder weapon at Belzec was supposed to have been a Diesel motor. During the initial development phase of the Holocaust yarn, nevertheless, all sorts of imaginable variants on this tale were current, ranging from Dr. Stefan Szende’s submergible platforms to Jan Karski’s quicklime cars, and even an electrical oven mentioned by Abraham Silberschein. All these tales have since disappeared into the rubbish bin of history. 

        No doubt!

        JR

        Comment by jrizoli — October 2, 2016 @ 7:24 pm

        • Jim… It’s 434,508… Can you at least get the number right?

          Between 1/5 Jews survived? Really? Is that why there is only two known survivors?

          As well Rudolf said that Belzec used Petrol… Not diesel.

          As well Christian Lindtner has already pointed out that “Graf has left the realm of scholarship.”

          So again your worthless reliance on copyrighted material shows its light.

          Comment by Denying-History — October 2, 2016 @ 7:39 pm

          • There you go….. that’s how you try to get back at people that expose your HoloHoax lies the copyright issue again….
            when the truth stares you in the face you always go by that old standby.
            Just to let you know on this site you are outnumbered because most people here know what’s going on and know who the Liars are.
            I guess you’ll get a taste of your own medicine here.

            JR

            Comment by jrizoli — October 2, 2016 @ 7:50 pm

            • You again are the one stealing other people’s work and large excerpts online. Which again breaks copyright laws.

              http://www.copyright.gov/title17/circ92.pdf

              Mind again my point is your inability to formulate your own opinion. Here you haven’t broken such laws as its a small except, but this is completely beside the point of your idiotic postings.

              Comment by Denying-History — October 2, 2016 @ 7:55 pm

              • You are in no position to complain about copyright you don’t own the copyright. The person that owns the copyright would have to make the complaint I doubt very much if the people that wrote these articles would complain about what I’m doing with the information. On this site there are plenty of copyright issues but no one complains because we’re not as anal as you.

                When Jews lose they use copyright as an issue when they can’t deal with the truth so they have to deal with a law that does not apply especially if you use the information in an educational way.
                Everyone that writes articles on lots of different subjects breaks copyright technically by using anything written in any article without permission so you’d have a hard time winning that issue.
                You are here just to start trouble hopefully won’t last too long.

                JR

                Comment by jrizoli — October 2, 2016 @ 8:14 pm

                • Jim, stop acting like a fucking child over your inability to understand that you cannot post entire chapters of a book online.

                  Just cause I don’t own the damn book doesn’t mean I cannot point this out.

                  Now Jim, do you have any real issues or will you continue on your idiotic rant about how you are the apparent expert on copyright.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 2, 2016 @ 8:17 pm

                • Belzec Intro for those who want to learn the truth.
                  This information is from people that have common sense and I’m not fedding on the Jew lie.

                  For official historiography it is now indisputable dogma that, from March
                  1942 onwards, three extermination camps were set up on Polish soil – at BeáĪec, at Treblinka, and at Sobibór where mass murder of Jews deported there
                  took place in homicidal gas chambers using the exhaust gases from diesel engines. However, this is neither the first nor the only version that circulated during the Second World War; it was the eventual result of a slow narrative
                  evolution, the main phases of which can be followed in the propaganda, in the original historical version, and in the judicial proceedings of that time. Until
                  1946, there circulated several totally different versions of the extermination methods allegedly used in those camps, which nonetheless received the blessings of the Polish authorities. With respect to the number of victims in these camps, various absolutely ludicrous figures were reported: 3 million for Treblinka now reduced to 870,000; some 2 million for Sobibór,now standing at
                  250,000; and 3 million for BeáĪec, against 600,000 at present.
                  How and why did the present ‘authorized’ version of official historiography come about? And what is its historical value? In the book Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?
                  Jürgen Graf and I have exhaustively an-
                  swered those questions for the alleged extermination camp at Treblinka. The
                  present study undertakes the same task with respect to the alleged extermination camp at BeáĪec. In the discussion which follows, I shall obviously make use of the results arrived at in my Treblinka book, without repeating the corresponding evidence each time, although some quotations become necessary.
                  I did not, on the other hand, think it necessary to reiterate the technical objections valid with respect to the use of diesel exhaust gases for homicidal
                  gassings; they apply for the Treblinka camp just as much as for BeáĪec.5
                  Aside from this, I have been able to make use of a precious tool archeological research at the ‘scene of the crime’ – which unfortunately was not available at Treblinka and which, as we shall see, will furnish us with conclusive criteria for testing the official theses.

