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October 27, 2016

The gas chambers at the Majdanek camp

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 8:45 am
Gas chamber buildig at Majdonik

My 1998 photo of the alleged homicidal gas chamber building at Majdanek

There were two gas chamber buildings at the Majdanek concentration camp in Poland; one of these buildings had gas chambers for killing Jews, and the other identical building had gas chambers for killing lice.  This was a terrible insult to the Jews, to have been treated no differently than lice were treated.

The homicidal gas chamber for Jews at Majdanek was located only a few feet from a major highway that goes through Poland. A person driving by could have thrown a rock and hit the back side of the homicidal gas chamber.

Why would the Nazis have gassed Jews within plain site of the whole world? The Nazis thought that they would win the war and that they would rule the world, after all the Jews had been killed. They weren’t worried about any accusations of having used homicidal gas chambers.

Inside of gas chamber has heavy blue stains cause by the use of Zyklon-B

Inside of Majdanek gas chamber has heavy blue stains cause by the use of Zyklon-B

Back door of gas chamber at Majdanek

Back door of gas chamber at Majdanek

In the photo above, note the peephole which is also shown in the photo just above it.

Carlo Mottogno, the world’s most famous writer of Holocaust history, wrote the following:

Begin quote

It was in August of 1944 that a Polish-Soviet investigation committee announced the existence of homicidal gas chambers in the Lublin concentration camp known as “Majdanek“. The Polish historians who were responsible for giving credence to ‘findings’ of that committee were confronted with some highly perplexing difficulties; for one thing, the gas chambers which are mentioned in the remaining documentation of the Central Construction Administration of the Majdanek concentration camp are invariably designated as “Delousing Chambers” or “Disinfestation Chambers“, and secondly, for all practical purposes, there are no eyewitness reports of human beings being homicidally gassed. Polish historiography ‘solved’ the first problem by presupposing the use of ‘camouflage’ language, which means that documents referring to delousing and disinfestation were said to be referring to homicidal gassings of human beings. Deliveries of Zyklon to the camp were interpreted in the same way.

End quote

Why are tourists not allowed to even get near the other gas chamber at Majdanek — the one for killing lice? I believe that we are not allowed to even peek in the windows of this building because it is identical to the alleged homicidal gas chamber, except that it has no showers for the prisoners.

Upon entering Barrack No. 41, which is the gas chamber building, you first come to the bare, unfurnished undressing room which has narrow wooden boards over the concrete floor. Then you enter the shower room, a large room with rows of exposed water pipes and sprinkler-type shower heads on the ceiling; this room also has a wooden floor over concrete. At one end of the shower room, there are two large concrete bathtubs.

My tour guide explained to me that the prisoners were not allowed to loll in the bathtub, but had to get in and out within a few seconds. The bathtubs were probably filled with disinfectant, as was the case at other camps such as Buchenwald.

This shower room was also used by incoming prisoners who were selected to work at Majdanek, which was a labor camp as well as an alleged extermination camp for the Jews.

The door into the three gas chambers in Barrack Number 41 is located in the shower room. When I visited in 1998, a sign in the shower room said that the prisoners were given a shower before gassing to “quite (sic) them down.”

My tour guide explained that the victims were given a hot shower so they would die more quickly in the gas chamber because the Nazis found that the heat of the bodies caused the gas to work faster. Zyklon-B comes in crystal form, like tiny ice-blue rocks, and the pellets must be heated before they release the poison gas which kills lice or people.

The Majdanek gas chamber building had a heating unit outside the chambers which blew hot air into the chamber to activate the poison gas, so a hot shower, before the victims entered the gas chamber, was not really necessary.

At Majdanek, there is a total of four gas chambers, according to the Museum guidebook, which says that the gas chamber right next to the shower room was “a makeshift chamber which presumably had begun functioning before the other three were opened.” The fourth gas chamber, which is disguised as a shower room, is in the reconstructed crematorium.

