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October 8, 2016

What is the true story of Babi Yar?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, Uncategorized, World War II — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 9:39 am
The ravine where the Babi Yar massacre took place

Ravine where the famous Babi Yar massacre took place

Babi Yar is back in the news. The photo above is included in a news story, which you can read in full at

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/the-holocaust-of-the-bullets-babi-yar/

The following quote is from the news article:

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Each one had a name, each with a face, each with a story. The agonising story of Babi Yar, in which more than 33,000 Jews were murdered and thrown into a ravine outside Kiev, Ukraine, was revisited last week in ceremonies at the site to mark the 75th anniversary of the massacre.

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This photo has been claimed to show the children killed at Babi Yar

This photo has been claimed to show the children killed at Babi Yar

The photo above is a still shot, taken from a documentary film made by the Soviet Union when they liberated the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp. The Soviets used this photo in their false claims about Babi Yar.

The photo actually shows a few of the 611 children, who were left behind at Birkenau. The children greeted the liberators, holding out their arms to show their tattoos.

Notice that the boy in the front, in the photo above, is wearing a prison uniform which looks as though it would fit an adult. This same film clip was included in a film entitled “The Nazis: Nazi War Crimes,” produced by the Soviet Union. It was claimed that this film clip was shot by the Nazis just before these children were killed at Babi Yar, the ravine near Kiev in the Ukraine.

I previously wrote about this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2016/09/12/the-fourth-attempt-to-convict-hubert-zafke-of-war-crimes-committed-during-world-war-ii/

The following quote is also from news article cited above:

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For years, the Soviet Union demanded [claimed] that Babi Yar was effectively covered up and even today there is an insistence that those who died there were simply Ukrainian citizens — which they were — rather than having been killed because they were Jews.

For their part, many Ukrainian nationalists believe Soviet oppression was a direct result of the role played by Communist Jews.

One of the harshest critics of the direction of the proposed Holocaust Memorial Centre for the victims of Babi Yar is Vladimir Vyatrovich, director of Ukraine’s Institute for National Memory. He is angry that Ukrainian nationalists are painted primarily as collaborators with the Germans, and frequently cites a case of a member of the local policeman in Kiev who saved a Jewish boy and was himself shot by the Germans.

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11 Comments »

  1. The following info. regarding how the bodies of the alleged victims of the Babi Yar massacre vanished into thin-air comes from the pro-holocaust HEART website.

    This testimony was given at a Soviet Tribunal on 18 June 1947 by Paul Blobel, who was the leader of the Einsatzgruppen unit responsible for “destroying all traces of mass murder by the Nazis”.

    Quote;- “During my visit in August (1943) I myself witnessed the burning of corpses in a mass grave near Kiev. This grave was approximately 55 metres long, 3 m wide and 2.5 m deep. After the cover had been removed, the corpses were covered with flammable materials and set on fire. About two days passed before the fire had burned down to the bottom of the trench.”

    But one has to ask – is such a process of destroying corpses inside a mass grave even physically possible? A fire needs plenty of oxygen to circulate as well as fuel to burn effectively, but if there is a lack of the former, then regardless of how much fuel you apply then combustion will cease. Blobel seems to be claiming that the fire burnt from the top down because he only mentions that the “cover” of the mass grave was removed, and does not say that a sizeable trench around all four sides of the perimeter were dug out to enable enough oxygen to circulate right down to the foot of the grave.

    In addition, we are told the bodies had been lying in this mass grave since September 1941 – so what rotted, putrid state they were in after two hot summers and cold winters in the ground is anyone’s guess. Would corpses in this condition burn at all out in the open air? ( I would suggest that the only way to consume such human remains, would be to get hold of a crane equipped with a “grab” that could lift all the corpses out of the grave, and drop them into an adjacent specially built furnace, and then heat it up to a very high temperature by blowing sufficient air into the structure from below.

    And he doesn’t specify what the “flammable materials” were, or where his unit obtained these from ( keeping the story nice and vague, therefore, is always useful, because no one is able to question it, let alone seek any verification ).

    Blobel goes on say;-

    ” Afterwards the grave was filled in and all traces thereby virtually obliterated. Because of the advance of the front it was not possible to destroy the mass graves located in the South and East which had resulted from execution by the task groups.The corpses were cremated on funeral pyres, built on iron rails. Firewood was stacked, then the corpses were placed on this petrol soaked material. When the pyres had burned down, the special command of prisoners had to collect the remaining bones which were pulverized with tombstones from the Jewish cemetery. Finally the ashes were inspected in order to collect any remaining silver and gold.”