                  Carlo Mattogno

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 2, 2016 @ 8:26 pm

                • 1) Again they used Petrol… Do we honestly have to go over this again?

                  Belzec: Rudolf Reder took 4 to 5 cans of petrol to the engine every day.

                  Kasimierz Czerniak a Polish electrician identified the engine as a petrol engine.

                  Sobibor: Both Fritz Hödl and Erich Fuchs identified the engine as a petrol engine.

                  Treblinka: Nikolay Shalayev the operator of the gas chamber in Treblinka said the engine ran off Petrol gas.

                  2) I believe that I also told you the first actual attempt at calculating the number killed at Treblinka was in 1948… Their estimate was 780,000. The 3 million number was a concoction of the Soviet propaganda machine, which most judges didn’t take seriously.

                  Belzec had been shown to have only killed 434,508 according to the Höfle telegram.

                  I don’t see any numbers for Sobibor but I am going to mention that it only killed around 170,165 based on the Höfle telegram and the numbers provided Jules Schelvis for his 1943 figure.

                  3) No one was transited from this camp. Read the HC white paper.

                  4) just when I actually expected Jim to type out his own response we again get a quote from a book. Shows you how much time he actually spends on this topic.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 2, 2016 @ 9:18 pm

                • You wrote: “Treblinka: Nikolay Shalayev the operator of the gas chamber in Treblinka said the engine ran off Petrol gas.”

                  Have you ever been to the location of the Treblinka camp? Have you ever seen the gas chamber there?

                  When I started traveling to Holocaust sites in 1998, the first place that I went was to Treblinka.

                  I wrote about Treblinka at
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/the-story-of-treblinka-transit-camp-or-extermination-center/

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 3, 2016 @ 8:13 am

                • No, I have been to Belzec though.

                  The camp was entirely disabled so by your argument. ” have you ever seen the gas chamber there?” I could turn it against you and ask if you have ever seen a camp at Treblinka 2. The answer is no, but this doesn’t change the word of the engines operator.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 8:16 am

                • You wrote: “I could turn it against you and ask if you have ever seen a camp at Treblinka 2.”

                  I did not go to see the Treblinka II camp, which was built first and was called the Treblinka I camp after the Treblinka II camp was built.
                  The Treblinka I camp was a labor camp.
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/treblinka-ii-camp/

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 3, 2016 @ 8:31 am

                • That is beside the point. My argument is that just cause the chambers are no standing doesn’t change what their actual function was.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 8:39 am

                • You wrote: “just cause the chambers are no standing doesn’t change what their actual function was.”

                  The reason that the gas chambers at Treblinka are no longer standing is because THERE WERE NO GAS CHAMBERS AT TREBLINKA.

                  When railroad lines were built in the 19th century, the width of the tracks was standardized in America and western Europe, but the tracks in Russia and eastern Poland were a different gauge. Bialystok is the end of the line in Poland; this is as far east as trains can go without changing the wheels on the rail cars. Treblinka is located only a short distance west of Bialystok.

                  In June 1941, the German Army invaded the Soviet Union and “liberated” the area formerly known as the Pale of Settlement. By the time that the Aktion Reinhard camps were set up in 1942, German troops had advanced a thousand kilometers into Russia. Allegedly, the plan was to transport the Jews as far as the Bug river and kill them in gas chambers, then claim that they had been “transported to the East.” NO, the plan was to actually transport the Jews to the East, into Russia.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 3, 2016 @ 8:51 am

                • The reason no gas chamber is standing is as simple as there is no camp standing there at all! By your standards the entire camp wouldn’t have existed. FG take some advice from Holodomor historian James mace and learn something about oral testimony.

                  “Memory is truly an unreliable source, but so are all the other sources in one way or another, and sometimes oral history, a pretty well-established discipline, can tell us things we cannot otherwise find out.”

                  You cannot escape the fact liquidation happened at Treblinka 2, nor can Mattogno. The Stoop report clearly says that liquidation happened at Treblinka.

                  “With the Jews who have been bagged today, in my opinion a very large part of the bandits and lowest elements of the ghetto have been captured. Due to the onset of darkness, their immediate liquidation was no longer carried out. I will try to get a train to T II for tomorrow, otherwise the *liquidation* will be carried out tomorrow.”