 

56 Comments »

  1. Comment by hermie — October 29, 2016 @ 8:56 am

  2. Looks to me like a fumigation chamber i.e (gas chamber)…..with heater on the side.

    JR

    Comment by jrizoli — October 27, 2016 @ 10:50 am

    • You wrote: “Looks to me like a fumigation chamber i.e (gas chamber)…..with heater on the side.”

      I asked a friend of mine what he thought was the purpose of the pipe going into the room. He said it was a pipe to blow hot air into the room. Hot air would have been needed to release the gas fumes from the pellets.

      This doesn’t prove that this was a homicidal gas chamber. It could have been a room where lice in the clothing was killed.

      Comment by furtherglory — October 27, 2016 @ 11:31 am

    • Looks like a building made out of bricks and plaster… The heater on the side was not always there. The pipes were used for moving CO into these chambers.

      Only the large chamber was used for Delousing cloths.

      Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 12:10 pm

  3. CO has no industrial use… These buildings may have been constructed originally as disinfection cambers but in the end were turned for the use of homicide. Specifically the chambers located inside the bunker.

    Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 10:01 am

    • No one knows what you are talking about. What is “CO”?

      You wrote: “These buildings”. What buildings? Where?

      You wrote: “the chambers located inside the bunker.” What bunker? Where?

      No one has time to go back and read several previous comments in order to figure out what you are talking about.

      Comment by furtherglory — October 27, 2016 @ 10:08 am

      • FG… CO = Carbon Monocide…

        One Carbon one Oxygen

        As I specify after its the two chambers in the Bunker… You know what the bunker is, right?

        This building is the bunker.

        Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 10:11 am

        • There was no CO at Majdanek – only CO2, which is of use in slowing the rate of decay of dead bodies, among other things.

          CO has many industrial uses including as a fuel, but there may have been no such use at Majdanek. CO was produced aplenty at Monowitz and used there, but there are no reports of its use for killing people (at which it is quite effective).

          Comment by Jett Rucker — October 27, 2016 @ 10:29 am

          • Those are not the canisters found the Soviet’s. If it was then Mattogno wouldn’t have to site a 2nd hand source as evidence for his claims, he would have quotes a primary source for such.

            CO though has no industrial use in the means of Delousing so don’t even try the whole “fuel” claims. It’s complete bullshit for these bottles.

            Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 10:32 am

          • CO bottled has no Industrial use compared to CO2 something Eric Hunt notes in his Majdanek film.

            As Pressac has stated in his review of the leuchter report:

            “There cannot be the slightest doubt that this installation served criminal purposes, since carbon monoxide is, of course, deadly to warm-blooded animals, including human beings, but it is totally useless in fighting lice.”

            Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 10:55 am

            • Those CO2 bottles were not used in mass killings, just find out how many bottles were left over in the camps….
              They were brought in (planted) to make it look like they were used for mass killings to fit the latest HoloHoax lie….
              I’m sure you can figure out how much co2 would be needed to kill people and see if the canisters in the camp added up to that usage.
              For the record….The main use for co2 is for dry ice, and refrigeration, fire extinguishers, and medical uses as it promotes exhalation.
              I can’t see it having a use there in the camp unless they used it for extinguishing fires, carbonation for drinks, or for cooling inside (dry ice) refrigerators.
              Nothing about killing people or it’s ability to kill people on a large scale. Believe it or not it high concentrations can be used to kill pests, and it has been used to kill PETS. Bottom line co2 has many uses….

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — October 27, 2016 @ 11:18 am

              • Those CO2 bottles were not even found in the camp. They were never found by the Soviet’s and were most likely placed there by the museum staff. The Engravings of the CO bottles do no match the engravings on the one found by the Soviet’s. They match the engravings from the T4 Bottles.

                The bottles found by the Soviet’s said the following:

                “Kohlenoxid. Bei 150 Atmosphären abgefüllt 8.7.42. Zenerwajn und Brenen. Berlin B.9. Getestet bei 225 Atmosphären. Leergewicht 75,8 kg. Volumen 40,6 Liter.”

