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October 25, 2016

The gassing of prisoners in Block 11 at Auschwitz

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — furtherglory @ 7:05 pm

I feel as if I am being put on trial.

Door into Block 11

Door into room 27 in Block 11 at Auschwitz

There is an argument going on, in the discussion section of my blog, regarding the alleged first gassing of prisoners in Block 11 in the Auschwitz main camp.

The following questions, about the alleged first gassing have been put to me:

  1. So what exactly about it is unbelievable?

2. Dirt being used as a cover for an internally barred window?

3. Seems like the bars after enough would build up could act as a block for the dirt.

4. The door not being air tight?

I am going to answer these questions with the following information:

Karl Fritzsch, the camp commander and the deputy of Rudolf Höss, allegedly took it upon himself to carry out this first gassing, while his superior officer, Rudolf Höss, was away. IOW, the commandant of the camp did not have permission to gas these prisoners.

In 1998, my private tour guide told me that the room, where the prisoners were gassed, was sealed by packing dirt into the concrete well around the window outside; then the prisoners were shoved inside. Zyklon-B crystals were thrown in through the door, and the door was quickly shut. I don’t think that a German person would put dirt down into a window well because it would have been very hard to clean it out.

The subjects of this first mass killing on September 3, 1941 were 600 Russian POWs and 250 sick prisoners. According to my tour guide, testing, that had been done in the previous months, had determined the right amount of Zyklon-B needed to kill a room full of people. There is no information on the names of the prisoners killed in the testing.

The exact date of the gassing is apparently unknown. In a book entitled “Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp,” edited by Israel Gutman and Michael Berenbaum, it was stated that the murder of 600 Soviet Prisoners of War and about 250 sick prisoners took place in Block 11 between September 3rd and September 5th.

The authors also quoted from a report by the prisoner underground which said that 600 Soviet prisoners and 200 Poles were gassed in Block 11 on the night of September 5th and 6th.

14 Comments »

  1. Ok FG… How did this answer my logistics question? From the reports I have access to it says the window was covered by a mound of dirt… You have obviously ignored the link I have provided as well cause two names are provided: Fritz Renner and Bruno Grosmann. A date as well is provided, “September 5, 1941”.

    It goes further to explain the following:

    “The doors of the cells are sealed, also the windows from inside. A prisoner work detail fills up the windows of the basement of Block 11 (outside) with soil.”

    If your argument is cleaning up the soil, then it’s as dirt poor as the method used to make the window ‘air tight’. Though just cause a method is bad doesn’t mean the event never happened. It would be like myself building a shed with a screw driver then you telling me that I never built it cause logically I would use a drill.

    But just to reiterate my argument so you can understand it. If you honestly think the Germans wouldn’t use soil because it would be dirty, then it’s honestly your argument which needs to be revised. A large mound of soil outside would easily block the window. To quote the Central Commission for investigation of German Crimes in Poland:

    “All of these methods used in killing were not enough to absorb all superfluous prisoners, and, above all, they could not resolve the problem of freeing themselves of hundreds of thousands of Jews. This method was tried out in the summer of 1941 in the coal- cellars of Block XI on about 250 patients from the hospital blocks and about 600 prisoners of war. After the victims had been put there, the windows of the cellars were covered with earth, and afterwards an SS man in a gas-mask poured the contents of a can of cyclon on the floor and locked the door. Next afternoon Palitzsch, wearing a gas-mask, opened the door and found that some of the prisoners were still alive. More cyclon was accordingly poured out, and the doors locked again, to be reopened next evening, when all the prisoners were dead.”

    As for Hoess he didn’t order this, as he was away from the camp. As described in his memoir:

    “While I was away on camp-related business, Captain Fritzsch, on his own initiative, employed a gas for the killing of these Russian POWs. He crammed the Russians Into the individual cells in the basement [of Block II] and while using gasmasks he threw the Cyclon B gas into the cells, thereby causing their immediate death.”

    I fail to see how this prevents the gassing though.

    I will most likely get the same bullshit from Tal about burden of proof but I can again provide the explanations which I have already done.

    1) The poles had they forced him to write it wouldn’t allow him to include the torture piece.

    2) If the allies forged the memoir they wouldn’t have included the torture ether. It would look as a blight against them. It makes no sense to add it.