                  Despite what you want to claim it’s been laid out that gas chambers (new and old) in fact did exist.

                  The internal doors were metal as described by

                  Suchomel: The new gas chambers were built in September 1942.

                  Lanzmann: Who built them?

                  Suchomel: Hackenhold and Lambert supervised the Jews who did the work,
                  the bricklaying at least. Ukrainian carpenters made the doors. The
                  gas-chamber doors themselves were armoder hunker doors. I think they
                  were brought from Bialystok, from some Russian bunkers.

                  (Shoah transcript page 61)

                  And the outer doors were more primitive.

                  This aside the killer was a Russian T-34 petrol M-17 engine.

                  http://www.alexfiles99.narod.ru/engine/m17/m-17_engine.html

                  As for your claim of resettlement I am not to interested in Unicornville.

                  http://hooverhog.typepad.com/hognotes/2015/02/a-reply-by-david-cole.html

                  And the stark difference in the populations of the Jews for 1939 and 1949

                  16,643,120 – 11,266,600 = 5,376,520

                  1939:http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1946_1947_13_Statistics.pdf

                  1949: world Almanac 1949 edition.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 9:50 am

                • The readers of my blog, who comment here, might have a hard time understanding your Shtick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtick

                  There are not many Jews commenting here, AFAIK.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 3, 2016 @ 8:38 am

                • There is no shtick. I have used simple concepts, though Jim seems to be missing points… Such as his inability to understand US law.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 8:45 am

                • Also just as a side note. I’m not Jewish.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 8:46 am

                • You wrote: “I have been to Belzec”

                  I read about Belzec, and I wanted to go there, but I was advised not to because this place is way out in the boondocks and there are thieves there waiting to rob tourists who go there alone.

                  However, I have a section about Belzec on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Belzec/index.html

                  The photos were sent to me by a woman who went there and took some very good photos.

                  I believe that Belzec was a transit camp.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 3, 2016 @ 9:10 am

                • I never ran into any issues. The area has mostly become a park… It’s quite sad considering you can find bikers there and at the same time find bone fragments quite easily once you enter the extermination section.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 9:56 am

                • Mattogno doesn’t claim it as a transit camp from what I am aware. I believe Mattogno labeled it a labor camp. He did label Sobibor a transit camp though.

                  I would need to check my notes. Lately I have been looked into Mauthousen.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 9:58 am

                • You wrote: “Lately I have been looked into Mauthousen.”

                  Many years ago, in the 1950ies, I took a cruise down the Rhine river. The cruise went past Mauthausen, but the tour guide did not point it out, nor even mention it. I noticed the buildings in the camp, but did not know what they were.

                  I have a section on my website about Mauthausen: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Mauthausen/KZMauthausen/index.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 3, 2016 @ 1:28 pm

                • I am good…I have Eugen Kogon’s description of the gas chamber, and this is really as much as I need. I am currently also looking at Mattognos Inside the Gas Chambers, and it has some useful information for Mauthausen.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 1:48 pm

                • Don’t feed the trolls, Jim…

                  Comment by hermie — October 2, 2016 @ 9:10 pm

                • Don’t feed the trolls…. good advice thanks!

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 2, 2016 @ 9:22 pm

                • Ah, so I’m the troll then? How so Hermie? Am I part of some elaborate scheme that the Jews put me up to?

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 2, 2016 @ 10:36 pm

            • Now Jim would you like to talk about Belzec?

              Comment by Denying-History — October 2, 2016 @ 7:56 pm

        • Both Kurt Gerstein, and Rudolf Reder’s testimonies are of very poor quality indeed. Even the holocaust proponents are embarrassed by Gerstein – and tend to consign him and his wild, unverified statements on to the back-burner these days. And as For Rudolf Reder – Well, I have deep suspicions that he was ever in Belzec at all, but was a Jewish informer working for the gestapo in the nearby city of Lemberg ( today called Lvov.)

          Reder was living with his housekeeper immediately after the war, and seems to have been arrested by the Polish police. I suspect he was offered a deal by them – either be given a long term of imprisonment for collaborating with the Germans, or sign his name to the fabricated documents about Belzec that they themselves had concocted.