    So, he is saying that an urgent time factor restricted his units from destroying the other mass graves in the manner described above, but he then goes on to contradict himself by offering an extremely time-consuming process for their cremation and pulverization. He even claims they found enough time to search around for trinkets etc. But I leave everyone to make what they will of Blobel’s extraordinary claim that “tombstones” were deployed to pulverise the human remains! Now can you imagine a more laborious and cumbersome method for such a task as this – considering that time was of the essence?

    Comment by Talbot — October 9, 2016 @ 6:10 am

  2. There seems to be an alarming lack of human remains and credibility concerning Babi Yar, that sounds familiar. The reality is that it’s most likely nothing at all happened there as no evidence is put forward to prove anything.

    I watched a documentary on Channel 4 (UK) last night about the battle of Hastings in 1066. For those who don’t know it was shortly after the French Normans had landed on the south coast of England. English King Harold decided to muster a massive army of 7000 men to fight them off. The location was a hill just a few miles inland from hastings. The location now is marked by a large Abbey and the town just outside the abbey is called Battle. Problem is even though the English army was crushed and all 7000 men killed, so the story goes, on the claimed battle field there has never been any remains or battlefield relics found, none! Sounds like Babi Yar.

    It was researched (Battle) and two locations were decided to have been the location. In the end they found nothing at each and then having used Lidar to scan the topography they saw the obvious location could only have been on the ridge outside the current abbey location.

    What I’m saying is with the holohoax nothing is what is claimed and nothing adds up. They can investigate and research, they can dig and apply scientific process but they don’t, because they would be caught lying.

    Comment by Mr B — October 8, 2016 @ 11:39 pm

    • Funny thing about all this,it’s damn near impossible to convict without a body. Everything is mostly based on circumstional evidence. It’s not out of the realm of possibility . It’s just damn near impossible.

      Comment by Tim — October 18, 2016 @ 9:28 am

  3. Why did they hold out their arms,so the Reds could see their tatts? What does that have to do with anything. Did they wanna make sure the Ruskies knew they were prisoners,so they didn’t get shot?

    On the other hand,is it possible the Ruskies staged that shot? They might be nervous around the Reds. Well I’ve read before, that the Jews would split with the prison guards,if they knew the Reds were coming .

    Another thing. Those kids either just arrived at the prison,or were well fed at the prison. They don’t look to be in bad shape . I’ve only got that one picture to go by,so I can’t say that with a 100% certainty .

    Comment by Tim — October 8, 2016 @ 5:59 pm

  4. https://i.imgur.com/bGiUDov.jpg 6 million was predetermined

    Comment by Bill — October 8, 2016 @ 2:29 pm

  5. I interviewed him last February….unless it was his ghost….

    JR

    Comment by Jim Rizoli — October 8, 2016 @ 1:43 pm

  6. I put up a huge photo of the ravine, so that my readers, who are using phones to read my blog post and can test their phones. On a Samsung Android phone, the photo is scaled down so that you can view the whole photo in a much smaller size.

    Comment by furtherglory — October 8, 2016 @ 10:30 am

  7. Mark Weber: The best remembered case of shootings of Jews in the occupied territories, said Weber, was that of Babi Yar. Babi Yar was a ravine outside of Kiev in the Ukraine. The Einsatzgruppen reports themselves stated that on September 29 and 30, 1941, 33,000 Jews were shot and killed at Babi Yar. Weber did not believe this for several reasons. Firstly, given the general exaggerations of the Einsatzgruppen reports, it was reasonable to believe that this figure was likewise exaggerated. Secondly, Paul Blobel, who was the commandant of the unit which allegedly carried out the shootings, testified after the war that the figure could not have been more than 16,000. In his book Hitler’s War, historian David Irving quoted a Soviet major who had defected to the Germans complaining to his German superiors that a year after Babi Yar Kiev was again overrun with Jews. Gerald Reitlinger, in his book The Final Solution, reported that in August of 1946, 100,000 Jews were living in Kiev. Weber pointed out that this was before the major rush of Jews from areas of the Soviet Union which had remained under Soviet control back to the areas which had been occupied by the Germans. (23-5753, 5754)

    http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/20weber.html

    Comment by Diane King — October 8, 2016 @ 9:59 am


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