                “”Kohlenstoff bildet mit Sauerstoff folgende Verbindungen:

                1. CO, Kohlenmonoxyd oder Kohlenoxyd,

                2. CO2, Kohlendioxyd oder Kohlensäureanhydrid”

                Kohlenoxyd = Carbon MONOXIDE

                (Lehrbuch der pharmazeutischen Chemie: Anorganischer Teil, 1933, p. 489)

                Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 11:26 am

                • *the engravings on the CO2 bottles do not match the engravings on the ones found by the Soviet’s.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 11:27 am

            • One of the things co2 was used in was killing pests…….I would think that includes lice.

              JR

              Comment by jrizoli — October 27, 2016 @ 11:22 am

              • Co2 was never found in the camp.

                Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 11:28 am

          • As for CO being produced at Monowitz, do you have a source? Cause last time I checked it was in the business of IG Farben and the creation of Buna rubber.

            Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 10:58 am

        • You wrote [regarding a photo] “You know what the bunker is, right. This building is the bunker.”

          I have this same photo on my website, where I have identified it as the back door to the gas chamber at Majdanek. I got this photo from a guidebook which I purchased at the Majdanek memorial site. In the guidebook, this was identified as the back door of the gas chamber.

          https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/the-original-guidebook-for-the-majdanek-camp-published-in-1986/

          Comment by furtherglory — October 27, 2016 @ 10:40 am

          • That is the front of the bunker, right as the exit of B&D 1. You can see the SS cabin.

            This is the back of the bunker.

            Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 10:44 am

            • You wrote: “This is the front of the bunker, right as the exit of B&D 1. You can see the SS cabin.”

              This is a very fuzzy photo. I have a better photo on the blog post that I put up today.

              I don’t know what you mean by B&D 1, nor what you mean by “the SS cabin.” I believe that this is the back of the building which was used for fumigating the clothing to get rid of the lice that spread typhus.

              Comment by furtherglory — October 27, 2016 @ 11:45 am

              • Alright here is Tregenzas map of Majdaneks B&D system, though it needs to be corrected.

                The building on the right is Bath and Disinfection 1 (men’s) the building on the left is Bath and Disinfection 2 (woman’s).

                The error in this map though is he has the stove moved to the very southern end when it was really moved to the final room in the north of Bath and disinfection 1.

                The Homicial gas chambers are chamber A, B1, & B2 according to the USHMM unless they identify chamber C as homicidal.

                The current museum belief is that the chambers used were A and B1.

                Chamber A the one you show in the blog post was used only for CO gassings, though two methods for inserting Zyklon-B exist. Though according to Kranz these methods wouldn’t have worked out.

                Chamber B2 was revised out because it was not completed. B1 was though and contained a Vent in the roof which according to Kranz was used to drop Zyklon into the chamber, and pipes for Carbon monoxide to enter.

                Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 12:04 pm

                • I note that the top plan claims the CO pipes were only added to these alleged 3 gas chambers after the war was over – is that correct ?

                  And can anyone verify that there was an “SS booth” where the cylinders are supposed to have stood and been operated from. Because, again, according to the first plan, a sizeable post war addition to the structure has completely enveloped this “booth” – so does it still exist today ?

                  Majdanek was under the command of Otto Globocnik, who was also in charge of the 3 Rheinhardt camps. Therefore, I find it rather strange that these places were allegedly killing the victims quite efficiently by CO gas generated from vehicle exhaust fumes, but at Majdanek he chose a different method, whereby cylinders of CO gas had to be ordered and delivered to the camp from somewhere else, and then the empty cylinders taken back for re-filling.

                  I’m afraid the story is very unconvincing – and I for one don’t believe any homicidal gassings were taking place at Majdanek.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 27, 2016 @ 3:38 pm

                • You wrote: “can anyone verify that there was an “SS booth” where the cylinders are supposed to have stood and been operated from. Because, again, according to the first plan, a sizeable post war addition to the structure has completely enveloped this “booth” – so does it still exist today ?”