          Comment by Talbot — October 2, 2016 @ 8:26 pm

          • We admit Gerstein exaggerated… And Rudolf was under a traumatic experience, which caused conflation. Both are reliable to an extent.

            Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 10:00 am

          • Do you have anything to back your claim of a threat against Rudolf? This honestly seems ridiculous without something to back it up. Humans are notoriously bad liars… Seems like if he was threatened that it would eventually slip from a reliable source.

            Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 10:03 am

            • If you read Rudolf Reder’s account from a detached and neutral point of view, then you can readily see that his story is a fabrication.

              He not once mentions any SS guards – only “gestapo”, who were never in Belzec at all. He never provides the name of any other Jew who was deported to Belzec alongside him, nor any other identifiable person inside the camp – either inmate or guard.

              This is quite incredible for someone who claims that he had access to the entire camp for several months, and worked on various tasks before he “escaped”.

              And his description of how he escaped is so ludicrous that the story is only fit for young children to read.

              So I will ask you to provide us with some kind of corroborating evidence that Reder was actually in Belzec, and that he escaped from the camp in the manner that he described.

              Comment by Talbot — October 3, 2016 @ 10:26 am

              • I will give you the claim about the “gestapo”… Not sure how this proves the polish police forced him to write his book… Or how he has to mention one of the people transported with him to Belzec.

                Michael Tregenza said rudolf was unreliable… But one again should look for corroboration of testimony. I would recommend you read HC’s writing on the issue. I would take the time to write up something but I am currently limited to a phone.

                http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/09/oh-so-unreliable-rudolf-reder.html?m=1

                Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 10:43 am

                • ” Not sure how this proves the polish police forced him to write his book… Or how he has to mention one of the people transported with him to Belzec. ”

                  Nobody forced him to write his book – that was his own choice, but we simply don’t know what went on during the interrogation between Reder and the Polish police. My speculation, therefore, is just as valid as any provided by a holocaust proponent who hasn’t got any proof or evidence to the contrary.

                  And of course he has to mention some inmates or guards whom he encountered from the time of his arrest until he escaped, because without any corroboration from other witnesses, then how we do know that his testimony is true, or whether it is just a pack of lies?

                  But as things stand – the world has to take on trust the words of a 61 year-old Polish Jew, who opened up his cake-hole, and told his interrogators exactly want they wanted to hear!

                  I’m afraid that’s not good enough for me.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 3, 2016 @ 11:38 am

                • Even “Holocaust Controversies” is forced to say this;- ” To be sure, much of the information provided by Rudolf Reder is badly mistaken”.

                  And yet for decades, the testimony of Rudolf Reder has been presented to the world by the holocaust proponents as one of the most compelling witnesses of exterminations at Belzec.

                  Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear – can’t they produce some real, or substantial, evidence for their claims of mass killings at Belzec. I’m beginning to think that it was a temporary transit camp after all.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 3, 2016 @ 11:57 am

                • Tal… Honestly It doesn’t sound like much of a choice, mind this again is peculation on your part.

                  “My speculation, therefore, is just as valid as any provided by a holocaust proponent who hasn’t got any proof or evidence to the contrary.”

                  No… Its really not. You are the one making the claim… I am skeptical of its reality though, as the burden relies on you to prove that he was given such a choice.

                  “And of course he has to mention some inmates or guards whom he encountered from the time of his arrest until he escaped, because without any corroboration from other witnesses, then how we do know that his testimony is true, or whether it is just a pack of lies?”

                  Why would he need to mention other witnesses? Honestly why would he need to know the people whom corroborate with his testimony? This doesn’t make any sense. You’re letter dismissal of the HC link as a whole is very telling though, as you base it completely on a single sentence. Perhaps you should maybe read past this point. But I will expand more on this in a bit.

                  “And yet for decades, the testimony of Rudolf Reder has been presented to the world by the holocaust proponents as one of the most compelling witnesses of exterminations at Belzec.”

                  Cause the quote about again needs evidence… Who has said that Rudolf Reder’s testimony is the most compelling? Who says this? Honestly are you just making up stuff now?

                  You’re claims aside we can turn to a quote you missed form your skim of the first few paragraphs.

                  “Just like the problematic aspects of Gerstein’s testimony don’t warrant completely dismissing him as a witness, the blatant mistakes in Reder’s testimony don’t change the fact that Reder is remarkably accurate regarding some other details.”