    So again it’s his burden to prove it not mine.

    I would recommend you read the following:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/02/dr-joachim-neander-responds-to-carlo.html

    Comment by Denying-History — October 26, 2016 @ 8:09 am

    • Your reliance on these documents leads to a glaring contradiction between the testimonies.

      Quote:- ” Next afternoon Palitzsch, wearing a gas-mask, opened the door and found that some of the prisoners were still alive. More cyclon was accordingly poured out, and the doors locked again, to be reopened next evening, when all the prisoners were dead.”

      As for Hoess he didn’t order this, as he was away from the camp. As described in his memoir:

      “While I was away on camp-related business, Captain Fritzsch, on his own initiative, employed a gas for the killing of these Russian POWs. He crammed the Russians Into the individual cells in the basement [of Block II] and while using gasmasks he threw the Cyclon B gas into the cells, thereby causing their immediate death.”

      So, what are we supposed to make of this discrepancy: one account claims that some of the victims were still alive “next afternoon” and therefore more pellets had to be poured in !!; while Rudolf Hoess says that death was “immediate”.

      Do you not see, Den, why so many people are questioning this holocaust of yours, and are utterly sick and tired of having to read all these fabricated and contradictory statements?

      Comment by Talbot — October 26, 2016 @ 9:18 am

      • “Your reliance on these documents leads to a glaring contradiction between the testimonies. ”

        Lol Hoess wasn’t there, and I have yet to see any contradiction that he could account for.

        Comment by Denying-History — October 26, 2016 @ 9:19 am

      • You as well have yet to prove it again was an allied fabrication… The same quote ruins your belief.

        Comment by Denying-History — October 26, 2016 @ 9:20 am

  2. Pathetic, using dirt to seal the room, German engineers stooping so low as to use such crude methods, This gas needs at least 26c to release gas for it to work. Then it’s about 4 hours after before anyone could enter the area as it would still highly dangerous/toxic. The fact is; the ( logistics) to carry out such fantasy’s, with the ( claimed) resources at hand and time scales given plus numbers or anything like those numbers is pure fantasy, and an (IMPOSSIBILITY), The entire argument is NOT gas tight, Pun intended!!

    Comment by iceman22 — October 26, 2016 @ 12:43 am

    • Once again I’m not on either side here,but I’ll say the German military,”was not” stupid.

      That’s why when people start saying they killed 6 million people,I have a hard time with that. History said they couldn’t make up their mind how to kill people. Given the well oiled military machine Germany had,those 2 contradict each other.

      The Krauts knew how toxic that shit was they were using. Why would they come up with some half assed design for a gas house. I look at those things,and they don’t make sense.

      If they want an effective gas house,I’m sure they would’ve taken 2 things seriously. How well the place was sealed,and how well it was vented. I still find it laughable that they’d have someone sit on the roof and dump a can of that shit through the roof. That’s not a responsible way to handle a chemical that is that toxic. I don’t even think they were that careless with the boxcars they ran through the cleanup process back in the day,here in Texas,that came back from Mexico .

      Like I said,I’m not on either side here,but a lot of what your opposition claims,don’t quite make sense. Even if they did kill 6 mill Jews ( yes I have a hard time with a number that big. I can accept 800,000 plus with no question,but 6 mill),they would’ve made the buildings efficient and safe,and the procedure safe as hell for the operator.

      Comment by Tim — October 26, 2016 @ 7:09 am

    • Ice. That’s what I’ve been saying. These are the people that built the first stealth plane. The v2 rocket,and packing a window with dirt was the best idea they could come up with.

      Comment by Tim — October 26, 2016 @ 7:13 am

  3. Well one thing is for sure. The sources history wants to use,can never agree on any set of numbers. It’s like we’re back to 6,4 or 1.5 mill Jews murdered. I don’t blame people for arguing with the side that is for the holo. They have a hard time being factual,with shit that should be easy . Numbers and what groups of people that were killed,in this case.

    Comment by Tim — October 25, 2016 @ 7:46 pm

    • The explanation for the alleged gassing in Block 11 is even more insane than the T4 gassings at Hartheim Castle. At least there, the holohoaxers claim that there was a ventilation flue installed in the chamber that went through the window and allowed the gasses to escape into the atmosphere.