                  I blogged about the Majdanek camp at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/29/selections-for-the-gas-chamber-at-the-majdanek-death-camp/

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 27, 2016 @ 3:59 pm

                • Tal… Look at the maps provided. Only two rooms are equipped for CO gassings.

                  “And can anyone verify that there was an “SS booth” where the cylinders are supposed to have stood and been operated from.”

                  Yeah… It’s called the SS cabin, but this aside not a single person has denied its existence. Not even Mattogno or Graf, though Irving claims the bunker was an air raid shelter. It’s quite funny considering how moronic this claim actually is. It show a lack of knowledge about the bunker in general, which Mattogno argues was constructed as a disinfection instillation.

                  The SS cabin is still there. You can see it in google maps as well.

                  “Therefore, I find it rather strange that these places were allegedly killing the victims quite efficiently by CO gas generated from vehicle exhaust fumes”

                  They learned form the T4 gassing program which used CO bottles. They also adopted Zyklon as a gassing method after tests at Belzec. The chamber was temporary, and it’s not shocking ether considering that CO isn’t just an exhaust gas.

                  “I’m afraid the story is very unconvincing – and I for one don’t believe any homicidal gassings were taking place at Majdanek.”

                  That’s cause you are an ideolog like Jim. Your not going to believe anything you don’t like. Ether way the disinfection story for CO2 would apply the same circulation gas bottles…

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 4:51 pm

                • The only people I have seen making the post war argument is Cole and Irving. All the liberation photographs I have seen clearly show existing pipes. Mattogno believes these pipes both A existed during the war and B) were used for disinfection.

                  Here is a liberation still.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 5:09 pm

                • I see now what you claim is the “SS booth” – it forms part of the original structure. Is that where the Soviets claim they found these cylinders? And why did they remove them, and later replace them with carbon-dioxide cylinders. Hmm – very odd. And the Germans were certainly negligent in the extreme to leave incriminating gas cylinders “in situ” waiting for the Soviets to discover them with consummate ease.

                  I wonder if visitors today can gain access to look inside this mysterious booth ?

                  Comment by Talbot — October 27, 2016 @ 3:58 pm

                • The Soviet’s didn’t find any cylinders inside the room at the time of liberation. The Mattogno story goes the Soviet’s found 5 cylinders and placed two inside the room after liberation. His source is a secondary, and I have been looking for it but no luck. Pressac claims the same, but provides no source. Based on the engravings found by the Soviet’s the 5 bottles are not the ones inside the booth today.

                  As for replacing them, the Germans were using Zyklon and steam for this. I see no reason to use CO2 if you have steam chambers in B&D 2 and both chamber A and C for disinfection as well two in the interfiled I see no reason or need to do so.

                  Now you might again claim the Soviet’s made up the inscription, but again there is no way they could have know the producer of the T4 bottles.

                  As for visitors nothing stops you from entering that room.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 5:03 pm

                • If the idea for gassing the Jews in Eastern Poland with CO cylinders came from the earlier T4 enterprise, then why did only Majdanek use the system, while the Rheinhardt camps rejected this proven industrial method of mass killing, and reverted to a very primitive – almost ramshackle – system of vehicle engine exhaust instead.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 27, 2016 @ 5:35 pm

                • Another resource is the Holocaust encyclopedia which says on page 231:

                  “Mass murder there was inaugurated on 17 March. Carbon monoxide gas was delivered in metal canisters and injected into the chambers through hoses. In a later test a 250-horsepower diesel engine [actually was petrol] was installed to produce the gas and pump it into the chambers. From then on, the use of canisters was discontinued.”

                  Bottled CO was also dropped due to shipping issues. Which wasn’t much of a problem for Majdanek as gassing were not very common. Only between 12 to 15 thousand people were gassed between September 1942 and September 1943z

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 6:00 pm

                • Just more HoloHoax nonsense!

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 27, 2016 @ 6:07 pm

                • Jim how about you instead of just making statements and looking like an idiot, you actually try and refute what has been posted.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 6:09 pm

                • How do you refute something that didn’t happen?