                  Its completely ignoring the whole essay cause you found one sentence which fits your claim.

                  Corroboration does exist in quite a few areas, and a smaller area to start is his claim about Gasoline. His claim is actually backed up by a Pole (not Jewish) engineer whom helped install the engine. This is pointed out by Peter White:

                  “Rudolf Reder, the only known survivor of the extermination camp Belzec, carried (according to his own statement made 1944 to the Special Commission for Investigation of German Crimes, first published in Krakow 1946) 4-5 cans of petrol (kanistry benzyny) every day to the motor room of the gas chambers. There the maszyna / motor pedzony benzyna (a motor, run by petrol) was located. His testimony was supported by the Polish electrician Kasimierz Czerniak, who helped to establishing the motor room in 1942; he described a petrol motor of approximately 200 or more PS, from which exhaust fumes were led away over ground pipes (18 Nov 1945). Confusion with a diesel engine is out of the question because diesel fuel is called olej napedowy in Polish. ”

                  http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_intro.html

                  Rudolf Reders description of the gas chamber as well corroborates with Gerstein (who committed suicide after finishing his ‘report’).

                  Gerstein: “Before us, a kind of bath establishment with, to right and left in the front, large concrete pots with geraniums, then a small stairway, and afterwards to right and to left respectively 3 halls of 5 x 5 meters [16.5 x 16.5 feet], 1.90 m [6 feet] high, with doors of wood like garages. In the wall at the bottom, not very visible in the darkness, large sliding doors of wood. On the roof, by way of a “subtle joke,” the star of David! . . . In front of the building, an inscription ‘Foundation Heckenholt . . . Heckenholt is the operator the diesel engine . . .”

                  Rudolf Reder: “The door to the building was approached by three steps a metre wide without railings. In front stood a large flower-pot filled with plants. There was an inscription in large letters on the front: ‘Bade und Inhalationsräume’. The steps led to a completely empty and unlit corridor, just four cement walls. It was very long, though only about a metre and a half [5 feet] wide. On both sides of the corridor were doors to the gas chambers. These were sliding doors made of wood, with wooden handles. The gas chambers had no windows . . . Both the corridor and the gas chambers were not more than 2 metres [6.5 feet] high. On a wall opposite the entrance to each gas chamber were more sliding doors 2 metres [6.5 feet] wide. Through these the corpses of the gassed were thrown outside.”

                  https://hdot.org/debunking-denial/gr5-corroboration/#_ednref7

                  Yes I do understand some issues of in his testimony exists. The following which is pointed out by Mattogno:

                  “Gerstein moreover attributes the death of the victims in the alleged gas chambers to Diesel exhaust gas, while Reder asserts that the exhaust gases of his gasoline engine were vented not into the gas chambers, but into the open air!”

                  Erich Bauer though creates a plausible explanation for this issue.

                  “The chambers were permanently connected to the engine; the way it worked was that if a wooden plug was pulled out, the fumes went outside; if the plug was pushed into the pipe, the fumes went into the chamber.”

                  http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/topic/1231#.V_K_3_ArLIU

                  In which Rudolf Reder most likely failed to convey his message or had misunderstood the chambers operation.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 1:31 pm

                • DH writes;- ” Why would he need to mention other witnesses? “.

                  Well, for our benefit – because we want to know if his evidence is reliable or not. Without some corroboration from other people who met up with him in Belzec ( either guards or inmates who could vouch for his presence there), then why should anyone accept his words at face value?

                  And although I picked out just one sentence from the HC webpage, there are at least two other references that make perfectly clear the unreliability of Reder’s testimony.

                  I also stand by my claim that ” for decades, the testimony of Rudolf Reder has been presented to the world by the holocaust proponents as one of the most compelling witnesses of exterminations at Belzec”. ( Note; that I did only say BELZEC – not the entire holocaust; and also said ONE of the most compelling ).

                  The arguments about the engines that were allegedly used to generate the exhaust gases just makes my head spin – and I expect that’s what the poor Jews experienced as they stood inside the non-existent gas chambers and breathed in the make-believe fumes! Gerstein contradicts Reder – but what does it matter, both testimonies are not worth the paper they are written on.