      But at Block 11 no ventilation system could exist, because the bright sparks in the SS had decided to fill the single window well with dirt ( and if you believe that – then you really are in need of remedial help as matter of some urgency! ). Therefore, the gas could not escape from the chamber, and only when the door was opened ( presumably by someone wearing a gas mask ) was the gas allowed to disperse very slowly and inefficiently.

      The only snag with this method of dispersal, was that it was internal, and thus residues of Zyklon B would seep and penetrate through the entire block, forcing much of the building to be evacuated.

      The only other way of ventilating the chamber would be an extremely laborious one, of digging out all the dirt from the window well first, opening the window itself, and just waiting patiently for the gas to disperse.

      In the meantime, all the dead bodies would be waiting for disposal – and even this task would require a team of sondercommandos traipsing through the block in order to carry the corpses out one-by-one and then taking them all the way to the morgue at Krema 1, which was inconveniently located at the very opposite end of the Auschwitz main camp.

      Comment by Talbot — October 26, 2016 @ 5:32 am

      • You wrote: “The only snag with this method of dispersal, was that it was internal, and thus residues of Zyklon B would seep and penetrate through the entire block, forcing much of the building to be evacuated.”

        Thanks a million for explaining this so well. I don’t have a scientific background, so I am not able to explain it as well as you did.

        Comment by furtherglory — October 26, 2016 @ 5:56 am

      • To air out the building it took something like two days… No one denies ventilation was poor. This still doesn’t explain the Cyanide traces found in the Kraków report.

        Comment by Denying-History — October 26, 2016 @ 8:14 am

    • 6.4 has only been said by a few scholars… But that’s the event as whole. As for 1.5 million, I don’t know any historians which state this number. I believe the smallest I have seen is 4.3 million Jews.

      Comment by Denying-History — October 26, 2016 @ 7:29 am

      • I heard 1.5 come out of someone at Auschwitz. I’m not saying those folks are right or wrong. They just can’t make up their mind. Yet the folks at the holo museum still go on barking about 6 million.

        Jeff always tells me to ignore the numbers. That’s a bit to do,when the Jews wanna cram them down everyone’s throats.

        We got “The Wall” in DC. I ain’t never been to it,cause I don’t wanna be reminded of the shit I went through,when I was in country. There’s an exact number on that wall. Civil war,WW1,WW2 and Korea,all have exact numbers. Why can’t they give exact numbers here.

        I never gave this subject a second thought. Once I started looking at how the numbers drastically change,that’s when I thought something was a bit hinkey. Now I see a bunch of other shit,that don’t make sense. Hell Ray Charles could even see it.

        Like I’ve said,I’m not on either side here,but there’s a ton of shit (from both sides),that don’t fly.

        Comment by Tim — October 26, 2016 @ 8:37 am

        • The museum used to say 1.5 million based on Hoess’s maximum statistic, but it’s been since revised to Hoess’s under 1.2 million number.

          As for Jeff’s subjection I think he means not to take any totals as only Jews. As for the numbers I can confirm that on a general estimate you will get the following roughly.

          2 to 3 million Jews in the camps.

          1.2 to 1.5 million killed by the Mobile death squads.

          800,000 for the Ghettos.

          150,000 for all the other camps.

          And around 15,000 + 25,000 in the Areas of Yugoslavia and Greece.

          So you will get a number most likely between 4.8 million to 5.5 million. Less of a gap then the numbers of the Holodomor, which range from 1.8 million to 10 millions.

          As for the wall, I personally don’t blame you. But as for an exact number, I can tell you no such number exist for the civil war.

          It’s believed the civil war claimed around 620,000 lives:

          https://www.phil.muni.cz/~vndrzl/amstudies/civilwar_stats.htm

          Some people say it was 20% higher then this. Over 750,000 people.

          http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/civil-war-toll-up-by-20-percent-in-new-estimate.html?_r=0

          As for no exact record it’s an issue of statistics and how one does the math. Do we base the death toll odd population statistics or off individual camps. Or work a median from other historians estimates. That’s why it’s so hard.

          Comment by Denying-History — October 26, 2016 @ 8:53 am


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