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 27, 2016 @ 6:14 pm

                • Ah, so it never happened Jim? What is your evidence then? What were the 5 CO bottles found by the Soviet’s used for? No trucks in the camp used CO as a fuel. I don’t know, maybe it went through the piping as the Germans admitted to.

                  And that chimney I guess Pressac was right, obviously used for venting the chamber despite people admitting that Zyklon was used.

                  SM at skeptic made a list of confessions. I will see if I can find it.

                  It’s still your job to explain the Soviet’s findings:

                  “Samples of the gas taken from the containers were tested for carbon monoxide with the aid of reactions to iodinc pentoxide and palladious chloride indicator paper. In all, sixteen tests were made with iodine pentoxide and ten were made with palladious chloride indicator paper. All the tests made with the aforesaid reagents gave positive reactions to carbon monoxide.”
                  (communique, p.14)

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 6:24 pm

                • Nonsense!

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 27, 2016 @ 6:28 pm

                • Jim again just saying something is nonsense without explaining why.

                  The only nonsense is his pathetic attempt at a retort. Which he cannot do himself, this is what happens when your arguments are not based on sources and logic. If Jim read Mattognos Majdanek book, he could possibly make a case. But we all know if he does that he will only quote long excerpts from it cause he’s a coward.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 6:30 pm

                • So the Soviets found just five CO cylinders somewhere in the Majdanek camp, and decided that between 12 and 15,000 people had been gassed there by carbon monoxide poisoning. But before anyone can accept that proposition, then we’ve got to find out how many cylinders were actually delivered to the camp in the first place, where they were manufactured and sent from, and what happened to these cylinders when they were empty.

                  Then we need some kind of technical description as to how the CO gas flowed freely through the piping and into the chambers – because you can’t just turn the spigot on at the head of the cylinder, and hope for the best, because you need a regulatory system of pumps and valves to propel the gas through.

                  Lastly, it would be handy to be supplied with a lengthy list of names of just some ( but not all) of those 12 to 15,000 alleged gassing victims.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 27, 2016 @ 7:24 pm

                • No… I never said the Soviet’s figures were 12 to 15 thousand… That’s where the number lies most likely based on the modern 78,000 figure. This is rather clear Tal.

                  As for finding out how many… That’s not happening cause the Germans destroyed records. They destroyed a sizable portion of the documents of Majdanek. This was common practice and shows the Germans had things to hide.

                  You argue that it “flowed freelyl but this is down right idiotic. It’s a Gas bottle and would obviously be pressurized to create airflow. Sort of like a air freshener or spray paint works.

                  Though please mind the 12 to 15 thousand gassed figure is worked out via the deduction of other murder methods.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 7:31 pm

                • The explanation that DH gave is ridiculous!
                  Show how it all worked……you can’t.
                  Just another smoke screen to cover up the lies.

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 27, 2016 @ 7:51 pm

                • Den writes;- ” No… I never said the Soviet’s figures were 12 to 15 thousand… That’s where the number lies most likely based on the modern 78,000 figure. ”

                  So the figure you produced can only at best be described as “most likely”. That’s nice and vague! And its only “based on the modern 78,000 figure”. You mean the figures are flexible through time – old fashioned estimates are simply abandoned, and new ones are created to fit the narrative.

                  Den continues;- “As for finding out how many… That’s not happening cause the Germans destroyed records. They destroyed a sizable portion of the documents of Majdanek. This was common practice and shows the Germans had things to hide.”

                  How convenient for the holocausters – when asked for details and names of people allegedly gassed, they wring their hands sorrowfully and say with utter sincerity ” the Germans destroyed the records”. But if that be the case, then what the holocausters are claiming cannot be verified, and thus is pure assertion and not definitive proof.

                  And if it was common practise for the Germans to hide things, then why on earth did they not hide the carbon monoxide cylinders?

                  Den goes on to say;- ” You argue that it “flowed freely but this is down right idiotic. It’s a Gas bottle and would obviously be pressurized to create airflow. Sort of like a air freshener or spray paint works.”