                  And who on earth is this Polish electrician – Kasimierz Czerniak. What role did he play in setting up this fantasy engine room for the imaginary gas chambers. Why would the Germans even let a Polish national into their top secret “death camp” in the first place – let alone allow him to start tinkering around with the “extermination” machinery. What happened to this Polish guy – did he come and go regularly from outside the camp. And If so, would he not blab out the awful truth to the underground Polish authorities. In addition, if Mr. Czerniak was instrumental in setting up, and operating, extermination equipment, then would he not be heavily involved as a participant in mass murder?

                  If so, DH, then please kindly tell us which Polish court he was tried for crimes against humanity, and the sentence he received.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 3, 2016 @ 2:54 pm

                • Tal… You are going on about worthless issues… Read more on belzec or maybe read my post again and you might realize something about Rudolf Reder.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 3:02 pm

      • Skeptics, complete bunch of idiots. So glad I got kicked off that site… actually, I didn’t do anything wrong, but so glad I got sway from those Brain dead assholes. Those people care an embarrassment….

        https://framgovfreed.onlinegroups.net/groups/framgovfeed/messages/topic/23Hi6A5Y8t6vCZWqLfOx4S

        Comment by rizolitv — October 4, 2016 @ 8:11 pm

        • Lol That’s quite funny. You provide the same link that Rizoli uploads all of his posts to.😄 I wonder how meny premade posts he has made here.

          Comment by Denying-History — October 5, 2016 @ 5:28 am

  10. Furtherglory wrote: “Note that the roof line of the gas chamber is lower than the roof of the main part of the building. Zyklon-B poison gas pellets were allegedly thrown into the fake shower room through windows on the outside wall of the gas chamber. [a good example of German engineering]”

    Great German engineering indeed. A dumb design making it impossible to retrieve the Zyklon pellets after a gassing!! But I guess the hoaxers want us to believe that the Germans just waited for hours and hours, i.e. until the pellets had released all their hydrogen cyanide content, before emptying the room and begin cremations. What would have been the point of trying to air a room still being fed with poison gas? Would have been like trying to fill your bathtub without using the stopper (cap). Moronic engineering…

    Don’t tell me it didn’t matter. That would amount to turning the alleged Kula columns of Krema II & III into worthless & superfluous devices.

    And why didn’t the alleged doomed Chosenites break those windows in order to let the poison gas out???? Were they just incredibly stupid?

    Comment by hermie — October 2, 2016 @ 10:43 am

    • You wrote: “And why didn’t the alleged doomed Chosenites break those windows in order to let the poison gas out????”

      The alleged gas chamber was really a shower room. There were no windows because the Germans did not want anyone peeking through the windows at the women who were naked because they were in a shower room.

      Comment by furtherglory — October 2, 2016 @ 12:37 pm

      • FG wrote: “There were no windows because the Germans did not want anyone peeking through the windows at the women who were naked because they were in a shower room.”

        No windows??? Weren’t Zyklon-B pellets allegedly thrown into that room THROUGH WINDOWS? According to the ‘Holocaust’ narrative, an SS man had to climb a little ladder to get to those windows. So not anyone could peek through the windows at the women in that shower room and only the people with a little ladder could do that anyway.

        Is the word ‘windows’ improper in this instance?

        Comment by hermie — October 2, 2016 @ 6:41 pm

        • Time to sum things up…
          http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/libcamps.shtml

          JR

          Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 3, 2016 @ 1:53 pm

        • Last time I checked Krema 4 use Hatches… Not windows…

          Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 2:18 pm

          • You wrote: “Last time I checked Krema 4 use Hatches… Not windows…”

            Who was it that said that Krema 4 used hatches? The Krema 4 building is no longer standing; it was burned down long ago.

            The following quote is from my website:
            Begin quote
            …. women who have just gone through the selection process. They are headed north, down one of the two north-south roads that lead to the Krema IV and Krema V gas chambers, and also to the Central Sauna where those who were selected for work will be disinfected and then have a shower. The Krema IV & V gas chambers, disguised as shower rooms, are just beyond the Sauna building.
            End quote

            http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Selection2.html

            Comment by furtherglory — October 3, 2016 @ 2:49 pm

            • Both Krema 4 & 5 used Hatches…

              Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 3:11 pm

              • What you are calling a hatch, I am calling a window. There were no openings on the roof.

                Comment by furtherglory — October 3, 2016 @ 3:19 pm

                • I never said there were any openings on the roof of Krema 4 or 5… I am only telling you they used Hatches.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 3, 2016 @ 3:23 pm


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