                  No, its not idiotic – the plans that you produced above show long lengths of piping that the gas had to flow through to reach the chambers. There is nowhere near enough pressure in those cylinders to propel the gas through those pipes – even if they had a wide diameter. A physical phenomenon called “backpressure” would come into play and restrict ( and possibly halt ) the flow of gas.

                  It is very telling that you can’t give even a dozen names of people who were allegedly gassed in those chambers at Majdanek.

                  Comment by Talbot — October 27, 2016 @ 7:59 pm

                • It’s not really vague, it’s just those are the numbers produced.

                  12 thousand from Graf and 15 thousands from SM. So it’s again between 12 to 15 thousand.

                  I never argued that figures were flexible through out time ether, this is only your addition. Of words into my mouth. The point is that older estimates are generally rather high based on mortality rates. These generally conflated the death toll. Also the creation of a new death toll again doesn’t mean a new narrative… It’s a revision to an old narrative.

                  “How convenient for the holocausters – when asked for details and names of people allegedly gassed, they wring their hands sorrowfully and say with utter sincerity ” the Germans destroyed the records””

                  Bullshit Tal, this is completely unrelated to what I have responded to so stop creating false leads.

                  I stated that no documents for the orders of these bottles exists, only the confessions and what was found by the Soviet’s. Large amounts of the camps records were destroyed via a fire the Germans themselves started.

                  The verification exists from confessions at trials and a 1943 OPUS report.

                  “And if it was common practise for the Germans to hide things, then why on earth did they not hide the carbon monoxide cylinders? ”

                  Perhaps they didn’t have enough time… It’s not a similar situation resource wise compared to action Reinhardt. The Soviet’s were approaching and the Germans were working on the transferring of prisoners for the late 1944 period. It’s sort of the same reason the bunker was not demolitioned like at Birkinau.

                  “No, its not idiotic ”

                  Yes it is cause the bottles were obviously pressurized. The pressure will cause the gas to push through the pipes and right into the chamber. There is only one route for the gas to follow.

                  And “backpressure” would again need to be an established issue.

                  As for victims names, for Majdanek I have no such access. Not having name though is pointless compared to the resources found on site.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 8:22 pm

                • DH…How about anyone who was gassed anywhere.
                  All ghost people…..

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 27, 2016 @ 8:29 pm

              • As for these rooms being used to disinfect clothing, this was only after the gassing program ended in September of 1943 form what I am aware. Chamber A was used for such according to Cipora Horowitz. She arrived after the gassing program though.

                Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 12:09 pm

                • You wrote: “As for these rooms being used to disinfect clothing, this was only after the gassing program ended in September of 1943 form what I am aware.”

                  I went to Majdanek only once — in 1998; this was probably before you were born. I cannot remember everything exactly.However, the drawing of the layout of the gas chamber building is correct, as far as I remember.

                  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek02.html

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 27, 2016 @ 12:23 pm

                • Unreasonable to think that the gassing s would end and then the fumigation program would begin???
                  Why? So now they are using the rooms to actually save lives.
                  Complete nonsense!

                  JR

                  Comment by jrizoli — October 27, 2016 @ 12:28 pm

                • Jim… I never said it was unreasonable. Read my damn comments for once.

                  The large chamber in the bunker was used for disinfection of clothing with Zyklon-B I see no reason for them to bring in Carbon Dioxide.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 6:28 pm

                • No, I was born before that I would have been about 4 to 6 years old.

                  As for the building layout, it’s sort of right. It’s a bit off, and Bath and Disinfection 2 isn’t really filled out.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 12:46 pm

                • You wrote: “I was born before that I would have been about 4 to 6 years old.” Now I recall that you told me this before.

                  Comment by furtherglory — October 27, 2016 @ 12:58 pm

                • Yeah, I’m in my early twenties. It’s sadly limiting.

                  Comment by Denying-History — October 27, 2016 @ 4:40 pm


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